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I agree. I was surprised that they even attributed any credibility to her and the other women. At that time higher moral values were assumed when someone had wealth or status.
@@desertparanormal2791Not everywhere - and this is a bit later. The big, mad witch burning epidemic was more Switzerland in the 16th century and the Holy Roman Empire part of Germany and more17th century. The Pendle witch trial in the UK was early 17th century. In England about 500 ‘witches’ were executed in the late 16th-early 17th century. All by hanging unless they also killed their husbands which meant being burned at the stake. In France it was also mostly 17th century with about 800 being executed - not at the stake I don’t think. Sceptical kings in France and jurists in England basically stopped most of it in the late 17th century but more rural distant areas could get away with stuff!
The narrator did an excellent job narrating this story of Marquis de Sade and pronouncing the French words correctly. I am impressed as to how well his pronunciation is, and your entire narration was superb. Congratulations to you, Sir, on a fantastic job. I liked this story as I am a student of the French language myself and love languages. A very interesting story with so many twists and turns. Love biographies especially ancient biographies as ancient history is my favorite subject of all times. Thank you for sharing this video, it is absolutely fascinating 🙌👍👏♥️
The fact that de Sade actually committed the depraved acts from his stories means the stories were almost certainly promoting the acts in a literal sense.
@@psforos Not all that hard: trouble making aristocrats were not well regarded at all. I think this is the main legacy of the enlightenment's philosophers: scrutiny. Also, by that time and although it did not happen to the de Sade, many impoverished aristocrats had married bourgeois who were a lot more puritanical in their morals. This also had consequences. Louis 16th too, was a family man. Maximum moral looseness was achieved under the Regent and Louis 15th, after a rather puritanical end to Louis 14th reign. Napoleon was a good catholic boy who treated his fiance (Desiree Clary) wives (Josephine and Marie-Louise), and mistresses (not many), rather well (like Louis 14th actually: his wife had an illegitimate baby, allegedly mixed race, and he was very sanguine about it. The child was adopted and lived an ok life. His mistress Mme de Montespan, was implicated in a witch/poisoning affair: he protected her. She too was removed and just lived a normal if more obscure life. He looked after all his kids).
For sure... some pods I cannot stand and the same with some ads or "commercials". They definitely choose the voice on purpose whinny or raspy or sad or etc etc for the things they sell... This is a very tolerable voice to listen to for long periods. UA-cam asks me if the ads they showed me were ok, and offer me some choice for ad-free memberships... and they don't get it that I would pay them to never ever show ME certain ads, which I really hate. I don't hate ads, but some of them are tolerable, mainly for the voice and examiner they have, to the point of your comment.
I love these documentaries. Thankyou for putting them up free for us to watch. I regrettably have missed many I still didn’t go back and re watch as the narrators voice is quite conducive for sleeping.
I was about 15 years old when I read Sade for the first time. Speechless is not strong enough to describe the state the book has put me into. I couldn't stop wondering why it is considered to be literature and not just pornography. Then I was told about his "grateness" and that is a punch to the stomach to society's hypocrisy etc, etc....OK! Even so, one book like that would be enough; he could take another route, he had the talent to do so. Sarcasm, criticism and so forth can be established with so many ways. In my humble opinion, he was just describing his fantasies. As for the critics for the movies, "masterpiece" was one of the terms used and it just added to my belief that those who "judge" movies, get exited by whatever they don't comprehend. As I have already said, just my humble opinion.
He wasn't just describing his fantasies. If Broken down they would only be a fragment, compared to to the endless phrases of his philosophy. If he was just writing his fantasies, why would he even bother to add this massive amount of extra material.? Much of the writing is an expression of his anger and hatred of the hypocrisy of those, in many areas of French society, taking part in the same activities, and yet, not being taken to account for it, while he is left imprisoned.
His skull is still missing. The 1965 horror movie, "The Skull" is about the skull of the Marquis De Sade, which was haunted. Perfect movie for Halloween.
Experts now see his book as an Allegory rather than actual promotions of the acts?! Um....did these "Experts" even bother to look at his arrest records? I mean if the guy had never practiced Sexual Sadism, I would agree, but the fact that he was arrested multiple times, accused by multiple people. I mean come on, sometimes a sexual sadist is just a sexual sadist.
I’m of the humble opinion that he was totally writing sadist porn, and cleverly disguised it as a jab at the aristocracy at that time to make it “acceptable”. The book had an obvious point, but de Sade certainly had a blast belaboring the sordid details of point on purpose.
I'm looking into contemporary works at the time of de Sade's tales that included sexual sadism, whether blatantly so or suggested. It was a popular theme then, working into at least 2 operas.
The big thing with de Sade is that he not only engaged in those acts but in all likelihood forced many people around him to engage in those acts against their will. That in itself makes the 'allegory' argument ring hollow because it seems more likely (in terms of motive) that de Sade is displacing blame while indulging his own sexual fantasies and calling it 'art'.
120 days of sodom has all the tropes of a porn book, in all the worst ways. I am convinced that he was fantasizing about what he wished to do if he had the necessary influence, not criticize the french society
I tend to agree with your assessment, if his intention was merely to critique on French culture a.t.t. i believe it would have been more measured. His writing had the frenzied whet of a madman bent on satiating his own lustful appetite. Whether or not it was intentional it absolutely does speak to the depravity and hypocritical nature of mid 17th century French society.
How many know that De Sade's second forename was not Alphonse? In fact it was ALDONSE. This name was a "peculiarity" , a local name in his father's Province.. People - Critics, Authorities and others probably thought it was a "miss-read" and so substituted the nearest they could imagine - hence "Alphonse".
