Crude Khyber Pass Webley Revolver Copy

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    The town of Dara Adam Khel has became a locus of firearms manufacture in response to the British occupation of Pakistan and Afghanistan in the 19th century, and it has remained dedicated to that industry to the present day. While much of the firearms manufacturing there is done to a much higher standard than most people would expect, some shops are also quite happy to make cheap, poor-quality guns. It is those cheap examples that have become associated with the region for many people, and today we are looking at one such revolver.
    This is a Khyber Pass copy of a Webley MkIV revolver in .32 caliber. It is in quite poor condition, with misspelled markings and several broken internal parts.It is a perfect representation of the stereotypical Khyber gun…
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  • @Orangejr36
    @Orangejr36 Рік тому +684

    I will never get tired of these copies. Every one is unique and the skill required to even get close to modern weapon design with hand tools is incredibly impressive. Their little quirks and flaws are fingerprints of their makers.

    • @extragoogleaccount6061
      @extragoogleaccount6061 Рік тому +42

      One thing I dont get is: how come these tool-shop guns (or Chinese mystery pistols) never have working sites? That is the one thing on a gun that would seem self-explanatory. Yet many times I have seen him point out that there was an attempt to make something resembling a sight, without any knowledge of its purpose. I would think that that would be one of the most obvious things about firearms after "point the boom end away from yourself."

    • @hoilst265
      @hoilst265 Рік тому +61

      There's a whole bunch of vids of Pakistanis making crazy shit in what are insanely spartan conditions on here.
      It's "Making Engine For Truck" and you think, oh, it's gonna be them like uncrating something from Isuzu- no, no, they're casting the block themselves in a small lean-to.

    • @piatpotatopeon8305
      @piatpotatopeon8305 Рік тому +13

      This is the exact reason I hope to one day visit the scenic Khyber Pass.

    • @azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401
      @azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401 Рік тому +1

      The Pakistani revolver, but it's copy from British

    • @kilianortmann9979
      @kilianortmann9979 Рік тому +19

      @@extragoogleaccount6061 A sight is probably not a priority for the target demographic of a gun like this.

  • @Omnihil777
    @Omnihil777 Рік тому +747

    Once had a "Khyber pass" pistol in my hands that was crafted masterfully, P-38 alike. I played with the leather holster and the (obviously empty) bullet belt as a child, had a purple felt lining. Worked like a charm, even the blueing was great. My father brought it back from there, he was building the Tarbela Dam back in the 70s there and a village chief or similar gave it to him because he was the only western guy (out of many) who fought for the working conditions of the pakistani workers there. That was the reason why they send him home in the end. Yeah, german sub contractor at the times, great eh? He tells stories to this day how they collected the workers in the morning with trucks, armed guys with whips. No joke, bull whips. They worked till they got enough money to feed the family for a month and then stayed at home so somebody thought it was a good idea to forcefully pull them out of their homes in the morning. My father couldn't stand it, they beat him up several times, threw him in jail and held an AK-47 in his face because he was fighting against that treatment of workers. Corruption was big, life was cheap. But they didn't dare to kill him, otherwise I wouldn't be here and writing this long-ass comment no-one will ever read. True story.

    • @TheWarmotor
      @TheWarmotor Рік тому +17

      I reat it :) Thank you for sharing, friend.

    • @nickrollstuhlfahrerson8659
      @nickrollstuhlfahrerson8659 Рік тому +10

      Thanks for sharing mate

    • @zxggwrt
      @zxggwrt Рік тому +8

      I read it. Also this episode is bringing out some great stories. I don’t doubt for a second that they are mostly true and yours especially sounds accurate from what I have read about the region.

    • @Melanie16040
      @Melanie16040 Рік тому +8

      That was a fairly normal size comment. I have seen ones over 10x longer than yours. Don't worry, it wasn't too big.

    • @causewaykayak
      @causewaykayak Рік тому +2

      Agreed . Nice comment and lies comfortably alongside the historical provenance of the pistol reviewed here.
      Great video as ever.
      I'm sure these small workshops made firearms to use against the more recent NATO occupation powers.
      Back when such places took off as centres of production it wasn't thought peculiar for blacksmiths anywhere to fabricate weapons. Its only recently that controls and regulation have crept in. Since this channel is nicely free from politics I shall leave off contemplating the nature of the forces striving for control or outright bans.

  • @catherineburton195
    @catherineburton195 Рік тому +334

    I once handled a copy AK-47 there. It was anything but crude. Like an English Best Gun is usually beautifully engraved with the prey birds, this AK was engraved with the prey - Russian tanks and aircraft. It was a thing of beauty.

    • @aaron6178
      @aaron6178 Рік тому +65

      I would guess those kinds of weapons would be a status symbol amongst the tribal folk. Gifting of swords was a big thing in the region for eons.

