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I still laugh that most people who dont know it, didnt took the line "we go back to a please where everything can kill ya!" serious. And that also directly translates to the deaths in hardcore.
The slow lore- and world building is to me the best part. In particular the human zones lvl 1-30 are chock full of small drops of what problems you'll face down the line. The hints at corruption in Stormwind, the undead threat, etc. Epic quests like The legend of Stalvan and The missing diplomat that makes you feel like a small cog in a very big machine. Entering Stormwind for the 1st time and wondering "why is there a cheese shop in the most central part of the city". The fact that you can SEE BLACKROCK MOUNTAIN from the human/dwarf/gnome starting zones! This ominous and at the time unknown pillar in the vast distance that will end up as the epic end game focal point. It's just a masterclass in game design. The slow pace works perfectly.
@@mr.spokesman5849 My 1st ever character was a tauren hunter. But the human zones are just objectively better than doing 50 gathering quests in Barrens. Sorry not sorry.
@@DB-sd3cw Genuine question; is there a similar questing path for the horde side, to the elwynn > westfall > redridge > darkshire route, in terms of writing and lore exposition?
The thing about vanilla is that there's no linear narrative like there is in retail. There are no "campaign" quests. There are quest chains, yes, and but it's not as linear as it is in retail. The good thing about that is that the game feels more organic and natural. The player feels as if they are truly part of the narrative, helping the NPCs to uncover whatever plans the bad guys are up to.
For me vanilla WoW represents adventure. Going on a quest not for the reward of loot, but just for the journey. The star of the show is the world and the fun is in discovering what it has to offer.
The best part is in the very original form there is almost not a single zone not needing revisiting by endgame players. Either because of BGs and PvP vendors, transport hubs, special recipe ingredients, World bosses, solo farming dungeon entrances, companion pet farming, Darkmoon Fair, Seasonal Events, etc.
One thing for me is how organic the world feels. It's like actual places, not well-designed video game levels. What I mean is that sure, you have your densely packed leveling zones like STV, but a lot of them are much less so, might be inconveniently placed beyond harder areas, or might only have very few quests for your side... but still, you CAN do them, like Ratchet, Thousand Needles and and Hillsbrad Foothills as Alliance, and it adds to the worldbuilding, like you are lucky to find a neutral faction in enemy territory, or it's your last holdout. And the quests send you all over the place, not just within the zone itself. Some chains might be surprisingly long, some may just be a one-off, some might have an Elite quest in the middle, it all feels less formulaic, and therefore more real. Even the Cata redesign conveniently has around 50 quests organized into 3-5 main "chapters" everywhere, all self-contained, with a perfect balance between Horde and Alliance content, it's either a full zone worth of content, or no content at all.
Exactly, I find myself playing emulators more than new games. I've been let down so many times by new games/ remasters. Im not even a wow player but ive recently started playing and I truly respect the amount of passion that went into making this game.
And the community pushing for stuff that had no place in an MMO. Go play rails games for quick fun. This is absolutely a commitment some can't and shouldn't attempt. Sucking that out killed the MMO. Hence we all go back to before the min/max and speed run crews came and wrecked it or whored it out for a stream job.
I started in 2005 as a NE Priest and I remember being absolutely stunned by the graphics and the quest lines. Finding out about Stormwind was mind blowing as was how enormous Azeroth really was. 😮 The " Carrot on a Stick" quest showed you how huge WoW really is.
Classic feels so immersive. You have two giant continents you have to navigate between while only using your feet - no flying, ground mount super late into the game. You have no quest helper giving you the exact coordinates, you have to read the text and explore yourself. There is no centralized questing so you get send across the continents for one quest. This all help creating the immersive feeling of a vast world that holds many secrets you have to discover.
I don't miss walking to be honest. you will still meet other players since everyone is forced to use the main roads even with their +100% speed mounts due to danger. another brilliant design choice.
Honestly I was so hyped after classic for TBC classic but soon into launch i realised how much fun classic was..ever since I have been trying to get that feeling back but SOD and Era does not quite feel the same, classic was just simple and perfect. Does anyone else feel this way?
@@herusmonteiromelo3410 I tried SOD, i could not get attached to my character and era, all the phases.content is completed..we just need a fresh classic launch
same man. i played classic 2019 start to finish but 1 week into TBC i called it quits. i respect the people that like TBC but for me its just vanilla, especially on a fresh server.
TBC classic was bad because Activision Blizzard stopped caring about balancing realms population and even more, they tried to squeeze more profits from transfers. They literally left dozens of servers to die.
Agree on all points you made here, and would add two: 1. Class balance/design - every class felt very unique, and fulfilled a particular role in a party. Nowadays every class seem to be able to dps, tank and heal almost. If healer died in classic, you were done. In todays WoW when a healer dies, it doesn't really matter (not unless we are talking mythic). And 2. Itemization - you touched somewhat on this, but back in classic, you almost knew most of the best gear by looks. You would run by some random dude, and think "wow this gear looks insane", you would inspect and check it out. Today, all gear looks insane, has fire, lightning or whatever coming out of it, and transmog ruined the idea of knowing what gear a person was wearing. Todays WoW is much smoother, and doesn't require a lot of the player in terms of getting to play the game (ie. grouping, time it takes to get to zone/through dungeon, etc). But I think, like you said, this was one aspect of the game that made it so immersive.
Having recently discovered there’s a seasons of discovery mode and possibly something along lines of classic plus I’m thinking about another round of wow :)
i didnt play vanilla but i played in classic, most fun ive ever had on a video game by far, i didnt use any addons i just raw dogged it and looked stuff up if i was totally lost.
I've exclusively been playing Classic Era for a year. Tonight, I got my first 3 splinters for my Atiesh! I absolutely love my cluster, my server and the game. Era forever!!
Enchanting white item with eng game vanilla enchants were the original heirloom items. Pair of white boots with speed enchant was the best investment of all time
I was a day 1 player along with my brother. We rolled a shaman and a mage and we tag teamed it from wailing caverns to Black rock spire with no guides, no walk through, no wiki. It really added a sense of depth and mystery to the game
WillE gets it. Agreed with all points made. When Classic+ comes I plan on playing it together with my wife who has never played WoW before. I am somewhat envious of her as I know she's going to be having those first time feelings of hearing music in Elwynn Forest. first time entering Stormwind, Orgrimmar's gates, or roaming the plains of Mulgore or Westfall - some of my personal favourites. She we likely be a mage or a druid, I'll be my paladin. We will take our time, stop to enjoy the sights, take fishing breaks, and go on a long epic questing adventure that only Classic WoW can deliver. I'm betting my wife is going to get hooked, almost impossible not to. Best game ever
One thing with vanilla also was players got to make their own goals. I always play horde, for example, but I make a point to head out to westfall between 15-20 (pvp server) and farm myself up a defias mask on my rogues. It's like a spy mission trying to assassinate defias, without "aggroing" any leveling Alliance.
I started in early MoP and ever since Classic released I’ve never had the urge to go back to retail. So it’s not just nostalgia. I can say without a doubt that Classic WoW is something so incredibly special and there’s nothing else like it.
