Duke 390 Powertronics ECU Install and Review!- Quarantine build.
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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2020
- Today I received and Installed the Powertronics Piggyback ECU for my 2018 KTM Duke 390. This ECU comes with two preloaded maps, Race and Race +. Designed to smooth out throttle response and increase HP and Tq. Heres a detailed installation and and a brief review of my thoughts on the product.
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Still the best install video 4 years later,.....thanks!
Glad it’s still helping out
Thank you for making this video! You made my install very easy.
Just installed today by using your video and you sure made the install alot easier. That darn throttle sensor almost ripped my entire nail off so for sure a hard one to get!
Great video! I’ve been thinking of getting one for my duke but always have been hesitant as there’s no videos about it till now. After seeing this, I’m more confident that I will be able to do it easily. Appreciate the effort you’ve taken to do it. Now time to order one mine!
Its an easy job and you'll love how the Powertronic improves the power and smooths out some of the roughness.
Thank you Mike! Will be needing this once i have my powertronic. Cheers!
I just finished mine up. The bike is running so much better than before.
Was yours a stock bike before or modified?
Thanks bro, got mine come this week
Thanks for making this video! Brilliant!
Best Duke 390 video I have seen. I did the PC5 and Auto Tune install on my bike. You pointed out all the little tricks and things to watch out for. It would have saved me a lot of time. The PC5 alone was a waste of money, and after buying the add on Auto Tune my bike still ran like crap. Dyno Jet help line was totally useless with helping me. They gave me a crappy map to install. I ended up taking the bike to Evan Steel Performance and having them Dyno Tune my bike. They agreed the map that Dyno Jet gave me was crap and managed to get an additional 10 horsepower for me. Two days later, I pulled a code that the dealership read as faulty upstream 02 sensor. I got pissed and removed all the go fast stuff and went back to stock. I kept all the parts and someday will build it again. Next time I think I will go the Powertronics route instead of Power Commander. Keep up the great videos, they help tremendously.
Thanks for sharing your experience. So many people post piggyback installations. Then the results are usually just word of mouth. Problem is most people see no real performance gains & are embarrassed that they wasted their money on some dud piggyback system. Honestly I can't justify the purchase without any real DYNO chart results
Wow nice video I didn’t even realise it was 30min long 😲👍🏽
Just did mine and used yours as a quick reference.
Great video bud
Lol... I missed my map switch too. I bought mine used didn't see it till I was done.
Intuvied my harness to the rear brake side of the frame then under and over the gas tank.
I removed the support brace under the gas tank and crossed it over.
The throttle sensor was definitely the most annoying but not too bad.
Great effort 👌 so helpful. Keep it up 🤠
thanks man this vid helped me
Great video Very Thorough info Thank U 🙏 👍
I have already bought the powertronic, but havent followed the reset procedure for the ECU so I'll be doing it your way and just bought the map selector switch. Waiting for it! Thanks for the video.
I just finished putting mine up.
Solid.thanks man!
Great video man
Thanks, appreciate it.
Installed ur vid was a great help thanks and recommend powertronics bike is a lot better
Great video! Thinking about doing the same with my 390.
Do it. You wont regret it.
Great video man! I’m about to order one once they start shipping them out again for my Vit. I also watched your sprocket video and tempted on that too, but don’t want to lose torque as I do a lot of city riding also. I’ll probably make a vid on a Vitpilen install, may help in routing through different fairings. Thanks!
For sure make a video for the vitpilen. If you watch my short Motovlog from yesterday you'll see I'm happy to report the bike feels no less powerful than it was on the stock 15t.
Mike Bruns ah okay nice! I wrapped my vit in a video I posted if you plan on wrapping your 390. Similar fairing angles
I'm actually waiting on some vinyl to show up. I'll have that up in a video soon 😉. I'll check yours out.
Make sure you have a PC laptop
just ordered mine can't wait to install
You wont be disappointed. Map 2 is awesome. Much smoother running over all. I read that Powertronics is temporarily suspending order shipping until april 20th due to Covid-19.
