My girlfriend can't fathom how norm is my favorite character. I truly think norm is the vessel for people who are OBSESSED with the lore. Watching him figure things out and discover new things is awesome.
Norm was my favorite character too! I had never played the game before watching the show. So exploring the lore is literally the best part of the game to me.
I heard this guy says "ever since i was a little kid and booted up fallout 4", i was a bit confused but then I realised that fallout 4 is nearly a decade old
I was in my late twenties and on a ship when fallout four came out. I went to a telecom companies headquarters on Guadalcanal in the Solomon Islands and paid $120 for enough Data to download it on steam. That comment about playing it as a little kid hit me right in the old millennial.
I can't really wrap my head around Muldaver and why she led a team of raiders into Vault 33 for a farce wedding. Her depiction as a raider boss is totally incongruent with her depiction as one of the few remaining leaders of the NCR. It's like they forgot who she was supposed to be after the first episode. The saving grace is that we're clearly not done with her character, even though she's dead in the present. We still haven't seen all of Cooper's character arc or an explanation for how Muldaver survived the war.
its possible she didnt want to move a whole group of soldiers away from the main base since theres already so few of the NCR left or she did not want to risk losing anymore soldiers knowing that the vaults probably have armories.
So here's my theory after watching the show a few times. I think Muldaver was a former leader in the ncr that has been trying to unify all the different factions around LA in the wake of the shady sands explosion. Here's what I think happened. Hank goes after his kids, he partners with a group to attack shady sands. That group takes over shady sands and the NCR has to move it's capital. This is listed as "the fall of shady sands" on the blackboard. Eventuality the NCR retake shady sands, likely lead by Muldaver. Thinking that the next step in muldavers plan is to come after the kids, he has shady sands nuked to try to kill her but muldaver ends up surviving. NCR wants to abandon the area but she stays and tries to unite the remaining factions in the area. She finds rose after a decade and uses her pip boy to finally seek revenge
Realistically It's just a (poor) writing decision they made so that the opening experience goes the way it did. It makes less than zero sense for her to have grabbed some raiders to do a sloppy ass job like what happened, when she could have had a small group of well trained NCR troops do it quickly and efficiently. But then there'd be no raiders in the opening, and raiders are iconic for fallout.
@@rgw7345 this is a weird thing to think. It doesnt make less than zero sense for it to happen, it actually make quite a lot of sense. The ncr has been pretty much destroyed, and she leads one of the last surviving groups of ncr. She does not have enough soldiers to travel across a desert to the vault, and she cant leave the main nrc base defenseless. Plus she probably knew the vault had weapons and didnt want to risk her soldiers being killed. So does it not make more sense for her to ally herself with a raider clan close to the vault and use them instead? You are not smarter than the writers, so problem you see in the script is very possibly something they put there deliberately, so it would make more sense to figure out why its there, instead of immediately calling it bad writing like you did.
@0:58 "Ever since I was a dumb little 11-year-old kid booting up Fallout 4 for the first time." Oof, well I feel old as shit now. I was a dumb little 11-year-old kid when Fallout: Tactics came out.
I think the twist of season 2 will be around which nv ending is cannon, the whole season will imply that Mr house is the cannon ending up until the last episode where the main characters enter the lucky 38 and they discover, oh fuck it’s yes man.
I dunno. Consider how fucked the strip is, I get the vibe we won't even see much of it. We'll go there for an episode or two, discover that Vault Tech lady is actually a robot or something and that she's responsible for what happened in the strip and will do it again in the Boneyard if Lucy doesn't stop her. Then we'll get a plot with the BOS stealing the cloud from the Sierra Madre to use on the minute men or something, and we'll spend the rest of the season in the east cost for some reason. I just have such little faith that they'll do anything beyond basic fan service with their time in NV.
right, i think they did a good job on the props, they forgot they were making a game on the west coast and threw the bos again for some dumb reason, only infantilizing the wasteland and the ncr, and making it like i t was in fallout 1 which makes no sense to me
@@dcluvspie5777 Hardly definitely as show already destroyed existed lore like a bulldozer going true kindergarten. Might as well be any non-Legion ending or something else.
They did make some odd choices, like putting all those vaults in LA. This is set after Fallout 1, after the Master ravaged many vaults to capture people for his mutant army. His base was in LA, AKA the Boneyard, well south Boneyard, the Cathedral. No chance in Hell he would have let those vaults go by untouched. Especially the ones in south LA. And Shady Sands being moved into LA....In FO1 it was way north of LA, sat in-between vault 13 and 15...they were settlers of vault 15 after the door opened. Where it was at it's safest from harm. Choices I don't quite get that contradict the games. But then, the games contradict themselves anyway so it's to be expected unfortunately.
Can you explain if the boneyard was where modern LA is or if its somewhere else cause around the santa monica pier everything is just sand and skeletons
@@Pakotugudugudugudugudugudugu Bone Yard is just basically all of LA. It's that way on the map. Places like Santa Monica aren't marked, but where it would be is the same dark building ruins that are on Central LA. It's too close for the Master not to have raided them, because in game his army is already out of LA.
The whole point is the master couldnt have found vault 13 without knowing its location from the vault dweller. Since 33 32 and 31 seem relatively isolated, and moldaver is *spoilers* pre war, we can assume she found some other way in
Emil is living proof that lightning doesn't strike twice. Dude knocked it out of the park with the Dark Brotherhood quest in Oblivion, and from there on he just put out a consistent stream of shit. Somehow he rode that shit stream all the way to the top.
I disagree strongly about your point of not canonizing an ending. If you are going to have a Fallout story set in the same region as a previously released story, it’s actively detrimental to the plot that the ending of the previous story is left ambiguous. Like you said, Fallout is post-post apocalyptic, and to develop that aspect of the franchise we need to see growth / change between stories. Imagine a Fallout 2 that left Shady Sands as a simple town instead of letting it become the NCR, just because of “respecting player choice”. Same with season 2 of this show, think about how much less interesting it would be for New Vegas to end up as another ruined town (like Shady Sands) instead of the show committing to a House or NCR ending and playing out the ramifications of that. This isn’t me trying to fully disagree with you, I think having a majority of a Fallout main character’s story and choices left ambiguous is a good thing for the same reasons you do. I just think that the main plot of the show would be far more compelling if they choose an ending and run with it.
Something you should know, though, is that the OG Fallout 2 DID canonize an ending. They canonized specific parts of fallout 1and left others vague and were smart enough to have the story set DECADES after the first, to avoid giving too much of an idea of what happened in between the games. But that isn't how Bethesda rolls. Even as far back as Daggerfall and Morrowind, the studio has been dead set on canonizing *EVERY* outcome from the prior game. Which, naturally leads to nonsensical storytelling in an effort to make *every* player happy. But it's a fruitless endeavour that ultimately leads to a morass of meaninglessness. Bethesda can't just decide on an ending that make sense for the story they want to tell with their next game. They've got to create a nonsensical excuse as to why ALL the endings are somehow canon. Which robs the story of impact, because if every ending happens, then what was the point in choosing one to begin with? How on earth can they explain a character siding with two warring factions and simultaneously being for an independent new vegas? How can the player character convince several factions to fight on both sides of a war that ultimately won't matter anyway, because the outcome is irrelevant come the next release? We're seeing the fallout (haha) of Bethesda's story writing in live action. They can't decide how Fallout New Vegas ends. So we're going to get a jumbled mess of all the endings mixed together, in a timeline far too close to when the events took place. At least, that's what's most likely to happen without intervention from the showrunner's writing team, which I suspect will be handicapped by Todd Howard, infamous lying coward. If the show took place almost 40 years after the events of FO:NV, I could agree with you. If I had any confidence the showrunners would canonize one specific ending, I could agree with you. But this isn't Obsidian's fallout 2. This is, essentially, Bethesda (and Todd Howard's) Fallout 5. We're not going to see growth or development of even commitment to the ideas laid out in the series, we're going to get a theme park ride that spits in the face of the players who enjoyed the nuances that came with Fallout New Vegas's faction conflicts. That's why we got to see the east coast & some light remember-berries scattered throughout the show's first season. That's why we're going to see Vegas. That's why I'd be shocked and surprised if we didn't get a s3 with a story about the east coast & boston, inevitably canonizing every ending to FO:4 just for the shits and giggles, and fuck it, let's go north and see how the endings of FO3 turned out (oh hey, the enclave are still around? Guess that means the east coast BOS didn't actually fuck them all up at Mariposa.)
I COMPLETELY AGREE! I think games with multiple endings should ALWAYS have ONE canon ending confirmed after about 1 or 2 years or in the next game, so the community can theorize a while and then they get an answer, not having canon endings is a bad idea because a plot can never really evolve or build upon another story, all because of "Player choice"
At the end of the day, who cares if they make a certain ending canon or retcon certain things. It’s fictional. It doesn’t stop anyone going back to the games and enjoying them how they want. People are so easily butthurt over the most inconsequential stuff
here's the issue: they fully intend to 'not canonize an ending' and if discussion from the creators is to be believed none of the endings from new vegas will really matter as it's "so far in the future" that "things have changed"
Yeah. He *thought* his arc was over but it very much wasn’t, he didn’t realize he was about to have a whole crisis of faith and loyalty arc instead of proving his worth
Something I don't see many people talking about (probably because it's not the first time it's happened), is Shady Sands got moved from it's original location. Instead of being east of the Rocky Mountains (or even on them like Fo2), it's in the middle of LA. They literally just combined Shady Sands and The Boneyard so that they could have it end at the Griffith Observatory and still have the original capital of the NCR.
And didn't bother showing that it had a whole settlement inside it. Ceasar was even from there. Also why weren't the Followers or their university mentioned?
what i find really weird is the town of filly, i don't get it one bit, because la is the bone yard not filly, or is it a different town, it's a tad bit confusing. also shady sands was not the ruins of the old world, it was literally a city made up of buildings done in mud building style. like old Mexican style homes.
@@Comporio I'm like yourself in that I love New Vegas, it's literally my favourite game every made, but I don't really like talking about it because so many NV fans are so whiney and annoying. I do think it's one of the best of the series, but Fallout 1 might actually be my favourite and I bounce between the two so often. Swag ass video btw
@@Virgil-280 Thanks my man appreciate it and I definitely get you. Its now become the norm to say New Vegas is the best and all others suck. But I might actually like Fallout 4 just as much in my opinion. Its story, writing is much weaker obviously but I might actually enjoy it more, specifically in terms of gameplay.
@@Comporio I actually really enjoyed Fallout 4. I was 14 when it came out and I literally got dumped a few months before because I wouldn't stop talking about it lol, but I loved it. And then as time went on I enjoyed it less and less, but more so because I wasn't into the characters of the story all that much but the side stuff and the gameplay I really liked. Still think my ideal Fallout game would be the world of 3, gameplay of 4 with the characters and writing of 2 and New Vegas
Holy shit, you were eleven when Fallout 4 was released? Goddamn I’m getting old. You’re really right about the Ghoul being the guy for older Fallout players.
The nitpick isn't fair because ALL we want are true adaptations of our favorite games. I didn't need a fresh take of "The Witcher," I just wanted what I already like and signed up for.
Really? Because I enjoyed the last of us adaptation the least near the end, when it was basically a screen-to-screen adaptation of the game. It felt like I had seen it all before, done better, in the game. Adaptations that have more fun with the source material are better in my opinion
The Chinese largely used *STEALTH* submarines and bombers, and contrary to what the game did for goofiness, nukes are NOT that big, unless you drop a "Czar Bomba" which was never a practical weapon just a demonstration device. The lore from the start of the games is that very few megaton sized "city killers" were used, instead, they used a HUGE amount of smaller nukes Hiroshima sized and larger (25 to 700kilotons) and that makes sense for a lot of reasons: #1 they lacked advanced computers become transistors/chips didn't cone about until way later than our time line and are vital for miniaturizing and accuracy of such weapon systems, it also makes creation of "MIRV" style warheads with multiple nukes harder or impossible. #2 kind of related to #1 they lacked advanced rocketry we have, instead it was mostly somewhat simpler like 60s or early 70s tech, or used nuclear propulsion which is a major headache all in itself and not very viable for mass bombardment! (see the "Repconn" rockets in New Vegas and the lunar missile repurposed for an ICBM in Fallout 3's museum of technology). #3 Fallout's universe created more advanced fission *power* for practical things than we did, while possibly we have better warhead design (later is mentioned somewhere in the games IIRC).
All of that led to massive fallout production because the enormous number of bombs were mostly "ground burst" as the TV correctly shows, to cause more physical damage and crucially destroy hard military targets and produce enormous fallout that kills off the enemy *civilization*. "Big nukes" are inefficient, same principle as "cluster bombs" where lots of "small" is better, where as "a few big" is mostly a waste as the energy goes mostly upwards into space or overkill (anything beyond flattening an area is pointless). And no you wouldn't see a bomb drop unless you were in the "you are fried" zone, lol. You can see the re-entry vehicle of long range missiles as they make huge arcing trails as they are so hot, very spectacular when a "MIRV" comes down with 5 or more warheads (RL test footage shows that). In "Lonesome Road" it states that the West coast was largely hit by total surprise due to the Chinese stealth tech and also, the US leaders being idiots...or possibly...letting it happen
The "Enclave" just like our real life "overlords" are greedy elitist psychopaths etc, and that leads to stupid decision making, as they are driven by irrational, scheming, and deeply cowardly crap. They don't' really understand things because they chose not to empathize ("evil") or can't empathize (sociopathy) They push our cautious, rational, empathic people who would get int heir way, and surrounded themselves with "Yes Men" and scumbags like themselves. Ergo...stupid decisions are made based on greed, ego, jealousy etc One example is the turret in the TV show and in Fallout 2, iirc, in #2 if you sneak up on some Enclave soldiers guarding a base, they are bitching about having to be on guard duty while the base has many turrets, and his comrade tells him the turrets suck as the Enclave skimped out and bought cheap targeting systems, ie MK1 turrets which are crappy, lol
@@CSorgini Well the transistor and microchip were developed in Fallout, just not until much later than our world, around 2023 for transistors and 2050 for microchips :)
Thinking they should reveal the cold fusion at the beginning misses the entire point. A story's overall arc doesn't really matter most of the time. Most plots are generic. The thing that matters is characters. Lucy and Max are stories about blindly following/seeing the real world. They basically have a coming of age story with them. Cold Fusion adds nothing to that. It takes away from it.