Such a great movie. Other than the above mentioned brilliant actors, perfectly casted btw - Mr. Phoenix also does a fantastic job playing the tormented and sick with love -priest. I happen to have the movie on DVD - and will probably end up going through my boxes in the basement to find it and rewatch it..! 🎬🍿
Same here, every time I gladly sacrifice my sleep so I can watch it freshly uploaded 😅 after my brain is saturated with knew knowledge I sleep much better 🙈
de Sade's explicit influence regarding Psychology in its most generalised form has never been underestimated by most leading intellectuals and academics! His literary depictions of debauchery unlocked the unspoken of his ruling class culture and social practices! An authentic example from the 'Age of Enlightenment'! His literary contribution to comprehending morality and human sexual deviance is foundational in all the human sciences! Reading 'Dialogue Between a Priest and a Dying Man' to find out would be my advice... if asked! Brilliant guys... thanks very much!
There was a movie called "Quills" about the Marqui's inprisonment. Not very realistic but very entertaining. I can't remember who played deSade but Kate Winslet and Joaquin Phoenix were in it.
Descendant of royalty. Abused as a child. Maybe he wanted to leave his mark in history by consciously or unconsciously revealing the causes of his degeneration?
@@softell9129 Sort of, but not really. It was, more specifically, a sociopolitical bitchslapping of imposed Christian morals, and how they signalled an undue and unjust authority over the masses. He was a maverick hero, villified in the books of history like every other maverick hero. He was a hedonist, yes, but such a lifestyle shouldn't be of issue to anyone beyond himself and the involved consenting adults.
@@teptime true, though I wouldn't define him a hero, he liked to toy with the idea of evil and how far you could take it for your own personal pleasure (how immoral you could get), from the way he writes he seems to enjoy disgusting the reader, and also dares you to wonder about you're dark desires
Whipping and bondage are not vile if the person is an adult (as he hired prostitutes, I like to think so), he did not inflict irreversable damage on them. So what is the crime then?
@@evaleyst The question is if these prostitutes knew what he hired them for. If it was consensual, good for them. If he tricked them into it, then it was abvsive r@pe.
Sociopaths and psychopaths can be talented and inf Iuential even charismatic. This doesn't detract from the fact that they are dangerous and they can pervert good to evil in its most abasing for,m, Iike the way they experience love
Just that the Marquis was not a sociopath. Instead, he wrote his political manifestos out of compassion with the victims of society and he cared for the persons he was close to. Would his wife have visited him in jail if there had not be at least a close friendship? Socionpaths/psychos can be dangerous, but he was neither. Just daring enough to live perversion. Did he kill anyone? Did anyone get physically hurt?
one of the lineages i come from, dates back into the nobility of austria, the counts ... i am so very glad, its all in the past, and my parents are ordinaries
In a movie about his life, his long suffering wife said the cruelest thing he ever did was getting her to fall in love with him. Being in a crazy relationship myself i could really identify with what she was saying 😢
Yet another example of great work from this channel ❤ I don’t care I should actually be sound asleep right now, I have to watch this until the end first and foremost 😅 too hungry for historical biographical knowledge 🙈
I was introduced to the sod back in my early twenties. After reading 120 days of sodom, I was changed. I can never on mentally see the things that he wrote. Dude was messed up. Yet everything treat in reading his perversions.
Truly outstanding documentary and very balanced ❤ im intrigued by De Sade strangely a voyeur in S& M. Having viewed many different accounts, this is superb xx
As for the documentaies question poised at the end. He was both. Having the quality of one trait does not disclude the dichotomy of the other. He is both depraved and a literary satirist of the society in which he lived.
A superb and informative video about the life of Sade. I've read both novels, the Seaver/Wainhouse version years ago and Will McMorran's recent version last year. Both are very well translated although the former version is probably more detailed in certain areas. Horrifying and powerful work that's an assault on the senses and I think Sade's goal was ultimately to shock and hammer the message home in his own - albeit rather twisted - way and he succeeded. I'm almost glad he never managed to finish his work because you can imagine the further horrors and appalling bloodshed that was in store. The horrific death of the poor unfortunate Augustine still burns in my memory. It was beyond barbaric and probably the most sick and depraved description of extreme torture ever written. Having said all that, what astounded me was Sade's description and portrayal of beauty too. From one extreme to another, he was definitely a controversial figure during his era but I still believe that even though he was notorious for his promiscuous behaviour with prostitutes, his most infamous work A 120 Days of Sodom was an attack on the elite. But probably the best video I've seen on the Divine Marquis himself.
The difference between the brothers Grimm and de Sade is that de Sade had actually committed the acts he describes in his book. This is why is writings are not considered allegories. His 120 Days or Sodom is eerily comparable to the 1996 exposure of what the elite of the world do when they gather in secret at the Chateau des Amerois in Belgium. Perhaps he was writing the truth which is too difficult for intellectuals to accept and therefore they choose to overlay it with the cloak of allegory.
Finally more Sade content! And from the History Profiles at that :) Once I “photoshopped” a picture of a local celebrity into some random XVIII century noble and put it as my pfp for whatsapp, and the father of my best friend accused me of putting his face on Sade (he was really keen to prove I was a bad influence, when I changed the picture to a Medieval lady from an early XIV century manuscript he found a way to say her hand was in a promiscuous place (she was holding a rosary💀) Well, all this to say, Sade has been with me in weird ways for a long time, from Enigma’s amazing song “ Sadeness” to my friend’s father idiocy lol.
The de Sade family showed up in Avignon, France while it was under medieval Islamic rule. The area was part of the Ummayad Caliphate. The de Sade’s married into European nobility. Sade is Sadi/ Saadi in Arabic. The Sunni Islamic Saadi Dynasty ruled Morocco and much of West Africa in the 16th and 17th centuries, during the time of the Trans Atlantic Slave trade. An estimated 3 million Africans were sold into slavery under their rule. Best I leave it at that.
Avignon was part of Ummayad Caliphate from 734 to 737. Marquis de Sade was born a century later, literally 1003 years later. His family were nobility since 13th century. Now why would you watch a video about a depraved person and feel the need to imply that it was due to his very much alleged muslim ansectry?
