Eps. 354: Bear Advice With A Master Alaskan Guide
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- Опубліковано 15 кві 2024
- Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! I sit down with Phil Shoemaker and discuss bears and bear protection.
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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That man has great, intense eyes.The right disposition for a bear guide. More danger in surviving 45 years of flying in Alaska, than in dealing with bears.
Yep. We have a saying up here. " Theres Bold pilots & theres Old pilots but theres never been any Old Bold pilots. " You really gotta know your stuff to become an Old pilot. W Alaskas intense weather & changing conditions that come out of nowhere " luck" just dosent last very long.
In this case they go together... It is as they say about flying: "The drive to the airport is more dangerous than the flight..." Great, now I feel better.
@@tacticalskiffs8134 , Maybe in the citys but not out here. We get a LOT of super cell weather & lil bush planes getting knocked out of the air is not uncommon. Damn storms come out of nowhere & disappear just as quickly w no warning. Its so common its illegal to lock your cabins doors w anything other than a bear bolt with an inside/ outside rope pully to lift the inside cross beam door lock. Rope hangs outside for easy access to any downed pilot. If a pilots found dead on your porch you go to prison for " criminal indifference." Froze hands cant operate latches & doorknobs & its customary to leave your cabin with the woodstove loaded & ready to light off easy w 1 wooden match. Life/death stuff when ones fingers arent working. Leaving quick, easy to prepare food also customary for lost or downed pilots. No 911 or cell towers out here. EVERY CABIN is considered a survival shelter for anyone that needs it @ anytime. Leaving a cabin well stocked with basic survival stuff is S.O.P.
How is the genetic health of the Brown bears there ,where you at ..
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@@pietskiet42-_, Wouldnt know. Been out of the F&G research loop awhile. Havent seen near as many lately either but my area is getting more people into it & many bears are getting killed or moving to other areas..AM seeing tracks but theyre getting smarter about hiding. Had 2 grown cubs still running together in our yard chasing our dogs couple years back but a pack of firecrackers thrown in their faces scared them off & theyve never returned that i know of. The tracks im finding are of unknown bears i havent seen yet. Mostly just passing through from winter dens to their fishing grounds. Since the area grew i cant run a bait station anymore & the multi generations of grizzlies that showed up every year have dispersed. The good ol days are gone when we were the ONLY people out here & the entire forest was just ours. California developers destroyed all that. Raped the land, made their $ & moved on. Left their stupid behind.
you should have Phill on again love his stories!!!
I second that. 👍
Do you mean a fairy tale? Bear, who can smell scents from far away, stands on a person, who he was targeting by the way, could not find them? Lol
Phil is definitely the real deal. Thank you Ron!
Yep. He Philled that bear full of lead!!!
Ron this was great interview thanks Phil is the real deal
@@kirkalley3469
That's the question I posed here earlier, will it break thru the skull plate & @what angle merely ricochet off- or not...!
Yep, since he knew he was undergunned, he was smart to use his clients as bait and keep them between the bear and himself.
You should always have at least a 7 1/2 inch barrel on your magnum pistol because... a friend of mine who lives in the mountains always kept a S&W revolver by the door since bears were often around the house getting into the garbage. Well, his wife saw a bear wrecking their garbage can, so she grabbed the hand cannon and went outside and chased the bear away by shouting at it. When her husband came home from work and heard the story, he advised her that he had the child proof lock engaged and so it would not fire, lol. But with a 7 1/2" barrel, at least it would be a good club also it prolly would be a Ruger since 7 1/2" barrels are a Ruger thing. @mtman2
I just love Ron's face when listening to the story - like a little boy listening to his grandpa or uncle. Which tells me that no matter how experienced one gets, it never gets old or boring.
I don’t know if I’d trust 9mm, but 10mm penetrators have proven themselves against bears. The higher capacity of a semi auto also gives you more opportunities to connect shots under the stress of a bear charging
@@604cpr I think with some modern autoloaders there's almost no sacrifice of portability or capacity with 10mm vs. 9mm, especially the particular 9mm used by the guide in this interview.