Couldn’t agree more, it’s a character driven story! Each of the characters serve as a different way to view the wasteland, and they all experience growth during their journey. Not to mention the fact that they serve as an analogue for player character builds.
@@Pureblasphemy101 imagine if the Last of Us show had told you the twist of finding the cure at the start. It's the characters that matter not the overall plot. The Last of Us has pretty generic zombie story overarching plot. It's the characters, their experiences, and their relationships that matter
I agree. But these characters are not great. They're incredibly inconsistent. Act in stupid ways because 'plot', and that goes not only for the main characters, but the side characters too. Nobody acts like a real person. They're incredibly inconsistent with their capabilities and interests, often for cheap gags or easy entertainment. They just feel like quirky, but inevitably generic characters. The stories of Max and Lucy *sucks* AND the constant attempts at humour and references are too numerous and disrupt the story too much. Everything regarding the brotherhood was kind of unsatisfying and lacking punch. This lack of onscreen presence was 100% not helped by the awful decision to make Titus a coward who dies almost immediately in a scene for comedic relief. Imagine if Starwars started building up Darth Vader only to have him die in a Looney Tunes moment, whimpering for his life before stupidly insulting someone who then kills him. It wouldn't just hurt his character, but the Sith as a whole. The Enclave was never touched on and the Doctor died too soon for no real reason. Could have been a significantly more interesting character and most expected better than infinite power from the MFing Enclave. I can go on and on. "Evil scientist from the worst faction makes mysterious device everyone is fighting over and...it's just a power source." Cooper Howard was a significantly better character which the story would have been far better off being centered around even as an anti-hero. His biggest flaw is his lack of screentime and over reliance on flashbacks to tell his story rather than develop it with character interactions in the present. The best part of the show was Norm and everything happening within the vaults. That had better tension, mystery, and better buildup in comparison to every other storyline. But that failed in its conclusion. It was unsatisfying as it was mostly intended to contribute to Lucy's place in the plot than act as a satisfying conclusion to its own mini-arc. It feels like it was too focused on "subverting expectations" that it completely failed to meet them.
@@pagatryx5451 Cooper had an entire episode essentially dedicated to.his character. And it might not have met expectations for you, but for most of us it met all expectations and some. It's pretty universally praised except by a small minority. You might not have liked it, but it was a great show. Liking something and it being good are different things. I like Teansformers and it is complete trash. I have a friend that did not like Inside Out at all but acknowledges it is a great film, but he personally just didn't like it. I know a lot of people that don't even touch video games that considering it now because they liked the show so much
Fallout 4 carries the "Sin" of canonizing an ending where Dr. Li is alive, FEV wasn't released, Lyons fell out of power, and the Brotherhood won. I don't see how having a show canonizing an ending is wrong. We were not going to see New Vegas again regardless, so picking a heading and carrying on makes sense.
Heck, this show already canonizes endings for Fallout 4, because the Commonwealth Brotherhood is mentioned and the Prydwin isn’t blown up. So it’s either the brotherhood ending or a specific Minutemen ending.
@@josiadorthestrong1031 There's no way that stupid thing ever got out of Bahstan. It exists to explode like the loot pinata it is. @captironsight The problem is the brotherhood is probably the most boring thing in Fallout. Stealing a suit of power armor from someone is so much more fallout then getting it as some kind of quest reward for killing 15 synths in a 5 minute bethesda dungeon.
I don't think canonising an ending is inherently bad, if you can leave a decent amount of ambiguity to let the player imagine their choices were the ones going forward then that's great, but ultimately if you want to tell a story that follows on from the previous one you'll have to touch on some plot points that the player had some amount of choice in. New Vegas does create the issue of having 4 fairly well fleshed out endings covering how each of the major factions could alter the wasteland, so outside of a Daggerfall style Warp in the West that has time break to let all the endings somehow be canon at the same time (I love when Bethesda can get weird with their world building) they will have to pick one and run with it. The only other alternative is to destroy New Vegas so utterly that whatever the player chose doesn't matter since it's all destroyed anyway, but that goes from annoying most people by ignoring 3/4 endings, to annoying everyone, but ignoring them all.
Except fo1&2 we’re canonized, so was 3. Canonizing an ending isn’t bad, it’s the natural progression of the series. New Vegas was going to need to be canonized if we ever got a return to the west coast. Just because an ending is canon doesn’t mean your choices didn’t matter, it has nothing to do with enjoying the game at all. I personally believe none of the endings to new Vegas will be canon, I think they’re gonna go their own path, and that’s perfectly okay as long as they execute it well
16:38 to nitpick your nitpick, you wouldn't see a nuclear missile approaching. ICBMs travel 15,000 mph, all you would see is the flash of the explosion and not the missile coming.
When the warhead separated from the missile, is falling, which is how it works by the way. It will detonate thousands of feet up in the air, at close to terminal velocity. So yes, you don’t see an incoming warhead from a ballistic missile, but it’s more a fact that it’s detonating at such a distance where the warhead would be a tiny speck in your perspective, after entering the atmosphere, it would slow down drastically from the air resistance.
I disagree with the point that we need to know what the chip is for. The characters have their own reasons to find the chip. The ghoul needs money for his medicine. Lucy needs it to find her dad and maximus needs it so he can go back to the brotherhood. What the chip actually does in the end doesn’t really matter to the characters
Season 2 most likely. Remember in NV super mutants were forced east of the Mojave. The Enclave did tease a super mutant and there is also one on the Wanted board
The show can't exist in the same univers as the classics! Shady Sands is not in Los Angeles but up north in Death Valley. Vault 33/32/31 and 4(Boneyard Vaults) are right in the open anyone can see the entrance yet they are not breached by the Super Mutant Army, The Cathedral is right in the middle of the Boneyard where the Children of the Cathedral , the Unity, the Mutant Army and THE fu**ing MASTER is residing, its IMPOSIBLE they never found the Vaults that close to them with the doors right in the open!
IF YOU DO YOUR OWN EDITING, YOU DESERVE A RAISE. YOU'RE DOING SOME REALLY HARD WORK WITH THIS. You know that everyone is going to be watching this because, fallout, but you really out fallout the fallout fans for this one. I got to say, top class. I know this, because Tyler knows this. Except for 19:15 the reason they were set up for power was because Shady Sands. NCR was powered by a vault and it's cold fusion core, and everything else they developed after it for like the past ... 50-100 years.... including simple filament light bulbs they could make better in the Wild West times of the 1800s. It's not actually that advanced of a technology, especially if you can take the old bulbs and just replace the glass. Glass itself is the most advanced part of the tech.
Thanks mate! Yes I do all of this myself so thanks for the compliment. They may have rebuilt shady sands prior, but it was still nuked again even after the 200 years, also the man power and time it would take to even go ahead and replace the wiring and the lightbulbs in every single one of thos buildings is just too large of a feat it took me out instantly.
@@BlackJackeda different Prydwyn? It literally says Prydwyn on the side. Also, the Prydwyn was built from the remains of the Enclave crawler from F3; of which , there was only one. Bethesda and the showrunners are just lazy asf
I've always thought New Vegas had a cannon ending the same as every other game. We just never went back to that region so we never got to learn which ending it was, from the perspective the show changed nothing we just finally get an answer. It's also kind of implied by Bethesda typically cannonizing the morally best ending that it was most like the house or NCR endings that were cannon, as the player character never plays a big role after their own game, outside of the vault dweller founding Arroyo.
It was, then EMIL, Hodd's right hand.... man said "only games and TV show are canon".... then later titles tried to retcon many plot points and eventually defaced New Vegas' canon choice that the NCR suddenly got vaporized and the Legion.... where were they?
I mean, I kind of disagree with you that they should all need to know what they are fighting for, because they do know what they are fighting for, the head means something for each of them. For Lucy she’s fighting to get her dad back, Maximus is fighting for a place in the brotherhood, and the Ghoul is fighting for money.
I want to clarify on this a bit and I will use your comment to do so. The best example of this in the games is the Platinum Chip in New Vegas. It has its mystery, but strictly using the main quest as its linear narrative it is the midpoint of the story that reveals what the platinum chip is actually for. NOT at the climax at the end. I just want to clarify that with the head, the climax that its actually an energy device that can power a city which miraculously has all of its electronics and lightbulbs still intact for hundreds of empty buildings is just insane to me and it felt like it Jumped the Shark.
@@lazydroidproductions1087 i think he figured out when Honcho (the guy rhat took him out of the coffin) talked about Moldaver that she'd be his best bet
@13:06 as someone who's favourite fallout game is new Vegas and doesn't really interact with the general fallout community that's exactly how i feel lol. great video man. edit: i didn't see the end credits, well maybe a mister house ending and he is still alive somewhere in there and thats why he's going there we'll see
I'd say the ghoul is more like a 13 year olds oc than an experienced player. He's op like he's using console commands to toggle god mode and responds to every interaction with the "sarcastic" choice. An experienced player doesn't always go gun blazing as they know there are alternative routes.
Yeah, bro is literally using VATS (which allows us to see in slow motion that the showrunners did absolutely ZERO research on how his weapon show work). There's nothing in the show for fans of the OG Fallouts.
@@lukethelegend9705 It's almost like VATS doesn't actually exist in-lore. It's a goddamn gameplay-only feature, yet here we are anyway. I wrote more believable and balanced OCs when I was 12.
Not amazon created. It was a network tv show that bezos liked so much he bought the show after it was being canceled on TV. Just continued it on Amazon after that. So Amazon studios gets no credit in creating the show.
@@AHHHHHHHH21 I always mean what I say. "SyFy" is a TV channel. Stargate Atlantis and FarScape, for example, had all of their episodes first broadcasted on SyFy (which may or may not have been also called "Sci-Fi Channel" at the time).
I think they should have had a dancing box in the show just spinning and bouncing in the show. But, no one pays it any mind at all because it has been in all 3d fallouts.
Good video! I wanna point out some inaccuracies: 8:53 It is actually the rest of the season, yes. Maximus' arc doesn't end when he gets the armor back from the raiders, it goes through highs and lows as he comes to terms with the fact that the BoS isn't really a healthy presence for the wasteland in the way they act. Lucy convinces him to give back the fusion core to the vault, and in the same episode he chooses to reveal that he's not a knight, he's been playing pretend while wearing big boy pants that weren't his. There is a lot of depth in Maximus' character that runs all the way to the very final 10 minutes of the season, when he finally gets his wish of becoming a knight, but at a cost he didn't foresee: his integrity, his changed belief system that the BoS is actually not the idealized big family he thought it was, and it's a great culmination of his arc in a moment of truly bittersweet achievement. 11:20 A lot of reviewers get this wrong for some reason, and it's kinda pissing me off at this point. The ruins of Los Angeles below the Griffith Observatory have been in stable and protected NCR territory for, what, almost 100 years now? You don't think they lived in the buildings and skyscrapers of the city? You think they'd let the entire city's electrical infrastructure untouched since the war that happened 2 centuries ago? I'll admit there's no confirmation but this is the NCR we're talking about, a well-written West Coast faction, not one of those East Coast shoddy settlements that leave skeletons rotting in their living room couch for 200 years because it's environmental storytelling. You really don't think Moldaver knew where in NCR territory to activate the cold fusion device, after decades of study and planning? 12:00 You really think the secretive, shadow organization that has lost its leadership and most of its resources at the oil rig during Fallout 2 would wanna send out soldiers and scouts in search for a rogue scientist, making themselves visible and traceable to factions with some real firepower, like the BoS and the NCR? I don't think the Enclave base we see in the show is established at all, no one is in power armor, they have foot soldiers and turrets, but we don't really see any real power they hold other than their experiments. If they had the resources to catch their fleeing members, they'd have resources to establish a real presence in the wasteland again, which they clearly don't feel comfortable doing, seeing as how trigger-happy the BoS chapter of the area is when it comes to factions waving flags from high places. Your idea of excluding the Enclave entirely and instead fleshing out the science department of the BoS is a really good idea though, I think I'd have preferred that too 15:54
It's like a hollowed out papermache version of the setting people fell in love with through Fallout 1-Fallout: NV. It *looks* like fallout; They spared no expense in making sure it delivered on visuals, but beyond that, the show's a shallow representation of the game's deeper story & complex factions & societies. It just wants to market the idea to you, it doesn't actually want to commit to telling you a story in the setting.
11:25 not to be that guy, but the lightbulbs literally would have been replaced since the LA region was sort of like the heartland of the NCR before it’s collapse
16:51 If they were buried, the explosion would be completely different. Part of the effectiveness of atom bombs was that they detonate well *above* the ground. Oppenheimer indicated that the optimum height for detonation is 1,910 feet (580m) above the target. For example, Little Boy detonated at 1,968 feet above Hiroshima.
