Sounds like in Canada if someone wants to harm you, your best weapon is to just say “I beg your pardon” or else you will go to prison for defending yourself even with a piece chopsticks.
My wife read this and we laughed so hard we almost had things coming out of our noses. 😂 Just a quick correction. We don’t say “I beg your pardon”. In Canada, we just say “sorrey, eh.”
You are not allowed to defend yourself in Canada, if you shoot someone in self-defence, you are automatically accused. Presumption of innocence do not apply per criminal code when in self defense, one would actually have to prove themselve innocent through court. Canada's biggest fail in law.
@@zara-ux6kn you are not wrong. Kinda. Section 34 and 35 of the CCC speak to defense of self and property. S. 34 states use of force must be reasonable under the circumstances. Just as you mentioned, the burden of proof to show the circumstances and use of force were reasonable rests with the party defending themselves. S. 35 is even more strict. Because Canada has no stand your ground or castle laws, essentially you could be justified in grabbing someone trespassing on your property to remove them, but no more than that. And still, you’d probably be charged with assault. This according to a criminal law lawyer I literally spoke with just minutes ago.
@@canadianoperator one guy in Ontario just got a murder charge after defending himself from an home invasion by five armed guys. In the US, we would have called him a hero. In Canada, he might be put away with the perpetrators. So sad...
@@zara-ux6kn Oh man, I heard about this. I think his mother (who he lived with) might have depended on him for help around the house. Now imagine this, if he gets put away, the rest of the 4 guys know his mother will be alone, and can return. How is this justice? If the government wasn't trying to start communism here, they would have nothing to fear. Law abiding citizens with firearms are not the problem in our community. Gangs and organized crime is. But the government is too scared to confront them. There was another guy last month who killed an OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) officer at the beginning of his career. This guy who pulled the trigger had priors for firearms and assault on police, and was released on bail while awaiting another court appearance. During that time, he shot and killed the police officer, who was responding for a call for help from a passing motorist after the perp's car went into a ditch. Absolutely unreal. If this channel takes off, I am moving to the US. Mark my words.
Canadian here, I'm glad people are talking about the law its self for self defence in Canada. When I went and got my Restricted and Non Restricted PAL. During the course we had a moment to go around the class and handle these firearms and someone asked the question of "if someone breaks into my house can I use a firearm to defend myself" He didn't get the whole question out before our instructor told us that she wasn't in the position to provide a full detailed answer, but she's gonna go with no. To which about 80% of that class was filled with "What??? Cause this was probably the first time they were told this. Several students mainly of people between the ages of 20-30 years old did not know this about Canada and I really feel it's not talked about enough its not protested enough to get the point across to people that as Canadians we have 0 right to defend ourselves and that needs to change.
This is addressed "theoretically" in section 34 of the Canadian Criminal Code. However, the problem with this not being a right enshrined in our charter is that any judge can take that section and interpret it how they see fit. That should not be allowed if someone is trying to defend their family, spouse, pets or property.
when the entire canadian gun culture cucked themselves into saying guns are for sporting purposes (which is a fucking lie) to have their stuff not banned.
You said "I wouldn't want to be in the position of defending myself in court for defending myself in my own home" which I think we can all agree, but if you were in a position where you were facing an attacker in your home would you defend yourself regardless of if you used a weapon or your fists, or would you just roll over and take what's coming? I know I would rather defend myself in my home and then in court then allow someone to harm me in any way shape or form.
I’m glad you asked instead of assumed. Because of course I would do whatever it would take to keep my family safe and deal with the consequences later. My point in saying this though wasn’t to say that you should stop in a home invasion situation to think about what consequences you’ll face based on your actions. But rather, that you shouldn’t have to think about those things, because of course the health and well being of you and your family is far more important than anything else.
I just bought the LE for our home in Canada. Wife and I will be doing some training on this so we can use it effectively. We are both disabled and our area in is experiencing a increase in crime. Our car and our neighbors car was vandalized. Lots of people scoping cars and houses in the middle of the night. We are both disabled and I am worried for my wife's safety. My take is if someone is breaking into my home at any time, they are a threat to our lives due to our health and disabilities. So I will do whatever it takes to defend our lives, no matter what the government says. They are not here if this happens so.....ya. I would rather be judged by 12 than be carried by 6.
I can empathize about having a disability, as I have one myself. Though to be honest if it came down to it I'd rather use a proper firearm because this may prove to be ineffective and you'd probably get charged all the same using something like this versus an actual firearm. That said I don't condone violence but I would do anything to protect my family, and we should have laws that accommodate that.
@@canadianoperator so would I believe me. I don’t have an FAC nor a firearm. I get it. It’s a scary situation. I am 60 now with massive back issues. I was an amateur boxer back in the 80’s. and also have a blue belt in Tae Kwon Do. That was many moons ago. But with my issues I doubt that I could fend off anyone for more than a few minutes.
I just got an LE in as well but am yet to try her out. I can't wait!!! I didn't get the orange member card with mine. Did you end up getting that with your order?
@@canadianoperator what good is a PAL in Canada? You can’t have anything chambered, ammo has to be stored somewhere under lock and key, and your trigger has to be locked. You would be dead by the time you had an operable firearm. Plus if you used it you are the one who would go to jail as you can’t use it to defend yourself anyway. Canada law does have a Castle law. The Gov literally wants you to just take whatever is gonna happen, and if you defend yourself the odds of you being prosecuted by filthy defence lawyers is pretty high. They are also trying to pass law to take away any type of air controlled firearm as well. It’s probably just better to move out of Canada. Just last night a guy 10 blocks away from me was killed in his driveway in broad daylight.
They would be if they could be safely used without having to explain to a judge why. You’d think that self defended would be a fundamental human right, but I guess in Canada you’re still liable even if you want to defend yourself :P
I just bought one of these a few days ago yes they are a little pricey but..the quality is definitely there and is a good idea for training purposes and just to have just in case because you never know.. I think this is a good idea to carry when you're in the bush for aggressive wildlife
Definitely a good training tool. But honestly in Canada I just don’t think it makes any sense. At least for its intended use of home and personal defense.
