DUHHHHH! saying "He is totally going to Super VIP Heaven" implies that at some point in the past you have doubted this. HOW DARE YOU. You're totally only making it to the Terrestrial Kingdom. They probably only have 3G there.
It seems like verse 4 is much more a warning of all of our wholesome foods and medicines being refined, synthesized and perverted, than it is about just 4 refined don'ts ("thus saith the Lord")? I can think of thousands of newer synthesized don'ts ("foods & medicines") which will do us in faster than those old refined 4 don'ts of the "temperance movement," taking away our health and wisdom. Still, verse 2 says it is not to be commanded or constrained, forced, coerced, shamed, guilted, punished, and heaven denied, in it's wholesome form or based on a fabricated definition just as refined and as corrupt as the refined and synthesized drugs and "foods" it really seems to warn of?
Brother Jake, in life you can laugh or cry. You make me laugh. Thank you so much. The best humor is rooted in truth and you are a genius. May God bless you!
Hey, I just learned that Pres. Hinckley said caffeinated drinks were also part of the WoW. I was always taught that they were not included since the Church OWNED the Coca Cola bottling plant in the early decades of the 20th century. Hmm.
Biggest bunch of crap is the whole tea thing. Grew up with this fear of tea, and then all of a sudden Herbal tea was ok... then I go on a mission to Germany, northern Germany, where they drink a lot of tea. In the English version of Preach My Gospel, the rule said no "tea" in the German version it said no "black tea" I asked my mission president, and he said it's best to avoid tea in general. Really all it comes down to these days is the image you keep. We drank non-alcoholic beer as missionaries in Germany with members, until another group of missionaries tattled, saying it doesn't keep the image up as members of the church, and then there was a mission-wide ban on non-alcoholic drinks. Most Utah Mormons care more about the image, than actually following the rules, which is why members get away with looking at porn and also get away with trouble at home. Just as long as everyone shows up to church with a smile, so that no one knows. (my mom and step dad fight, and at one point, my step dad lived with his mom for 6 months, and would drive to our place every Sunday, put a smile on, and act like nothing was wrong, just to keep the image up. It's dumb, and it's because of that that they're still together... gotta keep that "happy" image up!... fuck, I hate living here in Utah)
mkhpsyco old post is old but I have to agree with this. Mormonisim is All about image and keeping the family looking happy when in reality a lot of shit happens.
lived with my mormon family all my life so far and and this is spot on. The many times when we were most miserable when my parents pretended the hardest. However these bottled up emotions don' really go nowhere as most people should know.
Yep! 5 worst years of my life spent in SLC. Never experienced being prejudiced against due to my long hair and beard. Couldn't get a job for three months, cut my hair and shaved the beard and the VERY NEXT DAY I was hired. Way to go on the "judge not" thing.
I guess we all have our own experiences/ understanding. I’m not a perfect person, my family is not perfect either, which is exactly why I go to church. What about hope? What about aspiring to be something better than we are? Am I just a hypocrite if I’m a hot head person that hopes one day I can be a more gentle person? Maybe I’m still not there. If I feel like these teachings help that what’s the problem? If a family spends time together trying to be a family if only for an hour, if only at church, What’s bad about that?
@kcb5336 um the problem is is that the TSCC is built on polygamy, scams, and tithes. Poor mormons suffer while the leadership gets another second anointing and views themselves above mere mortals. That's why the LDS church is in free fall atm. It's worse now then when this was posted
These are great. It takes me back to when I was a missionary and we got people to dump their alcohol and we took their coffee machines (it was rare to see a missionary apartment in my mission that didn't have at least one coffee machine stashed somewhere.
I guess I was a bad missionary but I never did anything as radical. Even back then I had a "live and let live, I cannot force anyone's choices" attitude. I felt a little bad about after my mission, felt like I could have done much more, that I didn't give 100%. Now the whole thing makes me laugh.
+Mick Brenton Iced black tea and iced coffee are cold hot drinks so still not okay. I mean it isn't the characteristics described in the word of wisdom but the random crap later said about them that matter.
You know you're right! I am smarter than that! I'll try the Westbro Babtist crew, they've been getting publicity lately! Do you think they will mind that my son is gay and in the armed forces?
Sweeeeet video! (Fun WoW facts: Coffee and Tea were added to the Temperance Movement by the extra zealous being more patriotic by opposing Tea and Coffee trades run by the British. Tea and coffee have since been repeatedly shown significantly healthful "in moderation" in more and more studies where smokers are now omitted from study participants to avoid skewing results as previously. Also in the 20th century, zealots had a comma inserted in verse 13 between the words "...used, only..." to effectively reverse the meaning as desired by some, which now makes the doctored version in direct opposition to D&C 49: 18-19 instead of reinforcing it like the two verses reinforced each other for a century. Despite Joseph's use of tobacco, alcohol, coffee and tea after he revealed the WoW, he actually complied more fully with true spirit and intent of the WoW, below, than we do today with our "commanded and constrained" letter of the law, enshrined, refined down "4 sacred Don'ts" alone "WoW" version.) The book "Saints" simply does a horrible job explaining the wholesome and Full meanings still found right in the Word of Wisdom if we "have eyes to see and ears to hear" the actual words which still speak to us, If we will listen, and study history, We no longer understand nor apply the core warning properly as it was meant (verse 4) which is as the early prophets all taught before and only shortly after 1900. Instead we latched on to Hyrum's 1843 supposition that verse 4 could be warning about the British possibly poisoning coffee and tea since they control the trade. Better to just be patriotic and not poisoned by the British... So, we still "cut the end off the ham and toss it since grandma did that so it would fit in her smaller pot... " Do we even care to understand that, and also the gist of the whole, and to stop nitpicking and enforcing Letter-of-the-Law, and the actual damage done? The WoW in it's wholesome and intended form (still in print) can never be commanded lest a daily changing Huge list of growing don'ts And Do's could be compiled and maintained and forever edited as more of what is warned of in verse 4, Gadiantons and their counterfeit "foods" and "medicines," comes about. Such an accounting can't be maintained nor commanded, thus verse 2 to keep us thinking for ourselves through agency, and also to keep plentiful modern Pharisees, hijacking our growing understanding and agency, at bay. Have we lost the whole, the WoW higher law, simplified spirit of the law, in favor of the letter-of-the law, again? I was inspired, after fasting 5 years ago, to do research on the history including prophet and leader quotes referring to the WoW to write my faith-promoting booklet on the true, wholesome meaning and roots of the WoW, how it really can give us wisdom and health unfailing, as promised. Try as we may, most just can't get either, unfailing wisdom or unfailing health. Why? We change and defile the words of God, stuffing more and more words in His mouth, resulting in endless con-tradictions, in His name? (Hint: The bible has done the same. We never see that so plainly, it was always there challenging us, until we allow ourselves to have "eyes to see and ears to hear.") Researching quotes and history was wild, a conglomeration and contradictions and not what we are told at all, a 69+ year war by some "Pharisaical" Leaders, but not most, suppressing free will as forbidden right in the WoW verse 2. The war was over before it started, as all 5 prophets of the 1800 had to constantly remind those pushing for more Law. Satan's Plan finally won out in 1902 and 1920 and the WoW became "Mormon Super prohibition" being finally refined down to little good, and enforced. The WoW was even enforced as a new sentinel to Christ's Kingdom on earth and heaven. "Obey what defies Christ's true Words of Wisdom, or else, no entrance. Remember when Jesus blasted the Pharisees for that, repeatedly? Does our current "Word of Wisdom" sound like it is still of Christ or of His eternal truth, or from Pharisees? "You may not enter unless you submit to and obey the refined, hollow version of the WoW." Does that remotely sound like Jesus? Why? Why not? Sure, we can twist it all the way around, "for Jesus." I just could not finish writing the booklet since the history is not very faith promoting but is witness of corruption and a continuation of the war in heaven, but, Satan won this battle, forcing "goodness" for your own good, in this battle. Such a historically well documented booklet would only be an expose on Pharisaical traditions of men and forced changes by Them, of Those who oppose christ and "kick against the pricks" in His name. Jesus kept warning against that too. Such a booklet of WoW truths and real meaning and twisting it may not fare well as the originally intended and inspired faith promoting WoW booklet I had in mind, "The Real Word of Wisdom." Removing all letter-of-the-law items leaves only verses 2-4,10,11 for care meaning instruction, which are actually the true heart of the meaning of the WoW as it was given and originally practiced and taught by most, but not by all. Remember, some were negatively impacted by loved ones with alcohol problems or a dirty to destructive tobacco habit. They wanted it stopped and commanded, for the greater good, said and done with. They got what they demanded, forced physical, mental and spiritual compliance. I can see Christ shaking His head. We didn't get it, we refuse to "have eyes to see and ears to hear." We were going to go the extra mile, force more goodness and salvation of body, mind and spirit. We were going to fashion whips to whip each other and ourselves back into line..., which has done the exact opposite, as warned in advance. Verses 2,4,10,11 are what will give you those fine promises of health and wisdom," and they can't be forced or enforced (..."not by commandment or constraint."). Benefiting to the highest degree is not found by following damning and demanding Pharisaical practices, which they know for fact have come from "God." Have we become blinded to the "vast forest of God's health, healing and wisdom" (keep it wholesome and avoid the refined foods and fake medicine, counterfeits of the wholesome which God gave us which He recommends in His Words of Wisdom?) due to worshiping "4 sacred trees" which leave us exposed to countless and growing toxic "foods" and "medicines?" The letter of the law blinds us to the big picture. We miss the true benefits offered for free will. We love Satan's Plan that much, we would rather be commanded in every detail? All 5 prophets of the 1800's used the 4 don'ts in moderation and taught it that way plus they taught using wholesome foods and herbs so you could stay very clear of surgeons and the "poison doctors" which Leaders push today, and the church invests in. Who are those "conspiring men of the last days" in verse 4? Brigham Young had a distillery and winery (Wine Mission). The now forbidden 4 don'ts were sold at ZCMI, right through the 1800's into the very early 20th century. They were not hypocrites. We are today, Pharisees and blind followers, as Christ warned us against, over and over, in His WoW too. Instead of avoiding all refined foods and refined and synthesized, patented medicines (verse 4), we now worship them and the church itself invests in them, even though the central warning of the WoW at the heart of the WoW, Verse 4 warning directly against such, as the very core WoW message. Have they become one? Look closer at who those "conspiring men in the last days" have really become, taking your health and wisdom surely away by obedience. "Obedience is the first law of...." Satan's Plan? Verse 2. Matt 15 14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. Matt 23 24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. 25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. 27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. If you can handle that, read D&C 89: 2,4,10,11 and then Mormon 8:32-41 then Ether 8: 23-25 then 1 Nephi 8: 4-9 and 2 Nephi 28: 5, 11-24 and 1 Nephi 16: 2,3 and D&C 46: 4-8 and so on, IF truth does not offend you. We Were warned very well. No wonder so many sick and dying around us in church, or too sick to come out, despite religiously living "the Word of Wisdom" and not seeing verses 2 and especially 4 and then 10,11 and thus receiving nothing of the promises in verses 18-21? We could justify and explain that away? "Obedience is the first law of..." ... Satan's Plan? Matt 15: 14
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So glad you mentioned milk! In such a confusing non-commandment, one might think that something like drinking the milk of another species might actually be prohibited, especially when studies suggest that it probably doesn't have much benefit at all for our bodies and a lot of people are lactose intolerant. But what can you do?