Well, in the fallout universe they actually were specifically ground-burst nukes, so you would get a crater, because the idea is ground a burst nuke which releases a lot more fallout and then everybody on the enemy side dies from it and you have won
As Creetosis stated in his videos, the forced overuse of Oldies songs every 5 seconds ROYALLY sabotaged any tone which would have gave tension to a scene. “Get that jelly mold out of here!”
I fine with them picking an ending for New Vegas, the whole point of the games was that everyone was doomed no matter what faction ya choose. The ending slides of the story and The Lonesome Road confirm it.
To theorize what I think happened to New Vegas that would still allow every ending to be canon, I think back to something Ulysses talked to the Courier about: “Death will come from below. The Mojave will be easy prey for the Tunnelers.” Since we see both broken securitrons and decaying deathclaw corpses, it’s safe to assume the Tunnelers could have burrowed up from beneath Vegas, bringing the Divide to the Shining Pearl of the wastes.
Bro the fact that LA didn’t erupt like a flare from a shit ton of electrical problems was wild as crunk. Also the ghoul juice was a major league buzz kill because I thought that was jet, which is funny as hell.
16:40 Waaaiiit a second, i think you stumbled onto something here. Regarding how much effort they put in the visuals even in that scene, forgetting the missiles by accident seems highly unlikely. The corporations discuss that they will have to make sure the bombs fall and the war escalates, so they whipe out all possible competitors on the long run. Yes, a lot of bombs fell from the sky, but they had to make sure to destroy everything and air defense fails. So yes, indications are shown that they simply ingited some nukes on the ground to finnish everything off.
@@ImCptnAwesome One of the most impactful and chilling scenes in Terminator 3, an otherwise underwhelming movie, is seeing the nuclear launches and detonations. It was one of the few parts of the movie that was praised, rightfully so. I've never seen anyone look at realistically portrayals of incoming nuclear MIRVs and not have chills at it. No, if anything, it would *_reinforce_* the scene by showing that futility of it and realizing that you're doomed. There's no escape, there's no "maybe a nuke won't hit," it's like seeing the inevitable approach and knowing there's no escape, no hope, nothing but looking at your own end in horror without being able to do anything. That is much more moving, impactful and visual than what was done with just... "boom, random nuke."
@@matchesburn I prefer the Fallout scene as it was. I was expecting one explosion, but I got many, and that allowed me to be surprised. If I see a bunch of bombs coming though, the surprise is gone.
Fr, LA having intact above-ground vaults and moving Shady Sands and seemingly retconing it together with the Boneyard are the just two things that made my tisim rage. The memberberries were neat, but a good show they do not make.
I think most people who can't stop talking about how much they hate the show should remember Todd and Emil never cared about "canon" in the first place. They only even understand that word as far as it describes a type of media they consider of a "higher form" than others. They think it sounds cool. It's PR - it's marketing. Responsibly declaring a piece of media "canon" comes with the implicit promise that you will put in effort to maintain continuity, which I don't believe they're capable of, let alone willing to do. The showrunners screwed up the lore, and Todd Howard ran damage control for them, calling the whole show "canon". I do not let the Fallout TV show ruin my enjoyment of the Fallout IP, and neither should you - at the end of the day, Bethesda will retcon the TV show in a few years. I don't put stock in what is and isn't "canon" in the Fallout universe, and neither should you - the legal owners of the IP don't care, so why should you? What will your internet whining achieve except you having an angry life? You still have a certain power over the IP as a consumer: only play the good Fallout games. Don't let the worse ones get you down! Damn, I am high af rn
@@justnoob8141 I said exactly what I said, the fact you don't know who made New Vegas is of no concern of mine. That said, you may want to remove your comment to not look like an idiot.
@@BlackJacked Man, educate yourself. Both Bethesda and Obsidian devs have stated in multiple interviews that Bethesda's involvement with New Vegas was limited to providing the game engine and dev tools. Anything beyond that was limited to Obsidian reaching out to Bethesda for technical support. In short, Obsidian did whatever they wanted with the game. And yes, I can pick myself what's canon, especially since what I'm throwing away goes against what was before.
This video was very good, and I agree with the points. I think the fallout show was good, even though I also agree that some parts of the plot are lost, however I still think its good. I like how this series is a continuation of the fallout series. Im looking forward to seeing how they encorporate new vegas and whether they will assume a previous plot in new vegas or not.
Finally somebody sane here. Most of this comment section is full of people doing full 180s on the show, wanting to decononize it as if it's a bad show. I agree it has its faults, but calling it a 6/10 is stupendous. More like a 7-8/10.
I think the show established what the characters were fighting for in a pretty creative way. Rather than spending multiple scenes telling us about the infinite power source, which wouldn’t matter for any of the main characters as none of them have a means to use it, the story tells us why the characters are fighting to secure the head. Lucy needs to get the head to Moldaver to save her father. Cooper is trying to find Moldaver and Hank to get information about his family. Maximus is trying to save himself from the brotherhood and possibly secure his spot as a Knight. I think the ending reveals did a great job setting up future seasons and keeping the Cold Fusion a secret allowed the season to focus on developing the characters and their motivations rather than making it all about the MacGuffin. Anyways great video.
I don’t think you understand what the plot actually is. Calling the vault a side story, is wrong. The plot IS vault-tec. Her looking for her father is her goal, but the plot is all about vault-tec. So her brother discovering the secrets, Lucy discovering the horrors of vault 4, and her father being vault tec, etc. that’s the plot. It’s all the same plot. They’re all just learning different ways, and different portions of it. But it’s all one story. But season 1 was basically just setting the stage. Introducing the characters and the direction. And I thought it did great. Took me a few tries to actually get into it though, but once I did I binged it and want more. Also, I hate Maximus. He’s dumb, and annoying. And the actor overacts too much. He thinks he’s Denzel or something. I think norm is fantastic, and has a ton of potential. Lucy is charming, as intended. The ghoul is fantastic. And has the most depth of any character. But I love that they’re telling a new story, and not retelling one we’ve already “lived through”.
Norm was my fav character as a person who's never engaged in any fallout media. Seeing him slowly discover the secret of the vaults whilst also being a nihilistic, deadpan underling was actually super fun lol.
Well the more I think about it, the NCR and House endings make the most sense because the NCR military and economy was declining and spread thin. If they succeeded in the Mojave it would strain their resources even more, and if it was the House Ending, the NCR would still be on the decline economically, the military would be demoralized. The worst thing that could happen for the NCR was if Kimball lived because Kimball was a complete pariah already, so his assassination would’ve turned him into a martyr and reinvigorated the NCR’s resolve. Considering Todd stated the NCR is still kicking cause he had to explain that since folks who are “Ultra NCR fans” somehow forget that Shady Sands was one city with a relatively small fraction of the entire population of the NCR being nearly, at, or over a million citizens and soldiers. No folks, the NCR didn’t get deleted, they are just spread thin because of the expansions they were doing, something the lore established in New Vegas, had really messed up their economy and military might. Todd has also stated that they took things from each New Vegas ending, but they are not choosing a specific one. Considering that this takes place 15 years after New Vegas, it has been 15 years since the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, meaning anything could’ve happened between the end of the game and this time in the story. I will say as both a fan who started with F:NV (being my favorite), I enjoyed the show and love it. I don’t fault folks for disliking it, cause it does have its faults. But when folks try to use specific opinions they hold to try and ruin the experience for others, I think their opinions are moot and should be ignored like Star Wars Theory, Geeks + Gamers, Doomcock and the rest of those grifting clowns. The show led to my fiancé picking up New Vegas (as in I of course being the loving man I am, bought it for her when she wanted a fallout game), and it allowed my parents to connect with me a bit more about a game and its story/universe I enjoyed growing up on as a kid.
I was with you up until you mentioned Todd. 1. Yes, Shady Sands may have been a small town... IN THE GAMES. The show moves it into the middle of Boneyard which is one of, if not the biggest city in NCR. 2. NCR would NOT allow a huge Enclave facility exist in a spitting distance of the Boneyard, even when stretched thin. 3. The entire NCR in the show is like a few hundred people at best and they behave like raiders. It's like the entire faction was nuked, not just a single small town. 4. The Second Battle of Hoover Dam happened 14 years (not 15) prior to the show's start, but according to the show... SHADY SANDS WAS NUKED 4 YEARS BEFORE NEW VEGAS EVEN STARTED.
@@LecherousLizard False Shady Sands was not nuked 4 years before New Vegas, that was confirmed by Todd and also simple math when you factor in Maximus was about 6 years old when it happened, and his age doesn’t match the whole “fOuR yEaRs BeFoRe” argument which Bethesda and the producers have clarified on already, if you ignore that its willfully ignorant at best, flat out disingenuous at worse. Shady Sands began an economic and societal collapse, which would culminate into the nuking of it, which the economic and societal collapse is reflected in the lore within in New Vegas as they even imply it is no longer the capitol, further proven by the sign in show calling it: The first capitol of the NCR. They have also stated the NCR is not done yet as a faction and will play a MAJOR role in the upcoming season. The NCR however had become morally bankrupt after Tandi’s death, as represented by statements made by characters such as Cass, Boone, Mr. House, and Chief Hanlon. If you pay attention to the actual dialogue and read terminal entries and notes instead of skipping past them, maybe you’d get a clearer picture, Instead of writing off my entire statement. Also the map people have been using is also from a game which map was declared as canonically shifty at best. There is a fantastic video breaking this down about how wrong most of these critics are and it shows how little they actually pay attention to lore. As of the mention of the NCR not allowing a huge Enclave facility, their military was spread thin, and they wouldn’t have been able to really deal with it, especially since now they have to mobilize their forces and recall all of them to defend the other cities. Colonel Moore and Major Knight make this blatantly obvious in multiple dialogue strings when talking about how bad logistics were thanks to morons like General Oliver and Kimball for not understanding how to handle military operations. A MAJOR plot point of New Vegas was to show the gradual decline of the NCR rather than show it at its peak, and folks who miss that, missed the point of New Vegas. Plus, the NCR clearly lost the Mojave, which was guaranteed to happen without the couriers help, and tbh, it would make more sense for the courier to just go and finish their job, get their revenge, and head their own way rather than help the NCR in their war effort. The House Ending is likely what occurred, though they probably pulled a bit from all endings.
@@AHHHHHHHH21 Pray tell when and how has it been debunked? If you mean that it's inconclusive, because the timeline shown in the show doesn't have a date next to the image of a nuclear explosion, then I'm sorry, but that's not debunking, that's hard coping, because why wouldn't you put a date next to the most important city on the West side of North America TURNING INTO A CRATER? No, Shady Sands was nuked in 2277 and New Vegas begins in 2281. You can either accept that the show retcons New Vegas and thus doesn't give two shits about the established story/lore or admit the show is crap, because they couldn't even get something as basic as that right. There's no third choice.
@@LecherousLizard 2277 was the start of the decline of shady sands that led to the nuke. Those things don't happen instantly. Also, you only gave me one option and said there was no third option. Kinda strange if you ask me. Sure you might not like the direction fallout it going, but according to the player counts, millions disagree with you. You can go and call them normies and gatekeep for whatever reason if you want but I would really advise you to stop going on no mutants allowed.
All games end up canonizing something from the ones coming before them, its not a dumb choice to canonize a some part or another from New Vegas, Its just normal progression
I think my main beef with the fallout show is it's just retreads of previous Bethseda games. "I lost my family, I need to find my family, but my family is actually evil" Same story beat as Fallout 3 and 4. Drives me nuts.
Which was copied somewhat from the first game about fixing a water purifier. Bethesda literally stole it from Obsidian and kept rehashing it for every title they sharted out. You know what, I hope Fallout 5 will be some schmuck Vaulter trying to find his future ex-wife.
This was a very good video, I agree with your points. I think that the series is good, and has elements that may be stupid in the plot, but overall it was enjoyable. Im looking forward to how they incorporate New Vegas and if they will cannonise a polt or not.
