Big Boy Towing Wars! 2018 Ford Expedition vs Chevy Suburban
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I have a '15 suburban and I absolutely love it when towing. I haul 6500 lbs behind it all the time through hilly West Virginia roads and it goes like a champ! The auto leveling suspension is a amazing. No more feeling like you're looking at the sky. Ford looks nice but I'll stick with my suburban!
Ryan Huffstutler subarbans are the best
Leo 123 had a Sierra but then kids happened lol
Would you consider the new rst Tahoe.?
Ranjit if I had that kind of money I would lol. That thing is mean looking.
Ryan Huffstutler what kind of grades are you hitting in West Virginia?
You guys should do the Expedition Platinum vs the 2018 Yukon XL Denali now that it also has the new 10 speed and 6.2 V8
Jorge Garcia I don't think that would be a good comparison Ford's luxury line would be Lincoln so maybe the navigator vs Denali would be a little more fair in my opinion
The Platinum Competes directly with the Denali lmao
It will be unfair for the Ford lol... Even with the Yukon vs Navigator it will be unfair...
lonesome187 I thought the Lincoln Navigator competes with the Cadillac Escalde
I agree with Jorge, at a price point, the Expedition Platinum compares to the Yukon Denali. Max level vs max level is the right comparison. I'm a Ford guy and love the durability of the Ford vs GM, but please compare apples to apples.
The 10 year rust challenge should be interesting....lol
Patrick OHarold frame will rust out on both of them unfortunately, the only thing that keeps me from getting a new truck :(
TravisDude911 the Expedition doesnt have a frame. It's a unibody. The Ford won't rust. The chevy will.
The Expedition is truck based body on frame.
FYI - Rust is an electrochemical corrosion. Aluminum body panels and e-coated frames will long outlast the current version of anything built with inferior coated frames (wax) and painted steel. Just a fact. Visit any junk yard and within the row of rusting hulks you will see many examples. None of which will be rusting aluminum bodies.
I can already see I am wasting my time with you. BTW - All F-series use steel frames with 77% being "High-strength steel". That is up from 23%. Again unmatched by any rival right now. Visit any auto junk yard and then visit any aircraft junk yard and you will see first hand the differences that time and corrosion has on these materials. Also fatigue is a result of a weakening of material caused by repeatedly applied loads. All metals are subject to fatigue. Its what engineers do, they design parts to last for so long. Usually a part that failed due to fatigue has less to do with material and more to do with applied design. I suppose you will disagree until the brand that you covet the most also switches to Aluminum panels and steel frames with more high strength steel in them. Because its only a matter of time that they all will be doing the same thing and follow Ford's lead.
I'm still irked that GM dropped the 3/4 ton Suburban.
Still can't believe this costs more than a platinum superduty. Hell no.
Frank Mischler yeah its reslly crazy. No way id buy this.
BUILT DIESEL MAFIA yea definitely just doesn’t make any sense
Thougb it is very pricey, of course it more expensive than a pickup truck, it's a full size suv
what's the price of these? Cause up here a 2017 f350 Lariat with some options stickers at close to $84,000 CND
Quick4A6 84k us dollars for a platinum expedition. Platinum f350 sticker is about 75k where i am.
The Chevrolet Suburban does come with a 6.2L only equipped in the RST edition.
That's definitely the one you want.
The RST Package is only available on the Tahoe. (watch their RST video on this channel) sadly.
Apparently Ford didn't allow Chevy's comparably priced unit which didn't quite make it a fair test.
Yukon xl comes with the 62
The 6.2 and the 10 speed
Thanks for not throwing in a bunch of commercials Roman, people do appreciate it.
It always sucks when you have someone literally overlooking your shoulder and making sure your saying all the right things right guys haha
Lmaoo People Are Mad A V6 Beats A V8
Anyone else notice that they said “10 speeds should be better for fuel economy” plus with the smaller engine in the ford, but gets worse in both categories
A big problem with the F150 for towing is how much squat is in the back end. Anyone who’s ever had a load in their F150 and driven down a gravel road knows how much flex there is in the rear suspension (and frame), so it’s disappointing to see this ‘brand new’ truck squat so much. I’m pretty sure that Suburban uses a 5-link and the RAM does too (and also offers load-levelling abilities with the air suspension). I guess Ford is all about those profit margins. Sad to see. Such a missed opportunity.
Expedition looks more modern. Great video guys! Keep up the good work
I learned nothing in this review, but I still love your reviews.
I noticed that the Expedition had a little more squat from the trailer but I doubt it was enough to cause a sway. Any heavier and I would use a equalizer hitch for sure. We have a 2013 Expedition EL and we had a 2003 that we pulled some very heavy trailers with no issues with an equalizer hitch.
