Exploring the Ford Expedition VS Chevy Suburban | 11 Years Later - Condition Review & In Depth Tour
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Hey Everyone, in today's review we'll be checking out the 2009 Ford Expedition EL Limited & 2009 Chevrolet Suburban LT. Both vehicles seem pretty nice, but lets see how well they've held up over the past 11 years. Which One would you pick?
#ChevySuburban #FordExpedition #FordVSChevy
I bought my first ford expedition 4 years ago with 165k miles for $6k. Did some updates on all suspension parts and maintenance tune ups, it been running great. No transmission issues or any check engine lights. Still going strong hitting 260k miles soon. Ford built tough for sure!
What year?
I picked up my first Suburban a little while ago. This 05 Burb Z71 4x4 is a tank. Perfect overland/road trip vehicle. Mine has almost 370k miles and still going strong.😊 I would love to add a 2500 4x4 version.
Drove suburbans for 10 years and bought a 2011 Ford Expedition EL Limited 6 years ago. Absolutely LOVE it. Great ride nice features and great looking. At 149,500 miles I have no intention of getting rid of anytime soon.
Love to hear it!
Which is a better car between this Expedition and the Suburban?
Just got rid of my cadillac escalade esv and going into the big expedition el limited. I hope I like the switch.
I loved the interior on my escalade more though
I bought 2009 limited el also with 138,000 love it to
After checking out both brands back in 2004. I bought a brand new Expedition because the 2nd and 3rd row seats go down completely flat and the fit & finish looked higher quality. I still own it to this day. And them outside mirrors on the Expedition have power fold.
I love my expedition i have one engine coil that needs work done to it but I took it to Washington DC and it pulled no problem through all those mountains and too Tennessee same through the mountains no problem. I was able to pack it of everyone clothes and bags and a ton more room and thats stuff for 6 people and everyone was completely comfortable. Absolutely love my ford
Have an 08 expedition el never had an issue .. thought about getting a suburban 09 10 model but after these comments I’m just upgrading to a new expedition!!
I've got a 2008 Expedition XLT. 243,000 miles and runs fine. Oil changes and tuneups. Finally changed the altenator at 237,000 miles. New set of tires and I'm keeping her.
I have a 2012 Expedition EL with 120,000 miles on it (owned since brand new). Glad to hear the 3v Triton is still going strong at 237,000.
@@ThunderStruck94660 People can say what they want, but the Triton 3v engine has been great. It’s not as punchy as my Ram 1500 with the 5.7 hemi was, but it performs just fine. The 6R80 transmission feels amazing after proper fluid changes.
@@BrandonWest87 not sure if they fixed the cam phaser or ticking problem in 5.4 3v for this year's model
Keep it forever. They don't make it like they used to and SUVs of this size these days falls apart day one driving off the lot.
@@ThunderStruck94660Keep it forever. Just bought an 09 a month ago with 99,500 miles.
I have a 2017 Expedition Limited with a 3.5 Eco Boost, awesome power and easy on gas. Zero problems. Tows and handles great. Averages 21.3 MPG when not towing.
I have a 03 expedition Eddie Bauer and a 16 expedition XLT EL love them both. They put the tailgate button on the side for short moms and kids to reach.
In 2017, I swapped by 2009 LT Suburban for a 2014 Expy EL Limited. My Expedition has 90K on it and I have no plans to replace it. If I had to replace it, it would be another Expy or perhaps a Toyota Sequoia. GM build quality has really slid in recent years.
Honestly, GM build quality has been trash since the 90s. Had a ‘91 S10 that was a maintenance queen. Radiator, heater core, several coils, drain plug in the rear diff rounded off inside itself (took a 1/2” drive head), a dozen or so fuel pump relays, 2 fuel pumps, alternator, thermostats, AC compressor, cracked dash, the silver paint had completely deteriorated and was rusting before the truck was even 10 years old (the black paint was okay), the leaf springs sagged, the cloth seats were ruined and tearing apart at the 8 year mark, manual window crank broke, interior door handle return springs broke often, outer passenger door handle snapped in half, a couple of oil pressure sensors, a locked up rear brake drum, and I’m sure I’m missing something else.
