Sunngård Automatic Pistol: 50 Rounds in 1909
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Harald Sunngård was Norwegian inventor in the early years of the 20th century who noticed a common perceived weakness of automatic pistols: reloads under stress were often bungled by shooters, leaving them vulnerable to return fire without being able to shoot back. Doing the classic inventor thing, Sunngård figured out a solution to the problem - a two-part solution, in fact. The first part of his solution was to use a big magazine and a small cartridge, to maximize magazine capacity. The second part of his solution was to store a spare magazine right in the magazine well of the pistol for immediate use.
The grip of the pistol is long enough front-to-back to store two identical magazines. The front magazine sits higher than the rear one, and the boltface on the slide feeds rounds from the front magazine into the chamber. Once the front magazine is empty, the shooter ejects it, and need only slide the rear magazine into the front position (and rack the slide) to continue shooting. There is a misconception that the pistol will fire automatically from both magazines in succession, but this is not true.
In addition to having the handy spare available, Sunngard designed the magazines to hold no fewer than 25 cartridges each (in the more common 6.5mm chambering). This gave the pistol a total of 50 rounds stored on-board, which was a major point in Sunngard’s marketing.
The 6.5mm cartridge designed for the pistol had a 23mm overall length, and used a 19mm case. The projectile was a scant 28.5 grains (1.85 gram), and Sunngard claimed a muzzle velocity of just under 2000 ft/s (600 m/s) - which is almost certainly an exaggeration. There was also an 8mm version of the pistol made in much smaller numbers, which fired an equally light projectile (29gr / 1.88g), and may have gotten closer to the claimed velocity (magazines for the 8mm version held 18 rounds each).
The main magazine catch is basically a heel release on the front edge of the magazine well, and it is pushed back in the typical manner to allow the primary magazine to be removed. Then the rear magazine is pulled slightly forward and down as if to remove it from the gun. The rear magazine is then slid forward into the front position and pushed back up to lock into place on the magazine catch. A pair of small guides at the top of the magazine well prevent the magazine from being pushed backwards into the now-empty space for the spare magazine, and these guides are the reason the spare mag must be pulled down and then pushed back up. When initially loading the pistol, the spare magazine is inserted first, and locked back into its compartment. Then the primary magazine is inserted just like in any other pistol.
Sunngard apparently tried hard to market the pistol to a variety of military forces, but found no takers. He was able to get the gun entered into the 1914 Norwegian military trials, where it was bested by the Colt 1911 (we don’t have a testing report from the trials, which would be very interesting to read). If I had to guess based on the general attitudes of the day, I would suspect that Ordnance officers found the reloading process awkward, the cartridge underpowered, and the need for a very high capacity pistol unconvincing.
Mechanically, the Sunngard is pretty simple. It uses a plain blowback action, as no locking system is necessary for its small cartridge. The barrel is fixed to the receiver, and a recoil spring is located around the barrel and inside the barrel shroud/slide.
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"It doesn't matter when your first hit is weak when you got 24 more following it" - Ghandi
Unless the other guy really wants to kill you.😬
In that case nothing is strong enough.😉
Nuclear Holocaust Causing Ghandi Flashbacks.
The future we will be using nature as a weapon. Imagine summoning tsunamis or hurricanes and punish countries.. this day and age anything is possible now. -Dr seuss
It does if hes wearing enough cloths -me
I bet I could beat up 25 toddlers easy, but I would be beaten up by one martial arts master.
How did this not end up in Battlefield 1, it's exactly the kind of rare pieces they added
ChaosPotato Norway was not directly a part of WW1, but I guess that game isn't as historically accurate (refer to Ian's video earlier), so it should have made a nice fit. :3c
Exactly! Since 20 soldiers could wield a drum-fed Hellriegel at once when there was only one, EVER and the drum didn't even work, why not this gun!
A 50 round pistol could probably end up being a balance issue.
Just make its damage poop
Maybe you could ask EA. Maybe they could include it as a microtransaction haha
"Maybe it looks longer than it really is because its so small in diameter"
I felt that
That's sad With the name 'Johnson'
Tiny wangs unite!!!!
Your girlfriend didn't.
The man they called "Noodle"...
@@joergmaass oh....
With such a high capacity magazine and such a small round, it really would have shined as a machine pistol
I thought the same darn thing! A heat shield would be good though! lol
Oooo yeah..