The Suburban has withstood the test of time with a simple formula. It has the longest production run for any American automobile and there is a reason why.
Chevrasaki what's the reason why? What's the reason why they filed bankruptcy? What's the reason why they have made a suburban for 80 yrs and ford comes right along with the expedition to beat it. Gm is sorry
Chris Eagle let me know when the expedition beats the suburban in sales
Not an argument for either but fun fact: suburban is the longest continuously running model name in history. Of any vehicle. Has never missed a model year I read.
Chevrasaki well said
Chevrasak Yes, taxpayer money.
You guys should do a Lincoln navigator vs Cadillac escalade vs Ike gauntlet
You know I like Chevy's trucks, I just can't stand their fans. You people know I'm talking to you. Every time a Chevy beats a Ford at anything, you people rub it in our faces, saying that only homosexuals drive fords and Chevy is better, blah blah blah all that crap and frankly I'd rather blow torch my own nipples off. But, as soon as Ford beats Chevy, they cheated somehow. Can't we just agree that, both in their own rights, these trucks are fantastic achievements?
Chevy needs to increase their power train in the Suburban be truly.
Yes,Because The 6.2L V8 Is The Truth!
C'mon GM, please put the 6.2/10 spd in across the whole suburban line. (Not just the RST)
NWI why would they do That?
Derek Ortiz ummmm maybe because its badass powertrain and would decimate all
NWI i think gm should put 5.3, 6.0,6.2 and the duramax across the truck and suv line depending on what customers need from their vehicle... Personally i think gm should give the option of a duramax suburban.
God damn that expedition looks ugly af, why even bother trying to make an suv ford?! You cant compete with the suburban/tahoe.
I still prefer the the chevy suburban
That squat on the Expedition though. 😬
It should be against the Denali
AMJD8 why
Justin Davison Because price
I️ agree, price, and power
They tried a expedition platinum which includes slightly higher power output. The chevy was the plain suburban 5.3 v8. It should have been a lower trimmed expedition against the 5.3 chevy. Then pair up the platinum expy with gmc denali 6.2 v8. Finally we get to the lincoln navigator against cadillac escalade.
Christo Michaelides Totally agree
I love the history of the classic Suburban. The military and government has used them and still uses them for a reason.
Maybe u should try doing it with a gmc Denali Yukon with a 10 speed and a 6.2 and let’s see what happens
Benjamin Burge as long as they get to use the navigator with an extra 80hp
I like how ford pulled a suburban from 2015. 6 months into production in 2015 gm decided to which from 6 to 8 speeds. Can’t even put apples to apples 2015 vs. 2018 model. Wow! Ford.
Challenge accepted I much rather have a 6.2 liter with 420 horses than a 3.5 liter than sounds like a Rice burner. Also with trailer braking controls.
Benjamin Burge I was at the eastern states exposition also known as The Big E in the Northeast and they have every year a Chevrolet truck and car display and I talked to one of the Reps as to why they didn't put the 6.2 liter in the 2500 HD trucks he told me the motor wasn't designed to be a tow motor or work motor because of it being all aluminum and they didn't plan on using it in that application it was made to be a sport vehicle or high performance Engine not built heavy duty enough for work applications it was interesting to me
Their a reason why ford put a 2015 Chevy suburban 6 speed against a 2018 Ford Expedition 10 speed they should put a 2018 Chevy suburban comes with a 10 speed. So it’s real apples to apples.
You can't compare the 5.3 to the ecoboost, you'd have to compare the 6.2 to the ecoboost.
eye. Know they're cheaters
🤣🤣🤣Chevy guys always looking for excuses
Abe Campbell Ford guys denying facts. 🙄
No Name i mean the ecoboost is the base and only engine, they can't help it. it you're comparing the optional 6.2, then get the navigator with the optional high output ecoboost. 510 pounds foot of torque
Yeah...cuz that makes sense....🙄
The Chevy looks way more composed vs the Ford. The Expedition has far more rear squat than the suburban. Having a balanced vehicle while towing heavy, relative to the trucks towing capacity, is far more important than who can accelerate faster up a hill. Taking their word for it, the suburbans grade braking was a little better as well. As much as I love forced induction and really like the Ecoboost platform. I'd buy an 2018 suburban with the new 10speed auto over the Ecoboost Expedition any day. More over, I'd prefer a Yukon XL Denali with the 6.2/10sp.
I agree, especially for the price they put on the Expedition, and to only have a damn V6 in it is pathetic. I could care less about the ecoboost shit, that's put there to considerably shorten the engine life and cause nothing but problems and a money pit down the road.