Phil is a Vietnam Veteran...thank you ! I love his articles and his great advice!
I caught that when he mentioned that it’s all about shot placement. Something war teaches people.
Some jackhole on another guideline promotes no backup weapon and cussed at me for calling him a fool..
Nice to hear from a guide that knows the deal😅
Shoot Bear, change underwear.
Say a prayer
Live another dayer...😊
Shot placement is EVERYTHING! If you actually listen to what he says, and most people with the experience and knowledge will say the same thing
"It's easier to feel brave when you've got a gun". Truer worlds were seldom spoken.
It can increase your nut mass by up to 100%
I didn't feel brave as a 22-year old with my 30-30 and an Alaska brown mother standing up a hundred yards away.
@@user-sk7zc1fc5u I read a story years ago about a hunter who had just acquired a powerful new rifle and used it to kill a massive Grizzly. The rifle turned out to be a Winchester 30-30 and the time period was the late 1890s. In those days most folks were still using black powder loads, so the smokeless "high velocity" 30-30 was considered big medicine.
@@Paladin1873 I've read about natives killing a bear with a .22LR and a 9mm, but I'm just reading about those. I can still see in my mind after almost 60 years that brown bear, and I can remember how scared I was, and I had already experienced some real fear having been working as part of a 5-man crew on a 44-foot wooden commercial fishing boat. The day before I encountered the bear, our boat was 50 miles off shore in the Gulf of Alaska in a 70 knot gale wind where waves went clear over the boat, so it wasn't like I had some fear for the first time. You would have had to have been there to know what it felt like, and I was several hundred yards from my skiff and knew I couldn't outrun the bear.
@@user-sk7zc1fc5u The only ones I've encountered have not been aggressive, but within 50 miles of me we've had several people attacked and a couple more killed by Grizzlies in the last ten years.
Nothing beats first hand experience. Books and videos have their place for learning, but I'd take a lifetime of experience over that any day.
The shame is guys like him, with a lifetime of experience, aren't around forever.
I share your sentiment. It's a good thing his progeny seem more than capable of carrying on the tradition. Besides, Phil's not going anywhere soon. He's in fine shape!
I’ve fished with Phil stayed with Phil and Rocky and had them over my house in Michigan they are wonderful people excellent hosts the best people they are dear friends
You are blessed!
I used to interact with Phil on one of the online outdoor forums. Great guy. Extremely knowledgeable. No tolerance for nonsense. Openly stated what works, and therefore what he recommends. I always appreciated his philosophy that way.
Outstanding! Hunted with Phil 35 years ago. Glad to see he’s still at it and really looking about the same.
Its refreshing to hear someone talk about the "old calibers" Makes me laugh when Elk guys say a .270 isnt a great elk cartridge and here his clients have killed brown bears with them.
This guy is the real deal and has the proof to back it up.
He killed a boar grizzly with a 9mm!!! He was using buffalo bore ammo.
@@Wildwestwrangler Yes
@@Wildwestwrangler the bear would not have known the difference if it was plain old 147 grain FMJ.
@@PassivePortfolios well it definitely would have taken longer to die. Plain 147 fmj is quite a bit slower, and the round nose of plain fmj would have done much less damage. Penetration would have been sporadic as well, especially since the flat nose and sharp shoulder from the meplat to the ogive give better damage and cutting characteristics. The outcome for the bear would have been the same, but might not have been for the people.
@@Wildwestwrangler FMJ round nose would have better penetration than flat nose which has more resistance and deformation. The BB is a +P load so it has a bit more velocity but an extra 100 fps is not a big deal. Bullet placement and penetration saved the day. He was able to get multiple shots on target because he was familiar with the gun and shot it accurately, which was a big deal.
It’s really good to hear common sense about cartridges that make sense….30.06 is still KING…no super magnum needed. Great interview
Good enough ONLY IF YOUR SKILLS ARE GOOD ENOUGH.
People these days terribly underestimate what the 30-06 is capable of.
