The Problems with Lies Women Believe by Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth - Episode 223
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2024
- Lies Women Believe by Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth is one of the most popular women’s bible study books used in churches across North America. But what does the book actually teach about marriage? About sex? About divorce and abuse? It’s scary, and today Gretchen Baskerville and Natalie Hoffman join host Sheila Wray Gregoire to analyze the harmful messages in Lies Women Believe.
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I have been in evangelical churches my entire life (I'm 58). I have never heard a lesson on what healthy relationships look like. Why don't we put as much energy into that as teaching women to put up with toxic and dangerous relationships.
I'm 56 and same. 1000%
One of the phrases that drives me up the wall is, Treat him like a king and he'll treat you like a queen. Well, in a lot of healthy marriages, there is truth in that. Mine wasn't healthy and he was often angry. Worried about money, upset over his addictions, etc. If a man wants to be reckless, it doesn't matter what the wife is doing or not doing.
@@JenniferG-jm4rh same. I agree 💯💯💯
Sheila and Rebecca are teaching the relationship health, love and respect that is long overdue and are living their truth. By their fruits you shall know them. 20,000 Christian women can't be wrong.
Well in my opinion faith can make us really dumb if we believe bible holds absolute answers. Bible really doesn't teach us that much about marriage so people who teach it are left with this circumstance specific advice that really can make your lufe hell if made the leading principle.
I used to listen to Nancy’s podcast Revive Our Hearts for years… I love the Lord and I wanted to learn more about him and saturate myself in His word.
One day I just turned it off. Stopped listening.
And you know what I noticed… I stopped feeling bad about myself. The shame went away. The hyper-vigilant self-introspection of just waiting to catch myself in a sin stopped. I began to feel loved by God and I took joy in my life. It was not a coincidence.
That is so telling! Wow.
Wow… these women have brought such peace and justice to my life!!! And your power of a praying wife episode is on my saved podcasts and I listen to it when I need to get pumped up to stay on track. You are all heroes in my book! Powerhouses in the faith!!!❤❤❤❤
Brought lies ! Check with scripture ! Not their claim and misleading messages.
@@soniakakunze9120 How are they misleading? Because they go right from Scripture which contradicts what you may be hearing from a pastor who was taught to dominate and exploit women and children?
And brainwashed women to put up with bad treatment, bad behavior, violence toward them and their children and then glory in their suffering?
I came here to hear a review on the book because it received 100 positive comments on a women's Facebook group recently. I shared Gretchen's review.
Thank you. So few people take a close look at what she's saying and the fruit of this kind of teaching.
This book. . . . damned me. Told my 12 or 13 year old heart that I was in sin for longing to be loved, for being hurt by friends who abandonded me. I genuinely believed isolation was godly.
I'm so sorry! I hope you're starting to heal.
Three of my favorite women all together!!! ❤🎉🎉
"Jesus does not ask us to suffer so that other people can sin more" yes!! The teachings about suffering are taught so wrong! They perpetuate abuses rather than what Jesus actually came to do which was to set captives free!!!
The Catholic church has excellent theology on suffering, mercy, forgiveness.
When I moved I threw this book and Lies Young Women Believe (which I used for my youth group-so sorry for that)into the dumpster
I read that book when I was going through a mentally hard time. I didn't read the whole thing, but what I read really messed up my mind and heart. Glad to hear that people recognize how toxic that book is.
Thank you for this.
'God can change anyone, heal any marriage etc...' what about freedom of choice, and if a person is open to be changed?
'Feeling lonely' is not loving God enough?? Yikes. I recall a story of a child scared in the night and coming to parents for a hug, being told its ok, God is with you, back to bed. The child replies 'I know but sometimes I need God with skin on' . As you say we are created to be in company with others. Trinity is God as Community.
'I have rights' is a lie???? Wars and oppression come from people denying the rights of others; resisting that, is bad? Traffic = taking turns - brilliant take down of her example.
As a wife of 31 years and mother of 5, all I can say is if the author isn't a mother or married, we just shouldn't be taking advice from them. I spent so many year of my marriage and mothering being so poorly equipped because of the mentality in books like this, feeling like such a failure. I didn't have the language around spiritual manipulation or mental/emotional load. We absolutely can/should/need to do better.
