Khyber Pass Colt Copy
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2015
- The Khyber Pass is a region near the Afghan/Pakistan border known for firearms production - particularly for very crude guns made with crude tools. This particular pistol is an excellent example - it looks like a Colt 1911, although it is smaller and more akin to a .32ACP Llama. It is a straight blowback action, and mechanically is actually much more similar to a Spanish Ruby.
"Sold for $345."
Wonder what that bidding was like...
If that’s true then it was 3 fire arms for that price. At that price who cares ha
Bet one of those guys over there could make me a Borchardt C-93 carbine chambered in .43 Spanish with a couple of files and a Nissan Patrol leaf spring if I asked for one...
Yeah and I bet it'll fire as well as a high power, but still gotta respect their ingenuity. I mean, this is just a classic case of really gifted people making due with inferior pistols.
They actually can. And now they have proper cnc machines too.
Vice did a documentary on the khyber pass weapons bazaar and it was informative. It showed how ingenious these people are
They will make anything you want them to make, they take custom orders and believe me I have seen hilarious weapons from there. Which are obviously made for fun.
Necessity is the mother of invention. And if there's one thing that the Afghans consider absolutely essential, it's a gun of some kind. That and hashish.
and heroin to export.
Rana Ali Akhtar Alam Khan Afghan=Pashtun. Pashtuns live in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
@@peterclarke7240 hahahhaha piss off mate, but pashtun DOES = Afghan. similar to the way English and British are synonymous, although there are many ethnic groups in britain. historically afghan = pashtun. you do not know nothing about this area of the world, and if you are interested the please read "the pathans" by Sir Olaf Caroe, he'll enlighten you on the matter. PASHTUN = AFGHAN, AFGHAN = PASHTUN and thats final.
@@booradley6832 Heroin production and exports out of Afghanistan were almost stopped completely in the hayday of the Taliban. Enter the US army and the CIA and guess what? Peak production. Columbia 2.0
All I'm sayin' is know where to point the finger.
It’s Pakistan made bro
Your videos remind me of what old TV shows on Discovery / History channel used to be like. Informative, interesting, something intelligent to watch.
You obviously know an incredible amount of history on every firearm featured on the channel. As well as even knowing the fieldstripping / disassembly of pretty much every single firearm featured.
I would love to see some modern "known" about firearms at some point. I know it contradicts the focus of the channel, but discussing popular firearms, presented the way you do, would really peak my interest.
Toxicmatrix I know right? I think he is such a great presenter. Ive learned more from this channel than most anything else on youtube. And I think its mainly because of him.
This is my favorite gun channel on youtube.
Pawn stars and swap people isn't intelligent? Get back to me when you get a edgimication and realize what culture is. *drops mic*
I remember the day I gave up on those channels. They were both, simultaneously, running logging reality show marathons.
sergeantbigmac you might like C&Rsenal if you haven’t already discovered them
lassi kinnunen- sure, except that wasn't real logging.loggers hate shows like that. if i walked onto a landing and saw the operation being run like that, i'd shoot the bullbuck and call osha myself.
I just LOVE the Khyber Pass guns. Keep them coming! I don't really know what it is but there is something interesting about people making these guns by hand. It just shows that there are virtually no limits to what a determined individual can do.
i would own and fire this gun
@AF Noorzai visited Pakistan one time. Met some Pasthuns in Peshawar and they invited me to shoot. Damn do they love shooting.
very scary true!
You can visit there as well. They are the most hospitable ppl you can find on this planet & I m not exaggerating.
Also,you will be amazed at the variety of guns that they make.
These ppl are extremely talented who make guns with their bare hands.
Thanks from Khyber
Khyber Pass gunsmiths, those who has had it passed down through the generations and sticking to only a few specific models which are well liked, reliable while being relatively simple, and to be quite fair.. Those who are good at it.. They're actual GunSMITHS through and through.. Its what they are and its their lifeblood..
No-name junk...I only buy brand names like EnfieldEnfieldEnfield or BrowningBrowningBrowning.
+turbostewi true
lol These are one off handmade weapons....fit for a king...or a tourist. Not those mass produced Chinese Mauser Brownings everyone's talking about.
