I learned more history in this nine minute video than I did in 18 years of being in the LDS church and graduating from seminary. If that does not tell you something IDK what would.
I have been around a lot of seminary students. Most of them lack the desire to go beyond the surface. If you are insinuating that the church is "hiding" it's history, you are wrong.
@@Ether-pb5gb I get your point that teaching Mormon history is not the point of seminary. The purpose of seminary is indoctrination (to ensure either "eternal salvation" or "a lifetime stream of tithing revenue", depending on how you judge that indoctrination). And I get your point that most seminary students are just putting in their time. But the Mormon church has a long and well-documented record of hiding and whitewashing its history. Someone could grow up in the mainline Mormon church and spend decades without knowing that other Mormon branches exist, or knowing about the existence of slavery in the Utah territory, or knowing about the Mountain Meadows Massacre. The Mormon church's misrepresentation of its history to its members and to the rest of the world is not just spin or whitewashing, it's fraud.
@@dumplechan I'm sure if I go to a Methodist or baptist or catholic or Islamic church, I am sure they spend very little time talking about the crusades. I joined the church in my adulthood, served a mission, have raised kids in the church. You are doing quite a bit of misrepresenting. "Someone could grow up in the mainline Mormon church and spend decades without knowing that other Mormon branches exist, or knowing about the existence of slavery in the Utah territory, or knowing about the Mountain Meadows Massacre".........if somebody doesn't know about these things, then they are lazy students.
@@Ether-pb5gb I don't think it's laziness. The phrase "There are none so blind as those who will not see" comes to mind. Mormons don't reject and attack the CES letter out of mere laziness.
@@dumplechan you know what else we really don't talk about in Sunday School? We don't talk about the chiasm of Alma 36, or chiasmus in general in the BofM, we don't often talk about Mary Whitmer as a Book of Mormon witness, we don't talk about Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner's affadavit about her personal visit with an angel, we don't talk about "The Night the Stars Fell" prophecy, we don't talk about how the Lord commanded Oliver Cowdery in D&C to take the gospel to the Lamanites and how he ended up visiting the San and Fox Indians who in later years were found to have Jewish DNA markers......there is a lot that is not covered in the 50 minutes of time that we have in Sunday School.
I was going to be baptized into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints! But now I know it's the wrong one! It's supposed to be The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints! Thanks brother Jake for saving me! I have no idea how would I explain this to God! Phew! And it's so easy!
News Flash: They're all wrong. Religion is fingers pointing at the moon. You don't have to be a finger to bask in the moonlight, you just have to be alive. I advise you to refer to Mr. Athiest on UA-cam.
I grew up RLDS,which was the Reorganized Church, (although they rejected the Pearl of Great Price, I didn't even know about it until a few years ago). I can't count how many times I had to try to explain that I "wasn't Mormon" when asked what church I went to. This is an (almost) perfect explanation! Thanks Brother Jake!!
+Denethor of Gondor -- Both the Community of Christ and LDS Church accept the Book of Mormon as a second canon of scripture and views it as an additional witness of Jesus Christ that complements the Bible. At a 2007 World Conference, Community of Christ President Stephen M. Veazey ruled that a resolution to "reaffirm the Book of Mormon as a divinely inspired record" was out of order. He stated that "while the Church affirms the Book of Mormon as scripture, and makes it available for study and use in various languages, we do not attempt to mandate the degree of belief or use. This position is in keeping with our longstanding tradition that belief in the Book of Mormon is not to be used as a test of fellowship or membership in the church." The LDS Church regularly emphasizes the importance of the Book of Mormon and encourages its members to read from it daily.
Hey Heather, I grew up Mormon (LDS) in Utah, though I'm not very religious nowadays. I have always wondered about the doctrines of the other branches. If you wouldn't mind, I would like to ask you a few questions. I'm not quite sure how I would communicate with you but if you are willing, just let me know and we could figure it out. Thanks
If only ever Mormon could watch this...well I mean ever Brighamite Mormon. Just to cover my basis I might as well get baptized in each branch just to make sure I'm saved.
I'm not a mormon and have never known a mormon but thanks to Brother Jake i actually understand a little about the religion of mormonism, thanks for the education and the entertaining way its delivered, great satire.
I live here in Wisconsin. The stangites technically still believe in polygamy but they also believe in keeping the law of the land. There would need to be an angelic revelation to reenact the practice as well as to give a successor.
Stuart Bisbee The current Utah Church still believes in the prophetic doctrine of polygamy, but the commandment was taken from the earth and will be restored sometime in the future and will be practiced in the Celestial Kingdom. The Church will never condemn any of the acts of Joseph Smith or Brigham Young.
@@observantori4893 As someone who left the church a couple years ago I would generally support what Steve said based on my knowledge of the church. They still believe in polygamy but do not teach it or practice it. I wouldn't say they will never disavow JS or BY, in fact they are quietly disavowing a lot of the racist things BY said, so that process has already started. If they do it too quickly though, people will leave the church for abandoning its foundation I think.