@@MotoMedicine904 No way, that's why mine hasn't shipped.. either way gotta get some warranty work done so can't installed it until then :/
is it easier to pop wheelies?
Yes, map 2 is very easy to pull the front end up with. It's always done a small power wheelie when it was stock if I hammered the throttle from like 5mph, it would pull up a few inches off the ground. But with map 2 it can pull up 2 feet off the ground pretty easily.
@@MotoMedicine904 which is best map for track riding?
love the vw euro plate
Nice vid. Those connectors are all unique bastards! Also enjoy the coober airbox mod seems to add some midrange grunt as well as giving it a gorgeous induction honk!
Yepppp I have the coober lid, comp werkes cat delete, yoshi slip on and the Powertronic.
@@MotoMedicine904 ha yes, I have almost the same, I have pipe werx cheap arse cat delete [true straight through/straight pipe] which I switch out with a Leo Vince cat delete [has a mid muffler] when I don't want to piss the neighbours off so much. Always with the dB killer in. The induction honk with the pipe werx is the sweetest as is the burble on deceleration... and an Arrow slip on which is fine..... I remember the 1st ride with the pipewerx straight pipe and Arrow slip on with dB killer out...... holy fuck... too loud. I scared the shit out of everyone on the road. I could see & hear the glass rattling of the windows of businesses I was next to when stuck in peak hour traffic... I had to hold the clutch in whilst passing some cops praying "Sweet fucking Jesus get me home without getting pulled over and I'll put the dB killer in"
Mine still sets off csr alarms if I rev too much next to them 😅
Don’t you have to do a tps relearn? And do you not leave the orange ecu on it?
I will see if it works on a 2020 KTM 390 adventure! great vid thanks!
Hi sir, did it work on a 390 adventure?
Amigo que ecu comprar o donde la compro 390 2016 duke, soy de merida yuc ,cual powertronic pedir
What brake and cluch lever are you using? Looks Nice 👍🏻
Arigatouuu senseiii
Got mine yesterday gonna install on my vitpilen Saturday
You'll love it. Report back and let me know your thoughts.
Mike Bruns I bought a Hi-flow filter should I go ahead and slap an exhaust on it too??
@@BF703 you don't have to if you don't want to. If anything I would keep the stock muffler and get a cat delete pipe. Very affordable option vs getting a new slip on muffler.
Mike Bruns so I installed everything pretty easy install buuuuut I have a Mac and can’t calibrate the throttle any ideas their support team can’t be reached atm
@@BF703 you don't have to do a throttle calibration. I never did.
just curious...can powertronic ecu using stock wiring harness? tq
How do you like the windshild
Great walk-through. Zip-tie gashes are a really thing (speaking from experience), buy a pair of cheap pair of electronics flush cutters and trim up those zip tie tails. It’s all fun fun and games until you reach in there to adjust something.
None of my zip ties were left untrimmed. Those parts just didn't make it in the video
can you send me the link of that front glass
Hello sir i am having a 2022 KTM DUKE 390 and i am trying to install the powertronics ECU will this harm the engine? My friend has installed the powertronics in his ktm and the timing chain tensioner was gone what do you think about this sir please help !
awesome
When I saw the Powertronics harness I thought, no fuckin' way! I'll stick with 100 mph.
Is this the same for the 125 ?
I have duke 390 2019 stock?
What other mods done on the bike? Did you do a cat delete? What exhaust? Does the powertronics wiring harness plug into the factory harness? Or is the factory harness just unplugged from everything and not used?
I have installed my duke but it’s make a problem.Throttle body is fully damaged.Powertronic said my TP corrupt.I purchased another PT.Now bike can’t start.I removed pt harness.And bike goes to stock mode…
Thanks for the detailed install! Instructions in box were vague and this helped me do a nice routing and initial set-up. I’m running 3/4 Yosh de-cat with a K&N filter and seem to be running smooth at lower rpm, pick-up is much faster, but a lot of popping on quick downshift decelerations. Where can I get the dyno map you referred to? I’d like to give that a try to see if it runs a little better.