Don't forget the literal liters of "mixed sodas" that people in Utah drink b/c "well, we don't drink tea, coffee, or booze, so we can have this daily 44oz soda with extra sugar (sometimes in the form of fruit, but often just syrups) and cream added."
My understanding is the hot drinks thing comes from a misunderstanding of stimulants. They knew that these hot beverages were stimulants, but at the time it was thought that the heat was causing the stimulation by expanding the capillaries, it was only later that the compound caffeine was discovered and understood to be causing the stimulation. Great Video!!
You know whats funny, President Uchtdorf always has a caffeinated cold Dr. Pepper at dinner time. Source: Me, I served it to him while working at the JSMB at least twice, at his request mind you. I mean apostles are just men.. right? not perfect in any sense.. right??
+WWZenaDo Depends on the leader you listen to. Depression is really something that you can control by praying and serving and going to church more...didn't you know? ;)
+Cassandra Austen so mormonism is okay with dead depressed people? id be dead without my meds no matter how much fucking praying i did depression is not something you can just fucking will away, ugh anyone who tells people who need their meds like me that they should just pray should be arrested, because id be dead depression isnt just being sad, clinical depression can be really serious
luke V Jehovah's Witnesses are just as bad. Although their magazines aimed at the general public position them as open-minded about going to psychiatrists, psychologists, therapists & using drug therapy, the internal advice given to baptized members tends to be exactly what the Mormon leaders tell their followers - pray more, go out knocking on peoples' doors & convert them to Jehovah's Witnesses more - oh, and don't go to college. Just be a low-paid service-industry worker, & send as much as you can to the leaders who strongly discourage not only higher education, but also job ambition, overtime, and saving for one's retirement.
Brent Searle The information in this article prompted my comment: abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/story?id=4403731 According to that article, two studies have shown Utah to be "the most depressed state in the country". "A recent study by Mental Health America, the country's oldest independent mental health advocacy organization, ranked Utah the most depressed state in the country. Another survey released last week by drug distribution company Express Scripts found that residents of Utah were prescribed antidepressant drugs more than those of any other state and at twice the national average."
Jake, Jake, Jake.... I was holding my breath to be enlightened about how iced tea and iced coffee were actually "hot drinks". I'm still holding my breath and no, I'm not throwing a tantrum. Well, not like a REAL tantrum.
When I went to Sunday school, we actually read D&C Section 89 even though it conflicted with the current Word of Wisdom in several ways. I never understood why it didn't just say what it meant.
More words are spoken about eating flesh than the other laws. Please talk about eating flesh and how the Lord wants us to refrain from eating it and we will be blessed for it. Peace and love ❤️
Brilliant as usual. One point I wish you had made is this: chocolate (including hot chocolate) has small amounts of caffeine in it - therefore, small amounts of caffeine must somehow be OK...
Chocolate has 43 mg of caffeine in 100 grams which times 5 is 215 mg of caffeine in 500 grams versus the most caffeine containing energy drink out there (Monster energy) which has 36 mg of caffeine in 100 grams so in 500 grams of Monster contains 180 mg of caffeine so chocolate contains 35 milligrams more caffeine than the most caffeine containing energy drink.
Also chocolate has more caffeine than regular black coffee which has 40 mg in 100 grams so coffee has 200 mg of caffeine in 500 grams of coffee. But there is this Espresso that has 212 mg of caffeine in 100 grams and by so has 1,06 grams of caffeine in 500 grams.
My bad. For some reason, I thought you were talking about those 5-hour-energy drinks, which have more than twice the caffeine per weight as chocolate. But you're totally right about those huge drinks that are mostly sugar water.
+AxelQC Not aged differently, *preserved* differently. Black tea is allowed to oxidize, which raises its caffeine content and changes a few other properties. Green tea is steamed or pan fried (depending where it comes from) and has lower caffeine and higher amino acid levels. Oolong is somewhere in the middle. This was an area of great contention while I was at BYU-I.
+Eric Morrison Aged and preserved are the same thing. It's still the same plant, and caffeine is not specifically against the WoW. So, if you are a Mormon, arguing green tea vs black tea as kosher is the same as arguing blue cheese vs. Roquefort.
You have a point, but considering green tea wasn't widely available in the USA until the 1970's makes me think it couldn't possibly have been prohibited by early Mormons. There is an argument against black tea for people who are caffeine sensitive or prone to ulcers, but green tea has shown nothing but positive health benefits. If the WoW claims to be pro-health, then it's not as simple as blue vs Roquefort.
+Eric Morrison It's the exact same leaf! It's like saying baked potatoes are bad but funeral potatoes are kosher. As for black tea, its health properties are well established. Oolong tea, which is the intermediate stage of fermentation, is known to help with weight loss.
Anti-theist here with a point of fact: The "strong drinks are not for the belly but for the washing of your bodies" is saying that it is OK for Mormons to use alcohol for medical anti-septic purposes, such as cleaning wounds. A surprising practical exemption, and once I doubt the early Mormons would have survived without.
One time I read the obituary of a man who was a recognized authority on all types of alcoholic mixed drinks, wrote several books about them, was also a longtime alcoholic and was never in the church. The obituary sounded like he'd devoted most of his life to being a drinker, bartender, and writer about alcohol. But he still got a Mormon funeral by a Mormon member of his family. I don't know whether he wanted one or not. I was certainly surprised by someone with a life so un-Mormon getting such a funeral. What I'd like to know is what are the rules, would they give an openly gay person such a funeral, and how common are such funerals in the church?
Exactly, the key here is OBEDIENCE even when in times it all seems " ridiculous or even extreme ". We follow a LIVING PROPHET with current and continuing revelation from God, according to God's wisdom. Will we choose to be offended if a living PROPHET reveals that it is ok to drink wine moderately per say? I'm not looking forward for that to happen, but my point is, follow the LIVING PROPHET. Awesome video brother Jake.... 👍
Either God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, or He isn't. If He is, the word of wisdom shouldn't need to be rewritten by every prophet from Joseph Smith to Russel M. Nelson. If He isn't, then God would cease to be God because He would no longer be omniscient, nor would He be the God of the books of scripture held sacred by Latter-Day Saints. I could stand to believe that the Word of Wisdom is an ongoing revelation if it had been following modern understandings of what's safe to put in the body, which would mean the original version not including tobacco in the list of prohibited items. Not the case. Ergo, not an ongoing revelation. The changes in the church's official stance on things like caffeinated soda and hot chocolate are so frequent as to make them very obviously the opinions of men and not of God.
Wait, I thought green tea had more caffeine than black tea. And green tea is the grey area? And what about decaff coffee and tea, are they OK? I'm so confused
whisper180 I don't remember, but I don't think that I was being serious. As a formen, I remember the rules, although I didn't know that green tea had less caffeine than black tea. Learn something new everyday.
LDS prophets used to regularly preach against eating meat (See UA-cam video “Return to Sparingly” for a sample). That halted when they went into the ranching business and became the largest privately-owned for-profit ranchers of the United States. This is something I learned while studying ag-gag laws and who are protected by them. It goes to reason that if the LDS corporation went into the coffee or tea business, coffee and tea wouldn’t be part of the WofW. But as it stands, the Church gives the impression that drinking coffee will keep you from heaven but raping, exploiting, brutalizing, and slaughtering (or paying others to do so) millions of animals won’t. 🤔
Beverage companies are raking in the cash because Mormons are absolutely addicted to energy drinks and soda with caffeine. In fact, here in Utah, there are sone very successful companies who sell soda with different flavors in them and I guarantee the majority of the clientele are Mormon. Double in fact, there’s a Swig drive through in the same parking lot as my favorite drive th coffee shop and there are always large lines of cars at Swig. So yep. I’m not surprised to read a comment like yours.
Wait, Brother Jake-what about how President Hinckley said in that (1996?) interview that Mormons can't drink caffeine, but then in 2012 the church put an official statement on lds.org saying that caffeinated beverages are actually OK after all (www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/01/mormon-caffeine-policy-cl_n_1848098.html), and my grandma was just being overzealous all those times she guilted me about Dr. Pepper?
Last time I went to the temple, the average weight of the person at the rental desk was about 250. Drink coffee and your out. Eat a dozen Krispy Kreme's everyday? Thanks ok. As a health code, it's a joke. As simply a test of obedience, way better than not being allowed to dance. I predict a new word of wisdom revelation within the next 3 years. Will include maintaining a healthy weight.
Please bless that you are already currently making a video about the new policy about the gay baby apostates and policy changes and handbooks. In the name of the holy dollar, Amen.