Fallout show is what happens when you're given a bethesda title. You forget everything the show's main story (quest) is about because it sucks so and run off doing whatever. The show is full of "Oh wow cram! Oh the hacking minigame! He mentioned the water chip pog!" But the actual already established Fallout Lore is all over the place. If you're a zoomie you probably don't care or haven't played it but lets look at some things. Why ghouls need drugs not to go feral? They don't even need radaway even if it was. Straight up a guy in Necropolis (Winthrop) who's a ghoul studies ghouls says radaway is worthless. Ghouls go insane because of too much constant exposure to rads. Their DNA is damaged. Also who the fukk is making this stuff? The BOS? NCR? The Enclave? They all hate mutants lmao. The Enclave are back because of course they are and for some reason they're into cold fusion and this is the plot point. Uh you guys already have this with the GECK through vault tec. The Government, enclave, vault tec... what the fukk is this? Every Protag from Bestheda comes from a vault. Zzzz. Fallout 1 you where a vault bro. Fallout 2 you were a Unga Bunga. Fallout NV you were a courier on the surface. Creatively bankrupt. Bethseda doesn't seem to understand the scale of the fallout world either and the surface never changes beyond a few metal shacks here and there. Everything still looks like it's been nuked 10 years ago. (This was mentioned near the end of the video.) The phrase "War never changes" is everywhere because humans blah blah but the world the war is fought in does. (Or should but not the case I guess. NV had to use old assets and didn't have time to create new ones.) Shady Sands lmao. A guy in power armor losing to a literal bear. How? Just because it's called a "Yao guai" It's a bear on rads which is still a regular bear. You could put on a suit of plate armor from the 1400's and you should be able to chase it off. Power armor can deflect small arms fire to the point some claws and teeth shouldn't be an issue. If it were a deathclaw that'd make more believable as they're bio engineered for straight up killing. Why are the vaults so easy to find? Why did they move the boneyards and such? Why did the master not find these vaults when 4 is broadcasting it's location and lucy and them and just walk in? A bunch of dumb raiders could do it and raiders are dumb. That whole raider thing was also dumb. NCR lol. Did the largest force in the west just roach out? What happened. (Also what is this blood cult stuff in shady sands? weird but whatever.) The BoS must be some sort of raider faction larping as the BOS. They don't even know how to use the fukking flashlights on their armor. Also where are their lasers? All they seem to have is power armor that falls apart in 2 seconds and don't know how to use. (How would they not find the "flaws"? How did major operations like anchorage happen with this?) They spend more time backstabbing and being cowards than anything. Brotherhood of Steel? More like Bumbledumbs of Stupid. And the worst offender of them all? The lack of anyone saying RED CHINESE COMMUNISTS. We all know why, censorship. Absolute Ball-less communist behavior. There also wasn't a single liberty prime reference the one thing almost everyone would remember. They say "the reds" but what if you've never "Falled out" once? Who are the reds? The Soviets? The British? Time Traveling Marked Men? I don't even care about the vault tec stuff unless they straight up say "Yeah they did it they did the nukes it wasn't the chinese it was us VAULT TEC! We're going to be so rich lmao. We're going to control america and the world" New flash idiot prewar money (or any money on a scale disaster like this) is worthless and rich people already control the world now. You need to establish a world but who cares everyone lives in shacks still and day to day is all survival. I just pretend it's a funny whacky wasteland adventure where I've taken the Wild Wasteland perk 10 times in a row. It's insane.
It might be that the audience's first expose to the Fallout franchise was through memes and funny UA-camrs, which isn't a bad thing but it is when they just view the series as a comedy along with not caring about it's beginings
@@gamaactive8278 Yeah I have a feeling this is both for the more casual / fallout 4 /76 and the "TV" crowd. I'm tired of "long time fans" defending it as canon when it's clear there's issues. The dumb dialogue I don't even mind I just assume it's a speech check failure. I think if this show took place somewhere else in the world instead of already established west coast 90% of these issues could be thrown out.
@@XzMondayNightzX You're probably right on the audience part, though another part to add is that "fans" got too complacent on accepting constant plot holes because "Bethesda always did that" as an excuse. I guess they never heard that tolerating bad products will lead to terrible results. Either way I'm sure the actual fans will just move to Metro or S.T.A.L.K.E.R. since those two give the vibes of dread and having to focus on surviving in a apocalypse. As for the dumb dialogue it might be due to the co-creator/ co-showrunner, Geneva Robertson-Dworet, who as far as i know worked on the 2018 Tomb Raider and Captain Marvel. I'm pretty sure it would've had the same outcome even if it didn't took place in the West Coast given it's still comedy focus, the best they could've done is a cartoon with the Vault Tec animation instead.
«The phrase "War never changes" is everywhere because humans blah blah» Ulysses says «if war doesn't change, men must change», which is a great summary of Fallout and Bethesda doesn't get it in the slightest «We all know why, censorship. Absolute Ball-less communist behavior.» no, they're just morons, New Vegas had a somewhat leftist skew and wasn't afraid to engage with the red scare and ridicule it
@@gamaactive8278 «fans" got too complacent on accepting constant plot holes because "Bethesda always did that" as an excuse» don't worry, modders will fix the show
Respect for voicing your critique, you don't get to see this much nowadays. I think for being an Amazon show it's really good, like one of the best I've seen from them on same level in production quality as The Boys. I loved the Norm's plot and the Cooper's flashbacks, but Lucy/Ghoul and Maximus/Thaddeus plots were slightly above average at best. Also typical corporate move to insert tranny into the show just for the publicity. It's annoying, but that's the only nitpick I have, everything else is either meh or better. It's not on the same level as Arcane, but it's MILES ahead of TLOU show or the Warcraft movie. I feel like 7/10 would be more appropriate. It's at the point it won't insult a fan of the series and that's where all of the adaptations should be at.
Yeah I do have to admit, in terms of visual quality it is one of the best TV SHOWS I have seen. particularly when it comes to visual effects and the use of practical effects. 7/10 is what I would give it if I had to give it a numbered score aswell.
Personally I dislike the aesthetics, It went for the Fallout 4 style look which overdid the 1950's and Jetsons crap. Also everyone still living in 200 year old rubble shanty towns 200+ years later is pretty dumb.
I appreciate how you talked about something different other than just complaining that they nuked shady sands for the 16th time like other reviews ive seen from fans
I dont really mind canonizing an ending, theres still different timelines, and the games before pretty much had a cannon or default ending. Everyone wanted a "new vegas 2" If we got a new vegas 2, they'd have to set a canon ending lol, thats how you build apon things and tell an intertwining story
I have always been open to a New Vegas 2, but yes it would be tricky in a sense. I guess they could do something never done before in a game and have you pick which ending you chose in New Vegas to continue a new story based on the ending you chose for the second game. Think of it as basically post game after your New Vegas ending.
That’s a very good point, I was never like “I can’t wait for Lucy to get her Dad back!” I was always like “I can’t wait to see what she runs into outside of the vault and all the horrors, creatures and abominations she’ll inevitably come across!” 😊
I still think the show is a lot better than anything else that's come out recently.. but.. It's almost like they wanted the dr. zimmer here to be a brotherhood scientist then changed it last second in fear of making the brotherhood out to be "too evil" and wanted to inject the enclave ( even though they were literally wiped out on the west coast, then their remnants were wiped out on the east coast ). The thing about New Vegas is that Obsidian (the original makers of Fallout) came back and made it, probably never expecting them to return to the West Coast since Bethesda has an A plot/ B plot going on, with the West/East coast. Bethesda's story is the East Coast (B plot). I am kind of upset where they took both the NCR and the Brotherhood in the show. NCR's remnants had no reason to behave the way they did, even if they wanted to take Lucy's dad. Why would they become raiders, the type of people that gave them a reason to them evolve from Shady Sands to begin with. Why would they ever behave the way they did in the 2 vaults? Then with the BOS, The Brotherhood of the East Coast had some big changes occur in their ideology ( became peacekeepers then rejected that while doubling down on reclaiming tech, still accepting outsiders) throughout the games, and the west coast branch was mostly wiped out, if I remember correctly. The faction members supposed to be bigoted against mutants and isolationist; but they are also stalwart soldiers, indifferent to outsiders, and loyal to the cause. WTF is with every character in their faction during the show being douche-bags, cowards, horribly trained, and straight up annoying to watch/listen to/be around? It seems like the East coast returned to the West coast but then completely atrophied? I feel like season 2 were going to return to Vegas to find The Legion turned into a peace preaching commune. That's a joke, but like.. kind of the same caliber of culture-destruction we saw of the NCR and BOS.
The Brotherhood of Steel have long been my favorite part of Fallout. Seeing them kind of butchered in the show was disappointing. Plus like you said they were pussies, and they were the bad guys. They fly in on vertiberds and gun down innocent unarmed fleeing civilians. They use zero tactics, just run in and get chumped despite having copious amounts of power armor. What. They aren’t a religious order- they’re a military order. But Amazon is making them the new stormtroopers.
I’m someone who REALLY enjoyed the show but I can’t really disagree either any of your negative points at all, it’s a great show but it could’ve been better
Cooper Howard was plucked straight out of a movie poster from New Vegas, if you didn't know :) Also, Fallout 4 is incredibly replayable due to the multiple faction choices and ESPECIALLY bc of settlement building and build variety. I know the plot wasn't that great but PLEASE don't compare it to Fallout 3 lol.
Bad show, when I played it on Amazon it autosaved and crashed
Bro, yours auto saved? Mine blue screened and corrupted all my saves.
Mine was f3 and nv era so I forgot to save, died and had to replay the last 2 hours to get back to where I was.
I went afk then a super mutant killed me lost all my progress
My game exploded
You can play it past the title screen? Mine just crashes the moment I start a new game!
Can't wait for Norm to become the new overseer and then say to Lucy when she finally returns... "Im sorry.. you're a hero... and you have to leave".
Hahaaaa, made my day! 😀
He's actually bound to follow the path of the Fallout 1 protagonist. Someone needs to get a Water Chip.
@@unnamedshadow1866 ong
@@unnamedshadow1866 foreshadowing?????
Good prediction!
My girlfriend can't fathom how norm is my favorite character. I truly think norm is the vessel for people who are OBSESSED with the lore. Watching him figure things out and discover new things is awesome.
Indeed, I love him as a character
Sad Little Man is best man. Prove us wrong.
also, seeing him reach a new audience since hannah montana has been cool. he's grown a lot as an actor.
I couldnt get past the way he looks in a vault suit. Its haunting
Norm was my favorite character too! I had never played the game before watching the show. So exploring the lore is literally the best part of the game to me.
I heard this guy says "ever since i was a little kid and booted up fallout 4", i was a bit confused but then I realised that fallout 4 is nearly a decade old
Im only like three years older than him yet I feel so old now
You are both noobs
I was in my late twenties and on a ship when fallout four came out. I went to a telecom companies headquarters on Guadalcanal in the Solomon Islands and paid $120 for enough Data to download it on steam. That comment about playing it as a little kid hit me right in the old millennial.
@@Fred-rv2tuI was 24 in 2015 so I feel ya brother.
Oh NO! Oh shit!
You forgot Maximus' main perk investment in Idiot Savant.
I can't really wrap my head around Muldaver and why she led a team of raiders into Vault 33 for a farce wedding. Her depiction as a raider boss is totally incongruent with her depiction as one of the few remaining leaders of the NCR. It's like they forgot who she was supposed to be after the first episode.
The saving grace is that we're clearly not done with her character, even though she's dead in the present. We still haven't seen all of Cooper's character arc or an explanation for how Muldaver survived the war.
«like they forgot who she was supposed to be»
yeah, that't the show for you
its possible she didnt want to move a whole group of soldiers away from the main base since theres already so few of the NCR left or she did not want to risk losing anymore soldiers knowing that the vaults probably have armories.
So here's my theory after watching the show a few times. I think Muldaver was a former leader in the ncr that has been trying to unify all the different factions around LA in the wake of the shady sands explosion. Here's what I think happened.
Hank goes after his kids, he partners with a group to attack shady sands. That group takes over shady sands and the NCR has to move it's capital. This is listed as "the fall of shady sands" on the blackboard.
Eventuality the NCR retake shady sands, likely lead by Muldaver. Thinking that the next step in muldavers plan is to come after the kids, he has shady sands nuked to try to kill her but muldaver ends up surviving. NCR wants to abandon the area but she stays and tries to unite the remaining factions in the area. She finds rose after a decade and uses her pip boy to finally seek revenge
Realistically It's just a (poor) writing decision they made so that the opening experience goes the way it did. It makes less than zero sense for her to have grabbed some raiders to do a sloppy ass job like what happened, when she could have had a small group of well trained NCR troops do it quickly and efficiently. But then there'd be no raiders in the opening, and raiders are iconic for fallout.
@@rgw7345 this is a weird thing to think. It doesnt make less than zero sense for it to happen, it actually make quite a lot of sense. The ncr has been pretty much destroyed, and she leads one of the last surviving groups of ncr. She does not have enough soldiers to travel across a desert to the vault, and she cant leave the main nrc base defenseless. Plus she probably knew the vault had weapons and didnt want to risk her soldiers being killed. So does it not make more sense for her to ally herself with a raider clan close to the vault and use them instead? You are not smarter than the writers, so problem you see in the script is very possibly something they put there deliberately, so it would make more sense to figure out why its there, instead of immediately calling it bad writing like you did.
@0:58 "Ever since I was a dumb little 11-year-old kid booting up Fallout 4 for the first time." Oof, well I feel old as shit now. I was a dumb little 11-year-old kid when Fallout: Tactics came out.
I was 13 when fallout 1 came out... ouch
Same
I was 4 when fallout 4 came out 🗿
Adfagnsd i was 13 when i bought fallout 3 😢😅
@@Jaysin412Yeah, I was 15 ... those were the times ... :D
I think the twist of season 2 will be around which nv ending is cannon, the whole season will imply that Mr house is the cannon ending up until the last episode where the main characters enter the lucky 38 and they discover, oh fuck it’s yes man.
I dunno. Consider how fucked the strip is, I get the vibe we won't even see much of it. We'll go there for an episode or two, discover that Vault Tech lady is actually a robot or something and that she's responsible for what happened in the strip and will do it again in the Boneyard if Lucy doesn't stop her. Then we'll get a plot with the BOS stealing the cloud from the Sierra Madre to use on the minute men or something, and we'll spend the rest of the season in the east cost for some reason. I just have such little faith that they'll do anything beyond basic fan service with their time in NV.
right, i think they did a good job on the props, they forgot they were making a game on the west coast and threw the bos again for some dumb reason, only infantilizing the wasteland and the ncr, and making it like i t was in fallout 1 which makes no sense to me
Definitely Yes man ending based on how destroyed NV is
@@dcluvspie5777 Hardly definitely as show already destroyed existed lore like a bulldozer going true kindergarten. Might as well be any non-Legion ending or something else.