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👍🔥Is it increasing top speed? What are the advantages of buying it?
Hey man, can you possibly send the Map you’re using to me? I’m looking to get the same Ecu. Thanks!
Hey man awesome video.
I have a few questions maybe you could help answer.
Did you have the yoshi on in this video? I wanna buy a powertronic and I have the competition werkes per-silencer delete with stock cat and stock silencer. I wanna keep it that way and add a coober air box lid. Is the powertronic maps setup for a bone stock bike? Would I need a dyno tune with just those little mods? I dont want extra loud or crazy fast I just want a safe tune with out getting too lean.
The Powertronic tune is set up to improve the bike even in stock.form but has enough additional fuel that modifications such as the coober airbox lid or filters plus exhaust mods will be fine to have as well.
@@MotoMedicine904 Thanks man I really appreciate the help.
Im biginer ... About ECU .... What us use of powertronic .... How it workss plzz let me know 😢
What does this powertronic thing?
The procedure you do at the final for the idle reset is written somewhere? Because I just bought mine and cant see anything similar in the TPS calibration manual, actually that manual comments that must plug the powertronics unit into the computer and move the throttle. Can u explain that to me please? I do not want to ruin my installation
The idle relearn has nothing to do with the TPS calibration. They are separate.
? Why did you pick the 2 maps vs 10 maps they offer ?
I have a 390 adventure and since your video, really
thinking about adding one to mine.
Thanks
You'll see in later videos I ended up going with a map that was created on a Duke 390 that was professionally tuned on a dyno for the same mods I was running. That map has been shared through my channel and FB group more than 300 times and haven't had a bad review on it.
Can anyone explain the idle process to me and where to get that reader thing ?
To perform an idle relearn you should put the bike on a rear stand so that the kickstand can be up. If you don't have a stand then you'll have to sit on it. Once the stand is up start the bike and let it idle for no less than 15 mins and no more than 16. DO NOT touch the throttle at all during the process. Once the time had elapsed shut the bike off and turn the key off. That's it.
My Duke doesn’t start now 😿
How i get more backfier on ktm 390 duke
Take off the emissions equipment is step one. Then run a tune with a richer air fuel ratio.
Hey im getting a 2019 duke new from the dealer.. would this ecu work on stock everything ? I just want to get a good throttle response then eventually install coober air filter then a slip on muffler ...thank in advance
Yes it will work on a stock bike as well
MotoMedicine thanks man ... also if i change the front sprocket to 16T do i need to get the piggyback ecu first before changing it or i dont need too ... im from canada so im guessing it will take awhile to get the ecu
i connect the harness everything works great with stock coupler. However it wont work with powertronic ecu installed. Any ideas on what my problem could be? What version ecu are you running so I can match it up with mine.
Make sure the PT unit is fully seated. Mine worked fine out of the box. I never did any sort of updates to it.
@@MotoMedicine904 can you send me your map files?
My ecu was faulty they send me a new (I had to pay for shipping) and the new one worked
So I missed the chance on the free map switch, so I was wondering how often did you end up using it. Sounds like I should set it up without the switch for MAP 2 and have a fun unicycle.... Any thoughts?
I always left mine in Map 1 of the Dyno Tune i had. So it's not a huge deal to have it.
@@MotoMedicine904 Hey man, can you possibly send the Map you’re using to me? I’m looking to get the same Ecu. Thanks!
can we get instruction / user manual of this powertronic/ piggy back in google search ?
If you go to powertronicecu.com they should have users manuals available digitally. Otherwise you get one in the box
I watch the whole video . Im surprice that there is so many wires going around. Please can you tell me the price of that tronic kits,?
And what hp do you get after installed?
The unit is $300. Expect to see around a 3-4 horsepower and torque gain. You will feel it.
Can we use 6th gear in 50kmph, is it smooth enough in low rpm like duke 200 ?
I run 4th gear for 50-65 kmph ?