1. I'm glad that this channel exists, because it gives me an ever-growing list of "Christian" books to avoid.
2. This author sounds so self-righteous, and out of touch with reality, that she reminds me of Mr. Brocklehurst from Jane Eyre. The classism reeks like a dead fish, and you can't convince me that she ever had a hard day in her life.
3. Thank you, ladies, for the education. Also, I like the blue streak, Sheila.
Several married couples I'm friends with have children who died, and it was heartbreaking. I can't imagine how hard it was for them to deal with it. I never went through that experience, but watching them go through it gave me an opportunity to reach out with love and be there to go to the memorial service or bring them a meal or somehow show up and show love to them in some way. That's what real friends do, not shame them.
So many churches have over all theology that God is in heaven with a big hammer waiting to pound and smash you every time you make a mistake, honest or not. Women believe these books (and write them) because that’s what they’re already wrongly being taught about God. We must know who we are in Christ and how much we are truly loved by Him. So much flows from that truth.
"Love others as you love yourself"...implies that you love yourself
The utter condescension and superiority coming off the pages
You are spot on, Sheila, Gretchen and Natalie!
::EDITED TO ADD:: why is it that much of evangelical literature (or even secular “positivity” self-help advice, for that matter) refuse to distinguish “unhappy” from “in pain”? Something I’m so grateful to ky parents for instilling in me: respecting the meanings of words. Needs vs wants. “Unhappy” vs tortured (my parents struggled a lot with external struggles so happiness was defined as a fleeting feeling that came with extraordinary circumstances. Unhappy was not the same as in pain. Remaining with someone who caused you pain was never something I was told accept as a Biblical expectation. Dealing with chronic health issues on the other hand--you may not be “happy” but if you have healthy relationships the physical pain is manageable-you have peace. I hope that makes sense.)
Also, slightly off-topic: Nancy’s “rebuttal” to the belief in rights sounds suspiciously like Hannah from Just Pearly Things. Obviously Nancy came first so I can’t help but wonder if Hannah (who is a professed Christian) got messages from Nancy’s book at some point as a teen and internalized them enough to be fertile fields for the current Red Pill/Manosphere movement. (Just watched an essay on Hannah’s rise to fame and her messaging to Gen Z women, something that comes up in discussion in my feeds from time to time. The trends are … nothing if not unsettling.)
It makes perfect sense. And the through line of toxic positivity, denial of legitimate pain and it's causes keep people stuck in toxic patterns; and now that you mention it, does seem to support the alarming red pill thinking among young men.
As more as I listen to your podcasts about those books, I more and more start to assume that all those authors been through horrible things/ witnessed horrible things and are now trying to gaslight themselves and the whole public that it was and is all fine.... that is the result when people dont seek for healthy therapy...
Thank you for pointing out the mouse turds in the lemonade so that I can avoid the whole cocktail! You three are bringing the True Word of God
I am 74 and have been married for 56 years. My husband was emotionally abusive for years, and although I agree that N DeM takes it too far - I stopped listening to her years ago, too - I am glad that I chose to rejoice in suffering (Rom 5) because I now have the most amazing marriage - not perfect, but worth the years of waiting.
I have been looking forward to this one!
Yes there is time. But she is not recognizing marriage induced depression or the emotional emptiness and how much that just drains you.
You make a good point. What if one's diagnosis of situational depression is NOT due to a lack of gratitude or faith, but due to the put-downs, criticism, manipulation, deceit, and selfishness dished out by one's mate? If that doesn't make a person depressed, I don't know what will.
@@gretchenbaskerville8067 It sure did me. I had to be hospitalized. When I got out, I took my baby and left. That first narcissistic husband went on to break the spirits and the minds of two more very excellent women. The last one didn't get away soon enough.
Thank you for pointing out that the Bible does not say that the man is the head of the house!
What if those wives staying in that abuse, prevented those husbands from being confronted by God earlier because they didn't hit rock bottom when their wives were standing in the gap for their abuser?
I was one of those abused wives. God never would want us to stay in any very abusive marriage. God tried to reach my husband but he would not listen. Staying almost killed me and my husband had no consequences. I protected him. Now I don't know what he's doing but I trust God is dealing with him that he might be saved.
Managing the household means leading the people in the home, not managing as in doing chores.
Okay. I haven't listened to this yet but I will as soon as I can! We are going through this right now and I am having very hard time with it!!! Im curious to hear what you have to say and I'll give my two cents after I've listened. What timing.