I remember the first time I played the closed beta at a friends house around 20 years ago. The first thing I said was ”Ok, I already love this game”. And the rest was history. Open beta and then the full vanilla experience. I had such a good time. I was bullied alot at the time. And I remember sitting in school and longing for getting home to play. I think it helped me get through high school.
definitely agree very strongly on the coming back home to town. really love the change of pace when you really need to head back somewhere to sell, restock, hand in quests, and visit the trainer. With the quest rewards: I want to stress how cool it is, that many of your great items that you will keep using for long are Class quest items, adds a lot of flavour and makes the stuff only a limited amount of characters can do really cool. Definitely enjoyed the trinket warlocks can get that heals them a bit, those snazzy robes and the very cool scythe.
I wish I could give 10 thumbs up, one for each item. I couldn't agree more. After playing SoD and TWW, I'm back to playing Classic. I like the simplicity of it, and even though I don't like to admit it, I actually like the amount of time it takes to level a toon.
What made classic classic was it was so new, i was a kid with no responsibilities to nothing when it came out so lots of time to play and explore. Exploration was the key, no wowhead and other tryhard sites, you discovered things yourself or from other players. It was great
Nah, the game is just good. I started playing in cata and only played vanilla since 2019 and I still think it's by far the best version. It has nothing to do with nostalgia.
Dont get that either. Playerbase would be high on every Game Type o guess. I personally would Play tbc fresh and Maybe classic ❤ i know Many ppl that would enjoy this..
Elwynn Forest hands down the best starting zone ever created in any mmo period. The quests, the mobs, the music, the layout of the zone just utter perfection. I can start a character at any time and level through it and it never gets old it is truly home for me.
Ever since TBC classic came out I've maintained that the popular conception of the classic experience ending with WotLK was wrong, and that it ends when TBC starts. The thing in my mind that most drastically loses that classic WoW feeling is the ability to fly. So I definitely agree with your first point about the importance of walking.
@@Infotainment-cb6cy that and it really hurts immersion and the world's scale. The long journey on foot from here to there really enhances the sense of adventure, even if it can be boring in the moment-to-moment gameplay.
I only played Classic for the first time in 2019, but I loved it. One of my favourite aspects of the game was the long quest chains, which rarely tell me where to go. I especially enjoyed every moment of the Onyxia Attunement, The Missing Diplomat, and the Warlock Epic Mount questline (Dreadsteed). Onyxia in particular blew my mind. Having to search the world for an item (was it the Drakefire Amulet?) but not having any clue where it was, was brilliantly evil. Of course, at that point everyone knew where it was located, so it was only a matter of asking (or looking up the answer online). There is so much I never got to do too, find the legendary weapons and items, complete the Shifting Sands quest chain (just for the sake of saying I did it), and probably many other things besides them. The classic servers are still up so maybe one day I can still do them.
I remember when Vanilla released. I loved to play Classic again. I still remember having Arrows in your bags, Wood and Stone for Fire, Feathers for levitate (Priest) etc. That was feeling playing a growing Hero in a huge world. Now, you get everything without effort. Today you buy for max Lvl... go back and learn to play your class!
I only play tanks and I really loved my time in vanilla mainly because of the threat management and gearing accordingly. I always want to come back. I’m glad I swapped my T3 Warrior over but I’m a bit miffed I left my other 60’s off that. I should’ve brought my Druid tank over as well and ofc my other toons that are more efficient at getting mats like my hunter. This vid got me all worked up lol. I might have to log in and mess about. Thanks bro! Now ya done it !
Excellent video and spot on: no 11 the initial release had a multitude of bugs which while frustrating was funny as hell. Mining nodes hanging in mid air, mages blinking into trees etc... stopped playing retail and still play classic and classic hardcore. Even after 20 years still find new things, its a very big world
Well made video! (All the reasons) The slowness and clunkiness makes things have more flavour. Progression is felt. The world of wacraft can come to you, well said.
i played classic for around 2 weeks, and now that blizzard is going to open new fresh server for classic era, i kinda just stopped the guild i was in is going to that server, well i'm only lvl 20... :'( so that is sad time. had alot of fun in classic though, so now i'm just playing retail lol good video overall mate, keep up the good work.
I've been playing WoW since the beginning...and everything you said is true...Vanilla and TBC are always on my first place! I'm glad I can play WoW -vanilla and tbc again....
I started 3 months before TBC and this game consumed my life for over 3 years. Then as a casual. Loved classic and was real excited about TBC thinking they would keep it around forever but alas it wasn’t meant to be. I just simply do not have the time needed to fully experience the game. No matter how many times I have done a quest it’s just as interesting doing it again. Earning the cool patterns or recipes. I wish i could just hop on and pick up where i left off. Maybe it’ll happen again or maybe a private server like were available prior to classic.
you can keep vanilla while still expanding into wach new expansion. Make expansion leveling specific to the expansion. tbc doesnt increase to 70, its 1-60 vanilla, then 1-10 TBC, then 1-10 WOTLK. Have those levels increase your specialization towards fighting the types of enemies you fight in each expansion. then you can keep the same vanilla leveling experience while making old expansions optional but still rewarding to play in. AND you could have the benefit of making it so ALL end games can still be relevant. Artifacts are still competitive, legendaries from wrath could be BiS with new expansion tier sets. this is the best way
I was 14 and bought wow the day it released. My dad played on the same account and it was literally to challenging for me to get past lvl 20. My dad kept grinding and about a year later my friends had gotten into it and I started playing an orc warrior named incontinent (terrible class choice) got him to 60 just before tbc released. But it was a slog without addons/ information/ dial in internet back then. To this day I think classic wow is the best game of all time.
16 years ago when I started playing, I was instantly addicted. Which was crazy because the only games I played prior was madden football and counter strike. Lol
One of the things I loved in Vanilla about those "useless" flavour spells was that they made you really feel like you belonged to your class. I've played a Pally since then and I remember how most of my playtime was shit damage-wise and levelling was so hard, but once you ended up in areas where there were demons or undead enemies your spells just did crits on everything and you realized that was supposed to be your point: you healed people most times but you became actually useful once you reached zones where most enemies were of a certain type. Same thing for being able to detect Undead or fear them, which was so satisfying to use considering how most times, as the player, you're on the receiving end of being feared. Good times, man....
@@vtr0104 warlocks felt like a hero class until level 50 because of fear. 2v1s easy. Just dot one up, fear them, seduce the second one until the fear runs out and repeat. Literally unstoppable
@@malachistice8111 I think you are confused here. I simply said all of the flavor spells Paladin used to have currently exist in retail - such as Turn Undead, even though they are never used. I guess reading is hard huh?