A revelation has occurred to me brothers and sisters. The true church will have not one but two hyphens in its name. Therefore I have come up with a new name for our humble church. "The Church of the Later-Day-Saints". We shall keep the doctrine literally as is, but everyone else is to be seen as a heretic. May they lack the ability to get in any of the three kingdoms. Amen.
strange how he practiced peophilia and committed adultery with other men's wives without the revelation too. come to think of it, strange how he committed adultery with dozens of women seeing as how bigamy is illegal in america.
I vote for the church to whose leader Joseph Smith handed down the golden plates, the urim and thumim, and the sword of Laban which had been prepared by god and sealed up in the Hill Cumorah to come forth in the Latter-days. . . oh, wait where did those super cool things end up anyway?
+Rob Poulson God took them because once they were seen by one guy and used as second hand evidence that the church was true it would damage faith to have actual evidence which is why the church is constantly looking and not finding any evidence because it shows that with the lack of real evidence that faith in the church is good because if it wasn't true god would allow evidence because faith in a false church would be bad.
That's a strange position for god to take, to play games with our faith, don't you think? And it doesn't make any sense that it would damage the church to have these sacred objects, especially since all the prophets in the book of mormon had those things passed down to them one by one from the days of Nephi and they were specifically sealed up by Moroni to be handed down to the church in this dispensation. Something seems inconsistent about the story . . .
Well the Uris and thumping would be great if it existed but didn’t Joseph use a magic stone In is hat, The sword of Laban would be great too but it’s in a hill where there are no caves, how about tens of thousands of the remains of Nephites and Lamanites who fought in the last great battle which lie in the ground at the hill Cumorah, well those don’t exist either. Well at least we have the gold plates, wherever they are.
It just goes to show how disorganized the church really is. They always tout how organized they are, and that that organization is an indicator of God's presence and leadership in the church. But none of the original apostles could even agree with each other about who would be the next prophet. Forget about "divine revelation". Everyone back then claimed to see visions, etc. all the time, but no one had a clue as to what to do after Joseph died. But yet we're supposed to believe. Are you kidding me? I've been done with the lds church for 3-4 years now (as well as all religion), and I haven't looked back!
You are performing an invaluable service with quite a good disarming sense of humor. We must thank God for allowing Mormonism to be invented so we can have this much fun deconstructing it. Carry on.
Yes, I as a TBM till age 50, I being a history buff, I studied in-depth the life Joseph Smith and the history of he Book of Abraham and like the song, it hit me like a wrecking girl ball, the church used make great sense to me till I had to line it up to it’s history. When I was a 19 year old missionary we used to that the early Christian Church was apostatized based on the scriptures and it’s history. Well my shelf was shattered my hero was a villain ( conman ) and Christianity was a morphing of Judaism.. So now I am done all religion.
I just finished reading the book Saints volume 2 and after hearing other saints left the church made their own church. I got interested on learning abo brother church, like how many church are there and what started or who started it. And watching this video explained everything! Thanks brother Jake! Go cougs😂
I probably would of used a picture of Glenn Beck as Strang. Because he's a new Mormon who seems to knoooowwww all about Mormonism and seems to have God's truths revealed to him. Another perfect explanation and thanks.
The different branches of Mormonism always confused me, thanks for explaining it to me. And thanks so much for pointing out which one is the correct branch! I would never have guessed there was such a stringent set of criteria to figure that out!
I can't tell if you're super sarcastic or just crazy. Either way, good video in terms of explaining the relations between Mormon sects. Very helpful in that regard, thank you.
Brother Jake, you determine polygamy the deciding factor for the true successor, yet the church hadn't adopted that at the time Joseph Smith died. True successor goes to *James Jesse Strang and the Strangites* ...and not because he's my great x4 grandfather, but even Joseph Smith's mother believed in Strang as the continuation of LDS. I believe her, she was there and living it. The rest is self-serving history written by the survivors. However I do appreciate your video, it helped me understand the branching a lot better. And the Tabernacle! Gotta hand it to you guys, it's an engineering marvel!
I grew up in the Community of Christ/RLDS church and the "R" stands for Reorganized, not reformed. The "remnant" church doesn't hold the copyright to RLDS and are using it illegally. Community of Christ still holds the copyright to "R.L.D.S."
When I went to the Salt Lake City temple I expected it to use candle lighting, and windows due to it being built before electric lighting was invented but it had electric lighting, and elevators. I found out that Brigham Young had received revelation that the temple needed to have empty chambers both narrow and small. Nobody understood why but they did it anyways because that's what the prophet commanded them to do. Later on, when electrical wiring was invented, they found that the narrow shafts were the right size for electrical wiring, and the larger shafts were in the right spot and the right size for elevators. That proves that Brigham Young was the rightful successor to Joseph Smith proving that the other "successors" were false. As for the people who broke away either during or after Brigham Young, they can't be right either because we're fulfilling the prophecy in Daniel 2:44, and they're not.
lol love the videos and the sarcasm . Just one knot not mentioned in the video. The church that J.S. organized changed it name a few time and it started out as the Church of Christ.
