I'm not a gun guy, so I didn't understand about 95% of what these guys were talking about, but it's still fascinating to hear people with such a huge depth of knowledge talk about a subject.
@36:58 A 6.5 creedmoor barrel at 18" long has a volume of 0.9567 in^3. The bullet diameter is 0.2644 in and the lands are 0.2559 in for a roughly average diameter of 0.26015 inches. Volume of a cylinder = pi*r^2*H and you get 0.9567 in^3. If you include the volume of the brass it goes up to 1.164 in^3. Freebore varies from manufacturer to manufacturer and may add a slight amount. A .308 barrel at 16" has a volume of 1.161 in^3 (bullet is .308, lands are .300). If you add the brass to the .308 it goes up to 1.381 in^3. A tablespoon is about .902 in^3.
It was good to see Daniel Horner again and that he made a successful life from shooting! I met him a few times shooting at TSA (D.R. Middlebrooks place) back before he was old enough to join the ARMY. Note to Sig... Left handed guns!
You just opened my eyes to so much by sitting with this specific group of people. I’ve struggled understanding ballistics breakdown for a while. Understanding how calibers are developed and why. Barrel length, suppressor questions. Heat damage. Archery. Competition shooting. Damn you covered it all. That guys says mulies are 24” high. Mils and minutes. My best spent time on UA-cam is hangin out with you guys. Maybe I’ll swing over to bozo sometime this summer.
Quick rundown on mils: A MIL or MRAD is a milliradian, which is a thousandth of a radian. Picture a circle, a radian is an angle described by an arc whose length is equal to the radius of that circle. In the context of shooting, a radian would equate to a 1000m arc at 1000m, so a milliradian would be equal to 1m at 1000m. It would also be the same angle described by 1 inch at 1000 inches, or 1 foot at 1000 ft. The reason it works much better with metric is because metric is base 10. There's 1000m in a kilometer. There's 1000cm in 100m, etc.. Someone used to the imperial units will tend to prefer MOA, someone used to meters will tend to prefer MILs because they relate better to known units. The real differentiation is when you have to do math. Centimeters, meters and kilometers are easier to do math with because our math system is base 10. Inches, Feet, Yards and Miles don't have that kind of relationship.
If you are shooting a target far enough away that you calculate 200' of wind drift, and you hit the target! That was a lucky shot! The inconsistencies of wind speed at distances that call for 200' of wind drift are proof of that.
Gunner mils: 6400 mils in 360 degrees, mostly for land nav and artillery. Milradian: 6283 milrad in 360 degrees. 1 mrad= 10cm @100m. Less precise but easier math to do on the fly. Everything is done in 1/10th.
I love my Sig Cross in .308 with a Nomad Ti and. Credo 2.5-15 BUT i wish it shot better. Tried 6 different factory loads and many days of ladder tests with different weight and composition of projectiles and different powders but cant get it to shoot better than 1.5" in a 10 shot group. Looking to rebarrel it already after 500 rounds.
@@Michaeldpress14 by increasing the sample size you get a true zero and in turn much better hit rates. Hornady did a whole podcast on it search your groups are too small
@@Michaeldpress14 if you're not shooting at least 6 shot groups then you don't have all the data to say how well it shoots. 3 to 5 shot groups are not enough data and statistically chance, they don't have to be rapid fire though. If you said you had a 0.5" gun and only performed a 3 shot group then you would be lying as you don't have enough data to come to that conclusion.
Hendrix was left handed and he did play a right handed guitar but what a lot of folks don't know is that his right handed guitars were all set up as left handed guitars. It isn't as if he was playing an upside down guitar. It would be like buying a right handed shotgun but then have a gun smith flip the action and the safety so that it operated as if it were left handed.
Left handed conversation was interesting. I'm basically left handed. Eat, throw, write, wipe all left handed. But shoot, play golf, swing baseball bat all Right handed. I found that being left handed had its advantages in golf and baseball. My left arm and hand had more speed and swinging right handed with some coaching had me hitting long. 320 yards in golf was normal for me 15 years ago. Not so much now. Left hand wrist surgery next week...