@@toki89666 you can drop and slam a new clip in. Then another. And still keep the back up clip well,back. In the larger 8mm fairly close to present day pistol size a 18 round clip is for a 100+ year gun is incredible and a 36 round pistol well...
@@toki89666 no. it holds 50 rounds and 25 extra in the holster! 75. idiot!!!!!!!!!!!
G r a h a m Magazine. It’s not a bolt action, it doesn’t use clips.
And here we have an early art deco Pez dispenser from Norway.
I feel compelled to quote Preditor 2, "want some candy?" directed to Bill Paxton shortly before dispatching him....
Haha this comment got me.
Wait you dont have ballistic candy..? That's just a Norway thing..? Huh...
I felt that one xD
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's the gun i drew when i was 4! :D
Hahaha
j 😂😂😂😂😂
j :):):):):)
Ha!!
me too!
WhatAreYouSaying? Countdown until you get it
I love anything from a design era where the 'rules' hadn't been worked out yet, and you see engineers doing all sorts of things....
I know, now its just the same thing over and over. Props to Kel Tec for at least being creative
I wish there was more inivation these days when it comes to guns.
@@leelandlagasse6517 Check out air guns. New tech coming out all the time
"...75 rounds of ammunition."
That's some end game gear right there
Trying to punch a light .25 caliber round through winter clothing would have been problematic. I am reminded of a line in a Mark Twain story about the black powder S&W .22. "If you shoot me with that thing and I find out about it..."
Brilliant quote
@@codymaynard85 I read somewhere that in the korea war the soldiers with thick winter coats were still standing after being shot multiple times by an m1 carbine. These coats are kinda protecting in longer range
@Lord Lolland That's a brilliant story.
Lord Lolland same happened with Otto Von Bismark. Someone tried to assassinate him with a small caliber, barrel less black powder revolver. Just bruised him and made him pissed off.
@no candy would sound so much better if you understood the proper usage of the word through.
I'm surprised the holster doesn't double as a stock.
Z M I was hoping to see another pistol in there just because.
Hell I'm surprised they didn't just put another magazine in the holster to stiffen it out into a stock.
The cartridge sounds like a pea shooter so it probably doesn’t need one
That’s a German thing and kinda Russian thing
For me it looks like it could double as stocking pouch...
Imagine taking your design that holds 50 rounds to a military trial, and then you lose out to someone with a gun that holds 7 rounds. He must be so confused why he didnt win the contract
@Anthony Swiss Maybe because shooting soldiers in thick clothing with what was effectively a slightly stronger .22LR wasn't exactly an ideal thing to do.
@Anthony Swiss Go back to the past time traveler
It looks like it was quite the labor of love. It also looks like it wouldn't be especially durable, particularly the magazines and how they fit in the gun.
Interesting idea. I wonder what a 9 mil. grip would look like with two mags stacked in front of eachother.
Pretty sure it would have failed due to ergonomics and horrid magazine controls. The second magazine would be near impossible to load quickly.
This in 2mm kolibri with 8000 rounds capacity
What about an American 180 in 2mm kolibri?
Beees!!!
@@Jabberwockybird That would actually be fun little toy but a reloading device for those mags would be a must!
Oh and picture it.
Home invader: "LOL what are you going to do to me with that toy gun?"
Toy gun: "Brrrrrrrrrrrrt!"
Home invader:
@@marvindebot3264 fuck now I want one luckily I'm getting two paintball pistols to load with riot balls and strong pepper balls that the police would use
😂
+4000 in the holster.
_"The olden days Five-seveN"_
I was thinking olden days PMR-30.
Lol, quite true.
I'd honestly take the Sunngard over a PMR-30 because all Kel-tec's guns are poorly made trash.
Nonsense
Oldey Timey Seven Fivey
This is the most beautiful ugly gun I've ever seen.
Awful taste but great execution
@Lord Admiral Spire say that when ur out of your 7 AMMO...................................... Did u know a caliber 22 is more deadly then a 45??? no? because u dont know pistols!
That's exactly what I thought. Man that's uuuug.....well.. ugly? but nice looking.. both? my eye's don't know what to make of it.
its like the Willem Dafoe of firearms lol
@@HandFromCoffin r/confusedboner
lul
"How often do you need to reload?"
Sunngård: "No."