Choice of bullet is key also,like using a Nosler partition 180-200 grain.
@@user-rn6cy7ez2g yes, absolutely. That’s more important than what cartridge.
Alaskan Game and Fish approves the 30-06 for bear hunting, it is on their website
I was reluctant to share but thought others might be interested. We see the lesser and greater bears occasionally along with big cats and dogs. My wife and I run around our remote NW Montana yard with our 9's and Rimrock 147 gr hardcast handloads. When we venture into unfamiliar territory around here we carry heavy 357 magnum loads with Montana Bullet Works 180 grain NOE hanloads. Our selections are based on Phil's advice from old Handloader magazine articles I read. We shoot more often staying with these cartridges. Great interview. It doesn't get any better than this Wow, thank you!
Reo, Ive been to Montanas wilds many times. Your grizzlies are smaller but MEANER. Lots more aggressive than Alaskas are. Studied the Lewis & Clark expedition papers & THEY were surprised at the aggression levels of your grizzlies. Had our own run ins w them. Love Montana! May leave Alaska & move there instead. Are Obamas damned gates still up blocking off all the federal lands??
And his daughter totes a 416 bolt action. Like her style!
If you can't shoot it it won't protect you. So refreshing to listen to his logic. He knows his shit.
Love this conversation. I have Black Bear hunted never Grizzly. Have had a couple of encounters them but not hunted. BC Government has banned the hunt. Stupid decision. Problems for humans coming down the pipe from this decision. At my age 71 , after 52 years of hunting it’s just a dream. Videos like this just make me smile and dream. Thanks for the video. 👍🏼👍🏼
50min and 34secs of outstanding conversation and the only thing my wife heard was "if you need an excuse for the wife to get a big gun......" but you dont need it. Thanks lads! 🍻
😂😂😂😂. I couldn’t agree more!😊
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Your statement says a lot more about you than it does about your wife. 😆😆😆
@@sheilam4964 thrown myself under the bus again! 🤣
45+ years in the bush ,and never worked no more ,l envy this guy !!
This guy’s a legend, I wouldn’t go into Bear country with a 9 mm no matter how good the ammo was…
Guided moose hunts in Maine for years. Always loved the 30-06. Seen many moose die quick. Totally agree about being comfortable makes the difference
I sold a 45-70 Marlin to a guy from Alaska. He worked for an oil company but his brother was a hunting guide. He said his brother used a 30-06 for everything and it worked fine. For guided bear hunts he used his 30-06 with the 220 grain bullets.
Phil Shoemaker is an amazing man in all aspects!
As a now old U.S. Recon Marine who has been in a couple close quarter gun fights, I completely concur with Phil...when the adrenaline is up and you are fighting for your life it is best to have a sidearm that you are super comfortable with. For me, going back to the early 70's it has been the Colt .45 ACP Model 1911. It fits my hand and though I don't know what kind of brown bear gun it would be I know if you hit a bad guy who is planning to due you harm, center mass they drop where they stand.
Amen 45 acp in the Thomson was a lifesaver in our cats ( Rome Plows ) Vietnam 67/69 wia retired from army
A .45 ACP on target is a lot more effective than a SW.500 miss!
I was just thinking the other day as a not-so-old Marine infantryman, my next gun will be a Colt M4 with the Trijicon RCO. It may not have all the bells and whistles, but nothing can replace practice and I've had more rounds through one of those than I could count (not that Marines are renowned for their counting skills lol).
Thank you for helping build the Marine Corps reputation I benefit from every day - Semper Fi!
I was thinking the same thing with my Ruger 1911 .45 since Buffalo Bore is also making rounds for them as well. I think it would be even better than a 9mm...
I think it would be as good as any other handgun as long as you are using the right ammo. Hard cast penetration rounds.
Wow.. great story! So cool hearing from a guy who lives around bears every day. I could listen to him for hours :)
Phil Shoemaker is THE man! Great guest Ron, awesome interview!
Phil gave years of advice on brown bear hunting. Very informative interview. This is the man you can learn from.