@@canadianoperator any kind of weapon is Handy to have because you just never know and who knows it might be worth its weight in gold when it eventually gets banned in Canada😆😉
@@robertyoung9813 first of all, it’s a firearm. We don’t own weapons, because we don’t use them as such. Secondly, good point lol. With how off the chain these desperate liberals are these days it’s hard to determine when the next ban wave will hit. Thankfully we have a potentially gun-tolerant government coming into power soon (crossing fingers) which will focus more on education, our current and very strong licensing system, and most importantly fighting the illegal gun problem, smuggling, and ghost gun manufacturing. We can only hope.
Thank you for the insight of the legal implications. This is my understanding of the trigger question you had; The trigger pulls in both Safe/Live settings because it will pierce the CO2 cartridge on safe to assure the first round has full pressure. That way you can leave a non-pierced CO2 cartridge in the "launcher" and it won't bleed down over time. It will fire on the first trigger pull (in live mode) even if you have not pre-pierced the cartridge but you may not have full pressure.
This is an excellent explanation and completely makes sense given the way the "launcher" is put together. Thanks very much for taking the time to share this, and for watching :)
@@sleepwalker2112 I believe so. I believe the different versions may correspond to the different kits that are available. However the basic function of all of them should be the same.
The EP does not have the manual safety but I believe that all the other models do and that if it has a manual safety it performs as described on puncturing the CO2. @@sleepwalker2112
Court over coffin anyday. I carry Byrna SD to protect from 2 legged and four legged coyotes. Understand. I'm Canadian but will not adhere to giving up my right to self protect.
Correction: This is not "classified" as a firearm would be, but by definition, it is actually a firearm. It is able to chamber and fire a projectile using propellant and meets the definition of firearm in the CCC.
I highly agree with you. Canada is Not very knowledgeable about the brynas. I just got back to states from visiting family in Winnipeg and my bryna was Seized. Reason was the psi was at 300 and it was black and they considered it a replica of a handgun. So I was out 350$.
Ooof! So they never gave it back? I would say you could sue them in small claims but the time, paperwork and court fees would probably amount to more than that. What a shame. I’m sorry this happened to you.
I was contemplating about getting one of those less leathal for protection in remote areas where police tesponse is at over 2 hrs. Interesting points you brought up here in this video. However, i am still willing to purchase one before the "wako" in charge makes his last move. Great video👍👍
Thank you brother. Appreciate your thoughts. It’s a very uncertain time for firearm ownership. No doubt the goofball in charge is going to want to do something drastic on the way out to just make it harder for us all one last time.
12:25 " I certainly would not want to be put in a position of having to defend myself in court for defending myself in my own home". So is it better to not have to defend yourself in court and be dead? I'll take legal troubles over death in this scenario. I don't live in Canada but usually, most legal systems err on the side of favoring the accused if the law is ambiguous. It beats not having anything, or in Canada, if it's too hard to get a gun, hopefully, this helps some folks protect themselves. Cheers
I see where you're coming from, but let me clarify. This is not to say that one shouldn't defend themselves. Nor that they shouldn't legally be able to do the same. As I also stated in the video, I think people everywhere should have the fundamental right of defending themselves, their property, and their family. What I meant to say was that I wouldn't want to be in that position, despite the fact that if I HAD to defend myself, and that resulted in someone being hurt or killed, of course I would defend my family. That doesn't detract from not wanting to ever be put in that position to begin with, nor having to deal with the aftermath later. That said, you're not going to be telling the home invader as he's breaking down your door "Hold on man, I need to consider my options. Can you just chill here for a bit while I decide the best course of action?" :P This is a difficult subject - especially in Canada. If you don't live here, I can understand how you wouldn't have the perspective that we do when it comes to self defense. It's not right, but as citizens there is only so much we can do, and we need to do with the system that we have what we can.
I would be wanting to know where this particular launcher would fit into the hunting category. I think it would definitely take a grouse down or other small game? If anything I’d say it would even be fun to take out camping and shoot targets with it at the very least. As far as an option for self defence it would be a deterrent but if you are defending yourself in a life or death situation then well at that point I’d do whatever I felt was necessary. I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by six so the saying goes. Thanks for the informative video👍🏻
I checked with Byrna and they told me the Byrna launcher IS a FIREARM IN CANADA. The Byrna is classified as a FIREARM but is exempt from the need of a firearms license because it is under 500FPS and therefore exempt under 84(3) like any BB gun or other Airsaoft are. This is the official position of Byrna Canada and Byrna USA and is backed up by the RCMP data base listing in the Firearms Reference Table.
I could have told you the same :) Even if their position was different, it wouldn’t change that it’s just like any Airsoft gun. What makes them firearms is the definition of what a firearm is in the CCC. What makes them exempt though is more interesting. It comes from a part of the firearms act that talks about firearms that are either prohibited or exempt - such as if it’s a replica firearm (which in itself also has a definition under the CCC). The Byrna fits conveniently under 500fps and over 360fps, low enough to be exempt from license and high enough not to be considered a replica. You can further see this at work if you look at packaging of airsoft guns. Many of them will have stickers or markings denoting having a muzzle velocity in this range so that if inspected by CBSA they can be tested and confirmed not to be a PAL item or a replica.
If you multiply the us price by about 1.3-1.35 you’ll get a good estimate. It’s been a while since I’ve made the video so I don’t know anymore myself. Prices change and fluctuate all the time. You can always check out your local retailer too - as they may be a distributor for these and offer a price in CAD.
Yeah it's very interesting indeed :P I don't discuss pricing on the channel but you can find more info here: byrna.ca/ :) To be honest, I don't think it's worth it. But a very cool concept nonetheless.
