Khyber Pass Martini Pistol
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2015
- The Khyber Pass is a well known center of arms production, with gunmaking there going back at least 100 years. The quality of craftsmanship varies greatly, from excellent and safe weapons to thoroughly unsafe guns made with little more than hand files and drills. In the last decade or so, much of the production has centered around making guns for sale to Western soldiers to take home as souvenirs. Since antique guns can generally be imported to places like the US and UK with minimal paperwork, gunsmiths build copies of the arms used by the British in their last occupation of Afghanistan - Martini Henrys. This particular one is a .303 caliber pistol, adorned extensively with decorations and with a laughably crude copy of British service markings.
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Dont forget all that combined with a hand dandy suicide machine
I would put it in a vice and fire it, it it survived a few Mk.VII ball rounds, i would shoot it. looks like they hacked up a Bren barrel to make it.
Aaah, a reproduction of the good old British classic: The EnfieldEnfieldEnfield model 3333333 :D
How does it compare to a BrowningsBrowningsBrownings?
@@falloutghoul1 Which model though?
@@igiveup12
1944.
PopcornParatrooper model 19hty6
@@V4-_- r/wooosh
"The bore is almost centered in the barrel, which is a nice touch." Yes, I agree, I do view a centered bore as a nice, thoughtful, little extra on a gun.
Then you wouldn't like the sterling s11
It's not MANDATORY to retain function...
But it sure is helpful
Personally, I feel centered bores are overrated.
@@joostdriesens3984 Ever see the Beeman / Feinwerkbau Model 2 air pistol, with a barrel that spirals AROUND THE ACTION? Really slays the "my barrel isn't straight" defense 😂
@@Karl_Kampfwagen I just checked it out, what the effing eff??? 😂
That is not a pistol, it is a hand grenade with a trigger.
+acklan3 LOL, right might work ok, if a person loaded it light like .38 special pressure and used 110 gr bullets. but yes kind of a silly piece of junk.
Like the movie killing them softly, the sawed off shotgun scene.
I think I'd go with a sized buckshot pellet and a couple grains of pistol powder for the ultimate low-pressure mouse-fart experience, lol.
+Ryan Ehlis I'd be afraid to crank off a .22 Short in that thing!
I wouldn't fire a 22 cb
"1561 is not an appropriate date for a Martini Henry"
charwhick don't even know if its appropriate for a match lock.
@@vasilipanin8978 Some people say Matchlocks have been around as early as the 1470s.
@@alphabloodhawk will split the difference and say 1561 is a good date for a wheel lock.
Maybe the Afghan gunsmith was looking at 1921upside down.
@@thulomanchay That's not an appropriate date either though.
The more times you stamp Enfield on the firearm, the more authentic it is.
Yeah, idk, I'm no historian, but I'm pretty confident this was made by Enfield Enfield Enfield 🤔
Love how the bore being nearly centered in the barrel is a nice feature.
It's a bug. it's supposed to be a SeeThru barrel for a chamber check (and hand amputation).
Basically a sawed off rifle.
What could possibly go wrong.
Jacob Furrow Nothing if it was built right in the first place.
Not a sawed off rifle. It's a handmade copy with fake proof marks.
momo fuku I know it's not literally a "sawed off rifle", but it basically is in terms of practicality.
Jacob Furrow It looks more like the Mauser c96 deformed brother
Nope, nothing at all lol. I'd definitely wear a good set of chainmail cutting gloves while firing this thing, not that I don't trust it...nope not at all....
1561, eh? Must've been Queen Elizabeth's personal sidearm fighting the Spanish armada.
Queen Victoria*
Queen Elizabeth**
MosquitoHunter
I was making a joke about the gun having a proof mark specifically referencing Queen Victoria.
"It's not an appropriate date."
You don't say :P
Actually saw one of these on my first deployment to Afghanistan in 2007. One of my buddies called me over and asked me if I knew what it was. I exclaimed that it was totally Kybered and was not something that ever actually existed, but that it was a Martini action.
Funny that it's 303 British as the round would take up most of the length of the barrel.