    • @njones420
      @njones420 Рік тому +10

      I have an Afghan war-rug in my study ... beautiful middle-eastern rug, with AKs, Helicopters, tanks etc woven into it. :)

    • @tenmil1
      @tenmil1 Рік тому

      @@njones420 where do I acquire one?!?

    • @JW-lp2eo
      @JW-lp2eo Рік тому +1

      ​@@tenmil1 I'm going to guess Afganistan

  • @DanStaal
    @DanStaal Рік тому +106

    On the skill level some of these places have - a friend of ours was working in the Somalia/Ethiopia border regions and had a Colt revolver. He asked one of the local groups if he could have a copy made as a second one. (Because it'd be cheaper than buying from Colt.) No problem, they said - leave it with us for a few days.
    He got them both back, was impressed with the work, etc. A few years later he realized he'd forgotten which was the original, and he couldn't tell them apart, so he sent them to Colt, with the story, saying he wanted to know which was which.
    He got back a note saying that both were excellent workmanship and any gunsmith would be proud to have made them - but that neither had been made by Colt.

    • @Ashcrash82
      @Ashcrash82 Рік тому +46

      sounds like somebody got themselves a free Colt revolver.....

    • @DanStaal
      @DanStaal Рік тому +16

      @@Ashcrash82 Yep, someone did.

    • @googiegress7459
      @googiegress7459 Рік тому +8

      I love this story so much, thank you

    • @ianfinrir8724
      @ianfinrir8724 Рік тому +22

      I feel like I should've seen the ending coming but it still hit me like a truck.

    • @abhajihadi
      @abhajihadi 6 місяців тому

      😂

  • @bjrnegillarsen1380
    @bjrnegillarsen1380 Рік тому +127

    I believe the weapons from the region have gotten an unfair bad reputation mostly because it has been the "saturday night specials" mostly that have made their way to the US and Europe while the high quality examples have stayed behind in the hands of local collectors, tribal leaders and high ranking officials

    • @brittakriep2938
      @brittakriep2938 Рік тому +12

      A longer time ago, i , german, saw a german TV documentation. There was shown, that customers (?)/ Kunden of those gunmakers/ gunsmiths ( in german Büchsenmacher) tested the weapons, for islamic law this ,customer test' seems to be an important thing.

    • @pavarottiaardvark3431
      @pavarottiaardvark3431 Рік тому +16

      Plus, I imagine that the really good copies occasionally just get mistaken for the real thing.

    • @stevejohnson6593
      @stevejohnson6593 Рік тому +1

      yeah, counterfeit guns should be respected

  • @capt.bart.roberts4975
    @capt.bart.roberts4975 Рік тому +290

    I've lived and worked in the area of The Pass. They're crazy guys, I remember watching a workshop make an anti aircraft gun, similar to a Bofors.

    • @capt.bart.roberts4975
      @capt.bart.roberts4975 Рік тому +35

      I had a pair of four bore shotguns from there. They were very nicely made.

    • @broitsmikey
      @broitsmikey Рік тому +72

      The government tries to shut the shop down "Muhammed, pass the 20mm"

    • @Ass_of_Amalek
      @Ass_of_Amalek Рік тому +19

      maybe somebody found ammunition and commissioned them to make a gun for it? xD

    • @AsbestosMuffins
      @AsbestosMuffins Рік тому

      ​@@broitsmikey more like "pass the almost 20mm shells" not that those guns are picky

    • @agate_jcg
      @agate_jcg Рік тому +4

      My father visited Darra Adam Khel during the Afghan-Soviet war in the '80s and said they were selling Stinger missiles. Presumably they didn't make working ones themselves, but my Dad didn't have the expertise to know if they were genuine American equipment, total fakes, or something in between.

  • @edrollie9923
    @edrollie9923 Рік тому +45

    That is probably a second year apprentice's workmanship examination. The Webley has been used as a standard examination piece for second year apprentices in the Khyber Pass since 1941. The other school that is still active uses the Tokarev TT-30. A common hiring question is "Are you a 30 or a Mark?"
    Thanks for finding this Ian.
    It looks to me to be quite well done, I feel confident this gunsmith went on to become one of the masters.

    • @borjesvensson8661
      @borjesvensson8661 8 місяців тому +1

      Did not know it was that full on organised!

  • @khairulhelmihashim2510
    @khairulhelmihashim2510 Рік тому +447

    Ian needs a study trip to Khyber Pass to document gun manufacturing and some test firing.

    • @controlfreak1963
      @controlfreak1963 Рік тому +48

      Not recommended these days without a brigade of Pak soldiers.

    • @Ass_of_Amalek
      @Ass_of_Amalek Рік тому +41

      would be cool, but very unsafe area. the pakistani taliban have recently been increasing their attacks a lot, and I'm pretty sure that place is totally in their (pashtun) territory.
      I saw a VICE video like 10 years ago from there, but I suspect that VICE just pays huge bribes, that they basically prearrange ransom payments to get their people back out.