@@MikeyJ232 So you were just pointing out the obvious? That's fair enough I'd say those spells are even more useless in retail though, as virtually no classes are underpowered at any point during gameplay until you reach max level. Even then, every spec has viability in the endgame. Vastly unlike the early and late game of paladin during vanilla. Sorry about that, just hadn't considered somebody saying something so.... pointless
People sometimes complain that Vanilla is "easy", but they also complain that it's time consuming. I'd argue that the difficulty is different, not "nonexistent". Vanilla or Classic today I suppose, has difficulty in that the game requires time and dedication. Some times, you simply have to invest a lot of effort into doing something. There aren't shortcuts and catch-up mechanics. The raids are simply, sure, but sometimes, simply getting a balanced raid of 40 people together can be a challenge. And despite how "so fucking easy" thing are, plenty of guilds fail due to one or two players thinking that "so easy" means they can simply ignore all mechanics. As for the levelling taking a long time, I think that's a great thing, because it means that by the time you get to level 60, you have at least a basic understanding of how your class works. You understand what your abilities are, why they exist, how they can help you out of a sticky situation etc. And one of the biggest differences between "oldschool" WoW and modern WoW, is the need to use crowd control. Today, dungeons are simply AoE tanking and AoE nuking. That's it. Just do it as quickly as possible. Back then, AoE tanking wasn't really viable unless you were very overgeared. Sure, a tank in full Naxx gear could AoE tank any 5-man dungeon, no problem. But outside of totally outgearing the content, you'd not really be able to tank a huge amount of mobs without being flattened. So you needed to employ patience, crowd control and a bit of common sense. And common sense is in short supply these days, unfortunately, and patience even more so, so dungeons can actually be challenging when you go into them with a bunch of gung ho people who expect to do all this oldschool content in the same way they do modern content. Classic is simply more fun. It's a game about being part of the world. Modern WoW is byte sizes challenges. You might as well remove the world and simply have a lobby where you sign up for shit.
Combat is big as well. A lot of Abilities have meaning. They are not just a mini game of press the flashing button to do bigger damage. They actually do stuff. That's why raid rotations for some classes are single button spam, because that is your dps ability, you use the others when they are needed for other things like cc, heals and so on.
I like to say the following: Wow abilities: Standard, Offersive cooldowns, defensive cooldown, mobility cooldowns, special mechanics Final fantasy 14: 1,2,3 - 1,2,3 - 1,2,3! ... it's the worst combat i've ever seen
A lot of raid rotations are single button because you can't use more of your kit due to the debuff cap. Warlock would be much more fun to play if you could use your DoTs. Overall, the gameplay is vastly superior in TBC because you have an actual rotation and all specs become viable. Also I'd argue that classes in modern WoW have much more utility buttons. (And some very strong ones like Bloodlust, Shroud of Concealment, Demonic Gateway, Stampeding Roar, etc...) Classic classes have a lot of dead ones that have next to no use. (Most DoTs, less useful debuffs, HoTs and other small buffs.)
@@antoineguerrier2965thats what i noticed about wow after classic i played mostly vanilla but lvled 2chars in cata and 1 in SOD why is a good thing that every class has design that i must use specific rotation to do most dmg. Like u have to do it in specific order for it to works im not saying its hard to learn but why is that better then classic dmg im talking about pve here pvp is other topic.
@@josipmarasovic2436 Having a complex rotation adds another layer to combat. Also most rotations aren't rigid and have a degree of randomness and decision making. For some stupid iterations like Ret Paladin in TLK it boils down to press the thing that lights up, but for the better rotations you're actually dealing with shifting priorities and you have to make decisions as you go while dealing with the fight mechanics. TBC had some banger specs from a mechanic point of view, like Slam Warrior or Seal Twisting Paladin. (But they were more focused on execution timing than decision making.) And frankly, I'd rather do that than spam Shadow Bolt.
I’ll never understand the people who genuinely believe that the open world itself should be piss easy and have hardly much challenge goin and bitching bloody murder when the world bosses aren’t just defenceless loot piñatas.
I missed out on the entirety of Classic, TBCC and most of WOLTK... Cataclysm too, because I didn't understand the game at first, then came the problem of that when my parents stopped raiding and joining guilds, so did I and missed out on Raiding in Cataclysm, MoP and WoD.... started to figure out the game by Legion and got confident enough to PuG and snark anyone being rude :P
I remember, my first helmet was the slayer helmet, i was so proude! Also, spend hours farming in stonetalon at lvl39 so i can buy my first mount. :D This first play experience was the best, wish, i could forget it, and play vanilla again, without knowing qnything
original hit hard, it sounds ridiculous now, but killing the crushridge ogres to grind a few levels out was the best. speaking with the guys on vent and just playing the game as it was, we weren't rushing we just wanted to explore. i remember BWL coming out and listening to guilds progress whilst i levelled my character up. great days.
Always a good willE video to instant like! And Blizzard if you dont know it already, he is trying to help you build a good Classic+ even tho its already there. Cya on turtlewow!!! ❤
When have expansions and dlc's ever been better than the prior material? Maybe they should have mae 3 or 4 renditions of games from scratch by now. What if TBC wasn't an expansion but a game from 1 to 60?
Classic was also one of the few eras where every class felt like they had a unique journey as well. Personally, I still don't feel like I've "beaten" Classic WoW because I still haven't done everything on every class yet. That insane replayability (when combined with "challenge mode" ways to play such as Hardcore) should have been one of the reasons on this list. It's one of the main reasons I keep coming back every time fresh servers launch.
think the first phase of sod was incredibly close to recreating the vanilla exprience and i hope they build on it. more new things that arent given in 30 sec
WoW was super accessible and somewhat clear for casual players. It allowed for a massive influx of gamers which in its turned allowed a vast population with healthy economy and interactions of all kinds. All of that was backed up by a first class support (before automated CS times). High population allowed thousands of guilds to coexist and compete leading to emerging a second layer of stories and myths in the game (adjacent to the plot). And in the center of it all were regular "clueless" casual players, who spent their time just wandering, goofing around, exploring, questing, sometimes doing practically nothing and not even touching high-end content. WoW was and is a people's MMO, which gave birth to a vibrant community, without which hardcore achievers would not b able to exist.
Even though some may call classic too simple or too primitive I think it’s the best version still because there was no shortcuts, you had to really grind to even earn the smallest rewards, every piece of gear mattered, profs. actually mattered and you had to basically do every zone to hit max level.
I love the idea of the picture at 6:45 (shown a few different times in the video) but it annoys me that its missing an undead players as well as the shaman class. The rogue in the front should ahve for sure been an undead and somewhere in the back should be a Tauren shaman.
I read your comment and thought "that's an oddly specific thing to mention" but I went back and looked ... bro I'm 100% with you, there is misrepresentation afoot.
Go even further with the point about fighting full grown dragons. In base Vanilla, you went all the way up to level 60, then had to go on an epic, long globetrotting mission that culminated in a fight with not just any black dragon, but the Brood mother herself. Good stuff.
@WillE you should have mentioned the fear involved with random pathing enemies. I lost 2 hardcore characters to stitches while i was just going to the quest giver. He shows up and you are in his aggro pool just by being there, then later when he defeats the guards he comes after you and you are in the inn minding your own business... AGGRO i really wonder if the NPCs cast some kind of spell passively that is considered "healing" like if you go within the vicinity of stitches while hes fighting guard you become part of the fight, which isnt the case with other situations where you see someone being attacked by mobs and you decide to not help and they die, and the mobs reset.