Heh, maybe it was built by the same gunsmith
Keith Eckensviller I thought it was a bit short
You "exclaimed".....
"kybered" is an actual word.
@@adude8424 Here in England we call one's arse/back passage Up the Khyber 🤣
Dice, bring this into Battlefield as the ultimate LVL 100 unlock
It would be a nice troll weapon.
Egg Pickles basically the new jeep stuff. Without jeeps.
Egg Pickles Nothing beats the kolobri
*by the gods what matter of abomination have we created?*
Batman colonel 100
"...the bore is almost centered in the barrel, which is a nice touch"
Love your humor
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"jerry! hello!"
I was just looking through the comments to see if someone said that
Vibrate mode! Lol
@@iany.8567 lmao same. hello year old commenter XD
I don't think 865 is a serial number. I think it's the number of tourists's fingers the maker's guns have blown off.
And the "3"s are for each time one explosion has taken three or more fingers.
And Enfield is just a misspelling of where all the bodies are haha
The thought of having an Obrez'd Martini sounds awesome, until you realise you have to fire it.
Well, if it had been done by same manufacturer as actual Martini-Henry...
In that case this thing(with better quality obviously) looks like a good sidearm for your soldiers. Since: 1)you're too much of a cheap ass to give a revolver to anybody, but an officer and even they likely bought it themselves; 2)it shares ammo and parts with actual rifle so you can use it as a repair kit and have no trouble with running out of ammo; 3)you have 2 shots of Martini-Henry ready at all times. There was another video on similar gun that was submitted for german trials and shared ammo with Dreyse, if I recall right.
@@TheArklyte that reminds me of that swedish mauser that shares ammo with the heavy MG the troop carry, i pity them if they also have a pistol with those design feature in mind
I am from Peshawar Pakistan 🇵🇰 it's name ,,Lindi mara ,, pistols
That fookn cellphone!
Wolfstanus his mom wanted to know if he is playing with another gun
@@justinhatch4096 fook outta 'ere ye fookin enfield shet
Wolfstanus fookn laser sights!
Next time you do a video, sit behind an empty table and say, " welcome to Forgotten Weapons. I'd love to show you a weapon now but I have Forgotten it"
It would be nice episode for an april fools though
He's a historian, not a comedian.
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@@manishbhat8570 It's a link right to my own channel. What do you mean by that?
@@raphaelrae8186 uhhh it's supposed to be the link to Ian's video from April fools day last year. The one on the Municion LMP
"Barbour, there is no way you'll get someone to buy that piece of shit"
"haha wanna bet"
alternatively it coulda been made by some super avant garde gunsmith at the front of a odd firearms fauvist movement or something
"No, no, it's supposed to look like a piece of shit."
This is actually genius. Imagine you're on deployment and you see this abomination. It's so ridiculous, I think most people would be begging to take it home with them
My God man! You've got a 1561 Martini Henry on your hands! That's the most incredible find in recorded history! And you can tell it's real because they wrote backwards back then.
So you mean it was actually made in 1651!
Clearly that makes it much more believable 😅
I've been enjoying the hell out of this channel. I too am intrigued by these strange, crude weapons.
+Ballistic BBQ One of my favorite channels commenting on one of my other favorite channels!
+okduckslayer13 Thanks!
Ballistic BBQ Calling this particular ghastly monstrosity a weapon is perhaps putting it a bit strongly but agree it's totally a great channel!
This channel should teach everyone that making guns illegal is just foolishness. Its really not too hard to make a gun.
I suspect, a seller in Kabul or in Kandahar said: "Och sir! This is the remains of 66th (Berkshire) Regiment of Foot taken straight from the field of The Battle of Maiwand on 27 July 1880! Look here! All those brands are poore British! Afghan warrior from Mountain wept tears bitterly when he sold me this pistol! And I do not know why I wont to sell you this treasure for such a low price! My children will curse me to the end of their days!"
@Max Wylde
I do not think a 1870 autentic rifle would cost 300 €...
