This is a tough one! I love the timelessness of the Golf and the fact that it is AWD. On the other hand, the Type R is definitely the more thoroughbred vehicle and would probably be more fun to drive. I think I'd have to go with the Type R. If I'm paying this much for a hatchback I want it to be mental to drive.
Funny thing is, toyota made much more of a thoroughbred when they made the GR Corolla, but it’s $7,000 cheaper. I’m not trying to troll or gate-keep. It’s just something interesting I noticed
@@ghost21501 the GR Corolla is basically the GR Yaris, but if it was a 4 door hatchback. I agree with u in that I wish the GR Yaris would come stateside, but the GR Corolla is one hell of a next best thing, and it looks much crazier than both the CTR and the Golf R (GR Corolla, not standard Corolla Hatch)
@@ghost21501 same. Corolla is not like the type R. The Type R is a legendary jdm car. Unlike the corolla they just made it to have a line up on hot hatch 😅
I love both cars, I would go with the Civic Type R because out of the two, I like that design more. I completely agree about the taillights on the Civic, I also feel that there should have been a full lightbar connecting. The odd way they just cut off in the middle doesn’t look right (to me). But overall, this Civic looks way better than the last body style. As far as the Golf goes, I actually like the previous version better. Not a fan of the updated headlights and taillights. Had a cleaner look before.
No one is going to track the Type R. It will be a highway roller because everyone wants to take a wonderfully built machine to do 2nd and 3rd gear pulls.
Asterisk! Golf R sends 50% power to rear wheels making it 50/50 BUT it can send all of that 50% to either wheels creating that rotation. Such a great improvement over the previous gen
Nice video! I would choose Type R over the Golf R because comparing 0-60 time on last year it is big improvement from Honda they can do in less than 5 seconds. Civic feels more sporty and when you change to Type R mode the meter absolutely change to gorgeous meter, meanwhile the golf looks normal..
I'm actually very impressed by his sketch drawings, it's not easy getting the proportions right, especially the first take. Keep that section in for future videos, that was great
I feel like the type r has that “special” factor over the golf r, but the golf r has the “premium” factor. The type r is going to turn more heads but the golf r is going be the one the family wants to be in
Other reviews said the Golf R climate control is all touch screen and capacitive buttons on the steering wheel, apparently it is clumsy to use. I think Civic interior is better ergonomically.
Golf can’t send 100% of power to rear wheels. It can send max 50% of power to rear wheels. But It can send that 50% of power to one of the rear wheel which makes easy to drift.
Coming from a diehard VW fanboy I hate to admit it, but the Type R exterior design looks better than the Golf. It’s more than likely a track day monster, Lotsa fun! I’m currently in a Mk7 GLI, my second after a 17’ Gen 6. I LOVE my little tuned rocket but I could be persuaded to let go of it for a Type R. Hell must’ve frozen over cause I can’t believe I just said that? 😂
This is an easy choice for me. FL5 Civic Type R over the MK8 Golf R. I don't care about AWD because where I live, AWD is not needed nor is it necessary. The Civic Type R is more spacious now than its predecessor sibling and the MK8 the Golf R. The cargo capacity is far more usable than the MK8 Golf R. The customization of the digital gauge cluster of changing the style of the tachometer/speedometer into the AP1 and AP2 gen S2000 style gauge cluster in a full digital format is surreal and will make you feel like you're in an S2000 with those vibes and infotainment system customization too. Regardless of the .2 tenth of a second difference, the new Type R is lighter than the new MK8 Golf R. The new Type R looks cooler (just like the 11th gen Civic Si) than the MK8 Golf R. However, the MK8 Golf R (and the MK8 Golf GTI) will age very well in its own right. The new Type R is my pick and wins it for me.
If i had the money, I'd definitely go with the Golf R. I'm not skilled enough to reap the benefits of the more track capable Type R, i like how the Golf R has ventilated seats, rear vents, AWD so I don't have to worry about the snow with the right tires, and even though it has less leg room in the rear, it makes up for it in headroom because it doesn't have that sloping roof design.
Great video and fantastic comparison. Though i'd go with the Type-R and I believe that the tail lights being as they are will make the '23 Type-R remain distinct in this decade of lightbars (especially at night when you see it on the road).
@@cielo20 I remember in a video from The Straight Pipes they mentioned that as a possibility but after seeing enough 11th gen hatches on the road (which have the same tail lights as the Type R) at this point, trust me, you can tell the difference.