Thank you for bringing this book out in the open. I assumed Nancy Demoss was good b/c she has done things with Kay Arthur whom I have always loved. I learned from listening to this podcast that we cannot take someone else's reputation and assume they are ok b/c they are working with someone who is. Everyone must be judged on their own merits. I appreciate all you 3 said. Eye opening podcast.
The kindest thing one can say about this book is that spousal abuse might have been an unintended consequence of it's teachings but when it became evident that psychopaths and narcissists were using it to abuse the women they promised to love honor and cherish, she should have revised it. If she could afford to publish and distribute dangerous instruction to innocent people, she could afford to put out a revised edition. But instead she doubled down. There is no excuse for this. And the fact that it was free gave misogynistic men who should never have been pastors in the first place an excuse to keep it in place. How is this only coming out now? It's a crime against humanity.
Paul mentions Sarah calling Abraham lord and not being fearful. He doesn’t mention Abigail, Huldah or Deborah. The Evangelical church has taken Paul’s words and made cultish teachings out of them. Lydia is mentioned, she owns a business. Also, Priscilla was a tent maker along with her husband besides teaching a man about Jesus.
I believe that was Peter..1 Peter..
@@anthonybarber3872 Okay. Peter's words too. ☺️
This was such a good conversation! Thank you! On a very basic level, why is anyone reading this when she wasn’t even married when she wrote the first edition?? I guess I don’t understand what her expertise would even be? Besides being incredibly disheartening and toxic
I couldn't physically have children and needed a hysterectomy. I also had to use birth control pills to keep my menstrual cycle regulated due to PCOS. Where does Nancy Leigh DeMoss Wolgomuth get off? She never even had kids, anyway.
The "winsome" phrase is a give-away the DeMoss is a Calvinist. Reformed culture has the coldness and lack of sympathy that she reflects, and if you visit any of the spiritual abuse websites, a large number of the churches reported on are Reformed.
Yes, this right here. The Reformed churches are so toxic!! I came from Reformed background, diagnosed complex ptsd
The word “winsome” sounds like someone who is talking with a tight, insincere smile.
@@alliematt1016 ...and saying, "Bless your heart...", lol.
Nancy wrote this book when she was single. She had no experience in marriage at this time. She had a romanticized view of Biblical marriage.
I would not call that evil drivel "romanticized". It was a downright destructive and harmful view.
Actually you’re both correct…romanticized is evil…why? Because it’s distorting reality.
Harmful books romanticizing Biblical marriage also have been written by married women.
Bad advice is bad advice, and good advice is good advice, whoever is offering it.
@@user-mg1no2ux5g I agree with you
It is not so much that she was single but that her advice flies in the face of the actual lived experience of so many women that it is obvious she only repeated something she was told by someone else who knew nothing of what they spoke. That's the way rumor, misinformation and lies distort and obscure the truth and we should all be concerned about protecting truth.
According to the creation story, God wasn't enough for Adam, so he created Eve. Was God enough for Nancy DeMoss since she did get married?
Right
Exactly. Faulty logic. No one is judging Nancy-it’s holding her accountable for blanket statements about loneliness v relationship. It doesn’t work to say God is all you need in life and only God is in your life until magic happens for a spouse to drop in…how can anyone date healthily and be kind and respectful to various dating partners with this idea?! This was a tragic idea I believed because of Nancy that I should just be happy with my female friendships and never ever be lonely or interested for a man’s attention in dating or I was ‘saying’ that my relationship with God wasn’t enough.
I would ask that married women or women with children please be careful to not dismiss the opinions of unmarried/childless women though. I am in my 40’s and unmarried. So this part where Nancy says this is hard because she doesn’t have any kids and the response is “yeah Nancy…” - I understand where that response is coming from, so please don’t misunderstand me. But the problem isn’t so much that Nancy is not a mother. It’s that she’s wrong. I will never have children - I am unable to have children - but that doesn’t automatically mean I don’t have wisdom. I have many women in my life who are mothers, who are in destructive marriages, etc. and I choose to educate myself so that I can have empathy others in many different situations. I wholeheartedly disagree with Nancy on all of these issues. 💛 1:10:49
Very true.
Many married women and/or women with children give bad advice. And many married women give bad advice to single women.