@Max Wylde
well, yeah, in awful condition you can get them for that cheap. but they are in awful condition so it's not a great deal.
unless there are plans to restore the gun to shape, but then it's not "original" anymore (but it could be used for shooting without much remorse or for display).
on the RIA website a Enfield Martini-Henry Mk I (should be from 1873) in good conditions have an estimated price from 2500$ to 4000$ (2200€ to 3500€ circa)...
you could get a cheaper price buyind directly from a person or a shop tho, but if he/them knows/know what he/them is/are dealing the price goes obviously up...
A true Dibbler
Tourist: "I want an Enfield"
Local: "I hear that shop sells one"
Enfield in that shop:
''Mom can we have Martini Henry?!!
''No we have Martini Henry at home.''
Martini Henry at home:
"Gunsmith" is an extraordinarily generous way to refer to the people who made that eyesore.
Funnily enough, I have seen a pistol very similar that dates from the Early 1900's but designed to fire a 410 shotgun cartridge! It was used/sold as an anti bandit gun.
I've had a single shot derringer that fires a 45 long Colt or 410 shotshell for about forty years. I've killed several dozen snakes with it on our creek-side home as my wife and I cleared decades of overgrowth from the woods on our land. Mine was made in the seventies or eighties, quite good quality even if a bit crude looking.
Sounds like a cut-down Greener Shotgun, potentially. They were used all across the British sphere in the Middle East and India as police shotguns, converted from Martini-Henry rifles.
Sounds like a shitty anti bandit gun. .410 is a terrible shell for anything larger than small game
For when you want to blow someone's mind with pocket pump action
For me.. my love of guns comes from the fact that firearms are amazing machines.. all these often tiny moving bits, one working with the next, all in sync, to activate and contain an explosion from a super fast chemical reaction, meant to propel a chunk of heavy stuff far far away.... all while (hopefully) keeping the user safe.
You bring to my screen a whole slew of these wonderful machines that I would never get the chance to see, let alone be shown how they work. I thank you greatly for that!!
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Same here!
In 1976 I visited the Imperial War Museum in London and they had one of these Martini Henry "pistols". It was, of course, actually made from a Martini Henry rifle back in that era. The lever had been shaped like this one to fit the simple wooden grip that had been fitted to the mechanism. I'm sure it would have been safe to fire--if you make sure your head isn't in the way of the pistol as it recoils backwards. I've fired a Smith & Wesson 50 cal revolver and I'd imagine that a 45 cal black powder rifle cartridge would have an equal or greater kick to it. What surprises me is that the Khyber Pass fake weapons production has done a copy of what was most likely a very unusual conversion (rifle to pistol) done back in the late 1880s.
Is it just me or does this gun look bent, like it would shoot downward if you fired it.
yea... it kinda does
andgalactus1 no that's what it supposed to like. It help deal with the accuracy.
andgalactus1 if you’ve ever shot a handgun, a lot of these old ones especially, shoot high. So it is supposed to help with accuracy
Compensates for recoil ;)
That is to compensate recoil. With the right training you can’t miss
I unironically want a safe to fire version of this
a .303 pistol made in the khyber pass,no thanks i like my hand.
sevenpointsixtwo I like my arm...
And my face...
Preferably on my body...
At least it isnt BMG....
Wanna try country made .303 katta
That's actually pretty cool from an artistic perspective. You can tell whoever made this that they had fun with the stampings.
The Bob Ross School of Markings...
5:08 I don't know, Ian, the idea of a Martini action chambered in .303 Brit in a pistol format is definitely an idea I've never seen from anyone else before. It may be the answer to a question that no one asked, but _original_ it certainly is.
Nobody:
The guy who stamped Enfield on this: So anyway, I started Enfielding
Enfield Enfield Enfield, almost as good as the Chinese Brownings Brownings Brownings .
I prefer the FN FN FN FAL
Wauser make the best pistols.
Like my Sorny stereo
I now crave brownies.
@@DavidCowie2022 Cold hard fact.
Man that thing looks so dopey
would love to see it blow up in a vice in slow motion, you must buy it for science Ian.
