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Very interesting. There may be some truth to this. If it is true that these ideas were articulated in a "Hebrew sense," don't put down people for understanding the world in a Greek way. I don't think a Hebrew linguistic understanding has any sort of a monopoly on truth any more than any other type of culture or language. Explain it to people in their language. I can't see the world in a "Hebrew way." There's nothing wrong with that. The gospel needs to be rearticulated in a way which western people understand. Don't blame them for their wealth or their pride or their culture for not getting you when you can't explain it in their language.

He made a response and it was kinda embarrassing when he exposed your terrible logic.

LOVED this discussion - encore! More philosophical questions between you two!!

These two seem like lovers.

Great discussion guys. Thank you for sharing. You know when you were mentioning the parsing of language it made me think how the languages were confounded at the Tower of Babel. We are at a similar hinge point in our society where we can’t even converse with each other because of the way language has been co-opted and twisted to distort and confuse the original meaning. We need to “tune-in” to the Spirit and “tune out” the noise of this world.

The language conversation is relevant in our day about gender. People who use gendered languages are not as quick to embrace the transgender idiology because theres an order of all things and you cannot just change the gender of a thing and still mean the same thing.

My goodness this analysis. Facepalm.

Thank you Thank you and greetings from Norway ❤

I respectfully disagree, and this comment is for those who feel the same. By giving Trump a pass on character and rhetoric and his support (if not, incitement) of January 6th, we’re left without a good choice that can represent both Christian virtue and policies. You are like Gideon letting King Noah go unpunished. Trump, like King Noah, sees the presidency simply as a way out for his own crimes and is appealing to larger threats and fears. Trump wants to be a dictator (words from his own mouth) and never conceded a fair loss in 2020. Let someone else represent the policies you support! Trump needs to lose again so a good conservative movement can return. I grew up believing that if there is “anything good, virtuous, or of good report or praiseworthy we seek after these things.” Trump is not that. The Democrats may not be that either, but the slide into justification and hypocrisy will not stop until good people draw a line in the sand.

Regardless of government restriction, pretty much everyone got Covid-19.

Anytime anyone acts in a way immoral their example hurts and effects others. Everytime. We live with other people. There is no such thing that people's actions don't effect others.

The Russian language existed for centuries before communism and changed very little afterward. The Soviets did have personal property. Using these “facts” as a strawman to shoe horn the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis of linguistic relativism into whatever point you are making is entirely ridiculous.

Jonah needs to stay on this channel.

This presentation goes directly against George Washington's warning of two political parties...then modern day, vote for the lessor of two evils....we should vote for the best candidate, period!!!

This is a fascinating conversation.

The Soviets did have personal property. That is ridiculous.

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53:53 we find this in the sacrament prayers as well. “… that they are *willing* to take upon them the name of thy Son…” We take the sacrament to ritualistically show the Father that we *want* to be perfected in Christ, that we are *willing* to become celestial beings. And even though we have, and do, and will continue to mess up, we take it weekly to demonstrate where our desire ultimately lies, to show that our desire to become celestial is still there.

Hello. I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending any acknowledgment as to the reality of any particular god until sufficient credible evidence is presented. My position is that *_I currently have no good reason to acknowledge the reality of any god._* And here is why I currently hold to such a position. Below are 11 facts I must consider when evaluating the claim made by certain theists that a particular god exists in reality. To be clear, these are not premises for any argument which _concludes_ there to be no gods. These are simply facts I must take into account when evaluating the verity of such a claim. If any of the following facts were to be contravened at a later time by evidence, experience, or sound argument, I would THEN have good reason to acknowledge such a reality. 1. I have never been presented with a functional definition of a god. 2. I personally have never observed a god. 3. I have never encountered any person who has claimed to have observed a god. 4. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity. 5. I have never been presented with any _valid_ logical argument, which also introduced demonstrably true premises that lead deductively to an inevitable conclusion that a god(s) exists in reality. 6. Of the many logical syllogisms I have examined arguing for the reality of a god(s), I have found all to contain a formal or informal logical fallacy or a premise that can not be demonstrated to be true. 7. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon. 8. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered _vice versa._ 9. I have never knowingly experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event. 10. Every phenomenon that I have ever observed appears to have *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity. 11. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have been presented have either been refuted to my satisfaction or do not present as _falsifiable._ ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the reality of any particular god. I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding such acknowledgment until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstantiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._* I welcome any cordial response. Peace.

