Exactly what I logged on to say. I think the same thing would apply to the db readings. The score by itself gives us data, but no context. Put up the scores of other trucks and it gives analysis and perspective.
@@kriswillis2280 Not invented here syndrome? None of these vehicles exist in a vacuum. I wanted to compare it to the Expedition...I had to go find the video. What's wrong with making things easier for viewers? Just because someone else came up with it first doesn't mean it's not a good idea.
@@DeltaSierra426 your local dealership has a website. Use it. Plus if you are paying sticker you should let COSCO or another car buying service do your negotiating.
@@davidporter7051 I say that in relative terms, not with haggling and incentives. I'd never pay full MSRP on a vehicle. I ended up about $10K below sticker on my '18 Ram 1500 after incentives, discounts, and negotiations. Consider though that brand new vehicles that come out won't have as much wiggle room while demand is high and supply is low.
I think they make way too big of a deal out of what side the brake controller is on. Once you get the controller dialed in you don't normally have to touch it the rest of your trip. Other things that you need to touch more often should be on the right side.
It works great on our suburban when you use cruise control... It doesn't know what speed you're trying to achieve if you don't tell it. Why would it control your speed without knowing? It's so funny how they overlook this every time they test the trucks.
The Chevrolet Tahoe and Suburban, the GMC Yukon and Yukon XL, and the Cadillac Escalade account for 50% of all large SUV sales in the US. GM makes 340,000 of them every year and exports about 80,000 to 31 countries. They’re made in GM’s plant in Arlington, Texas, which is said to be the most profitable assembly plant in the world. We estimate they generate $20 billion in revenue for GM and about $4 billion in profits. Autoline Daily
I did a very quick drive of a 5.3 RST Suburban and I am very impressed with the ride and handling. It is very smooth and not punishing in any way. Its a very different feel and experience from my 19' Canyon, especially since that has a comparatively soft ride for a truck.
I really like the new Suburban, the interior space is amazing and we could use it. We are a family of 8 and suburban is exact what we drive. We have a 2013 2500 Suburban. However the tow numbers in the new Suburban are too low, you can’t tow most family campers like ours at GVR 8800lbs. Great video, thanks TFL
Rob Bird The interior space of the new Tahoe and Suburban is vastly improved compared to the previous generation in regards to fit, finish, quality and design, not to mention it’s light years better than their crosstown rival, the Ford Expedition/Expedition Max whose interiors aren’t nearly as indicative for their price point in higher trims. Hopefully, the new Silverado will gain some of the SUV’s interior styling cues for the upcoming 2022 MY refresh.
@@andrewt4427 also I forgot to mention that a company in Florida called duraburb dedicate putting suburban diesel engines and they have put a lt5 diesel into one. Search them up.
@@frostytaco8598 yeah Ive seen them. For the price Id rather get it from a manufacturer and have the warranty. In trucking warranty is funny with gliders, I imagine the same in automotive side
The thing that got the most significant and verbal reaction from me was how they had all the different capacities (gvwr, gcwr, curb, etc.) listed on the door sticker. Always wished they would just list it all out like that and presumably this will be trim specific numbers to some extent.
The black dead space on the end of the mirror housing is likely for better sight acquisition of the mirror, and to help with contrasting where the mirror ends; so there is no, mirror edge, road or light blending. Mostly during a fast merging or changing lanes scenario in high traffic. At least that's what I hope. Lol other wise, wtf!
Actually no that’s obvious that’s what the mats there for. These guys gotta remember Chevy had to meet safety standards and mirrors reflecting light back into the drivers eye. And millions who have astigmatism can’t see good especially for they don’t have glasses or contacts that correct the light haze produced.
The push button transmission is going to take some time for me to get used to, but I also like the interior's inspiration taken from the new C8 Corvette, right down to the user interface screen and the design of the instrument panel.
That is awesome! I was very excited to see you guys do this review. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give us an Ike Gauntlet review of the new Yukon Diesel coming in November!
I have argued this for along time. I have had my CDL for years but prefer the electric on the left. I have legitimate reason, I pull many different trailers and it's more comfortable on the left to brake check when you first hook up. That is the only time I use it other than sliding a fifth wheel hitch when I had a short bed. The hand brake on most (air brake) truck/trailer systems isn't on the dash at all but on the steering column. The buttons on the right are just the release for charging the system. I think more than the left vs right I want it higher so it's easier to keep your head up while watching mirrors
Fact: 90 percent of people buying these SUVs are not going to tow anything or go of road. They are just gonna drive around sucking down gas like crazy.
Plenty of Suburban owners use their SUV for their intended utility purposes. In fact, over 50% of full-size SUV owners value them for towing and hauling along with regularly carrying their passengers and all of their gear.
Went on a camping adventure in southwestern Colorado and come back on interstate 70. I think I’ve watched every tow test you guys have done on the Ike. Completely prepared for for the challenge proper trailer and suv setup with weight distribution hitch. Something this midwestern boy was not aware of is just how rough the road surface was. I’d take 100 miles of gravel backroads in Iowa before I’d choose to drive on I70.
I wish I had a video of my circa 1997 run up this hill in my 116 hp 1987 4runner, loaded with 4 passengers, 8 mountain bikes and gear for a weekend camping trip. At one point thought we were moving backwards. In reality, pedal to the metal, was able to eke out 40 mph.