@@ReichLife That’s a fucking exaggeration and you know it…
They did make some odd choices, like putting all those vaults in LA. This is set after Fallout 1, after the Master ravaged many vaults to capture people for his mutant army. His base was in LA, AKA the Boneyard, well south Boneyard, the Cathedral. No chance in Hell he would have let those vaults go by untouched. Especially the ones in south LA. And Shady Sands being moved into LA....In FO1 it was way north of LA, sat in-between vault 13 and 15...they were settlers of vault 15 after the door opened. Where it was at it's safest from harm. Choices I don't quite get that contradict the games. But then, the games contradict themselves anyway so it's to be expected unfortunately.
Can you explain if the boneyard was where modern LA is or if its somewhere else cause around the santa monica pier everything is just sand and skeletons
@@Pakotugudugudugudugudugudugu Bone Yard is just basically all of LA. It's that way on the map. Places like Santa Monica aren't marked, but where it would be is the same dark building ruins that are on Central LA. It's too close for the Master not to have raided them, because in game his army is already out of LA.
The whole point is the master couldnt have found vault 13 without knowing its location from the vault dweller. Since 33 32 and 31 seem relatively isolated, and moldaver is *spoilers* pre war, we can assume she found some other way in
They need to redo 1+2 I swear
@@skatedsan1456i rather they don’t touch them at all
1:19 - Nate was out of the military for at least two years by that point. Emil is just an idiot, one who failed upwards.
While Emil might be an idiot, the Sole Survivor being canonically a war criminal is just too funny to pass up
Well "liar" is in the middle of his last name
He is a synth
Emil is living proof that lightning doesn't strike twice. Dude knocked it out of the park with the Dark Brotherhood quest in Oblivion, and from there on he just put out a consistent stream of shit. Somehow he rode that shit stream all the way to the top.
@@Marcelelias11yeah. Idc what they say he's a psychopathic war criminal and now it's the problem of everyone in the wasteland
Norm was my favourite character hands down, next to Cooper Howard
And then there’s dogmeat
based Irish brother💪💪
Same
Norm build is legit.
I disagree strongly about your point of not canonizing an ending. If you are going to have a Fallout story set in the same region as a previously released story, it’s actively detrimental to the plot that the ending of the previous story is left ambiguous. Like you said, Fallout is post-post apocalyptic, and to develop that aspect of the franchise we need to see growth / change between stories. Imagine a Fallout 2 that left Shady Sands as a simple town instead of letting it become the NCR, just because of “respecting player choice”. Same with season 2 of this show, think about how much less interesting it would be for New Vegas to end up as another ruined town (like Shady Sands) instead of the show committing to a House or NCR ending and playing out the ramifications of that.
This isn’t me trying to fully disagree with you, I think having a majority of a Fallout main character’s story and choices left ambiguous is a good thing for the same reasons you do. I just think that the main plot of the show would be far more compelling if they choose an ending and run with it.
Something you should know, though, is that the OG Fallout 2 DID canonize an ending. They canonized specific parts of fallout 1and left others vague and were smart enough to have the story set DECADES after the first, to avoid giving too much of an idea of what happened in between the games.
But that isn't how Bethesda rolls. Even as far back as Daggerfall and Morrowind, the studio has been dead set on canonizing *EVERY* outcome from the prior game. Which, naturally leads to nonsensical storytelling in an effort to make *every* player happy. But it's a fruitless endeavour that ultimately leads to a morass of meaninglessness.
Bethesda can't just decide on an ending that make sense for the story they want to tell with their next game. They've got to create a nonsensical excuse as to why ALL the endings are somehow canon. Which robs the story of impact, because if every ending happens, then what was the point in choosing one to begin with? How on earth can they explain a character siding with two warring factions and simultaneously being for an independent new vegas? How can the player character convince several factions to fight on both sides of a war that ultimately won't matter anyway, because the outcome is irrelevant come the next release?
We're seeing the fallout (haha) of Bethesda's story writing in live action. They can't decide how Fallout New Vegas ends. So we're going to get a jumbled mess of all the endings mixed together, in a timeline far too close to when the events took place. At least, that's what's most likely to happen without intervention from the showrunner's writing team, which I suspect will be handicapped by Todd Howard, infamous lying coward.
If the show took place almost 40 years after the events of FO:NV, I could agree with you. If I had any confidence the showrunners would canonize one specific ending, I could agree with you. But this isn't Obsidian's fallout 2. This is, essentially, Bethesda (and Todd Howard's) Fallout 5. We're not going to see growth or development of even commitment to the ideas laid out in the series, we're going to get a theme park ride that spits in the face of the players who enjoyed the nuances that came with Fallout New Vegas's faction conflicts. That's why we got to see the east coast & some light remember-berries scattered throughout the show's first season. That's why we're going to see Vegas. That's why I'd be shocked and surprised if we didn't get a s3 with a story about the east coast & boston, inevitably canonizing every ending to FO:4 just for the shits and giggles, and fuck it, let's go north and see how the endings of FO3 turned out (oh hey, the enclave are still around? Guess that means the east coast BOS didn't actually fuck them all up at Mariposa.)
I COMPLETELY AGREE! I think games with multiple endings should ALWAYS have ONE canon ending confirmed after about 1 or 2 years or in the next game, so the community can theorize a while and then they get an answer, not having canon endings is a bad idea because a plot can never really evolve or build upon another story, all because of "Player choice"
At the end of the day, who cares if they make a certain ending canon or retcon certain things. It’s fictional. It doesn’t stop anyone going back to the games and enjoying them how they want.
People are so easily butthurt over the most inconsequential stuff
here's the issue: they fully intend to 'not canonize an ending' and if discussion from the creators is to be believed none of the endings from new vegas will really matter as it's "so far in the future" that "things have changed"
@@ahealthkit2745 right, but i dont understand y ur saying that fallout 2 did canonize an ending as if that wasnt already his whole point lol
If you think Maximus‘ arc ended in the episode he got his armor, you have not been paying attention at all
Maximus arc is NOT over. At the start he was a dumbass squire and at the end he is a dumbass knight with a girlfriend(kinda)
Nah, he is right. Maximus’ arc is all over the place. His characterisation is conveniently switched all the time during the show.
Maximus starts out as an evil and unlikeable person and he ends the show as an evil and unlikeable person
@@artyom-ovsepyan how so?
Yeah. He *thought* his arc was over but it very much wasn’t, he didn’t realize he was about to have a whole crisis of faith and loyalty arc instead of proving his worth
Something I don't see many people talking about (probably because it's not the first time it's happened), is Shady Sands got moved from it's original location. Instead of being east of the Rocky Mountains (or even on them like Fo2), it's in the middle of LA. They literally just combined Shady Sands and The Boneyard so that they could have it end at the Griffith Observatory and still have the original capital of the NCR.
And didn't bother showing that it had a whole settlement inside it. Ceasar was even from there. Also why weren't the Followers or their university mentioned?
what i find really weird is the town of filly, i don't get it one bit, because la is the bone yard not filly, or is it a different town, it's a tad bit confusing.
also shady sands was not the ruins of the old world, it was literally a city made up of buildings done in mud building style.
like old Mexican style homes.
Almost like none of it matters as much as you think, and we can just all enjoy a really phenomenal show without nitpicking it to oblivion....hmmmm
Season 2 being filmed in CA. Gonna apply as an extra at Central Casting and try to get a part as a NPC waster.
Goodluck bro if you make it can you have something on your clothes, face or whatever so we can know ifs you?
Good luck dude, that sounds like it would be fun
"Most played game..." "374.1 hours" *laughs in 1k+*
Thats insane. I commend you!
@@Comporio I'm like yourself in that I love New Vegas, it's literally my favourite game every made, but I don't really like talking about it because so many NV fans are so whiney and annoying. I do think it's one of the best of the series, but Fallout 1 might actually be my favourite and I bounce between the two so often. Swag ass video btw
@@Virgil-280 Thanks my man appreciate it and I definitely get you. Its now become the norm to say New Vegas is the best and all others suck. But I might actually like Fallout 4 just as much in my opinion. Its story, writing is much weaker obviously but I might actually enjoy it more, specifically in terms of gameplay.
@@Comporio I actually really enjoyed Fallout 4. I was 14 when it came out and I literally got dumped a few months before because I wouldn't stop talking about it lol, but I loved it. And then as time went on I enjoyed it less and less, but more so because I wasn't into the characters of the story all that much but the side stuff and the gameplay I really liked. Still think my ideal Fallout game would be the world of 3, gameplay of 4 with the characters and writing of 2 and New Vegas
@@Virgil-280 Couldn’t have said it better myself my man. Thats the ideal Fallout game in my eyes.
Holy shit, you were eleven when Fallout 4 was released? Goddamn I’m getting old. You’re really right about the Ghoul being the guy for older Fallout players.
ikr when he said he was 11 for fallout 4 and I'm not even old he must be like 17-18 then.
The nitpick isn't fair because ALL we want are true adaptations of our favorite games. I didn't need a fresh take of "The Witcher," I just wanted what I already like and signed up for.
The Witcher is a hot mess. I hope future video game adaptations are more in line with fallout and less like the Witcher.
Really? Because I enjoyed the last of us adaptation the least near the end, when it was basically a screen-to-screen adaptation of the game. It felt like I had seen it all before, done better, in the game. Adaptations that have more fun with the source material are better in my opinion
@@lukethelegend9705 Nah, not really lol. I mean that is an opinion,. maybe I'm wrong.
Bruh thats maybe what YOU want. Some people care about consistent story and lore.
@@czlifv8865we aren’t here for a retelling of something I can play by myself
The Chinese largely used *STEALTH* submarines and bombers, and contrary to what the game did for goofiness, nukes are NOT that big, unless you drop a "Czar Bomba" which was never a practical weapon just a demonstration device.
The lore from the start of the games is that very few megaton sized "city killers" were used, instead, they used a HUGE amount of smaller nukes Hiroshima sized and larger (25 to 700kilotons) and that makes sense for a lot of reasons:
#1 they lacked advanced computers become transistors/chips didn't cone about until way later than our time line and are vital for miniaturizing and accuracy of such weapon systems, it also makes creation of "MIRV" style warheads with multiple nukes harder or impossible.
#2 kind of related to #1 they lacked advanced rocketry we have, instead it was mostly somewhat simpler like 60s or early 70s tech, or used nuclear propulsion which is a major headache all in itself and not very viable for mass bombardment! (see the "Repconn" rockets in New Vegas and the lunar missile repurposed for an ICBM in Fallout 3's museum of technology).
#3 Fallout's universe created more advanced fission *power* for practical things than we did, while possibly we have better warhead design (later is mentioned somewhere in the games IIRC).
All of that led to massive fallout production because the enormous number of bombs were mostly "ground burst" as the TV correctly shows, to cause more physical damage and crucially destroy hard military targets and produce enormous fallout that kills off the enemy *civilization*. "Big nukes" are inefficient, same principle as "cluster bombs" where lots of "small" is better, where as "a few big" is mostly a waste as the energy goes mostly upwards into space or overkill (anything beyond flattening an area is pointless).
And no you wouldn't see a bomb drop unless you were in the "you are fried" zone, lol.
You can see the re-entry vehicle of long range missiles as they make huge arcing trails as they are so hot, very spectacular when a "MIRV" comes down with 5 or more warheads (RL test footage shows that).
In "Lonesome Road" it states that the West coast was largely hit by total surprise due to the Chinese stealth tech and also, the US leaders being idiots...or possibly...letting it happen
The "Enclave" just like our real life "overlords" are greedy elitist psychopaths etc, and that leads to stupid decision making, as they are driven by irrational, scheming, and deeply cowardly crap.
They don't' really understand things because they chose not to empathize ("evil") or can't empathize (sociopathy)
They push our cautious, rational, empathic people who would get int heir way, and surrounded themselves with "Yes Men" and scumbags like themselves. Ergo...stupid decisions are made based on greed, ego, jealousy etc
One example is the turret in the TV show and in Fallout 2, iirc, in #2 if you sneak up on some Enclave soldiers guarding a base, they are bitching about having to be on guard duty while the base has many turrets, and his comrade tells him the turrets suck as the Enclave skimped out and bought cheap targeting systems, ie MK1 turrets which are crappy, lol
I love how how world and fallout is largely the same, our world just developed the microchip
@@CSorgini Well the transistor and microchip were developed in Fallout, just not until much later than our world, around 2023 for transistors and 2050 for microchips :)
@@silverbladeTE This turrent explanation isnt very great.
Thinking they should reveal the cold fusion at the beginning misses the entire point. A story's overall arc doesn't really matter most of the time. Most plots are generic. The thing that matters is characters. Lucy and Max are stories about blindly following/seeing the real world. They basically have a coming of age story with them. Cold Fusion adds nothing to that. It takes away from it.
Couldn’t agree more, it’s a character driven story! Each of the characters serve as a different way to view the wasteland, and they all experience growth during their journey. Not to mention the fact that they serve as an analogue for player character builds.
@@Pureblasphemy101 exactly!
@@Pureblasphemy101 imagine if the Last of Us show had told you the twist of finding the cure at the start. It's the characters that matter not the overall plot. The Last of Us has pretty generic zombie story overarching plot. It's the characters, their experiences, and their relationships that matter
I agree. But these characters are not great. They're incredibly inconsistent. Act in stupid ways because 'plot', and that goes not only for the main characters, but the side characters too. Nobody acts like a real person. They're incredibly inconsistent with their capabilities and interests, often for cheap gags or easy entertainment. They just feel like quirky, but inevitably generic characters. The stories of Max and Lucy *sucks* AND the constant attempts at humour and references are too numerous and disrupt the story too much.