Great discussion. Thanks!

A person who has committed a great sin who despises it is closer to heaven than the person with no sin who justifies it.

Fanatism.

Cameron is just concerned in winning, and in not what's right

Don’t know if I’m the only one, but Jacob looks very Jewish to me. To the point I keep accidentally seeing a yamaka on his head on thumbnails. Maybe because he reminds me of Ben Shapiro…

What is the difference between that and you murder man and women who walked this earth today. Are you crying about the people you kill upon the earth now. The people who are starving in Africa and other countries. Why are you not speaking against that.

Need this new book Jonah

Applying Occam's Razor here: In 2018 President Nelson announced a Temple to be built in Russia. Now what do we have for those plans? Trump never made the case that he was running as a Priest but as a President. The fact that people judge with their feelings rather than being simply being rational, is irritating. I am amazed at how easily people get bought on a song and a dance. You might as well dump the 89th section of the D&C and juice yourself up and make the same type of irrational decisions. Anyone remotely familiar with the personalities of the Messiah or with Captain Moroni...Had these individuals roamed the nation in these modern times under different names, they would have been labeled no different than what the demented liberal media complex, or a measurable number of the 23% of the LDS church, would consider "fascist, racist,...blah...blah...blah...even 'mean' ".

"There's no salvation between the two lids of the Bible without a legal administrator." - Joseph Smith

Something a lot of Christians don't get as well. To the mainstream Christian, with a very Greek mentality, what matters is what you believe in your mind. That's why there are 30k denominations divided by various minor differences in beliefs and why church websites will put a statement of faith listing their core beliefs front and center. Whereas, for Jews, what matters is what you do. That's why Jewish "denominations" are relatively few and the main difference is the degree of observance and rigor in practice, or otherwise some cultural distinction between European and Middle Eastern and Spanish and African and Asian Jews, etc. There's another fundamental difference in that Christians have it in their heads that the goal of Judaism is to get saved and that Jews think that if they follow the law to the letter, then they'll get to Heaven. But that's not a Hebrew mindset at all. The Hebrew mindset is that God said to do these things, so you do them, and when you do them, you find that your life improves and society as a whole improves, which reinforces the idea of continuing to do these things.

Greek thinking is the square and Hebrew thinking is the compass

Very well said.

Spot on that Pres Trump’s brashness is what made foreign adversaries think twice. Also many of these other Nations respect tough power and Pres Trump not only knows this, but portrays it.

When it comes down to it Baptism is really another analogy for death and resurrection. Even the word Baptism is derived from the Greek word that means to sink, as in a sunken ship (i.e. a symbol of death!). That is if I'm remembering correctly. If I'm wrong please correct me. But if I'm right that means even the Greeks had some understanding of it, right?

POV: Watching two grown men who've been fed a steady diet of seminary, Sunday school, missionary, temple marriage, church leadership, and unchallenged online apophenia hysteresis flavored milk finally nibble on a chicken nugget meat from 'Philosophy 101' and think they've said profound and deep things. Yet they're still comfortably in their echo chamber. It's like watching kids play with estes rocket and compare it to a Raptor 4 engine on Starship and thinking, "our is going to make it to mars". Lol. Ok. Maybe Kolob.

This was fantastic! One of the best I've ever seen. Thank you to you both so very much. God bless!

I love ward radio and all the other good podcasts. I enjoy the humor, the insights, the fun banter, but I'm tired of being called a stuffy boomer because of when I was born, or any of the other boomer rhetoric. Not all of us are what you call stuffy or other boomer rhetoric. Cardon please stop you are losing a lot of us baby boomers because of you and your rhetoric. It's not my fault I was a baby boomer, it's not my fault in how I was raised. As long as I follow the gospel to the best of my abilities I shouldn't be called names by you. Your the only one I hear this from. Please be kind to the people who don't identify with your rhetoric.Touch and hold a clip to pin it. Unpinned clips will be deleted after 1 hour.I love ward radio and all the other good podcasts. I enjoy the humor, the insights, the fun banter, but I'm tired of being called a stuffy boomer because of when I was born, or any of the other boomer rhetoric. Not all of us are what you call stuffy or other boomer rhetoric. Cardon please stop you are losing a lot of us baby boomers because of you and your rhetoric. It's not my fault I was a baby boomer, it's not my fault in how I was raised. As long as I follow the gospel to the best of my abilities I shouldn't be called names by you. Your the only one I hear this from. Please be kind to the people who don't identify with your rhetoric.