@@HalifaxPeacock I'm glad you have a good vocabulary cause your math does not add up. I apologize if I jumped to conclusions, but your comment is vague and there is no factual basis to support your theory. If you meant something else fell free to elaborate.
Excellent information well presented, thank you! I read Justine in the late 1960s, when I was in my late teens, and was told by my contemporaries that it was political. We all took it as a horrifying and hilarious treatise on Punishment of Virtue. I read another book about her libertine sister Juliet, and how she succeeded in life. Was it by De Sade? As I recall, it was, but it's not mentioned in your documentary. My forever picture of DeSade was painted by Geoffrey Rush's spectacular performance in the movie "Quills."
@@camillep9346 I did not say "good father", just that possibly he was not a rotten father. Anyway, noble parents at that time would say: "let me see the kids when they can write letters to me." All rotten parents. Leaving their kids in the hands of nannies und other servants. Did they control the welfare of their kids? Probably just noticed when the kids were too thin.
You are American, right? The modern idea of 'good father' doesn't apply until mid 1950's and that in America, with the obsessive analysis of behavior, therefore the successful business of 'the shrink'. Until then, a good father was a man who provided for the family as best as he could and know how, punish the kids when mother ask him too, tolerated the kids crying to the limit of his patience, reenforced the kids good behavior and respect for the elders. Today after the rabid feminist took to extreme, is not a 'good father' unless he sits on the floor like a monkey and plays with the kids pretending to be a kid, and instead of be a guide, is best 'pal', so no wonder kids are rotten.
The original stories of the Grim brothers were in some parts awful, but they pale into significance to 120 days of sodomy. I'm willing to bet all I have that Disney will never make that movie. It's beyond repulsion, it's full of torture and murder of children that they kidnap. The adults in this story do disgusting things but they are at least consensual
Great biography. I have read the what remains of his stories and letters collect in one book. I have read it multiple times. I have it both works of disgust and at the same time most eloquent. He wrote with such passion, using the greatest wording. I find his writings disturbing and a must read to learn the true nature of humans (which is both horrifying and disturbing on the whole). Thanks for the video. You have a new describer.
Interesting that a man fascinated with the sense of release and pleasure that bondage and spite bought, should be repeatedly imprisoned and punished throughout his adult life.
I am very conflicted on De Sade. Yes he wrote some intentionally perverted stuff but I think the philosophical nature of his work is often very insightful and underappreciated. You could also say that he had some very progressive views for his time that have become mainstream today. He was a fierce critic of the evils of organized religion and his writings sometimes depict women as having the dominating and aggressive position when it comes to the twisted fantasy world he describes.
His severest critics were just plain hypocrites ...as though the French court and aristocratic society were not already rife with libertinism. Reminds me of Oscar Wilde who died in prison. Fascinating , TY❤
Oscar Wilde died in Paris, after he had finished his sentence of hard labor at Reading Jail, but in a way you are right, he was a broken man after being abandoned by family and friends, and jail broke him, so yes, he, his spirit did die in jail, his last words were said to be "either this wallpaper goes, or I do" who breaks a butterfly on a wheel? ❤
I appreciate this documentary. I was disappointed that more of his work during the French revolution was not explored - he revitalized the hospital system of Paris, he gave the eulogy of Marat, and he was know for his abilities as a judge. He even spared the lives of his in laws during the revolution!
Agreed, it’s very surprising his period as a judge isn’t mentioned in this otherwise excellent documentary. He refused to sentence anyone to death, which nearly got him into serious trouble. A very complex man - but aren’t we all?
A good documentary though it ignores De Sade`s imprisonment at the Fortress of Miolans by the side of Lake Annency. If you visit you can wander around unbothered and spend time in De Sade`s cell which is fun ! I might ad an unpublished novella by De Sade came on the auction market in the UK in 2022, written in his hand probably while in the asylum. No one seemed to want to buy it and it finally sold for a relatively low 55,000 pounds.
Makes me think of a piece of dialogue from a movie, Time after Time, where David Warners” Jack the Ripper” tells Malcolm McDonald’s “HG Wells, In his time, he was a freak. But, in our time, he was merely an amateur.
Having read alot of De Sade's works, I can recommend Justine, or The Misfortunes of Virtue and it's sister novel Juliette read as a pair. Overall if you can get past the fucked up parts, there is gold in there.
I think De Sade's fiction is akin to art-house horror, say like The Wickerman or the Exorcist. Part satire, part social commentary, part titillation. And as with modern horror there's often a thin dividing line between the three, as in sometimes you get the feeling the satire and the social commentary are just a means to indulge the creators' darkest fantasies while allowing the audience to thrill at the breaking of taboos..
Having read Justine (translated of course, but still), the thing that stuck with me was the thought of the French society pre-revolution. Poor people struggling to get by and nefarious people taking advantage of their weakness. And on another note, be it motivated by either perverted fantasies or societal critique, I personally think that it's good someone has the guts to write about stuff like this. Because like it or not, it has happened and still happens to this day. Whether you consider de Sade to be a culprit or a "bystander".
I also read Justine and came to the same conclusion What struck me was not so much the content of the novel but people's reaction to me reading it Justine was just a novel of social struggle Madame Bovery was far more sexually explicit 20 years commuting by train and tube I got to read a lot of books
I heard freud being influenced by de Sade however he and Jung were heavily influenced by Nietzsche. Which makes more than sense than just de Sade himself
Some sources and backing off from the criticism of morals of the time through the modern eye would improve this. We are not living in a higher age morally and history will not look fondly on us either; be humble and exercise humility in one's criticism of the past.
His very vivid descriptions at times was written very beautifully. But the subject matter was often not beautiful by any means. His storytelling prose was highly skilled. He found a way to express unpleastries and crimes with the most unrestrained unsurpassed outrageousness, to the point so extreme that it is almost darkly humorous and mischievous.
I found Justine in a library, but only in French. I was able to read enough to discern what was going on and it wasn't good. After this video, I can perceive deSade as a purveyor of Hustler, Playboy, etc., which claimed to be pursuing free speech. Now that everybody says FY every other sentence, hope they are happy.