    • @CHMichael
      @CHMichael Рік тому +11

      Not a good place - was next door in the 90s when it was considered safe - and that are wasn't safe back then.

    • @tombogan03884
      @tombogan03884 Рік тому +3

      @@controlfreak1963 If any one could do it reasonably safely it would be either Ian, telling the locals the history of their gear. SOMEONE is going to pipe up as a fellow "Gun guy" 🤣 Or Othias, just BSing his way in. LOL

    • @1lovesoni
      @1lovesoni Рік тому +16

      I suspect the locals wouldn't be too forthcoming with an American outsider. I've seen other reports in the area where shopkeepers/locals seem to not want anyone they don't know poking around, and they seem fairly displeased with any filming. Plus the added danger of being targeted by radical groups. I suspect that if you don't speak the language, don't look correct, and don't already know locals, then nobody else there is going to feel comfortable being associated with you.

  • @vibeslide
    @vibeslide Рік тому +70

    I always like when Ian reminds his audience that the vast majority of us wouldn't be able to create anything like this.

    • @r0b3rt_959
      @r0b3rt_959 Рік тому +3

      3D printer go brrrrr

    • @googiegress7459
      @googiegress7459 Рік тому +16

      @@r0b3rt_959 And I'm sure you know just how well THOSE weapons perform, just trying to get it to fire is a challenge. That's also a matter of tool ownership; having a 3d printer doesn't mean you have any creative or manufacturing skill, much like owning a gun does not upgrade in any way your quality as a human.

    • @arthurmoore9488
      @arthurmoore9488 Рік тому

      @@googiegress7459 Anyone who can run their 3d printer well enough to make a working firearm likely has enough skill to make one out of metal. Plus could probably convert their 3d printer into a CNC. It's why 3d printed guns are and always will be a niche hobby.

    • @googiegress7459
      @googiegress7459 Рік тому +1

      @@arthurmoore9488 I'd argue that it's harder to make a good firearm with a 3d printer, and you're better off using shop tools. That wasn't my point. I was giving a counterpoint to Robert who seemed to be saying that you can push a button and make a gun on a 3d printer with no skills. Sounds like you agree with me :)
      As for converting a 3d printer into a CNC ... I dunno man. Seems better to just buy a CNC.

    • @joshwist556
      @joshwist556 Рік тому

      @@googiegress7459 With how quick tech is going. We might see metal 3D-printing become common usage in the later 2 decades.

  • @itatane
    @itatane Рік тому +50

    On a related note, in Rajasthan, there used to be a pretty thriving historical firearms industry. (They were some of the best people to turn to for historically accurate leather shoes and a few other items as well.) Some of the pieces were indeed, no better than Rajasthani Sewer Pipes. However, I recall a couple reliable makers who took an inordinate amount of care in their manufacturing quality. One in particular, Narayan Jagannath Sikligar, proofed every gun that he produced with smokeless powder. I was skeptical of the Enfield Cavalry carbine that I had picked up at a gun show, but it turned out to be a first rate reproduction. (As an aside, the only catastrophic muzzleloader failure I have seen happen was when the 150th PA reenactors out of Meadville had a live shoot, and an Armi Sport Enfield burst at the breech.)

    • @neohyberboreantechnosteppe3185
      @neohyberboreantechnosteppe3185 Рік тому +5

      You say "used to", did it get shut down?

    • @itatane
      @itatane Рік тому +8

      @@neohyberboreantechnosteppe3185 Sorry for the confusion! They may still be active, I quit reenacting years ago and stopped paying attention to the industry. I think Veteran Arms gets some of their stuff from the region.

  • @johnmcclain3887
    @johnmcclain3887 Рік тому +45

    I spent a fair amount of time in the "west Pacific", the orient, as a Marine, and I've always really enjoyed the work of those men who replicate machine made with their skilled hand work. I've seen some of the "machine shops" that put these things out and the skill level of the smiths is truly amazing. Of course the same sort of skill is displayed in a vast variety of "hand manufactured" facsimiles of "common use western machinery" from farm equipment to medical accessories.

  • @boingkster
    @boingkster Рік тому +64

    Crude? Khyber Pass? Revolver??! Oh hell yes, here we go! Cheers Ian for all your awesome work and coverage of such obscure items. Thanks again!

  • @sameerkhan3757
    @sameerkhan3757 Рік тому +8

    Hey Ian.. 🤗😊 I am from khyber Region... (Pakistani region of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa)... I always get so happy when a see a gun from my area making it to you table.. 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼❤️🔫☺️☺️ If you come to my city Peshawar and you roam. Around you will find plenty of these revolvers even today at gun shops... Most of the people now keep it as a history piece.