Double P, Penetration and Placement, that's the good thing about the seasoned veteran, they have no need for the bluff, bravado and bullshit, it's business and get'er done. Great Subject and Legendary Outfitter, the pleasure was ours.
A great guide with a modest demeanor and good story . We moved to Alaska in the early 70s from our farm in MI . We lived between two glaciers in the Chugach range We had a lot of experience with moose/bear through the years. We always carried 18" 12 ga shotguns, a good sling, with slugs and then hardened slugs when they came out. i was with the Troopers and had to put many animals down- always using the 12 ga and .357 mag pistols we carried for smaller moose, wolves, etc. My brother still lives there. We always recommended a good rifle or shotgun you can put on a moving target better. Something you would trust your life on..
I meet a guide at a trappers convention who swore by the 12ga
The article with pictures of Phil's bear are on Buffalo Bore's website under 9mm +p Outdoorsman ammo.
Phil seems like a cool dude.
Ron, what an absolutely spectacular show tonight. I'm literally sitting on the edge of my seat. Phil, as you know, is a legend in Alaska. Even though I haven't hunted with him, yet, I have had the pleasure of meeting him and his family a few times. Phil and I had a mutual friend that we both hunted Zimbabwe with. He introduced us. You how sometimes you just get a good feeling about someone? Well that is Phil and his family. Now I must say, your show must be important, because Phil has trimmed his beard since I saw him last. Thanks for a great show.
Cheers, Jeff
P.S. Ron, you could pay for that bear hunt if you quit sending those emails giving away all those guns. That's got to get expensive. 😂
My Papa always said that.3006 with a 220gr bullet will take down just about everything
Yup, I think so, too
Ok, Forrest Gump. 🫡
He wasn't wrong
@@kirkalley3469 I've got a 24" barreled Mark X, a Serb Mauser imported by Interarms maybe 35 years ago. Had it's receiver tested for hardness and it's good to go. I'm thinking of having it's barrel shortened to 20" and loading 300 gr solids for bear. It's a bigger gun to pack around but I love the cartridge. What's your favorite propellant for that load? Thanks.
H4350 and plenty of it for the H&H. 😅 The nice thing about using partition boolits is that it penetrates fine, won't splatter past the bullet nose at close range and is expanding, which is required for elk or moose. The 375 H&H will definitely let the air out of moose. I found that i needed a very long eye relief scope or open sights to prevent those cuts above the eyebrow. Keep the scope mounting forward but still get a full view when squared up to center the crosshair in the field to reduce parallax issues and keep the butt of the rifle just inside the shoulder on your peck muscle so your whole upper body moves back and not just your shoulder. If just your shoulder moves back you may get "scope eye" cuts and it slows follow up shots when your head gets jared. A quality 4x power scope with large objective lens worked best for me and my "man's gun" big boomers. Variable scopes can fail more often.@applesbighatranch6906 p.s. did you buy that rifle in Montana? It sounds like one I sold when I left that state? If so I wouldn't mess with the barrel because it was a tack driver at 300 yds.
Glad you are here online, Ron, and interviewing a legend like Phil. The print magazines used to be full of this kind of discussion, but the proliferation of "black rifles" seemed to have killed them off. Wonderful interview!
Even guys who are good outdoorsmen in the lower 48 are, to a degree, "babes in the woods" in Alaska. You can tell that even Ron, a supurb outdoorsman, is a little "star struck" by Phil.
Experience is ALWAYS the best teacher!
Alaska isnt just another state. Its another world & it shows NO mercy for the stupid or careless. Ive traveled the world. Been in lots of various wilderness areas. Non were like here. Except maybe the Superstition Mountains outside Phoenix which are also lethal. Totally opposite but just as dangerous for the stupid or unprepared.
True!
So nice to watch that interview with Phil. You just cant ever get enough of the stories that a man like Phil can tell you, and so so much better than reading it from a book. I had a friend that was a real outdoors man and I just liked being around him , hoping that some of his smarts would rub off on me. If you need someone to go with you Ron to Phil's bear camp I would sure like to go too. I was all ears listening to the story about killing the bear with the 9mm. The story's Phil could tell with 45 years under his belt would be worth the trip aloan.