They tried. But no. And Byrna is popular because people still seem to think it’s a good tool for self defence here. You’d get the same charge using this as you would a real firearm. Might as well not take any chances if you’re going to choose to defend yourself, IMO
On your person? Concealed? I’d highly recommend against it. Based on my short few years working in the judicial system, I’ve had experience with. Few people charged with very real firearms offences after using replica or airsoft guns. So if you were to pull this out to defend yourself in public, not only could you be charged as if it were a real gun, but the police might not know it’s not a real gun but treat you as if it were. I also wouldn’t recommend this for the use in home defense. The reason for this is that as a lawyer has told me, self defense is a tricky subject. Because it’s one of the few instances where you’d be considered guilty until proving yourself innocent, in that you’d need to show that your use of force was in self defense, AND, that it was proportionate to the force applied to you, and not excessive force. Canada, in my humble opinion, needs to have a second amendment like our US friends do. Still with all our checks, balances and licensing in place. But everyone should have the peace of mind knowing they have the right to defend themselves
@@canadianoperator I agree, we as Canadians need the right to bear arms in Canada for the purpose of self defense both at home and in public but our politicians aren't very smart
@@loganwhite3904 hey Logan, I’ve heard of the brand, is that an airsoft pistol? Your friend are right to be cautious. We don’t have a 2nd amendment in Canada and the criminal code doesn’t give us a lot of leeway in terms of use of force in self defense. If you ever have to use any force to defend yourself, but especially with something that looks like a firearm, there’s a very high likelihood you’ll need to answer to a judge and jury for it, and prove you used force that was not excessive and correct for the situation. Essentially you’d have to prove yourself innocent instead of the prosecutor having to prove you guilty. What I mean by this is, for example, if someone stepped on your property and you told them to leave, and they continued to advance, in some states you’d be justified in the use of force, even lethal force, to stop that threat. A police office sure wouldn’t think twice. But in Canada, that would be considered excessive force and even if you hadn’t planned to kill the introducer, you would still likely face firearms charges and murder or manslaughter charges. It’s wild. We need a way to ensure people can protect themselves. If someone knew you had a gun and could use it to defend your home and family, I am sure they’d think twice before stepping on your property.
If you're willing to accept those consequences, you may as well get a PAL and get an actual firearm. It will be the same charges, and the chances of you actually stopping the threat will be much higher.
It's funny you should say that. My buddy and I were at a range not long ago and talked to one of the guys who worked in their pro shop about this product. And by NO means do i advocate this, as these were his own words: "If you're going to defend your home, you may as well use a real gun." Though of course I know we don't have the laws to support this, nor do I think I would ever want to be in that situation, I do see where he's coming from. Because a firearm would most definitely stop someone in their tracks. For self defense, specifically, HOME defense, we really should have a law that protects us in the event we need to protect ourselves. And the Canadian Criminal Code doesn't go far enough to give us that protection.
@@canadianoperator You better re-read your laws then. There absolutely is a right to self-defence in Canada, but the use of force needs to be proportional to the force being used against you. This also includes the use of any weapons of fortune, as well as firearms (if such level of force is justified under the circumstances). That's how and why police are allowed to use their firearms for self-defence as well. The castle doctrine also exists and applies in your dwelling, if an intruder breaks in and you fear for your life. The authoritarians at the Liberal Party want everyone to think this isn't so and that victims have no legal right to defend themselves in Canada, so don't drink Justin's gaslit Kool-Aid! 🙃
@@SevenSixTwo2012 I have read them. And I’ve spoken to a lawyer about them as well. Read section 34 and 35 of the CCC. While you “can” defend yourself you will have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury that you used reasonable force. This is a lot easier for the police to do than individuals. And you certainly don’t have a “right” to it, because if you did you wouldn’t have to explain your actions to a court and a jury afterwards. As someone who’s worked in an area of law enforcement where use of force was somewhat common, I’m all too aware of having to fill out the paperwork to justify it in case of a lawsuit. Not much has changed since. You are never given the benefit of the doubt when you use force. You always need to prove your innocence instead of the state having to prove you guilty.
@@canadianoperator So self-defence is now a reverse onus offence in Canada? Since when? It was not when I studied criminal law 20 years ago. The castle doctrine also applies in your dwelling, provided that you 'feared for your life' (which is a very subjective criteria and hard to disprove). All you need to do is STFU, don't talk to police and get a good lawyer, then let the prosecution present the 'proof' against you during disclosure and trial. The current Liberal justice system can't even keep gangbangers who do drive-bys and/or smuggle illegal street guns in jail, so you should be pretty safe in your defence. It's time to remove the boogeyman stigma and drummed up lies about self-defence in Canada. At the end of the day, it is legal and you have a right to it. And yes, you will need to lawyer up afterwards and go through the legal process, IF the police elect to charge you with anything after the fact... but at least you're still ALIVE and WELL. There is no moral high ground in being a permanent victim or dead, regardless of what leftist propaganda would have you believe.
I'm a Canadian security guard...I wonder what will be said if I come to work with a Byrna on my hip. I do know Byrna didn't *have any marketing 5 years ago.
That’s something I’d discuss with your employer beforehand. If it’s one of the big guys like G4C or Garda they probably will say no for liability reasons, and their cash divisions have armed guards anyway.
@johnnywishbone932 Our armored car staff carry pistols, so I doubt just *having it would result in me in handcuffs, if I shot someone with it...that's another matter.
So i'd rather get ball bearings instead of the solid rubber projectiles or it wont have the right effect. Anyone breaking into your home does not deserve to walk out of your home. This defense tool is not good enough. The laws need to be changed here in Canada! It's a good product but VERY disappointing that it's not going to permanently stop an intruder.
I like what you said there and I agree. If they make the conscious choice to break in they should not have the opportunity to walk out, and that right there should be at the home owners discretion. We need castle doctrine and stand your ground in Canada.