  • @forkthepork
    @forkthepork Рік тому +9

    The missing "H" is amazing

  • @Bomberm4n
    @Bomberm4n Рік тому +18

    As a native British English speaker the 'H' on Birmingham is often used - depending on dialect :D

    • @bobjohnson1633
      @bobjohnson1633 Рік тому +1

      Only Americans speak real English. Something magic any the continent, because even the Ozzies and kiwis can't do it right.

    • @no1DdC
      @no1DdC Рік тому +2

      @@bobjohnson1633 The funny thing is that American English is more similar to the way British people spoke a few hundred years ago than modern British English is.

    • @CAMSLAYER13
      @CAMSLAYER13 Рік тому +1

      ​@@no1DdC what accents through? Americas accents are more homogeneous but theres still quite a few. Regional accents in Britain would have been even more distinct that long ago

    • @urmum3773
      @urmum3773 Рік тому +1

      @@no1DdC "The funny thing is that American English is more similar to the way British people spoke a few hundred years ago than modern British English is." British people a few hundred years ago had thousands of accents, so which one are you talking about? P.S you're wrong anyway, the closet accent today to how English was commonly spoken 300 years ago is west country English, and RP is closer to that than American English.

    • @urmum3773
      @urmum3773 Рік тому +1

      @@no1DdC I think I've seen this exact comment atleast a thousands times in the last year, and it's not even true, people are so gullible

  • @chrisball3778
    @chrisball3778 Рік тому +11

    Place names ending in the suffix 'ham' are found all over England. It was a term used in Old English to denote a village, and it's the same word that gives us the terms 'hamlet' and 'home'. Birmingham is just the biggest city that ends with those letters. Whether the 'H' is pronounced varies from place to place. Because of this, omitting the silent H from 'Birmingham' wouldn't actually simplify spelling for British people- we'd have to remember which places used the H and which didn't. Our place names are already a complete nightmare to spell and pronounce, even for us, so no thanks.

  • @dannagy546
    @dannagy546 Рік тому +16

    "On the cheaper end" its better than anything i could do in 100 years with modern tools!

    • @Ass_of_Amalek
      @Ass_of_Amalek Рік тому +3

      yeah I don't agree with that categorisation, having seen the other crude gun videos on this channel (both khyber pass and chinese). that revolver looks poperly shaped and finished all around and has really proper rifling, and apparently almost correct markings. it's non-functional due to mechanical issues, but ian didn't clarify if any of those would have been present from the beginning, and based on the general quality of the gun, and especially the proper rifling, I would guess that it did originally function. I think the skill and effort required to make it look that good are more than the skill and effort required to make it function.

    • @googiegress7459
      @googiegress7459 Рік тому

      I guarantee you could go through a gunsmithing education, apprentice out, get some experience, and be able to make excellent product in just a few years total. It's more a matter of whether you're willing to invest the time and money, whether you're interested in the work enough to spend that time. The shop full of machine tools may cost you a pretty penny. At that point, when you're capable of making a thing, the question is how much time are you putting into each unit? You can really dial down on something and make it absolutely perfect if you take all the time in the world, but nobody will want to spend the $50k you'd need to charge for that item!

  • @danielwendell542
    @danielwendell542 Рік тому +10

    Khyber pass firearms will always be a favorite of mine; it looks like someone traced the original firearm. The skill level to create these is astounding, especially in the environment they are made. Awesome!

  • @l0b0t59
    @l0b0t59 Рік тому +42

    Thanks, Ian. These are my favorite kinds of FW videos; I love the historical content. You are, far and away, my first choice for UA-cam firearms info.

  • @umairjamil4831
    @umairjamil4831 Рік тому +4

    Ian if you wanna come and see the area I would be more than happy to show you around. There are a lot of different things here that would amaze you

  • @TorquilBletchleySmythe
    @TorquilBletchleySmythe Рік тому +4

    The reason the "H" is in Birmingham is due to the Old English derivation, a "Ham" being a settlement or village. Following the syntax, one would pronounce the "H"less Birmingam as "Birmin-Gam". The H is less silent than it is indicative. Thus endeth the lesson...

  • @misolgit69
    @misolgit69 Рік тому +7

    I remember many years ago reading an article in Guns & Ammo magazine about this area one of the lines was you could purchase anything from an AK47 to a fountain pen that fired 22 long rifle

  • @tsebuilder_wa3389
    @tsebuilder_wa3389 Рік тому +9

    Another fantastic example of a "forgotten weapon". Thanks for finding these

  • @casualbear6295
    @casualbear6295 Рік тому +5

    Khyber pass guns really seem to range from “masterful example of expertise” to “less than sober mekboy” and I love it.

  • @MrAstrojensen
    @MrAstrojensen Рік тому +4

    I believe Elbonia has found themselves a new supplier of small arms.

  • @ziaulislam5048
    @ziaulislam5048 Рік тому +22

    thanks Ian for recognising and sorting things out regarding our arms markets. darra adamkhel has improved a lot over the years. they are now making their own designs with such great quality.