Can somebody help me out just getting into motorcycles. Will I need that diagnostic device he had at the end of the video i seen that it doesn’t come with the kit so will I need it? And will putting a ecu on my Duke effect a tune up for when I get one from the dealership like valve adjustments?
I dont have any diagnostic device in this video. A tune will not effect any maintenance items such as valve adjustments, ect.. it may void your warranty but you can always remove it before taking it in for dealer related services.
Cool thankyou man!!
Well this would have been useful, when i got mine there were no instructions for duke models only RC...
Hey man I got a question. I just bought a 2017 Duke 390 dirt cheap and it came with a Powertronic with the map switch. My question is; Can you switch the maps on the fly or do you have to cut the bike off and then switch maps? Thanks
You can do it on the fly
@@MotoMedicine904 thank you so much! Ride safe brother
Hi guys I have just bought a 2017 DUKE 390 and was wondering what is the best set up from Stock bike. Can I just fit one of the Powertronics and change stuff later?
Yes you can. It will smooth out the throttle and gain a little bit of power on the base maps that's come pre-installed on it.
@@MotoMedicine904 thanks for the advise I am going to buy and fit one now I feel a bit easier about messing with my DUKE.
have you had any stalling issues with the bike? Im now passed the break in period at 710 miles and still getting the stalling issue. I have a rapid bike easy installed and I still get the same issue. when I pull the clutch in and coast or if i blip the throttle multiple times in a row its like it leans out for a second and then just stalls. it always starts right back up but its dangerous. I also get the oil light some times for a split second when the bike is hot and IM starting out in first gear. I think both issues are related and wondering if you had this and if the powertronics fixed it?
My stalling went away with the Powertronic. Have you checked your oil level lately? The oil pressure warning would have me nervous.
@@MotoMedicine904 yeah oil level is right where it should be. I've read its pretty common.
@@The_gordo_channel when you turn the key, let the fuel pump cycle fully till it “clicks”... takes about 10 seconds.... after it “clicks”, then start the bike.... it doesn’t stall for me if I do this. 🤷🏻♂️
@@marcchiaravallo1257 thanks I have since installed the powertronic ECU and was still getting stalling issues from time to time and I actullay manually adjusted the fuel table for maps and gave it just 1% of fuel over stock between 500 and 2500 Rpms @ 0-26% Throttle and this seems to have fixed the "blipping the throttle" stall issue but I still rarely get the stall out if I pull in the clutch at +4k rpm and let it fall on its face. I read that this one has todo with the cltuch cable adjustment so I will try that next. Seems ridiculous to have to jump through all these hoops to make a brand new bike run properly.
I hope you removed your air box lid and made your own map. Removing the air box lid with tuning gives good mid range and awesome top end power.
I am running a custom dyno tune and have the Coober Airbox lid. The bike hauls now.
@@MotoMedicine904 ok, check out grayareaktm USA they have amazing performance upgrades for 390 series. You can go upto 52+ wheel horse power with those parts. I am in the process of buying those parts. 👍
Did you order yours with the exhaust map?
All I have is a slip on and I’m trying to decide which map to use? The website makes it sound like any exhaust change to run the exhaust tune but it’s hard to believe that’s the case with just a slip on....
So from what I have found and others in our Facebook Group have gathered... Map 2 is the exact same as the "exhaust" map that Powertronic has on their website in the downloads area. I personally have messages from Powertronic that both Map 1 and 2 that come on the unit when ordered are safe to use on a stock bike. The key difference is Map 2 adds additional fueling and timing to create more power. That additional fuel is only complimented when the bike can breathe easier by the use of exhaust mods and an air filter mod. Hope that helps you.
Mike Bruns sure does!!
You did yours before the car delete and felt a difference between using map 2 correct?
You just had a different can and no air box mod?
I will probably order the air box mod too. Seems like a good idea! Thanks
Exactly. My bike had only the Yoshi slip on at the time of me installing the PT ECU... Map 1 was smooth is what I noticed the most and you could smell the additional fuel as soon as the bike started up. Switching into Map 2 is where I felt the actual power gains. First time I flipped into map 2 I made a U turn and hit the throttle wide open while rolling maybe 6-8mph and the front end came up off the ground a good 2-3 feet. I was shocked to say the least. It never did that to me before. So the proof of the additional power was there.