Fast forward a few years and my wife wants an HHR so I buy her one. In two years the drivers interior door handle snapped off (was chrome painted plastic garbage), gutless little engine couldn’t even maintain speed climbing hills with 4 adults in it, interior was LOUD on interstates, gear position sensor went out, rear wheel bearings went out, hard plastics everywhere, and it rode like a log truck.
In laws have owned several trailblazers, equinoxes, and Acadias. All of those have had rampant transmission issues. Surging, mis-shifting, TCM error codes…all before 75k miles.
Every Dodge (Ram 1500) Ford (Taurus and Navigator) and Honda (Civic, Insight, Odyssey, Goldwing, Rebel 1100 DCT) product I’ve owned since those GM junkers have all been fantastic vehicles with minimal upkeep aside from fluids, plugs, brakes.
From what I’ve seen, the Expeditions actually tow better. They have a more secure feel when towing heavy trailers at higher speeds. This particular generation has the independent rear suspension which allows for more flexibility, rear seat legroom and fold flat seats.
I believe that, my 08 expedition has loads of power. I think the expedition is built of an F250 chassis. Much better ride and power that my chevy truck, and better build quality all around too.
@@rosewd2 They’re based on the F150. The Excursions were based on the F250.
Eric Fortune: You are correct my friend.
@@rosewd2 They are built at the Kentucky plant which makes the F250, Expedition, and Navigator.
So sad Ford never put a 5.0 in the Expedition
It’s got a 5.4. Doesn’t need a five oh
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👍🏾2007 Ford Expedition beautiful and if you take care of your vehicle it will take care of you God Bless👍🏾
And the can phasers😏don’t forget about the cam phasers🤦♂️
@@philipolson1965 I think they fixed that for the 2008 and up
Team Ford but I'll acknowledge the older Chevy Suburbans are very reliable. Late 90s, early 2000s
That’s when GM knew how to build a truck.
2002-now I’m a ford truck guy. Pre 2002 I’m a Chevy man
Sweet video chad! You should Do a escalade vs navigator next time!!! Best car sales man in south Charleston!!
Omg THANK YOU for not comparing the expi to a tahoe! This is the REAL debate imo lol
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@@toniocavalari6936 well I own an expedition...
Being relatively knew to both vehicles, having never owned either. I have found a ton of "problem" links come up for the 5.4L Ford engine, enough for a DIY mechanic like my self to shy away from. Not seeing the same amount come up for the 5.3L Chevy engine. One thing I think you should to point out for viewers is the amount of latches for child seats. We almost bought a 2010 Suburban yesterday (wanting to upgrade from our minivan, but discovered the 3rd Row only has 1 tether and no anchors... The 2nd row (bench seat in the model we looked at) has 3 tethers, but only 2 anchor systems, 1 on the passenger side and 1 in the middle seat. For older kids this wont be an issue. But with younger kids, this isn't ideal. Great quick comparison video, about cosmetics and creature comforts only.
The 5.4 comes with 3 valve and 4 valves. The three valves are the ones to stay away from according to the Car Wizard. I have a 09 Navigator with 213k miles and the four valve 5.4 and it runs great. Had a 98 Suburban with the 5.7 and the 5.4 seems to have more power.
@@rickwoodruff8211 The 5.4 comes in 2v and 3v formats. The 3v is the new version with deeper plug wells and longer plug shanks.
We bought a 1999 Suburban new. It still runs great. The leather seats are worn and some of the radio lights have stopped working. The paint has started to flake a bit. Other than that it is fine. It doesn’t use any oil. It rides a bit rough. It has taken a lot of people a lot of places. It is a 4x4, and it does great in sand and in snow and ice. It has been worth the money.
Expedition for sure. The 07 + GM vehicles have a crap load of engine issues due to the cylinder disengaging system for better fuel economy. Those cylinders were getting worn out.
The AFM issues were fixed after 2011
@@brickarmed Real good to know..
I’ve had 3 Tahoe’s all over 200k miles no problems sold one with 200k and another with 270k
@@802_djeezy2 What year models were they?
@@brickarmed Thanks, I didn't know they fixed those issues.
After driving both the Suburban and the expedition, I went with the 2009 expedition limited el. The interior, ride quality and power I get from the expedition is just better. It feels stronger and has more features. I am not at 607k miles and she's still running strong.