Lefty here, played golf as a kid left handed. Realized as an adult Right Handed golfing and batting is way easier and natural for me. I can absolutely pipe it.
I’m a lefty do everything left handed except shoot! I’m right eye dominant so my dad just told me to shoot right handed! I’m 60 now, so that was 55 years ago!
People shoot bows all the time because 1. you can recover your arrow so you aren't spending $30-$50 bucks every range day like you do with a rifle 2. A lot of people have access to a local archery range (where I live in Boise I have access to an indoor range, an outdoor range, and a 3d course all within 25 minutes of my home) whereas the closest rifle range that I can shoot beyond 200 yards is 40 minutes away and I have to pay for it and 3. being a proficient archer 100% takes more practice than being a proficient rifleman.
Sig makes innovative gear and super cool ideas but they have a tendency to beta test unproven gear on the consumer. P320 wasn’t drop safe when it came out, P365 had striker issues and coating issues, and the Cross rifles seem to be super ammo picky.
TBF nothing in that timeframe was. They were all playing catch up with Glock at that time. I had 4 other mfg guns, all recalled. Springfield, Ruger, Beretta, and Colt.
I'm not disagreeing with you since I am aware of those issues. But name a single gun that has come out that someone didn't have an issue with? You can make that argument for every single brand of firearm ever made.
@@Jistarii To me, the difference is the safety aspect and cost aspect. The Ruger American never fired when it should not, the M&P 2.0 10mm doesn’t run heavy 10mm well but it’s drop safe. Also, for the cost of Sigs, their QC should be much higher since most Sigs demand a premium compared to other brands in the same competing category. A Cross is around $1500 last I checked. Tikka, Bergara, Ruger, etc, have not had issues like the Cross.
I’d guess they had other things to do/scheduled and had to stop. But I do agree, Corrine is a pretty big drag on any episode she’s on. Wish she would just give them a show-sheet with topics they could work with and then not be present.
What is with all the hate on bolt guns? My main rifle growing up on the farm in NH was an old school single shot 22. And I (regrettably as an adult) could easily take a shot at a very small bird miss eject reload correct at around 15 to 25 yards and get it generally around the neck or high chest. (I only did this a few times when I was a kid because I thought they were stealing from our chickens) 😅
I think Steven Rinella sold the rights to MeatEater or something when he got on tv. Now some nobody producer tells him how long his podcast can be when he is the only reason the show exists in the first place. People need to follow Joe Rogan's example and stop selling their brand.
@@Rob_W78 There is nothing going on that day that is more important than this podcast, particularly for a producer or whoever that isn't even an important part of the podcast. If she needed to leave, then she could have left and the podcast would not be any worse off.
I bought a P250c when they first came out and it was an unfunctioning piece of crap. The sig brand light I bought with it broke on the first shot. I will never, ever buy another American built sig product. Find a better company to work for, because sig likes to push out unproven platforms and doesn't mind screwing their customers when they fail.
@chrismeister2554 Agreed. I was only like 19 and didn't know any better and fell for the marketing. I have shot some p226's and p220's that operated fine, but I could never bring myself to give that company any more money. I have CZ's, FN's, and Beretta's now. Own a couple of Glocks too, but don't ever carry them. Also have a couple of Rugers that rarely get carried.
I bought the P250 because it was the first modular system, the precursor to the current Sig FCU. That makes it pretty cool, even if it is an awful shooting experience. For what it’s worth, my experience was MUCH better than the OP’s.
Same pistol and Sig light I purchased and it was junk. Same with my Scorpion 1911, junk. Exact same experience. On the other hand my P226's, P220, P239, and P938 pistols have been reliable and excellent. You need to be careful with Sig products as some are old and on point and others are just are junk and Sig doesn't support some older P series pistols anymore.
These younger successful folks still using the word “like” in every sentence spoken. Drives me nuts listening. C’mon folks- listen to yourself. Have a few Sig products that perform well in the field.