I think you guys should pull actual travel trailers that have some height and length to them and that way people would get a better idea of not only how well to tows weight but how it handles sway. That would be more real world. More people tow rv camper trailers than a heavy horse trailer. Most all these new trucks are gonna pull these weights yall test but it's far more telling in how each truck will handle different size rigs. Jmho
ben jackson here’s where I’ll disagree and why: those are weight distribution hitches. They are a must especially when towing a lot of weight. Otherwise you’ll get major sag on the rear due to the heavy tongue. It’s rare that I come across someone towing a travel trailer without one. So no, they are doing it right. It’s what I use with my 2019 Expedition and camper trailer.
@Jack Benton I know! Why did everybody have to complain about the column shifter??? That is definitely the best way to go. Out of the way, but extremely easy to use.
They ditched the shift cable like everyone else. Shift by wire is the new norm. Sucks when the battery is toast and you need to push the vehicle. Hope they put in a release cable like Chrysler.
The only problem with those high-tech shocks is that GM will discontinue the parts in 10 years and then you won't be able to fix it and you have to go back to traditional
I wanted the new Chevy twins before they hit show room floors but this the first time as a father of two I’m considering the suburban over the Tahoe. It looks just as good if not better thanks to that length and the UTILITY THOUGH. Such a mans vehicle
Yup, not neccesarily a ford guy but paid for are the best ones. Even if ylu have to drop a few grand to fix somethinf still way cheaper than committing to 5 to 7 years of 700 plus monthly payments. I like ford pre 1997
We have a sequoia and love it, but that excursion is definitely the king of suvs when it comes to towing and hauling, and it doesn't do too bad on fuel with the powerstroke.
@Jack Benton It's a 3/4 ton and you mean those half ton that are the size of old 3/4 and 1 tons? Yeah imagine that a vehicle 20 years newer and much bigger is better at doing stuff, crazy right.
@@WhoThisGuy515 Those new models can't do the job that the 3/4 ton Suburban and Excursion could do. Along with the $80,000 price of the Suburban 3500 designed for Armored vehicle companies that is the reason why fire departments are using HD pickups with camper tops for supervisor vehicle's.
Disagree with you guys about the break controller. It belongs on the left as most of us are right handed and we should use our dominant hand for fine steering inputs while our left hand can be used for gross motor skills of squeezing. Now I will say it is WAY to low at knee level. The last gen GM twins had it correct, high on the left.
Welcome to Colorado where we apparently don't know what road maintenance is. It's also a little tough with all the snow and ice that gets under the roads and cracks them to pieces. But it would be better if there was any time spent repairing small problems before it became a huge problem.
I get tired of hearing about the trailer brake controller placement. The left is better for two reasons. When you drive with one hand, the left one is usually free. There is usually less stuff to get in the way when it's on the left.
When I drive one handed it's usually with my left hand. I guess everyone is different and auto manufacturers can't make everyone happy. Sometimes they do what I want, and sometimes they don't. lol.
exactly!!!! most people are right handed..Meaning they usually have their right hand on the wheel, leaving their left hand not in use!... so really it's not in the wrong spot if you think about it... as you said, left is over all better!
Corbin Swisher yep the Suburban 2500 had the option of a 454 or 6.5 V8 diesel. From 1999-2005 the Suburban 2500 came with the Vortec 6.0 or 8.1. After about 2006 it only came with the 6.0 until about 2014 when the 2500 was dropped.
The 2016-2019 Suburban HD was 3500 with the upgraded axle and brakes. The lack of 2015 Suburban HD coincided with the model redesign. I wouldn't be surprised if they come back with the Suburban HD a couple years after this redesign too.
Did an auto transport with my suburban yesterday. Despite wdriving these trucks for years, I never towed a damn thing until now. I was surprised at the engine braking in auto tow mode and generally how the transmission temps didn’t even budge while towing. Was hauling a Toyota Camry (not a ton of weight) but for my first time towing the tow mode made it pleasant.
1999-2006 Suburban is also rated to tow up to 7,900lbs. I paid only $2,300 for my 05 Suburban Z71 4x4. $2,500 for my 07 Yukon SLT 4x4. Can replace both engines with new ones for under 5k combined. That's the win. Burb has 355k, Yukon has 230k
Nice video. Good timing for Mr Truck to give his score of 22 right when the shot of the tabs on the license plate sticker of 22, you knew that all along I bet.
I was the opposite with the last gen Tahoe/Suburban just because the Ford had more features and independent suspension. But now the Chevy has those so the Ford is in 2nd place. As far as trucks go its Chevy all the way, screw that ecoboom crap. Its fine for an SUV that won't be used for towing that often but not for a truck.
I dont know why you would want the brake controller on the right? If your right handed, your right hand should be on the wheel and left can squeeze. Idk I like it on the left
So you would want to look down, taking eyes off the road just for the convenience of small motor controls in your hand? Sorry, but if im squeezing it doesn't have to be precise just enough to control the sway of the truck. Plus the brakes work with the brake pedal, if your swaying you might be in over your head already.
Well done GM. This is the first time that I would still commend them for retaining a big old pushrod V8. Although the Coyote F150 10 speed did the same time and mileage but I'm sure that truck was lighter.
Somebody was picking their nose and touching the towing brake controller at 10:26. Andre tried to discretely wipe it off. The best way to do this is to rub your picking fingers together with your thumb out the window while driving in the wind before you touch anything or dig back in for more. It must have been an emergency break situation to stop sway.
That's the real reason they don't like where that brake controller is. It's clearly interacting with their nose picking fingers in a negative way and need to move it to the other side because they don't use their right fingers for picking apparently.
I'd probably dock a point or 2 for having button shifters. It should be on the column. The cargo area looked great,To me it seemed a good looking video. I like that they kept the square functional design and didn't mess up the cargo area. The shifter would probably be my main compliant.