600k on a 5.4? Just bought my 2010 expedition with 208k. That makes me feel good about it
@@Dylan-yy2dl yup. It was a fleet vehicle with only one owner. It was a great deal and I am very happy with it. I want to hit 1 million miles and take it to ford send see what they offer me. Lol
@@Dylan-yy2dl I bought a 12 expedition. For dirt cheap 512k miles. Its still running strong now at 620k only replaced the alternator. And normal oil changes, brakes etc. Absolutely love it.
@@87antjones do a video of it
I have a Black 08 Limited Expedition EL. It has stationary running boards but, it does have rear captain chairs and 2 Tone Black with brown insert leather seats. Side mirrors power. AC /heated seats
I bought the 2012 Lincoln Navigator "L", which is virtually identical to the Expedition in drive train and interior layout, but has a number of standard upgrades over the Expedition. Note that the power tailgate switch mounted on the door frame of the Suburban cannot be accessed from the inside when the door is closed. Ford/Lincoln chose to place the switch on the interior side panel so it can be easily accessed to open or close from the interior. Very handy when camping and sleeping in the vehicle and it cannot be activated by children when the vehicle is in motion. With a full 54 inch wide flat deck with seats folded, it fits a double size air mattress perfectly.
I had an 08 Escalade (that generation) up until this week when a truck ran me off the road. Looks like it's totalled. Here are my thoughts on GM:
Like he says, the dash was cracked in mine also. The button decals wear off. Carpets wear poorly. The transmission was beginning to have issues. The previous owner had to replace the engine. The rear lift gate would not go up/down automatically anymore (grinding noise). Camshaft position sensor was broken (unhooking it worked - behind accessory pulley. Lost some efficiency). Power running boards were broken (relay taken out to keep them up).
Just telling you, from my experience the quality on GM products is sub par. I'm shopping for a Ford Expedition EL as we speak. I hated it all falling apart around me.
This guy is right - Ford is better. My 2001 expedition fit/finish interior quality was better than the 2008 Escalade. I'd still have it if it weren't for those damn spark plugs blowing out.
Every car has it's issues though.
I have a 2008 expedition EL. Its been great up until recently. It has 190,000 miles and starting to show its age. With that said with routine maintenance and staying on top of minor repairs you can easily get 250k out of a 5.4. I had a 01 f150 with 254k miles before I sold it. Big fan of the 5.4.
@@YogiSizzle2 I have a 2009 limited el with 607k and it's still running and shifting good. Routine maintenance has been done. I love the truck.
@@87antjones kM or miles? 😳
@@Pr.2104 she's now at 612k miles
@@87antjones I just got a 2010 Limited expedition 2 days ago and she has 131k miles I’m hoping to reach up that high like yours now 😂
I've expedition and I love it
I have a 2010 expedition I had for 4 years and love it . Had no problems but starter and still running strong
Ford by 2009 that 5.4 was fantastic
Expedition is way way way nicer inside and last for ever .. sold my 2007 215 miles original engine and trans .. only issue was the torque converter but I drove it with a bad torque converter for 40000 miles.. never let me ... some problems with coils but once you replace them truck will run for ever
If you have any idea mine has kinda loud sound when starting and when on 1st gear its like really heavy and doesn't go as near smooth or fast eventho i have literally nothing or non one inside
How did you know your torque converter was going bad? Mine is making a thunk noise and hesitates when it downshifts out of overdrive to go up hills and I suspect the torque converter.
Thanks for the upload 😊, and nice cars. I'm purchasing a 2010 Suburban LT these days myself. Don't know if anyone did comment the rear seats, but you can drop both the second and the third row on the Sub, only different is you don't get the flat floor on the Suburban.
I am a Ford person, I have done had 2 expeditions and I am getting my 3rd one with in the next week or 2. That expedition has 8 seats. The ford expedition limited is the ones that hold 7 because they have the captain seats in the middle.
Okay! I am a GM lover, I love everything GM. However in 2005 I bought a 2001 Expedition Eddie Bauer with 45,000 miles on it. It's 2022 now, that Expedition now has 236,000 miles on it. The only things that I have changed on it are a fuel pump, I was out of the country for 2.5 years my friend should have been starting and driving it for me but wasn't. I have recently changed the radiator, and I am on my 2nd alternator that I have changed. Two days ago I bought a 2015 King Ranch Expedition 150, 000 on it. I still love GM products, but I am sold on Expeditions.