    • @causewaykayak
      @causewaykayak Рік тому +4

      It would be good to have more coverage. I see many videos of workshops in India and Pakistan that produce really great results on basic machines. It is good to recognise the skills these craftsmen have. Too bad they are always getting negative comments about health and safety working practices . The skill in the hands is what should impress us.

    • @andersjjensen
      @andersjjensen Рік тому +5

      @@causewaykayak Health and safety working practices tends to go out the windows when feeding the family is on the line. If they got more international coverage the price would go up and soon after shop equipment would too.

    • @arthurmoore9488
      @arthurmoore9488 Рік тому +1

      @@andersjjensen Half of it is lack of PPE. That's a cultural issue, and something we see even in the West.

  • @lafeelabriel
    @lafeelabriel Рік тому +10

    Never ceases to amaze me the stuff you can see coming out of this part of the world.

  • @MythrodonX
    @MythrodonX Рік тому +27

    Colour me impressed lads, a certified carry for any gentleman of the common wealth.

    • @grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338
      @grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338 Рік тому +8

      “ common wealth “ sounds like a very polite way of calling someone poor

    • @Billy_Bad_Ass
      @Billy_Bad_Ass Рік тому +1

      Very proper English. Love it!

    • @googiegress7459
      @googiegress7459 Рік тому

      @@grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338 Closer to "those of you whom we have conquered"

    • @AtheistOrphan
      @AtheistOrphan Рік тому

      @@Billy_Bad_Ass - Not really. ‘Commonwealth’ is one word, and this piece dates from before the creation of the British Commonwealth.

  • @akatripclaymore.9679
    @akatripclaymore.9679 Рік тому +5

    We want to see more Mouser's & Welby's

  • @johnfisk811
    @johnfisk811 Рік тому +5

    Lovely to see this Ian. Yes the cheap end, so omitting any heat treatment and using whatever steel was to hand.
    You, perhaps, over emphasised the role of British presence in the rise Afridi gunmaking. Weapons were the daily wear of men in the region. As firearms became more technically advanced the need arose for more skilled gunmakers beyond that of village smiths. Hence the rise of skilled Afridi gunmakers in a full time commercial environment where steel could be bought and a variety of gun types and qualities marketed. The quality depended partly on wealth but also purpose. The cheap end was worn as jewellery and the working quality was secondary as long as it could go bang at close range. It grew because of the wide area commercial market. The Afghan government of that time was establishing proper powered factories making Martini rifles, for example, on the latest machinery to British standards. The Afridi market was to civilians who needed a hand gun and a rifle to have social respectability. This all has continued and the factories there brought in modern equipment as technology progressed. Like the Basque gunmakers they combine to deal with large orders and, like the old English ones, sub contract to smaller shops. The bottom end supplies working jewellery with rough finishes and soft steel, the upper end can use CNC machinery and doubtless 3d printing will come in if not already. The best end gets you good steel, well heat treated and finely finished with close tolerances. Actually many used to be fired very little bar celebration blanks. It needs to be looked at in a cultural context but equally as a commercial centre for civilian arms.

    • @uwu_smeg
      @uwu_smeg Рік тому

      very interesting write-up, thank you!

  • @chubbyjohnson5480
    @chubbyjohnson5480 Рік тому +4

    Extremely interesting copy!
    Thank you, Ian, for bringing us these wonderful relics!

  • @thenowhere4882
    @thenowhere4882 Рік тому +2

    Look at that cylinder windmill!!

  • @duanequam7709
    @duanequam7709 Рік тому +2

    I will never get tired of listening to you amazing commentary on all things guns. You always make it understandable.
    Thanks for all you do.

  • @afnanmehmood3827
    @afnanmehmood3827 Рік тому +12

    More of these Darra Adam khel videos please and do videos on some of their best quality weapons too.

  • @kentlindal5422
    @kentlindal5422 Рік тому +7

    They lose points for not once stamping "Wauser" on the gun.

    • @kmech3rd
      @kmech3rd Рік тому +4

      Wouldn't a "Mebley" have been more apropos?

  • @WALTERBROADDUS
    @WALTERBROADDUS Рік тому +3

    Proof marks on a gun they didn't actually proof test.

  • @Rose.Of.Hizaki
    @Rose.Of.Hizaki Рік тому +5

    I have a friend from PK. He used to tell me about some of the places he visited in PK that made knock offs of WWII guns. He sent me a couple of pictures of a gun rack full of replica Kar98's and Mosin Nagant's and was even allowed to fire a few of them.
    A lot of the bigger parts would have been made/replicated by using a method known as sand casting.