Classic had Roleplay Elements, each Class was Unique and felt different - today everyone can do everything and nothing feels special. Classic was the Adventure and the Fun, now its just get the loot asap
I personally like vanilla a lot more than retail because the game is about me/my character's journey and not the story of a handful of NPCs that blizzard thinks are important this patch/expansion and my character being the +1 to that.
Dragons in vanilla wow: level 50, elite, badlands / level 35 elite in wetlands. Dragons in burning crusade: Draenei level 20 starter zone optional boss. Hmpf... i guess they de-epicfied quite a bit. Still salty about how strong dark iron dwarfs are.
In the discussion of having a levelling item for several levels... the caster ring from last boss in WC i got at around 19 and had til 50 or so and the upgrade was not great. That rring is OP
I played vanilla wow after playing FF11 and City of Heroes. I hated WoW so much that I quit it and went back to City of Heroes. The only reason I came back to it was that I met a woman who liked it and she begged me to play it with her. I played it begrudgingly until legion, which was the first expansion I actually enjoyed. WoW was a shit game until Legion and vanilla was the worst version of it. Loved trying to quest and I couldn't turn anything in because all the quest givers were dead because players wanted some easy honor points. Loved not being able to switch specs because it cost all your gold and you had to walk back to a main city, so have fun leveling as a healer. Vanilla was was garbage.
What i realized quite a while back is that everything Classic had, that made WoW great is exactly what Retail lacks completely and makes is so damn bad in many ways. In Retail the world is meaningless, leveling is fast and meaningless, community non-existent, class design dull and homogeneous with everything feeling the same because Blizzard wants every class to function the same way and perform equally. There are so many things that turn me off in Retail, but at the end of the day the game just doesn't feel like warcraft anymore, but some endgame performance simulator and nothing else. I occasionally hop on retail for casual stuff like transmoggs...but nothing else, everything feels dead, boring and pointless. I already have to torture myself because the 20th anniversary quests force me to do raids and dungeons for those tokens.
It's hitting the milestones that feel satisfying to me, getting to level 20 and getting new armor slots available, exploring new zones with each bracket, getting level 40 for a class spec's capstone talent and mount, hitting 60, feeling like you made it until you realize there's another world of raiding and heroics that await you
It's a GRINDER game and people love to grind and FEEL the progress. not so much these days. but imagine the best rogue like you can find and then imagine you can boost and impress your friends when you're ahead.
Vanilla WoW feels like a REAL game. This is not a streamlined scaling instance generator. Everything in this game Masters. Even 1year later, a lvl 5 character can still sell copper in the ah. Everything matters. Green Items are a thing until lategame. You are happy to find reagents, green items, fishing boxes, dropquests, chests. No daily quest bullshit! You log in, ans its up to you what you want to do. This is Freedom and Satisfaction!
the main thing for me is like skyrim everyone opened up to a new world they werent used to or seen before. maybe not classic but vanilla was that for me.
Blizz recently deleted our personal guild banks with all items in them, so they are at least trying to make us feel like we are starting from nothing again.
In retail, if you create a night elf you don't take a boat to eastern kingdom. You take a portal. but if you're under lvl 10, a message pops telling you that you can only use the portal once you reach level 10. unlike classic, you can't do whatever you want. btw you can go to exodar and take a portal to SW there at any level. This has been like this for like eight years or something. This is an example of what is wrong with retail.
Vanilla was an actual MMORPG. There were social, role-playing, and adventure aspects to the game. Servers were actual communities and you'd run into the same people day after day. It was extremely immersive. It was also challenging; not as challenging as something like Everquest, but the game wasn't totally handed to you on a platter. I don't know what it's evolved into exactly, but it's no longer an MMORPG and the whole point is min/maxing item level instead of enjoying the adventure.
- there are plenty of fun things to do 1-60, endgame (or to be more precise, PvE or PvP endgame instances that insulates the player from the world) isn't the only game in classic. - this is somewhat implied, but needs to be called out explicitly: no flying is one of the reasons why classic is classic.
I didnt play back in the day and i have never gotten to endgame, but i only play vanilla wow now because its the only one that is fun to me. Heres to hoping classic+ happens.
None of the new MMOs get even close to capturing the atmosphere that WoW has. Throne and Liberty may look great but it just doesn’t draw you in and make you feel immersed. I long for a day when modern graphics are paired with an immersive environment.
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As someone who never played the original back in the day i can still say it is the most fun i have ever had playing WoW. Classic is Top tier
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That’s really amazing to hear, I know I’m biased because I own a collectors edition of vanilla but this is incredible to hear.
@@mookieblaelocker6504 whats really going to blow your mind is that i was born after the release of the game
and its not even as good as the original was
I still laugh that most people who dont know it, didnt took the line "we go back to a please where everything can kill ya!" serious. And that also directly translates to the deaths in hardcore.
The slow lore- and world building is to me the best part. In particular the human zones lvl 1-30 are chock full of small drops of what problems you'll face down the line. The hints at corruption in Stormwind, the undead threat, etc. Epic quests like The legend of Stalvan and The missing diplomat that makes you feel like a small cog in a very big machine. Entering Stormwind for the 1st time and wondering "why is there a cheese shop in the most central part of the city". The fact that you can SEE BLACKROCK MOUNTAIN from the human/dwarf/gnome starting zones! This ominous and at the time unknown pillar in the vast distance that will end up as the epic end game focal point. It's just a masterclass in game design. The slow pace works perfectly.
Oh yes! The mysterious world full of foreign races … and you roll human warrior. 😂
@@mr.spokesman5849 Rofl
@@mr.spokesman5849 My 1st ever character was a tauren hunter. But the human zones are just objectively better than doing 50 gathering quests in Barrens. Sorry not sorry.
Beta alliance player 😂
@@DB-sd3cw Genuine question; is there a similar questing path for the horde side, to the elwynn > westfall > redridge > darkshire route, in terms of writing and lore exposition?
The thing about vanilla is that there's no linear narrative like there is in retail. There are no "campaign" quests. There are quest chains, yes, and but it's not as linear as it is in retail. The good thing about that is that the game feels more organic and natural. The player feels as if they are truly part of the narrative, helping the NPCs to uncover whatever plans the bad guys are up to.
Because the original dev team was quite possibly the best dev group ever assembled
Morrowind-era Bethesda is up there for me. Sad how they both fell so far from grace
@@devonchafe2764 late stage capitalism/neoliberalism
@@harmonyinchaos6381 lmfao.
A lot of those early devs also played original everquest and a lot of those ideas carried over. Some were good. Some were bad.
It was also when buying the game and paying a sub was enough. Gameplay was top priority, rather than maximum mtx sales
6 slot bag in the beginning - truly a blessed main. I still remember.
For me vanilla WoW represents adventure. Going on a quest not for the reward of loot, but just for the journey. The star of the show is the world and the fun is in discovering what it has to offer.
The best part is in the very original form there is almost not a single zone not needing revisiting by endgame players. Either because of BGs and PvP vendors, transport hubs, special recipe ingredients, World bosses, solo farming dungeon entrances, companion pet farming, Darkmoon Fair, Seasonal Events, etc.