08 expedition short one 315k Miles doing 🙂
I have a 2015 Expedition XLT I bought back in January of this year..so far only issue is it needs a new vent control valve and that’s it..other than that it has absolutely no issues…I’m definitely trying to upgrade the wheels shocks struts and brakes at some point
Ford finally made the 5.4 into a great engine, then came the ecoboost sadly
what's wrong with the Ecoboost? my 2015 expedition eco has 302k miles on it. I haven't had one single problem with it other than the starter which was an easy diy fix.
I have a 2009 expedition its now a 12 years old and i have no problem with it since I bought it
suburban anyday
I have a Tahoe XL, love it
Well, two years ago, I got one one lincoln navigator 2009 limited edition from one private seller. Very similar to your ford expedition but shorter storage. Very nice car. I got when it's only less than 50k miles, I got it for only $15.7k. I am in fact like chevy more, but the 3rd row seat is the deal breaker. The ford design absolutely better on 3rd row, leg room higher than chevy. Which makes passenager on 3rd row more comfortable in hours long trip. Anyway, 2021 model new chevy design changed it. If I consider new Tahoe or expedition, I may lead on Tahoe more.
I like the 2015-2020 suburban better and I love that expedition in this video.
I own a 2011 Ford Expedition XLT premium 4x4 with 230,546 miles. Vehicle is a tank. As long as you take car of them they'll last a long time. I only use synthetic oil every 5-7k miles. So far everything mechanical is original. My main gripe is the aluminum hood and tailgate are known for corrosion and mine is no exception. Paid $1400 to get it repaired. So far 4 years later it's good. Great room and still has the same power and smoothness as the day it was new. Hate the hard plastics and cost cutting head scratches like only 1 auto up down window, rear windows don't go all the way down, only tilt wheel not telescoping as well, these vehicles where almost $50k new in 2011!! Thats unacceptable for a vehicle at that price when the Japanese makers usually had those items standard.
I have a 2007 Ford 5.4 Expedition Eddie Bauer Edition with almost 236.000 Miles on it still running good
Good to know what I should expect from my own 2007 (which I love).
@@dukeofearl8078 Welcome yeah I am hoping it will last at least till a little over 300.000 thousand miles before and major repairs
Expedition has backup sensors, they're just not exposed as the GM & 2nd gen Expedition are
nice to see a ford guy
They are many aftermarket transmission companies that offer new expedition or suburban transmission built extremely heavy duty to last for many years.
I like the gear shifter on the center console on the expedition instead of the steering column on the chevy. I have an 09 and havent had major problems with it. The worst so far was the fan clutch going out but if you can DIY its not a big deal. IMO Ford trucks are more comfortable than chevy trucks. My next one will be either another expedition or maybe an F-250 super duty with a powerstroke engine.
Ford all the way !!!
All day
Ford Expedition
1:44 if you look closely there’s cat prints on the hood
Suburban is 1 inch longer but has actually less space inside especially in the 3rd row. For me it's a deal breaker especially considering it as a family vehicle
Expedition is Best for me.
I own two of them.. 2008 EB and 2013 EL exped.. no issue what so ever on trainy ... the only known issue is when timing goes bad. Camphaser replacement and cam follower jump off its rail. Common prob for 5.4 3valve other than that love them....
Did anybody notice whoever owned the suburban that they took the side moldings off ?
Nice comparison, I'm liking the Expedition 👍 New subscriber here 👋
You can actually fit 8 in the expedition
All day long.. Family of 6
I hope I get a 07 expedition Edie edition very nice truck for my family of 6 hehe
I got a 03 Ford Expedition it’s a great truck
@@marvinards7609 same i have 245,000 miles and the motor is still strong
9 buddy
Very good review Sir.
Thank you
I want to buy one in 2007 about $7000
How many miles?
Can’t go wrong with either one
They took off the electric tailgate puller!
5.4L in the expedition has a lot of issues. Id take the Suburban, theyre great if you do the displacement on demand delete
Ex mother inlaw had 2012 2500 HD tahoe full size but it was a 3rd row in the middle really nice truck lots of power on the highway but she sold it when it hit 175000kms old bate got 20gs lol
Its amazing the big difference in interior quality, the GM is just junk compared to the Ford. GMs have the craking dashes and the fading buttons.