Bad advice is bad advice, and good advice is good advice, from whomever offers it. Neither ad hominem nor pro hominem approaches are helpful.
So true. You don't need to be married or have children to know right from wrong. Single people are just as capable of discerning right and wrong, care and indifference, kindness and cold-heartedness. And even after Nancy got married and in 2018 updated her book, she was still cold-hearted toward anyone who wanted to divorce, without any exception for emotional abuse, serial infidelity, domestic violence, abandonment, child abuse, or even pedophilia. What's wrong with her?
@@gretchenbaskerville8067 She seems to have no empathy, a feeling of superiority, no remorse, a huge investment in being right, massive entitlement, can't let in any other point of view...does the word narcissist occur to anyone else or is it just me? Or maybe she's covering the low self esteem she feels because she had to give her book away for free knowing no one would want to buy it? Is it possible her misogynistic ideas and very late marriage meant she was trauma bonded to an authoritarian father whose ideas she couldn't ever challenge because like many women in authoritarian bondage if she declared her independence she would be financially cut off? Just asking for a friend...
53:30 This piqued my interest, so I looked into it.
Genesis 23:1-2 reads as follows: "Sarah lived to be a hundred and twenty-seven years old. She died at Kiriath Arba (that is, Hebron) in the land of Canaan, and Abraham went to mourn for Sarah and to weep over her _(NIV)._
This is curious, not only because Abraham had to go to her to mourn, but because in the previous chapter (verse 19), after Abraham was ordered to sacrifice Isaac, "Then Abraham returned to his servants, and they set off together for Beersheba. And Abraham stayed in Beersheba." Beersheba is over 20 miles away from Hebron. There are certainly other possible explanations for why Abraham and Sarah were so far apart, but separation over the near-sacrifice of Isaac is certainly a likely one.
God is our source (of love, identity, belonging, etc) but he's given people in our life as a REsource of those same blessings. Yes, we can't see people as our source but that's very different than saying we can't value them as a resource.
I was part of a Bible study that decided to use this book as one to study. I knew by then that Nancy DeMoss was a problematic author but I decided to keep my mouth shut and let people figure it out for themselves. About midway through the study, one of the members said that the more she read the book, the more impatient she got with the author . . . and then she said she’d figured out that Nancy wasn’t married (something I knew before we even started reading the book.)
And that’s when I said that, if you don’t know the culture that she comes from, you’re not going to understand what a lot of her stuff means.
When COVID hit, we stopped meeting for some time. For the last couple of semesters, we’ve had different members sign up to teach and they get to pick what they want to teach on. (I taught a class on Joanna, wife of Cuza.)
I’m listening to your discussion on birth control/childbirth at the moment. I had trouble getting pregnant after going off the Pill, and ended up taking Clomid. It only took one round for me to get pregnant. I was 35 when I had my son; then he was diagnosed with autism when he was three. I decided not to try and have another child because 1) I didn’t want to go through possibly having to take Clomid again, and 2) I didn’t think it was fair to have another child in a circumstance where one child would, by default, get more attention than others would. (That child is now 25. He’s come a long way. I’m very proud of him. The people at our church love him and he loves them back. On the flip side, yesterday I contacted a lawyer to draw up a will which includes provisions for our son’s future when we’re gone, which probably will be some sort of group home. There’s much he can do alone but he will always need some sort of supervision, and that is hard to deal with at times.)
No one should ever fault you for your wise and compassionate family planning to protect your son. Your investment in him and your success and his show you made the right choice knowing that the financial investment would go on even after you're gone. Nancy couldn't put herself in your shoes but that's her issue not yours. You did right by your family. Her judgment and condemnation are inappropriate and unChristian.
❤❤ excellent work ladies
Rather than study "women's books". .... maybe Study Greek and Hebrew so we can hear the true voice of God better
Yeah, wouldn’t that change women’s church circles?! Imagine studying Gods words instead of an authors opinions?!
Amen!! 😊
Do both actually. Point out false teachings with actual biblical teachings.
Unfortunately my church has this book. 😢
Borrow it and accidentally drop it in the toilet…😆
@lisajohnson4744 haha I thought about doing that lol. 😅
31:33
Just wanted to add a point of clarification here. Men do not love this. Any Christ loving man of God is absolutely sickened by abuses like this. I think what she meant to say is “abusers love this”.