Everything regarding the brotherhood was kind of unsatisfying and lacking punch. This lack of onscreen presence was 100% not helped by the awful decision to make Titus a coward who dies almost immediately in a scene for comedic relief. Imagine if Starwars started building up Darth Vader only to have him die in a Looney Tunes moment, whimpering for his life before stupidly insulting someone who then kills him. It wouldn't just hurt his character, but the Sith as a whole.
The Enclave was never touched on and the Doctor died too soon for no real reason. Could have been a significantly more interesting character and most expected better than infinite power from the MFing Enclave. I can go on and on. "Evil scientist from the worst faction makes mysterious device everyone is fighting over and...it's just a power source."
Cooper Howard was a significantly better character which the story would have been far better off being centered around even as an anti-hero. His biggest flaw is his lack of screentime and over reliance on flashbacks to tell his story rather than develop it with character interactions in the present. The best part of the show was Norm and everything happening within the vaults. That had better tension, mystery, and better buildup in comparison to every other storyline. But that failed in its conclusion. It was unsatisfying as it was mostly intended to contribute to Lucy's place in the plot than act as a satisfying conclusion to its own mini-arc.
It feels like it was too focused on "subverting expectations" that it completely failed to meet them.
@@pagatryx5451 Cooper had an entire episode essentially dedicated to.his character. And it might not have met expectations for you, but for most of us it met all expectations and some. It's pretty universally praised except by a small minority. You might not have liked it, but it was a great show. Liking something and it being good are different things. I like Teansformers and it is complete trash. I have a friend that did not like Inside Out at all but acknowledges it is a great film, but he personally just didn't like it. I know a lot of people that don't even touch video games that considering it now because they liked the show so much
Fallout 4 carries the "Sin" of canonizing an ending where Dr. Li is alive, FEV wasn't released, Lyons fell out of power, and the Brotherhood won. I don't see how having a show canonizing an ending is wrong. We were not going to see New Vegas again regardless, so picking a heading and carrying on makes sense.
Perhaps but it's just as easy to say it doesn't matter because XXX event happened. Such as the bombing of Shady Sands.
Leaving Dr Li alive is DEFINITELY a sin
Heck, this show already canonizes endings for Fallout 4, because the Commonwealth Brotherhood is mentioned and the Prydwin isn’t blown up. So it’s either the brotherhood ending or a specific Minutemen ending.
@@josiadorthestrong1031 There's no way that stupid thing ever got out of Bahstan. It exists to explode like the loot pinata it is. @captironsight The problem is the brotherhood is probably the most boring thing in Fallout. Stealing a suit of power armor from someone is so much more fallout then getting it as some kind of quest reward for killing 15 synths in a 5 minute bethesda dungeon.
I don't think canonising an ending is inherently bad, if you can leave a decent amount of ambiguity to let the player imagine their choices were the ones going forward then that's great, but ultimately if you want to tell a story that follows on from the previous one you'll have to touch on some plot points that the player had some amount of choice in. New Vegas does create the issue of having 4 fairly well fleshed out endings covering how each of the major factions could alter the wasteland, so outside of a Daggerfall style Warp in the West that has time break to let all the endings somehow be canon at the same time (I love when Bethesda can get weird with their world building) they will have to pick one and run with it. The only other alternative is to destroy New Vegas so utterly that whatever the player chose doesn't matter since it's all destroyed anyway, but that goes from annoying most people by ignoring 3/4 endings, to annoying everyone, but ignoring them all.
Who else was 23 when fallout 4 came out? This guy was 11. Wild.
It is wild to think about. I was 23 as well
I was the age he is now. 20.
Nope, sorry. I was the "Most Perfect Number" , ever = 42 LOL🤣
I was 4
@TheSirStrazzen why tf are you using those emonjis
Except fo1&2 we’re canonized, so was 3. Canonizing an ending isn’t bad, it’s the natural progression of the series. New Vegas was going to need to be canonized if we ever got a return to the west coast. Just because an ending is canon doesn’t mean your choices didn’t matter, it has nothing to do with enjoying the game at all. I personally believe none of the endings to new Vegas will be canon, I think they’re gonna go their own path, and that’s perfectly okay as long as they execute it well
16:38 to nitpick your nitpick, you wouldn't see a nuclear missile approaching. ICBMs travel 15,000 mph, all you would see is the flash of the explosion and not the missile coming.
When the warhead separated from the missile, is falling, which is how it works by the way. It will detonate thousands of feet up in the air, at close to terminal velocity. So yes, you don’t see an incoming warhead from a ballistic missile, but it’s more a fact that it’s detonating at such a distance where the warhead would be a tiny speck in your perspective, after entering the atmosphere, it would slow down drastically from the air resistance.
And the original "fat-boy" not even hit the ground, it explodes 300 meters above it, if i did'nt mistake me...
@@TESplayer8811Correct
I disagree with the point that we need to know what the chip is for. The characters have their own reasons to find the chip. The ghoul needs money for his medicine. Lucy needs it to find her dad and maximus needs it so he can go back to the brotherhood. What the chip actually does in the end doesn’t really matter to the characters
0:24 Fallout show if it was released in 2007
WHAT IVEEE DONEEEEE I FACED MYSELFF
I'm still waiting for Super Mutants
Me too!
I want the super mutants from the classics and new vegas back, i’m so sick of the east coast ones i want them to switch it up a lil bit
It's interesting that they were left out. I'm assuming it was a pacing decision so they'd have some fan service to put into later seasons.
Season 2 most likely. Remember in NV super mutants were forced east of the Mojave.
The Enclave did tease a super mutant and there is also one on the Wanted board
@@ytmldthe super mutant in the Wanted board might be an intelligent mutant
fallout 1 2 and 3 have canon endings
The show can't exist in the same univers as the classics! Shady Sands is not in Los Angeles but up north in Death Valley. Vault 33/32/31 and 4(Boneyard Vaults) are right in the open anyone can see the entrance yet they are not breached by the Super Mutant Army, The Cathedral is right in the middle of the Boneyard where the Children of the Cathedral , the Unity, the Mutant Army and THE fu**ing MASTER is residing, its IMPOSIBLE they never found the Vaults that close to them with the doors right in the open!
The Master is long dead by the time the of the show, but yeah, either he or The Enclave would have easily found the show's vaults.
Don't think about it, just consume product and be excited for the next product
@@mysampleid We literally are thinking about it, and we like the show. I just don't get you complainers!
@@mysampleid But I want to think and want good consistent sories, the Bethesda cult members hate me for it.
@@ncrranger2281 you see fallout was always goofy and wacky so every inconsistency and characters stupidity is totally justified
Fallout 4 The faction ending affects the post game.
IF YOU DO YOUR OWN EDITING, YOU DESERVE A RAISE. YOU'RE DOING SOME REALLY HARD WORK WITH THIS.
You know that everyone is going to be watching this because, fallout, but you really out fallout the fallout fans for this one. I got to say, top class. I know this, because Tyler knows this.
Except for 19:15 the reason they were set up for power was because Shady Sands. NCR was powered by a vault and it's cold fusion core, and everything else they developed after it for like the past ... 50-100 years.... including simple filament light bulbs they could make better in the Wild West times of the 1800s. It's not actually that advanced of a technology, especially if you can take the old bulbs and just replace the glass. Glass itself is the most advanced part of the tech.
Thanks mate! Yes I do all of this myself so thanks for the compliment.
They may have rebuilt shady sands prior, but it was still nuked again even after the 200 years, also the man power and time it would take to even go ahead and replace the wiring and the lightbulbs in every single one of thos buildings is just too large of a feat it took me out instantly.
They made the choice for you about 4 too, since Prydwen is still flying.
It's probably a different Prydwyn
The canon ending for Fallout 4 could still be the Minutemen ending, as it doesn’t require you to destroy the Brotherhood of Steel to complete it.
@@BlackJackeda different Prydwyn? It literally says Prydwyn on the side. Also, the Prydwyn was built from the remains of the Enclave crawler from F3; of which , there was only one. Bethesda and the showrunners are just lazy asf
18:08 Wtf was that image
To keep you asking why
I've always thought New Vegas had a cannon ending the same as every other game. We just never went back to that region so we never got to learn which ending it was, from the perspective the show changed nothing we just finally get an answer. It's also kind of implied by Bethesda typically cannonizing the morally best ending that it was most like the house or NCR endings that were cannon, as the player character never plays a big role after their own game, outside of the vault dweller founding Arroyo.
It was, then EMIL, Hodd's right hand.... man said "only games and TV show are canon".... then later titles tried to retcon many plot points and eventually defaced New Vegas' canon choice that the NCR suddenly got vaporized and the Legion.... where were they?
I mean, I kind of disagree with you that they should all need to know what they are fighting for, because they do know what they are fighting for, the head means something for each of them. For Lucy she’s fighting to get her dad back, Maximus is fighting for a place in the brotherhood, and the Ghoul is fighting for money.
I want to clarify on this a bit and I will use your comment to do so. The best example of this in the games is the Platinum Chip in New Vegas. It has its mystery, but strictly using the main quest as its linear narrative it is the midpoint of the story that reveals what the platinum chip is actually for. NOT at the climax at the end. I just want to clarify that with the head, the climax that its actually an energy device that can power a city which miraculously has all of its electronics and lightbulbs still intact for hundreds of empty buildings is just insane to me and it felt like it Jumped the Shark.
The ghoul's in it to find his family, not just money
@@Gaspar27r well yes but that doesn’t come in until later, and he doesn’t initially know there’s any connection to his past beyond California
@@lazydroidproductions1087 i think he figured out when Honcho (the guy rhat took him out of the coffin) talked about Moldaver that she'd be his best bet
@@lazydroidproductions1087 The ghoul is in it for the money, to stay sane, so that he can find his family.
This was a great watch, you for sure deserve way more subs man. Hoping you blow up soon!
Thank you sir!
Im guessing the doctor was a loose reference to doctor henry at jacobstown, the enclave remnant doctor who also specialized in canine and human brains
@13:06 as someone who's favourite fallout game is new Vegas and doesn't really interact with the general fallout community that's exactly how i feel lol. great video man.
edit: i didn't see the end credits, well maybe a mister house ending and he is still alive somewhere in there and thats why he's going there we'll see
is that qui-gon jin's voice, at 3:42?
Yes Liam Neeson voices the dad in fallout 3
I'd say the ghoul is more like a 13 year olds oc than an experienced player. He's op like he's using console commands to toggle god mode and responds to every interaction with the "sarcastic" choice. An experienced player doesn't always go gun blazing as they know there are alternative routes.
Do you have 200 years time logged? Goofy.
i agree. Experienced players role play more often. That's what I do
Yeah, bro is literally using VATS (which allows us to see in slow motion that the showrunners did absolutely ZERO research on how his weapon show work).
There's nothing in the show for fans of the OG Fallouts.
@@LecherousLizardhe doesn’t have a pip boy bro. It’s almost like 200 years of bounty hunting in the wasteland would give you really good gun skills
@@lukethelegend9705 It's almost like VATS doesn't actually exist in-lore. It's a goddamn gameplay-only feature, yet here we are anyway.
I wrote more believable and balanced OCs when I was 12.
Does everyone forget The Expanse is also an Amazon show? That show is awesome
Not amazon created. It was a network tv show that bezos liked so much he bought the show after it was being canceled on TV. Just continued it on Amazon after that. So Amazon studios gets no credit in creating the show.
It's not. The Expanse is a Syfy show.
@@LecherousLizarddo you mean sci fi
@@AHHHHHHHH21 I always mean what I say.
"SyFy" is a TV channel.
Stargate Atlantis and FarScape, for example, had all of their episodes first broadcasted on SyFy (which may or may not have been also called "Sci-Fi Channel" at the time).
@@AHHHHHHHH21 Syfy is a tv channel, it's probably where the show originally aired
I think they should have had a dancing box in the show just spinning and bouncing in the show. But, no one pays it any mind at all because it has been in all 3d fallouts.
Love how you used game footage here, especially the sides scrolling transitions.
Good video! I wanna point out some inaccuracies:
8:53 It is actually the rest of the season, yes. Maximus' arc doesn't end when he gets the armor back from the raiders, it goes through highs and lows as he comes to terms with the fact that the BoS isn't really a healthy presence for the wasteland in the way they act. Lucy convinces him to give back the fusion core to the vault, and in the same episode he chooses to reveal that he's not a knight, he's been playing pretend while wearing big boy pants that weren't his. There is a lot of depth in Maximus' character that runs all the way to the very final 10 minutes of the season, when he finally gets his wish of becoming a knight, but at a cost he didn't foresee: his integrity, his changed belief system that the BoS is actually not the idealized big family he thought it was, and it's a great culmination of his arc in a moment of truly bittersweet achievement.
11:20 A lot of reviewers get this wrong for some reason, and it's kinda pissing me off at this point. The ruins of Los Angeles below the Griffith Observatory have been in stable and protected NCR territory for, what, almost 100 years now? You don't think they lived in the buildings and skyscrapers of the city? You think they'd let the entire city's electrical infrastructure untouched since the war that happened 2 centuries ago? I'll admit there's no confirmation but this is the NCR we're talking about, a well-written West Coast faction, not one of those East Coast shoddy settlements that leave skeletons rotting in their living room couch for 200 years because it's environmental storytelling. You really don't think Moldaver knew where in NCR territory to activate the cold fusion device, after decades of study and planning?