Id take for expedition, over that suburban.
Ford Expedition!!!
you can fold the chevy 3rd row seats and put them up it gives u extra storage
Fords Better hands down
I went from a 2009 suburban to a 2011 Expedition EL recently. Could not be happier. Amazed at how well the Ford held up compared to the Suburban. The Suburban was basically falling apart. Reliable engine, but junk interior.
Ford is more durable 🤜
Jacob Friessen not its not the 5.4 can’t even come close to the 5.3. Look it up
@@Polypeckerhead the Ford Expedition and navigator has always outlasted the GM twins
@@bryanmesser7098 factz
I like both, but decided to buy the 2011 suburban lt ... big mistake. It has 270k miles and hasn't failed, but Expedition has better options and is more refined.
Which has spacier third seat space.
Which is the more comfortable ride for the 3rd row seat passenger?
The Expedition has a real 3rd row and can hold 3 5-10 teenagers. The Suburban 3rd row has no real footwell and very little leg room. You can see it in the video when he shows the Suburban interior.
Expeditions are nicer and have engines that are more reliable and that's coming from a Chevy guy. Flex fuel is all fun and games until half your engine doesn't want to start back up. That 5.4 Triton V8 is detune and will last for at least 300,000 MI
I just got an expedition. Its an 07 with 138k miles on it. I paid 4300.
Expedition has less cargo volume. 130 ft vs 137 in the Suburban. The Expedition seats fold into the floor which is nice. I've owned an Expedition and the flat floor is super helpful. The engine of the Expedition is not great. They use the extra long spark plugs that break off in the engine. My rear hubs wore out and I had lots of gasket and vacuum issues. The BIGGEST knock on the Expedition is the panel contamination. Body panels from 2002 - 2018 were contaminated during manufacture and will oxidize from the inside out, your paint falls off. There is no fix for this and Ford has issued a number of Technical Service Bulletins on this issue. Common spots are the front fenders and rear hatch. I'm now looking at getting a Suburban/Yukon XL to replace my Expy but I love the fold into the floor seats!
Don't get the 5.3 with cylinder de-activation, it'll give you just as much headache as the 5.4. The ecoboost expedition can be an option, or toyota sienna, town and country, pacifica, odyssey vans if you don't need to tow.
They changed the head design of the 5.4 in 2008. Different spark plugs and everything. I have a 2010 and changed my spark plugs at 100K miles in about 30 minutes. I do try to take care of mine. I have completed the differential, transmission, and transfer case service at 80K miles. Changed the radiator coolant at 100K. I do all the work myself, dealer wanted 400 to do a pan drop on the transmission. CRAZY!!!! It's at 116K miles now, still rolling down the road. I tow a little with it, usually under 4K lbs, and don't have any issues at all with that low of weight. Pulling my side by side, Viking Vi on a 14" trailer, I can barley tell it's back there, except for the fuel consumption.
@@CsalbertCs does the EcoBoost have better mpg?
The spark plug issue on the 5.4 Triton engine was resolved by a new one piece spark plug design in 2008. Not an issue for the 2009 and newer.
Can you do a review of that red Ford Edge
Actually you can fit 8 people in the expedition we have a 2010 Limited
I’ll take the Suburban
Dad gave me a 2010 expedition el super clean thanks dad
I have the same issue with the hood on my expedition 😂 I also love the paw prints on the hood
It's not metal though, right? It was a primer issue? All the places that have paint issues? My husband put a cf hood on our expi and never looked back🤷♀️. It's his baby, so I can't speak to the price he paid to do it lol
haha..... i noticed them too!!
We're just out here raw dog in it
Pretty sure the seats fold in the Suburban like the ford does. I own an 05 Suburban Z71 4x4 and an 07 Yukon 4x4 SLE. I also own the besy Ford ever made. The crown vic.
Great video idea
Mr Chad can you ship the ford to North Korea
I have an 08 expedition eddie bauer and would chose that over the suburban anytime.
173k miles and nothing in worn on any on the interior controls ir buttons, much better quality interior.
I think the trans issues with the expedition stem from that "sealed for life transmission" ninsense.