I'm sorry, but I think you mean BrowningsBrowningsBrownings
turbostewi
Can't forget the FN Belgique Mauser factory, so many classic BrowningsBrowningsBrownings came out of that one...
whatever why is that so god damn funny? lol (actually laughed out loud at that comment)
So, will you ever showcase a well made Khyber Pass gun?
deathpyre42
I have always heard of well made artisan guns from the Khyber Pass, but have yet to see any either
That video will be difficult to make until the point at which such a weapon exists.
+Mikhail Borgachov
You're uneducated.
God Provide an example of one then.
ihave noidea
Khyber pass does pump out a lot of well-made guns, but a lot of junk guns come out of there, too. It’s basically a giant bazaar that’s divided by people with actual stores and people just selling their junk on the street.
I used to have a little .380 Llama, I really loved the little gun, I made a flap type holster for it from one of my old combat boots, using the snap from a drop-box ammo carrier that I got while on the PD when we switched over to the speed loaders. She shot nice, the vent rib was cute to say the least, fit and finish was nice as well. Sadly I sold it to a fellow officer who wanted an off duty gun, I talked to him a few weeks before he died and told him I would like to buy it back, but he traded it off on a Chinese Tokarov in 9mm as he wanted a more powerful gun. He offered to sell that to me but I turned him down on that. He said he still had his Colt Trooper that he carried on the PD. I recall when I went to work on that PD, he brought that revolver over to my house as he couldn''t get the ammo out of the cylinder. I had to take a wooden dowel and a hammer to drive the .357 Mag rounds out as he had never cleaned the poor thing and the brass had corroded into the gun.
The rifling reminds me of new production Remington firearms.
Anybody else watch Tales of the Gun back in the 90s on the History Channel and now love watching this?
If im not mistaken, in the Khyber Pass guns were made since black powder, and at that time the guns actually were the shit, being better than brittish muskets during first anglo-afghan war.
DudeNumberOnePlus it's all a hit and miss really. some guns are amazing some are more like this.
Yep, the Jezails were very effective. The guns there are still good, they just like to show the god awful ones. But most guns there are actually worth while
@@operationcrazy2696 I think I heard once that the god awful ones are made mostly for tourists
@@ianfinrir8724 or as practice pieces by young people. The lee enfields from Dara are better quality than originals if you get them from the right place
Yeah, Khyber Pass has a LONG history with firearms, Goes way pack to Pakistan and India liberating themselves, and since the brits had banned any none British personnel from having anything to do with weaponry, they managed to get their hands on a few British rifles, picked them apart to understand how they operate, then they preceded to build a bunch up in the mountains.
Really quite an interesting place!
The other "top firing pin" i think its a cartridge chamber indicator.
The extra plunger I was thinking it was a buffer as well as others for the hammer. It probably serves two functions. First to aid in accidental discharge if dropped and second to prevent over penetration of the primer. The hammer spring is probably stiff and thats how the person chose to compensate for it.
Honestly the dedication and quality of these guns are amazing. You can tell they have a lot of effort put into them even if it’s just a “knockoff.”
You do a great job ian. Very good grasp of history, manufacture/machining and even language. Bravo.
As for that plunger above the firing pin, I think it might just be a buffer for when you dry fire the gun.
Towe96 I was thinking a buffer, too. Hadn't thought of dry firing, but if the hammer spring is rather strong, maybe its something to protect the firing pin from breaking when caught between the hammer and a primer.
That grip makes me cry.
Thanks for making video on my home town khyber pass
Very cool, people can bash this all they want, but if given a chunk of steel, I doubt an amateur machinist could make something better. No it's not as refined as modern firearms, but for something hand made by someone working in probably pretty rugged conditions with machinery that's likely decades old, this looks impressive to my eyes! In comparison to my Springfield Armoury M1911A1 Mil Spec... heh, well... no. Again though, it's hand made, and I'd be pressed to make something as high quality as that without YEARS of experience.
NormanMatchem
Pretty elaborate way to brag about your 1911.
We all do, its why we own guns.
actually, the gun makers weigh the money. if they are well paid they work hard on finishing the product. personally they love guns but do not love gun making.
