Design vs Lore The Blood Angels

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  • @rodneyr5266
    @rodneyr5266 День тому +28

    It was so good to see Sunny find her legion, and her disgust with the Primaris version. This was a great episode, thank you for taking the time to cover so much.

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  19 годин тому +3

      I also very excited to find my legion! I think it was because I could relate to it artistically, it made the creative juices flow for the redesigns. Which I was quite happy about, but I am even happier that you guys are enjoying them as well ~ Sunny

  • @robtibbetts890
    @robtibbetts890 День тому +5

    This video is really enjoyable. I don’t mind the longer runtime to dive deeper in the amount of art that’s available and to dig deeper in the analysis.

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  День тому

      Yeah I think the longer run time comes mostly from redesign because of their recent redesign - Cal

  • @7hird3ye
    @7hird3ye День тому +7

    Sunny's joy dissecting this legion was so contagious.
    I am in agreement thay the primaris update for the beautiful Angels removed so much of their personality. 😢
    The editing and work on the episodes feels like is getting better and better.
    Beautiful work guys!

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  День тому +3

      Thank you very much for your compliments on the editing! I put a lot of effort into this effort I don't know what came over me because as I was writing notes for this legion I felt the need to do some quick redesigns to make it better and stuff hahah ~Sunny

    • @7hird3ye
      @7hird3ye 22 години тому +1

      @@WhatareyouPaintingnow I deeply appreciate the redesigns. I think so much work is put into these factions that GW often ignore or forget. There is a beautiful foundation to so much of the world. Respecting whilst dissecting the hard work and artistry of what has gone on with these little plastic guys is deeply appreciated.

  • @randombencounter263
    @randombencounter263 День тому +15

    I enjoy the blood angels a lot. In my mind, they're the chaos legion who wasn't.
    They lose control easily, they're sensitive to human emotions and especially fear, they lost their primarch and their homeworld, they've been under heavy scrutiny from their very inception, they thirst for human blood, they should have turned at a million different points in their history and somehow they're *still* not just loyal to the imperium but one of the few groups in the game I'd actually call heroic. They have an entire successor chapter who are known for taking catastrophic losses because they insist on protecting civilians over pursuing mission objectives.

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  21 годину тому +1

      Yeah I think calling them heroic is good, but they are more like anti villains in they have to fight their nature the whole time - Cal

    • @maxbrandt6
      @maxbrandt6 10 годин тому +1

      Horus made it so they never turn to Choas because of his actions concerning Sanguinius.

  • @Stormeris
    @Stormeris День тому +10

    I've never been a big fan of the OG Blood Angels, but i love some of their successor chapters like the Lamenters, despite their Taxi-cab color scheme.

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  День тому +5

      I think the OG Blood Angels are good when they do some of the things we talk about but mostly when they have those different elements like the Sanguinary Guard and the Death Company - Cal

  • @gammothdraws
    @gammothdraws День тому +12

    WOO! Blood Angels! Oh father Sanguinius, bless this episode!!!!!

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  День тому +2

      @@gammothdraws hope you enjoy it's one of our longest ever videos

    • @gammothdraws
      @gammothdraws День тому +3

      @@WhatareyouPaintingnow it was really great. Didnt even notice the length until about 5 minutes in lol. But I like that longer form content, especially when painting

  • @RadikalKit
    @RadikalKit 6 днів тому +18

    I know absolutely nothing about Warhammer lore but this video has still been great accompaniment to today’s painting.

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  6 днів тому +4

      I am glad people can get something out of these videos regardless of if they do or don't have Warhammer knowledge because that's our aim. We want to talk about design and how interesting it is. And that Warhammer's 'simplistic' space marines may have a bit more to them beyond they have big space gun - Cal

  • @chadking375
    @chadking375 22 години тому +4

    I’m always happy when people find “their” part of the mythos……. and also find themselves with the same disgust with Primaris that 10+ year vets have.

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  22 години тому +3

      Well Sunny doesn't have the lore baggage we do but she is very artistic so that's why she dislikes those templates - Cal

  • @jackflashman3322
    @jackflashman3322 5 днів тому +6

    This was definitely my favorite DvL episode so far. I think all the redesigns were great!