You are a smart guy by making all of these observations. I'm not here to say that tell you to be religious or not. I have made all of those observations as well and I think it just reflects on the maturity and self-discipline of church membership. It's gospel that matters more to me. I do have a testimony of the word of wisdom for the do's and don'ts. I am 95% vegan. I don't drink caffeine, pop, or all the other refined garbage. I see at a lot of the church activities it's a ton of sugars and refined carbohydrates. I don't eat that stuff. Since following all of the advice in the word of wisdom, my health has improved dramatically. I am training for my first trail ultra marathon and just ran my first 16 miler trail. I think all the points in the word of wisdom can be backed up with science. Look at the 7th day Adventist church-they went whole food plant based a while back. Their obesity rates are half of that of the LDS church. It's the lack of studying and discipline with culture that keeps membership not changing their ways and to me it has nothing to do with the Word of Wisdom being faulty.
Hot drinks just means drinks loaded with stimulants. Saying it is “hot” is the way a stimulant was described back then. Look it up in Webster’s 1828 dictionary which is free online. When that revelation came out it came in the vernacular they used at that time. Hot means stimulants. The church still says we should avoid all substances that are habit forming or harmful. It’s left up to you to do the research if stuff like caffeine qualifies as that or not. For most that’s a no brainer
Actually, hot drinks literally cause cancer of the esophagus. My step dad, a big coffee drinker, died of esophageal cancer. The doctors told him when he was alive that it was likely a result of drinking very hot coffee. So, I take this quite literally out of D&C that hot drinks aren't good for us whether it be coffee or hot cocoa.
@@adamv4951 Well, of course scalding hot anything is not good for any part of your body at pretty much anytime. You are right there. But most folks could tell you that without a revelation. Revealing that stimulants aren't good for the body takes quite a bit more faith to test out. But to each his own.
1:48 I love how he gets confused about washing your body in alcohol... don't we do that every day? How many products in the world, especially in modern medical practices, involve using some form of alcohol to wash your body? Dr Robert Cassar, father of the Terrain Modification Program and founder of Earther Academy, suggests using a strong vodka to deep clean the skin - you should see the junk he can pull out of people's pores with that stuff. So yeah, to me it totally makes sense.
"It matters Only what your Dear Leader tells ewe sheeple!" - The WoW Not-See History gets changed to suit people's desires of "truth" to be held dear by others. Well, actually in researching real history of the Word of Wisdom (WoW) we find a stunning picture and a battle (like unto the War in Heaven) to force the WoW as 4 Don'ts (May the FORCE be with you.). But, the real WoW in D&C 89 is very broad in meaning and is never to be commanded, or constrained, forced (verses 2-4,10-11). We can easily get distracted by some of the listed do's and don'ts when there are actually thousands of Do's and Don'ts far more important than the enshrined 4-Sacred-Don'ts which don't touch our health problems, especially in our day (verse 4,10,11). Many saints and leaders desired that Christ (or His leaders) would change His mind for them and command the WoW as 4 don'ts to improve homes and communities, modeled after some of the variations of the "Temperance Movement" post revolutionary war. Many churches jumped on the Temperance Movement band wagon and not only banned or limited alcohol but developed food and drink codes of health as well. The SDA's have one of the best codes surviving these battles for goodness, still sometimes forced and bullied for their good/salvation too. Not of Christ after all? There was nearly a 70 year battle to command and constrain ("not by commandment and constraint" - verse 2) the WoW as 4 supposed hard-line dont's vs all 5 prophets of the 1800's warning against constraining or forcing it. All 5 prophets refused constant "pressure for goodness" and warned members and leaders that changing Christ's admonitions and central Warning (verses 2-4,10-11),and making it into a "commandment by constraint" (verse 2) would "become a stumbling block to the saints." And has it ever become that. Prophetic? It is bullied, forced (with "love" and concern) into becoming that big ugly "stumbling block" to us in more ways than we might have imagined in our obedient mindframe. In refined 4-don'ts form this version of "the WoW" can easily rob us of the very health and wisdom which He promises, but not if we still take heed of His own words and not men's words or interpretation and translations of His words picked and chosen and force-fed to us from "Christ's smorgasbord Gospel." The leaders driving to make the WoW into a commandment got a second wind in 1902 with a new prophet Joseph F. Smith who supported Prohibition for a good clean LDS image. He made the 4-Don'ts into a commandment, and blamed it on Brigham in 1852, though Brigham is on record as still refusing to make it a commandment in 1876. Huh? How?...? What are the advantages of an image that Mormons are or were cleaner, more pure, and leaders of the Prohibition movement? The church mostly drove hard to push prohibition into place. After years of Prohibition, church members and many leaders could finally see the errors and problems of Prohibition (forced goodness for salvation - Satan's plan, AKA Saint'nism?). The church then switched to be at the forefront of repealing Prohibition after having helped drive it firmly into place "by force to save the people." Does that plan sound familiar? But the message of Satan's plan failing apparently had not sunk in quite enough? Prohibition (Satan's Plan) was repealed by Mormons but the commanded Mormon "Improved Prohibition" ("the WoW") became even deeper entrenched and has caused many problems to this day which "are just not Christlike." The WoW went from original intent (warning of thousands of counterfeits of God's wholesome Herbs and Foods for voluntary health, healing and wisdom) to only 4 Staunch Don'ts being enforced with an iron fist of "Love and Concern" for our eternal salvation. What would Jesus really do or have us do to each other in His name? Can we justify forcing or even strong-arming or "coercing with love" for goodness and salvation? "The WoW" became refined, reduced, and a harsh Judgment tool and then became "The Sentinel to Christ's Kingdom on earth and heaven." Is that really Christ's plan? These are only the start of those prophesied problems or "stumbling block to the saints.". This lead to bullying, shaming, punishing, threatening (for Christ...) and withholding entry into the church, patriarchal blessings, all ordinances and entry to the temple and eternal blessings of family from that, even as sentinel to entrance to the celestial kingdom and being with Christ. Is this Really "His plan?" (D&C 89: 2-4,10-11)?
About the dietary portion of section 89, I would highly suggest reading the book "Discovering the Word of Wisdom" by Jane Birch. It's SUCH a great book and is very eye-opening to the blessings Heavenly Father has for us when we treat our body as a temple in every area of our lives. :) Thanks for the video!
The Real and still readable WoW in D&C 89 has now been so misinterpreted, perverted or refined ("line upon line," or, is that "lie upon lie?") that there can be little health and wisdom gained by religiously following the now sacred commanded 4-Don'ts version, which also violates verse 2 of the WoW and other warnings. But, maybe God really does change His mind all the time, and only His anointed leaders know when He does? Maybe the WoW "commandment" has become the serious stumbling block forecast by JS (Joseph Smith), BY (Brigham Young) and other early prophets and leaders who refused to make it a commandment in the 1800's, till after a 7 decade year battle over it was won triumphantly by "the Force" In 1902, finally commanded by JFS, not by BY in 1852 (another twisted tale). BY, as JS, actually and unitiedly with many prophets and leaders kept refusing intense pressures to make the WoW into a commandment to save the saints from societal ills and addictions. They refused right through the end of the 19th century. Go read their statements. Brigham refused to make it that forbidden commandment (verse 2) far beyond today's myth that he did in 1852, repeatedly, his whole life, "lest it become a stumbling block to the saints." Now perhaps all the "violations" of the WoW by early leaders, saints and prophets make a little more sense? They were Not WoW violations after all, only in our now twisted minds in these warned of latter days where verse 4 is ignored. Consequently LDS gobble up and worship more refined, synthetic, toxic "medicines" and "foods" than ever, and thus get sicker and are dying from their chosen "WoW blindness," "... given by greeting, not by commandment or constraint." To be pondered and exercised with judgment, agency, seeking, learning of wholesome, healing goodness of God, accompanied by wisdom, to choose good health and wisdom through wholesome medicines and foods, or not. JS, BY and many early leaders could not warn the saints enough to "Stay away from the chemical doctors and surgery doctors (now we worship them?), but to use God's foods and herbs for health and healing instead, even before seeking priesthood blessings to heal." How did we get here from there? How did learned doctors and scientists become wiser than God in developing and promoting counterfeit, synthetic, poison foods and medicines to "nourish and strengthen our bodies" and to heal? How is the food at your ward party? 7th Day Adventists do a little better at keeping our real WoW. If we interpret or understand section 89 to our advantage, for truly great health and wisdom, we just might see and understand these verses primarily: D&C 89:2,4,7,8,10,11,18-21. 