Great video! I'd like to see a video pulling a travel trailer. In the real world suburban are for family which go camping. See if you can do a video with a travel trailer with a suburban.
Yeah I’m not sure why GM didn’t give there new trucks more towing capabilities. Usually when a vehicle is resigned all those stats go up to be more competitive
Not by a long shot. There is no way a mid size pickup could handle a large trailer as well as a Suburban. You might get away with max towing with a flat deck and keeping tongue weight just right but the same weight of trailer as big box RV behind a little Colorado and you will be tossed all over the road. Towing weight never tells the whole story.
I Love the Chevy Suburban as my mother has a 2008 Chevy suburban and i love what it has i rate all suburbans a 10/10 exterior and interior it is a great family car but as it starts around 80k+ wich is kinda of expensive compared to the Escalade but chevy cars also are heavy duty and very hard working! And they are really cool to research and always come with new things unlike apple and takes REALLY REALLY Little steps (don't ask why i research these cars i like cars and mostly suburbans)
With trucks being so popular (I've got mine) you should evaluate how it (if it does) fit in a typical home garage. You could give it points for fitting in a garage and being able to close the garage door. And you could take points away if it doesn't fit!
@@DeltaSierra426 nah, the dial is too close to the radio and i dont want to throw my transmission into park while driving down the highway and a terrible song comes on.
Hey guys, I watched your suburban Ike test and saw something that may or may not change your test results? When you did the interview sound test, you had the Panama sun shade wide open. For grins and giggles do the test with the shade closed to see if there is a difference and if so, do all of your vehicle testing with the shade in the same position. Thanks, Ron
Who cares what side the brake controller is on. I've had it on the left side with my 2015 Silverado and the right side on my 2019 Silverado. Have some cheese with that whine!
"its not telling me what gear i am in" Knowing that is kinda one those "aww cool" for about 1 week then after that no one even pays attention to it anymore or even cares.
It matters when you tow. Especially when the transmission has three or four overdrive gears and you're in a situation exactly like this test. Do you want to manually turn off the overdrive or is the computer handling it fine?
@@codeman99-dev If the computer isn't handling it fine, all you have to do is manually tell it to downshift. If the RPMs are still too low, tell it to downshift again. What number of gear you are downshifting into doesn't matter at all. The only thing that matters is if the transmission is keeping the engine in the RPM range you want it to be in.
I dont need to know the gear if it has a tach. Of course now days with 9 and 10 speed transmissions its kinda nice but unnecessary to have an indicator.
Its a beatifull car, i have allways loved the Suburban. And its even better now, when they learned from, Fiat chrysler, Air suspention, and a nice interior, almost as nice as my Bighorn.
@10:28 if you are right handed then being on left would be better since if you have to emergency brake then your dominate strong hand is still on the wheel. No real wrong place for it as long as its easy to get to. "take 1 point off for brake controler" ....... that is personal preference just cause you don't like it there shouldn't be reason to take off.
New suburban shave come a long way, and the seats are comfy and supportive, but wait till you take a road trip in those stuff sporty seats. Then you wanna jump back a couple generations into the 2003-2006 GMT800s, those were like couches.
It’s so weird because when they first started doing these reviews I remember they had a truck where the break controller was on the right side and they complained that they didn’t like it on that side.
So many great vehicles in the market that are chock-full of features. They're awesome, as long as everything is working. THAT is what the problem seems to be these days. So many breakdowns and recalls across all the brands. The manufacturers keep piling on so many frills and gee whiz features that are prone to fail.
running it as an Auto transmission, why do you guys get so disappointed not knowing what gear its in?? I don't understand the importance when the equipment is doing the work. If you wanna know what gear use manual shifting!
It’s a trailer brake controller! Set it correctly when you pull off with the trailer or drop off/pickup a load. and you shouldn’t need to change anything. Probly why they had to hit the brakes so many extra times
Brake controller on the left makes more sense forme. Its on the side of all the vehicles specific controls leaving center for cabin controls. Its cleaner and I have a left hand ...so i can operaste it on that side no problem.
When you are driving multiple vehicles I can see where standardization of some controls would be a benefit. Once you are use to it no big deal. Remember when Ford put the horn button on the end of the signal light stalk. Absolutely hated it at first, once I got use to it best place for it. Using the 3/9 hand position on the wheel just meant tapping the stalk. Great location. Unfortunately the whiners got it changed. One think I would like to know is can you pick a gear in the automatic and hold it? Use to driving standards in trucks and going down hill would pick a gear that I know would hold the speed I want and go with it. One of the reasons I prefer standards or the dual clutch auto's where you can pick the gear.
Confidence in the system. With more and more gears it is often jarring to drivers use to more traditional gearboxes (5 or less gears with a single overdrive speed). It may be just as useful for the system to display if an overdrive gear is being used. Without that feedback it may be difficult to know if you should manually toggle your overdrive controls. When you have three or four overdrive gears it becomes much harder to identify that information.
99codemister meh I don’t buy it. The computer is smart enough to put you in the gear you need. If you do choose to manually control it, it will tell you what gear you are in.
@@kruck96 You can not buy it all you want. I catch automatic transmissions making the wrong choice fairly often. That's not even in a towing scenario either, let alone on a steep & long grade. My own truck (2019), my dad's truck (2016), and even my wife's car (2017). All different manufacturers. All have (the now standard) two overdrive gears.
99codemister so your solution to a problem that doesn’t really exist is to put it in manual mode. When you do that it shows you what gear you are in on the gauge cluster so problem solved 🤷🏻♂️. When it’s in auto mode who cares? You either have enough power or you don’t.