We have a 15 suburban ltz and it pulls our 31’ trailer like a champ. It weighs in probably around 6500 pounds loaded up. Plus the engine braking is a nice feature.
Maybe it's the independent rear suspension
@@wildbill23c the Expedition isnt dropping cylinders and lifters like the 5.3, and still has more power, payload, towing, ground clearance, longer wheel base...🤷♂️
@@workct4102 Its not dropping cylinders because its already missing 2 of them from the factory.
I’ve driven the new 6.2 and the eco post still blows it away especially towing it’s so effortless
I take the Suburban. Not only it's America's most popular SUV FOR over 80 year's but also it's been far more reliable than any garbage Expedition has.
Opal Beifong your the garage omg just fixing stop already you fixing suck ass dude
I'm a garage?. Lol!
Opal Beifong yes you are ducking garbage
Opal Beifong GM trans are poop soo
I'm Zoid gm trans are the most reliable on the market.
You can not beat the SWAG and the ROAD PRESENCE of a Big full Size SUV.
ZAIN ABBAS my 2003 Burban with 6.0 engine, quadrasteer and 3/4 ton with 10 ply tires is the best towing machine on the road, much better than my 6.0 1/2 ton southern comfort high performance gmc
That Ford sure does look a whole lot better than that Chevy…You will be putting lifters in that LS in 1 year
The Ford has the better drivetrain but the Chevy has cooler exterior design tho.
cooler exterior ? no, i would say yukon is better looking that the tahoe .
Ja
Hoss Cartwright and that design costs visibility. Chevy has an issue with this in the Tahoe and camaro as well. It’s actually made me down right HATE driving my parents suv. I haven’t driven an expedition in a while so idk about it. I do really dislike the rear end of the expedition. The lights are massive.
they picked the most beautiful 'Burban. it is amazing! though I did see the Expedition in person and it looks stunning!
I look forward to Ike, since you count the brake applications. shall be interesting. I imagine the 10 speed would do better, I guess not!
This is what happens when ford sponsors a UA-cam channel
They should be using the 2018 GMC Yukon XL Denali 6.2 with the 10 speed auto to be comparable.
You guys are working so hard on your channel, and this awesome video only has 85K views. Why you don't spend some money on advertisements for your channel?!! I'm a big fan from Saudi Arabia and I think amazing work deserves more views
Watching this video I want to see the squat comparison. That Ford looks like it’s sitting pretty low. GMC Denali with a 6.2 would be the better comparison.
5500lbs? that is only 500lbs more than a Ridgeline.
WTF? am I missing something here or these things are terribly underrated?
Anyone else notice the squat on the Expedition?
Independent rear suspension.
The trailer was better suited for the Suburban's hitch ball height. They didn't use a proper tow hitch on the expedition to equalize the level of the trailer. That's what causes that drop. You can see how the trailer is leaning backwards...that means the stock trailer hitch they were using was too high for the level of the trailer. If the Expedition's suspension could not handle the weight, you would see the suspension squatting while the front of the trailer is pointed at the ground. It's the opposite in this case because they did not use a proper leveling hitch which caused the weight of the uneven trailer tongue to push the uneven weight of the trailer down onto the Expedition's hitch attachment point. That's actually dangerous and puts lots of excess strain on your vehicle.
Yea it was squatting quit a bit. The payload is more on the expedition too. I wouldn't tow that trailer around you'll have semi trucks blowing you into the next lane.
Im surprised the crew hasnt been this more. Theres a lot of different suv's to review and tow with.
I'm a car hauler and I move alot of Fords and Chevy's. The expedition was always inferior to the GM counterparts with styling and interior. This year, Ford stepped it up with the new drive train but I've only moved the Platinum edition Expedition and have yet to move the more base trims where you start seeing the short comings of a $50k SUV.
Eh yeah it finally competes, but the 4WD system and space behind the 3rd row is still inferior to the Suburbans/Tahoes. I drive both at work, and when it snows or ices over, I don't dare touch the Expedition. The 4WD system and traction control is absolute garbage. Same thing with a family with a ton of luggage. The Suburban fits it better.
That Expedition surely was squatting
I think the expedition is more a professional truck/van, with more power, more gears, a more upscale interior, massaging seats (for real :o ), whereas the suburban is more of a family truck. 2 screens for passagers, a little bit more room, easier access to seats with a larger corridor to remove/install baby car seats.
I prefer the Suburban if I think of my 5 children, I prefer the Expedition if I think of the massaging seats
I would have failed the Expedition based solely on the Ford Employee insisting he has to come along for the test.😢
Nothing worse than having a 'competitor' sitting in the back seat, to keep an eye on what you're doing.