12:00 You really think the secretive, shadow organization that has lost its leadership and most of its resources at the oil rig during Fallout 2 would wanna send out soldiers and scouts in search for a rogue scientist, making themselves visible and traceable to factions with some real firepower, like the BoS and the NCR? I don't think the Enclave base we see in the show is established at all, no one is in power armor, they have foot soldiers and turrets, but we don't really see any real power they hold other than their experiments. If they had the resources to catch their fleeing members, they'd have resources to establish a real presence in the wasteland again, which they clearly don't feel comfortable doing, seeing as how trigger-happy the BoS chapter of the area is when it comes to factions waving flags from high places.
Your idea of excluding the Enclave entirely and instead fleshing out the science department of the BoS is a really good idea though, I think I'd have preferred that too
15:54
Wow what a good video man. You really paralleled the games and show so well it’s crazy. Great job!
The show mirrors Bethesda perfectly. Really nice world design and asthetic but mediocre dialogue and storywriting.
It's like a hollowed out papermache version of the setting people fell in love with through Fallout 1-Fallout: NV. It *looks* like fallout; They spared no expense in making sure it delivered on visuals, but beyond that, the show's a shallow representation of the game's deeper story & complex factions & societies. It just wants to market the idea to you, it doesn't actually want to commit to telling you a story in the setting.
You're bang on. Bethesda seem to pretend their games are set a couple months after the bombs dropped.
"Really nice world design" You mean complete retcon what Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas built!
@@ncrranger2281 I think they meant more literally. Like, as in, the world itself looks nice.
How did the do any of that?@@ncrranger2281
Comporio's weird australian accent makes me believe everything he says
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0:09 never have I ever heard of something called the "spice rice"...
11:25 not to be that guy, but the lightbulbs literally would have been replaced since the LA region was sort of like the heartland of the NCR before it’s collapse
when u started to explain lucy character and the skyrim music started, gave me a lot nostalgia, awesome editing and storytelling by the way.
16:51 If they were buried, the explosion would be completely different. Part of the effectiveness of atom bombs was that they detonate well *above* the ground. Oppenheimer indicated that the optimum height for detonation is 1,910 feet (580m) above the target. For example, Little Boy detonated at 1,968 feet above Hiroshima.
Well, in the fallout universe they actually were specifically ground-burst nukes, so you would get a crater, because the idea is ground a burst nuke which releases a lot more fallout and then everybody on the enemy side dies from it and you have won
This is my first time watching your channel, and i gotta say that i love your humor and editing.
As Creetosis stated in his videos, the forced overuse of Oldies songs every 5 seconds ROYALLY sabotaged any tone which would have gave tension to a scene.
“Get that jelly mold out of here!”
lmao you watch creetosis, your opinion is automatically void no one cares
@@rari69k27 L take
Fun fact, the ship at 6:20 is real. It’s the Eduard Bohlen in Namibia.
The lads on Grand Tour go visit it
Which episode
Do you think the tunnelers we be in season 2 or Ulysses and joshua the legion or the sierra madre
Puta Madre's owner (Frederick Sinclair) was representing Big MT in the show for whatever reason (he was Big MT's client, not owner)
bro I've never heard anyone call it that but damn if it isn't the truth lol. dead money is my favorite DLC but still puta madre.
I fine with them picking an ending for New Vegas, the whole point of the games was that everyone was doomed no matter what faction ya choose. The ending slides of the story and The Lonesome Road confirm it.
Huh, I guess you're right. You're just choosing what flags are flying over the decay.
"I know this, because Tyler knows this" caught me off guard and made me laugh super hard lol
I refuse to believe people born after 2001 actually exist
fallout 1, 2, and 3 all have canon endings so idk why people care
@@spookubus??
To theorize what I think happened to New Vegas that would still allow every ending to be canon, I think back to something Ulysses talked to the Courier about:
“Death will come from below. The Mojave will be easy prey for the Tunnelers.”
Since we see both broken securitrons and decaying deathclaw corpses, it’s safe to assume the Tunnelers could have burrowed up from beneath Vegas, bringing the Divide to the Shining Pearl of the wastes.
Never even thought about a Paul Verhoeven Fallout project, now that is the perfect man for the job.
Bro the fact that LA didn’t erupt like a flare from a shit ton of electrical problems was wild as crunk. Also the ghoul juice was a major league buzz kill because I thought that was jet, which is funny as hell.
0:31 “nuke-yoo-lar” isn’t a word.
“Nuke-lee-ar” is a word tho
All words are made up
halo fan is malding still that his show sucks absolute dick
16:40 Waaaiiit a second, i think you stumbled onto something here. Regarding how much effort they put in the visuals even in that scene, forgetting the missiles by accident seems highly unlikely. The corporations discuss that they will have to make sure the bombs fall and the war escalates, so they whipe out all possible competitors on the long run. Yes, a lot of bombs fell from the sky, but they had to make sure to destroy everything and air defense fails. So yes, indications are shown that they simply ingited some nukes on the ground to finnish everything off.
They didn't show the nukes because they wanted the shocking part to be the multiple explosions. The scene would not be as effective otherwise.
@@ImCptnAwesome
One of the most impactful and chilling scenes in Terminator 3, an otherwise underwhelming movie, is seeing the nuclear launches and detonations. It was one of the few parts of the movie that was praised, rightfully so.
I've never seen anyone look at realistically portrayals of incoming nuclear MIRVs and not have chills at it. No, if anything, it would *_reinforce_* the scene by showing that futility of it and realizing that you're doomed. There's no escape, there's no "maybe a nuke won't hit," it's like seeing the inevitable approach and knowing there's no escape, no hope, nothing but looking at your own end in horror without being able to do anything. That is much more moving, impactful and visual than what was done with just... "boom, random nuke."
@@matchesburn I prefer the Fallout scene as it was. I was expecting one explosion, but I got many, and that allowed me to be surprised. If I see a bunch of bombs coming though, the surprise is gone.
I think the NV endings won't matter, as it will follow what happens after the Divide. Tunnelers and such.
New Vegas didn't matter, as the show stated "somehow, the NCR got nuked" and not the Legion.
The ghoul was the main character. Lucy was the secondary character. The "Knight" was a plot element they mascaraed as a character.
'Mascaraed'
Y'all don't even try anymore do you?
Fr, LA having intact above-ground vaults and moving Shady Sands and seemingly retconing it together with the Boneyard are the just two things that made my tisim rage. The memberberries were neat, but a good show they do not make.
I think most people who can't stop talking about how much they hate the show should remember Todd and Emil never cared about "canon" in the first place. They only even understand that word as far as it describes a type of media they consider of a "higher form" than others. They think it sounds cool. It's PR - it's marketing. Responsibly declaring a piece of media "canon" comes with the implicit promise that you will put in effort to maintain continuity, which I don't believe they're capable of, let alone willing to do. The showrunners screwed up the lore, and Todd Howard ran damage control for them, calling the whole show "canon". I do not let the Fallout TV show ruin my enjoyment of the Fallout IP, and neither should you - at the end of the day, Bethesda will retcon the TV show in a few years. I don't put stock in what is and isn't "canon" in the Fallout universe, and neither should you - the legal owners of the IP don't care, so why should you? What will your internet whining achieve except you having an angry life? You still have a certain power over the IP as a consumer: only play the good Fallout games. Don't let the worse ones get you down! Damn, I am high af rn
I don't consider anything Bethesda made as "canon" anyway.
@@LecherousLizardso you’re saying that New Vegas doesn’t exist?
@@justnoob8141 I said exactly what I said, the fact you don't know who made New Vegas is of no concern of mine.
That said, you may want to remove your comment to not look like an idiot.
@@LecherousLizard Bethesda still oversaw NV's development. You can't pick and choose what's canon like an annoying child
@@BlackJacked Man, educate yourself.
Both Bethesda and Obsidian devs have stated in multiple interviews that Bethesda's involvement with New Vegas was limited to providing the game engine and dev tools. Anything beyond that was limited to Obsidian reaching out to Bethesda for technical support.
In short, Obsidian did whatever they wanted with the game.
And yes, I can pick myself what's canon, especially since what I'm throwing away goes against what was before.
This video was very good, and I agree with the points. I think the fallout show was good, even though I also agree that some parts of the plot are lost, however I still think its good. I like how this series is a continuation of the fallout series. Im looking forward to seeing how they encorporate new vegas and whether they will assume a previous plot in new vegas or not.
Finally somebody sane here. Most of this comment section is full of people doing full 180s on the show, wanting to decononize it as if it's a bad show. I agree it has its faults, but calling it a 6/10 is stupendous. More like a 7-8/10.
I think the show established what the characters were fighting for in a pretty creative way. Rather than spending multiple scenes telling us about the infinite power source, which wouldn’t matter for any of the main characters as none of them have a means to use it, the story tells us why the characters are fighting to secure the head. Lucy needs to get the head to Moldaver to save her father. Cooper is trying to find Moldaver and Hank to get information about his family. Maximus is trying to save himself from the brotherhood and possibly secure his spot as a Knight. I think the ending reveals did a great job setting up future seasons and keeping the Cold Fusion a secret allowed the season to focus on developing the characters and their motivations rather than making it all about the MacGuffin. Anyways great video.
I liked it, I just wished the lore changes weren’t so extreme for a non-mainline product
I don’t think you understand what the plot actually is. Calling the vault a side story, is wrong. The plot IS vault-tec. Her looking for her father is her goal, but the plot is all about vault-tec. So her brother discovering the secrets, Lucy discovering the horrors of vault 4, and her father being vault tec, etc. that’s the plot. It’s all the same plot. They’re all just learning different ways, and different portions of it. But it’s all one story. But season 1 was basically just setting the stage. Introducing the characters and the direction. And I thought it did great. Took me a few tries to actually get into it though, but once I did I binged it and want more. Also, I hate Maximus. He’s dumb, and annoying. And the actor overacts too much. He thinks he’s Denzel or something. I think norm is fantastic, and has a ton of potential. Lucy is charming, as intended. The ghoul is fantastic. And has the most depth of any character. But I love that they’re telling a new story, and not retelling one we’ve already “lived through”.
I still wish they had Hugh Laurie as Robert House 💀
Me too my man me too…
They destroyed my home, the divide, new vegas... bear bull bear bull ~Ulysses
If the Mojave is in ruins... Maybe Ulysses called it? That the Tunnelers would leave the Divide, and attack the Mojave?
Norm was my fav character as a person who's never engaged in any fallout media. Seeing him slowly discover the secret of the vaults whilst also being a nihilistic, deadpan underling was actually super fun lol.
1:11 This might be me just coping, but I believe that dev was making a late April fools joke.
15 day late april fools joke, is the best type of april fools joke
@@Comporio Well maybe the Sole Survivor changed as a person canonically
@@jodo4661 The war crime would also explain how he is so good at killing raiders as well.
No worries! They immediately retconned that bit of “lore” about 15 hours after it was posted! But people seem to forget that part
@@jodo4661dude stop
340 hours is his most played game of all time? rookie numbers
Well the more I think about it, the NCR and House endings make the most sense because the NCR military and economy was declining and spread thin. If they succeeded in the Mojave it would strain their resources even more, and if it was the House Ending, the NCR would still be on the decline economically, the military would be demoralized. The worst thing that could happen for the NCR was if Kimball lived because Kimball was a complete pariah already, so his assassination would’ve turned him into a martyr and reinvigorated the NCR’s resolve. Considering Todd stated the NCR is still kicking cause he had to explain that since folks who are “Ultra NCR fans” somehow forget that Shady Sands was one city with a relatively small fraction of the entire population of the NCR being nearly, at, or over a million citizens and soldiers. No folks, the NCR didn’t get deleted, they are just spread thin because of the expansions they were doing, something the lore established in New Vegas, had really messed up their economy and military might. Todd has also stated that they took things from each New Vegas ending, but they are not choosing a specific one. Considering that this takes place 15 years after New Vegas, it has been 15 years since the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, meaning anything could’ve happened between the end of the game and this time in the story.
I will say as both a fan who started with F:NV (being my favorite), I enjoyed the show and love it. I don’t fault folks for disliking it, cause it does have its faults. But when folks try to use specific opinions they hold to try and ruin the experience for others, I think their opinions are moot and should be ignored like Star Wars Theory, Geeks + Gamers, Doomcock and the rest of those grifting clowns. The show led to my fiancé picking up New Vegas (as in I of course being the loving man I am, bought it for her when she wanted a fallout game), and it allowed my parents to connect with me a bit more about a game and its story/universe I enjoyed growing up on as a kid.
I was with you up until you mentioned Todd.
1. Yes, Shady Sands may have been a small town... IN THE GAMES. The show moves it into the middle of Boneyard which is one of, if not the biggest city in NCR.
2. NCR would NOT allow a huge Enclave facility exist in a spitting distance of the Boneyard, even when stretched thin.
3. The entire NCR in the show is like a few hundred people at best and they behave like raiders. It's like the entire faction was nuked, not just a single small town.
4. The Second Battle of Hoover Dam happened 14 years (not 15) prior to the show's start, but according to the show... SHADY SANDS WAS NUKED 4 YEARS BEFORE NEW VEGAS EVEN STARTED.