@@sabrinanascimento5248 each to their own. Personally, if I was choosing someone to play a dissolute libertine if it would have to be Malcolm McDowell with Pasolini obviously in the director's role, or possibly Kubrick
@@sabrinanascimento5248 Have you ever checked out The Pearl an underground publication from Victorian England. If released today the acts described in that Journal would go straight on the Dark Web. Horrendous acts of rape and cruelty but seemingly acceptable to "gentleman" of the era.
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Watching this while eating croissants really amplifies the overall experience of this great documentary
Huh huh huh. Best comment yet. Knowing Sade however he'd want to eat it out of someone's asshole.
For a lunatic, he had an amazing sense of humour
How many croissants have you got to last 58 minutes?
I'm munching french fries
Pumpkin seeds here. 🙂
Cheese and crackers for me!
How was a nobelman sent to prison with only a prostitute as a witness, he must have been extremley disliked by the court.
I agree. I was surprised that they even attributed any credibility to her and the other women. At that time higher moral values were assumed when someone had wealth or status.
Its not too different to today.
His politics didn't please. They used a E. Jean Carroll. 😂
This was when rumors got women burned at the stake, is it really that much of a reach?
@@desertparanormal2791Not everywhere - and this is a bit later. The big, mad witch burning epidemic was more Switzerland in the 16th century and the Holy Roman Empire part of Germany and more17th century. The Pendle witch trial in the UK was early 17th century. In England about 500 ‘witches’ were executed in the late 16th-early 17th century. All by hanging unless they also killed their husbands which meant being burned at the stake.
In France it was also mostly 17th century with about 800 being executed - not at the stake I don’t think.
Sceptical kings in France and jurists in England basically stopped most of it in the late 17th century but more rural distant areas could get away with stuff!
The narrator did an excellent job narrating this story of Marquis de Sade and pronouncing the French words correctly. I am impressed as to how well his pronunciation is, and your entire narration was superb.
Congratulations to you, Sir, on a fantastic job. I liked this story as I am a student of the French language myself and love languages. A very interesting story with so many twists and turns. Love biographies especially ancient biographies as ancient history is my favorite subject of all times.
Thank you for sharing this video, it is absolutely fascinating 🙌👍👏♥️
At times, sounded like he was reading from an Auto Q...phew...
The fact that de Sade actually committed the depraved acts from his stories means the stories were almost certainly promoting the acts in a literal sense.
Absolutely as a noble born, let alone royal relative really has to step in it hard to be jailed let alone committed to a looney farm.
@@psforos Not all that hard: trouble making aristocrats were not well regarded at all. I think this is the main legacy of the enlightenment's philosophers: scrutiny. Also, by that time and although it did not happen to the de Sade, many impoverished aristocrats had married bourgeois who were a lot more puritanical in their morals. This also had consequences. Louis 16th too, was a family man. Maximum moral looseness was achieved under the Regent and Louis 15th, after a rather puritanical end to Louis 14th reign. Napoleon was a good catholic boy who treated his fiance (Desiree Clary) wives (Josephine and Marie-Louise), and mistresses (not many), rather well (like Louis 14th actually: his wife had an illegitimate baby, allegedly mixed race, and he was very sanguine about it. The child was adopted and lived an ok life. His mistress Mme de Montespan, was implicated in a witch/poisoning affair: he protected her. She too was removed and just lived a normal if more obscure life. He looked after all his kids).
he was a cyclepath
@@realityisascamdo you mean psychopath?
🚲 path?
@@MarkWashco-zq9pt its a silly thing to call psychopaths cyclepaths. also sade had aspd most likely; i have studied his life in depth.
y’all have the best narrator/voice hands down never change
I love how it’s a little bit raspy ❤
For sure... some pods I cannot stand and the same with some ads or "commercials".
They definitely choose the voice on purpose whinny or raspy or sad or etc etc for the things they sell...
This is a very tolerable voice to listen to for long periods.
UA-cam asks me if the ads they showed me were ok, and offer me some choice for ad-free memberships... and they don't get it that I would pay them to never ever show ME certain ads, which I really hate. I don't hate ads, but some of them are tolerable, mainly for the voice and examiner they have, to the point of your comment.
dreadful Franglais accent :)
@@ggrthemostgodless8713exactly!!! Some run as a whole show.
There’s another one I would listen to but the narrator sounds like he has lockjaw.😂😂
I love these documentaries. Thankyou for putting them up free for us to watch. I regrettably have missed many I still didn’t go back and re watch as the narrators voice is quite conducive for sleeping.
I was about 15 years old when I read Sade for the first time. Speechless is not strong enough to describe the state the book has put me into. I couldn't stop wondering why it is considered to be literature and not just pornography. Then I was told about his "grateness" and that is a punch to the stomach to society's hypocrisy etc, etc....OK! Even so, one book like that would be enough; he could take another route, he had the talent to do so. Sarcasm, criticism and so forth can be established with so many ways. In my humble opinion, he was just describing his fantasies. As for the critics for the movies, "masterpiece" was one of the terms used and it just added to my belief that those who "judge" movies, get exited by whatever they don't comprehend. As I have already said, just my humble opinion.
Yes his work is extremely disturbing
He wasn't just describing his fantasies. If Broken down they would only be a fragment, compared to to the endless phrases of his philosophy. If he was just writing his fantasies, why would he even bother to add this massive amount of extra material.? Much of the writing is an expression of his anger and hatred of the hypocrisy of those, in many areas of French society, taking part in the same activities, and yet, not being taken to account for it, while he is left imprisoned.
@@Ragestation If you believe so...
De Sade moral standards were very high!
@@aikaterinimoschou9437 I read a lot. I know so.
His skull is still missing. The 1965 horror movie, "The Skull" is about the skull of the Marquis De Sade, which was haunted. Perfect movie for Halloween.
It absolutely is. Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee are wonderful.