Meateater is nothing but a product pushing entity anymore. Anyway to push products and make money. Btw the Meateater vortex and weatherby no thanks way lackluster and just pushing the name. Gimmie Cal and Janis all day- you can keep Steve and the name
The WHOLE Meateater crew- Steve ,Yannis, Cal and Kimmy have MADE SO MANY BAD SHOTS during the last few years , they NEED some SERIOUS rifle training AND PRACTICE.
Cant believe there's a MeatEater Country Music podcast and not a MeatEater Gun Podcast. I could dork out on this stuff all day long.
Give it time.
Was enjoying their Gear Talk Podcast that yanis was spearpointing with jordan budd but that well went dry.
Janis is the only gun guy. The rest of these dudes dont know jack
That episode could have been a 3 hour episode and it still wouldn't be long enough! Love the content and keep kicking ass!
I'm not a gun guy, so I didn't understand about 95% of what these guys were talking about, but it's still fascinating to hear people with such a huge depth of knowledge talk about a subject.
@36:58 A 6.5 creedmoor barrel at 18" long has a volume of 0.9567 in^3. The bullet diameter is 0.2644 in and the lands are 0.2559 in for a roughly average diameter of 0.26015 inches. Volume of a cylinder = pi*r^2*H and you get 0.9567 in^3. If you include the volume of the brass it goes up to 1.164 in^3. Freebore varies from manufacturer to manufacturer and may add a slight amount. A .308 barrel at 16" has a volume of 1.161 in^3 (bullet is .308, lands are .300). If you add the brass to the .308 it goes up to 1.381 in^3. A tablespoon is about .902 in^3.
Watching in my turkey blind in Minnesota! Last day for spring turkeys.
Good luck
Thanks! I are owed one at 30 yards!
I grew up in Maine and it was always a 30-30 Lever action. Or some sort of Remington 742 woodsmaster in 308, 30-06. And then some .243 or 7rem mag.
It was good to see Daniel Horner again and that he made a successful life from shooting! I met him a few times shooting at TSA (D.R. Middlebrooks place) back before he was old enough to join the ARMY. Note to Sig... Left handed guns!
Left-eye dominant people also appreciate left-handed long guns and bows!!! "South-eye" shooter right here!!!!
I'm cross eye too. Took me a long time to learn how to shoot with my right eye.
WE WANT MORE!!!
You just opened my eyes to so much by sitting with this specific group of people. I’ve struggled understanding ballistics breakdown for a while. Understanding how calibers are developed and why. Barrel length, suppressor questions. Heat damage. Archery. Competition shooting. Damn you covered it all. That guys says mulies are 24” high.
Mils and minutes. My best spent time on UA-cam is hangin out with you guys. Maybe I’ll swing over to bozo sometime this summer.
When is Sig going to produce left handed Sig Cross?
Quick rundown on mils: A MIL or MRAD is a milliradian, which is a thousandth of a radian. Picture a circle, a radian is an angle described by an arc whose length is equal to the radius of that circle. In the context of shooting, a radian would equate to a 1000m arc at 1000m, so a milliradian would be equal to 1m at 1000m. It would also be the same angle described by 1 inch at 1000 inches, or 1 foot at 1000 ft. The reason it works much better with metric is because metric is base 10. There's 1000m in a kilometer. There's 1000cm in 100m, etc.. Someone used to the imperial units will tend to prefer MOA, someone used to meters will tend to prefer MILs because they relate better to known units. The real differentiation is when you have to do math. Centimeters, meters and kilometers are easier to do math with because our math system is base 10. Inches, Feet, Yards and Miles don't have that kind of relationship.
I liked this one
Great episode!
Worm rule: Target size(mm) divided by miled Target size = Range (meters). Example: 30cm (300mm) target divided by 2.0 mils in your scope= 150m.
If you are shooting a target far enough away that you calculate 200' of wind drift, and you hit the target! That was a lucky shot! The inconsistencies of wind speed at distances that call for 200' of wind drift are proof of that.
Gunner mils: 6400 mils in 360 degrees, mostly for land nav and artillery. Milradian: 6283 milrad in 360 degrees. 1 mrad= 10cm @100m. Less precise but easier math to do on the fly. Everything is done in 1/10th.