I would have to say it is pretty depressing to know that our legal system pretty much does not help you when it comes to defending yourself.. The irony is that the government are allowed to do so but you as an ordinary citizen for example could be living in a high-crime area and the chances of having something happen or high. But if they do you pretty much face consequences for protecting yourself and your family which in my opinion I think is ridiculous. I have no idea what's wrong with our government and why they're making such ridiculous laws. Because let's face it there are people out there that are dangerous convicted criminals and gangsters that are out there who don't have the same moral compass as other people. Like most people don't want to hurt someone but are also able to do so in the event that their lives are being threatened and their family. The government needs to change and stop giving privileges and more rights to a criminal especially if there are career criminal. Doesn't feel very settling to know that you're just trying to live your life knowing that criminals will basically get away with hurting you well maybe not get away with it if they are arrested but then at the same time your whole life could get messed up simply for protecting yourself against a psychopath.
I couldn't agree more. We can't feel comfortable defending our homes from a burglar, but Trudeau can walk around with 6-8 armed men in public and that's fine. Our system's a joke.
Why would Canadians vote for less rights? You can’t even defend yourself in your own home. It’s crazy but they continue to vote for liberals…. Makes no sense.
Even if it was legal to carry on the street I wouldn't recommend open carry it because if it look like a gun you would be stopped by police and if it looks like a taser you would be stopped by police all the time if your gonna carry the byrna I would conceal it in a pocket this is not legal advice btw but if your gonna use any weapon in canada baton/ bearspray /dogspray/byrna sd/taser /knife. just avoid police if police are near don't draw a weapon like byrna cause police will arrest you and the Person attacking you but if police can't protect you then protect yourself with reasonable force
Hi there. Great question. Yes there are dealers here that sell them. I’ve even seen it at Target Spirts which is a range. As for the pepper balls, be very careful with that. I’d use their kinetic balls for practice maybe. But at that rate you’d be better off getting an airsoft gun if all you want to do is practice your pistol discipline. Remember, if you use a firearm as a weapon, even if it’s not a real firearm, you WILL face criminal charges as if it were a real firearm.
It’s not a gun. And it’s not in your face. It’s pointed at the camera, not another person. No firearm is ever pointed at a person in any of my videos. All ammunition is always stored locked up, firearms are always proven clear, and pointed in safe directions. And lastly, this is a recorded video and I’m not live, nor can I change the content of the video after the fact.
@@turdburglar1275 Maybe could have thrown in an emoji or something, I take that kind of stuff pretty seriously. Because I would never advocate for anyone to do that, to anyone.
so if you defend yourself with a byrna. shoot and injured an attacker.. not killed them, then the charge would be what? attempted murder?.. with a non lethal weapon.. Im sure it would be an issue in the courts.. but i guess thats a risk Canadians may have to take to protect themselves. I think im being nice by using a non lethal weapon.
It would be assault with a weapon. In Canada, using anything that looks like a firearm in a way that you would use a firearm can land you the same charges as if you had used an actual firearm. Do with that information as you will.
@@canadianoperator I'm curious is it that the majority approves of the way the law is setup and is OK with it or is it a case that the majority have no say in the matter?
I'm right there with you buddy. Now don't get me wrong. No politician is perfect. But I think I speak for many millions of people when I say I've had just about enough of Justin's bullshit antics and lying to people with a straight face. In a police interview, doing that would get you classed as a narcissistic sociopath for which you'd likely be recommended mental health screening. Yet this is the guy running our country.
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Sounds like in Canada if someone wants to harm you, your best weapon is to just say “I beg your pardon” or else you will go to prison for defending yourself even with a piece chopsticks.
My wife read this and we laughed so hard we almost had things coming out of our noses. 😂
Just a quick correction. We don’t say “I beg your pardon”. In Canada, we just say “sorrey, eh.”
You are not allowed to defend yourself in Canada, if you shoot someone in self-defence, you are automatically accused. Presumption of innocence do not apply per criminal code when in self defense, one would actually have to prove themselve innocent through court. Canada's biggest fail in law.
@@zara-ux6kn you are not wrong. Kinda. Section 34 and 35 of the CCC speak to defense of self and property.
S. 34 states use of force must be reasonable under the circumstances. Just as you mentioned, the burden of proof to show the circumstances and use of force were reasonable rests with the party defending themselves.
S. 35 is even more strict. Because Canada has no stand your ground or castle laws, essentially you could be justified in grabbing someone trespassing on your property to remove them, but no more than that. And still, you’d probably be charged with assault.
This according to a criminal law lawyer I literally spoke with just minutes ago.
@@canadianoperator one guy in Ontario just got a murder charge after defending himself from an home invasion by five armed guys. In the US, we would have called him a hero. In Canada, he might be put away with the perpetrators. So sad...
@@zara-ux6kn Oh man, I heard about this. I think his mother (who he lived with) might have depended on him for help around the house.
Now imagine this, if he gets put away, the rest of the 4 guys know his mother will be alone, and can return.
How is this justice?
If the government wasn't trying to start communism here, they would have nothing to fear. Law abiding citizens with firearms are not the problem in our community. Gangs and organized crime is. But the government is too scared to confront them.
There was another guy last month who killed an OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) officer at the beginning of his career. This guy who pulled the trigger had priors for firearms and assault on police, and was released on bail while awaiting another court appearance. During that time, he shot and killed the police officer, who was responding for a call for help from a passing motorist after the perp's car went into a ditch.
Absolutely unreal. If this channel takes off, I am moving to the US. Mark my words.
Canadian here, I'm glad people are talking about the law its self for self defence in Canada. When I went and got my Restricted and Non Restricted PAL. During the course we had a moment to go around the class and handle these firearms and someone asked the question of "if someone breaks into my house can I use a firearm to defend myself" He didn't get the whole question out before our instructor told us that she wasn't in the position to provide a full detailed answer, but she's gonna go with no. To which about 80% of that class was filled with "What??? Cause this was probably the first time they were told this. Several students mainly of people between the ages of 20-30 years old did not know this about Canada and I really feel it's not talked about enough its not protested enough to get the point across to people that as Canadians we have 0 right to defend ourselves and that needs to change.