One thing for me is how organic the world feels. It's like actual places, not well-designed video game levels. What I mean is that sure, you have your densely packed leveling zones like STV, but a lot of them are much less so, might be inconveniently placed beyond harder areas, or might only have very few quests for your side... but still, you CAN do them, like Ratchet, Thousand Needles and and Hillsbrad Foothills as Alliance, and it adds to the worldbuilding, like you are lucky to find a neutral faction in enemy territory, or it's your last holdout. And the quests send you all over the place, not just within the zone itself. Some chains might be surprisingly long, some may just be a one-off, some might have an Elite quest in the middle, it all feels less formulaic, and therefore more real.
Even the Cata redesign conveniently has around 50 quests organized into 3-5 main "chapters" everywhere, all self-contained, with a perfect balance between Horde and Alliance content, it's either a full zone worth of content, or no content at all.
I'd be happy if they just keep Vanilla, tbc and wrath going for ever
with fresh
Loop every 3 years
Arthas time loop esoteric lore. Jokes aside, so would I.
@@guekasihtau5403isnt that too little time?
I don't understand why they went with cata. I loved cata but they didn't need it.
The fact that people would choose to play a 20 year old game says just as much about the industry as the game itself.
Exactly, I find myself playing emulators more than new games. I've been let down so many times by new games/ remasters. Im not even a wow player but ive recently started playing and I truly respect the amount of passion that went into making this game.
I'm kinda speeding to finish current game I'm playing ready for classic fresh release
I find myself playing more old games than I do new ones. Re:Metaphor is pretty good though.
And the community pushing for stuff that had no place in an MMO.
Go play rails games for quick fun. This is absolutely a commitment some can't and shouldn't attempt.
Sucking that out killed the MMO. Hence we all go back to before the min/max and speed run crews came and wrecked it or whored it out for a stream job.
I started in 2005 as a NE Priest and I remember being absolutely stunned by the graphics and the quest lines. Finding out about Stormwind was mind blowing as was how enormous Azeroth really was. 😮 The " Carrot on a Stick" quest showed you how huge WoW really is.
Classic feels so immersive. You have two giant continents you have to navigate between while only using your feet - no flying, ground mount super late into the game. You have no quest helper giving you the exact coordinates, you have to read the text and explore yourself. There is no centralized questing so you get send across the continents for one quest. This all help creating the immersive feeling of a vast world that holds many secrets you have to discover.
I don't miss walking to be honest. you will still meet other players since everyone is forced to use the main roads even with their +100% speed mounts due to danger. another brilliant design choice.
Classic era Vanilla into TBC was some of the most fun I’ve ever had gaming.
Honestly I was so hyped after classic for TBC classic but soon into launch i realised how much fun classic was..ever since I have been trying to get that feeling back but SOD and Era does not quite feel the same, classic was just simple and perfect. Does anyone else feel this way?
Only the thing u said about tbc, but Sod is amazing and i bet era is too
Go classic HC, it is the best
@@herusmonteiromelo3410 I tried SOD, i could not get attached to my character and era, all the phases.content is completed..we just need a fresh classic launch
same man. i played classic 2019 start to finish but 1 week into TBC i called it quits. i respect the people that like TBC but for me its just vanilla, especially on a fresh server.
TBC classic was bad because Activision Blizzard stopped caring about balancing realms population and even more, they tried to squeeze more profits from transfers. They literally left dozens of servers to die.
For me playing WoW back in 2005 for the first time was super exciting as a WCIII fan at that time.
Seeing Thotbot's home page was so nostalgic
agree, and before thottbot, there was Allakhazam
Agree on all points you made here, and would add two: 1. Class balance/design - every class felt very unique, and fulfilled a particular role in a party. Nowadays every class seem to be able to dps, tank and heal almost. If healer died in classic, you were done. In todays WoW when a healer dies, it doesn't really matter (not unless we are talking mythic). And 2. Itemization - you touched somewhat on this, but back in classic, you almost knew most of the best gear by looks. You would run by some random dude, and think "wow this gear looks insane", you would inspect and check it out. Today, all gear looks insane, has fire, lightning or whatever coming out of it, and transmog ruined the idea of knowing what gear a person was wearing.
Todays WoW is much smoother, and doesn't require a lot of the player in terms of getting to play the game (ie. grouping, time it takes to get to zone/through dungeon, etc). But I think, like you said, this was one aspect of the game that made it so immersive.
Having recently discovered there’s a seasons of discovery mode and possibly something along lines of classic plus I’m thinking about another round of wow :)
Tried all versions. Vanilla #nochanges sticks out among the rest with head and shoulders. Incomparable, it is the best version ever.
400ms spellbatching.
U can still play retail and throw 458 spell in the same global cooldown @@General12th
i didnt play vanilla but i played in classic, most fun ive ever had on a video game by far, i didnt use any addons i just raw dogged it and looked stuff up if i was totally lost.
I've exclusively been playing Classic Era for a year. Tonight, I got my first 3 splinters for my Atiesh! I absolutely love my cluster, my server and the game. Era forever!!
Enchanting white item with eng game vanilla enchants were the original heirloom items. Pair of white boots with speed enchant was the best investment of all time
Its because of the lvling aspect .... it's amazing and you really get involved .... raiding is fun but the lvling journey on fresh servers is epic
I was a day 1 player along with my brother. We rolled a shaman and a mage and we tag teamed it from wailing caverns to Black rock spire with no guides, no walk through, no wiki. It really added a sense of depth and mystery to the game
WillE gets it. Agreed with all points made. When Classic+ comes I plan on playing it together with my wife who has never played WoW before. I am somewhat envious of her as I know she's going to be having those first time feelings of hearing music in Elwynn Forest. first time entering Stormwind, Orgrimmar's gates, or roaming the plains of Mulgore or Westfall - some of my personal favourites. She we likely be a mage or a druid, I'll be my paladin. We will take our time, stop to enjoy the sights, take fishing breaks, and go on a long epic questing adventure that only Classic WoW can deliver. I'm betting my wife is going to get hooked, almost impossible not to. Best game ever
One thing with vanilla also was players got to make their own goals. I always play horde, for example, but I make a point to head out to westfall between 15-20 (pvp server) and farm myself up a defias mask on my rogues. It's like a spy mission trying to assassinate defias, without "aggroing" any leveling Alliance.
Back in the day, it took me a year to reach level 60 and I didn’t know there was an auto run button for six months😂
I started in early MoP and ever since Classic released I’ve never had the urge to go back to retail. So it’s not just nostalgia. I can say without a doubt that Classic WoW is something so incredibly special and there’s nothing else like it.
Amen brother
I remember the first time I played the closed beta at a friends house around 20 years ago. The first thing I said was ”Ok, I already love this game”. And the rest was history. Open beta and then the full vanilla experience. I had such a good time.
I was bullied alot at the time. And I remember sitting in school and longing for getting home to play. I think it helped me get through high school.
definitely agree very strongly on the coming back home to town. really love the change of pace when you really need to head back somewhere to sell, restock, hand in quests, and visit the trainer.