The best I could make would be some kind of single shot smoothbore, so props to these guys.
Do you actually believe this pistol is safe to fire?
I love these copy videos, they're a great example of low tech ingenuity.
oh man! kimber's new line of pistols are looking awesome.
Very cool! It would be awesome to have a whole collection of guns from Khyber pass. Its amazing to see what they can put together out of a bunch of assorted parts.
Love these videos. Great content, and i always learn new stuff.
Another great video Ian! Im really fascinated by these homemade guns for some strange reason. Its just amazing the ingenuity itd take to make a gun by hand in a 3rd world country. Its fascinating to me anyway... I for one am loving these Chinese and Khyber gun videos, so keep them coming!
And it does seem a lot like a Ruby, doesnt it?
Quality actually seems ok, better than most ive seen. I mean its functional and in 32 I bet it would be reasonably safe to shoot. (then again, who knows what the quality of the steel is lol!?)... Im thinking accuracy is not a word often associated with these guns though ;)
I recall reading in one of my old gunsmith books that many kiber pass guns started out as Railroad rails.
I love Khyber Pass guns. If I ever start collecting guns, these are what I will be after. I hope to one day visit the historic Khyber Pass.
Yeah I want to buy an ak47 from them
Thanks
You are welcome
Actually a VERY COOL gun. Thank you so much for sharing.
Love your mystery guns episodes
I know this is a video about the Khyber Pass Colt, but it's so hard to not just drool at all the Lugers behind Ian
I learn more watching your channel than I did in high school
His videos are impossible to tell whether it was uploaded 6 days ago or 6 years ago. Which I guess just goes to show how long and consistently he’s been uploading quality content.
i would want to ask one of the Khyber Pass gunsmiths to make me a luger lookalike
The rifling is button rifling done with a homemade button. I've seen rifling done this way at home but if the button is hand made it often looks like crap. This is mainly because the button, being handmade, has varying rake degrees so some passes end up deeper than others. If they also hammered hte button through rather than press it through it will look a lot rougher as well.
Honestly appreciating ❤❤
I gotta give it up to KB, they’re some ingenious people.
interesting that you mentioned the safety being similar to the Ruby as I was seeing a lot of similarity to the Ruby's and how they look when taken down
I think the top button is to rebound the hammer so it isn't right against the firing pin. I've watched this before and it just occurred to me this viewing I love the kyhber pass/chinese mystery pistol videos I could rewatch them a thousand times and they would never get old
The Khyber pass guns are really interesting. The amount of work put into a gun like that would be incredible and almost all by hand with files etc. I wouldn't shoot it unless I had it tied to something and about 30 foot piece of paracord wrapped around the trigger. If you took a young guy from the khyber pass region and put him through a modern gunsmithing school he would probably be an excellent gunsmith.
The funny thing is that I have a copy of the France mab pistol it was made in kayhber pass
It has the same mechanism of the pistol you talked about it here
How do u import it to the USA?
@king hmmm so There's a chance?
@king thanks for the info I appreciate it
Ngl I would trade the IO ak 47 for their handmade ones 😅
@king lmao 😂 and that's how you started the Cuban revolution
The marking on the grip looks very similar to Thai lettering and is almost identical to how Thai weapons get their registration markings. I'd hazard a guess whoever made this got a pistol from Thailand somehow and just thought "There's something here, might as well copy that".
I found that checkering pattern on the back strap interesting. Machining that is not something I would think was within the local capabilities. My only guess would be, they found a frame which had it, cut that section off and forged it to the rest of the frame, or a colt 1903/08 frame was found, and they built the rest around it.
I think I can live without this one, but interesting. Thanks!
Damn, this thing actually reminds me of my cheap Bryco 38: the trigger mechanisms are almost identical; down to using the grip scales to hold everything together(striker fire though, no hammer), the rifling is practically nonexistent, and even the little chamber indicator(except on a Bryco it's part of the firing pin due to the whole striker fire thing).
Absolutely love this channel Ian! I know I'm going a bit off-subject here, but how about covering some iconic contemporary firearms? I'd love to see your take on the SA80 and the LMG version. Keep up the good work!