I have that movie. Two of the best actors in the hammer films was in it……
@@taebundy658 Yep!
I guess you could say De Sade was a head of his time.
Oh my lord, my Mom and I watched that movie when I was little. It scared the crap out of me 😂😂😂
Experts now see his book as an Allegory rather than actual promotions of the acts?! Um....did these "Experts" even bother to look at his arrest records? I mean if the guy had never practiced Sexual Sadism, I would agree, but the fact that he was arrested multiple times, accused by multiple people. I mean come on, sometimes a sexual sadist is just a sexual sadist.
Best comment ever and understatement of the year 😂
I'm pretty sure he just dressed up his fantasies with popular literary themes of the day.
I’m of the humble opinion that he was totally writing sadist porn, and cleverly disguised it as a jab at the aristocracy at that time to make it “acceptable”. The book had an obvious point, but de Sade certainly had a blast belaboring the sordid details of point on purpose.
I'm looking into contemporary works at the time of de Sade's tales that included sexual sadism, whether blatantly so or suggested. It was a popular theme then, working into at least 2 operas.
I agree with you , a sexual sadist and perv is just a sexual sadist and perv, sick in a head person. Mentally ill one.
I think this one and the one about Casanova are my favorites so far. I am addicted to the channel. These are the greatest things to binge-watch.
If you like Casanova you might enjoy the BBC movie that came out in the early 2000s. It’s not very accurate but it’s a fun watch.
@@Gimme_bikelanes Do you mean the one with David Tennant?
The big thing with de Sade is that he not only engaged in those acts but in all likelihood forced many people around him to engage in those acts against their will. That in itself makes the 'allegory' argument ring hollow because it seems more likely (in terms of motive) that de Sade is displacing blame while indulging his own sexual fantasies and calling it 'art'.
120 days of sodom has all the tropes of a porn book, in all the worst ways. I am convinced that he was fantasizing about what he wished to do if he had the necessary influence, not criticize the french society
I tend to agree with your assessment, if his intention was merely to critique on French culture a.t.t. i believe it would have been more measured. His writing had the frenzied whet of a madman bent on satiating his own lustful appetite. Whether or not it was intentional it absolutely does speak to the depravity and hypocritical nature of mid 17th century French society.
How many know that De Sade's second forename was not Alphonse? In fact it was ALDONSE. This name was a "peculiarity" , a local name in his father's Province.. People - Critics, Authorities and others probably thought it was a "miss-read" and so substituted the nearest they could imagine - hence "Alphonse".
I did not know that. Thanks for sharing
Thank you for the information!
Fascinatingly enough that's the name of a evil god in the darkover series by mccaffrey and Bradley
The Don!
"The man known in history as..." is becoming iconic in 5 years.
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A sadist was talking to a masochist. "Hit me! Hit me!" said the masochist. The sadist paused for a moment, and then said, "No".
Clearly an advanced practitioner.
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Geoffrey Rush played him in " the quills" awesome
There's something about Geoffrey Rush that enables him to portray damaged souls isn't there? He rarely plays any other role.
@@AndyJarman💯🎯👏 yes, I agree. He played Sade so well. Kate Winslet was also brilliant, imho.
"Quills" is one of the best movies I've ever seen. Geoffrey Rush, and pretty much the whole cast, were superb.
Such a great movie.
Other than the above mentioned brilliant actors, perfectly casted btw - Mr. Phoenix also does a fantastic job playing the tormented and sick with love -priest.
I happen to have the movie on DVD - and will probably end up going through my boxes in the basement to find it and rewatch it..! 🎬🍿
It's such a thrill to get a notification that People Profiles released another superb documentary
Me too! Then to see whose the narrator! ❤❤
Same here, every time I gladly sacrifice my sleep so I can watch it freshly uploaded 😅 after my brain is saturated with knew knowledge I sleep much better 🙈
Amen🤌🧐
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"Lewd acts involving 'The fundamental orifice'... "?🤔
I got a pretty good chuckle out of that line.
i tried looking up what that meant lmao
"Desecrate her holy chalice with bodily fluids" my god
It's one of De Sade's common lines in his characters.
Does that mean BJ? I think.
I think that is what Freud called it.
The initial pleasure, making your parents clean up your mess!
Thank you for spoiling us with so many interesting profiles lately.
Can you please do one on The Brothers Grimm?
Very fascinating cross-section of the reality that is become "The Enlightenment" thank you!
de Sade's explicit influence regarding Psychology in its most generalised form has never been underestimated by most leading intellectuals and academics! His literary depictions of debauchery unlocked the unspoken of his ruling class culture and social practices! An authentic example from the 'Age of Enlightenment'! His literary contribution to comprehending morality and human sexual deviance is foundational in all the human sciences!
Reading 'Dialogue Between a Priest and a Dying Man' to find out would be my advice... if asked! Brilliant guys... thanks very much!
"never been underestimated'. You are a trifle.
"...ropes, horsewhips and candle wax..." Don't threaten me with a good time 😁
I love it 😂
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"Later, darling, later......"
-----Morticia Addams, The Addams
Family. 😅
OMG!! Your comment was SO funny. I'm envious of you.
Right?! 😅
There was a movie called "Quills" about the Marqui's inprisonment. Not very realistic but very entertaining. I can't remember who played deSade but Kate Winslet and Joaquin Phoenix were in it.
Geoffrey Rush.
Geoffrey Rush played DeSade.
Descendant of royalty. Abused as a child. Maybe he wanted to leave his mark in history by consciously or unconsciously revealing the causes of his degeneration?
Interesting theory isn't it? I never knew he was from royalty!
@@FunkyTomoJust like King Charles and his ancestor Vlad the impeller, inmortalised as the blood drinking Dracula!
I think it was more about self gratification and a desire to shock people
@@softell9129 Sort of, but not really. It was, more specifically, a sociopolitical bitchslapping of imposed Christian morals, and how they signalled an undue and unjust authority over the masses. He was a maverick hero, villified in the books of history like every other maverick hero. He was a hedonist, yes, but such a lifestyle shouldn't be of issue to anyone beyond himself and the involved consenting adults.