I wouldn't use "size" as the main argument, although it is clear which branch God has been blessing. I would go back to polygamy, which JS taught. I would also go to baptisms for the dead, which JS taught. Also, the gifts of the spirit abounding with the "Brighamites"
Nick Trayton The thing about that is while all of those branches of the Mormon church all claim to be Mormon, the protestant churches, do not claim to be Catholic!
There's also House of Aaron religion. It's a mormon offshoot, and if I'm not mistaken they rejected the book of Mormon. They are sabbath keepers that believes that they Aaron's descendants.
Hey Brother Jake! Do you have a list of all of the various branches that you talk about? I really want to see what kind of information/books are out there to learn more about them. Thanks! Love your videos!
You should check out this book that goes over the many branches of the Restoration. smile.amazon.com/Scattering-Saints-Schism-Within-Mormonism/dp/1934901024/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1471629664&sr=8-6&keywords=john+hamer
years ago there were 60. there's still a lot of polygamous off shoots in utah. check out youtube channel what love is this? it'll make your heart break.
I heard the followers of Strang used to follow Young followers and sing about having a prophet. I don't think Young was affirmed as the prophet, leader until 2 years after Joseph was killed
Brigham Young staged a show where he would speak at conference and folks would testify to have seen a vision of Joseph speaking in his instead. Maybe that's why Brighamite mormons today are so much into variety and theatrical entertainment.
Just made a new subscriber, by the way - If you don't have a video on the doctrine of exaltation yet, I'd love to see one. I find that aside from the icky race stuff in the church's past, getting missionaries to actually talk about exaltation is one of the harder things to get them honest about - They seem to hide teachings like that in an attempt to keep up the facade that they're just another Christian group like any other - Presumably because they know that if they told mainstream christians that "god used to be a mortal man" and "mortal men can become gods themselves", they'd be accused of heresy and ignored outright. I know for instance when Mitt Romney was running for president, he definitely tried to pass himself off as a normal christian and avoid questions about his specific beliefs. As an agnostic, I really couldnt care less that they're not "real christians" or whatever - it's just still irritating to see them trying to trick people all the same, ya know?
The largest Mormon offshoot, though few will admit it, are Seventh-day Adventists (who clearly got many of their ideas from the Mormons), and Jehovah's Witnesses in turn are an offshoot of the Adventists.
Historical fact, Mormons were the original Adventists, and the Millerites took off from there. Then, Mormon missionaries were sent to the Millerites to bring them back in line, giving rise to the little group which eventually became Seventh-day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses.
This is just like the succession crisis in Islam after Muhammad died . The partisans of the family of the prophet became the Shia, while the companions of the prophet became the Sunni.
I think this video may not be very successful in it's aim to clear up any misunderstanding about which Mormon church is actually the true one. Before watching this instructional video, I had a clear understanding and now, after watching it, I'm even more confused. It becomes even crazier when you think about how Brigham Young said so much crazy stuff, a lot of members don't even consider him an actual Prophet.
It's strange how much vitriol is preached towards Rigdon amongst the Brighamites when Rigdon had more of a claim to church leadership than Young did.....
there a fairly new one that has popped up called 'The Latter Day Church of Jesus Christ' with a total newly discover book "The Book of Jeraneck A Further Testimony of Jesus Christ".... sound legit ;-)
What was that crazy mormon offshoot where the leader killed a bunch of people? Where do they fit in in all of this? [Edit: after a quick googling to refresh my memory, they were the group under Ervil LeBaron - still would love to learn where they fit in this whole mess though lol - I _think_ they split over polygamy, so would they be somewhere near the far right of the chart, around where Kingston Group and Apostolic United Brethren are?)]
I just received a revelation from God and he has revealed to me that all of the LDS churches and sects on Earth are an abomination to his sight. Heavenly Father has ordained me to restore the true LDS church back to the Earth.
Strang wound up flip flopping on his Plagamy opposition. I live in South East Wisconsin, so the Strangites are practically right in my back yard. If I were to hypothetically become a Mormon I'd probably go with Temple Lot.