4 unwholesome refined down Don'ts has become nothing more than a sacred idol, a huge refined distraction to the wholesomeness. Are we blinded to God's vast forest of health and wisdom by 4 sacred trees? Commanding it can't be done in it's very refined 4-don'ts form nor in it's vast wholesome form of thousands of Do's and Don'ts, which can never be listed out. Letter-of-the law, just like letter-of-the law 4-don'ts are that same refined, synthetic, toxic BS as are the myriad fake "medicines" and "foods" verse 4 warns of coming down the pike. And thus we lost that central warning (verse 4) of the now growing thousands of counterfeit, refined, synthetic and thus toxic "Medicines" and "foods" which most LDS worship today, along with the Gadiantons they rode up on, as their beloved health Saviors, now wiser than God. "Get yer vaccines!" "Do you need to heal or stay healthy? Here, take some more patented poisons!" Awake yet? (D&C 89:4 & Ether 8:24,25) Since the WoW is Not to be by commandment or constraint, it is very abbreviated and should not list every good thing and every bad thing or it would be endless and have to be revised daily. It is simply a wise and healthy principle to be used to seek and grow our own wisdom and health. Many have found the real WoW and have chosen to seek further to put it to their own health and healing tests. Their results (mine too) can't even be touched by modern "medicine." Section 89 can and does only have a few examples of do's and don'ts out of thousands, and now rapidly growing Don'ts which are naturally far more dangerous than the 4 don'ts ever were. Do we still choose to be willfully blind and "obedient" instead of choosing health, healing and wisdom? I'm glad it was never to be forced in it's wholesome form. Still, in its wisdom and health imparting unrefined version, NOT by commandment or constraint it can't be pushed, forced nor punished for lack of observance and strict obedience. Verse 2: "...not by commandment or constraint" - force, coercion, guilting, shaming, judging, punishing, withholding Holy ghost, blessings, ordinances and entry to heaven, and even into fellowship in His kingdom and truth here on earth. That is all forbidden by Christ and the prophets in the WoW, Bible, D&C and BoM. 4 Commanded don'ts, Not quite of Christ? But we must still try to force salvation by forcing the "WoW" (the other brother's plan) as the sentinel to His Kingdom on earth as it is in heaven... Yep, verse 2 seems to rear it's reminding ugly head again, and always will, as long as it is violated by commandment and constrained bullying. Jesus needs more bullies to force salvation! Or, is that the other brother's plan? OK, verses 7, 8 are very brief but a simple hint at their more broad message that all 4 don'ts (and Pot) can be used very properly to heal, and much safer than any drug or vaccine from our saviors at the FDA, AMA and CDC warned of in verse 4. The wholesome real WoW can not be overseen by anyone or any leader. Whoops, they missed again? Verse 10, 11 are the second crux of the WoW after the verse 4 central warning of thousands of counterfeit, toxic don'ts. Verses 10, 11 say that the WoW is all about learning, choosing and using Gods's wholesome herbs and foods for health, healing and wisdom. Too simple? Let's change it for the better, command our own version of it and use it for the litmus test for fellowship and all blessings and heaven! Even religiously keeping the refined 4-don'ts "WoW" won't make or keep us wise, healthy or deliver the promises in verses 18-21. Sorry, folks, go worship your idols ("WoW," leaders, buildings, shifting commandments and doctrines...) for all they can do to save Ewe sheeple. History rep[eats itself )the Book of Daniel. The prophets of Baal). Sadly, the WoW has become nothing other than the ultimate "Guardian at the Gate" Shit-Test to see if you will blindly follow and obey men and "Not-See" their contradictions to Jesus and not question self anointed men, even to the point of getting sick and dying to prove your devotion to them before Christ/Truth? You'll be obedient like unto Abraham and Nephi, and surely blessed for that. Maybe killing someone for God will come later if you are truly more righteous and God loves Ewe more than His other sheep? Just perhaps, Agency, Health and Wisdom are what the real WoW is supposed to be about, and staying the hell away from Gadiantons, and their wares, on all levels? Isaiah 5: 20, Ether 8: 24,25, 2 Nephi 28: 14-23, 1 Nephi 8: 5-9, Mormon 8: 32-41, Moroni 10: 5,6,18,19 Truth (Jesus) does not blow in the shifting winds - "Wherefore, by their fruits ye shall know them." Matt 7: 15-21 Also Matt 23
God hasn't told us everything that is bad because he wants us to think for ourselves. Then if we are confused after sorting through things we can go to him for clarification. He will speak truth to our soul. The truth is we all need to do this because it's our body and we need to take care of it and everybody has different challenges and therefore certain things that may be good for someone isn't good for another like meat and gluten and dairy etc. But no one on earth will benefit from chemicals, GMO, refined sugar, and preservatives but the word of wisdom doesn't mention these things (other than "conspiring men in the last days") and that is where the wisdom comes in. So the word of wisdom is more than what is mentioned in the 89th section of the D&C and we will discover it according to our faith and desire to learn. Good video though!
Love the mocking of the common excuse "it was a different time" that apologist always use. It's almost like they are referring to the Dark Ages...and the pics of Deadwood lol
Why is this so confusing!!! I've been a member since birth. How does hot drinks= coffee and tea? Why/how did they arrive to this conclusion? Tea is a great source of antioxidants and coffee has many great health benefits also. Doesn't it refer to drinks such as mescal, tequila, or other distilled spirits that have a very high alcohol content that are "hot" because they can literally cause a burning sensation while drinking them? Sounds more plausible/ congruent with the the stance against alcohol.
but if u can't follow simple things like the word of wizzum how R U gonna keep ur temple covenants with God and be happy 4 ever??? I bet u didn't think about that
Word of Wisdom? Refrain from certain foods? Colossians 2:20-23 (KJV) 20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. The ISV translation on verse 23 says it more plainly for you: "These things have the appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion, humility, and harsh treatment of the body, but they have no value against self-indulgence." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So the Bible says if you're WITH Christ, why are subject to ordinances (Don't eat or drink this or that, rules of what to eat)? Then you are under a self-made religion and it's NOT ordained by God. How many of your LDS have kept the commandments of the food? Hardly a one, I'll bet: D&C (Link for the below: www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/89?lang=eng) 12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly; 13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine. Did you sparingly bite into that hamburger you had yesterday? How about that steak or chicken you had last week? Was it ONLY for cold times or famine? If these rules ARE NOT to be followed, why did the Geesus of the D&C waste His time telling you about them? Did the Jesus of the Bible 'SUGGEST' the 10 Commandments (he did refer to the 2 most important, but knew them all) or were we under strict obligation to follow them? What did Jesus of the Bible have to say about foods that you can't eat: Matthew 14-23 - "14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand: 15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. 16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear. 17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. 18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; 19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? 20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man." So Jesus is completely unconcerned with what goes in us, but is completely concerned with what comes OUT of us! How did Jesus change from the Bible to the D&C? Hmmm. First ANY food is ok, then all of a sudden only certain foods are ok. We're not talking Old Testament stuff, this is new testament. Yeah, the Jews were not supposed to eat certain foods but Jesus changed all that with His glorious coming and freeing us from many "laws" and "commandments" that were for the Jews and not to be carried on by Jew or Gentile after His coming. Quite easy to follow His words in the Bible. Not easy to follow the contradictory words then placed in the D&C's, which probably most LDS don't follow anyway. Uh, oh! There seems to be some LDS that shout, "Following the Word of Wisdom isn't a commandment". Ooops! You don't know your doctrine! Plus, there seems to be a great punishment for NOT following this COMMANDMENT... 18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, shall receive health in their navel and marrow to their bones; 19 And shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures; 20 And shall run and not be weary, and shall walk and not faint. 21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the destroying angel shall pass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen. (Link for the above 18 -21 of the D&C: www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/89?lang=eng). DOH! So if you don't "remember to keep these sayings", good luck with the "destroying angel". You want the, "DESTROYING ANGEL" to pass you by right? Don't you believe your Joseph and Geesus?
Hmmm, has this changed (counterfeited) form of the WoW become the standard, the guardian of the Gates of the Kingdom, a new standard/commandment constrained upon all, from which all are judged, received or rejected and by which we all receive or are denied every ordinance and blessing of the gospel, heaven and the eternities... going directly against D&C 89:2 and against the many words and warnings of early LDS prophets? All 5 first prophets refused pressure from saints and other leaders to make it a commandment (to save homes and communities and save us all by force, for their own heavenly rewards, the glory be to them...) till the 6th prophet dared change God's mind in 1902, making it a requirement for entrance and fellowship. Sounds like Jesus?
I love Brother Jake. He is totally going to super VIP heaven.
+Bob DolenDeath weird and arbitrary? Well I do not know where arbitrary plays in, but OK.
DUHHHHH! saying "He is totally going to Super VIP Heaven" implies that at some point in the past you have doubted this. HOW DARE YOU. You're totally only making it to the Terrestrial Kingdom. They probably only have 3G there.
@@jevinday 3G? Dial up at best.
"Health in the navel, marrow in the bones, streng...uh, hidden treasures of knowledge..."
Ha, Jake knocks another one out of the park. Keep em coming!
+David Sheppard He is incredibly clever...
+David Sheppard I literally fell out of my chair!
Me too! I was saying the temple line when Jake did and it just slayed me XD
It seems like verse 4 is much more a warning of all of our wholesome foods and medicines being refined, synthesized and perverted, than it is about just 4 refined don'ts ("thus saith the Lord")?
I can think of thousands of newer synthesized don'ts ("foods & medicines") which will do us in faster than those old refined 4 don'ts of the "temperance movement," taking away our health and wisdom.
Still, verse 2 says it is not to be commanded or constrained, forced, coerced, shamed, guilted, punished, and heaven denied, in it's wholesome form or based on a fabricated definition just as refined and as corrupt as the refined and synthesized drugs and "foods" it really seems to warn of?
I laughed so much I had to wipe my eyes. Good stuff!
A man truly ahead of his time with this content. A legend
This TOTALLY clears everything up, not weird or arbitrary at all! Thanks!
Now more than ever want to become a member. They are super awesome and no weird culturish at all
As an ex mormon I really appreciate your channel
Finally some clarity on the WOW! Thanks Bro. Jake!
Brother Jake, in life you can laugh or cry. You make me laugh. Thank you so much. The best humor is rooted in truth and you are a genius. May God bless you!
Hey, I just learned that Pres. Hinckley said caffeinated drinks were also part of the WoW. I was always taught that they were not included since the Church OWNED the Coca Cola bottling plant in the early decades of the 20th century. Hmm.
I shouldn't get this giddy when I read on NOM that there is a new Brother Jake video. Keep up the good work!
To give Brother Joseph a break is to do God's work. Well done yet again Brother Jake.
"We're promised a lot of blessings like health in the navel, marrow in the bones, strength in the lo... I mean uh, hidden treasures of knowledge..." 😆
Biggest bunch of crap is the whole tea thing. Grew up with this fear of tea, and then all of a sudden Herbal tea was ok... then I go on a mission to Germany, northern Germany, where they drink a lot of tea. In the English version of Preach My Gospel, the rule said no "tea" in the German version it said no "black tea" I asked my mission president, and he said it's best to avoid tea in general.