@@teptime true, though I wouldn't define him a hero, he liked to toy with the idea of evil and how far you could take it for your own personal pleasure (how immoral you could get), from the way he writes he seems to enjoy disgusting the reader, and also dares you to wonder about you're dark desires
His vile writings are not an allegory. He lived a life very similar to his fictional crimes. When a person tells you who they are, believe them.
So Stephen King and Dean Koontz are murderers and depraved individuals?
Whipping and bondage are not vile if the person is an adult (as he hired prostitutes, I like to think so), he did not inflict irreversable damage on them. So what is the crime then?
@@evaleyst The question is if these prostitutes knew what he hired them for. If it was consensual, good for them. If he tricked them into it, then it was abvsive r@pe.
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Love these! An episode each night at bedtime!
Thanks for your work and time making this happen for me, again ❤
He was a deviant who was a good writer!
Exactly! Its amazing how much trouble many people have with this concept.
Love your content guys! Keep up the good work ❤❤❤❤
Sociopaths and psychopaths can be talented and inf
Iuential even charismatic. This doesn't detract from the fact that they are dangerous and they can pervert good to evil in its most abasing for,m,
Iike the way they experience love
We see it all the time these days. But today they'd discredit the prostitute and the courts would say "we don't want to ruin his future."
I doubt Socio/psychopaths experience love
Just that the Marquis was not a sociopath. Instead, he wrote his political manifestos out of compassion with the victims of society and he cared for the persons he was close to. Would his wife have visited him in jail if there had not be at least a close friendship? Socionpaths/psychos can be dangerous, but he was neither. Just daring enough to live perversion. Did he kill anyone? Did anyone get physically hurt?
@@evaleystBro, he assaulted women and minors. Wtf are you on about.
His wife was also WAYYYY too good for him.
@@evaleyst Thank you !
This dude was a super freak😂😂
It was a real pleasure to watch your videos! I really liked the way you reveal the topic, keep the viewer in suspense.
one of the lineages i come from, dates back into the nobility of austria, the counts ... i am so very glad, its all in the past, and my parents are ordinaries
OMG you did de sade?? Love you guys. First Blackbeard now this.... Christmas came early this year🎉
More like Antichristmas
Fascinating insight into the complex personality of de Sade who usually provokes a knee jerk reaction .
In a movie about his life, his long suffering wife said the cruelest thing he ever did was getting her to fall in love with him.
Being in a crazy relationship myself i could really identify with what she was saying 😢
Thank you ❣️
Thank you!
Thank you for presenting such an unbiased story. Much appreciated
An interesting and thorough examination of this enigmatic man. I wonder how sadism would be described without him? Human nature at it’s worst?
Yet another example of great work from this channel ❤ I don’t care I should actually be sound asleep right now, I have to watch this until the end first and foremost 😅 too hungry for historical biographical knowledge 🙈
Enjoy! 🙂
It's 2:04 am here in Rapid City South Dakota USA! I have to be up at 6 for work but I just found this channel. Hope I like it
@@susanlett9632at 4.15sm, I'm refusing to go to sleep until I hear it all,ol'! 💯😉
I was introduced to the sod back in my early twenties. After reading 120 days of sodom, I was changed. I can never on mentally see the things that he wrote. Dude was messed up. Yet everything treat in reading his perversions.
Yes I agree - can’t unsee them
You read it. Why didn't you stop?
@@Jo-yp8wyWhy do people read true crime? It doesn’t mean one approves of or gets off on what a predator does.
Watching from Mackinac Island Michigan
Truly outstanding documentary and very balanced ❤ im intrigued by De Sade strangely a voyeur in S& M. Having viewed many different accounts, this is superb xx
As for the documentaies question poised at the end. He was both. Having the quality of one trait does not disclude the dichotomy of the other. He is both depraved and a literary satirist of the society in which he lived.
Excellent video. Very thorough and interesting.
A superb and informative video about the life of Sade. I've read both novels, the Seaver/Wainhouse version years ago and Will McMorran's recent version last year. Both are very well translated although the former version is probably more detailed in certain areas. Horrifying and powerful work that's an assault on the senses and I think Sade's goal was ultimately to shock and hammer the message home in his own - albeit rather twisted - way and he succeeded. I'm almost glad he never managed to finish his work because you can imagine the further horrors and appalling bloodshed that was in store. The horrific death of the poor unfortunate Augustine still burns in my memory. It was beyond barbaric and probably the most sick and depraved description of extreme torture ever written. Having said all that, what astounded me was Sade's description and portrayal of beauty too. From one extreme to another, he was definitely a controversial figure during his era but I still believe that even though he was notorious for his promiscuous behaviour with prostitutes, his most infamous work A 120 Days of Sodom was an attack on the elite.
But probably the best video I've seen on the Divine Marquis himself.
The difference between the brothers Grimm and de Sade is that de Sade had actually committed the acts he describes in his book. This is why is writings are not considered allegories. His 120 Days or Sodom is eerily comparable to the 1996 exposure of what the elite of the world do when they gather in secret at the Chateau des Amerois in Belgium. Perhaps he was writing the truth which is too difficult for intellectuals to accept and therefore they choose to overlay it with the cloak of allegory.
99% untrue
This was so well done. And, informative. A true history lesson. Thank you! I subscribed.
Poor Renée... I can relate, but love her name! Beautiful French pronunciation! ❤
I never get tired of hearing about the Marquis de Sade. Fascinating story.
Who is the narrator of this documentary? He has a great voice ❤❤❤
Take a bow Ruben Crow...