you missed one thing the Brighamites were not always called the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints.In fact the church that Brigham Young had started was called the Mormon Reformation. He had ordered all his followers in Utah to be rebaptized into the Mormon Reformation church. He also ordered the excommunication of all Blacks (African Americans) baptized by Joseph Smith because Brigham Young said Joseph had erred in the faith for giving the priesthood to the descendants of Cain. The Mormon reformation church was established in 1856 under the direction of President of the Church Brigham Young. During the Reformation, Young sent his counselor Jedediah M. Grant and other church leaders to preach to NEW GOSPEL of Blacks should not hold the priesthood and must be excommunicated immediately. This doctrine was forced on all followers of Brigham Young throughout Utah Territory and surrounding Mormon communities with the goal to build a church without the Lw of consecration and with the bank ZCMI with 10% tithing rather than a full tith of the law of sacrifice that waqs taught by Joseph Smith. As a result of the Reformation, all "active" or involved LDS Church members were rebaptized to obey Brigham Young´s new commandment.Several sermons by Willard Richards and George A. Smith that had been delivered earlier in the history of the LDS Church had touched on the concept of blood atonement, suggesting that apostates, were beyond the saving power of the blood of Christ and could be redeemed only by the voluntary shedding of their own blood. On September 21, 1856, while calling for sincere repentance by church members, Brigham Young took the idea further, and stated: "I know that there are transgressors, who, if they knew themselves and the only condition upon which they can obtain forgiveness, would beg of their brethren to shed their blood, that the smoke might ascend to God as an offering to appease the wrath that is kindled against them, and that the law might have its course.Young reiterated the concept in several other sermons during the Reformation period. Although this belief was never widely accepted by church members, it became part of the public image of the church at the time and was pilloried in eastern newspapers along with the practice of polygamy. During the subsequent history of the church, this concept was frequently criticized by church members and was formally repudiated as church doctrine in 1889 and again in 1978.
I learned more history in this nine minute video than I did in 18 years of being in the LDS church and graduating from seminary. If that does not tell you something IDK what would.
I have been around a lot of seminary students. Most of them lack the desire to go beyond the surface. If you are insinuating that the church is "hiding" it's history, you are wrong.
@@Ether-pb5gb I get your point that teaching Mormon history is not the point of seminary. The purpose of seminary is indoctrination (to ensure either "eternal salvation" or "a lifetime stream of tithing revenue", depending on how you judge that indoctrination). And I get your point that most seminary students are just putting in their time. But the Mormon church has a long and well-documented record of hiding and whitewashing its history. Someone could grow up in the mainline Mormon church and spend decades without knowing that other Mormon branches exist, or knowing about the existence of slavery in the Utah territory, or knowing about the Mountain Meadows Massacre. The Mormon church's misrepresentation of its history to its members and to the rest of the world is not just spin or whitewashing, it's fraud.
@@dumplechan I'm sure if I go to a Methodist or baptist or catholic or Islamic church, I am sure they spend very little time talking about the crusades. I joined the church in my adulthood, served a mission, have raised kids in the church. You are doing quite a bit of misrepresenting. "Someone could grow up in the mainline Mormon church and spend decades without knowing that other Mormon branches exist, or knowing about the existence of slavery in the Utah territory, or knowing about the Mountain Meadows Massacre".........if somebody doesn't know about these things, then they are lazy students.
@@Ether-pb5gb I don't think it's laziness. The phrase "There are none so blind as those who will not see" comes to mind. Mormons don't reject and attack the CES letter out of mere laziness.
@@dumplechan you know what else we really don't talk about in Sunday School? We don't talk about the chiasm of Alma 36, or chiasmus in general in the BofM, we don't often talk about Mary Whitmer as a Book of Mormon witness, we don't talk about Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner's affadavit about her personal visit with an angel, we don't talk about "The Night the Stars Fell" prophecy, we don't talk about how the Lord commanded Oliver Cowdery in D&C to take the gospel to the Lamanites and how he ended up visiting the San and Fox Indians who in later years were found to have Jewish DNA markers......there is a lot that is not covered in the 50 minutes of time that we have in Sunday School.
I was going to be baptized into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints! But now I know it's the wrong one! It's supposed to be The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints! Thanks brother Jake for saving me! I have no idea how would I explain this to God! Phew! And it's so easy!
Watch out, brother. That D is supposed to be lower case: Latter-day. At least, unless the prophet has updated things since my mission...
I am staying Catholic.
News Flash: They're all wrong. Religion is fingers pointing at the moon. You don't have to be a finger to bask in the moonlight, you just have to be alive. I advise you to refer to Mr. Athiest on UA-cam.
Conor Climo I pray that all Catholics do the same. There is no other church! God bless you!
I hope youre being sarcastic.
I miss you!
The largest branch of LDS is now X-Mormons!
It will never be bigger. The X-Mormons don't force their kids to join the X-Mormon branch. It's a 1-generation branch.
LDS will become extinct soon enough.
@@nerdnul If by soon you mean in a century or so...
@@nerdnul I know right! They're pooping out XLDS faster than they can con'em into the cult.
@@messengerofhope31 Watch TikToc. The app is filled with ex-Mormons.
I grew up RLDS,which was the Reorganized Church, (although they rejected the Pearl of Great Price, I didn't even know about it until a few years ago). I can't count how many times I had to try to explain that I "wasn't Mormon" when asked what church I went to. This is an (almost) perfect explanation! Thanks Brother Jake!!
+Heather Tipsword--Yes, it was the Reorganized Church not the Reformed Church.
+Heather Tipsword Hasn't the Reorganized Church/Community of Christ made the BoM optional? Thought I read that somewhere.