Ethomorph. I'm going to start using that word on a regular basis! It is an excellent word. Let me know if I need to pay any more for each use than you paid per click for the Book of Mormon advertisements in Africa. 😂

One of your best videos!! 🙌

This is a great rundown of some really critical issues. Nice work.

I love this. Entropic spaces are the places where gods go to be tested and tried.

Great discussion; this is something I’ve been thinking about lately. I work in the computer science industry as an engineer. One thing that drives us forward in computer science is language. We build simpler languages on top of more complex ones. As a result, we can now use highly complex functions neatly packaged in simpler models. I feel language itself is similar. As we’ve progressed, we’ve created simpler language to express complex thoughts and meanings, enabling us to traverse and advance conversations on any topic exponentially. I have a theory that intelligence, to some extent, is directly correlated with language. Having a broader vocabulary allows us to explore more complex concepts in discussion and thought because each word encapsulates a wealth of meaning. Or, at the very least, it helps us access that intelligence. To relate this to our current conversation, our knowledge and understanding are shaped by layers of language developed within our culture over thousands of years, and this varies between cultures. So, I completely agree that if you try to view Hebrew thought through a Western lens, you may not fully grasp their writings or beliefs. To truly understand, you need to explore their linguistic models to uncover the thought processes behind the words-much like in computer science. This is why I appreciate the work of Dave Butler, Mike Day, and Jonah Barnes. This is exactly what they are doing, and it has only strengthened my belief that the LDS faith has tapped into something ancient.

The real cultural revolution that allowed gender ideology to seep in was the changing of language, specifically the separation of sex and gender into different categories. I can remember a time when those two words were synonymous. What gender ideology did was it left sex as this static, largely unchangeable thing, but took the word gender and changed it to be something fluid than you can define however you like. If they hadn't done that, then gender ideology would be impossible to explain and be taken seriously.

Professional musician here. It made me legitimately excited when you brought up tonal ambiguity. 😂 Cool to know you are a musician!

The mental gymnastics team.😂. If you say it was translated from Golden Plates but there aren't any plates and then later have to admit he really put a rock in a hat........ Same rock he was using during his treasure digging scam? Native Americans are not Jewish.😂 You guys tell everybody else in the world that their religion is wrong and yours is right. So pompous and arrogant. Only people who were indoctrinated as children can think this way. Asserting truth isn't evidence of Truth.

Mind blown. 🤯 I stopped cleaning to sit and ponder this. I was taken to the temple when you talked about the rhythm of time vs the linear concept.

Washington state taxes have been paying ( for over 7 yrs) for incarcerated inmates, hormones, sexual transition ssurgeries and a male inmate can "identify" as female, get transfered to a female prison and women are getting raped.

I don't think among Latter Day Saints this should even have to be a discussion. Of the choices available, Trump is head and shoulders above Harris. It is the same difference as the difference between good and evil. We are all personally accountable for our own personal behavior just as Trump or anyone else, but this is about policies that are made at a national level that suck us all into participating in. Trumps policies are far and away more aligned with our values and any Latter Day Saint voting for Harris has need of taking a long hard look at their own values and how they do or do not reflect the values put forth by the Gospel of Jesus Christ. JMO......I am not even sure how any Latter Day Saint can be a part of todays Democrat Party.

So the Greeks are Adam and the Hebrews are Eve.

Hence why we should speak of The atonement of Jesus Christ rather than just The atonement! The words we use matter. Rather than the amorphous body that is the atonement saving us, it’s focusing on Jesus Christ performing atonement for each of us. Words matter!

“The Book of Mormon is the original testament of Jesus Christ”. 🙌