I love my Sig Cross in .308 with a Nomad Ti and. Credo 2.5-15 BUT i wish it shot better. Tried 6 different factory loads and many days of ladder tests with different weight and composition of projectiles and different powders but cant get it to shoot better than 1.5" in a 10 shot group. Looking to rebarrel it already after 500 rounds.
My Sig Cross in 308 loves 165gr SSTs and Varget. It is fairly finicky with bullets but when I found one it liked, it hammers.
1.5" 10 shot groups isn't that bad tbh but I can see if youre handholding how you'd wanna get more out of it
A 10 shot group for a hunting gun ?
@@Michaeldpress14 by increasing the sample size you get a true zero and in turn much better hit rates. Hornady did a whole podcast on it search your groups are too small
@@Michaeldpress14 if you're not shooting at least 6 shot groups then you don't have all the data to say how well it shoots. 3 to 5 shot groups are not enough data and statistically chance, they don't have to be rapid fire though. If you said you had a 0.5" gun and only performed a 3 shot group then you would be lying as you don't have enough data to come to that conclusion.
Skill saw got me.. I'm the same.
Hendrix was left handed and he did play a right handed guitar but what a lot of folks don't know is that his right handed guitars were all set up as left handed guitars. It isn't as if he was playing an upside down guitar. It would be like buying a right handed shotgun but then have a gun smith flip the action and the safety so that it operated as if it were left handed.
Left handed conversation was interesting.
I'm basically left handed.
Eat, throw, write, wipe all left handed.
But shoot, play golf, swing baseball bat all Right handed.
I found that being left handed had its advantages in golf and baseball.
My left arm and hand had more speed and swinging right handed with some coaching had me hitting long. 320 yards in golf was normal for me 15 years ago.
Not so much now. Left hand wrist surgery next week...
Lefty here, played golf as a kid left handed. Realized as an adult Right Handed golfing and batting is way easier and natural for me. I can absolutely pipe it.
MRAD is 100% an angular measurement just like MOA.
yeah it's a milliradian
I’m a lefty do everything left handed except shoot! I’m right eye dominant so my dad just told me to shoot right handed! I’m 60 now, so that was 55 years ago!
Lol..im from maine ..its a 30-30 or pump 308\3006 so its funny he 100% telking the thruth
Also from maine, I use a lever 45-70. Grew up using a lever 30-30. 😂
People shoot bows all the time because 1. you can recover your arrow so you aren't spending $30-$50 bucks every range day like you do with a rifle 2. A lot of people have access to a local archery range (where I live in Boise I have access to an indoor range, an outdoor range, and a 3d course all within 25 minutes of my home) whereas the closest rifle range that I can shoot beyond 200 yards is 40 minutes away and I have to pay for it and 3. being a proficient archer 100% takes more practice than being a proficient rifleman.
(Judges 20:16) 29:30
A good podcast should not run out of time you should know that from Joe.
Sig was the highest bidder for optics. Thats why they're on her
Sig makes innovative gear and super cool ideas but they have a tendency to beta test unproven gear on the consumer. P320 wasn’t drop safe when it came out, P365 had striker issues and coating issues, and the Cross rifles seem to be super ammo picky.
TBF nothing in that timeframe was. They were all playing catch up with Glock at that time. I had 4 other mfg guns, all recalled. Springfield, Ruger, Beretta, and Colt.
The cross also likes to shoot at random times 😂
@@Michaeldpress14 Sounds like a P320 😂
I'm not disagreeing with you since I am aware of those issues. But name a single gun that has come out that someone didn't have an issue with? You can make that argument for every single brand of firearm ever made.
@@Jistarii To me, the difference is the safety aspect and cost aspect. The Ruger American never fired when it should not, the M&P 2.0 10mm doesn’t run heavy 10mm well but it’s drop safe. Also, for the cost of Sigs, their QC should be much higher since most Sigs demand a premium compared to other brands in the same competing category. A Cross is around $1500 last I checked. Tikka, Bergara, Ruger, etc, have not had issues like the Cross.
The podcast should be called MeatBeater !
Can someone please explain why they put such a tight time limit on these? The episode was just getting really good and then Corinne cut them off!