+Denethor of Gondor -- Both the Community of Christ and LDS Church accept the Book of Mormon as a second canon of scripture and views it as an additional witness of Jesus Christ that complements the Bible. At a 2007 World Conference, Community of Christ President Stephen M. Veazey ruled that a resolution to "reaffirm the Book of Mormon as a divinely inspired record" was out of order. He stated that "while the Church affirms the Book of Mormon as scripture, and makes it available for study and use in various languages, we do not attempt to mandate the degree of belief or use. This position is in keeping with our longstanding tradition that belief in the Book of Mormon is not to be used as a test of fellowship or membership in the church." The LDS Church regularly emphasizes the importance of the Book of Mormon and encourages its members to read from it daily.
Hey Heather, I grew up Mormon (LDS) in Utah, though I'm not very religious nowadays. I have always wondered about the doctrines of the other branches. If you wouldn't mind, I would like to ask you a few questions. I'm not quite sure how I would communicate with you but if you are willing, just let me know and we could figure it out.
Thanks
@@spicytranslations9604 Ask away. I left the church at age 18 or so which was many years ago so my memories may be foggy.
If only ever Mormon could watch this...well I mean ever Brighamite Mormon. Just to cover my basis I might as well get baptized in each branch just to make sure I'm saved.
The breakdown of the churches reminds me of the People's Front of Judea skit from Life of Brian.
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I'm not a mormon and have never known a mormon but thanks to Brother Jake i actually understand a little about the religion of mormonism, thanks for the education and the entertaining way its delivered, great satire.
Strang practiced polygamy, but the Strangites today do not. So, they practiced "just the right amount" also.
Great! Thanks! Now I have to attend two churches every Sunday!
I live here in Wisconsin. The stangites technically still believe in polygamy but they also believe in keeping the law of the land. There would need to be an angelic revelation to reenact the practice as well as to give a successor.
Stuart Bisbee The current Utah Church still believes in the prophetic doctrine of polygamy, but the commandment was taken from the earth and will be restored sometime in the future and will be practiced in the Celestial Kingdom. The Church will never condemn any of the acts of Joseph Smith or Brigham Young.
@@SteveSmith-os5bs What are your sources? Or are u just trolling? Exmo or Mormon?
@@observantori4893 As someone who left the church a couple years ago I would generally support what Steve said based on my knowledge of the church. They still believe in polygamy but do not teach it or practice it. I wouldn't say they will never disavow JS or BY, in fact they are quietly disavowing a lot of the racist things BY said, so that process has already started. If they do it too quickly though, people will leave the church for abandoning its foundation I think.
Doing the Lord's work this beautiful Sabbath! I like to see those critics of the one True True Church try to argue with your impeccable logic.
Brother Jake, I’ve sent your channel to dozens of my friends and many of my Mormon cousins. I appreciate your work.
A revelation has occurred to me brothers and sisters. The true church will have not one but two hyphens in its name. Therefore I have come up with a new name for our humble church. "The Church of the Later-Day-Saints". We shall keep the doctrine literally as is, but everyone else is to be seen as a heretic. May they lack the ability to get in any of the three kingdoms. Amen.
T-h-e-C-h-u-r-c-h-o-f-J-e-s-u-s-C-h-r-i-s-t-o-f-L-a-t-t-e-r--d-a-y-S-a-i-n-t-s
+tacojohn9 This is the true church. I can feel it in my heart
+tacojohn9 The Church of Jesus Christ o' Flatter day Saints
+TheDamped Up top!
May your divine inspiration open legs in your wake brother.
Thank you, Brother Jake, for clearly explaining the sheer silliness of Mormonism....in all its iterations.
I judge the truthiness by who got the sealed portion first. Chris Nemelka won, guys. He is the clear choice.
These videos are always good for a laugh, thanks Jake.
Strange how Joseph Smith was practising polygamy long before he got a "revelation" from God.
strange how he practiced peophilia and committed adultery with other men's wives without the revelation too. come to think of it, strange how he committed adultery with dozens of women seeing as how bigamy is illegal in america.
Love the comparison of successors to characters in Mad Men! 😁
lots of love brother Jake from the community of of christ
I almost wish that I had been brought up Mormon so that I could better appreciate Brother Jake.
+redo348 Trust me, you got the better end of the deal
Sabrina Kirk I can assure you that the "almost" is English understatement.
Sooo so so many questions answered. In ALL your videos. Thank you. I am going to use your videos to explain a lot to my family
Thank you brother Jake for clearing that up.
Never been a Mormon, but as a Christian I have watched it split and split and split just in my short 62 years. So now I just sleep in on Sundays.
Clear as mud in a beer bottle at midnight!
In the depth of a cave where no light will can ever reach, filled with a million fog machines running full-blast, where no human eyes will ever peer.
I vote for the church to whose leader Joseph Smith handed down the golden plates, the urim and thumim, and the sword of Laban which had been prepared by god and sealed up in the Hill Cumorah to come forth in the Latter-days. . . oh, wait where did those super cool things end up anyway?