Man I could listen to Phil all day!
I have been to Alaska, seen the bears and the remarkable wilderness but this conversation is nothing short of facinating - thanks to you both💯
This might be your best interview Ron. You asked all the right questions and succeeded in bringing out Phil's true character. As far as i'm concerned, Phil is probably the most experienced bear guide and bear behavior expert to ever live. When hunting season is over, he is guiding fishing expeditions in bear country (which can be more dangerous) or working around his homestead (which is also loaded with bears). From now on, when I recieve those "grizzly bear questions", i'm referring my viewers to this video. I've quoted Phil for many years, but to hear those things from his own mouth is a treasured resource for all hunters and anglers.
Cool, you had Phil Shoemaker on your show. I had to watch this one. Mr. Shoemaker is a legend!!!! Thanks for the video Ron.
Awesome interview! No situation is EVER the same! The psychology of the bear OR it's prey
Thanks Ron and Phil for the great hunting stories. Reminded me of deer camp listening to old hunting stories of my Dad and Uncles.
Great show Ron. Keep this kind of content coming.
Great video, I had a smile on my face the whole time!
Phil is so full of knowledge and experience, and he’s easy to listen to. Great podcast.
This has been one of the best interviews. I have seen in a very, very long time. Thank you, Ron!
Truly enjoyable, thanks for sharing.
Great content as usual. Thank You!
He nailed it….shot placement and penetration are everything !! Glad he mentioned the fine motor skills going out the window…very true. Thanks brother, great vid !!
What an amazing and great guest to have on your program!!! So much great information!! Thanks so much for having Mr. Shoemaker on your program! Love your programs Ron!!
Great vid Ron, thank y'all for sharing your knowledge.
Thanks for such an awesome video and interview.👍 I have been an advocate of shot placement over caliber since I started hunting and shooting.
🙌👏👊
What a great interview. I've been reading both your written articles for 30+ years, great stuff and real world experience
This was one of the best videos on hunting I’ve ever seen
Thank you guys.
That was worth every minute!
Amazing! I read about this guy years ago, so it’s cool to see his interview on video. Thanks for bringing us this interview Ron!
This is THE best interview you have ever done! Great info from a great outfitter and guide, with years of wisdom and experience behind him. Great stuff!
I moved to Alaska one year before Phil, 1979. Sure did love it there. All i have now is memories.
Incredible insight, knowledge and experience portrayed by Phil. Won’t be many like him I imagine. A most riveting podcast, one of Ron Spomer’s best.
Jeez, Ron, just this story got my heart rate up! This guy has colossal brass ones.
A lot of plain facts and wisdom, great video.
Thanks for sharing! I have read Phil’s articles for years, neat to hear the voice that goes along with the words. Love the picture of Phil with a sheep in the Sierra reloading manual. Thanks for your service to our country as well.
What a show. So much great information here from such an experienced guide. Thanks to Phil and Ron for putting this show together#
Wow! That was an awesome interview! Totally enjoyed every minute of it.
Best guest ever!
Awesome! Phil is a legend to us as old guys who have known of his reputation for decades. Solid gold guide, I’d love to hunt with him His stories are just amazing. Bravo Ron!
I very much enjoy watching folks with a lot of experience great conversation.
I truly enjoyed watching this, thank you Ron for doing this video.
I could listen to them all day. Love hearing that shot placement and the type of bullet is more important then the caliber.
What a guest ron! Outstanding!!!
thanks for this treat. like traveling to a different era.
Best interview I have heard
Dear Sir, I have been watching your presentations for sometime. I appreciate your teaching abilities and candor in any subject relating to firearms and hunting. You are truly knowledgeable and practices of courtesy and humility are evident. Thank You Sir.
Been around hunting reloading and rifle collecting and anybody who dies much hunting out of state has heard of Phil🙌 he is the man when it comes to hunting Alaska👏👊
Great guest and interview. Great and valuable information. Thanks for this video.