Soldiers were clamoring for these things. I LOVE the Dura market guns. I've seen some fantastic guns built by people who can't even read...
Dan Volkov
I was last there in 2011. Pretty sure I do have pictures, but who knows where.
+Name Surname Just search yt for Khybar Pass firearm production videos. The presentation quality of their workmanship is sometimes outstanding, although the strength & durability of the materials used is anyone's guess. You see these shoddy little backstreet workshops in action, tribal villagers sat cross-legged on a dirt floor next to a vice, each filing or polishing different components. An old man with his long beard dangerously close to an ancient lathe, turning barrels. Etc. It's fascinating to watch.
+Name Surname "Light Engineering In Darra Adam Khel, Pakistan amazig" - is a title of one video of a Khybar Pass workshop.
JCBAirmaster73
you have to see them shooting these things to believe it. The master gun builders there are insane. They come up with the coolest shit...
JCBAirmaster73
to tell you the truth they don't make half bad barrels. Understand, they were never told they couldn't so they just figured it out...
Manufacturing date "1561"?? A little bit early in the history of firearms ;-)
Henry the 8th had a revolver before this date
Didn't he also invent air?
And it's rather strange to think that guns existed over 350 years before that!
Maybe it means 15 June 2001.
This very well might have been the date from a different starting point than the birth of christ. What that date is I have no idea.
i like how a bore thats in the center is a nice touch xD
ALMOST in the center. LMAO! :D
You couldn't pay me to fire that thing unless it was with a really long string, and I was behind a really big tree.
Mosin Nagant
I would pay to shoot it with a string from behind a tree as long as it has high speed camera's pointed at it. I think you could make a nice bet out of it, will it blow up on first shot, and if not, how many can it take?
+Xc31 Somebody call Mythbusters
I can honestly say that that thing looks like one of the most dangerous items I have ever seen. It is more of a pipe bomb than a pistol and looks like it was made, not in a machine shop, but a blacksmiths forge. Just the thought of firing a round like .303 British out of a contraption like that is putting chills down my spine.
Khyber Pass guns are truly my favorite type of obscure guns because of the crazy mashups of features not found on the originals. I once saw an underfolder AK-74 copy. If you didn’t already know, they were never made in Russia with underfolding stocks, but side folding triangular ones.
If you ever come across one, I'd love to see an episode examining a Kabul Arsenal martini - which were made in 303. British tooling, engineers and trainers for the local techs. Definitely not junk copies.
For students of Khyber pass weaponry, I recommend a film made after these fine weapons called "Carry on up the Khyber"
Look at that wide headspace!
To be fair, that is the space for the rim of the .303 cartridge, and is appropriate.
Forgotten Weapons Speaking of which, maybe you can enlighten me on something I've never quite understood with Martini-Henries: is the entire rear of the cartridge face fully supported by the face of the breechblock when the action is closed? As far as I can tell from photos, the breechblock pivot is pretty much on the barrel centerline. Yet, for the breechblock to rotate downward around that point, the upper front would have to be relieved to clear the cartridge rear, which means it's not fully supported.
I hope that makes some sense! I'd really like to see an original CAD drawing (well, alright, not exactly CAD in those days....) of a MH action.....
*****
www.rifleman.org.uk/Martini-Henry_action.htm
Forgotten Weapons Thanks for the link - that's the best diagram I've seen so far. So it looks like the "knuckle" is level with the _top_ of the chamber, rather than the middle - that would explain how the block is free to rotate downwards. However, it looks like some fraction of the force would then be transmitted down through the locking lever. Probably not much, given the small angle it's at.
I really want to make a model of this action some day ;-) Just saw you had a video on the Lee 1875 - will go and watch that now.
Forgotten Weapons Have you ever come across a Peabody rifle?
Did you ever answer the phone?
Exactly what I’ve come to expect from these extinguished gentlemen of kyber pass
i was grinning through this whole video, then i just lost it at "the bore is -almost- centered in the barrel, a nice touch."
That thing is hilarious! Sort of a Khyber version of an Obrez pistol, except made by a long lost twin to the guy who built that Chinese BrowningsBrowningsBrownings pistol!