It does have a dip stick located under a cap on the left side of the trans - right next to the super hot cat! Who checks that. Low fluid causes shift studder.
Just do a fluid/filter change every 50k miles and it would be fine.
Fluid seeps out over 14 years believe it or not, dumbness not to use a dipstick people can check.
No one answered the question about Ford transmissions... I've always had Chevy' s and I just bought my first Expedition 4wd limited, 2013. Anyone have input on their transmissions?
The one in their trucks from that era is basically just a retooled ZF 6speed,
i forget the exact designation. It’s a strong trans though
One rebuild over here. The trans is still great
I have a 09 el Eddie bauer, that has 263,877 miles on it, I've owned it since 2014 and I've never had a transmission problem or any major problems out of engine.
@@imperialharris9584 Ummmmmm 09 Eddie Bauer huh,I might have to look at that one,thanks my man...
Imperial Harris I’d love to get one and make it to that many miles.
Theres a reason the president's motorcade is filled with Suburbans and Tahoes for as long as i can remember.
My ford expedition starts the problem now because too miles 323000 something
Expedition 100% no doubt
Two things. up in the front you can turn off the power liftgate which is probably what happened in your Suburban in the video. The driver of the Suburban was probably a woman which is why the paint was all chipped off of the buttons. I drive a Suburban pretty much the same one you showed in the video. But when it comes down to it I would like a Ford. Not having anything against my suburban.
Had a 12 expedition and now i have a 13 tahoe. Would never go back to the ford. It was junk
Do one with a Mercedes and bmw please and btw I like your vid
Mercedes and BMW the maintenance on those vehicles are through the roof,trust me,I know...
My 2015 Expedition is a POS. Regular maintenance done. Left me stranded on the interstate 4 times. First time at 45k miles. 3 more times and only have just over 100k miles on it. Thankfully bought the extended warranty. Once it hits 125k miles, it's gone and never buying a Ford again.
My vote expedition
prior to 05 the 5.4L in the expedition was a reliable engine, that's just my opinion, I have a 04 expedition EB 237K, everything still works including the engine, in 05 they upgraded the 5.4L in the expedition which made it less reliable
Yup. I found an 05 king ranch w a bad engine (amazing price though-1700!!) so I paid cash and dropped a new engine in it and never looked back. Was totally worth it. No one ever believes me until I show them the bill of sale(which of course I keep in the glovebox lol) Super proud of that deal AND the truck to this day!
Also the 05 was a transition year, they can be a mixed bag imo
The ford can carry 8 people not 7
Good to know Marcus. If theres a bench seat in the 2nd row thats the extra person to make it 8.
Right, the 3rd row is for 3 people.
Very cool
13000 - 4000 down payment = 9000 . 450 per month for 36 months = 16200 . Thats 90% interest rate ... L M A O . I wouldnt suggest visiting that dealer and that sales person is bad publicity with his math skills L O L
Ford expeditions have a better setup, and quality, chevy tahoes/suburban are ok...i guess their engines were the highlight, the rest was cheap plastic.
Expedition seats 8, not 7
Chevy looks inside like old Impala
Lost me at 5.4 triton is a good motor....
Use the power mirrors on the ford!
I cringed when he did that lol
That hard plastic dash cover is garbage. Get a soft dash cover
Like the Ford better of the two.
By '09 the 5.4 hopefully had some better spark plugs after the disaster of the earlier models with the Tritons. I'm wondering if the Sub had the cylinder deactivation that Chevy put in their v8's.....def not a fan of those as their components wear out way faster than the pre '07 ones. Ford's interior is better in my opinion, they've had power 3rd row long before any other brand. Both have a massive amt of space, I've got an '03 Expi, would love an EL but both are very solid vehicles. Edge to the expi just cuz I have one currently ;)
The expedition is much better than the Chevy. For that year, Lincoln and ford only had the seat that folded in the floor because of the independent rear suspension. Make for a better ride to. I have a 2012 navigator l with 184000 miles. I’ll drive it till the wheels fall off.
I will say the ford was tempting BUT FOUND ON ROAD DEAD is all I'm gonna say. I had a suburban and let me tell you that suburban NEVER failed me! But U had to tow my friend with the Ford twice
What Surburban model?
I say same thing about suburban trash
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