Finally more Sade content! And from the History Profiles at that :)
Once I “photoshopped” a picture of a local celebrity into some random XVIII century noble and put it as my pfp for whatsapp, and the father of my best friend accused me of putting his face on Sade (he was really keen to prove I was a bad influence, when I changed the picture to a Medieval lady from an early XIV century manuscript he found a way to say her hand was in a promiscuous place (she was holding a rosary💀)
Well, all this to say, Sade has been with me in weird ways for a long time, from Enigma’s amazing song “ Sadeness” to my friend’s father idiocy lol.
The de Sade family showed up in Avignon, France while it was under medieval Islamic rule. The area was part of the Ummayad Caliphate. The de Sade’s married into European nobility.
Sade is Sadi/ Saadi in Arabic.
The Sunni Islamic Saadi Dynasty ruled Morocco and much of West Africa in the 16th and 17th centuries, during the time of the Trans Atlantic Slave trade. An estimated 3 million Africans were sold into slavery under their rule.
Best I leave it at that.
Hmm. More than speculation is needed, but your hypothesis is interesting.
Avignon was part of Ummayad Caliphate from 734 to 737. Marquis de Sade was born a century later, literally 1003 years later. His family were nobility since 13th century.
Now why would you watch a video about a depraved person and feel the need to imply that it was due to his very much alleged muslim ansectry?
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I didn’t imply that his behaviour was due to his Muslim Ancestry… you did.
Also 1000 years is not a century - it is a millenium.
@@HalifaxPeacock I'm glad you have a good vocabulary cause your math does not add up.
I apologize if I jumped to conclusions, but your comment is vague and there is no factual basis to support your theory. If you meant something else fell free to elaborate.
Fascinating presentation thanks xxx
Excellent information well presented, thank you! I read Justine in the late 1960s, when I was in my late teens, and was told by my contemporaries that it was political. We all took it as a horrifying and hilarious treatise on Punishment of Virtue. I read another book about her libertine sister Juliet, and how she succeeded in life. Was it by De Sade? As I recall, it was, but it's not mentioned in your documentary. My forever picture of DeSade was painted by Geoffrey Rush's spectacular performance in the movie "Quills."
I've heard various things about the Marquis De Sade over the years, but this exceptional documentary certainly stands out.
He was a rotten father - how cud he be anything else with his prioritised choice of activities.... ESTP Sounds like a polite way to say Sociopath...
What makes you think he was? Any evidence from his kids' lives?
@@evaleyst Jail,income, treatment of mother, and all the reasons she eventually divorced him.... ok, u have a funny ideaof a good father...
@@camillep9346 I did not say "good father", just that possibly he was not a rotten father.
Anyway, noble parents at that time would say: "let me see the kids when they can write letters to me." All rotten parents. Leaving their kids in the hands of nannies und other servants. Did they control the welfare of their kids? Probably just noticed when the kids were too thin.
You are American, right? The modern idea of 'good father' doesn't apply until mid 1950's and that in America, with the obsessive analysis of behavior, therefore the successful business of 'the shrink'. Until then, a good father was a man who provided for the family as best as he could and know how, punish the kids when mother ask him too, tolerated the kids crying to the limit of his patience, reenforced the kids good behavior and respect for the elders. Today after the rabid feminist took to extreme, is not a 'good father' unless he sits on the floor like a monkey and plays with the kids pretending to be a kid, and instead of be a guide, is best 'pal', so no wonder kids are rotten.
I really enjoy youre videos ,so thank you 4 all the uploads !!!
Very interesting. I had no idea the significance of The Brothers Grim and the foundation whereby which they were written. Very knowledgeable.👍🏼
The original stories of the Grim brothers were in some parts awful, but they pale into significance to 120 days of sodomy. I'm willing to bet all I have that Disney will never make that movie. It's beyond repulsion, it's full of torture and murder of children that they kidnap. The adults in this story do disgusting things but they are at least consensual
On a dare I bought and read the book "The 120 Days of Sodom", thinking "It can't be that bad, seen with modern eyes." Yeah, it's pretty f*ucked up.
The only reason for his imprisonment was because he did what he did in public with commoners.
Great biography. I have read the what remains of his stories and letters collect in one book. I have read it multiple times. I have it both works of disgust and at the same time most eloquent. He wrote with such passion, using the greatest wording. I find his writings disturbing and a must read to learn the true nature of humans (which is both horrifying and disturbing on the whole). Thanks for the video. You have a new describer.
The outro song to this video is friggin awesome!
Vivaldi - Four Seasons: Summer 3rd movement
Thank you for uploading this.
Interesting and informative well presented.
Certainly a character
Interesting that a man fascinated with the sense of release and pleasure that bondage and spite bought, should be repeatedly imprisoned and punished throughout his adult life.
Thanks for your nice history of de Sade.
Marquis de Sade sounds like the 1800s version of Slim Shady.
*Picks up quill* "If you want Sade-y this is what I'll give ya..."
"seems everybody only wants to discuss me.
So this must mean I'm disgusting,
But it's just me, I'm just obscene"
Excellent Documentary !!!
I am very conflicted on De Sade. Yes he wrote some intentionally perverted stuff but I think the philosophical nature of his work is often very insightful and underappreciated. You could also say that he had some very progressive views for his time that have become mainstream today. He was a fierce critic of the evils of organized religion and his writings sometimes depict women as having the dominating and aggressive position when it comes to the twisted fantasy world he describes.
Great yet unique presentation definitely worthy of a full go.
Thanks!
Wow. This is insanely good. Thank you.
He was obviously never going to write for Mills & Boon!
Fifty Shades of Grey came pretty close to that "mash up" though didn't it!?
His severest critics were just plain hypocrites ...as though the French court and aristocratic society were not already rife with libertinism. Reminds me of Oscar Wilde who died in prison. Fascinating , TY❤
Oscar Wilde died in Paris, after he had finished his sentence of hard labor at Reading Jail, but in a way you are right, he was a broken man after being abandoned by family and friends, and jail broke him, so yes, he, his spirit did die in jail, his last words were said to be "either this wallpaper goes, or I do" who breaks a butterfly on a wheel? ❤
@@michaelhall596 thanks for the correction.