Really all it comes down to these days is the image you keep. We drank non-alcoholic beer as missionaries in Germany with members, until another group of missionaries tattled, saying it doesn't keep the image up as members of the church, and then there was a mission-wide ban on non-alcoholic drinks. Most Utah Mormons care more about the image, than actually following the rules, which is why members get away with looking at porn and also get away with trouble at home. Just as long as everyone shows up to church with a smile, so that no one knows. (my mom and step dad fight, and at one point, my step dad lived with his mom for 6 months, and would drive to our place every Sunday, put a smile on, and act like nothing was wrong, just to keep the image up. It's dumb, and it's because of that that they're still together... gotta keep that "happy" image up!... fuck, I hate living here in Utah)
mkhpsyco old post is old but I have to agree with this. Mormonisim is All about image and keeping the family looking happy when in reality a lot of shit happens.
lived with my mormon family all my life so far and and this is spot on. The many times when we were most miserable when my parents pretended the hardest. However these bottled up emotions don' really go nowhere as most people should know.
Yep! 5 worst years of my life spent in SLC. Never experienced being prejudiced against due to my long hair and beard. Couldn't get a job for three months, cut my hair and shaved the beard and the VERY NEXT DAY I was hired. Way to go on the "judge not" thing.
I guess we all have our own experiences/ understanding. I’m not a perfect person, my family is not perfect either, which is exactly why I go to church. What about hope? What about aspiring to be something better than we are? Am I just a hypocrite if I’m a hot head person that hopes one day I can be a more gentle person? Maybe I’m still not there. If I feel like these teachings help that what’s the problem?
If a family spends time together trying to be a family if only for an hour, if only at church, What’s bad about that?
@kcb5336 um the problem is is that the TSCC is built on polygamy, scams, and tithes. Poor mormons suffer while the leadership gets another second anointing and views themselves above mere mortals. That's why the LDS church is in free fall atm. It's worse now then when this was posted
Brother Jake hits it out of the park again!
You deserve way more views. Your videos are great.
Thanks for clarifying Jake. Things are so somewhat perfectly clearer now.
Brother Jake helps it all make sense.
Absolutely love these videos :)
Brother Jake, you're awesome!
YES !!! Another great vid. Keep making these!!!
This was an AWSOME VIDEO! Thank you for making it. I'm just starting to keep the Word of Wisdom so I can get baptized. Come on, hidden treasures!!!
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B Jake you're awesome. Keep the vids coming!
These are great. It takes me back to when I was a missionary and we got people to dump their alcohol and we took their coffee machines (it was rare to see a missionary apartment in my mission that didn't have at least one coffee machine stashed somewhere.
I guess I was a bad missionary but I never did anything as radical. Even back then I had a "live and let live, I cannot force anyone's choices" attitude. I felt a little bad about after my mission, felt like I could have done much more, that I didn't give 100%. Now the whole thing makes me laugh.
What about ice tea? I'm so confused. This being a Mormon thing is just too hard!
+Mick Brenton Iced black tea and iced coffee are cold hot drinks so still not okay. I mean it isn't the characteristics described in the word of wisdom but the random crap later said about them that matter.
+trueinar Oh.Ok. I'll stick with the program. When do I get issued with the white shirt and thin black tie and hit the pavement?
+Mick Brenton Age 18, before those tricksty college "educations" can brainwash you with their knowledge or teach you how to think objectively.
Daniel Furr 18?? But..but
.. what if you're 55? Can you still join?
You know you're right! I am smarter than that! I'll try the Westbro Babtist crew, they've been getting publicity lately! Do you think they will mind that my son is gay and in the armed forces?
Sweeeeet video!
(Fun WoW facts: Coffee and Tea were added to the Temperance Movement by the extra zealous being more patriotic by opposing Tea and Coffee trades run by the British. Tea and coffee have since been repeatedly shown significantly healthful "in moderation" in more and more studies where smokers are now omitted from study participants to avoid skewing results as previously. Also in the 20th century, zealots had a comma inserted in verse 13 between the words "...used, only..." to effectively reverse the meaning as desired by some, which now makes the doctored version in direct opposition to D&C 49: 18-19 instead of reinforcing it like the two verses reinforced each other for a century. Despite Joseph's use of tobacco, alcohol, coffee and tea after he revealed the WoW, he actually complied more fully with true spirit and intent of the WoW, below, than we do today with our "commanded and constrained" letter of the law, enshrined, refined down "4 sacred Don'ts" alone "WoW" version.)
The book "Saints" simply does a horrible job explaining the wholesome and Full meanings still found right in the Word of Wisdom if we "have eyes to see and ears to hear" the actual words which still speak to us, If we will listen, and study history, We no longer understand nor apply the core warning properly as it was meant (verse 4) which is as the early prophets all taught before and only shortly after 1900. Instead we latched on to Hyrum's 1843 supposition that verse 4 could be warning about the British possibly poisoning coffee and tea since they control the trade. Better to just be patriotic and not poisoned by the British... So, we still "cut the end off the ham and toss it since grandma did that so it would fit in her smaller pot... " Do we even care to understand that, and also the gist of the whole, and to stop nitpicking and enforcing Letter-of-the-Law, and the actual damage done?
The WoW in it's wholesome and intended form (still in print) can never be commanded lest a daily changing Huge list of growing don'ts And Do's could be compiled and maintained and forever edited as more of what is warned of in verse 4, Gadiantons and their counterfeit "foods" and "medicines," comes about. Such an accounting can't be maintained nor commanded, thus verse 2 to keep us thinking for ourselves through agency, and also to keep plentiful modern Pharisees, hijacking our growing understanding and agency, at bay. Have we lost the whole, the WoW higher law, simplified spirit of the law, in favor of the letter-of-the law, again?
I was inspired, after fasting 5 years ago, to do research on the history including prophet and leader quotes referring to the WoW to write my faith-promoting booklet on the true, wholesome meaning and roots of the WoW, how it really can give us wisdom and health unfailing, as promised. Try as we may, most just can't get either, unfailing wisdom or unfailing health. Why? We change and defile the words of God, stuffing more and more words in His mouth, resulting in endless con-tradictions, in His name? (Hint: The bible has done the same. We never see that so plainly, it was always there challenging us, until we allow ourselves to have "eyes to see and ears to hear.")
Researching quotes and history was wild, a conglomeration and contradictions and not what we are told at all, a 69+ year war by some "Pharisaical" Leaders, but not most, suppressing free will as forbidden right in the WoW verse 2. The war was over before it started, as all 5 prophets of the 1800 had to constantly remind those pushing for more Law. Satan's Plan finally won out in 1902 and 1920 and the WoW became "Mormon Super prohibition" being finally refined down to little good, and enforced.
The WoW was even enforced as a new sentinel to Christ's Kingdom on earth and heaven. "Obey what defies Christ's true Words of Wisdom, or else, no entrance. Remember when Jesus blasted the Pharisees for that, repeatedly? Does our current "Word of Wisdom" sound like it is still of Christ or of His eternal truth, or from Pharisees? "You may not enter unless you submit to and obey the refined, hollow version of the WoW."
Does that remotely sound like Jesus? Why? Why not? Sure, we can twist it all the way around, "for Jesus." I just could not finish writing the booklet since the history is not very faith promoting but is witness of corruption and a continuation of the war in heaven, but, Satan won this battle, forcing "goodness" for your own good, in this battle. Such a historically well documented booklet would only be an expose on Pharisaical traditions of men and forced changes by Them, of Those who oppose christ and "kick against the pricks" in His name. Jesus kept warning against that too. Such a booklet of WoW truths and real meaning and twisting it may not fare well as the originally intended and inspired faith promoting WoW booklet I had in mind, "The Real Word of Wisdom."
Removing all letter-of-the-law items leaves only verses 2-4,10,11 for care meaning instruction, which are actually the true heart of the meaning of the WoW as it was given and originally practiced and taught by most, but not by all. Remember, some were negatively impacted by loved ones with alcohol problems or a dirty to destructive tobacco habit. They wanted it stopped and commanded, for the greater good, said and done with. They got what they demanded, forced physical, mental and spiritual compliance.
I can see Christ shaking His head. We didn't get it, we refuse to "have eyes to see and ears to hear." We were going to go the extra mile, force more goodness and salvation of body, mind and spirit. We were going to fashion whips to whip each other and ourselves back into line..., which has done the exact opposite, as warned in advance.
Verses 2,4,10,11 are what will give you those fine promises of health and wisdom," and they can't be forced or enforced (..."not by commandment or constraint."). Benefiting to the highest degree is not found by following damning and demanding Pharisaical practices, which they know for fact have come from "God."
Have we become blinded to the "vast forest of God's health, healing and wisdom" (keep it wholesome and avoid the refined foods and fake medicine, counterfeits of the wholesome which God gave us which He recommends in His Words of Wisdom?) due to worshiping "4 sacred trees" which leave us exposed to countless and growing toxic "foods" and "medicines?" The letter of the law blinds us to the big picture. We miss the true benefits offered for free will. We love Satan's Plan that much, we would rather be commanded in every detail?
All 5 prophets of the 1800's used the 4 don'ts in moderation and taught it that way plus they taught using wholesome foods and herbs so you could stay very clear of surgeons and the "poison doctors" which Leaders push today, and the church invests in. Who are those "conspiring men of the last days" in verse 4? Brigham Young had a distillery and winery (Wine Mission). The now forbidden 4 don'ts were sold at ZCMI, right through the 1800's into the very early 20th century. They were not hypocrites. We are today, Pharisees and blind followers, as Christ warned us against, over and over, in His WoW too.
Instead of avoiding all refined foods and refined and synthesized, patented medicines (verse 4), we now worship them and the church itself invests in them, even though the central warning of the WoW at the heart of the WoW, Verse 4 warning directly against such, as the very core WoW message. Have they become one? Look closer at who those "conspiring men in the last days" have really become, taking your health and wisdom surely away by obedience. "Obedience is the first law of...." Satan's Plan? Verse 2.
Matt 15
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Matt 23
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
If you can handle that, read D&C 89: 2,4,10,11 and then Mormon 8:32-41 then Ether 8: 23-25 then 1 Nephi 8: 4-9 and 2 Nephi 28: 5, 11-24 and 1 Nephi 16: 2,3 and D&C 46: 4-8 and so on, IF truth does not offend you. We Were warned very well.