@@kruck96 None of the vehicles I mentioned have a "manual" mode. Not to mention that "manual" is not always respected. On the flip side, turning off overdrive *always* works because the computer knows you can't force the engine to red-line.
TFL! Add a chart of all the scores and where the certain vehicle being tested is placed compared to others! Similar to the Doug score that way we can see where each car ranks! Just a thought
I love the color of the interior, those leather seats looks comfy and the color combination seems soothing.
Need a chart with all the Ike scores at the end of the video.
Exactly what I logged on to say. I think the same thing would apply to the db readings. The score by itself gives us data, but no context. Put up the scores of other trucks and it gives analysis and perspective.
do you expect this to be a doug video? if so then go watch him climb into back seats for entertainment...
OMG that was bad. Go and end the channel
@@kriswillis2280 Not invented here syndrome? None of these vehicles exist in a vacuum. I wanted to compare it to the Expedition...I had to go find the video. What's wrong with making things easier for viewers? Just because someone else came up with it first doesn't mean it's not a good idea.
Kris Willis dam man why so aggressive?
These have gotten so good we are down to nitpicking the brake controller location as the biggest negative point based on personal preference.
They should be pretty good at $85K... my question is how good is it as configured at $60K?
@@DeltaSierra426 your local dealership has a website. Use it. Plus if you are paying sticker you should let COSCO or another car buying service do your negotiating.
@@davidporter7051 I say that in relative terms, not with haggling and incentives. I'd never pay full MSRP on a vehicle. I ended up about $10K below sticker on my '18 Ram 1500 after incentives, discounts, and negotiations.
Consider though that brand new vehicles that come out won't have as much wiggle room while demand is high and supply is low.
I think they make way too big of a deal out of what side the brake controller is on. Once you get the controller dialed in you don't normally have to touch it the rest of your trip. Other things that you need to touch more often should be on the right side.
It works great on our suburban when you use cruise control... It doesn't know what speed you're trying to achieve if you don't tell it. Why would it control your speed without knowing? It's so funny how they overlook this every time they test the trucks.
Anyone notice Mr Truck actually looking great?
Looks like he lost weight, super noticeable!
Good on him!
I think he gave his extra weight to Andre😆
Noticed that as well. Awesome job
I feel embarrassed for the Silverado design team given how well executed the suburban is.
Quite hating just cuz you can't afford one
he’s not wrong though they’re similar but the tahoes and suburbans look way better
SW Kansas Farming that’s what you got from my post? What part did I discuss my finances or the price of the vehicle? Projecting much....
Of course they made the Suburban and Tahoe look better; it's their second take.
@@swkansasfarming1599 I can afford one and I agree.
i built the machines that build the fascias for these new GM models, i knew about them over a year ago, glad to see them out now,
Very exciting to see the new Suburban tow for the first time. Keep up the good work, TFL!
I've had Tahoes and Suburbans all my life. Best SUV's on the market no doubt!
With all the lifter failers 😂. Nissan Aramda all day long lol lol
@@stevenpeterson7234I got a stock 2017 suburban @ 170k miles with zero engine problems…
The Chevrolet Tahoe and Suburban, the GMC Yukon and Yukon XL, and the Cadillac Escalade account for 50% of all large SUV sales in the US. GM makes 340,000 of them every year and exports about 80,000 to 31 countries. They’re made in GM’s plant in Arlington, Texas, which is said to be the most profitable assembly plant in the world. We estimate they generate $20 billion in revenue for GM and about $4 billion in profits. Autoline Daily
I just bought this exact truck in black for a family and camper hauler. I absolutely love this truck and I’m so pleased with it!!!
I did a very quick drive of a 5.3 RST Suburban and I am very impressed with the ride and handling. It is very smooth and not punishing in any way. Its a very different feel and experience from my 19' Canyon, especially since that has a comparatively soft ride for a truck.
I really like the new Suburban, the interior space is amazing and we could use it. We are a family of 8 and suburban is exact what we drive. We have a 2013 2500 Suburban. However the tow numbers in the new Suburban are too low, you can’t tow most family campers like ours at GVR 8800lbs. Great video, thanks TFL
Negative... has a left handed person I greatly appreciate the brake controller being on the left side again! Keep this!!
I am right handed and I never had a problem with it being on the left side. It was up high and easy to see.
Thats because the boys are being way to fussy....
Hope the Silverado team is taking notes. Especially on the interior. Not bad when it’s down to nitpicking. Bravo
Kiss ass 🙄 it still looks cheap and clumsy. This is an $80K truck, pure fail, it’s not remotely competitive.
Rob Bird The interior space of the new Tahoe and Suburban is vastly improved compared to the previous generation in regards to fit, finish, quality and design, not to mention it’s light years better than their crosstown rival, the Ford Expedition/Expedition Max whose interiors aren’t nearly as indicative for their price point in higher trims. Hopefully, the new Silverado will gain some of the SUV’s interior styling cues for the upcoming 2022 MY refresh.
I don't know if you saw but they ARE going to carry this new interior design to all the pickup trucks as well.
Please you don't have a clue
The vett is a horrible car. We have to agree it's crap
Looks great, now if only you could get a 2500 or 3500 model with a V8 Duramax in it, be the ultimate Suburban.
It would be amazing the suburban is going to have a 3.0L Duramax inline 6 in it instead
@@frostytaco8598 yeah I know, but that works on the half ton frame. Id like to see a Suburban 2500 again with the big duramax.