With the quest rewards: I want to stress how cool it is, that many of your great items that you will keep using for long are Class quest items, adds a lot of flavour and makes the stuff only a limited amount of characters can do really cool. Definitely enjoyed the trinket warlocks can get that heals them a bit, those snazzy robes and the very cool scythe.
I wish I could give 10 thumbs up, one for each item. I couldn't agree more. After playing SoD and TWW, I'm back to playing Classic. I like the simplicity of it, and even though I don't like to admit it, I actually like the amount of time it takes to level a toon.
it amazes me how much people dislike SOD
Retail is strictly about endgame. Classic is about the journey. 💯
Retail is for impatient people, classic is for those who are patient.
Which iteration/server are you playing currently?
What made classic classic was it was so new, i was a kid with no responsibilities to nothing when it came out so lots of time to play and explore. Exploration was the key, no wowhead and other tryhard sites, you discovered things yourself or from other players. It was great
Exactly. Classic today can give you some flashbacks but it will never be like this again. But I'm so happy I was part of it
Thotbot was around pretty early though
Nah, the game is just good. I started playing in cata and only played vanilla since 2019 and I still think it's by far the best version. It has nothing to do with nostalgia.
You could have played any other MMO back then. but you chose wow. cause it was single player friendly and group-positive. also it was social.
@@KrulfarVanilla is fun until everyone is max level then you really see how shallow the game is.
Yeah. We need a fresh Vanilla, fresh TBC and fresh Wrath server or two every two years and 99% of Classic players will be forever happy.
Dude, exactly THIS!!! Why is it so difficult for devs to reconize???
Dont get that either. Playerbase would be high on every Game Type o guess. I personally would Play tbc fresh and Maybe classic ❤ i know Many ppl that would enjoy this..
That or the players need to start enjoying the 95% of the game that isn't max level.
Yeah it gets old not seeing many people in zones. But then again having a line for quest mobs is annoying also
ask and you shall receive
Looks like the mistake of SoD was not making new lvling. They just added mini-endgames in every phase. But as I can see lvling is vanilla
Elwynn Forest hands down the best starting zone ever created in any mmo period. The quests, the mobs, the music, the layout of the zone just utter perfection. I can start a character at any time and level through it and it never gets old it is truly home for me.
Ever since TBC classic came out I've maintained that the popular conception of the classic experience ending with WotLK was wrong, and that it ends when TBC starts. The thing in my mind that most drastically loses that classic WoW feeling is the ability to fly. So I definitely agree with your first point about the importance of walking.
Fying is really conventient but also really anti social.
@@Infotainment-cb6cy that and it really hurts immersion and the world's scale. The long journey on foot from here to there really enhances the sense of adventure, even if it can be boring in the moment-to-moment gameplay.
It do be good. It do.
Completely hit the nail on the head with this vid.
I only played Classic for the first time in 2019, but I loved it. One of my favourite aspects of the game was the long quest chains, which rarely tell me where to go. I especially enjoyed every moment of the Onyxia Attunement, The Missing Diplomat, and the Warlock Epic Mount questline (Dreadsteed). Onyxia in particular blew my mind. Having to search the world for an item (was it the Drakefire Amulet?) but not having any clue where it was, was brilliantly evil. Of course, at that point everyone knew where it was located, so it was only a matter of asking (or looking up the answer online). There is so much I never got to do too, find the legendary weapons and items, complete the Shifting Sands quest chain (just for the sake of saying I did it), and probably many other things besides them. The classic servers are still up so maybe one day I can still do them.
I remember when Vanilla released. I loved to play Classic again. I still remember having Arrows in your bags, Wood and Stone for Fire, Feathers for levitate (Priest) etc. That was feeling playing a growing Hero in a huge world. Now, you get everything without effort.
Today you buy for max Lvl... go back and learn to play your class!
I only play tanks and I really loved my time in vanilla mainly because of the threat management and gearing accordingly. I always want to come back. I’m glad I swapped my T3 Warrior over but I’m a bit miffed I left my other 60’s off that. I should’ve brought my Druid tank over as well and ofc my other toons that are more efficient at getting mats like my hunter. This vid got me all worked up lol. I might have to log in and mess about. Thanks bro! Now ya done it !
Excellent video and spot on: no 11 the initial release had a multitude of bugs which while frustrating was funny as hell. Mining nodes hanging in mid air, mages blinking into trees etc... stopped playing retail and still play classic and classic hardcore. Even after 20 years still find new things, its a very big world
I’ll play classic every re-release no matter what. Even with no plans to raid, it’s still incredibly fun just to level to 60 in a fresh world.
Well made video! (All the reasons)
The slowness and clunkiness makes things have more flavour.
Progression is felt.
The world of wacraft can come to you, well said.
Wow is the greatest gaming experience I’ve ever had. Nothing else comes close.
The leveling experience was always my favorite part of Vanilla.
i played classic for around 2 weeks, and now that blizzard is going to open new fresh server for classic era, i kinda just stopped the guild i was in is going to that server, well i'm only lvl 20... :'( so that is sad time.
had alot of fun in classic though, so now i'm just playing retail lol
good video overall mate, keep up the good work.
I've been playing WoW since the beginning...and everything you said is true...Vanilla and TBC are always on my first place! I'm glad I can play WoW -vanilla and tbc again....
I started 3 months before TBC and this game consumed my life for over 3 years. Then as a casual. Loved classic and was real excited about TBC thinking they would keep it around forever but alas it wasn’t meant to be. I just simply do not have the time needed to fully experience the game. No matter how many times I have done a quest it’s just as interesting doing it again. Earning the cool patterns or recipes. I wish i could just hop on and pick up where i left off. Maybe it’ll happen again or maybe a private server like were available prior to classic.
you can keep vanilla while still expanding into wach new expansion. Make expansion leveling specific to the expansion. tbc doesnt increase to 70, its 1-60 vanilla, then 1-10 TBC, then 1-10 WOTLK. Have those levels increase your specialization towards fighting the types of enemies you fight in each expansion. then you can keep the same vanilla leveling experience while making old expansions optional but still rewarding to play in. AND you could have the benefit of making it so ALL end games can still be relevant. Artifacts are still competitive, legendaries from wrath could be BiS with new expansion tier sets. this is the best way
I was 14 and bought wow the day it released. My dad played on the same account and it was literally to challenging for me to get past lvl 20. My dad kept grinding and about a year later my friends had gotten into it and I started playing an orc warrior named incontinent (terrible class choice) got him to 60 just before tbc released. But it was a slog without addons/ information/ dial in internet back then. To this day I think classic wow is the best game of all time.
16 years ago when I started playing, I was instantly addicted. Which was crazy because the only games I played prior was madden football and counter strike. Lol
One of the things I loved in Vanilla about those "useless" flavour spells was that they made you really feel like you belonged to your class.
I've played a Pally since then and I remember how most of my playtime was shit damage-wise and levelling was so hard, but once you ended up in areas where there were demons or undead enemies your spells just did crits on everything and you realized that was supposed to be your point: you healed people most times but you became actually useful once you reached zones where most enemies were of a certain type.
Same thing for being able to detect Undead or fear them, which was so satisfying to use considering how most times, as the player, you're on the receiving end of being feared. Good times, man....