No wonder so many sick and dying around us in church, or too sick to come out, despite religiously living "the Word of Wisdom" and not seeing verses 2 and especially 4 and then 10,11 and thus receiving nothing of the promises in verses 18-21? We could justify and explain that away?
"Obedience is the first law of..." ... Satan's Plan?
Matt 15: 14
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So glad you mentioned milk! In such a confusing non-commandment, one might think that something like drinking the milk of another species might actually be prohibited, especially when studies suggest that it probably doesn't have much benefit at all for our bodies and a lot of people are lactose intolerant. But what can you do?
Don't forget the literal liters of "mixed sodas" that people in Utah drink b/c "well, we don't drink tea, coffee, or booze, so we can have this daily 44oz soda with extra sugar (sometimes in the form of fruit, but often just syrups) and cream added."
My understanding is the hot drinks thing comes from a misunderstanding of stimulants. They knew that these hot beverages were stimulants, but at the time it was thought that the heat was causing the stimulation by expanding the capillaries, it was only later that the compound caffeine was discovered and understood to be causing the stimulation. Great Video!!
You know whats funny, President Uchtdorf always has a caffeinated cold Dr. Pepper at dinner time.
Source: Me, I served it to him while working at the JSMB at least twice, at his request mind you. I mean apostles are just men.. right? not perfect in any sense.. right??
So great. Love your work. Keep it up! Wasn't there a statement back in the 70's that said Decaf Coffee was ok?
We need one for the handbook policy changes!!!
Sooooooo... When Mormons are told to avoid "drugs", that doesn't apply to antidepressants, right?
+WWZenaDo Depends on the leader you listen to. Depression is really something that you can control by praying and serving and going to church more...didn't you know? ;)
+Cassandra Austen so mormonism is okay with dead depressed people? id be dead without my meds no matter how much fucking praying i did
depression is not something you can just fucking will away, ugh anyone who tells people who need their meds like me that they should just pray should be arrested, because id be dead
depression isnt just being sad, clinical depression can be really serious
+WWZenaDo Prescription drugs under the direction of a physician are fine. Antidepressants prescribed for depression are fine.
luke V Jehovah's Witnesses are just as bad. Although their magazines aimed at the general public position them as open-minded about going to psychiatrists, psychologists, therapists & using drug therapy, the internal advice given to baptized members tends to be exactly what the Mormon leaders tell their followers - pray more, go out knocking on peoples' doors & convert them to Jehovah's Witnesses more - oh, and don't go to college. Just be a low-paid service-industry worker, & send as much as you can to the leaders who strongly discourage not only higher education, but also job ambition, overtime, and saving for one's retirement.
Brent Searle The information in this article prompted my comment:
abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/story?id=4403731
According to that article, two studies have shown Utah to be "the most depressed state in the country".
"A recent study by Mental Health America, the country's oldest independent mental health advocacy organization, ranked Utah the most depressed state in the country.
Another survey released last week by drug distribution company Express Scripts found that residents of Utah were prescribed antidepressant drugs more than those of any other state and at twice the national average."
Jake, Jake, Jake.... I was holding my breath to be enlightened about how iced tea and iced coffee were actually "hot drinks".
I'm still holding my breath and no, I'm not throwing a tantrum. Well, not like a REAL tantrum.
The sick cow part just made LOL and shoot milk through my nose!
When I went to Sunday school, we actually read D&C Section 89 even though it conflicted with the current Word of Wisdom in several ways. I never understood why it didn't just say what it meant.
Im sorry but that naked mans muscles really made me uncomfortable I feel like I need to view pornography now.....
RIP brother jake. You were doing God's work and will be missed.
He didn't die. He nearly did.
Damn...
You’re good!
Subbed!
I'm hopelessly addicted to coffee. I even drink it during Fast and Testimony Meeting; in a very small paper cup.
I love the Word of Wisdom
If you had a Patreon I would totally contribute.
Watching this at timestamp 7:45 while drinking a cup of milk... 💀😂😂
More words are spoken about eating flesh than the other laws. Please talk about eating flesh and how the Lord wants us to refrain from eating it and we will be blessed for it.
Peace and love ❤️
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I love the picture of that gun!
I love this stuff so much. My birthday is coming up on November 11, and I would just be thrilled if you released a video on that day. lol
How do you not have more subscribers????
Brilliant as usual. One point I wish you had made is this: chocolate (including hot chocolate) has small amounts of caffeine in it - therefore, small amounts of caffeine must somehow be OK...
actually chocolate has more caffeine in it that most energy drinks but it's harder to eat 500 grams of chocolate versus 500 grams of energy drink.
No. 500 grams of energy drink has a hell of a lot more caffeine than 500 grams of chocolate. Not even close.
Chocolate has 43 mg of caffeine in 100 grams which times 5 is 215 mg of caffeine in 500 grams versus the most caffeine containing energy drink out there (Monster energy) which has 36 mg of caffeine in 100 grams so in 500 grams of Monster contains 180 mg of caffeine so chocolate contains 35 milligrams more caffeine than the most caffeine containing energy drink.
Also chocolate has more caffeine than regular black coffee which has 40 mg in 100 grams so coffee has 200 mg of caffeine in 500 grams of coffee. But there is this Espresso that has 212 mg of caffeine in 100 grams and by so has 1,06 grams of caffeine in 500 grams.
My bad. For some reason, I thought you were talking about those 5-hour-energy drinks, which have more than twice the caffeine per weight as chocolate. But you're totally right about those huge drinks that are mostly sugar water.
Black tea and green tea are the same leaves, just aged differently. They are both the leaves from camellia sinensis.
+AxelQC Not aged differently, *preserved* differently. Black tea is allowed to oxidize, which raises its caffeine content and changes a few other properties. Green tea is steamed or pan fried (depending where it comes from) and has lower caffeine and higher amino acid levels. Oolong is somewhere in the middle. This was an area of great contention while I was at BYU-I.
+Eric Morrison Aged and preserved are the same thing.
It's still the same plant, and caffeine is not specifically against the WoW. So, if you are a Mormon, arguing green tea vs black tea as kosher is the same as arguing blue cheese vs. Roquefort.
You have a point, but considering green tea wasn't widely available in the USA until the 1970's makes me think it couldn't possibly have been prohibited by early Mormons. There is an argument against black tea for people who are caffeine sensitive or prone to ulcers, but green tea has shown nothing but positive health benefits. If the WoW claims to be pro-health, then it's not as simple as blue vs Roquefort.
+Eric Morrison It's the exact same leaf! It's like saying baked potatoes are bad but funeral potatoes are kosher.
As for black tea, its health properties are well established. Oolong tea, which is the intermediate stage of fermentation, is known to help with weight loss.
Decaffeinated iced coffee...
Can you educate us on the Mormon concept of heaven
Milk! Ha ha ha LOVE LOVE LOVE> I can totally share this without offending the TBM! Thanks again Brother Jake !!!!
Decaf sodas with high sugar/aspertame content oh I dunno 6 cans a day?
How's that fer your TBM pancreas?
Coffee and teas with stimulants in them are totally addictive 😂
Anti-theist here with a point of fact: The "strong drinks are not for the belly but for the washing of your bodies" is saying that it is OK for Mormons to use alcohol for medical anti-septic purposes, such as cleaning wounds. A surprising practical exemption, and once I doubt the early Mormons would have survived without.
One time I read the obituary of a man who was a recognized authority on all types of alcoholic mixed drinks, wrote several books about them, was also a longtime alcoholic and was never in the church. The obituary sounded like he'd devoted most of his life to being a drinker, bartender, and writer about alcohol. But he still got a Mormon funeral by a Mormon member of his family. I don't know whether he wanted one or not. I was certainly surprised by someone with a life so un-Mormon getting such a funeral. What I'd like to know is what are the rules, would they give an openly gay person such a funeral, and how common are such funerals in the church?
Exactly, the key here is OBEDIENCE even when in times it all seems " ridiculous or even extreme ".
We follow a LIVING PROPHET with current and continuing revelation from God, according to God's wisdom.
Will we choose to be offended if a living PROPHET reveals that it is ok to drink wine moderately per say?
I'm not looking forward for that to happen, but my point is, follow the LIVING PROPHET.
Awesome video brother Jake.... 👍
Either God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, or He isn't. If He is, the word of wisdom shouldn't need to be rewritten by every prophet from Joseph Smith to Russel M. Nelson. If He isn't, then God would cease to be God because He would no longer be omniscient, nor would He be the God of the books of scripture held sacred by Latter-Day Saints.
I could stand to believe that the Word of Wisdom is an ongoing revelation if it had been following modern understandings of what's safe to put in the body, which would mean the original version not including tobacco in the list of prohibited items. Not the case. Ergo, not an ongoing revelation. The changes in the church's official stance on things like caffeinated soda and hot chocolate are so frequent as to make them very obviously the opinions of men and not of God.
Nice video. BTW tobacco can induce vomiting in cattle, so it was used sometimes for that reason.
Wait, I thought green tea had more caffeine than black tea. And green tea is the grey area? And what about decaff coffee and tea, are they OK? I'm so confused
decaff coffee and Tea aren't ok lol.
You might be thinking of green coffee. Green tea has less caffeine.
whisper180 I don't remember, but I don't think that I was being serious. As a formen, I remember the rules, although I didn't know that green tea had less caffeine than black tea. Learn something new everyday.
LDS prophets used to regularly preach against eating meat (See UA-cam video “Return to Sparingly” for a sample). That halted when they went into the ranching business and became the largest privately-owned for-profit ranchers of the United States. This is something I learned while studying ag-gag laws and who are protected by them.
It goes to reason that if the LDS corporation went into the coffee or tea business, coffee and tea wouldn’t be part of the WofW.
But as it stands, the Church gives the impression that drinking coffee will keep you from heaven but raping, exploiting, brutalizing, and slaughtering (or paying others to do so) millions of animals won’t. 🤔
My Mormon coworkers drink plenty of Red Bull
Beverage companies are raking in the cash because Mormons are absolutely addicted to energy drinks and soda with caffeine. In fact, here in Utah, there are sone very successful companies who sell soda with different flavors in them and I guarantee the majority of the clientele are Mormon. Double in fact, there’s a Swig drive through in the same parking lot as my favorite drive th coffee shop and there are always large lines of cars at Swig. So yep. I’m not surprised to read a comment like yours.