@@Adam-cn7it you yes and someone into cars ,but the normal person will not , where i live its the case with bmw the all look thesame that you have to be not just any car enthusiast but a bmw enthusiast to tell apart the cars between m5 , 535-530-525
@@cielo20 interesting point. Part of me wants to say that that’s just how things work generally with people being either into cars or not, but I can see that as a fair argument. Though another point I’d like to make is that the Stinger has a full light bar in the back, so I’d argue that if the Type R did as well like he’s saying in this video, then they would be even more difficult to tell apart.
I disagree: The interior in VW R is a total fail, because of cheap, lifeless haptic buttons, and tons of dirt-and-scratch attracting piano-black plastics. And it is also hard to use due to lack of physical buttons/knobs for basic functions such as AC or sound. Honda has a much better interior from materials and functionality point of view, although its style is more utilitarian. The only advantages for VW (off the top of my head) are a well-designed 4x4 drive, electric seats with memory, heating and cooling, and a sunroof, which make the VW a much more well-rounded and practical car, compared to a single-dimensional Honda.
They already have updated the software and it’s 100% better in VW.. as far as I’m aware I’m new Golf’s they have a new chip or something which helps improve its speed and use.
Hey Bembli, A suggestion for future videos: The volume is comparatively lower than other videos I watch. I can't hear you clearly because my Headphone's maximum volume is pretty low. Personally, I would go for the Honda Civic Type R for its fantastic driving experience!
I purchased a FL5 CIVIC TYPE R and also own a GOLF6 Edition35 that I BOOSTed. Both are similar, but with different AT and MT, so I switch between them when I feel like it.
I’d be interested to see a 3-way comparison between the CTR, VW Golf R, and Toyota GR Corolla, if u can. Just to see how they all stack up when pitted against each other at the same time
For a street car and a daily car the golf R is a better car, as the 4 WD system is brilliant and will get you of the line much better and it’s safer in bad weather, as a track car the Type R is the one to go for.
I sat in both cars. New golf looks and feels horrendous tbh. I was surprised you picked golf over the civic. The golf central entertainment is so cheap especially the touch sensitive fan speed and temperature. The civic is so much better in both exterior and interior.
I like the Golf being much more quiet inside the cabin, better interior and paint quality, quicker off the line because it's all wheel drive and the smaller size (I know most of this being a GTI owner) but I bought the Honda just because I'm not into working on my car and the Golf is going to be more labor intensive over time. Too, the Honda might be more exclusive and a better investment over time.
The Golf R does 0 to 60 is around 4 seconds and sometimes less depending on the channel or review you watch. The Type R is more of a Track car than a 0 to 60 car. I like them both!
I went from a fk8 to a mk7.5R yes, the fk8 is fun to drive hard about on the canyon runs, but even with the faux awd haldex, the golf R just feels like it puts the power down so well. when you talk about modifying these cars. my fk8 had a p600 turbo (450whp)and even with p4s it'll spin 40 rolls. the Golf R has no drama. Its a rocket on the everday commute. point it. and shoot. theres no spinning. from a standstill, to any roll. I wasn't convinced on the MK8R and it's looks and the price they were trying to sell them at. I'm happy with the mk7.5. once you go awd you cant go back xD
Honda is finally giving us the subdued look of old, one of the reasons they were so popular back in the 90s. Simple and clean. But still...I wouldn't get a Mk8, but I sure like the looks of a Mk6 or 7 R. To me, the original Ek9 was the best-looking Civic Type-R, followed by the FD2.
Let me get this straight. A less ergonomical interior with a slideypad instead of knobs and capacitive crap instead of real buttons is a more refined interior?
Good choice Bembli! Ironically I do have the new Gen Civic sedan, and I like it. However the Civic R feels less "functional" than the last one. Its too much of a 4 dr coupe with a fastback, vs a true hatch. The Golf R is true hatch, and still has a "sleeper" quality that I love. You have to go up close to notice its not a normal Golf, vs the Civic R with its racer wing (feels tacked on to me). Also like the fact the Golf R has a DSG which is nice in LA traffic, and is faster than the manual by a few ticks.