  • @timblunderbusbehan936
    @timblunderbusbehan936 Рік тому +7

    I've always found your videos fascinating and informative, especially as living in the UK where our firearms laws prevent us from getting close to many of the firearms that you feature, but this one made me smile a little more than usual as I live in Birmingam

  • @kodiakkeith
    @kodiakkeith Рік тому +4

    I have a copy of a Colt Police Positive completely made of brass, also in .32 like the one above. I have no provenance but the story is that it came from the Pacific as a war trophy. The stocks are teak or some other red hardwood and it's a handsome little piece. I wouldn't shoot it on a dare, but somebody did because the rifling is worn in the rear and only visible in the front inch or so of the barrel.

  • @hoilst265
    @hoilst265 Рік тому +8

    Perfect for carrying on up.

  • @judelarkin2883
    @judelarkin2883 Рік тому +4

    I’ve known about the guns made in that region and wondered about the quantity. You can’t tell from documentary coverage and of course to most reporters it’s just a gun. There is also an interesting cottage industry of gun making in the Philippines.

  • @danielwood5297
    @danielwood5297 Рік тому +2

    Absolutely correct about people collecting a story as well as the firearm. Not only is it for the collectors knowledge but they/we also enjoy retelling the story. It makes the firearm that much more interesting

  • @AllAboutSurvival
    @AllAboutSurvival Рік тому +3

    I enjoy these kinds of information. Love the effort and research and time you took to share with us for your subscribers

  • @1248dl
    @1248dl Рік тому +3

    I appreciate the history of the area. I knew some of it but your assessment is very informative.

  • @comradeclaus
    @comradeclaus Рік тому +1

    My grandfather owned one of these and a TT copy from the same region, found them in his stuff when he passed away. The Revolver was actually good quality but something in it was broken due to years of not being taken care of, the TT replica was pretty low quality (have an Original Norinco TT to compare it to), but it still worked. I’ve seen many other interesting firearms from Khyber over the years, from weird M16s to Tiny AKs. Ian did get the legal stuff about the region correct though, due to the new laws, the gunsmiths have been requiring more licenses and permits, which has been troubling their businesses, but such is the price for regulating things. There are however efforts underway to preserve the gunsmithing as an historic industry, however due to the closer border with afghanistan and end of local conflicts, there’s simply less buyers for their weapons now, which has led to many shops and factories closing. The only customer for them now is locals. Still, incredibly interesting place and even better stories. If Ian ever visits Pakistan we’d be happy to take him there and show him around. He can probably find some pretty historic stuff 😂

  • @James-lr3xg
    @James-lr3xg Рік тому +1

    Kyber pass firearms are some of my favorite videos you put out.

  • @Seallussus
    @Seallussus Рік тому +2

    Khyber pass guns are awesome. The cheaper and more crude the more fun they are to do a video on.

  • @MrMoustaffa
    @MrMoustaffa Рік тому +1

    Man Id love to have a kyber pass gun. Theyre all so unique and even the cheap ones have a surprising amount of neat little quirks and details. May never shoot it but would make for a cool wallhanger

  • @kbjerke
    @kbjerke Рік тому +3

    Well, it looks good from *far,* but far from good! Thanks, Ian!

  • @nealheidekat5726
    @nealheidekat5726 Рік тому

    Thank you for the enthusiastic and respectful information!

  • @hendrickziegler8487
    @hendrickziegler8487 Рік тому

    A colaboration between Ian and Strange Parts visiting these artisan workshops sounds awesome to me

  • @chlebowg
    @chlebowg Рік тому +1

    Had a similar one in .32 with a cross bolt safety below the hammer while serving in Astan.

  • @martinswiney2192
    @martinswiney2192 Рік тому +2

    Now I know what those wedge shape pieces are for. Never had understood the purpose but that makes sense. Ok. Now admit that the guy that made the hammer and break top release did so with a file sitting beside a campfire. The reason there is no H in Birmingham is because he repurposed that stencil to make a proof mark stencil.

  • @TheRogueWolf
    @TheRogueWolf Рік тому +4

    Khyber Pass: Where you can find guns, and "guns".

  • @CobraDBlade
    @CobraDBlade Рік тому +3

    I would be so tempted to buy a copy like that, then give it to a local gunsmith and watch his brain melt.

  • @davidnicholas7516
    @davidnicholas7516 Рік тому +1

    Way back in the day, maybe 35-40 years ago, I went with a friend to a gun store to pick up a Lee Enfield No. 4 he was buying, and we both looked around. They had a Khyber Pass K '98 that, near as anyone could tell, was pretty much perfectly made, but it obviously wasn't German. It was covered in Arabic or Pashtun or whatever writing, some script I couldn't read. I wasn't that knowledgable about guns back then (still am not *that* knowledgeable) but I was told that while the parts weren't interchangeable, it functioned flawlessly.

  • @krude47
    @krude47 Рік тому +4

    The most egregious town spelling in England belongs to "Reading", which is pronounced "Redding" and used to be spelled as such, until for some reason they changed their minds.