NEVER
If you have to reload
**cocks lmg**
Then you didn't come prepared
Sunngård: NEI
2 times
Do you mean ‘move magazine?”
this is legitimately the coolest ".22 plinker" type pistol I've ever seen, it's too bad they're an exceedingly rare historical piece because even though it came out in 1909, if it was still being made today, i'd probably buy one lol.
Someone should make a reproduction piece for us history enthusiasts.
Out of everything Ian's covered so far, I have never wanted to own a firearm so badly. The mechanical uniqueness, the gorgeous shape, even the odd handle all combine to make me wish I wasn't totally broke.
Ha
Really? This is one of the ugliest things I've ever seen.
Felt bud
gorgeous shape? this thing is the ugliest pistol Ive ever seen! 😅 and the mechanism to shift the second mag forward seems super fiddly and more of a pain than just carrying a second one or having it clipped onto the weapon somewhere. I think Id rather do a normal reload than try to slide that thing forward and backward every time
The gun is rare.... And ammunition is gonna be as easy to find as sasquatch
And when you do find that sasquatch, you'll be able to light him up...Biggly.
Me: Hi, do you guys sell 8x19mm?
Gun store clerk: You mean 9x19, right? Chuckles.
Me:....... err, no.
I wonder if it could be formed and trimmed from 30 carbine brass.
Blurry ammunition?
Christopher MacLennan 😂😂
2:02 “25mm” ah yes, an anti-material pistol. 🤣
You better cover your ears ;)
@@Reuel-Jazwa and have robotic arm to hold recoil
And still hold 50 rounds
Especially at 2000ft/Sec. that would, assuming average weight for a 25mm projectile of 260g, give it 520000 joule KE.
So yeah, sadly it aint so, but that would be....^^
Fallout can build it, I am sure.
if you enable the caption, gun jesus corrected it to .25 caliber
Henry: Gun you can load on Sunday and shoot all week.
Sunngard: Gun you can load on Memorial Day and shoot all Summer.
IT IS NOT SUNNGARD IT IS SUNNGÅRD
@@ostekakeutenost1308 SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW HOW TO WRITE Å
@@madalheidis å, må si meg enig der
@@aslaka5466 Pardon?
I know it’s a famous quote but it always reminds me of the novel “Rifles for Waite”
You all probably figured this out, but at 5:40 Hg is Hectograms aka hundreds of grams. It threw me off for a second because I was thinking Mercury
I thought it meant mercury too, and I was wondering who would base a weight system off of a toxic metal.
Soviet who Cuts Small bullet at high velocity? Sounds like it’d do alright against armor
The Rogue Wolf The same people who used a toxic metal to measure temperature (especially in thin, fragile glass tubes made to be placed in one's mouth). ⚖️🌡
There actually was a x-com-like-game where the aliens geared up with their fancy shield which became increasingly stronger against beam weapons (which you would have acquired by that point) and increasingly more susceptible to traditional ballistic weapons...
And there was also x-com apocalypse, where you could develop a toxigun, using lethal poison to deal damage - mercury anyone? ^^
Was it Ufo: Aftermath / Aftershock / Afterlight? Dont remember any more, sorry
When you forget to uncheck "bottomless clip" in the game settings
mannys9130 it's a video game reference. I think you missed the joke
mannys9130 you might've heard a wooshing sound above your head...that was the joke.
OP: quality joke!
Michael Miner
WHAT, 9000? THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT!
The best forgotten weapon. Hey Ian do a review of the BFG9000
Who else thought it said "bottomless cup" when they first seen it in game
“That’s a Sunngard, and you’ve had your fifty.”
I imagine that holding that thing feels a lot like trying to hold a Hershey bar.
A hershey bar that fires *50* rounds in one go.
Sweet.
@@jehoiakimelidoronila5450 you clearly didn't watch the video
Ian; That is amazing. There is nothing here that is conventional for the time. I would say that it would seem to have come from Mars if it didn't have another meaning. Striker fire when most firearms used hammers. Unique cartridge. Strange disconnect and takedown. Double stack. Unconventional sights. Great job on this video.
Once again proves, people like improvements not innovation
somewhere, a California legislator feels a shiver come down their spine
Joshua Grahm ban it for our children
That shiver down their spine is the breath of uncle Sam, a bald eagle, and lady liberty on their necks.