Great podcast! Just thought I’d chime in here for clarification.
Thank you so much for making the distinction and standing up for the good men, yourself among them. As the mother of a son, I feel he is also a beloved child of God and as such he walks in the light. Abusers are not real men in my definition they only wear a mask designed by a violent, exploitive vision of manhood typified by those who view all men as people constantly ruled by lust, greed, hatred of women and despising of the tenderness and love between people. They have been bullied out of their inborn need to give and receive tenderness and respect. I pray for them but they are not real men in my eyes.
The authors views on women being isolated is similar to Debbi Pearls. Someone gave me Created to be his Help Meet when I was a lonely young mother. It was so disheartening to read that somehow I was guilty for being lonely on top of all the other things I was guilty of according to this and similar sources. No matter how much I tried to follow these types of teachings my husband treated our family terrible. Once I set some boundaries life was much better.
The critics whose ignorance is expressed below seems to have missed your citations to Scripture. I heard them. Why didn't they?
Has anyone done a review on this book?
Complement by Aaron and Jamie Ivey
Can u make a video about singleness? Or rather how to get out of it? I am a Christian guy stuck in singleness. I feel so sad and lonely 😢. I really like this channel and have benefited a lot from it even though I don't agree with every theological points.
Let me ask a question: what did Nancy write that was good?
ask a Trad wife 😂😂
also why are her opinions valid on marriage and parenting when she wrote them as a single, childless lady?? If I’ve never performed heart surgery, then I’m not qualified to advise anybody on their faulty surgical techniques 😳😳 - I mean, WHAT THE HECK??
@@Star-dj1kwA heart surgeon whose patients often don't survive or who is facing a malpractice suit probably should not be relied upon either.
"Experience" does not automatically make one the expert.
@@user-mg1no2ux5g No but lack of experience sometimes mitigates against advising other when you haven't walked in their shoes.
CHURCHES should teach the GRACE of GOD after a person except God as their Savior. I don't like churches that only teach the old testament laws.
Difference is Jesus can read mind, human can't. We can't expect Nancy to understand how abused women feel. Please don't get hurt by what Nancy wrote.
It’s quite unfortunate how Christian people can speak about another sister’s work in such arrogance, lack of humility, misrepresentation and misinterpretation of the book and in mockery. It’s ironic that I find this Chanel being exactly what Nancy tries to warn us of, lies! This is my second video watching this Chanel and as a Christian woman, this is very unkind, disturbing and abusive of the writers. Why should we believe what you ladies have to say ? You don’t even give scripture passages to back up your statements.
Did you listen to the whole podcast? They are not being abusive to the writer. They are disecting abusive teachings. It's ironic that people who accuse women of being angry, not having humility, mocking etc. are fine with men speaking and doing those very things. Why should we listen to someone who has no experience with what they are writing about? If you can, try to put your bias aside and listen. Listen to the women who have been harmed by these kinds of teachings. Sit with it without responding. Read their comments. Try to empathize. As someone who has been raised, heard, read and believed these things that Nancy and others like her have told us "this is the way" for over 50 years, it was hard at first. But once I did what I suggested to you, I found the love of God and the freedom to love, and serve Him and others. Life is so much better!
You are free to believe as you wish. You are free not to watch any of their critiques. I am believing a lot of what they say because it is backed up by research - both scientific and from listening to many many many women's experiences. I believe what they say because it reflects the heart and goodness of God - it makes logical sense and it bears good fruit in real people's lives. Also having listened to and read some others of their works and how they respond to criticism .... I see good fruit in their characters so far. Their message and critiques here don't contradict the gospel or message of Jesus in any obvious ways although I will keep thinking critically about that myself. (And were I to bring up a valid point of criticism, I think they would listent and consider it carefully.) And I think telling the truth, even a hard but ultimately life-giving truth to hear, is the kindest thing we can do for another.
I humbly disagree. I'm divorced, I've done Lies Women Believe, a couple of times. I did not, could not finish listening to your podcast. I was never physically abused by my husband, so I was not concerned for my safety. I never interpreted Nancy's study to say "don't get a divorce", only to look to God and His word in all circumstances. When you talk about women's rights, Nancy is talking about our rights as a people of God. We are to lay down our lives for the glory of God. Not worry about how someone treats us.