I'm finally starting to believe in car designers again. Especially, Asain cars. In my opinion, Kia and Hyundai have been nailing it, especially with their Genesis. Even cars like the 2022 Kia Sorento and Hyundai Sonata, I can't help but look at those cars twice every time I see them, and they're just average cars.
cant go wrong with either, id say Golf is a bit more conservative, Type R stick to the old FWD formula, but i think Honda can experiment a bit more like Toyota with GR.
Golf R until we get to the interior... then I'll take the Civic Type R; VW really dropped the ball here considering the price. As for mechanicals... I can't image dropping that type of cash on a FWD vehicle, doesn't make sense.
I want Honda to make a cleaner version of the Type R without the wing and a traditional trunk instead of the hatch. The rest of the design is quite handsome.
Type R and Integra are good compact icons and what I love more is that both becomes with 6s manual which nowadays limited but if golf R comes with also with manual gearbox I choose the golf! Otherwise probably Type R are my decision.
If I was comparing buying one only on performance. Then it would be close. But I would still prefer the Golf R because I enjoy 0-60 the most. And I honestly will never take it to a circuit to benefit from the Civics track times. But if I was to compare both cars on everything else. The Golf R is the extremely dominant winner
designwise the golf takes it for me but i still like the civic better idk why i think its the billet aluminum shift nob thats won me over as well as the way better pedal placement
The haptic touch infotainment and ac controls is terrible for a long trip compared to the Honda. Those Honda seats fit the purpose of the vehicle. Rear goes to the golf because you get vents USBC etc. Room and cargo easily goes to the Honda. Rear and front looks Honda side a tie. Straight line golf Twisties have nfa rain or snow golf dry Honda.
The power output of the CTR makes it easy for the Golf R to compensate with awd+dsg. The FL5 is like a GT3 but with 350hp… it’s track-focused? But it aint gonna win any races with a hypothetical 350hp. You would have to seriously mod the FL5 so that it can (out)shine the Golf R. Here’s another fact: 90% of the FL5 drivers won’t have the skills to properly rip it to its full potential, making it even easier for a Golf R MK8 to eat you alive. Let’s not even mention a dig encounter.
That's a tough comparison. I personally prefer the GR Corolla over both VW and R. However as many have stated. I think the design of the R is superior than the VW. Inside and out. The VW has that upscale feel though. I think the VW is a better family performance car however the R is a family sports car. Kind of like a Challenger ScatPack/Hellcat compared to a Charger.
1. Fl5 still has fake vents both in front and rear. (See auto trader review of 2023 type r) 2. There is no known official time for fl5 type r, no quarter mile, no 0 to 60 released by Honda. (Where did you get that 0 to 60 time from?) 3. Fl5 lost to fk8 at Sodegaura raceway in 2 of 3 laps, while the fk8 had traffic and worn down tyres on the track. (Same driver) 4. There is no nurburgring time for fl5. Only a home Suzuka track, but the beating it took from fk8 at Sodegaura far worse.
I would choose a Golf over the Civic Type R. Golf's what we call a proper hot hatch, Type R isn't. Also I am pretty sure that Type R would be faster in track, but I mean who's gonna take a car to the tracks everyday . Also, Golf R's faster on the go/in a straight line. So yeah, Golf is the one!😊
the CTR marks up are horrendous.....i watched a video where a guy was trying to trade in his 2021 CTR which he says he paid $48k. The dealership wanted to give $40k., then they wanted $44k plus $25k markup......in total he would have paid $90k!!!!!! That being said, the Golf R is more mature for me, but i like the Civic for reliability
●It gets worse there is big markup on the fl5 civic. ●People are apparently on average paying 70k as price and up to 90k after interests. (20+k markups then interest) This seems to be fuelled by 1. People willing to pay 2. Short supply, 1 fl5 per dealer per year
You are aware models have different trims and costs right? These aren't the economy cars you're thinking of. The development costs of some of these cars surpass those of base models from more "luxury" car makers.
You can always buy or pre older new golf r, but the type r in NA we all know it now don't we... thats not something you want it and you can just go do dealership get it
Type R is 100% the better DD. Firstly the interior of the Golf R is *not* comfortable. The CTR has way more comfortable seats. Gloss black on interior plastics is a magnet for fingerprints and dust. It loses that 'premium' look after the first serious drive. The Golf R hatch area is 5sqft less area than the CTR and the entire interior has 10sqft less room. The curb weight of the Golf is also 200lb more than the CTR. In the compact DD category every bit of space makes a difference in the comfort and usability. You better believe I'm using every sqft of space, and the Golf R is just too small to be practical or comfortable.