This is addressed "theoretically" in section 34 of the Canadian Criminal Code. However, the problem with this not being a right enshrined in our charter is that any judge can take that section and interpret it how they see fit. That should not be allowed if someone is trying to defend their family, spouse, pets or property.
Very informative and intelligent responses from both of you. Learned a lot just in the comment section from you guys:) thanks
when the entire canadian gun culture cucked themselves into saying guns are for sporting purposes (which is a fucking lie) to have their stuff not banned.
You said "I wouldn't want to be in the position of defending myself in court for defending myself in my own home" which I think we can all agree, but if you were in a position where you were facing an attacker in your home would you defend yourself regardless of if you used a weapon or your fists, or would you just roll over and take what's coming? I know I would rather defend myself in my home and then in court then allow someone to harm me in any way shape or form.
I’m glad you asked instead of assumed. Because of course I would do whatever it would take to keep my family safe and deal with the consequences later.
My point in saying this though wasn’t to say that you should stop in a home invasion situation to think about what consequences you’ll face based on your actions.
But rather, that you shouldn’t have to think about those things, because of course the health and well being of you and your family is far more important than anything else.
If you need to ask someone for permission to defend your own life, you are not asking the right questions.
Couldn't agree more.
I just bought the LE for our home in Canada.
Wife and I will be doing some training on this so we can use it effectively.
We are both disabled and our area in is experiencing a increase in crime. Our car and our neighbors car was vandalized. Lots of people scoping cars and houses in the middle of the night. We are both disabled and I am worried for my wife's safety.
My take is if someone is breaking into my home at any time, they are a threat to our lives due to our health and disabilities.
So I will do whatever it takes to defend our lives, no matter what the government says. They are not here if this happens so.....ya.
I would rather be judged by 12 than be carried by 6.
I can empathize about having a disability, as I have one myself. Though to be honest if it came down to it I'd rather use a proper firearm because this may prove to be ineffective and you'd probably get charged all the same using something like this versus an actual firearm. That said I don't condone violence but I would do anything to protect my family, and we should have laws that accommodate that.
@@canadianoperator so would I believe me. I don’t have an FAC nor a firearm.
I get it. It’s a scary situation. I am 60 now with massive back issues. I was an amateur boxer back in the 80’s. and also have a blue belt in Tae Kwon Do.
That was many moons ago.
But with my issues I doubt that I could fend off anyone for more than a few minutes.
@@crashandburngaming5103Have you considered getting your PAL?
I just got an LE in as well but am yet to try her out. I can't wait!!! I didn't get the orange member card with mine. Did you end up getting that with your order?
@@canadianoperator what good is a PAL in Canada? You can’t have anything chambered, ammo has to be stored somewhere under lock and key, and your trigger has to be locked.
You would be dead by the time you had an operable firearm.
Plus if you used it you are the one who would go to jail as you can’t use it to defend yourself anyway.
Canada law does have a Castle law.
The Gov literally wants you to just take whatever is gonna happen, and if you defend yourself the odds of you being prosecuted by filthy defence lawyers is pretty high.
They are also trying to pass law to take away any type of air controlled firearm as well.
It’s probably just better to move out of Canada.
Just last night a guy 10 blocks away from me was killed in his driveway in broad daylight.
I think all these non lethal self defense tools especially the projectiles are a terrific idea.
They would be if they could be safely used without having to explain to a judge why. You’d think that self defended would be a fundamental human right, but I guess in Canada you’re still liable even if you want to defend yourself :P
I'm hoping this changes with a newly elected government regarding self defense@@canadianoperator
The Allen key is on the end of the mag
Good to know, thanks!
Thank you :)
I just bought one of these a few days ago yes they are a little pricey but..the quality is definitely there and is a good idea for training purposes and just to have just in case because you never know.. I think this is a good idea to carry when you're in the bush for aggressive wildlife
Definitely a good training tool. But honestly in Canada I just don’t think it makes any sense. At least for its intended use of home and personal defense.
@@canadianoperator any kind of weapon is Handy to have because you just never know and who knows it might be worth its weight in gold when it eventually gets banned in Canada😆😉
@@robertyoung9813 first of all, it’s a firearm. We don’t own weapons, because we don’t use them as such.
Secondly, good point lol. With how off the chain these desperate liberals are these days it’s hard to determine when the next ban wave will hit.
Thankfully we have a potentially gun-tolerant government coming into power soon (crossing fingers) which will focus more on education, our current and very strong licensing system, and most importantly fighting the illegal gun problem, smuggling, and ghost gun manufacturing.
We can only hope.
Canadian law states you can not carry or conceal it other than in your house.
Thank you for the insight of the legal implications. This is my understanding of the trigger question you had; The trigger pulls in both Safe/Live settings because it will pierce the CO2 cartridge on safe to assure the first round has full pressure. That way you can leave a non-pierced CO2 cartridge in the "launcher" and it won't bleed down over time. It will fire on the first trigger pull (in live mode) even if you have not pre-pierced the cartridge but you may not have full pressure.
This is an excellent explanation and completely makes sense given the way the "launcher" is put together. Thanks very much for taking the time to share this, and for watching :)
Is this mechanism integrated in all models? EP, SD and LE?
@@sleepwalker2112 I believe so. I believe the different versions may correspond to the different kits that are available. However the basic function of all of them should be the same.
The EP does not have the manual safety but I believe that all the other models do and that if it has a manual safety it performs as described on puncturing the CO2. @@sleepwalker2112
Court over coffin anyday. I carry Byrna SD to protect from 2 legged and four legged coyotes. Understand. I'm Canadian but will not adhere to giving up my right to self protect.