Even this guy's 5 year old videos are genuinely entertaining.
"Welcome to Khyber Pass, where guns go to die and be questionably reborn."
Forgotten Weapons Fantastic stuff dude, I've been fortunate to see a couple of Khyber Pass weapons that have been brought back by friends of mine in the service (hush hush, it's a lot more grey than it is stateside) and I've generally been very impressed with the craftsmanship on them.
One was a Enfield MK5 copy (God knows what one of those was doing in Afghanistan to begin with!) and it was seriously on par with the quality of the pieces I have seen in the Royal Armoury Museum (somewhere that I'd highly recommend a visit to if you ever come to the UK, there are some pieces that'd likely make you shit a brick) or the Imperial War Museum (another location I'd highly recommend, doubly so if you've an interest in military vehicles as well, they've Monty's command tank, a HE 162 Volksjager and a daft amount more). Of course I'm not sure how i'd compare it's innards with the actual article as I'd dare not take it apart and I've had no opportunity to do so with the official article, but it really did seem on par.
Please keep posting interesting and peculiar items, it's the main reason I like your channel as much as I do. Curious items from 19th century Europe would deffo be appreciated (like those harmonica guns).
So yes, thank you for allowing someone who has no access to firearms whatsoever continue to explore them as a hobby.
Answer your phone Ian
This was one of my first videos from this channel. I'm glad I watched it!
I’m so glad you’ve upgraded your sound equipment since this was filmed
I know this is old... but I kept waiting and waiting to hear the magic line "I wouldn't recommend you fire this." And when you finally said it I totally burst out laughing.
That pistol makes creating an 'Obrez' pistol from a damaged Nagant in a Stalingrad basement seem like the heights of technical sophistication. At least the action of the Nagant is hardened steel.
Will it chamber and eject a dummy .303 round? It is totally obvious this pistol is not to be fired.
9 years later... For some reason UA-cam has been putting this video at the top of my feed for a week now. So like a pop song stuck in my head, Imma watch just to make it go away.
I like your videos. Professional and clear.
I would love a shootable version of that gun. I love the idea of having a rifle cartridge in a pistol, the idea always intrigued the shit out of me.
A multitude of such weapons exist, from stuff like the original sawed off obrez to newer stuff like that one single shot tank piercer in 50. BMG to midline stuff like the AM III
"Bore is almost centered in the barrel... which is a nice touch."
Yeah we've been so badly spoiled here in the west, having the gull to expect centered bores and all...
Whoever stamped that gun was high AF
"The bore is ALMOST centered in the barrel, which is a nice touch." Man, that just made me chuckle.
Me: Mom, I want Enfield
Mom: We have Enfield at home
The Enfield at home:
Haha I remember seeing crap like this at the bazar at Kandahar Airfield. There was always something in the "antique" line, be it coins or guns etc. And yes, I did see more than one happy coalition serviceman buying and walking out with junk like this on a Saturday afternoon.
BTW, Ian. Your pronunciation of "Regina" is slightly off. Try Ree-g-hi-na instead of Ree-gee-na At least, that's how we pronounce the name of the capital of Saskatchewan, Regina. And it was named in honour of Queen Victoria.
Saskatchewanis have frogs for tongues, listen not to their pronunciation.
The markings are great! If only the proof house at Enfield had really been this artistic...
that thing is crazy man, seriously cool stuff!!!
"The bore is almost centered in the barrel which is a nice touch." LOL
4:51 "The bore is almost centered in the barrel, which is a nice touch." Lol
I like all the crude handmade guns you show.
that was very informative. I did a couple deployments to Afghanistan and there were a lot of firearms like this. thanks for great video
Give ya 10 bucks for it.
+Electronicdawg Thrift store would be a better home for this thing.
+Asher Davis Might make a good door stop.
+Electronicdawg I'll pay you 20 bucks to fire it.
I sense Battlefield 1 DLC with this coming.
As accurate as the game itself!
Ottoman Empire exclusive!