I’d guess they had other things to do/scheduled and had to stop. But I do agree, Corrine is a pretty big drag on any episode she’s on. Wish she would just give them a show-sheet with topics they could work with and then not be present.
I don't understand the reason phil and corinne were saying they had to stop when Steve and the Guests wanted to continue.
Steve you need to go visit Mike in Florida try you hand at hunting some pythons and iguana!
What is with all the hate on bolt guns? My main rifle growing up on the farm in NH was an old school single shot 22. And I (regrettably as an adult) could easily take a shot at a very small bird miss eject reload correct at around 15 to 25 yards and get it generally around the neck or high chest. (I only did this a few times when I was a kid because I thought they were stealing from our chickens) 😅
Poor vortex, kicked to the curb
6400 mils, artillery
I wonder how Weatherby feels about this.
Not really competition as they focus on different areas of the industry
6.5 Needmoore
better joke...(Janis) ".. the monkey or the uncle?"
7mm-08?????????????
The robber may have asked for money but he was there for drugs
Waiting for the RFK podcast
Hahaha says who the British ...im crying
Where’s the RFK jr podcast
Have they agreed to have him on? Sooner rather than later before the worms get the rest of his brain 🧠 🐛 🪱
Take the word "like" out of Patrick's speaking and the video would have only been half as long! Very annoying!!
And the pauses when they're thinking about like what to, ya know say.
ayyyyyy
I think Steven Rinella sold the rights to MeatEater or something when he got on tv. Now some nobody producer tells him how long his podcast can be when he is the only reason the show exists in the first place. People need to follow Joe Rogan's example and stop selling their brand.
Like my dad would always say, “that’s what you get for thinking”.
Some people have schedules for the day especially when you own a business. It’s not that deep 😂
@@Rob_W78 There is nothing going on that day that is more important than this podcast, particularly for a producer or whoever that isn't even an important part of the podcast. If she needed to leave, then she could have left and the podcast would not be any worse off.
@@Delmiester Thinking is incredibly important, your dad should have said something else.
@@TacticalCanner that’s the most entitled thing I’ve ever read 😂 YOURE not that important
The cross is just a knockoff Q fix with an unsafe trigger
I bought a P250c when they first came out and it was an unfunctioning piece of crap. The sig brand light I bought with it broke on the first shot. I will never, ever buy another American built sig product. Find a better company to work for, because sig likes to push out unproven platforms and doesn't mind screwing their customers when they fail.
When was this?
@@PD-we8vf Years ago, when it first came out.
@chrismeister2554 Agreed. I was only like 19 and didn't know any better and fell for the marketing. I have shot some p226's and p220's that operated fine, but I could never bring myself to give that company any more money. I have CZ's, FN's, and Beretta's now. Own a couple of Glocks too, but don't ever carry them. Also have a couple of Rugers that rarely get carried.
I bought the P250 because it was the first modular system, the precursor to the current Sig FCU. That makes it pretty cool, even if it is an awful shooting experience.
For what it’s worth, my experience was MUCH better than the OP’s.
Same pistol and Sig light I purchased and it was junk. Same with my Scorpion 1911, junk. Exact same experience. On the other hand my P226's, P220, P239, and P938 pistols have been reliable and excellent. You need to be careful with Sig products as some are old and on point and others are just are junk and Sig doesn't support some older P series pistols anymore.
Glizzy Glock gang
These younger successful folks still using the word “like” in every sentence spoken. Drives me nuts listening. C’mon folks- listen to yourself.
Have a few Sig products that perform well in the field.
Meateater is nothing but a product pushing entity anymore. Anyway to push products and make money. Btw the Meateater vortex and weatherby no thanks way lackluster and just pushing the name. Gimmie Cal and Janis all day- you can keep Steve and the name
This is some of the worst radio I’ve tried to listen
The WHOLE Meateater crew- Steve ,Yannis, Cal and Kimmy have MADE SO MANY BAD SHOTS during the last few years , they NEED some SERIOUS rifle training AND PRACTICE.
Says who…you lol lots of keyboard cowboys out there. If you’re gonna talk smack, at least know how to spell Janis’ name.