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  4 дні тому +1

      Thank you so very much we obviously put a lot of effort into it and we are glad to hear that you enjoyed it. The Tomb Armour was difficult to get right - Cal

  • @davidkwiecien415
    @davidkwiecien415 6 днів тому +6

    YES! This is one of my two favorite video series you do. (The other is the color psychology)

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  6 днів тому +1

      Thank you very much I don't think you are alone on this one I think a lot of people like this and the colour videos - Cal

  • @alvarobarandiaran8848
    @alvarobarandiaran8848 День тому +3

    First time caller here, I've been watching your videos for the better part of this year so far, and I thought I should congratulate you both on an absolute home run of an episode with this one.
    I've no doubt that this was a particularly time-consuming endeavour but i think this might be your best video yet in this series in spite of its longer runtime.
    While I'm a dark angels player myself, the whole concept from 2nd edition of the angels of death codex has always sorta made me want to have a combined force of these two types of angels taking on the battlefield together.
    Some years ago i picked up a blood angels omnibus and there were some really good stories there, especially the one with the sanguinor-like being if anyone remembers that one. On that note, i wonder if there's any novels out there that have the blood angels and dark angels working together? That would be really cool to read if such a book exists.
    In short, I thoroughly enjoyed this detailed look at the blood angels, and rest assured blood angels players all over the place will absolutely love this one no doubt.
    Keep up the quality work, cheers!

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  22 години тому

      Thank you very much for your kind words 😊 it was quite a bit of work. I have to be increasing strategic in what I show Sunny otherwise she guess straight away everything. It's frustrating and rewarding at the same time. And yeah you're not wrong it was a lot of work - Cal

  • @miguelperez9906
    @miguelperez9906 День тому +2

    Loved Yall did my favorite legion but what I enjoyed the most was the exitment and enthusiasm both of you showed in this video it was super lively

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  19 годин тому +1

      Thanks very much it was hard not to ~ Sunny
      I will blame Sunny for the enthusiasm, she got very excited and then I got more excited, a hype train of two - Cal

  • @RSBurgener
    @RSBurgener 2 години тому

    I started my 40k hobby with the Angels of Death Codex at age 16. I cannot overstate what a perfect fit it was for me: I was vampire goth kid with long blonde hair, trying to become an artist who was struggling with his emotions every day. Now almost 30 years later, now that we finally have up to date models, I am creating my own successor chapter called the Mournful Lords. I want to see whether I can bring my vision into reality.
    Thanks for going over all of this; it was great food (or blood) for thought!

  • @stingblademaster
    @stingblademaster Годину тому

    Sunny’s impression are very much the same I had when I fell in love with the Blood Angels!

  • @draketurtle4169
    @draketurtle4169 День тому +2

    I think it’s worth noting that the blood angels are one of those chapters that has been decimated at least once so some of their original culture is going to be lost by the time primaris reinforces their ranks.
    I think narratively the blood angels and their successors are one of the more interesting legions because they have such tragedy and shame after the heresy.
    The black accents I think suits them within that context, they are not as much a proud and regal legion but one In perpetual mourning and shame in losing their primarch. (Sanguinius is just that great a figure that they are lost without him)
    That aside this video is great, dare I say the best in this series so far.

  • @davidkwiecien415
    @davidkwiecien415 6 днів тому +6

    14:48 Vampires in Venice? Dr who?

  • @vicnedel02
    @vicnedel02 17 годин тому +2

    I think the "lore reason" for the Primaris blood angel models being less fancy is the Devastation of Baal.
    So many marines died and their armor was destroyed that they could not replace what was lost. The new stuff is a pale imitation of what was lost and the blood of Sanguinious has been thinned in the process.
    I hate this explanation, but its the one we got.

  • @andrewkomlyev4877
    @andrewkomlyev4877 День тому +2

    Great video as always. Cant wait for the next. 10th legion needs some love.

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  День тому

      I am going to have to do a lot of research with them because they don't have nearly as much lore in general but also there lore is almost sectioned off - Cal

  • @ericred5305
    @ericred5305 День тому +2

    This was a great video, I watch a fair amount of hobby vids and yours are some of the most useful, more recently I think a lot more about colours and selections than simply painting by numbers and this is really helpful...watching this I came to realise just how clever GW actually is, they are deliberate in their approach, I was aware that they match schemes with lore, but the depths that they go to is extraordinary...it is much more complex than simply pushing pieces around a tabletop...