Beautifully said. Can’t agree more.
From what I have read about the bryna on safety the trigger will pull to Pierce the C02 with out firing it
Interesting. So, a two stage trigger? From what I’ve read if it’s a new c02 canister a hard trigger pull will both pierce it and then fire a ball.
The trigger pull while the safety is on allows you to air up the gun, without firing a shot.
Yes, I learned that because I think somebody else made a very similar comment to yours. Nevertheless, thanks for the heads up :-)
Correction: This is not "classified" as a firearm would be, but by definition, it is actually a firearm. It is able to chamber and fire a projectile using propellant and meets the definition of firearm in the CCC.
I highly agree with you. Canada is Not very knowledgeable about the brynas. I just got back to states from visiting family in Winnipeg and my bryna was Seized. Reason was the psi was at 300 and it was black and they considered it a replica of a handgun. So I was out 350$.
Ooof! So they never gave it back? I would say you could sue them in small claims but the time, paperwork and court fees would probably amount to more than that. What a shame. I’m sorry this happened to you.
Rather face an assault charge then get stabbed by a crackhead
100% absolutely agree with you there :)
I was contemplating about getting one of those less leathal for protection in remote areas where police tesponse is at over 2 hrs. Interesting points you brought up here in this video. However, i am still willing to purchase one before the "wako" in charge makes his last move. Great video👍👍
Thank you brother. Appreciate your thoughts. It’s a very uncertain time for firearm ownership. No doubt the goofball in charge is going to want to do something drastic on the way out to just make it harder for us all one last time.
I own one but used pepper spray balls, way more efficient.
I could imagine. Would not want to be hit with either :P
You must be in the US. I don't think you can have those in Chinada???
12:25 " I certainly would not want to be put in a position of having to defend myself in court for defending myself in my own home". So is it better to not have to defend yourself in court and be dead? I'll take legal troubles over death in this scenario. I don't live in Canada but usually, most legal systems err on the side of favoring the accused if the law is ambiguous. It beats not having anything, or in Canada, if it's too hard to get a gun, hopefully, this helps some folks protect themselves. Cheers
I see where you're coming from, but let me clarify.
This is not to say that one shouldn't defend themselves. Nor that they shouldn't legally be able to do the same. As I also stated in the video, I think people everywhere should have the fundamental right of defending themselves, their property, and their family.
What I meant to say was that I wouldn't want to be in that position, despite the fact that if I HAD to defend myself, and that resulted in someone being hurt or killed, of course I would defend my family. That doesn't detract from not wanting to ever be put in that position to begin with, nor having to deal with the aftermath later.
That said, you're not going to be telling the home invader as he's breaking down your door "Hold on man, I need to consider my options. Can you just chill here for a bit while I decide the best course of action?" :P
This is a difficult subject - especially in Canada. If you don't live here, I can understand how you wouldn't have the perspective that we do when it comes to self defense. It's not right, but as citizens there is only so much we can do, and we need to do with the system that we have what we can.
I would be wanting to know where this particular launcher would fit into the hunting category. I think it would definitely take a grouse down or other small game? If anything I’d say it would even be fun to take out camping and shoot targets with it at the very least. As far as an option for self defence it would be a deterrent but if you are defending yourself in a life or death situation then well at that point I’d do whatever I felt was necessary. I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by six so the saying goes. Thanks for the informative video👍🏻
This is definitely not designed for hunting. Thanks for watching :)
@@canadianoperator I know it’s not designed for hunting I have other tools for that.
Good review. Do you know if the grimburg galve or tr50 are legal in Canada?
Not sure if I already responded here - but thank you! Also, I’m not sure about those, sorry :(
I checked with Byrna and they told me the Byrna launcher IS a FIREARM IN CANADA. The Byrna is classified as a FIREARM but is exempt from the need of a firearms license because it is under 500FPS and therefore exempt under 84(3) like any BB gun or other Airsaoft are. This is the official position of Byrna Canada and Byrna USA and is backed up by the RCMP data base listing in the Firearms Reference Table.
I could have told you the same :) Even if their position was different, it wouldn’t change that it’s just like any Airsoft gun.
What makes them firearms is the definition of what a firearm is in the CCC. What makes them exempt though is more interesting. It comes from a part of the firearms act that talks about firearms that are either prohibited or exempt - such as if it’s a replica firearm (which in itself also has a definition under the CCC). The Byrna fits conveniently under 500fps and over 360fps, low enough to be exempt from license and high enough not to be considered a replica.
You can further see this at work if you look at packaging of airsoft guns. Many of them will have stickers or markings denoting having a muzzle velocity in this range so that if inspected by CBSA they can be tested and confirmed not to be a PAL item or a replica.
How much does it cost to get the SD Canadian kit in CAD cause the websites so USD and I’m confused regarding for price
If you multiply the us price by about 1.3-1.35 you’ll get a good estimate. It’s been a while since I’ve made the video so I don’t know anymore myself. Prices change and fluctuate all the time. You can always check out your local retailer too - as they may be a distributor for these and offer a price in CAD.
It's $800 CDN
@@mychar1365hey… HEY! Wife friendly channel here!
Interesting item. What is the cost of the unit and replacement ammunition?
Yeah it's very interesting indeed :P I don't discuss pricing on the channel but you can find more info here: byrna.ca/ :) To be honest, I don't think it's worth it. But a very cool concept nonetheless.
$800 CDN
Didn’t they ban all fire arms in Canada. And that’s why Bryna is popular.
They tried. But no. And Byrna is popular because people still seem to think it’s a good tool for self defence here. You’d get the same charge using this as you would a real firearm. Might as well not take any chances if you’re going to choose to defend yourself, IMO
No. Firearms are not banned in Canada. Yet......
If you used this on someone that broke into your house you’d get charged the same as if you used a fire arm?? Really?!?
Are you supposed to tickle your aggressor with that toy?