And not worry about how a message is delivered when it is a divinely inspired message intended only to save others from the harm we see all around us.
Ladies, my sisters, you have a lot of good points, yet your attitudes are unattractive; critical and smug. A bit more humility and gentleness would help your causes more than your snarkiness. For example, the comment about Sarah being separated from Abraham is poor exegesis; one of the same faults that you are accusing Nancy of. You have many valid points, but I can't recommend you to others because of the way your message is being delivered. Maybe it's just your personalities, I don't know. Maybe I am off base. I do appreciate your messages, but the tone, the attacking language is not motivating me to emulate you. Nonetheless, I do thank you for your work; I have listened to you all and have learned much. May Jesus give us all grace to follow Him as best we can.
Judge the book against scripture ladies not these women claims! Their attitude and way of criticizing other women whose belief they disagree is just not ok and not Christ like ! Think about it ! The laughters and mockeries even if they were right are not godly. Also ask yourself why you agree with it this so much ??? Is it about the truth of scripture or what you want to hear ? It’s very easy being right in our own eyes ! But that’s the deception that the book talks about ! Even nonbelievers are respectful and loving when giving negative reviews on books ! Quite sad to see how many who claim the name of Jesus lack his meekness and humility even to the watching world ! Quiet sad sisters !
Where is your humility in these sisters in Christ criticizing someone who has hurt so many trusting believing sisters? Is it their manners you are judging? You cannot look past your judgment of them to at least listen to what they are saying? They HAVE judged the book against Scripture and by it's fruits: unhappiness, pain and damage to children, women's spirits broken and destroyed--which is the greater harm?
It seems that Nancy's God is bigger, a lot more powerful and is more reliable than yours, ladies!
And your message is so aligned with the message of our era! It turns Christianity a lot more palatable. No suffering, no give the other cheek, no need to love and pray for your enemies, no need to walk by faith, no dependence on anyone, not even God. It gives no hope other than trust only on our own strength. So sad.
Your comment makes no sense 🤪🤪.
What Gretchen and
What Gretchen and Natalie propose by saying God made divorce as a safety escape for all types of abuse does not mean the abuse victim leans on her own strength. That is a ludicrous and hurtful statement. People who say abuse victims who divorce their abusers ‘take the EASY WAY out’ are not living in reality!! God is with those victims every painful and dangerous step of the way. There was a time when my children BEGGED me to divorce my emotionally and verbally abusive husband. At that time, I realized that they were TRAUMATIZED by witnessing him abuse me even though I tried to shield them but I knew he would go ballistic in a divorce and fight me; plus our finances were tenuous. I was damned if I stayed and scared to death to leave. It would have taken GREAT COURAGE and FAITH to leave but I had family members offering help if I left.
I was too scared. I stayed.
That suffering you like to glory- most of that hit my innocent kids.
That’s not God’s plan. You need to rethink your ideas on abuse.
Your comment is a straw man argument.
You are putting words in their mouth instead of truly interacting with what they are saying.
Everyone in this conversation sees God as big. No one is saying we shouldn’t love or pray for our enemies.
The question is are the “lies” in the book really “lies”. Is DeMoss reading the scripture in a hermeneutically correct way?
No. She is not. The burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.
@@camijames7024 it’s possible for someone to be a godly woman and be mistaken about some things. None of us has every thing perfect and we all need to be humbly open to learn.
Nancy taught many good things. But some of the things have truly been harmful.
Identity politics says if you disagree with someone you hate them.
That’s not how the Bible speaks.
The Bible says iron sharpens iron.
@r1172 I agree with you when you say about the mistakes of any godly person and the iron sharpens iron point. But that's not the point here. Even Nancy's wealthy heritage seems to be a problem. There is no grace extended to her.
I used to listen to Nancy’s podcast Revive Our Hearts for years… I love the Lord and I wanted to learn more about him and saturate myself in His word.
One day I just turned it off. Stopped listening.
And you know what I noticed… I stopped feeling bad about myself. The shame went away. The hyper-vigilant self-introspection of just waiting to catch myself in a sin stopped. I began to feel loved by God and I took joy in my life. It was not a coincidence.
Yes, the American Family Radio aired her. I used to listen to her and Focus on the Family in the 90s during my mid and late twenties. She didn’t get the best time slot though so I rarely caught her.