@@andrewt4427 same
@@andrewt4427 also I forgot to mention that a company in Florida called duraburb dedicate putting suburban diesel engines and they have put a lt5 diesel into one. Search them up.
@@frostytaco8598 yeah Ive seen them. For the price Id rather get it from a manufacturer and have the warranty. In trucking warranty is funny with gliders, I imagine the same in automotive side
The thing that got the most significant and verbal reaction from me was how they had all the different capacities (gvwr, gcwr, curb, etc.) listed on the door sticker. Always wished they would just list it all out like that and presumably this will be trim specific numbers to some extent.
The black dead space on the end of the mirror housing is likely for better sight acquisition of the mirror, and to help with contrasting where the mirror ends; so there is no, mirror edge, road or light blending. Mostly during a fast merging or changing lanes scenario in high traffic. At least that's what I hope. Lol other wise, wtf!
Actually no that’s obvious that’s what the mats there for. These guys gotta remember Chevy had to meet safety standards and mirrors reflecting light back into the drivers eye. And millions who have astigmatism can’t see good especially for they don’t have glasses or contacts that correct the light haze produced.
Beautiful truck, awesome in every way except the stupid push button transmission and the price tag of a house.
Welcome to the future... Goodbye shifter hahahaha
The push button transmission is going to take some time for me to get used to, but I also like the interior's inspiration taken from the new C8 Corvette, right down to the user interface screen and the design of the instrument panel.
The push button trend needs to go. Stick, lever, even a rotary you can use nearly instantly by feel. Push button shifter, not a chance.
@@KT_One then man you need to probably live in the past cause those days are leaving
@@ttamcc.4674 some of us just want to drive our manuals. I wont get a push button transmission until its not an option anymore
That is awesome! I was very excited to see you guys do this review. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give us an Ike Gauntlet review of the new Yukon Diesel coming in November!
I have argued this for along time. I have had my CDL for years but prefer the electric on the left. I have legitimate reason, I pull many different trailers and it's more comfortable on the left to brake check when you first hook up. That is the only time I use it other than sliding a fifth wheel hitch when I had a short bed. The hand brake on most (air brake) truck/trailer systems isn't on the dash at all but on the steering column. The buttons on the right are just the release for charging the system. I think more than the left vs right I want it higher so it's easier to keep your head up while watching mirrors
Fact: 90 percent of people buying these SUVs are not going to tow anything or go of road. They are just gonna drive around sucking down gas like crazy.
Plenty of Suburban owners use their SUV for their intended utility purposes. In fact, over 50% of full-size SUV owners value them for towing and hauling along with regularly carrying their passengers and all of their gear.
Yep. But you're the bad guy for pointing it out "cuz ur jealous you can't afford one" lol
@@jldude84 they can afford one but they can afford a health care plan
And? Their money their decision…
Went on a camping adventure in southwestern Colorado and come back on interstate 70. I think I’ve watched every tow test you guys have done on the Ike. Completely prepared for for the challenge proper trailer and suv setup with weight distribution hitch.
Something this midwestern boy was not aware of is just how rough the road surface was. I’d take 100 miles of gravel backroads in Iowa before I’d choose to drive on I70.
That state is in trouble. Mini California in the making. Same for New Jersey.
Much improved over my 2019 Suburban!
I wish I had a video of my circa 1997 run up this hill in my 116 hp 1987 4runner, loaded with 4 passengers, 8 mountain bikes and gear for a weekend camping trip. At one point thought we were moving backwards. In reality, pedal to the metal, was able to eke out 40 mph.
I drove this suburban few days ago I love it. I have wait 2 months before I can get one.
i wish i was you i LOVEEEEE suburbans
I think you guys should pull actual travel trailers that have some height and length to them and that way people would get a better idea of not only how well to tows weight but how it handles sway. That would be more real world. More people tow rv camper trailers than a heavy horse trailer. Most all these new trucks are gonna pull these weights yall test but it's far more telling in how each truck will handle different size rigs. Jmho
was thinking this exactly the same. Campers are like brick walls to wind and aero. Much different dynamic then a low heavy duty trailer.
I'd third this! Let's tow travel trailers and 5th wheels...
Agreed more people have campers than horses that would be cool
Also maybe instead of using those big fancy hitches they should just use a normal tow hitch that most people will be using.
ben jackson here’s where I’ll disagree and why: those are weight distribution hitches. They are a must especially when towing a lot of weight. Otherwise you’ll get major sag on the rear due to the heavy tongue. It’s rare that I come across someone towing a travel trailer without one. So no, they are doing it right. It’s what I use with my 2019 Expedition and camper trailer.
That push-button transmission is the strangest thing I've ever seen.
Chrysler put out the first push-button transmissions all of the way back in the 1950's! As weird as they look, they've been around awhile now..
@@Hiluxtaco True, but this one, you hook your finger in and PULL on the switch. It's not a true push button. More like a switch.
@Jack Benton I know! Why did everybody have to complain about the column shifter??? That is definitely the best way to go. Out of the way, but extremely easy to use.
They ditched the shift cable like everyone else. Shift by wire is the new norm. Sucks when the battery is toast and you need to push the vehicle. Hope they put in a release cable like Chrysler.
@@nosliwttam77 You can still do a column shifter with a wire setup. Just switches instead of linkage.
The only problem with those high-tech shocks is that GM will discontinue the parts in 10 years and then you won't be able to fix it and you have to go back to traditional
And they're quite exp expensive!