Not even close this gun is illegal on multiple way, it's not on rooster, it doesn't have a micro stamp firing pin, to high capacity mags, not drop safe. See we are safe, all because of a supreme all knowing leader, *cough cough* I mean legistrater....
Joshua Grahm 100 shot tactical black assault smg pistol
Haven Shaud lol
As a firearm salesman, this in 25 ACP would sell like hot cakes. Especially if you slimmed the grip and went with one 25 round magazine at a time. Call it the Sunngard 25.
You just describing it made me want to buy one
Designed for a 29 grain bullet.
Cci stingers, lightest fastest "standard" 22lr are 32 grains.
I could see a single 25 round mag in 25 ACP, scaled down a bit for market and design purposes - you might have something there that's doable and would sell - if it works.
IF
Big IF
@@markvickroy6725 Oh I’m not saying the project wouldn’t require significant re-engineering, but if done right it would sell
any double stack 25acp would be cool. someone speculated what if history went differently and we had 25lr, and everything that is today available in 22lr was to be available in 25lr. that would be awesome..
To my current understanding 25 acp is the worst handgun round ever made. Why do people desire it?
Hi. 7:33
This was a very interesting video for a norwegian that have shot an example of that pistol apprx 30 years ago on a shooting range in Vestby. A smal place in the South East part of Norway. The inventor, Harald Sundby came from a farm in the area named Sundby. My father (born in 1925) told me that he was told that Harald was the forfather to a machine gun too. The german "buzz saw". My father was told that germans came to Harald, and he let them see a prototype, and they bought the drawings. One condition though: the gun could not be used in warfare. The history told us how that vent.
Kåre Grovan
As a Norwegian i appreciate the correct use of Å. Most people get it wrong or just use A instead. Thanks!
Paal Aaseng Stubbrud With the exception of IPhones and iPads finding devices with keyboards that include such characters can be difficult, especially in the US where we don't use many of them.
Now if they also learned to pronounce it correctly... "å" is pronounced approximately "aw" while "u" is pronounced "oo", so the name is pronounced roughly "Soon-gawrd" with short "oo" and a long "n".
@@jarmokankaanpaa6528 no, the D is silent, so “soon-gore”
@@Squossifrage Yes, assuming the person is Norwegian or Danish; the R is also more gutteral than the American Midwestern R and in Danish would be nearly indistinguishable. However, the same name could also be Swedish, in which case the D would be pronounced (except possibly in Scania) but the U would be different (closer to Ü). In any case, the discussion was about vowels rather than consonants, which vary in regional Scandinavian dialects even more than the vowels. It would be impossible to give a non-speaker a general rule-of-thumb on how to pronounce Scandinavian names correctly since you would need to know not only which country but also which specific region the person in question derives from. Still, any form of "Skandinaviska" is preferable to pronunciation by English rules.
@@jarmokankaanpaa6528 Harald Sunngård was Norwegian.
11:42, the forgotten weapons precision disassembly tool has failed us in its absence.
Absolutely fascinating firearm Ian. Incredible ingenuity 100+ years ago. For me this Suungard pistol ranks in the the top 5 of all firearms you have reviewed. Completely mezmerizing. I cannot thank you enough for introducing this unique firearm. Practicality aside, it's an amazing example of cool firearm engineering respecting so many aspects. I have watched the video multiple times and will do so repeatedly.
Imagine that holster doubling as a carbine stock. Perfect little package for pilot survival. Effective on small game, certainly enough to kill a close-in enemy.
You see Ivan, if all magazine are in gun, who reloads is never an issue
"No need to electrical tape magazines together Tovarisch, I put all mags into weapon at once."
@@mablo88123 I thought his name was Ian?
this is a honor, you reviewing norwegian weapon for your norwegian fans
i am actually norwegian too!!! I LOVE SKIING
Half_Finis gotta say, you guys make some funky looking, but very interesting guns.
I love Norwegian guns
I'm American and I think it's really cool too. I believe appreciation of historic weapons transcends national, racial, and ethnic boundaries. It's part of my creed. I'm a bit like a Mandalorian in that regard. ;-)
Absolutely gorgeous gun. Imagine inventing such a high capacity handgun before it was common knowledge that the handle needs to be slanted *away* from the barrel.