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  23 години тому

      I think it's also the fact that they get to add stuff to it or as some would some say post ad Hoc, they just justified all their stuff by adding all of the Horus Heresy stuff where they put a lot of work into it - Cal

    • @ericred5305
      @ericred5305 20 годин тому +1

      @@WhatareyouPaintingnow that is maybe the real genius of GW; you get to add and craft it the way you like...before them, everyone played historicals, mostly Neopolionic and some WW2, but they are fixed in their schemes....then came along Space Marines or rather Rouge Traders and then chapters, and you get to choose how you want to paint them, very clever...it has become so broad, there is something for everyone...keep up the great work

  • @0815UserII
    @0815UserII 8 годин тому +1

    What hits me the most is that they did go and design the winged jump packs for Astorath and the Sanguinor, but then did not use the same design (maybe with smaller wings, Astaroth's wings at least are kind of big) for the Sanguinary guard.
    The fact the new deathmasks and armors all looks the same is also a bit sad, but the wings are the big part.
    Agree on the filigree transfer idea, that would do so much for Blood Angels without driving people mad. And the people that really like doing that kind of stuff as freehand still can do it.
    A generic filigree transfer could even do double duty for 40k and Horus Heresy games, as Blood Angels in both times did decorate their armor to some degree.
    On top of the wings and heads you showed, there are also a ton of 3d printable shoulder pards that bring in decorative elements to the trim there, GW should just get over themselves and set clear and fair rules of what can and can not be 3d printed for playing in official events or in their stores.

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  8 годин тому

      Yeah it's not often I am in total agreement with what a commenter say but yeah pretty dang close if not spot on here. I am glad you can see with the transfer sheet we are thinking of the painters. Great comment 👍 - Cal

  • @reinretter9655
    @reinretter9655 День тому +3

    I really like the video, I actually wish you went more in depth on the design vs lore. I like these english essays

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  День тому +1

      The issue is obviously we put a lot of work into these ones so every extra minutes is usually another hour or two of work - Cal

  • @joaogabrielsilvadarosa9734
    @joaogabrielsilvadarosa9734 День тому +3

    5:03 - Sunny has good taste. She gets it. XD

  • @7hird3ye
    @7hird3ye 22 години тому +2

    Holy shit Cal, I am ababsolutly kitbashing a Vetruvian man with my Stormcasts. Brilliant idea.

  • @thepiratepenguin4465
    @thepiratepenguin4465 6 днів тому +7

    16:47 House Kurita from Battletech has a similar colour scheme and considers themselves noble and honourable. However, they have committed significant atrocities, including devastating a planet by decapitating thousands of prisoners and committing other war crimes on a massive scale. Their mechs feature green canopies, which I believe evoke a similar effect to green eyes, symbolizing their envy of House Steiner’s economic success and House Davion’s political stability.

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  6 днів тому +2

      Well I will be a red and black faction that sees themselves as the good guys but do terrible actions... who knows where this connection comes from... bamboozled again - Cal

    • @ChaseDaOrk3767
      @ChaseDaOrk3767 День тому

      Imagine if House Kurita (or any of the other Houses from Battletech) were to fall to Chaos?!

  • @blackwolf671
    @blackwolf671 День тому +2

    Can't wait for you guys to cover the XVIth.

  • @quart5extakkord
    @quart5extakkord День тому +2

    That last portrait looks like Ed Harris as General Hummel in the film "the rock". The one at 59:15

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  19 годин тому

      You know I had to look it up... but you know, you're not wrong - Cal

  • @davidkwiecien415
    @davidkwiecien415 6 днів тому +2

    Shared for the Angel!

  • @TheRedVyper
    @TheRedVyper День тому +3

    The Red Vyper is pleased.

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  День тому +2

      I know this red viper character I have heard that they have terrorized Florida for some time, and was once seen in Chicago but, that could have been a copy cat - Cal

  • @grumpycato8314
    @grumpycato8314 17 годин тому +2

    Shared for the angels

  • @trevorsmith9985
    @trevorsmith9985 15 годин тому

    Interesting thing about the Sanguinor is that the head you like is actually the most hated part of him in the community. On the old one it is a head and the new is a helmet, the Sanguinor is not just some guy in armour it is a mental projection or a psychic echo or an imperial demon or something so the old head showed gold flesh in gold armour with more real looking wings, the new one shows only a guy in armour with a helmet and mechanical wings similar to Astorath. (The black winged, flesh armoured Chaplain with the Axe at 47:15).

  • @HappyVoidWanderer
    @HappyVoidWanderer 18 годин тому +1

    Really hope you show Sunny a Firedrake and a Pyroclast for the Salamanders analisys Cal. They help give the Sallys an identity in HH

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  18 годин тому

      Perhaps... We will see what templates are available. The art often gives away too much - Cal

  • @colin_painting_adventure
    @colin_painting_adventure 11 годин тому +1

    Excellent video

  • @davidkwiecien415
    @davidkwiecien415 6 днів тому +1

    7:44 I would say that it looks like they are completely covered in blood except the feet. If you look at where the shin guards meet the boots it looks like dark blood

  • @bashkaai
    @bashkaai 6 днів тому +5

    Shared for the angel
    I'm gonna have to do some, now aren't I?