And the warranty expires soon into its lifespan
@@nosliwttam77 and will be engineer to fail outside the warranty and it will cost you $1,000 each
I wanted the new Chevy twins before they hit show room floors but this the first time as a father of two I’m considering the suburban over the Tahoe. It looks just as good if not better thanks to that length and the UTILITY THOUGH. Such a mans vehicle
I'll keep my Excursion...tows 11k, 44 gallon tank.....and it's PAID FOR
Yup, not neccesarily a ford guy but paid for are the best ones. Even if ylu have to drop a few grand to fix somethinf still way cheaper than committing to 5 to 7 years of 700 plus monthly payments.
I like ford pre 1997
We have a sequoia and love it, but that excursion is definitely the king of suvs when it comes to towing and hauling, and it doesn't do too bad on fuel with the powerstroke.
@Jack Benton It's a 3/4 ton and you mean those half ton that are the size of old 3/4 and 1 tons? Yeah imagine that a vehicle 20 years newer and much bigger is better at doing stuff, crazy right.
cody roland good point and in addition there are relatively very few bumper pull trailers over 11k lbs GVWR.
@@WhoThisGuy515 Those new models can't do the job that the 3/4 ton Suburban and Excursion could do. Along with the $80,000 price of the Suburban 3500 designed for Armored vehicle companies that is the reason why fire departments are using HD pickups with camper tops for supervisor vehicle's.
Disagree with you guys about the break controller. It belongs on the left as most of us are right handed and we should use our dominant hand for fine steering inputs while our left hand can be used for gross motor skills of squeezing. Now I will say it is WAY to low at knee level. The last gen GM twins had it correct, high on the left.
Drove thru with our 5th wheel in our Duramax L5P beautiful drive but MAN that road is ROUGH!!! Terrible, But I did the "Toughest Tow Test" LOL
Welcome to Colorado where we apparently don't know what road maintenance is. It's also a little tough with all the snow and ice that gets under the roads and cracks them to pieces. But it would be better if there was any time spent repairing small problems before it became a huge problem.
Cant wait until they test the diesel suburban!
The suburban still rocking love ur video tfltruck
What a way to start a Monday with an Ike run!
I get tired of hearing about the trailer brake controller placement. The left is better for two reasons. When you drive with one hand, the left one is usually free. There is usually less stuff to get in the way when it's on the left.
When I drive one handed it's usually with my left hand. I guess everyone is different and auto manufacturers can't make everyone happy. Sometimes they do what I want, and sometimes they don't. lol.
exactly!!!! most people are right handed..Meaning they usually have their right hand on the wheel, leaving their left hand not in use!... so really it's not in the wrong spot if you think about it... as you said, left is over all better!
Unless you are used to jammin gears with your right hand then even right handed folks used there left hand on wheel.
@@SIRLALDROID I'll give you that one. Sadly I think there is only one truck left offering a manual? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
@@ColeSpolaric ram
I still want an HD Suburban 😡
They have never done that before and they r not planning for an HD version in the future
@@corbinswisher5590 Yes they have. It was the 3/4 ton Suburban or later the Suburban 2500.
Corbin Swisher yep the Suburban 2500 had the option of a 454 or 6.5 V8 diesel. From 1999-2005 the Suburban 2500 came with the Vortec 6.0 or 8.1. After about 2006 it only came with the 6.0 until about 2014 when the 2500 was dropped.
@@corbinswisher5590 yeah i own one
The 2016-2019 Suburban HD was 3500 with the upgraded axle and brakes. The lack of 2015 Suburban HD coincided with the model redesign. I wouldn't be surprised if they come back with the Suburban HD a couple years after this redesign too.
Do an expedition and suburban comparison
They may have troubles acquiring an expedition since ford banned them. I would also love to see that as a head to head though if it is possible
Burban would destroy it
@@ZmannR2 unless it was a diesel Expedition. I prefer the Suburban, but the diesel would outperform
@@ZmannR2 Except the Expedition can tow more... so eh... :shrug:
@@mvcharisma2968 why they got banned from Ford?
Very impressed with the suburban and Tahoe.
Did an auto transport with my suburban yesterday. Despite wdriving these trucks for years, I never towed a damn thing until now. I was surprised at the engine braking in auto tow mode and generally how the transmission temps didn’t even budge while towing. Was hauling a Toyota Camry (not a ton of weight) but for my first time towing the tow mode made it pleasant.
1999-2006 Suburban is also rated to tow up to 7,900lbs. I paid only $2,300 for my 05 Suburban Z71 4x4. $2,500 for my 07 Yukon SLT 4x4. Can replace both engines with new ones for under 5k combined. That's the win. Burb has 355k, Yukon has 230k
Nice video. Good timing for Mr Truck to give his score of 22 right when the shot of the tabs on the license plate sticker of 22, you knew that all along I bet.
For trucks I’d go with ford but for suv I’d love one of these or the Tahoes. Of course I don’t have money for any of them 😂
One day brother, keep saving
I was the opposite with the last gen Tahoe/Suburban just because the Ford had more features and independent suspension. But now the Chevy has those so the Ford is in 2nd place. As far as trucks go its Chevy all the way, screw that ecoboom crap. Its fine for an SUV that won't be used for towing that often but not for a truck.
Who cares about the break controller being in the left??? It’s really not that big of a deal as you guys always make it! ???
yeah ik atleast its there lol
I dont know why you would want the brake controller on the right? If your right handed, your right hand should be on the wheel and left can squeeze. Idk I like it on the left
So you would want to look down, taking eyes off the road just for the convenience of small motor controls in your hand? Sorry, but if im squeezing it doesn't have to be precise just enough to control the sway of the truck. Plus the brakes work with the brake pedal, if your swaying you might be in over your head already.