+Rob Poulson God took them because once they were seen by one guy and used as second hand evidence that the church was true it would damage faith to have actual evidence which is why the church is constantly looking and not finding any evidence because it shows that with the lack of real evidence that faith in the church is good because if it wasn't true god would allow evidence because faith in a false church would be bad.
That's a strange position for god to take, to play games with our faith, don't you think? And it doesn't make any sense that it would damage the church to have these sacred objects, especially since all the prophets in the book of mormon had those things passed down to them one by one from the days of Nephi and they were specifically sealed up by Moroni to be handed down to the church in this dispensation. Something seems inconsistent about the story . . .
Lol. God: "I'm going to take this sword to heaven with me. I don't want people believing too hard."
Well the Uris and thumping would be great if it existed but didn’t Joseph use a magic stone In is hat, The sword of Laban would be great too but it’s in a hill where there are no caves, how about tens of thousands of the remains of Nephites and Lamanites who fought in the last great battle which lie in the ground at the hill Cumorah, well those don’t exist either. Well at least we have the gold plates, wherever they are.
@@trueinar It's like the existence of the Babel Fish proving the non-existence of God.
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Oh holy hyphen, how holy art thou...
Thanks for your videos.
It just goes to show how disorganized the church really is. They always tout how organized they are, and that that organization is an indicator of God's presence and leadership in the church. But none of the original apostles could even agree with each other about who would be the next prophet. Forget about "divine revelation". Everyone back then claimed to see visions, etc. all the time, but no one had a clue as to what to do after Joseph died. But yet we're supposed to believe. Are you kidding me?
I've been done with the lds church for 3-4 years now (as well as all religion), and I haven't looked back!
Just as Satan wants it.
Tinfoil hats will be mailed to you by Relief Society sometime next year.
Nice picture of John Slattery and great connection to Mad Men. You find the best pics from movie and tv to explain your point.
Loved it! Kudos, Jake. Glad you're still at it.
You are performing an invaluable service with quite a good disarming sense of humor.
We must thank God for allowing Mormonism to be invented so we can have this much fun deconstructing it.
Carry on.
Been looking for a great overview of Mormon splinter groups for ages, awesome work!
Yes, I as a TBM till age 50, I being a history buff, I studied in-depth the life Joseph Smith and the history of he Book of Abraham and like the song, it hit me like a wrecking girl ball, the church used make great sense to me till
I had to line it up to it’s history. When I was a 19 year old missionary we used to that the early Christian Church was apostatized based on the scriptures and it’s history. Well my shelf was shattered my hero was a villain ( conman ) and Christianity was a morphing of Judaism.. So now I am done all religion.
Love you, Brother Jake!
Hahaha... "they don't have, like, a hyphen"
So funny. That part has always confused me but this video clearly spells it out, thanks.
The holy hyphen!
I just finished reading the book Saints volume 2 and after hearing other saints left the church made their own church. I got interested on learning abo brother church, like how many church are there and what started or who started it. And watching this video explained everything! Thanks brother Jake! Go cougs😂
it all comes down to prayer and personal revelation. pray and it will be known to you. right.
wow, I am just fucking loving your videos. So informative and entertaining at the same time.
I absolutely love your work!!
Thank you!
I probably would of used a picture of Glenn Beck as Strang. Because he's a new Mormon who seems to knoooowwww all about Mormonism and seems to have God's truths revealed to him. Another perfect explanation and thanks.
+Thomas Moore "...probably would *have*..." - /pedantic advocacy for literacy
+Thomas Moore While I do like the idea of Glenn Beck, that wouldn't fit the Mad Men theme going on up there.
rich Yeah. I just love listening to Beck's theories and cluelessness that he passes as "gospel" and how close he is following Strang's M.O.
Genius! And informative. 😀
The different branches of Mormonism always confused me, thanks for explaining it to me. And thanks so much for pointing out which one is the correct branch! I would never have guessed there was such a stringent set of criteria to figure that out!
This is amazing and I am mad at myself for not finding it sooner.
Three thumbs up just for the Mad Men icons.
Ironically Ted Choate is played by Kevin Rahm, a BYU alum and LDS RM.
Now it's easyer to understand about Mormonism.
I check my UA-cam way too often just to see if maybe you put out another video. 😂 I love these videos.
I can't tell if you're super sarcastic or just crazy. Either way, good video in terms of explaining the relations between Mormon sects. Very helpful in that regard, thank you.
My head is pounding
Brother Jake, you determine polygamy the deciding factor for the true successor, yet the church hadn't adopted that at the time Joseph Smith died. True successor goes to *James Jesse Strang and the Strangites* ...and not because he's my great x4 grandfather, but even Joseph Smith's mother believed in Strang as the continuation of LDS. I believe her, she was there and living it. The rest is self-serving history written by the survivors. However I do appreciate your video, it helped me understand the branching a lot better. And the Tabernacle! Gotta hand it to you guys, it's an engineering marvel!