MotoMedicine where did you find the info on how to do the idle relearn? I did not see it in the instructions for the ECU. Just want to make sure I do it correctly. Throttle still seems a lot smoother down low though even with just plugging the unit in.
Use this link and it will take you to the website where you can download a few different instructions they have. TPS Calibration is the 1st one.
powertronicecu.com/generic-manual/
How do you change maps if they don’t include the switch
It comes with a Jumper clip at the end of the wire where the switch plugs into. When it's plugged in you're in Map 1 and if you unplug it, it switches to map 2.
@@MotoMedicine904 awesome thanks dude! Just ordered one so i was curious.
Since it's been two years what are your thoughts on it now was it worth it?
He shoved it
Great guide, I'm thinking about doing the same now...tell me what set up do you have re decat? exhaust? air filter etc....and need to know the preloaded maps will be suitable for my decat free flow exhaust and coober air cover set up. Thanks......
I have a Coober Air Box Lid, Comp Werkes Mini Cat Delete, Yoshimura Alpha slip on, and the Powertronic ECU. The preloaded maps will work just fine with those mods.
OK, just seen your other vids......so this Powertronics is JUST what I need then...?? Yes?
@@MotoMedicine904 Thanks buddy....did the coober cover make any difference?
The biggest difference the coober lid made for me was the loud induction noise it makes. Not sure I noticed a bunch of extra power but it did seem to rev more happily and freely after it.
Just ordered mine with a dna filter lid
Nice. How much has your bike run so far?
Is there any noticeable difference in heat?
My bike has a little over 2700 miles on it. The fan does seems to turn on less after the Powertronic ECU was put on. Having a richer fuel mixture helps cool the engine down.
Does this cause damage to the engine on the long run.?
Not when it's tuned properly. Running a bunch of performance mods without an ECU is what causes damage
@@MotoMedicine904 Do you have any maps to recommend? do you think the map could break the exhaust valve?
Is this also going to work for a duke 125?
You need to visit Powertronic ECU's website and look for the one sold specifically for the 125.
@@MotoMedicine904 oke thank you🙂
Hi, best video ever! I only have a question, pls answer me😊
Will it be still legal if they inspect my bike? Because duke 390 is my first bike and i don't want any problem but that ECU is perfect so i was wondering if it was legal?
That depends a lot of the Country or State but for the most part its not illegal. Typically what people have to be careful about is the removal of Emmissions equipment such as the catalytic converter.
Ecu remappd top speed how much bro ur d390
About 107 is the max I've seen. That was with a slight downhill. Typically its like 104/5
What is the name of the idle tool you used at the end of install and where can I get one ….. this video has convinced me to install one myself but I need that idle tool you used ……… TIA ……. Great video also!!!
It's just a timer counting down the 15 minutes.
So after install disconnect battery for ten minutes or so reconnect and start bike with the PT ecu connected let idle for 15 minutes and presto it’s done ??? Awesome Sauce ….. thanks bud …… safe rides …… rubber side down.
The battery will already be undone during your install so no need to unhook again.
How long did it take to receive your ecu? I just ordered ecu, quicksilver and map switch
3 days from Texas
So you live in Texas or that's where it came from? I know they have a location in Texas
@@mrduk3999 it got to me from Texas in 3 days. I'm in California
Thanks. I ordered yesterday. It still says processing
Keep in mind mine was right before covid really messed things up so there could be some small delays these days. My buddies unit even had to be shipped from India
Is the ECU with quickshifter worth it ? Or is the cheaper one enough ?
I'm i don't feel its necessary but it would be cool to have. One day I'll probably buy it.
Quickshifter makes sense if the bike has throttle by wire. With a plain throttle cable it's much less useful (works properly only on upshifts).
You do know that the 390 Duke is throttle by wire. You need an auto blipper for down shifts.