The front end looks WAY better than either the Silverado or Sierra pickups. The interior/dash is a vast improvement too!
The front end is almost exactly the same....
I love the reviews they are my fav it helps me a lot keep up the good work Tfl
Well done GM. This is the first time that I would still commend them for retaining a big old pushrod V8. Although the Coyote F150 10 speed did the same time and mileage but I'm sure that truck was lighter.
Somebody was picking their nose and touching the towing brake controller at 10:26. Andre tried to discretely wipe it off. The best way to do this is to rub your picking fingers together with your thumb out the window while driving in the wind before you touch anything or dig back in for more. It must have been an emergency break situation to stop sway.
That's the real reason they don't like where that brake controller is. It's clearly interacting with their nose picking fingers in a negative way and need to move it to the other side because they don't use their right fingers for picking apparently.
I'd probably dock a point or 2 for having button shifters. It should be on the column. The cargo area looked great,To me it seemed a good looking video. I like that they kept the square functional design and didn't mess up the cargo area. The shifter would probably be my main compliant.
I love the look of that big truck.
I don't know why anyone would want a hole in the roof. Just a leak waiting to happen.
Why I’m welding my shut was we speak lol
Just ordered my first T-Shirt ever from a UA-cam Channel! Got the IKE GAUNTLET tee because I love those videos.
Love that Suburban
Any rumors of bringing back the 3/4 ton Suburban? The extra payload would sure be great.
Great video! I'd like to see a video pulling a travel trailer. In the real world suburban are for family which go camping. See if you can do a video with a travel trailer with a suburban.
Any TFL video without Tommy gets a thumbs up from me!
I like the Andre and Mr Truck episodes the best. It doesn't matter that it seems like they're fighting off camera.
So.... Not as good as a 2018 Expedition.
Yup, that one got an 86 for this test.
Man that interior is nice. The Silverado is underwealming, and the Sierra is not much better. But this, I like.
10:18 The large bezel makes it easier to put in heating components. In this cases, ease does mean reduced cost.
2 points off for the mirrors c’mon Mann. I will understand one point but 2, mr truck is outta control.
Only 300 LBS more towing capacity than my 2016 Colorado diesel? SAD!
Yeah I’m not sure why GM didn’t give there new trucks more towing capabilities. Usually when a vehicle is resigned all those stats go up to be more competitive
It is because of the cgvwr you cannot exceeded in a 1/2 ton rated vehicle. The more the tow vehicle weighs the less you are able to tow..
Not by a long shot. There is no way a mid size pickup could handle a large trailer as well as a Suburban. You might get away with max towing with a flat deck and keeping tongue weight just right but the same weight of trailer as big box RV behind a little Colorado and you will be tossed all over the road. Towing weight never tells the whole story.
@@geoffmooregm I was referring to the factory tow ratings, thats all!
@HalfShell All I was referring to was the factory tow ratings.
Wish i had some spare money to buy this as a family weekend vehicle, sure looks comfortable
Only 80 thousand dollars. No big deal.
If ~$60,000 is "spare money" you could maybe sell your other summer house?
That little funny compartment above Hazzard button is for sun glasses
Love the classic Ike gauntlet intro music 🎶
It throws me off every time i hear it cause thats the intro music for Off The Ranch.
I Love the Chevy Suburban as my mother has a 2008 Chevy suburban and i love what it has i rate all suburbans a 10/10 exterior and interior it is a great family car but as it starts around 80k+ wich is kinda of expensive compared to the Escalade but chevy cars also are heavy duty and very hard working! And they are really cool to research and always come with new things unlike apple and takes REALLY REALLY Little steps (don't ask why i research these cars i like cars and mostly suburbans)
With trucks being so popular (I've got mine) you should evaluate how it (if it does) fit in a typical home garage. You could give it points for fitting in a garage and being able to close the garage door. And you could take points away if it doesn't fit!
i like the push button transmission a lot more than Rams Dial transmission.
Negative! Less spaced used with the dial and more natural than "do I push D or pull it? Push or pull P? Wait, what!?"
@@DeltaSierra426 nah, the dial is too close to the radio and i dont want to throw my transmission into park while driving down the highway and a terrible song comes on.
Hey guys, I watched your suburban Ike test and saw something that may or may not change your test results? When you did the interview sound test, you had the Panama sun shade wide open. For grins and giggles do the test with the shade closed to see if there is a difference and if so, do all of your vehicle testing with the shade in the same position.
Thanks, Ron
Nice! Loyal Suburban owner, but the price is out of sight for me.
New Suburban is awesome, especially with the 6.2 L.
Who cares what side the brake controller is on. I've had it on the left side with my 2015 Silverado and the right side on my 2019 Silverado. Have some cheese with that whine!
@thefastlanetruck can you guys do an Ike run with a diesel surburban? Would be nice to see a direct comparison to the gas v8. Love your videos! Thanks
They’d likely be able to tow as 1500’s, unless built on the heavy duty truck’s frame.
"its not telling me what gear i am in" Knowing that is kinda one those "aww cool" for about 1 week then after that no one even pays attention to it anymore or even cares.
It matters when you tow. Especially when the transmission has three or four overdrive gears and you're in a situation exactly like this test. Do you want to manually turn off the overdrive or is the computer handling it fine?
@@codeman99-dev If the computer isn't handling it fine, all you have to do is manually tell it to downshift. If the RPMs are still too low, tell it to downshift again. What number of gear you are downshifting into doesn't matter at all. The only thing that matters is if the transmission is keeping the engine in the RPM range you want it to be in.