Love this almost too much
Do a video on planet Kolob pretty please
You should add parts about temple rites in the non Brighamite branches
I love this stuff!
Great video Brother Jake. Several slight errors but you done good.
I think The Beach Boys were Mormons.
🎶10 girls for every boy🎵🎶
I grew up in the Community of Christ/RLDS church and the "R" stands for Reorganized, not reformed. The "remnant" church doesn't hold the copyright to RLDS and are using it illegally. Community of Christ still holds the copyright to "R.L.D.S."
Hilarious and all true. They are so screwed up.
well, now THAT'S cleared up. Plain and simple truths! from the mouths of babes.
It's a shame that you don' have more followers. Keep up the great work.
When I went to the Salt Lake City temple I expected it to use candle lighting, and windows due to it being built before electric lighting was invented but it had electric lighting, and elevators. I found out that Brigham Young had received revelation that the temple needed to have empty chambers both narrow and small. Nobody understood why but they did it anyways because that's what the prophet commanded them to do. Later on, when electrical wiring was invented, they found that the narrow shafts were the right size for electrical wiring, and the larger shafts were in the right spot and the right size for elevators. That proves that Brigham Young was the rightful successor to Joseph Smith proving that the other "successors" were false. As for the people who broke away either during or after Brigham Young, they can't be right either because we're fulfilling the prophecy in Daniel 2:44, and they're not.
Yes, that proves it. 🤪
Alex808thegreat
You forgot about the other branch of the Mormon Church. "The Church of Brother Jake" Thank you for another great sermon.
lol love the videos and the sarcasm . Just one knot not mentioned in the video. The church that J.S. organized changed it name a few time and it started out as the Church of Christ.
oh jeez, was that a brother jake bobble head i spotted?
could that please be a real thing, id buy it :D
It was supposed to be his brother Hyrum , but he was killed along with Joseph
B Jake has an new video? YASSSSS
"reorganised" not "reformed" church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints
I wouldn't use "size" as the main argument, although it is clear which branch God has been blessing. I would go back to polygamy, which JS taught. I would also go to baptisms for the dead, which JS taught. Also, the gifts of the spirit abounding with the "Brighamites"
Do one on all the Churches that came from the CATHOLIC CHURCH.
Nick Trayton The thing about that is while all of those branches of the Mormon church all claim to be Mormon, the protestant churches, do not claim to be Catholic!
I still say Community of Christ is the legit one
One quibble, since Peggy is the spiritual successor to Don Draper, I would have made one of the spin offs Peggy with a moustache lol
Yeah what he said.
With the one true church. One with the many changes of doctrines.
There's also House of Aaron religion. It's a mormon offshoot, and if I'm not mistaken they rejected the book of Mormon.
They are sabbath keepers that believes that they Aaron's descendants.
Hey Brother Jake! Do you have a list of all of the various branches that you talk about? I really want to see what kind of information/books are out there to learn more about them. Thanks! Love your videos!
You should check out this book that goes over the many branches of the Restoration. smile.amazon.com/Scattering-Saints-Schism-Within-Mormonism/dp/1934901024/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1471629664&sr=8-6&keywords=john+hamer
years ago there were 60. there's still a lot of polygamous off shoots in utah. check out youtube channel what love is this? it'll make your heart break.
I heard the followers of Strang used to follow Young followers and sing about having a prophet. I don't think Young was affirmed as the prophet, leader until 2 years after Joseph was killed
I may have missed it but I believe you forgot the Church of Christ with the Elijah message?? Where do they spend off of
Brigham Young staged a show where he would speak at conference and folks would testify to have seen a vision of Joseph speaking in his instead.
Maybe that's why Brighamite mormons today are so much into variety and theatrical entertainment.
I feel like I need a safe word before I jump into this.
Just made a new subscriber, by the way - If you don't have a video on the doctrine of exaltation yet, I'd love to see one. I find that aside from the icky race stuff in the church's past, getting missionaries to actually talk about exaltation is one of the harder things to get them honest about - They seem to hide teachings like that in an attempt to keep up the facade that they're just another Christian group like any other - Presumably because they know that if they told mainstream christians that "god used to be a mortal man" and "mortal men can become gods themselves", they'd be accused of heresy and ignored outright. I know for instance when Mitt Romney was running for president, he definitely tried to pass himself off as a normal christian and avoid questions about his specific beliefs. As an agnostic, I really couldnt care less that they're not "real christians" or whatever - it's just still irritating to see them trying to trick people all the same, ya know?
The largest Mormon offshoot, though few will admit it, are Seventh-day Adventists (who clearly got many of their ideas from the Mormons), and Jehovah's Witnesses in turn are an offshoot of the Adventists.
Historical fact, Mormons were the original Adventists, and the Millerites took off from there. Then, Mormon missionaries were sent to the Millerites to bring them back in line, giving rise to the little group which eventually became Seventh-day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses.