One of THE best interviews ive seen on this subject and ive seen a lot of them.
Another great show. Really enjoyed this interview with a seasoned pro.
Hunting or fishing with Phil would be the best time.
That was an amazing account from a very Qualified Man. Phil knows those animals. They scare me and like he said no gun will seem big enough when it is happening. Great Interview Ron
Excellent interview. Thank you for sharing the amazing knowledge of Phil, especially for those of us sharing the wilds with bears.
This is the guy i wanna learn from. Appreciate it. A lot!🙏
Phil is Awesome
9 mil. Phil.
Wonderful interview thank you from palmer Alaska 😊
The legendary Phil!!!
I don't hunt. However my parents and grandparents and great grands did for food or supplement. In my 72 year I have great admiration for those who had the privilege, I really enjoyed his story. Thank you!
Thank you for this fascinating interview.
Super duper! Lovely conversation with SO MUCH information for us lesser mortals to consider. Much respect!!!! 😎
One of the best videos on this subject I have ever seen...Counter to what many "think they know" this video reflects the reality of real world application...Well done...!!!
That was a very informative but most importantly, a VERY fun interview!
My only critique is that it wasn't long enough!!!
I just loved it!
A special thanks to both of you! ALS
Great interview. That man has a ton of experience. I could talk to him for hours. Thanks for sharing this
Beautiful talk. Thanks for taking the time to film it.
Ron GREAT informative interview. Really enjoyed and learned a lot. This gentleman knows from actual experience not hearsay. He shot down some myths. Thank you very much!!
Yeah, aside from quick follow up shots, try carrying a 454 Casull around all day, and get lots of practice with it.
I live in a place where seeing a grizzly is pretty rare. Idaho. I have only seen one grizzly in my life of 79 years and that was in Lituya Bay, Alaska. At the time, I took the small skiff from our troller, went ashore, with a small dog, walked a quarter mile and began panning for gold. I had been reloading my toy gun or so it seemed--a Winchester '94 with 150 grain bullet and I was a good shot, but when the little dog went into the woods and I looked up to see a mother brown bear standing up sniffing the air, my gun looked mighty small. The bear was probably less than a hundred yards away, but luckily for me the wind was blowing from the bear to me. I didn't care about the dog at that point. After what seemed like a long time but probably wasn't, the bear sauntered back into the brush and I quickly walked back to my skiff. The dog followed me. From then on working an a troller and then a seiner for several seasons, I never went alone on the beach with a toy gun. When I camp in the Idaho mountains, I just take a handgun--a Ruger Blackhawk .41 magnum and I don't take long walks in the brush.
Nice choice!!!
I live in the North Idaho panhandle, and I saw a grizzly cross the road in front of me that was bigger than my fuckin rig lol.
Next week I Bought a Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 Magnum that I still own to this day lol
I carry a 10mm now tho. But we have em here in Idaho, my buddy had a monster in a trail cam pic from a bear bait as well a couple years ago
@@mrdark9916 I'm glad they are in your area. Fish and Game found some sign a couple years ago in the 7 Devils area and I think the high Bitterroots might have some but you have most of them. I might do some vehicle backroads camping in the Panhandle this summer but even around camp I'll pack my Blackhawk .41 mag. Shot it a bit yesterday. The .357 feels like a .22 mag compared to what Elmer Kieth said is the gentleman's 44 mag. 210 grain bullet at mv of 1600.
Absolutely awesome interview!!! No brag, just fact!!! Very informative AND entertaining.
THANK YOU, Ron and Phil.
Excellent interview. I enjoy his commentary on the 24hr Campfire as well.
sharp as a tack this bloke
Ron you should go on a bear hunt with Phil, film it and put it on your channel. That would be a cool hunt to see.
Murderer
Exactly the podcast I was looking for ...excellent guys ...thank you!😊
Thanks for the great story, glad everyone was fine.
Great show!!!
One of the best bear stories.