@@Nathan_King and if there is no manual mode?
@@codeman99-dev then that's a whole different problem all together. We were talking about not displaying what gear the transmission is using.
I dont need to know the gear if it has a tach. Of course now days with 9 and 10 speed transmissions its kinda nice but unnecessary to have an indicator.
Andre: trying to showing the bottoms
Mr truck: ITS ON THE WRONG SIDE
1 minute in and my focus was on that small house on wheels
Its a beatifull car, i have allways loved the Suburban. And its even better now, when they learned from, Fiat chrysler, Air suspention, and a nice interior, almost as nice as my Bighorn.
Nice truck and trailer! I wish I could afford one.
@10:28 if you are right handed then being on left would be better since if you have to emergency brake then your dominate strong hand is still on the wheel. No real wrong place for it as long as its easy to get to.
"take 1 point off for brake controler" ....... that is personal preference just cause you don't like it there shouldn't be reason to take off.
Expy is still the king of SUVs when it comes to the Ike test. It scored an 86.
i rate it 100. But that is me and my opinion so.
Yeah, 28-gallon tank seems much but it's still 3 less gallons than the MY 2020. With equivalent MPGs that 45-60 miles less range.
I wish it had a 50 gallon tank.
New suburban shave come a long way, and the seats are comfy and supportive, but wait till you take a road trip in those stuff sporty seats. Then you wanna jump back a couple generations into the 2003-2006 GMT800s, those were like couches.
Gm .. 🙄❓Brake controller 😭left side , 🕵🏼♀️
Great Work boys
It’s so weird because when they first started doing these reviews I remember they had a truck where the break controller was on the right side and they complained that they didn’t like it on that side.
@@calebrod3294 Never complained about it on the right side
These trucks have gotten so good if that’s the biggest complaint
@@noahmcclure2515 Agreed
This is a lot better than their truck counterparts which means they have a better interior and luxurious ride which improves it for 2021.
I love my 09 2500 suburban 7 passenger plus 7 thousand pounds on the trailer still very power full
So many great vehicles in the market that are chock-full of features. They're awesome, as long as everything is working. THAT is what the problem seems to be these days. So many breakdowns and recalls across all the brands. The manufacturers keep piling on so many frills and gee whiz features that are prone to fail.
running it as an Auto transmission, why do you guys get so disappointed not knowing what gear its in?? I don't understand the importance when the equipment is doing the work. If you wanna know what gear use manual shifting!
Always was a fan and still is
It’s a trailer brake controller! Set it correctly when you pull off with the trailer or drop off/pickup a load. and you shouldn’t need to change anything. Probly why they had to hit the brakes so many extra times
Brake controller on the left makes more sense forme. Its on the side of all the vehicles specific controls leaving center for cabin controls. Its cleaner and I have a left hand ...so i can operaste it on that side no problem.
Didn't the suburban used to have a 40 gallon tank?
Yes it did
@@TruckerMike089 The 2500 Suburban had 2 tanks totalling 39 gallons. The 1500 used to have a 32 gallon tank.
Yup have a 40 gallon on my 90 suburban
@@srulylowy5238 What year was that?
@@ScoobyDigites I used to own a 78 with a 40 gallon fuel tank. Wish I had never got rid of it
When you are driving multiple vehicles I can see where standardization of some controls would be a benefit. Once you are use to it no big deal. Remember when Ford put the horn button on the end of the signal light stalk. Absolutely hated it at first, once I got use to it best place for it. Using the 3/9 hand position on the wheel just meant tapping the stalk. Great location. Unfortunately the whiners got it changed.
One think I would like to know is can you pick a gear in the automatic and hold it? Use to driving standards in trucks and going down hill would pick a gear that I know would hold the speed I want and go with it. One of the reasons I prefer standards or the dual clutch auto's where you can pick the gear.
I love the old mans Invicta watch
I really don’t understand the desire to know what gear you are in for an automatic. Also the brake controller doesn’t bother me.
Confidence in the system. With more and more gears it is often jarring to drivers use to more traditional gearboxes (5 or less gears with a single overdrive speed).
It may be just as useful for the system to display if an overdrive gear is being used. Without that feedback it may be difficult to know if you should manually toggle your overdrive controls. When you have three or four overdrive gears it becomes much harder to identify that information.
99codemister meh I don’t buy it. The computer is smart enough to put you in the gear you need. If you do choose to manually control it, it will tell you what gear you are in.
@@kruck96 You can not buy it all you want. I catch automatic transmissions making the wrong choice fairly often. That's not even in a towing scenario either, let alone on a steep & long grade.
My own truck (2019), my dad's truck (2016), and even my wife's car (2017). All different manufacturers. All have (the now standard) two overdrive gears.
99codemister so your solution to a problem that doesn’t really exist is to put it in manual mode. When you do that it shows you what gear you are in on the gauge cluster so problem solved 🤷🏻♂️. When it’s in auto mode who cares? You either have enough power or you don’t.
@@kruck96 None of the vehicles I mentioned have a "manual" mode.
Not to mention that "manual" is not always respected. On the flip side, turning off overdrive *always* works because the computer knows you can't force the engine to red-line.
Right handlers... bite me!!! 😂 Great review, thanks for doing these men.
Remember the dually suburbans back then? It would toll the trailer and the 2021 suburban at the same time
TFL! Add a chart of all the scores and where the certain vehicle being tested is placed compared to others! Similar to the Doug score that way we can see where each car ranks! Just a thought
Thanks. Just the summary of changes I was looking for.