    • @cgi2002
      @cgi2002 Рік тому

      It's because read is a tenseless word. Its future, current and past tense depending on context.
      I plan to read a book. I am reading a book. I have read a book.
      In the case of the town Reading, it uses the past tense version. But I agree redding makes more sense, but reeding also would be better for non-native british english speakers.
      As for the "hams" I have a ham surname, which we pronounce as "um", but that's an accent thing. Switch to a more bbc friendly accent and it reverts to ham.
      So Birmingham is "birmingum" the way I pronounce it, but go back to a more queens english and it gets its ham back.
      In reality though you'll find most of the country pronounce it as "why the fk would I wanna go to that place" or just as "that *$%@ hole down south, no the other one that's not London".

  • @Matt-xc6sp
    @Matt-xc6sp Рік тому +8

    Dara Adam Khel is fascinating to me. I’d love to go there but, you know, Pakistan. Also pesky import laws would probably keep me from bringing back any “souvenirs”.

  • @Eric-vs2he
    @Eric-vs2he Рік тому +3

    Kinda curious, how do they rifle the barrel? Like do they have a dedicated barrel rifling machine?

  • @RandomSubs94
    @RandomSubs94 Рік тому

    5:33 I'm convinced that Ian made this video just to throw this bit of shade on the British. Thanks man, once again I always learn something new from your videos.

  • @mikepette4422
    @mikepette4422 Рік тому +2

    "Its like poetry it just works"

  • @abhajihadi
    @abhajihadi 6 місяців тому

    I have one Beretta m9a3 Dara made. Works perfectly. At the beginning it was sometime problematic during bullet loading. But after firing more the hundred round now it does not stop while loading. Work perfectly. I love it

  • @bholdr----0
    @bholdr----0 Рік тому

    VOCE News has a great vid where they go here and document the gun manufactories in the area and try some indigenous copies. It's worth a watch.

  • @ForgottenLore
    @ForgottenLore Рік тому

    It's crazy the amount of labour that goes into these, it's honestly the commitment alone that impresses me. Needs must when the devil drives.

  • @michelguevara151
    @michelguevara151 Рік тому +1

    allways interesting the things they manage to produce in the khyber pass

  • @donwyoming1936
    @donwyoming1936 Рік тому +3

    It's amazing to see them torch cut a pistol frame some scavenged boiler plate and mill it into a frame using repurposed drill presses. Never see any heat treating or quality control.

  • @JGCR59
    @JGCR59 Рік тому +1

    When you enter the village, some guy called to you in Pashto "looking to protect yourself, or deal some damage?"

  • @Ass_of_Amalek
    @Ass_of_Amalek Рік тому +7

    other than the mechanical problems, this actually looks quite well-made to me. if this is not a good one, then ian needs to finally show some of those alleged "well-made khyber pass guns"!

  • @User_Un_Friendly
    @User_Un_Friendly Рік тому +3

    I'm wondering if we're going to see this revolver again in another video, because we already know Ian is planning to put a bid in...🤣

  • @JamesLaserpimpWalsh
    @JamesLaserpimpWalsh Рік тому +2

    Cheers Ian. I like these eclectic ones.

  • @luqmanhanif4578
    @luqmanhanif4578 Рік тому

    My father having this revolver first 1976 one is 38 bore and know since 1978 32 bore revolver and the monster still in excellent condition and working.
    Love from Pakistan

  • @chiphailstone589
    @chiphailstone589 Рік тому +1

    I have one in .38. Its a combo of MK2,3 and 4's. Buff horn grips and "WEBLEV" and wierd wackensmacks all over it. Lockup is worn and the cylender moves a bit when cocked, so I do not fire it.

  • @bladesofseven
    @bladesofseven Рік тому

    I am a simple man, I see Ian analyzing a gun from the Khyber Pass, I am obligated to watch.

  • @Nam8Macs
    @Nam8Macs Рік тому +1

    Truly this is one of the forgotten weapons of all time

  • @gustavesoucy-breton6841
    @gustavesoucy-breton6841 Рік тому +1

    oh my god! i saw this pistol on the wikipedia page and i wanted someone to review it! thank you!

  • @comiketiger
    @comiketiger Рік тому

    So many interesting finds Ian. Fascinating histories.
    Thanks for sharing!
    God bless all here.

  • @beatrute2677
    @beatrute2677 Рік тому +1

    ive heard that some real nice stuff comes out of the khyber pass along with the terrible.

  • @shaider1982
    @shaider1982 Рік тому +3

    Hope Ian can review guns from Danao City, Cebu, Philippines in the future.

    • @dlmsarge8329
      @dlmsarge8329 Рік тому +2

      Was thinking the very same thing!! Some of the videos from there are terrific!

  • @keenanmcbreen7073
    @keenanmcbreen7073 Рік тому +4

    If i did get into collecting some sort of firearms, Khyber Pass or the Chinese knockoff stuff would probably be what i would collect, its like a special kind of mechanical art.