@@MotoMedicine904 Yes, that's it.
By the way your video helped me a lot thanks, but I feel like I gain a little bit of power in the low end and lost a lot in the Tom end.
It could be because you need to open up your air intake or exhaust a bit. What are your mods?
@@MotoMedicine904 I just have the ecu, I have a air box cover coming and I’m not doing a muffler
@@chrishomola3877 the airbox will help yhe top end a but but opening up the exhaust would also help too
Great video man! Help so much with my install. I plan on doing the slip on and air box mod. Do you think you can email me the map you are using?
DM my instagram
Will this work on a 2020 ktm 390 duke?
You would need to talk to Powertronic. The US bikes have not been updated so yes it would work, but the BS6 Euro bikes have some new features that I would make sure are compatible..mainly the factory quickshifter
Looking at purchasing it today if it will thanks!
Got a hold of powertronic through email, they have not yet tested this unit on a 2020, maybe mine can be a test subject lol
Hi bro if installed ecu can you change the bike mode between street & moto sport
Only if you have tunes made for those 2 separate activities. That's not how it works out of the box
Thanks very much bro
I got my powertronic a few months ago and finally got it dyno tune my RC390 is pushing 47hp to the wheel if i was u i ll do the same cuz the maps from factory are garbage ride safe brother.
I'm not running a base map anymore. I'm running a custom tune that someone else sent to me from their dyno tune. So far its done much better.
@@MotoMedicine904 nice yeah man the stock maps are useless ride safe :)
@@MotoMedicine904 whenever u get a chance get the quickshifter you gonna love it :)
@@MotoMedicine904 can you send me that map? I have an RC390 2019.
@@sansarnex +1
Are you in Florida??
I am now. I was in SoCal at that time
What part of FL?
After presumably 3 years of ownership of this bike and piggyback ECU, would you still recommend? Also at the very end of the video you mentioned the throttle being manipulated in a way that equals less turning physically and more gas (essentially a quick turn throttle). This is one of my largest complaints on my Duke 390. Do you still feel like this ECU has helped in this area after more seat time with it?
I owned this bike for about 8 months, 6 of which were with the ECU installed. I would do it over again if I had the choice.
@@MotoMedicine904 thanks for replying and the advice!
This is also ktm rc 390 ?
Yes they sell them for the Rc390 as well.
Have you ever lost power in the top end
No. A feeling of loss of power in the top end can be a sign the valves need adjustment though.
@@MotoMedicine904 Did you do the throttle program thing on the computer
Yes
@@MotoMedicine904 Did it make a difference
Can you send ordering link
Its in the description
whats the cost
Theyre usually $299
And the Big question is:
How much more HP?
How much more Torque?
On average you'll gain about 3-5 peak hp and torque but it will also help fatten up the midrange and make more power across the rev range.
@@MotoMedicine904 I'm 55+ and new to the riding world 🌎.I use to race cars and I'll always welcome additional Horsepower. As soon as I get my 390 Duke, this will definitely be on the list. Thank you and Ride Safe.
this seems a ball ache an so your telling me you cant just go to a dyno center an they cant just remap the original ecu like you can on cars via the obd2 port
Nope. There are no flash services for KTM street bikes past 2015/16 basically. My Super Duke 990 I was able to flash my ECU using the Tune ECU program.
Do the fairings need to come off though ?
Yes. You cant lift the tank slightly without removing them.
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That looked like the smoke from a spark.
Hm that did look odd but I think its just fine dirt/dust that got picked up especially with the light on. Its impossible for it to spark when the battery isn't hooked up. Plus the coil pack was unplugged from power as well. Only the line leading to the spark plug was on it.
Yeah, something did. Deeznuts
😂
Those are garbage. It still doesnt fix the lead condition
Hi, using this powertronics made any problem to your bike engine ? I’m so double minded to get this . As already duke 390 is high compression engine can this handle this?
No issues. If anything it helps improve engine life by providing more optimal fueling and less chances for detonation
@@MotoMedicine904 thanks lot