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  5 днів тому +1

      You don't have to you can just claim your current as a blood angel ha ha - Cal
      P.s this will only make sense to the group members ha

  • @KyleDudak
    @KyleDudak 9 годин тому +1

    Great series

  • @Pallyk426
    @Pallyk426 День тому +2

    I can agree with you on a lot of that, given the issues of the sanguinary guard feeling a bit more generic. But, the spears and swords were a decent change in my opinion showing further this divine idea of the great angel's preferred weapons. These being the encarmine blade (woo another term of blood) and the spear of telesto. The upgrade kit that is coming along side this redesign could help with the problem but not as much your ideas.

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  21 годину тому

      There is an upgrade kit coming for the sanguinary guard?? - Cal

    • @Pallyk426
      @Pallyk426 11 годин тому

      @@WhatareyouPaintingnow For the blood angels in general but can be used on the sanguinary guard to add more decorations. Though does not add more decorated deathmasks or wings sadly. Also sunny, they have the filigree details in the horus heresy decals

  • @davidkwiecien415
    @davidkwiecien415 6 днів тому +6

    12:28 my gf is all art nouveau, I’m all art deco. It makes for interesting home designs

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  6 днів тому +2

      **Acting deliberately oblivious** they both have art in their name how could they be - Cal

  • @BlizzardofKnives
    @BlizzardofKnives День тому +1

    I come for the 30k/40k, I stay for the art history.

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  23 години тому

      Yeah there was actually quite a bit even I was surprised when Sunny busted it out but it is to be expected with the Blood Angels, being all artsy and thirsty ever so thirsty - Cal

  • @thiscernunnos6230
    @thiscernunnos6230 День тому +2

    FOR THE ANGEL, FOR THE LIGHT, FOR THE EMPEROR. s h a r e

  • @EVER_PRINCE
    @EVER_PRINCE День тому +1

    Oh shit! We doing the Blangles?!

  • @maxbrandt6
    @maxbrandt6 7 годин тому

    And remember, the Blood Angels have been doing this for the past 10,000 years! That's a long time to be pissed off!

  • @rumbleroocomics
    @rumbleroocomics День тому +1

    I'm not angry at Horace, I'm just passionate - Sunny of the Death Company (not edited)

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  День тому +2

      @@rumbleroocomics hahahah!🤣 Um actuallyyyyy it's death company hehe 🤭 ~Sunny

    • @rumbleroocomics
      @rumbleroocomics 17 годин тому

      @@WhatareyouPaintingnow yes exactly Death Company

  • @yopoxikeweapescai9066
    @yopoxikeweapescai9066 День тому +1

    BLOOD ANGELS, LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO

  • @abgea
    @abgea День тому

    I think once sunny and cal get up to the 13th legion then this series will truly take iff. Great video, loved the enthusiasm this episode. I miss my little winged primarch ... He was a good boi.

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  23 години тому +1

      Indeed he was the goodest of bois 10/10 would fight demon again - Cal

  • @davidkwiecien415
    @davidkwiecien415 6 днів тому +2

    1:21:48 shared to all my discords

  • @darthpejter
    @darthpejter День тому +2

    I love Yours designer vs lore videos. But I need to clarification one thing: gold trim on post heresy pauldron is reserved for 2nd company on codex complaint chapters. 3rd had red trim, 4th green, 5th black, 6th mustard, 7th purple, 8th grey, and 10th had none trim

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  День тому +1

      I believe that is right but don't know off the top of my head - Cal

    • @darthpejter
      @darthpejter День тому +1

      ​@@WhatareyouPaintingnowbelieve that. GW is not very consistent with using their own lore, but company markings is one thing that stuck in my mind since I saw my fist codex in 3rd edition 😅

  • @changelingiris9409
    @changelingiris9409 12 годин тому

    Just a video suggestion:
    How about you taking a look at the classic 2nd edition 'Redhammer' style with it's Goblin Green bases and overall less grimdark vibes?
    Would love to hear your opinions about it.