I wonder how Chevrolet would feel about a Ford Boy sitting there in their Suburban?
My vote, Suburban all the way!
did it have the brake controller on it as well?
Burb needs the 6.2!
The RST Suburban has the 6.2L
I think the Tahoe is more well suited to the expedition than the surburban.
The difference in cargo is due to a V8 vs a small V6. If the Expedition had a V8 in it the cargo would be closer, potentially the Suburban being slightly higher. Drive a 10 speed through town, especially with a load on, it never gets done shifting making the trans pop and bang as it goes to up shift (for the 100th time) just as you get out of it for a red light or traffic.
And regardless of brand, please quit flooring it to tow. Learn where your peak numbers range is and drive it there. It will make life so much easier on your powertrain and make your ride more enjoyable.
FCA is really missing an opportunity by not having a car that competes with these cars. Maybe in the future since consumers want SUV more than sedans now.
Test the 2018 GMC Yukon Denali with the 2018 Ford Expedition Platinum
My father just bought my mom a Tahoe despite our family being a Ford family. It was a brand new 2015 LTZ and it has been to the shop 3 times. It only has 60,000 miles on it. The shock springs broke, the A/C broke, and the transmission had to be repaired due to extremely harsh shifts and jerks.
Robert Stutts people don't realize how bad GM vehicles are until they own one. Then it's nothing but problems and regret.
Wasn’t it weird to have a Ford guy sitting behind you? Seems to be a hard thing to bad mouth the truck with him there if you felt so inclined. But great video as always!
in 1935 chevrolet invented the suburban , since then the formula is working till this day which is 3 rows of seats , cargo area and towing capability . I think the main competition now for the chevy suburban is the toyota sequoia .
In two years the EcoBoost will grenade. The Suburban will still be like new.
The Expedition looks outstanding.
I have driven both of these vehicles over an extended period of time. The Suburban has more leg room, is easier to get in and out of, gets 26 mpg, compared to Ford's 18 mpg in exactly the same driving conditions, and the Chevrolet has a much higher quality of construction / better fit and finish, than the Ford. The Suburban was a much more powerful vehicle to drive. The Ford lacked the torque and acceleration of the Chevrolet. Hands down, the Chevrolet was a far superior vehicle in my experience.
That's absolute BULLSHIT! There is no way the 5.3 V8 gets better gas mileage than a 3.5 EcoBoost. Typical Chevy-idolizing fan.
Prove that the Suburban is more powerful. 355
Dude in the back is like what the hell am I doing here.
Is nobody else bothered by the fact that Ford just put a new grill and tailgate on a Suburban and called the styling good? It's nearly indistinguishable from the side.
I love how they are talking and going down the road in the chevy and its turning 5000 rpm. The 5.3 is not a truck motor. Unless you like pulling at 4500 rpm all day long.
4.3L with twins should be next for GM. Only problem with this idea it would be the grand national again. A v6 faster and more power than the V8
I’ll stick with my 07 Expedition. Tows about the same as the newer model and just as comfortable on long road trips. Plus prices on any SUV has gotten out of control.
1400lbs of payload barely covers the weight of 7 'American' passengers. That's the same payload of my wife's Honda Odyssey.
Which one is the expedition?
Sure looked like a lot of "squat" on the Expedition.
I would much rather have the car be as quiet as possible than have fake engine noise. It seems counter productive.
Look at the expedition sag, need leveling shocks. If the 6.2 l Chevy was in the video we all know what would happen.
kprestwich1 it would be out performed by the ecoboost and then break down.
ap 123 ya your so right, the last 10 years that expedition has been such a game changer. I️ wait your hoping it is. Look at the trailer sag, it has no more than the 5.3 so the 6.2 would walk on it. Not in the video for a reason. Which if it’s a compare it seems these guys fall as well. Who ever paid them more bla bla. 10 yr new style and it doesn’t look better than a Denali or premium Chevy that’s already been out. Go suck a lemon and rethink how you were raised
kprestwich1 and ap123 are delusional. 😂
GM isn’t intimidated by The new Expedition. The Chevy Suburban has the most loyal customers in the Full-Size SUV category.
Denali XL with the 6.2
Should have used the yukon denali with the 6.2
That 5.3 was roaring 😍
Braxton Jurado but not moving. Story of the gm v8
Marc Harris
yet there are so many Fords with GM engines
"...they don't offer the big 6.2 liter...".