@@vtr0104 warlocks felt like a hero class until level 50 because of fear. 2v1s easy. Just dot one up, fear them, seduce the second one until the fear runs out and repeat. Literally unstoppable
All of those spells still exist in retail btw.
@@MikeyJ232 Bit slow huh bro?
Paladins are just as powerful as any other class, if not more so, in retail.
It's a wildly different experience.
@@malachistice8111 I think you are confused here. I simply said all of the flavor spells Paladin used to have currently exist in retail - such as Turn Undead, even though they are never used.
I guess reading is hard huh?
@@MikeyJ232 So you were just pointing out the obvious?
That's fair enough
I'd say those spells are even more useless in retail though, as virtually no classes are underpowered at any point during gameplay until you reach max level. Even then, every spec has viability in the endgame. Vastly unlike the early and late game of paladin during vanilla.
Sorry about that, just hadn't considered somebody saying something so.... pointless
People sometimes complain that Vanilla is "easy", but they also complain that it's time consuming. I'd argue that the difficulty is different, not "nonexistent". Vanilla or Classic today I suppose, has difficulty in that the game requires time and dedication. Some times, you simply have to invest a lot of effort into doing something. There aren't shortcuts and catch-up mechanics. The raids are simply, sure, but sometimes, simply getting a balanced raid of 40 people together can be a challenge. And despite how "so fucking easy" thing are, plenty of guilds fail due to one or two players thinking that "so easy" means they can simply ignore all mechanics.
As for the levelling taking a long time, I think that's a great thing, because it means that by the time you get to level 60, you have at least a basic understanding of how your class works. You understand what your abilities are, why they exist, how they can help you out of a sticky situation etc. And one of the biggest differences between "oldschool" WoW and modern WoW, is the need to use crowd control. Today, dungeons are simply AoE tanking and AoE nuking. That's it. Just do it as quickly as possible. Back then, AoE tanking wasn't really viable unless you were very overgeared. Sure, a tank in full Naxx gear could AoE tank any 5-man dungeon, no problem. But outside of totally outgearing the content, you'd not really be able to tank a huge amount of mobs without being flattened. So you needed to employ patience, crowd control and a bit of common sense. And common sense is in short supply these days, unfortunately, and patience even more so, so dungeons can actually be challenging when you go into them with a bunch of gung ho people who expect to do all this oldschool content in the same way they do modern content.
Classic is simply more fun. It's a game about being part of the world. Modern WoW is byte sizes challenges. You might as well remove the world and simply have a lobby where you sign up for shit.
Combat is big as well. A lot of Abilities have meaning. They are not just a mini game of press the flashing button to do bigger damage. They actually do stuff. That's why raid rotations for some classes are single button spam, because that is your dps ability, you use the others when they are needed for other things like cc, heals and so on.
I like to say the following:
Wow abilities: Standard, Offersive cooldowns, defensive cooldown, mobility cooldowns, special mechanics
Final fantasy 14: 1,2,3 - 1,2,3 - 1,2,3! ... it's the worst combat i've ever seen
A lot of raid rotations are single button because you can't use more of your kit due to the debuff cap.
Warlock would be much more fun to play if you could use your DoTs.
Overall, the gameplay is vastly superior in TBC because you have an actual rotation and all specs become viable.
Also I'd argue that classes in modern WoW have much more utility buttons. (And some very strong ones like Bloodlust, Shroud of Concealment, Demonic Gateway, Stampeding Roar, etc...)
Classic classes have a lot of dead ones that have next to no use. (Most DoTs, less useful debuffs, HoTs and other small buffs.)
@@antoineguerrier2965thats what i noticed about wow after classic i played mostly vanilla but lvled 2chars in cata and 1 in SOD why is a good thing that every class has design that i must use specific rotation to do most dmg. Like u have to do it in specific order for it to works im not saying its hard to learn but why is that better then classic dmg im talking about pve here pvp is other topic.
@@josipmarasovic2436 Having a complex rotation adds another layer to combat. Also most rotations aren't rigid and have a degree of randomness and decision making.
For some stupid iterations like Ret Paladin in TLK it boils down to press the thing that lights up, but for the better rotations you're actually dealing with shifting priorities and you have to make decisions as you go while dealing with the fight mechanics.
TBC had some banger specs from a mechanic point of view, like Slam Warrior or Seal Twisting Paladin. (But they were more focused on execution timing than decision making.)
And frankly, I'd rather do that than spam Shadow Bolt.
I’ll never understand the people who genuinely believe that the open world itself should be piss easy and have hardly much challenge goin and bitching bloody murder when the world bosses aren’t just defenceless loot piñatas.
I like it that you are a regular person in the game not some Rockstar
You no take candle. Always f Murlocs. Always so many deaths.
No flying, no min maxing, no queuing. Class roles/specs emphasized. Rely on community. It’s that simple as to why.
No min-maxing? Are we playing the same game?
@ I mean like meta info and looking stuff up wasn’t all there so the elitist mentality wasn’t as prevalent.
No min/max ? 😂 have you seen classic era atm and how it was in 2019… it’s full of retail min/maxers.
@@jarlfisk They're referring to the Vanilla experience, not the Classic experience.
@ 2004.
I missed out on the entirety of Classic, TBCC and most of WOLTK... Cataclysm too, because I didn't understand the game at first, then came the problem of that when my parents stopped raiding and joining guilds, so did I and missed out on Raiding in Cataclysm, MoP and WoD.... started to figure out the game by Legion and got confident enough to PuG and snark anyone being rude :P
I remember, my first helmet was the slayer helmet, i was so proude!
Also, spend hours farming in stonetalon at lvl39 so i can buy my first mount. :D
This first play experience was the best, wish, i could forget it, and play vanilla again, without knowing qnything
original hit hard, it sounds ridiculous now, but killing the crushridge ogres to grind a few levels out was the best. speaking with the guys on vent and just playing the game as it was, we weren't rushing we just wanted to explore. i remember BWL coming out and listening to guilds progress whilst i levelled my character up. great days.
I've been waiting for weeks for you to make a video about warcraft direct speculation :(
true
Always a good willE video to instant like!
And Blizzard if you dont know it already, he is trying to help you build a good Classic+ even tho its already there.
Cya on turtlewow!!! ❤
When have expansions and dlc's ever been better than the prior material? Maybe they should have mae 3 or 4 renditions of games from scratch by now. What if TBC wasn't an expansion but a game from 1 to 60?
im glad people are enjoying what they wanted to play, however its not for me due to being too slow :D go hard boys glad ur having fun
Classic was also one of the few eras where every class felt like they had a unique journey as well. Personally, I still don't feel like I've "beaten" Classic WoW because I still haven't done everything on every class yet.