Yes. :P
Would I be able to walk with a Byrna in Canada or can I use this to protect my family
On your person? Concealed? I’d highly recommend against it.
Based on my short few years working in the judicial system, I’ve had experience with. Few people charged with very real firearms offences after using replica or airsoft guns.
So if you were to pull this out to defend yourself in public, not only could you be charged as if it were a real gun, but the police might not know it’s not a real gun but treat you as if it were.
I also wouldn’t recommend this for the use in home defense. The reason for this is that as a lawyer has told me, self defense is a tricky subject. Because it’s one of the few instances where you’d be considered guilty until proving yourself innocent, in that you’d need to show that your use of force was in self defense, AND, that it was proportionate to the force applied to you, and not excessive force.
Canada, in my humble opinion, needs to have a second amendment like our US friends do. Still with all our checks, balances and licensing in place. But everyone should have the peace of mind knowing they have the right to defend themselves
@@canadianoperator I agree, we as Canadians need the right to bear arms in Canada for the purpose of self defense both at home and in public but our politicians aren't very smart
@@loganwhite3904 the people hold the true power. It just depends how pissed off they are before the government actually does something.
@@canadianoperator I'm in a wheelchair and I bought the Umarex HDR 68 but I'm scared to use it against a trespasser because friends tell me not to
@@loganwhite3904 hey Logan, I’ve heard of the brand, is that an airsoft pistol?
Your friend are right to be cautious. We don’t have a 2nd amendment in Canada and the criminal code doesn’t give us a lot of leeway in terms of use of force in self defense.
If you ever have to use any force to defend yourself, but especially with something that looks like a firearm, there’s a very high likelihood you’ll need to answer to a judge and jury for it, and prove you used force that was not excessive and correct for the situation. Essentially you’d have to prove yourself innocent instead of the prosecutor having to prove you guilty.
What I mean by this is, for example, if someone stepped on your property and you told them to leave, and they continued to advance, in some states you’d be justified in the use of force, even lethal force, to stop that threat. A police office sure wouldn’t think twice. But in Canada, that would be considered excessive force and even if you hadn’t planned to kill the introducer, you would still likely face firearms charges and murder or manslaughter charges.
It’s wild. We need a way to ensure people can protect themselves.
If someone knew you had a gun and could use it to defend your home and family, I am sure they’d think twice before stepping on your property.
I would gladly face charges if it meant I protected my family's lives from threat of harm. I'm getting one of these things.
If you're willing to accept those consequences, you may as well get a PAL and get an actual firearm. It will be the same charges, and the chances of you actually stopping the threat will be much higher.
I have 4 daughters and my wife to protect. That's all I'm going to say about what I think about the Canadian law.
And I would agree with you 💯%.
Are the chemical rounds not available in canada?
I don’t think so.
The chemical rounds use a pepper spray like substance, making them an illegal and prohibited weapon in Canada
@@canucksfan9420prohibited device*
@@canadianoperator I bought an SD over a year ago, and purchased a Byrna TCR just last month. Both look to be quite effective.
@@canucksfan9420 Good to hear :)
great video very informing
Thank you very much brother, really appreciate you taking the time to watch and share your thoughts!
I would think it might make the attacker more mad. It might slow him down enough to grab a baseball bat or knife or something and run if you can.
It's funny you should say that. My buddy and I were at a range not long ago and talked to one of the guys who worked in their pro shop about this product.
And by NO means do i advocate this, as these were his own words: "If you're going to defend your home, you may as well use a real gun."
Though of course I know we don't have the laws to support this, nor do I think I would ever want to be in that situation, I do see where he's coming from. Because a firearm would most definitely stop someone in their tracks.
For self defense, specifically, HOME defense, we really should have a law that protects us in the event we need to protect ourselves. And the Canadian Criminal Code doesn't go far enough to give us that protection.
@@canadianoperator You better re-read your laws then. There absolutely is a right to self-defence in Canada, but the use of force needs to be proportional to the force being used against you. This also includes the use of any weapons of fortune, as well as firearms (if such level of force is justified under the circumstances). That's how and why police are allowed to use their firearms for self-defence as well. The castle doctrine also exists and applies in your dwelling, if an intruder breaks in and you fear for your life.
The authoritarians at the Liberal Party want everyone to think this isn't so and that victims have no legal right to defend themselves in Canada, so don't drink Justin's gaslit Kool-Aid! 🙃
@@SevenSixTwo2012 I have read them. And I’ve spoken to a lawyer about them as well. Read section 34 and 35 of the CCC. While you “can” defend yourself you will have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury that you used reasonable force. This is a lot easier for the police to do than individuals. And you certainly don’t have a “right” to it, because if you did you wouldn’t have to explain your actions to a court and a jury afterwards. As someone who’s worked in an area of law enforcement where use of force was somewhat common, I’m all too aware of having to fill out the paperwork to justify it in case of a lawsuit. Not much has changed since. You are never given the benefit of the doubt when you use force. You always need to prove your innocence instead of the state having to prove you guilty.
@@canadianoperator So self-defence is now a reverse onus offence in Canada? Since when? It was not when I studied criminal law 20 years ago. The castle doctrine also applies in your dwelling, provided that you 'feared for your life' (which is a very subjective criteria and hard to disprove). All you need to do is STFU, don't talk to police and get a good lawyer, then let the prosecution present the 'proof' against you during disclosure and trial.
The current Liberal justice system can't even keep gangbangers who do drive-bys and/or smuggle illegal street guns in jail, so you should be pretty safe in your defence. It's time to remove the boogeyman stigma and drummed up lies about self-defence in Canada. At the end of the day, it is legal and you have a right to it.
And yes, you will need to lawyer up afterwards and go through the legal process, IF the police elect to charge you with anything after the fact... but at least you're still ALIVE and WELL. There is no moral high ground in being a permanent victim or dead, regardless of what leftist propaganda would have you believe.