I think you meant the big 8.1 liter. It's a shame they got rid of it. You could haul three of those horse trailers.
my 2008 expedition has an 1895lbs payload with HD tow. Seems like they are downgrading these to more car like levels. Im already scraping at the 1900 my truck has now and wouldnt even be able to tow with my family in one of these now. Sad days for wagons :(
The bigger the displacement the better the engine braking
I'd want to see the long-term reliability of those ecoboost engines in this kind of environment. Something about a V8 at 1500 that sounds more reliable at this point. Especially since I'm still running the same 8 and tranny in my 2001 Yukon with 307,000 miles - that I paid 50% less than what they want for them now. So much profit in these rigs.
Except your V8 will still be turning higher RPMs because it has less torque, and a higher rear ratio....that transmission will be downshifting all the time. I know...I have a Chevy with the 6.0 and 6 spd....always shifting just to maintain speed
I tow a Cobalt 232 (6200#) with a 2007 Toyota 4Runner V8. The squat on that Expedition is terrible and the acceleration seemed sub par. It's kind of amazing how sea level makes the 5.3 and Eco Boost similar. From what I saw I'm keeping my car and was NOT impressed by either.
I don't understand why Chevy doesn't offer the Suburban with more power. How about 800hp and 900 ft lbs torque? Why is this not understood that the people want more power?? Especially when you are putting an 80,000 dollar price tag on it. 300 plus hp and 300 plus ft lbs of torque??? Are you kidding me??? Only a fool would invest 80,000 dollars in such a powerless hunk of metal.
No Thanks Ecoboost... Natural Aspiration Please 5.3l or 6.2l
My Grandad had a suburban my dad had a suburban and I have all one and the other 2 and they are all still running and in tip top shPe
$72000,00? Like #ZO LO stated a couple days ago not many of us can afford one of these rigs. I had three horses and our ten year old F250 Powerstroke diesel 4x4 did just fine. Someone else has the truck now and it is still doing its job. Some things are just overkill.
I am interested in the Ford with the Heavy-Duty Trailer Tow Package to tow a Winnebago trailer rated at 6620 dry weight. This will be to use probably like 5-10 times a year for our family of 3. I am new to the RV experience and would like to have feedback. I am not too much fan of a pickup all year long and thought this SUV might be the solution. Thank you
Race the new expedition with the tahoe
Did you see all that squat with the ford
Fuel efficiency has nothing to do with the number of gears. Its just more gears to shift through and create heat and destroy the transmission. Fuel efficiency went out the window when the EPA stuck their noses into engines.
Instead of augmenting the noise why don’t they do noise cancellation and make the interior quiet.
Stephen Lozada basically it is noise cancellation
That's what it is actually
A real comparison would be the 5.3 to the 5.0 and a 6.2 to the 3.5 turbo. Also you can get the 6.2 you just have to get the higher trim.
470lbs in the expedition. 380 in the turban. The burban is the prettiest.
I have owned both and I would never own a suburban again. If you like door handles and trim falling off driving down the road then it is for you. My suburban dash had more cracks than a nudist colony. Same age and miles and the expedition held up way better.
My 2017 Suburban LT 4X4 shows 1677lb. payload capacity. It does not have the optional tow package however or any other options.
Hey guys, great review. Funny enough, i am looking at both these trucks to tow that exact airstream that pulled in behind you at the end. Please, tow an airstream with one! The Expedition has the edge in having the Tow Assist for backing up the trailer.
If you want that 6.2l get the Yukon lx Denali
I wanna see some more testing on a new ram with a 3.6 v6 and 8 speed :)
I love fast lane truck. You guys do a great job
You can easily option a 6.2 and 10 speed in the 2018 Tahoe or suburban
+TanTanBednarski Not for the Suburban. The 2018 Tahoe RST with 6.2l V8 and 10-speed will be available in couple months. The Suburban stays with the 5.3l V8.
The Fast Lane Truck well my local dealer must be confused, I went in to build and price a RST Tahoe and they claim RST is on the suburban too in their system. It might just be you get the appearance of an RST on the suburban (wheels and body color grille) but not the 6.2 and 10 speed like the Tahoe rst?
Chevys are long gone history with those prehistoric engines, no turbos, no twin cam, noting ti offers. Vs Ford, they always take the lead. Great job Ford
Joseph Schneider that means chevy is more reliable.. all these dumbass turbos are expensive to fix.
That expedition has some bad sag while towing
Not real fair pairing up the top Ford Engine option with the Chevy 5.3. Why not test the Ford against the Chevy 6.2 with the 8 speed? Unless it's not offered in the suburban.
Notice the difference in rear squat? Looked like the Burban sat nice and strong....
I think I would prefer the Suburban. Although I think GM would be wise to offer a 6.2 version.
Ima go with the old faithful 5.3 v8 chevy suburban.