The top spring loaded pin at the back of the slide is most likely a drop safety.
I was thinking the same thing.
8digitPDX
That rifling looks better than my Taurus's. I'm not even kidding.
Considering this was probably built with little more than basic hand tools and a block of steel, it seems surprisingly well built for what it is.
Could the extra plunger on the slide be a way to make the hammer rebound?
You should review the llama especial 32 cal
its possible to use a section of a spiral fluted reamer and press it through the bore and you will get a rotation because of the spiral flutes cutting rifling although you cannot predict the rotation but you do get rifling that works
If I may (not an expert), the top spring loaded pin on the slide may be there to keep it off the firing pin when the trigger is down. Not sure how well it would work though.
Have you checked whether the chamber will accept rimfire ammunition? That's the only purpose I can imagine for the top plunger.
strilight Oh, that's an interesting idea.
The top plunger looks like it might be a buffer to protect the hammer and firing pin, and/or reduce the chance of an accidental discharge if the uncocked hammer gets bumped or partially raised.
Bizarrely neat extra feature on such a relatively crude gun.
ToastyMozart Maybe BECAUSE it's a crude gun.
There's a handgun cottage industry in Cebu, be good to have a look at one of them up close.
Plunger on top is to soften the hit from the hammer when you dry fire it.
I keep up with Scholagladiatoria, and it seems like the Khyber Pass has a very long tradition of unique weapons in general, such as the Charray "Khyber knife", with a T section blade. Good to know that the tradition extended into firearms.
Well khyber knives are used throughout northern india and Afghanistan they only got the name khyber knife because that's where brits encountered them
Thanks
I would assume the top plunger would be a half-assed means of preventing the hammer from contacting the firing pin unless the trigger is pulled.
Hi Ian thanks, very informative. There's a video that pops up on youtube showing guns being "manufactured" in a region called Darra Adam Khel. At a glance they looked well made. Everything from 1911s to shotguns. Ever come across any?
That was a really interesting trigger mechanism. What sort of trigger pull did it have? And has there been a similar trigger mechanism in any "normal" gun?
as always very very interesting
“Copy” is a strong word ian
Could the weird second spring-loaded plunger thing serve as a sort of "carry safety"? I noticed that it seemed to eliminate contact between the hammer and the firing pin when you had the gun reassembled, and if it was intended for that purpose it would certainly be interesting.
2:33 that is an interesting, simple and cool looking trigger mechanism
broach cutters are used to rifle, those are called lands and grooves(rifling).
I love these guns made from guy that that make shovels with pots and pans when not making a gun. I wish Ian would do a playlist of Chinese and other bizarre functioning guns.
I believe that top plunger is a cheap way to "decock" the hammer. That is if you want to carry it around with the hammer down it isn't pressing on the firing pin as hard as it should to prevent a accidental discharge.
Whow, ure talkin bout this gun, iam lookin in the back to all thos Luger 08s :D
I wonder of the top plunger is a rebound plunger to keep the hammer off of the firing pin if it is carried hammer-down
So do you think the little button thing on the back of the slide is a loaded chamber indicator? That's exactly where it is on a Polish P-64. It's essentially a spring-loaded pin that is pushed back when a round is in the chamber, and is more or less flush with the slide when the chamber is empty. Let me know what you think.
It is amazing what a good craftsman can accomplish with only some basic tools, maybe a mill and a lathe!! Could the top plunger be a loaded chamber indicator? Similar to a Walther P38??
in order to make a homemade rifled barrel
one can grind a DIY rifling broach by fixing an angle grinder in lathe tool post.
that second plunger above the pin is interesting the only thing I could see it being for is to maybe make the gun a bit safer if your carrying it with the hammer down and one up the pipe might make it less likely to go off if you accidentally drop it or something still probably not very safe though
Re: The second plunger on the barrel assembly, the one just above the firing pin, could that serve as the hammer rebound mechanism? That would help keep the hammer from setting on the firing pin with a round chambered. It may not be the best such mechanism ever, but a little safety may be better than none.
Please do more Khyber Pass guns if you can.