You left out the part where Bring'em Young sounded just like Joseph in a speech, proving his legitimacy as the successor.
I recently converted and i have no idea what branch i belon to anymore XD
Hey, are you still there? I hope you're alright
This is just like the succession crisis in Islam after Muhammad died .
The partisans of the family of the prophet became the Shia, while the companions of the prophet became the Sunni.
I think this video may not be very successful in it's aim to clear up any misunderstanding about which Mormon church is actually the true one. Before watching this instructional video, I had a clear understanding and now, after watching it, I'm even more confused.
It becomes even crazier when you think about how Brigham Young said so much crazy stuff, a lot of members don't even consider him an actual Prophet.
+Dan Hildreth What exactly are you confused about?
+Kevin Dodd It just isn't obvious on what Joseph Smith wanted... He restored the Church, and it just seems screwed up with this next Prophet thing...
+Dan Hildreth sucks to be mormon lol
1841 sidney rigdon ordained as prophet, seer, revelator of church.
Weird how THE MOMENT a religion founder dies the whole church starts to split left and right
Especially the ones screaming they are the mostest, bestest correctest religion like Mormonism and Islam. (Yes, I used improper English)
"The church with just the right amount of polygamy is the correct one." lol. It's that holy hyphen.
Wait... what happened to Joseph Smith the Second?
Joseph Smith the prophet of Mormonism is Joseph Smith the II. Technically he's Joseph Smith Jr. with his father being Joseph Smith Sr.
Yes, but what about the followers of Amahl Abu Sufyan?
Oh wait, sorry, got a little confused.
It's strange how much vitriol is preached towards Rigdon amongst the Brighamites when Rigdon had more of a claim to church leadership than Young did.....
bringhamites still practiced pologomay even after it was said it was wrong
there a fairly new one that has popped up called 'The Latter Day Church
of Jesus Christ' with a total newly discover book "The Book of Jeraneck
A Further Testimony of Jesus Christ".... sound legit ;-)
Thuggee. Yes, apparently the guy found the book on his door-step when he was getting the milk in.
Your Wonderful
What was that crazy mormon offshoot where the leader killed a bunch of people? Where do they fit in in all of this? [Edit: after a quick googling to refresh my memory, they were the group under Ervil LeBaron - still would love to learn where they fit in this whole mess though lol - I _think_ they split over polygamy, so would they be somewhere near the far right of the chart, around where Kingston Group and Apostolic United Brethren are?)]
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Brighamites are the biggest because they struck gold, literally, which ironically was Smith's whole piratical obsession from the start
Although James Strang initially opposed polygamy, he eventually became a polygamist himself.
I just received a revelation from God and he has revealed to me that all of the LDS churches and sects on Earth are an abomination to his sight. Heavenly Father has ordained me to restore the true LDS church back to the Earth.
Strang wound up flip flopping on his Plagamy opposition. I live in South East Wisconsin, so the Strangites are practically right in my back yard.
If I were to hypothetically become a Mormon I'd probably go with Temple Lot.
you missed one thing the Brighamites were not always called the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints.In fact the church that Brigham Young had started was called the Mormon Reformation. He had ordered all his followers in Utah to be rebaptized into the Mormon Reformation church. He also ordered the excommunication of all Blacks (African Americans) baptized by Joseph Smith because Brigham Young said Joseph had erred in the faith for giving the priesthood to the descendants of Cain. The Mormon reformation church was established in 1856 under the direction of President of the Church Brigham Young. During the Reformation, Young sent his counselor Jedediah M. Grant and other church leaders to preach to NEW GOSPEL of Blacks should not hold the priesthood and must be excommunicated immediately. This doctrine was forced on all followers of Brigham Young throughout Utah Territory and surrounding Mormon communities with the goal to build a church without the Lw of consecration and with the bank ZCMI with 10% tithing rather than a full tith of the law of sacrifice that waqs taught by Joseph Smith. As a result of the Reformation, all "active" or involved LDS Church members were rebaptized to obey Brigham Young´s new commandment.Several sermons by Willard Richards and George A. Smith that had been delivered earlier in the history of the LDS Church had touched on the concept of blood atonement, suggesting that apostates,
were beyond the saving power of the blood of Christ and could be
redeemed only by the voluntary shedding of their own blood. On September
21, 1856, while calling for sincere repentance by church members,
Brigham Young took the idea further, and stated: "I know that there are
transgressors, who, if they knew themselves and the only condition upon
which they can obtain forgiveness, would beg of their brethren to shed
their blood, that the smoke might ascend to God as an offering to
appease the wrath that is kindled against them, and that the law might
have its course.Young reiterated the concept in several other sermons during the
Reformation period. Although this belief was never widely accepted by
church members, it became part of the public image of the church at the
time and was pilloried in eastern newspapers along with the practice of
polygamy. During the subsequent history of the church, this concept was
frequently criticized by church members and was formally repudiated as
church doctrine in 1889 and again in 1978.