That insane replayability (when combined with "challenge mode" ways to play such as Hardcore) should have been one of the reasons on this list. It's one of the main reasons I keep coming back every time fresh servers launch.
think the first phase of sod was incredibly close to recreating the vanilla exprience and i hope they build on it. more new things that arent given in 30 sec
WoW was super accessible and somewhat clear for casual players. It allowed for a massive influx of gamers which in its turned allowed a vast population with healthy economy and interactions of all kinds. All of that was backed up by a first class support (before automated CS times). High population allowed thousands of guilds to coexist and compete leading to emerging a second layer of stories and myths in the game (adjacent to the plot). And in the center of it all were regular "clueless" casual players, who spent their time just wandering, goofing around, exploring, questing, sometimes doing practically nothing and not even touching high-end content. WoW was and is a people's MMO, which gave birth to a vibrant community, without which hardcore achievers would not b able to exist.
Even though some may call classic too simple or too primitive I think it’s the best version still because there was no shortcuts, you had to really grind to even earn the smallest rewards, every piece of gear mattered, profs. actually mattered and you had to basically do every zone to hit max level.
I love the idea of the picture at 6:45 (shown a few different times in the video) but it annoys me that its missing an undead players as well as the shaman class. The rogue in the front should ahve for sure been an undead and somewhere in the back should be a Tauren shaman.
I read your comment and thought "that's an oddly specific thing to mention" but I went back and looked ... bro I'm 100% with you, there is misrepresentation afoot.
Hunter is missing too
@@Krulfar I thought so too, but look on the far right side, she's back there.
@@squeeginator oh you are right, she's so well hidden lmao
Go even further with the point about fighting full grown dragons. In base Vanilla, you went all the way up to level 60, then had to go on an epic, long globetrotting mission that culminated in a fight with not just any black dragon, but the Brood mother herself. Good stuff.
Nice work brother.
Vanilla is the very peak of wow. cant wait for fresh
@WillE you should have mentioned the fear involved with random pathing enemies. I lost 2 hardcore characters to stitches while i was just going to the quest giver.
He shows up and you are in his aggro pool just by being there, then later when he defeats the guards he comes after you and you are in the inn minding your own business... AGGRO i really wonder if the NPCs cast some kind of spell passively that is considered "healing" like if you go within the vicinity of stitches while hes fighting guard you become part of the fight, which isnt the case with other situations where you see someone being attacked by mobs and you decide to not help and they die, and the mobs reset.
i have played sod late so i am kinda excited to try a fresh classic server.
Hi Will!
Classic had Roleplay Elements, each Class was Unique and felt different - today everyone can do everything and nothing feels special.
Classic was the Adventure and the Fun, now its just get the loot asap
I personally like vanilla a lot more than retail because the game is about me/my character's journey and not the story of a handful of NPCs that blizzard thinks are important this patch/expansion and my character being the +1 to that.
Bring back classic HS.
The only time i felt competative in a card game as such.
True skill = HS classic.
love the classic content bro
Dragons in vanilla wow: level 50, elite, badlands / level 35 elite in wetlands.
Dragons in burning crusade: Draenei level 20 starter zone optional boss.
Hmpf... i guess they de-epicfied quite a bit.
Still salty about how strong dark iron dwarfs are.
In the discussion of having a levelling item for several levels... the caster ring from last boss in WC i got at around 19 and had til 50 or so and the upgrade was not great. That rring is OP
spot on as usual 👍
I played vanilla wow after playing FF11 and City of Heroes. I hated WoW so much that I quit it and went back to City of Heroes. The only reason I came back to it was that I met a woman who liked it and she begged me to play it with her. I played it begrudgingly until legion, which was the first expansion I actually enjoyed. WoW was a shit game until Legion and vanilla was the worst version of it. Loved trying to quest and I couldn't turn anything in because all the quest givers were dead because players wanted some easy honor points. Loved not being able to switch specs because it cost all your gold and you had to walk back to a main city, so have fun leveling as a healer. Vanilla was was garbage.
Give us classic to wotlk era servers on a cycle and one of each era servers of those expansion alone! I’m begging
What i realized quite a while back is that everything Classic had, that made WoW great is exactly what Retail lacks completely and makes is so damn bad in many ways. In Retail the world is meaningless, leveling is fast and meaningless, community non-existent, class design dull and homogeneous with everything feeling the same because Blizzard wants every class to function the same way and perform equally. There are so many things that turn me off in Retail, but at the end of the day the game just doesn't feel like warcraft anymore, but some endgame performance simulator and nothing else.
I occasionally hop on retail for casual stuff like transmoggs...but nothing else, everything feels dead, boring and pointless. I already have to torture myself because the 20th anniversary quests force me to do raids and dungeons for those tokens.
It's hitting the milestones that feel satisfying to me, getting to level 20 and getting new armor slots available, exploring new zones with each bracket, getting level 40 for a class spec's capstone talent and mount, hitting 60, feeling like you made it until you realize there's another world of raiding and heroics that await you
It's a GRINDER game and people love to grind and FEEL the progress. not so much these days. but imagine the best rogue like you can find and then imagine you can boost and impress your friends when you're ahead.
The world was new, there were no guides and walkthroughs - the "finding out for the first time" was the fun
Vanilla WoW feels like a REAL game. This is not a streamlined scaling instance generator.
Everything in this game Masters. Even 1year later, a lvl 5 character can still sell copper in the ah.
Everything matters.
Green Items are a thing until lategame.
You are happy to find reagents, green items, fishing boxes, dropquests, chests.
No daily quest bullshit! You log in, ans its up to you what you want to do. This is Freedom and Satisfaction!
the main thing for me is like skyrim everyone opened up to a new world they werent used to or seen before. maybe not classic but vanilla was that for me.
Blizz recently deleted our personal guild banks with all items in them, so they are at least trying to make us feel like we are starting from nothing again.
In retail, if you create a night elf you don't take a boat to eastern kingdom. You take a portal. but if you're under lvl 10, a message pops telling you that you can only use the portal once you reach level 10. unlike classic, you can't do whatever you want. btw you can go to exodar and take a portal to SW there at any level. This has been like this for like eight years or something. This is an example of what is wrong with retail.
Vanilla was an actual MMORPG. There were social, role-playing, and adventure aspects to the game. Servers were actual communities and you'd run into the same people day after day. It was extremely immersive. It was also challenging; not as challenging as something like Everquest, but the game wasn't totally handed to you on a platter. I don't know what it's evolved into exactly, but it's no longer an MMORPG and the whole point is min/maxing item level instead of enjoying the adventure.
- there are plenty of fun things to do 1-60, endgame (or to be more precise, PvE or PvP endgame instances that insulates the player from the world) isn't the only game in classic.
- this is somewhat implied, but needs to be called out explicitly: no flying is one of the reasons why classic is classic.
I didnt play back in the day and i have never gotten to endgame, but i only play vanilla wow now because its the only one that is fun to me. Heres to hoping classic+ happens.
What's the best option for classic right now? Are there any plans on new servers? Not interested in Cataclysm or beyond
fresh servers got announced during the 30th anniversary livestream today. they open in 1 week on the 21st
Lets get it on!! Another time, another memory.
Vanilla WOW is THE MMO
None of the new MMOs get even close to capturing the atmosphere that WoW has. Throne and Liberty may look great but it just doesn’t draw you in and make you feel immersed. I long for a day when modern graphics are paired with an immersive environment.
praying for tbc servers 🙏