Incredibly innovative for 1909. I love it. Practical or not , it's a really cool design
I really dig the Art Deco looking pattern on the grip panels. Really makes me want to either try and make a pair myself or have some made for something liked a nicely blued 1911.
That model number 1909 font is so typical of the age that were used on house numbers and such. It has so much more attraction as a civilian garden / parlour pistol than the trenches and woodlands.
those circular paterns are typical old norse.. not archetypical... but still old norse style
alexander johansen That's a good observation.
It looks like an oversized lighter
Andrew Dalton Ray
man, you are everywhere!
TheFriendlyAR-15 in5.56: I guess I’ll be the next Justin y.
Andrew Dalton Ray
hmm, dont now him.
TheFriendlyAR-15 in5.56: Justin y. Is another UA-camr who has been commenting more than I have and believe me he too is everywhere. Here is his channel: m.ua-cam.com/channels/iTfB-A55Vq2fB610vaWJVA.html
Andrew Dalton Ray
he comments even gun related things?
You know it's something special when he starts off with a joyful look on his face
“Only holds 18 rounds, which is still more than any modern service pistol”
FN 5-7 HAS ENTERED THE CHAT
But it's got two of em'
Five-seveN is not a modern service pistol as such, it's frankly a bit too boutique even compared to its P90 relative.
what military uses FiveseveN as a service pistol?
@@kamikazemelon787 the Belgian army does
@@kamikazemelon787 Mexican army does
I still want to see the 25mm version you talked about...
You mean .25 acp, right? Cause the one in the video is .25 caliber as well, it merely needs a rechamber and a purpose designed magazine. Perhaps a dedicated recoil spring, and I'm not sure if I saw an extractor, but by being blowback, probably not, so, it could use one.
mannys9130
Well, now I feel silly. But I'd kinda like to see a four bore version as well!
i want to see a .25 version too
TeeJayEm ask Anton from Hotdogs horseshoes and handgrenades about it he will at least make one in VR
Anyone who can fire a 25mm pistol more than once does not need a pistol.
Gun Jesus brings us another bizarre early 20th century pistol. I love this shit
This is actually a very badass gun and way ahead of it's time, and probably would have been very effective in combat even with the smaller caliber, and probably shot very flat even at long distances.
The leather on that case is gorgeous. Thanks for showing us all the different mechanisms. What a shame we can't see it fire.
"If this isn't the coolest early high capacity pistol you've seen, i need to know about it"
Well, you made videos about the Guycot and the Colette Gravity pistol, those were cool in their own right, although this one's actually practical :p
Wow! Ian you finally showed the gun that makes the "F" on forgotten. Lol!
Now naming it the “Hollywood gun”.
That is the most interesting pistol I’ve ever seen .
The double stack was ahead of the curve the amount of ammo is unthinkable back then .
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"Long and skinny"
"Cocked position"
Reported for inapropriate content.
lol
It's absolutely delightful, I love it. Such a unique approach.
your videos are fantastic, I enjoy seeing the operation and engineering diferencies over the years and countries. thank you
You have found it at last! The first pistol that I think is super cool, that I have no desire to possess. Thanks for keeping the wonderful videos coming, I so look forward to your videos to keep me alert and learning even more about the subject I had once immersed myself in for over 16 years, back when I had a paycheck and could afford such luxuries.
looking at the operation, I think the "disconnector" is an auto sear, and this is a machine pistol. If the slide cams it down each cycle, and the trigger is held back, it fires full auto till you release the trigger like a sub gun. probably even more collectable than described.
Sear engagement is how triggers are "tuned", which might have the undesirable effect of rendering them NOT drop safe. Factory triggers tend to be long in the tooth so things don't get bumpy
I really enjoy every episode I watch and marvel at the ingenuity of the engineers that design these creations.
I have really enjoyed the views of late 19th century and early 20tt century semi-automatic pistols. So many have this steam punk aura. So many ideas and innovations. It is really interesting to see how many features are retained by modern pistols and how the early developments lead to the modern semi-automatic guns. Keep up the cool stuff like this.
of all the guns I've seen on this channel I most want to see this in action of most of them so far! What an unusual autoloader!
That grip angle hurts my soul every time I see this in my recommendations
That pistol is just cool, it seems very futuristic to me, very interesting channel you have ,keep up the great job you do in explaining it all!