I'm a Canadian security guard...I wonder what will be said if I come to work with a Byrna on my hip. I do know Byrna didn't *have any marketing 5 years ago.
That’s something I’d discuss with your employer beforehand. If it’s one of the big guys like G4C or Garda they probably will say no for liability reasons, and their cash divisions have armed guards anyway.
@@GoryEyedBeast1978 You would go to jail.
@johnnywishbone932 Our armored car staff carry pistols, so I doubt just *having it would result in me in handcuffs, if I shot someone with it...that's another matter.
Great Style brother!!
Thank you bro! So nice to see you here, thanks so much for watching man, much love :)
So i'd rather get ball bearings instead of the solid rubber projectiles or it wont have the right effect. Anyone breaking into your home does not deserve to walk out of your home. This defense tool is not good enough. The laws need to be changed here in Canada! It's a good product but VERY disappointing that it's not going to permanently stop an intruder.
I like what you said there and I agree. If they make the conscious choice to break in they should not have the opportunity to walk out, and that right there should be at the home owners discretion.
We need castle doctrine and stand your ground in Canada.
Simply be sure to buy the orange colored Byrna for the psychological advantage in any potential court battle.
lol, not sure how that would work in your favour but hey, whatever little advantage you can get right? :P
I would have to say it is pretty depressing to know that our legal system pretty much does not help you when it comes to defending yourself..
The irony is that the government are allowed to do so but you as an ordinary citizen for example could be living in a high-crime area and the chances of having something happen or high. But if they do you pretty much face consequences for protecting yourself and your family which in my opinion I think is ridiculous. I have no idea what's wrong with our government and why they're making such ridiculous laws. Because let's face it there are people out there that are dangerous convicted criminals and gangsters that are out there who don't have the same moral compass as other people. Like most people don't want to hurt someone but are also able to do so in the event that their lives are being threatened and their family. The government needs to change and stop giving privileges and more rights to a criminal especially if there are career criminal. Doesn't feel very settling to know that you're just trying to live your life knowing that criminals will basically get away with hurting you well maybe not get away with it if they are arrested but then at the same time your whole life could get messed up simply for protecting yourself against a psychopath.
I couldn't agree more. We can't feel comfortable defending our homes from a burglar, but Trudeau can walk around with 6-8 armed men in public and that's fine. Our system's a joke.
Well your in 🇨🇦 so I understand
Thanks? 😂
Why would Canadians vote for less rights? You can’t even defend yourself in your own home. It’s crazy but they continue to vote for liberals…. Makes no sense.
I’m just as stumped as you are.
at the price that are sold in Canada not wort it. 699. plus tax
You could get a small rifle for that money :)
Even if it was legal to carry on the street I wouldn't recommend open carry it because if it look like a gun you would be stopped by police and if it looks like a taser you would be stopped by police all the time if your gonna carry the byrna I would conceal it in a pocket this is not legal advice btw but if your gonna use any weapon in canada baton/ bearspray /dogspray/byrna sd/taser /knife. just avoid police if police are near don't draw a weapon like byrna cause police will arrest you and the
Person attacking you but if police can't protect you then protect yourself with reasonable force
Instead of "avoid police" I would say just don't conceal carry a weapon that you plan on using on another person. Problem solved. :P
Live in ontario brampton ,
Can i purchase this here and do they send the peppery balls with the gun ..
Cheers
Hi there. Great question. Yes there are dealers here that sell them. I’ve even seen it at Target Spirts which is a range.
As for the pepper balls, be very careful with that. I’d use their kinetic balls for practice maybe. But at that rate you’d be better off getting an airsoft gun if all you want to do is practice your pistol discipline.
Remember, if you use a firearm as a weapon, even if it’s not a real firearm, you WILL face criminal charges as if it were a real firearm.
5:45 get that gun out of my face
It’s not a gun. And it’s not in your face. It’s pointed at the camera, not another person.
No firearm is ever pointed at a person in any of my videos. All ammunition is always stored locked up, firearms are always proven clear, and pointed in safe directions.
And lastly, this is a recorded video and I’m not live, nor can I change the content of the video after the fact.
@@canadianoperator Yeah I was kidding man.
Cheers
@@turdburglar1275 Maybe could have thrown in an emoji or something, I take that kind of stuff pretty seriously. Because I would never advocate for anyone to do that, to anyone.
If its over 11 joules its a gun and subject restrictions.
Not necessarily. Check s. 84 of the CCC for the definition.
so if you defend yourself with a byrna. shoot and injured an attacker.. not killed them, then the charge would be what? attempted murder?.. with a non lethal weapon.. Im sure it would be an issue in the courts.. but i guess thats a risk Canadians may have to take to protect themselves. I think im being nice by using a non lethal weapon.
It would be assault with a weapon. In Canada, using anything that looks like a firearm in a way that you would use a firearm can land you the same charges as if you had used an actual firearm. Do with that information as you will.
So if somebody harm you the only choiceis play dead 😂😂😂
Yeah lol basically pretend the bad guy is a bear. That’s your best chance :P
@@canadianoperator I'm curious is it that the majority approves of the way the law is setup and is OK with it or is it a case that the majority have no say in the matter?
u have to wait until ur shot say sorry then wait to die ite that bad
Pretty much. I say it time and time again but if someone breaks into your home they should not have the privilege of walking out.
This is what happens when people keep voting liberal. SMH.
I'm right there with you buddy.
Now don't get me wrong. No politician is perfect. But I think I speak for many millions of people when I say I've had just about enough of Justin's bullshit antics and lying to people with a straight face.
In a police interview, doing that would get you classed as a narcissistic sociopath for which you'd likely be recommended mental health screening. Yet this is the guy running our country.
No it’s not worth it
Couldn’t agree more.
You need to take your glasses off....
No thanks :)
Why are you wearing sunglasses inside?
Because I wear my sunglasses at night. 😎