Love how you skipped the "strength in the loi--" part :D
5:55 i died
Alcohol was used in that time to help reduce fever through fast evaporation of the alcohol.
Wait, Brother Jake-what about how President Hinckley said in that (1996?) interview that Mormons can't drink caffeine, but then in 2012 the church put an official statement on lds.org saying that caffeinated beverages are actually OK after all (www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/01/mormon-caffeine-policy-cl_n_1848098.html), and my grandma was just being overzealous all those times she guilted me about Dr. Pepper?
I love coffee and tea. Delicious, delicious tea 💙
You thank telltale for getting you another subscriber. Kung Pai my fellow ex Mormon
Last time I went to the temple, the average weight of the person at the rental desk was about 250. Drink coffee and your out. Eat a dozen Krispy Kreme's everyday? Thanks ok.
As a health code, it's a joke. As simply a test of obedience, way better than not being allowed to dance.
I predict a new word of wisdom revelation within the next 3 years. Will include maintaining a healthy weight.
Please bless that you are already currently making a video about the new policy about the gay baby apostates and policy changes and handbooks. In the name of the holy dollar, Amen.
"Strength in the loins, oh i mean..." LOL
You are a smart guy by making all of these observations. I'm not here to say that tell you to be religious or not. I have made all of those observations as well and I think it just reflects on the maturity and self-discipline of church membership. It's gospel that matters more to me. I do have a testimony of the word of wisdom for the do's and don'ts. I am 95% vegan. I don't drink caffeine, pop, or all the other refined garbage. I see at a lot of the church activities it's a ton of sugars and refined carbohydrates. I don't eat that stuff. Since following all of the advice in the word of wisdom, my health has improved dramatically. I am training for my first trail ultra marathon and just ran my first 16 miler trail. I think all the points in the word of wisdom can be backed up with science. Look at the 7th day Adventist church-they went whole food plant based a while back. Their obesity rates are half of that of the LDS church. It's the lack of studying and discipline with culture that keeps membership not changing their ways and to me it has nothing to do with the Word of Wisdom being faulty.
Hot drinks just means drinks loaded with stimulants. Saying it is “hot” is the way a stimulant was described back then. Look it up in Webster’s 1828 dictionary which is free online. When that revelation came out it came in the vernacular they used at that time. Hot means stimulants. The church still says we should avoid all substances that are habit forming or harmful. It’s left up to you to do the research if stuff like caffeine qualifies as that or not. For most that’s a no brainer
Actually, hot drinks literally cause cancer of the esophagus. My step dad, a big coffee drinker, died of esophageal cancer. The doctors told him when he was alive that it was likely a result of drinking very hot coffee. So, I take this quite literally out of D&C that hot drinks aren't good for us whether it be coffee or hot cocoa.
@@adamv4951 Well, of course scalding hot anything is not good for any part of your body at pretty much anytime. You are right there. But most folks could tell you that without a revelation. Revealing that stimulants aren't good for the body takes quite a bit more faith to test out. But to each his own.
1:48 I love how he gets confused about washing your body in alcohol... don't we do that every day? How many products in the world, especially in modern medical practices, involve using some form of alcohol to wash your body? Dr Robert Cassar, father of the Terrain Modification Program and founder of Earther Academy, suggests using a strong vodka to deep clean the skin - you should see the junk he can pull out of people's pores with that stuff. So yeah, to me it totally makes sense.
5:53 LMAO!
+David Sarif Haha I wasn't the only one who caught that yay
Im not sure about green tea either..... Is anyone? I find it highly desirable, maybe even delicious to the taste
It seems to be that tea is tea except for when it is tea, no confusion its as clear as mud Jason...
Sodas are OK now. It came out that the church owns a big portion of Coke.
You are fcking hilarious 😂
"It matters Only what your Dear Leader tells ewe sheeple!" - The WoW Not-See
History gets changed to suit people's desires of "truth" to be held dear by others. Well, actually in researching real history of the Word of Wisdom (WoW) we find a stunning picture and a battle (like unto the War in Heaven) to force the WoW as 4 Don'ts (May the FORCE be with you.). But, the real WoW in D&C 89 is very broad in meaning and is never to be commanded, or constrained, forced (verses 2-4,10-11). We can easily get distracted by some of the listed do's and don'ts when there are actually thousands of Do's and Don'ts far more important than the enshrined 4-Sacred-Don'ts which don't touch our health problems, especially in our day (verse 4,10,11).
Many saints and leaders desired that Christ (or His leaders) would change His mind for them and command the WoW as 4 don'ts to improve homes and communities, modeled after some of the variations of the "Temperance Movement" post revolutionary war. Many churches jumped on the Temperance Movement band wagon and not only banned or limited alcohol but developed food and drink codes of health as well. The SDA's have one of the best codes surviving these battles for goodness, still sometimes forced and bullied for their good/salvation too. Not of Christ after all?
There was nearly a 70 year battle to command and constrain ("not by commandment and constraint" - verse 2) the WoW as 4 supposed hard-line dont's vs all 5 prophets of the 1800's warning against constraining or forcing it. All 5 prophets refused constant "pressure for goodness" and warned members and leaders that changing Christ's admonitions and central Warning (verses 2-4,10-11),and making it into a "commandment by constraint" (verse 2) would "become a stumbling block to the saints." And has it ever become that. Prophetic?
It is bullied, forced (with "love" and concern) into becoming that big ugly "stumbling block" to us in more ways than we might have imagined in our obedient mindframe. In refined 4-don'ts form this version of "the WoW" can easily rob us of the very health and wisdom which He promises, but not if we still take heed of His own words and not men's words or interpretation and translations of His words picked and chosen and force-fed to us from "Christ's smorgasbord Gospel."
The leaders driving to make the WoW into a commandment got a second wind in 1902 with a new prophet Joseph F. Smith who supported Prohibition for a good clean LDS image. He made the 4-Don'ts into a commandment, and blamed it on Brigham in 1852, though Brigham is on record as still refusing to make it a commandment in 1876. Huh? How?...?
What are the advantages of an image that Mormons are or were cleaner, more pure, and leaders of the Prohibition movement? The church mostly drove hard to push prohibition into place. After years of Prohibition, church members and many leaders could finally see the errors and problems of Prohibition (forced goodness for salvation - Satan's plan, AKA Saint'nism?). The church then switched to be at the forefront of repealing Prohibition after having helped drive it firmly into place "by force to save the people." Does that plan sound familiar? But the message of Satan's plan failing apparently had not sunk in quite enough?
Prohibition (Satan's Plan) was repealed by Mormons but the commanded Mormon "Improved Prohibition" ("the WoW") became even deeper entrenched and has caused many problems to this day which "are just not Christlike." The WoW went from original intent (warning of thousands of counterfeits of God's wholesome Herbs and Foods for voluntary health, healing and wisdom) to only 4 Staunch Don'ts being enforced with an iron fist of "Love and Concern" for our eternal salvation.
What would Jesus really do or have us do to each other in His name? Can we justify forcing or even strong-arming or "coercing with love" for goodness and salvation?
"The WoW" became refined, reduced, and a harsh Judgment tool and then became "The Sentinel to Christ's Kingdom on earth and heaven." Is that really Christ's plan?
These are only the start of those prophesied problems or "stumbling block to the saints.". This lead to bullying, shaming, punishing, threatening (for Christ...) and withholding entry into the church, patriarchal blessings, all ordinances and entry to the temple and eternal blessings of family from that, even as sentinel to entrance to the celestial kingdom and being with Christ. Is this Really "His plan?" (D&C 89: 2-4,10-11)?
But science suggests that caffeine can be good for you if used responsibly. See @6:10.
About the dietary portion of section 89, I would highly suggest reading the book "Discovering the Word of Wisdom" by Jane Birch. It's SUCH a great book and is very eye-opening to the blessings Heavenly Father has for us when we treat our body as a temple in every area of our lives. :) Thanks for the video!
The Real and still readable WoW in D&C 89 has now been so misinterpreted, perverted or refined ("line upon line," or, is that "lie upon lie?") that there can be little health and wisdom gained by religiously following the now sacred commanded 4-Don'ts version, which also violates verse 2 of the WoW and other warnings. But, maybe God really does change His mind all the time, and only His anointed leaders know when He does?
Maybe the WoW "commandment" has become the serious stumbling block forecast by JS (Joseph Smith), BY (Brigham Young) and other early prophets and leaders who refused to make it a commandment in the 1800's, till after a 7 decade year battle over it was won triumphantly by "the Force" In 1902, finally commanded by JFS, not by BY in 1852 (another twisted tale).
BY, as JS, actually and unitiedly with many prophets and leaders kept refusing intense pressures to make the WoW into a commandment to save the saints from societal ills and addictions. They refused right through the end of the 19th century. Go read their statements. Brigham refused to make it that forbidden commandment (verse 2) far beyond today's myth that he did in 1852, repeatedly, his whole life, "lest it become a stumbling block to the saints."
Now perhaps all the "violations" of the WoW by early leaders, saints and prophets make a little more sense? They were Not WoW violations after all, only in our now twisted minds in these warned of latter days where verse 4 is ignored. Consequently LDS gobble up and worship more refined, synthetic, toxic "medicines" and "foods" than ever, and thus get sicker and are dying from their chosen "WoW blindness," "... given by greeting, not by commandment or constraint."
To be pondered and exercised with judgment, agency, seeking, learning of wholesome, healing goodness of God, accompanied by wisdom, to choose good health and wisdom through wholesome medicines and foods, or not. JS, BY and many early leaders could not warn the saints enough to "Stay away from the chemical doctors and surgery doctors (now we worship them?), but to use God's foods and herbs for health and healing instead, even before seeking priesthood blessings to heal."