It almost seems like it has drifted into our reality, through some tear in the fabrics of time and alternate reality, ..... almost steampunkish !
if you think this is other worldly and steampunkish check out his video on the g11
Eh, the G11 doesn't feel nearly as steampunk-y
@@vizzy61 did you not see the internals?
I have seen the nightmare like internals of the G11. I stand by what I said.
Wonderful little gun. I like it! Ian seemed really infatuated with it more than usual. Would love to see an up date on it.
Now this is a pistol that could've used two barrels; One over the other, each feeding from another magazine.
Best channel ever brother, keep the beautiful history coming.👍👍👏👏👏
Nothing is made so well these days.That pistol is a work of art and ingenuity. Beauty.
Awesome video as always Ian! I just wanted you to know that the letter "å" is pronounced like the french word "eau", or a bit like the english word "oh". It's truly an amazing piece of kit that gun! It would be amazing to see you fire it and tell us how it feels. Just thinking about the somewhat awkward grip position and sights. Keep it up, sir!
"This is the safety that likes to move around a bit" :\
Whoever made this clearly put a lot of work into it. So many novelties in one little pistol, I don't want but need one.
The reloading procedure looks awkward enough that I myself would rather just drop a mag & reload from my belt
Man, if you would have this video a little earlier, it might have made it into Battlefield 1...
Perfect little automatic pistol
Lol, I can imagine Devs rummaging through Ian's vids for ideas.
i thought it was April 1st again cause he said 50 and an extra mag of 25.
thonk > "how you git dat gun full of boolet?"
"all i had to do iz put too boolet squars on it an it workd"
i suggest you to watch?v=6i-nMWgBUp0 - where Aperture Labs explain how to get more bullet per bullet.
@OP I really like your particular use of the Norwegian language. Beautifully said my friends.
@Soviet who Cuts ORKS?!?!? FOR THE EMPORER! CHARGE!
The more I look at this gun the more I’m infinitely fascinated by it. I just love the unique look of the weapon :3
I have this exact gun. It’s a joy. My eyes aren’t what they used to be and I have trouble with the narrow sights but I still love it.
Wow, double double stacks... BTW Pronunciation is close to Soon-Goard. (or soon-gourd depending how you pronounce gourd)
Alexandru Ianu week old comment on a vid that came out today....
Ryan D because he probably helped put it in or had a link to check for errors before it went public.
could also be pronounced "soon-gore", depending on dialect
Ryan, patreons get access to videos a week in advance.
Back to the Future
If this guy had just used a more conventional caliber and didn't do the stupid double magazine thing this gun could have just been ~15-20 rounds of something close to 9x19 and way ahead of its time
I totally agree. This is a good example of trying too hard.
It's a bit weird because it seems like just a little reworking would have made it work
@@charlesprichard5235 People may shit on 22 lr but at least it's Decently capable of killing. The rounds this thing uses look like they'd be largely ineffective for anything but shots to the head.
But if youve got that many rounds in the gun it doesnt matter that theyre that small.
It could've been the 5-7
Amazing little firearm. Thank you for showing this.
Incredible. Way ahead of its time in multiple ways.
Hindsight tips for norwegian military trials:
1: Drop the silly double magazine thing
2: Make the cartridge more potent
3: Lock the breech
Instant adoption given the only thing speaking against the Colt was that it wasnt Norwegian made...
#2 like:
Keep the diameter of the bullet, but double bullet weight (by adding a little length and a pointy tip) and lengthen the case to 25mm?
Still 25rds per mag, but with a lot more potential.
Suddenly the FiveSeven is reduced to being just a mere copy...
Yeah, but body armor wasn't really a thing back then, so why have a FiveSeven ahead of the time when it became actually needed?
That's pretty amazing. I sure would like to see this beauty on the range.
Disposable chopstick is my new favorite firearm disassembly tool, lol! Great video as always, I would totally buy a version of this gun made for modern ammo. It would make a perfect plinker.
Whoa! I was sure the barrel was pinned to the frame! I was surprised on disassembly. What an awesome design
That grip angle seems weird
I suspect it is designed to the odd single handed grip common in those days where the elbow and wrist are bent in opposite directions.
@@owllymannstein7113 you also have to have a derby hat and cigar in your mouth while firing
@Cho Chan and your left hand in your back pocket or waistband
It’s custom made for that guy from barge Walking Dead who does not know how to aim a revolver.