He took it to "the next level"
Oh Sade went way beyond anything Oscar Wilde was into.
The man who brought us The Happy Prince would never be as provocative & foul as Sade, imho.
There's a movie "Quills" that is about de Sade. Dunno how accurate to his life but it has good actors.
I see Walsingham video next in line.
Sade and Walsingham have been both portrayed by Geoffrey Rush. Coincidentally.
He's a great actor 👍
And David Helfgott. Like Donald Pleasance before him, some actors become typecast to play the most peculiar stereotypes!
Deception, one of the best films ever.
excellent in depth research brilliant
I appreciate this documentary. I was disappointed that more of his work during the French revolution was not explored - he revitalized the hospital system of Paris, he gave the eulogy of Marat, and he was know for his abilities as a judge. He even spared the lives of his in laws during the revolution!
Agreed, it’s very surprising his period as a judge isn’t mentioned in this otherwise excellent documentary. He refused to sentence anyone to death, which nearly got him into serious trouble. A very complex man - but aren’t we all?
@@nickwyatt9498 He is indeed. I have on my channel some videos about de Sade - are you interested? I can share some links.
A good documentary though it ignores De Sade`s imprisonment at the Fortress of Miolans by the side of Lake Annency. If you visit you can wander around unbothered and spend time in De Sade`s cell which is fun ! I might ad an unpublished novella by De Sade came on the auction market in the UK in 2022, written in his hand probably while in the asylum. No one seemed to want to buy it and it finally sold for a relatively low 55,000 pounds.
The thumbnail picture bears a resemblish to Miles Davis. He was something of a sadist too, ESPECIALLY TO HIMSELF.
Um .... isn't that a masochist then?
Makes me think of a piece of dialogue from a movie, Time after Time, where David Warners” Jack the Ripper” tells Malcolm McDonald’s “HG Wells, In his time, he was a freak. But, in our time, he was merely an amateur.
Having read alot of De Sade's works, I can recommend Justine, or The Misfortunes of Virtue and it's sister novel Juliette read as a pair. Overall if you can get past the fucked up parts, there is gold in there.
They're very philosophical.
Epstein book club favorite for sure
I found a lot of comedy too. He was also anti-church and a philosopher.
I think De Sade's fiction is akin to art-house horror, say like The Wickerman or the Exorcist. Part satire, part social commentary, part titillation. And as with modern horror there's often a thin dividing line between the three, as in sometimes you get the feeling the satire and the social commentary are just a means to indulge the creators' darkest fantasies while allowing the audience to thrill at the breaking of taboos..
Having read Justine (translated of course, but still), the thing that stuck with me was the thought of the French society pre-revolution.
Poor people struggling to get by and nefarious people taking advantage of their weakness.
And on another note, be it motivated by either perverted fantasies or societal critique, I personally think that it's good someone has the guts to write about stuff like this. Because like it or not, it has happened and still happens to this day. Whether you consider de Sade to be a culprit or a "bystander".
I also read Justine and came to the same conclusion
What struck me was not so much the content of the novel but people's reaction to me reading it
Justine was just a novel of social struggle
Madame Bovery was far more sexually explicit
20 years commuting by train and tube I got to read a lot of books
I heard freud being influenced by de Sade however he and Jung were heavily influenced by Nietzsche. Which makes more than sense than just de Sade himself
Some sources and backing off from the criticism of morals of the time through the modern eye would improve this. We are not living in a higher age morally and history will not look fondly on us either; be humble and exercise humility in one's criticism of the past.
When you said a "copper cylinder he was able to hide in..." I thought oh no, he didn't 😂.
😂😂 ..my thought in that moment exactly!
It got pushed in nicely. Back then, there was no time to put the lotion in the basket.
His copper cylinder obsession discriped it most near.
One significant point was missed, he writes quite beautifully. If he hadn't he would have been forgotten.
I found his work disturbing, not beautiful by any stretch of the imagination.
“Beautifully”… um no
The patron Saint of buggery.
His very vivid descriptions at times was written very beautifully. But the subject matter was often not beautiful by any means. His storytelling prose was highly skilled. He found a way to express unpleastries and crimes with the most unrestrained unsurpassed outrageousness, to the point so extreme that it is almost darkly humorous and mischievous.
Too funny how offensive France found him after the Olympic opening ceremony they just put on.
Right???? !!!! Unbelievable!!!
Yeah because moral standards have remained exactly the same all this time.
I found Justine in a library, but only in French. I was able to read enough to discern what was going on and it wasn't good. After this video, I can perceive deSade as a purveyor of Hustler, Playboy, etc., which claimed to be pursuing free speech. Now that everybody says FY every other sentence, hope they are happy.
Thanks for the Justine spoilers. I'm currently reading that trainwreck and didn't know how it ended.
Myers-Briggs?! Really? You forgot to mention in what house his Jupiter was and what was his latest tea leaf reading.
Very well done.
Narrative was way too fast had to play it on 0.75 ……very interesting doco
Following this, I have strong reason to believe that Desaad, the God of Torture and Sadism from DC Comics is named after him.
No shit lmao
Geoffrey Rush did a great job portraying Marquis de Sade.
I thought he was too cuddly for the role. De Sade was a noisy, pushy, demanding bad baby always bucking the system
No, he was perfectly fit for the role and as Captain Barbossa in the Pirates of the Caribbean.
@@sabrinanascimento5248 each to their own. Personally, if I was choosing someone to play a dissolute libertine if it would have to be Malcolm McDowell with Pasolini obviously in the director's role, or possibly Kubrick
Or Polanski?
23:30 😅... Herein we can officially say he was the manifestation of the adage "The Man, The Myth, The Legend"
He even wrote sadistic poetry in newspapers.
@@sabrinanascimento5248 Have you ever checked out The Pearl an underground publication from Victorian England. If released today the acts described in that Journal would go straight on the Dark Web. Horrendous acts of rape and cruelty but seemingly acceptable to "gentleman" of the era.