Maybe the upper button is some sort of safety, you would carry it with the hammer on a loaded chamber and it would (in theory) make it more difficult for it to fire by dropping it or accidentally hitting the hammer on something?
Maybe the top plunger is a loaded chamber indicator like a P-38?
Muh Gunz Plunges in the wrong direction.
GunRagDave Maybe it was "supposed to be" a loaded indicator but they assembled/built it wrong?
EDSKaR one of those features that is on the original gun but the garage gunsmith puts it there to look the same as original ,thats what i think
I have a llama Colt in .22. it's short n sweet. 🤗 With the same controls as a .45 in the A1 style.
would you have access to any of the better examples of firearms produced in this region or would they be too close to the originals to merit a video?
Could the plug above the firing in be a "bullet in the chamber" indicator, similar to a P38?
Khyber pass gunsmith are making now very good latest weapons too
@2:45 Those marks are Thai's numbers and alphabets, which those are codes for licenses.
What sort of workshop would these Khyber Pass copies have come out of? Should I be thinking medieval smithy or would there be electrical lathes?
Its 32bore pistol, surprisingly it works quite well...
Im from Pakistan. These all pistols are made in DARA ADAM KHEL which is also called KHYBER PASS . It is a small territory in one of the Provence of Pakistan namely KPK consisting of almost 3 thousand weapons shops nd countless handmade weapons factories. Workers work in miserable condition are such a amazingly Tallented nd hard working that if you provide them reasonable amount of money they will make you a handmade replic ak47 just as durable nd fine as original which will never stop. You won't even be able to distinguish which one is original. But unfortunately due to security reasons these factories are being closed nd shops are wanishing from the site. there was a time there were more thn 10000 weapon shops out there which number is now decreased to only 3000 nd near future there will be hardly 500 or more shops left in the area. This Is sad fact as DARA ppl deserve support to flourish their talent but instead this market is going to be closed forever within a decade.
Very interesting as always, but I have to wonder who would buy that at auction. It certainly has some historical value, but it wouldn't be something I'd want to own.
Interesting. As someone with only theoretical knowledge about firearms (good ol' Europe..), how well would that thing shoot? What would the accuracy and reliability look like and after how many rounds would it start to fall apart (or worse)?
Galgenvogel Really depends on the steel composition and heat treat, plus the viability of the mainspring. It could work fine for thousands of rounds, or it could beat itself to pieces in a few mags.
trailduster6bt Forgotten Weapons Thank you both for the answers!
Galgenvogel It actually appears decent, at least functional, but theres really no way to know.... With guns, you need a high quality steel because youre dealing with such high pressures. Who knows what kinda steel they used!? With 32 acp I bet its ok to shoot a little but accuracy would be terrible with that sewer pipe barrel ;)
Galgenvogel You know you can get guns legally in Europe right?
Nox Aternum Depends where in Europe he lives right?
It looks to me that that strange spring loaded plunger is some kind of a hammer rest or something to that effect...
When you say 'disassemble', do you mean 'drop'?
The Pakistani Arms Manufacturers are improving alot, I know some of the manufacturers like ROYAL ARMS and MOON star arms are using CNC machines and producing some good quality clones of Glocks and M4s
I can't hear 'Khyber Pass' without thinking about Carry On Up the Khyber.
When the apocalypse comes Khyber Pass will be an industrial powerhouse
They might use a hydrologic or crank press with a twisting button bore to rifle the barrels.
Will you or have you done a look at a star BM ?
Looks like a copy of my Colt Govt .380 which is pretty much a Mustang. Awesome boot or pocket pistol, thing shoots like a laser. Easily my most accurate firearm.
When I was a kid (18 20) I had a Llama 1911 380 that was a pos. 3 times when pulling slide back it would go off once while I was tryin to unload while riding with a friend. Needless to say we couldn't hear for weeks (it was winter windows up) and it looked like a little volcano 🌋 on top of the roof.
nice show
keep going
Is the second button on the rear of the slide possible a safety, meant to keep the hammer off the firing pin when at rest?
Khyber pass is a major power in the apocalyptic world of Mad Max
In profile it actually looks like a star BM to me, obviously a 1911 copy but the backstrap shape and slide shape specifically looks like a star BM.