Love to see a modern remake of this.
What an incredible piece of engineering
A really strange idea, IMHO, to chamber such a weenie round in a hi cap pistol design, at any time-Great video, as always!-John in Texas
I miss when this channel was Forgotten Bergmanns...
But, everyone complained about that back then.
Bergmanns for weeks
I miss Forgotten Berthiers
I've read some of the reports from that Norwegian trail, and while I don't remember what they said about this specific pistol, all of the indigenous designs they tested were kinda goofy and pathetic. The only reason the trails took so long was because the Norwegians really wanted to hold out for a good indigenous design, but it never came.
TheGoldenCaulk where does one get one hands on such reports? I feel a ferociously geeky afternoon coming on
Buy the book _Kongsberg-Colten_ by Karl Egil Hanevik. +400 pages of information, mostly about the M1914 pistol, but it also covers the trails that lead up to it's adoption and the various competitors. It's also entirely in Norwegian, so get ready to bust out that google translate...
TheGoldenCaulk thanks bruv.
Or one can ask a person who speaks both do some translation for you, since I live in the eponymous town the pistol is named , I may be so inclined ;-)
Long duk dong Correcting that typo took some real superiority hahaha
One thing I learned really quickly when I was tinkering with guns, pistolsmithing, and studying small arms history was that guns may very well be the only marketing sector that is almost completely immune to rule of cool. It also is one of the few sectors where end users are actually acutely aware of concerns like logistics and design compromise. Lots of people want to make a cool new cartridge that will change ballistics as we know them... until no one wants to buy an oddball expensive cartridge when there's 10,000,000,000 rounds of .45 and 9x19 out there already. And here we see that the novelty of having 50 rounds onboard in a handgun, remarkable as that was, especially in that time period, does not trump more utilitarian concerns like cartridge performance, mechanical reliability, and awkward ergonomics.
Stop trying to sound like an expert. You probably just read a bit about guns and call that studying and pistolsmithing.
Thank you from Norway, teaching us. Thanks,love it the insights to enginering .the way from vikings to NSM or JSM. Nice stuff all.
Never heard of this. This is impressive.
Though I can't help but wonder if a single magazine wouldn't have been a better choice. "Only" 25 rounds, yes, but less mechanic complexity, a more comfortable grip, and he could have probably used a slightly heavier bullet - assuming here that the low weight was not only for recoil control, but also to limit the length of the case.
Still cool piece of history.
Always love to see the scandi stuff. Hope you'll get to do the swedish 1871 revolver at some point.
Every once in awhile I have the desire to revisit some of my favorite guns, this one, while not on my must have list is intriguing that said, I wonder if it were not meant to have first the front mag emptied, then the extra mag from the holster, and at last the back "reserve" magazine for those awe shit moments when you absolutely need to shoot that fellow 75 times with a very anemic round, one of those "if you ever shoot me with one of those, and I find out about it...,"
Finally an example of "reloading your sidearm is faster than switching guns"
Theory: they put the barrel downward like that so that the recoil would make the gun more accurate
Doubles the frontsight posts andere the Rearside "ears" as nightsight/quick aquisition sight?
That is partially what I was thinking.
Also with the wings possibly for leading targets.
I had no idea that Bakelite was that old! Wikipedia tells me it was developed in 1907, and patented in 1909, so that was the high-tech cutting-edge stuff when this was developed.
I really love all of these videos. I would really like to see some ammo along with them
wow fire 25 , take the first mag out, push the second mag forward, fire another 25, pull the second mag back, insert the 3rd mag in the front position
Serious question is it quicker to eject the mag slide the second forward or just load a fresh mag from the belt? I honestly think with training it can’t be that different and you get higher power rounds (albeit fewer rounds) per mag in the more standard semi automatics of the period
123 456 I think the intention was to drop the first, reload from the belt and then you still have one left on the gun if you somehow still need to shoot
How are you supposed to load that rear mag?
Sarlac Watch the video again.
Robert I think your exactly right. Plus where are you putting the empty magazine if you didn't plus one from the belt? You can't just drop it on the ground, that would be ludacris.
Sarlac Disassemble the gun then load it. If you need to load it, you also need to clean it. So your taking it apart anyway.
this is an amazing gun ! such an inspired design
Really a unique design. In a lot of ways, it was ahead of its time with those dual purpose features.