  • @Dram1984
    @Dram1984 2 години тому +1

    Oddly I appreciate the primaris designs because they feel more like 2e and 3e marines. Originally all the divergent chapters weee basically just different colored normal space marines with some special characters and maybe a special unit or two.
    It wasn’t until later that each of them leaned 110% into being unique and special. (Too far in some cases *cough* space wolves * )
    So I like the primaris pulling back a bit on the “everyone is special” feeling the divergent chapters developed. To quote the Incredibles; “when everyone is special, no one is”

    • @rutgaurxi7314
      @rutgaurxi7314 Годину тому +1

      What terrible, terrible, taste you have... Primaris of all things, tsk, tsk (I hope you're at least a bit based and convert them up a bit!).

    • @Dram1984
      @Dram1984 Годину тому

      @@rutgaurxi7314 lol, I don’t love everything about (the lore, the rules rug pulling, the helmets, etc…) but I do like the “blandification” of the divergent chapters that I feel got way too over the top in their various schticks. Also the larger scale is nice.
      I also enjoy vanilla ice cream.

  • @nikoazure5235
    @nikoazure5235 День тому +1

    The group I have the most mixed feelings about

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  23 години тому +1

      Me and Sunny what did we do **Runs crying off in misunderstanding** - Cal

  • @tonlito22
    @tonlito22 9 годин тому +1

    Would Sunny say that the Death Company are the end and the death?

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  9 годин тому +1

      Sunny doesn't even know that reference ha ha ha - Cal
      Isn't that a book? ~ Sunny

  • @chrish3010
    @chrish3010 2 години тому

    Why did the second armour (the first red one) have 4 instead of 9 as the legion number

  • @gilbertgarnica7896
    @gilbertgarnica7896 День тому +1

    Blood for the blood God………..
    Skulls for the 12th!!!!!!

  • @JABEK336
    @JABEK336 2 години тому

    The reason the black winged marine didnt feel like a Blood Angel is because it wasnt, it is not a piece of official art.

  • @damianallen4964
    @damianallen4964 День тому +3

    Primaris Marines have gutted the core aesthetic appeal of 40k, in my own potentially/probably pretentious artist opinion. They closer resemble Star Wars Clone troopers, in their mass produced and same-y designs, rather than the embodiment of millennia old warrior traditions.

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  22 години тому

      I don't like being negative but I can't fault a lot of that. I think the helmet are interested but I am picking up what you're putting down - Cal

  • @nikoazure5235
    @nikoazure5235 День тому +2

    The Primaris are model wise much better but i hate how they just remove so much on thier templates

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  День тому +1

      @@nikoazure5235 yeah I really don't think it helps their case you're not wrong - Cal

  • @robainsworth2014
    @robainsworth2014 День тому +1

    She was right BA are noble 😆

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  23 години тому

      I don't know I am still suspicious there seems to be a lot of blood related stuff going on - Cal

  • @trivialpershoot
    @trivialpershoot День тому +1

    Sanguinor or... Dr Zaius

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  22 години тому

      I some how think he does very little break dancing... wait no, that's right - Cal

  • @skullinski2957
    @skullinski2957 11 годин тому

    She totally knows more about the lore than she lets on. Just be honest fake pretending not to know lore just to sound surprised isnt interesting

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  11 годин тому +2

      Okay sure if you think so... But no level of information would convince you. Tell me how we would prove you wrong and if you can't your just full of it and puffing out your chest - Cal

    • @skullinski2957
      @skullinski2957 11 годин тому

      @WhatareyouPaintingnow I'm not trying to be rude or puff out my chest, just simply saying what I think based off what I seen and heard. Nothing wrong if she knows the lore. You guys have been doing this for a while, and I'm sure she's done research on her own time because she seems really interested. I just feel like the whole she doesn't know anything is a charade at this point tbh

    • @WhatareyouPaintingnow
      @WhatareyouPaintingnow  11 годин тому

      Yes she does research on the pictures. She will look up styles and such I show her a series of images and then she researches the styles surrounding them. She is a graphic designer, that is her field of expertise and you just called us dishonest, infact you called us liars and you're not puffing you're chest out? Don't go to the country area, you don't know how insulting you are and will get into trouble. Also you didn't answer the question so I believe you are dishonest and not to be respected - Cal

  • @gammothdraws
    @gammothdraws День тому +2

    37:59 "I AM SUPREME!!!" - Balthazar Gelt, Warhammer Fantasy/Total War Warhammer Series

    • @Jfk2Mr
      @Jfk2Mr День тому

      And then he scams a merchant captain for a thrill of it?

    • @gammothdraws
      @gammothdraws День тому

      @@Jfk2Mr Ah yes, Balthazaar Gelt, the BANE OF ULTRAMAR.!!!! . . yes, then he does that

  • @frankiedafish77
    @frankiedafish77 День тому +2

    Shared for the angel!