I have one that a gunsmith buddy re-barrelled in 45LC. It now sports a 10" bull barrel and a rear, adjustable aperture sight. It shoots very well.
This video put visiting the scenic Khyber Pass on my bucket list.
were breech locks phased out within 10 years? Lever action with a tubular magazine seems way more effective
Conner K Ward militaries didn't like tubular magazines so these sort of one shot rifles lasted for quite a while. Tubular magazines are pretty unreliable, you can't have spitzer bullets either, but that was an issue later on the 19th century. most lever actions with tubular magazines use quite small cartridges, not sure why this is, the odd shape of early rifle cartridges particularly like that of the Martini wouldn't work well in a tube mag
fdsdh1
seen one of these in Afghanistan, was used by a kid to try to put a hole in a buddies body armor., never went off but had a 303 in the chamber... no firing pin.
Thank you for your service.
Thanks. Good insight and humor.
What an awesome intro!!
Well.
I found my next holiday destination.
Better pack sunscreen, body armour, and a small militia.
i can imagine the recoil on this one
I really like the band aid on Your left thumb - indicating a somewhat unsafe weapon - likely to turn and bite its owner rather than the nasty enemy.
Interesting comments here from a lot of folks who probably have never picked up a metal file in their lives. Considering that piece was largely handmade by simple hand tools in primitive condition I would say the craftsman who built it was not some unskilled hack, give them a little credit where it is due. Would I shoot it, no, but I can certainly appreciate the effort that went into building it.
the phone going off lmao
Dale Gribble
you sir are my nemesis....
“1561 is not an appropriate date” LOL
Took me a few minutes to realize just how insane this demon gun really is.
I know I can't be the only person who really only watches Ian's videos at 2 or 3am
oh my god random person stop phoning ian he's teaching us about bootleg guns!!
I'm going to the khyber pass to tell them if they could make me a Hellrigel M1915
Just show them the very few real images of it's internals. Then let them do their thing.
Hello, I'm not a gun person, I think that your youtube channel appeared on my timeline because of my interest in watches. However, I've really enjoyed watching your channel about these interesting guns and their history. I guess that I just enjoy this kind of manufacturing with small parts and their engineering, along with their history.
He kept getting a call during filming. I bet it was the gunsmith to say this was 100% legit antique Enfield 333333333333
battlefield 1 DLC????
Ian Pemberton
no stop
gmg921
It will never end
its time to stop
Ian Pemberton that would be awsome
wow, that's some nice junk
Nor_Ktm
Now that sounds just like a lustful comment made by the wide-eyed starlet of a grade D port flick as she pulled Ron Jeremy's shorts to his ankles.......
whoever made that must have one hell of a sense of humor.
I find myself coming back just to listen to the intro music more often than I'd like to admit
Who's calling?
Jose That would be the fine people at the Khyber Division of EnfieldEnfieldEnfield, trying to contact Forgotten Weapons about a safety recall involving one of their pistols...
Why exactly would the gun blow up? Would the recoil and inner explosion be too much, break the breach, and then what?
Either the breech ring would be unable to hold the pressure of firing, or the unsupported section of the case between the chamber and breechblock would rupture on firing.
Forgotten Weapons Thank you, are tourists notified of this on purchase?
Probably wouldn't get a good price if they did...
Khyber Pass Copies are made with what ever local materials are available. That Includes Bad Quality Steel unsuitable for anything Else. Obviously those things cannot handle the Pressure of the guns firing. Now for Tourists being informed, officially only Tribal People and Pakistani Citizens can Buy those guns. But If you give the Tribal Police some "TEA MONEY", they look the other way and a collector can be on their merry way.
I am guessing its becaue the BARREL IS CROOKED lol
This is the gunsmithing equivalent to the "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" scene in The Shining
0:12 Your intro of the bolt coming out of battery on that rifle scared the hell out of me!
Please tell me I'm not the only one bothered by the phone vibrating...
1561, wow nice, lol.
I love the upside down ENFIELD stamping.
Dude the khyber pass is awesome i got an antique enfield and a pair of air jorbams all at the same shop