  • @peterconnan5631
    @peterconnan5631 Рік тому +1

    The position of the locking bolt cuts in the cylinder is scary!

  • @Scourgething
    @Scourgething Рік тому +8

    I wonder what would happen if you gave these guys modern machine tools and tasked them with producing an original design.

    • @mjbranch2109
      @mjbranch2109 Рік тому +3

      I mean you’ll need injection moulding for the plastic bits, but guns really haven’t changed too much

    • @WALTERBROADDUS
      @WALTERBROADDUS Рік тому +6

      They would probably build something a lot better than your average Hi-Point.

    • @zxggwrt
      @zxggwrt Рік тому +4

      They’ve got some modern tools coming in from China for sure. I’ve seen them in other regional videos from Pakistan. The era of this pistol where it’s all hand done is passed.

    • @hellothere1656
      @hellothere1656 Рік тому

      They make an original design called the DSA trushot pistol but is made by an arms company in Pakistan and I dont think they make them in Dara.

  • @djowen5192
    @djowen5192 Рік тому +2

    Oh America, don't ever stop. 'Ham' Place-name suffix, variously indicating a settlement, farm or enclosure. From the old English with West Germanic root. Quite often but not always refers to a settlement within or enclosed by a waterway. 😊

  • @boylukefirearms
    @boylukefirearms Рік тому +2

    thanks for your work guys👍🏼

  • @ZGryphon
    @ZGryphon Рік тому +1

    At last, a worthy competitor to Smill & Wilson of Sprangfeld.

  • @tomwilliams8675
    @tomwilliams8675 Рік тому +1

    "This gun is non of these"🤣😄 Thanks Ian. During that pistols lifetime I wonder how many times it was fired while the timing wore out until it started splitting bullets in half in the face of the shooter.

  • @philhawley1219
    @philhawley1219 Рік тому

    I laughed at your comment on the misspelling of Birmingham. I own a Ugartechea Spanish 12 Bore shotgun imported to England by Parker Hale of Birmingham just around the corner from the old BSA works. On the top rib the name of the aforementioned city is stamped as" Birminghan" Spot the deliferate smelling mistale! And that was stamped on by a Brummie!

  • @pelosiseyebrows5641
    @pelosiseyebrows5641 Рік тому +4

    I really enjoy your videos!!!
    Very interesting and informative.

  • @alexwood1142
    @alexwood1142 Рік тому +1

    In 6th century English Birmingham is the home (ham) of the tribe (ing) of a leader called Birm or Beorma.

  • @jansenart0
    @jansenart0 Рік тому +2

    A monument to human ingenuity.

  • @albertmoradewicz8611
    @albertmoradewicz8611 Рік тому +1

    something is telling me that next Ian’s book will be about Khyber Pass guns😁

  • @JayKayKay7
    @JayKayKay7 Рік тому

    I remember reading somewhere that a British Armorer Sargeant had deserted to the area to stay with his true love and taught the locals how to make firearms.

  • @zedsdeadbaby
    @zedsdeadbaby Рік тому +1

    I always really enjoy Khyber Pass videos!

  • @marvindebot3264
    @marvindebot3264 Рік тому +3

    Now there is a one-off that Fireplace Guy probably won't be interested in. Or, maybe he will, who knows?

    • @con6lex
      @con6lex Рік тому

      He has a lot of Warlord pistols, so this would fit in. Unless he has one already.

  • @weirdautumn
    @weirdautumn Рік тому +4

    The Pathologic revolver :3

  • @pavelsima5853
    @pavelsima5853 Рік тому

    one of perfect ones again, mate... thx!!!

  • @wgs6606
    @wgs6606 Рік тому +3

    Cool, fun, thanks! I used to see similar stuff when deployed to Afghanistan and they always made me laugh even though they made my eyeballs bleed.

  • @WardenWolf
    @WardenWolf Рік тому

    The timing probably worked when it was newer. I see the nub's in there. It looks like it's been well used. I've seen double-stack Tokarevs from there that look and work amazing. Beautiful bluing. Note that a double-stack conversion is a far from simple thing, judging by the hit-and-miss reliability of the similar double-stack 1911's. That they managed this while also making it look spectacular is a testament to those gunsmiths' skill.

  • @tombogan03884
    @tombogan03884 Рік тому

    I know why we never hear about the really good hand made ones. They are just like genuine and offer nothing to talk about beyond where they were made

  • @paidwitness797
    @paidwitness797 Рік тому +1

    Love these type of vids, anyone can google the new stuff, these are real rarities!

  • @myoptik3x103
    @myoptik3x103 Рік тому +1

    At first blush I thought this was a discussion of authentic Webley and I was not particularly interested. When I realized it is actually a Khyber Pass copy I couldn’t click fast enough.