@@LecherousLizard False Shady Sands was not nuked 4 years before New Vegas, that was confirmed by Todd and also simple math when you factor in Maximus was about 6 years old when it happened, and his age doesn’t match the whole “fOuR yEaRs BeFoRe” argument which Bethesda and the producers have clarified on already, if you ignore that its willfully ignorant at best, flat out disingenuous at worse. Shady Sands began an economic and societal collapse, which would culminate into the nuking of it, which the economic and societal collapse is reflected in the lore within in New Vegas as they even imply it is no longer the capitol, further proven by the sign in show calling it: The first capitol of the NCR. They have also stated the NCR is not done yet as a faction and will play a MAJOR role in the upcoming season. The NCR however had become morally bankrupt after Tandi’s death, as represented by statements made by characters such as Cass, Boone, Mr. House, and Chief Hanlon. If you pay attention to the actual dialogue and read terminal entries and notes instead of skipping past them, maybe you’d get a clearer picture, Instead of writing off my entire statement. Also the map people have been using is also from a game which map was declared as canonically shifty at best. There is a fantastic video breaking this down about how wrong most of these critics are and it shows how little they actually pay attention to lore.
As of the mention of the NCR not allowing a huge Enclave facility, their military was spread thin, and they wouldn’t have been able to really deal with it, especially since now they have to mobilize their forces and recall all of them to defend the other cities. Colonel Moore and Major Knight make this blatantly obvious in multiple dialogue strings when talking about how bad logistics were thanks to morons like General Oliver and Kimball for not understanding how to handle military operations. A MAJOR plot point of New Vegas was to show the gradual decline of the NCR rather than show it at its peak, and folks who miss that, missed the point of New Vegas. Plus, the NCR clearly lost the Mojave, which was guaranteed to happen without the couriers help, and tbh, it would make more sense for the courier to just go and finish their job, get their revenge, and head their own way rather than help the NCR in their war effort. The House Ending is likely what occurred, though they probably pulled a bit from all endings.
@@LecherousLizardthat last part you brought up has been debunked many, many times
@@AHHHHHHHH21 Pray tell when and how has it been debunked?
If you mean that it's inconclusive, because the timeline shown in the show doesn't have a date next to the image of a nuclear explosion, then I'm sorry, but that's not debunking, that's hard coping, because why wouldn't you put a date next to the most important city on the West side of North America TURNING INTO A CRATER?
No, Shady Sands was nuked in 2277 and New Vegas begins in 2281.
You can either accept that the show retcons New Vegas and thus doesn't give two shits about the established story/lore or admit the show is crap, because they couldn't even get something as basic as that right.
There's no third choice.
@@LecherousLizard 2277 was the start of the decline of shady sands that led to the nuke. Those things don't happen instantly. Also, you only gave me one option and said there was no third option. Kinda strange if you ask me. Sure you might not like the direction fallout it going, but according to the player counts, millions disagree with you. You can go and call them normies and gatekeep for whatever reason if you want but I would really advise you to stop going on no mutants allowed.
All games end up canonizing something from the ones coming before them, its not a dumb choice to canonize a some part or another from New Vegas, Its just normal progression
I think my main beef with the fallout show is it's just retreads of previous Bethseda games. "I lost my family, I need to find my family, but my family is actually evil" Same story beat as Fallout 3 and 4. Drives me nuts.
Which was copied somewhat from the first game about fixing a water purifier. Bethesda literally stole it from Obsidian and kept rehashing it for every title they sharted out. You know what, I hope Fallout 5 will be some schmuck Vaulter trying to find his future ex-wife.
This was a very good video, I agree with your points. I think that the series is good, and has elements that may be stupid in the plot, but overall it was enjoyable. Im looking forward to how they incorporate New Vegas and if they will cannonise a polt or not.
On a completely different note, i hate it when a documentary or video like this takes a picture and puts a bar over a random persons eyes.
It’s a dumbass design choice for sure
Fallout show is what happens when you're given a bethesda title. You forget everything the show's main story (quest) is about because it sucks so and run off doing whatever. The show is full of "Oh wow cram! Oh the hacking minigame! He mentioned the water chip pog!" But the actual already established Fallout Lore is all over the place. If you're a zoomie you probably don't care or haven't played it but lets look at some things.
Why ghouls need drugs not to go feral? They don't even need radaway even if it was. Straight up a guy in Necropolis (Winthrop) who's a ghoul studies ghouls says radaway is worthless. Ghouls go insane because of too much constant exposure to rads. Their DNA is damaged. Also who the fukk is making this stuff? The BOS? NCR? The Enclave? They all hate mutants lmao.
The Enclave are back because of course they are and for some reason they're into cold fusion and this is the plot point. Uh you guys already have this with the GECK through vault tec. The Government, enclave, vault tec... what the fukk is this?
Every Protag from Bestheda comes from a vault. Zzzz. Fallout 1 you where a vault bro. Fallout 2 you were a Unga Bunga. Fallout NV you were a courier on the surface. Creatively bankrupt. Bethseda doesn't seem to understand the scale of the fallout world either and the surface never changes beyond a few metal shacks here and there. Everything still looks like it's been nuked 10 years ago. (This was mentioned near the end of the video.) The phrase "War never changes" is everywhere because humans blah blah but the world the war is fought in does. (Or should but not the case I guess. NV had to use old assets and didn't have time to create new ones.)
Shady Sands lmao.
A guy in power armor losing to a literal bear. How? Just because it's called a "Yao guai" It's a bear on rads which is still a regular bear. You could put on a suit of plate armor from the 1400's and you should be able to chase it off. Power armor can deflect small arms fire to the point some claws and teeth shouldn't be an issue. If it were a deathclaw that'd make more believable as they're bio engineered for straight up killing.
Why are the vaults so easy to find? Why did they move the boneyards and such? Why did the master not find these vaults when 4 is broadcasting it's location and lucy and them and just walk in? A bunch of dumb raiders could do it and raiders are dumb. That whole raider thing was also dumb.
NCR lol. Did the largest force in the west just roach out? What happened. (Also what is this blood cult stuff in shady sands? weird but whatever.)
The BoS must be some sort of raider faction larping as the BOS. They don't even know how to use the fukking flashlights on their armor. Also where are their lasers? All they seem to have is power armor that falls apart in 2 seconds and don't know how to use. (How would they not find the "flaws"? How did major operations like anchorage happen with this?) They spend more time backstabbing and being cowards than anything. Brotherhood of Steel? More like Bumbledumbs of Stupid.
And the worst offender of them all? The lack of anyone saying RED CHINESE COMMUNISTS. We all know why, censorship. Absolute Ball-less communist behavior. There also wasn't a single liberty prime reference the one thing almost everyone would remember. They say "the reds" but what if you've never "Falled out" once? Who are the reds? The Soviets? The British? Time Traveling Marked Men?
I don't even care about the vault tec stuff unless they straight up say "Yeah they did it they did the nukes it wasn't the chinese it was us VAULT TEC! We're going to be so rich lmao. We're going to control america and the world" New flash idiot prewar money (or any money on a scale disaster like this) is worthless and rich people already control the world now. You need to establish a world but who cares everyone lives in shacks still and day to day is all survival.
I just pretend it's a funny whacky wasteland adventure where I've taken the Wild Wasteland perk 10 times in a row. It's insane.
It might be that the audience's first expose to the Fallout franchise was through memes and funny UA-camrs, which isn't a bad thing but it is when they just view the series as a comedy along with not caring about it's beginings
@@gamaactive8278 Yeah I have a feeling this is both for the more casual / fallout 4 /76 and the "TV" crowd. I'm tired of "long time fans" defending it as canon when it's clear there's issues.
The dumb dialogue I don't even mind I just assume it's a speech check failure. I think if this show took place somewhere else in the world instead of already established west coast 90% of these issues could be thrown out.
@@XzMondayNightzX You're probably right on the audience part, though another part to add is that "fans" got too complacent on accepting constant plot holes because "Bethesda always did that" as an excuse. I guess they never heard that tolerating bad products will lead to terrible results. Either way I'm sure the actual fans will just move to Metro or S.T.A.L.K.E.R. since those two give the vibes of dread and having to focus on surviving in a apocalypse.
As for the dumb dialogue it might be due to the co-creator/ co-showrunner, Geneva Robertson-Dworet, who as far as i know worked on the 2018 Tomb Raider and Captain Marvel.
I'm pretty sure it would've had the same outcome even if it didn't took place in the West Coast given it's still comedy focus, the best they could've done is a cartoon with the Vault Tec animation instead.
«The phrase "War never changes" is everywhere because humans blah blah»
Ulysses says «if war doesn't change, men must change», which is a great summary of Fallout and Bethesda doesn't get it in the slightest
«We all know why, censorship. Absolute Ball-less communist behavior.»
no, they're just morons, New Vegas had a somewhat leftist skew and wasn't afraid to engage with the red scare and ridicule it
@@gamaactive8278 «fans" got too complacent on accepting constant plot holes because "Bethesda always did that" as an excuse»
don't worry, modders will fix the show
Respect for voicing your critique, you don't get to see this much nowadays. I think for being an Amazon show it's really good, like one of the best I've seen from them on same level in production quality as The Boys. I loved the Norm's plot and the Cooper's flashbacks, but Lucy/Ghoul and Maximus/Thaddeus plots were slightly above average at best. Also typical corporate move to insert tranny into the show just for the publicity. It's annoying, but that's the only nitpick I have, everything else is either meh or better.
It's not on the same level as Arcane, but it's MILES ahead of TLOU show or the Warcraft movie. I feel like 7/10 would be more appropriate. It's at the point it won't insult a fan of the series and that's where all of the adaptations should be at.
Yeah I do have to admit, in terms of visual quality it is one of the best TV SHOWS I have seen. particularly when it comes to visual effects and the use of practical effects. 7/10 is what I would give it if I had to give it a numbered score aswell.
I'm so happy that the algorithm recommended you to me, your editing is just perfect. Here, have a sub my guy ❤
Personally I dislike the aesthetics, It went for the Fallout 4 style look which overdid the 1950's and Jetsons crap. Also everyone still living in 200 year old rubble shanty towns 200+ years later is pretty dumb.
I appreciate how you talked about something different other than just complaining that they nuked shady sands for the 16th time like other reviews ive seen from fans
I dont really mind canonizing an ending, theres still different timelines, and the games before pretty much had a cannon or default ending. Everyone wanted a "new vegas 2" If we got a new vegas 2, they'd have to set a canon ending lol, thats how you build apon things and tell an intertwining story
I have always been open to a New Vegas 2, but yes it would be tricky in a sense. I guess they could do something never done before in a game and have you pick which ending you chose in New Vegas to continue a new story based on the ending you chose for the second game. Think of it as basically post game after your New Vegas ending.
That’s a very good point, I was never like “I can’t wait for Lucy to get her Dad back!” I was always like “I can’t wait to see what she runs into outside of the vault and all the horrors, creatures and abominations she’ll inevitably come across!” 😊
I still think the show is a lot better than anything else that's come out recently.. but.. It's almost like they wanted the dr. zimmer here to be a brotherhood scientist then changed it last second in fear of making the brotherhood out to be "too evil" and wanted to inject the enclave ( even though they were literally wiped out on the west coast, then their remnants were wiped out on the east coast ). The thing about New Vegas is that Obsidian (the original makers of Fallout) came back and made it, probably never expecting them to return to the West Coast since Bethesda has an A plot/ B plot going on, with the West/East coast. Bethesda's story is the East Coast (B plot). I am kind of upset where they took both the NCR and the Brotherhood in the show. NCR's remnants had no reason to behave the way they did, even if they wanted to take Lucy's dad. Why would they become raiders, the type of people that gave them a reason to them evolve from Shady Sands to begin with. Why would they ever behave the way they did in the 2 vaults? Then with the BOS, The Brotherhood of the East Coast had some big changes occur in their ideology ( became peacekeepers then rejected that while doubling down on reclaiming tech, still accepting outsiders) throughout the games, and the west coast branch was mostly wiped out, if I remember correctly. The faction members supposed to be bigoted against mutants and isolationist; but they are also stalwart soldiers, indifferent to outsiders, and loyal to the cause. WTF is with every character in their faction during the show being douche-bags, cowards, horribly trained, and straight up annoying to watch/listen to/be around? It seems like the East coast returned to the West coast but then completely atrophied? I feel like season 2 were going to return to Vegas to find The Legion turned into a peace preaching commune. That's a joke, but like.. kind of the same caliber of culture-destruction we saw of the NCR and BOS.
The Brotherhood of Steel have long been my favorite part of Fallout. Seeing them kind of butchered in the show was disappointing. Plus like you said they were pussies, and they were the bad guys. They fly in on vertiberds and gun down innocent unarmed fleeing civilians. They use zero tactics, just run in and get chumped despite having copious amounts of power armor.
What.
They aren’t a religious order- they’re a military order. But Amazon is making them the new stormtroopers.
Totally agree that fallout would be amazing as a Paul verhoeven movie
I’m someone who REALLY enjoyed the show but I can’t really disagree either any of your negative points at all, it’s a great show but it could’ve been better
Cooper Howard was plucked straight out of a movie poster from New Vegas, if you didn't know :) Also, Fallout 4 is incredibly replayable due to the multiple faction choices and ESPECIALLY bc of settlement building and build variety. I know the plot wasn't that great but PLEASE don't compare it to Fallout 3 lol.
This tv series is the definition of "i clapped when i saw it, i know what that is!". Nothing but key jingling
Mcu movies in a nutshell
What do you mean? The main quest tells you what the canon ending is the moment you get it: The House Always Wins
17:45 The NPC learned how to jump. XD
every scene with maximus was actually really annoying i hated how incompetent he was at everything he ever does he’s actually so annoying
My many question about new vegas is who is running new vegas mr house or yes man? is caesers leigon gonna be in it? and if so is caeser dead?
*The bulbs hasn't been fried for 200 years, large parts of the city were rebuild when okie-dokie-girl was a kid remember?
The city was nuked again when she was like 7