How did we get here from there? How did learned doctors and scientists become wiser than God in developing and promoting counterfeit, synthetic, poison foods and medicines to "nourish and strengthen our bodies" and to heal? How is the food at your ward party? 7th Day Adventists do a little better at keeping our real WoW.
If we interpret or understand section 89 to our advantage, for truly great health and wisdom, we just might see and understand these verses primarily: D&C 89:2,4,7,8,10,11,18-21.
4 unwholesome refined down Don'ts has become nothing more than a sacred idol, a huge refined distraction to the wholesomeness. Are we blinded to God's vast forest of health and wisdom by 4 sacred trees?
Commanding it can't be done in it's very refined 4-don'ts form nor in it's vast wholesome form of thousands of Do's and Don'ts, which can never be listed out. Letter-of-the law, just like letter-of-the law 4-don'ts are that same refined, synthetic, toxic BS as are the myriad fake "medicines" and "foods" verse 4 warns of coming down the pike.
And thus we lost that central warning (verse 4) of the now growing thousands of counterfeit, refined, synthetic and thus toxic "Medicines" and "foods" which most LDS worship today, along with the Gadiantons they rode up on, as their beloved health Saviors, now wiser than God.
"Get yer vaccines!" "Do you need to heal or stay healthy? Here, take some more patented poisons!" Awake yet? (D&C 89:4 & Ether 8:24,25)
Since the WoW is Not to be by commandment or constraint, it is very abbreviated and should not list every good thing and every bad thing or it would be endless and have to be revised daily. It is simply a wise and healthy principle to be used to seek and grow our own wisdom and health. Many have found the real WoW and have chosen to seek further to put it to their own health and healing tests. Their results (mine too) can't even be touched by modern "medicine."
Section 89 can and does only have a few examples of do's and don'ts out of thousands, and now rapidly growing Don'ts which are naturally far more dangerous than the 4 don'ts ever were. Do we still choose to be willfully blind and "obedient" instead of choosing health, healing and wisdom? I'm glad it was never to be forced in it's wholesome form.
Still, in its wisdom and health imparting unrefined version, NOT by commandment or constraint it can't be pushed, forced nor punished for lack of observance and strict obedience. Verse 2: "...not by commandment or constraint" - force, coercion, guilting, shaming, judging, punishing, withholding Holy ghost, blessings, ordinances and entry to heaven, and even into fellowship in His kingdom and truth here on earth. That is all forbidden by Christ and the prophets in the WoW, Bible, D&C and BoM. 4 Commanded don'ts, Not quite of Christ?
But we must still try to force salvation by forcing the "WoW" (the other brother's plan) as the sentinel to His Kingdom on earth as it is in heaven... Yep, verse 2 seems to rear it's reminding ugly head again, and always will, as long as it is violated by commandment and constrained bullying. Jesus needs more bullies to force salvation! Or, is that the other brother's plan?
OK, verses 7, 8 are very brief but a simple hint at their more broad message that all 4 don'ts (and Pot) can be used very properly to heal, and much safer than any drug or vaccine from our saviors at the FDA, AMA and CDC warned of in verse 4. The wholesome real WoW can not be overseen by anyone or any leader. Whoops, they missed again?
Verse 10, 11 are the second crux of the WoW after the verse 4 central warning of thousands of counterfeit, toxic don'ts. Verses 10, 11 say that the WoW is all about learning, choosing and using Gods's wholesome herbs and foods for health, healing and wisdom. Too simple? Let's change it for the better, command our own version of it and use it for the litmus test for fellowship and all blessings and heaven!
Even religiously keeping the refined 4-don'ts "WoW" won't make or keep us wise, healthy or deliver the promises in verses 18-21. Sorry, folks, go worship your idols ("WoW," leaders, buildings, shifting commandments and doctrines...) for all they can do to save Ewe sheeple. History rep[eats itself )the Book of Daniel. The prophets of Baal).
Sadly, the WoW has become nothing other than the ultimate "Guardian at the Gate" Shit-Test to see if you will blindly follow and obey men and "Not-See" their contradictions to Jesus and not question self anointed men, even to the point of getting sick and dying to prove your devotion to them before Christ/Truth? You'll be obedient like unto Abraham and Nephi, and surely blessed for that. Maybe killing someone for God will come later if you are truly more righteous and God loves Ewe more than His other sheep?
Just perhaps, Agency, Health and Wisdom are what the real WoW is supposed to be about, and staying the hell away from Gadiantons, and their wares, on all levels? Isaiah 5: 20, Ether 8: 24,25, 2 Nephi 28: 14-23, 1 Nephi 8: 5-9, Mormon 8: 32-41, Moroni 10: 5,6,18,19
Truth (Jesus) does not blow in the shifting winds - "Wherefore, by their fruits ye shall know them." Matt 7: 15-21
Also Matt 23
I found this channel from telltale atheist.
It's about control
I am pretty sure you are satirist, but I am not 100%
+TC Coltharp Are you a satirist? Brother Jake clearly is but now I am wondering about you.
+TC Coltharp How could anyone not clearly recognize this is satire?
Dorothyellen w Poe's Law
Coffee and tea are good for you, and Joseph Smith drank.
Yeah.. A round of Maverick 44 ounce bladder busters for all! Woo Hoo... Good thing the garment comes in 4X now!
I love the flip-flopping of 'revelations' these prophets announce. I thought they were supposed to be the mouth of God
I like cold coffee, what you gonna... FUCK THEY REINTERPRETED IT
BYU now has caffeinated Coke products on campus.
God hasn't told us everything that is bad because he wants us to think for ourselves. Then if we are confused after sorting through things we can go to him for clarification. He will speak truth to our soul. The truth is we all need to do this because it's our body and we need to take care of it and everybody has different challenges and therefore certain things that may be good for someone isn't good for another like meat and gluten and dairy etc. But no one on earth will benefit from chemicals, GMO, refined sugar, and preservatives but the word of wisdom doesn't mention these things (other than "conspiring men in the last days") and that is where the wisdom comes in. So the word of wisdom is more than what is mentioned in the 89th section of the D&C and we will discover it according to our faith and desire to learn. Good video though!
Love the mocking of the common excuse "it was a different time" that apologist always use. It's almost like they are referring to the Dark Ages...and the pics of Deadwood lol
1:51 Beer is actually supposed to be good for your hair and skin.
+Macanzie Belle Beer is also on the "good" list in D&C 89 as well.
Why is this so confusing!!!
I've been a member since birth.
How does hot drinks= coffee and tea?
Why/how did they arrive to this conclusion?
Tea is a great source of antioxidants and coffee has many great health benefits also.
Doesn't it refer to drinks such as mescal, tequila, or other distilled spirits that have a very high alcohol content that are "hot" because they can literally cause a burning sensation while drinking them?
Sounds more plausible/ congruent with the the stance against alcohol.
but if u can't follow simple things like the word of wizzum how R U gonna keep ur temple covenants with God and be happy 4 ever??? I bet u didn't think about that
Word of Wisdom? Refrain from certain foods? Colossians 2:20-23 (KJV)
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
The ISV translation on verse 23 says it more plainly for you: "These things have the appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion, humility, and harsh treatment of the body, but they have no value against self-indulgence."
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So the Bible says if you're WITH Christ, why are subject to ordinances (Don't eat or drink this or that, rules of what to eat)? Then you are under a self-made religion and it's NOT ordained by God.
How many of your LDS have kept the commandments of the food? Hardly a one, I'll bet:
D&C (Link for the below: www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/89?lang=eng)
12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;
13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.
Did you sparingly bite into that hamburger you had yesterday? How about that steak or chicken you had last week? Was it ONLY for cold times or famine?
If these rules ARE NOT to be followed, why did the Geesus of the D&C waste His time telling you about them? Did the Jesus of the Bible 'SUGGEST' the 10 Commandments (he did refer to the 2 most important, but knew them all) or were we under strict obligation to follow them?
What did Jesus of the Bible have to say about foods that you can't eat:
Matthew 14-23 - "14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand: 15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. 16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. 18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; 19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? 20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man."
So Jesus is completely unconcerned with what goes in us, but is completely concerned with what comes OUT of us! How did Jesus change from the Bible to the D&C? Hmmm. First ANY food is ok, then all of a sudden only certain foods are ok. We're not talking Old Testament stuff, this is new testament. Yeah, the Jews were not supposed to eat certain foods but Jesus changed all that with His glorious coming and freeing us from many "laws" and "commandments" that were for the Jews and not to be carried on by Jew or Gentile after His coming. Quite easy to follow His words in the Bible. Not easy to follow the contradictory words then placed in the D&C's, which probably most LDS don't follow anyway.
Uh, oh! There seems to be some LDS that shout, "Following the Word of Wisdom isn't a commandment". Ooops! You don't know your doctrine! Plus, there seems to be a great punishment for NOT following this COMMANDMENT...
18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, shall receive health in their navel and marrow to their bones;
19 And shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures;
20 And shall run and not be weary, and shall walk and not faint.
21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the destroying angel shall pass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.
(Link for the above 18 -21 of the D&C: www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/89?lang=eng).
DOH! So if you don't "remember to keep these sayings", good luck with the "destroying angel". You want the, "DESTROYING ANGEL" to pass you by right? Don't you believe your Joseph and Geesus?
STRENGTH IN THE LOINS
Hmmm, has this changed (counterfeited) form of the WoW become the standard, the guardian of the Gates of the Kingdom, a new standard/commandment constrained upon all, from which all are judged, received or rejected and by which we all receive or are denied every ordinance and blessing of the gospel, heaven and the eternities... going directly against D&C 89:2 and against the many words and warnings of early LDS prophets?
All 5 first prophets refused pressure from saints and other leaders to make it a commandment (to save homes and communities and save us all by force, for their own heavenly rewards, the glory be to them...) till the 6th prophet dared change God's mind in 1902, making it a requirement for entrance and fellowship. Sounds like Jesus?
Why did he have to go a step too far and prohibit hot drinks? He was doing so well with the whole 'health' angle, why would he do that? :L
Can you debunk mormon videos??
Green tea is a grey area!