@@WitchYuki22 I will be; have you actually sat in both vehicles? Anyone above 5' 5" dreads being in the back seats of a Golf. The front seats are far superior to the dull uncomfortable Golf as well.
@@XenoZentag If you're going to track your supposed daily everyday, I think you can get a better track car for the same price especially considering the markups lol Most of the improvements are for track driving not DD. Also why tf are you caring about the back seats when you're the damn driver lmao
@@WitchYuki22 fortunately I've got mine for MSRP so yes it's probably not for everyone. You can definitely get a better track car than either for that money if you're willing to build it. The CTR is the most practical DD while balancing being fun at the track, and yes I have friends that I enjoy it with. The golf fails at that balance which is why the CTR is a better choice if you're driving it in the city and on the track.
When it comes to car body, I think Golf lost a lot of it's soul after generation IV when especially the front started to look very generic. I remember when Golf (usually a used one) was this cool car for a young man and now it's not that much anymore.
I can not understand where you see the beauty in the taper; The design doesn't stick anywhere... It's ugly.. The golf with a more competitive suspension becomes a beast..
Golf R. Cars aside, would you please move the microphone closer? Or maybe boost sound at least +35%?, since you moved sound is way too low even with headphones not to mention almost mute on TV. Thanks.
Always liked Golf R but not this new generation. It looks awful. The front bumper sucks. No knobs inside also. Never thought I say this as I love German cars but the Civic Type R is better this go around.
This is a tough one! I love the timelessness of the Golf and the fact that it is AWD. On the other hand, the Type R is definitely the more thoroughbred vehicle and would probably be more fun to drive. I think I'd have to go with the Type R. If I'm paying this much for a hatchback I want it to be mental to drive.
Funny thing is, toyota made much more of a thoroughbred when they made the GR Corolla, but it’s $7,000 cheaper. I’m not trying to troll or gate-keep. It’s just something interesting I noticed
@@mrsoisauce9017 I just don't like the corolla overall. It doesn't inspire me. Now if they had the GR Yaris here, I'd be all over it.
@@ghost21501 the GR Corolla is basically the GR Yaris, but if it was a 4 door hatchback. I agree with u in that I wish the GR Yaris would come stateside, but the GR Corolla is one hell of a next best thing, and it looks much crazier than both the CTR and the Golf R (GR Corolla, not standard Corolla Hatch)
@@ghost21501 if your in California you can import the gr Yaris from Mexico.
@@ghost21501 same. Corolla is not like the type R. The Type R is a legendary jdm car. Unlike the corolla they just made it to have a line up on hot hatch 😅
I'll take the civic interior anyday, its better looking and more practical with actual knobs and buttons
Curious. I think the Civic interior looks FAR better than the Golf interior... 🤔
That might be based on age, as a much older enthusiast I prefer less shouty colors and restrained which equals Golf R
@@eklektikTechno INTERIOR*
I love both cars, I would go with the Civic Type R because out of the two, I like that design more. I completely agree about the taillights on the Civic, I also feel that there should have been a full lightbar connecting. The odd way they just cut off in the middle doesn’t look right (to me). But overall, this Civic looks way better than the last body style.
As far as the Golf goes, I actually like the previous version better. Not a fan of the updated headlights and taillights. Had a cleaner look before.
I'm sure the Type R will be faster around a track as it has proven last gen, and I think I like it more
I think the new type r is a few second faster than the golf r, but these few second can really depend on the skill of the driver
No one is going to track the Type R. It will be a highway roller because everyone wants to take a wonderfully built machine to do 2nd and 3rd gear pulls.
How many people can go to the track every weekend? Lol
Most of us will be racing in the streets where 0-60 matters more
Asterisk! Golf R sends 50% power to rear wheels making it 50/50 BUT it can send all of that 50% to either wheels creating that rotation. Such a great improvement over the previous gen
Yeah I thought so, only the high end Germans got the 100% to rear wheels mode
Yeah, I'd thought 100% to the rear didn't sound right.
yes , you are just right, 50% torque to rear axle and 100% of this 50% could be splitted to one wheel to drift.
Sounds like Acura shawd system from years ago.
Nice video! I would choose Type R over the Golf R because comparing 0-60 time on last year it is big improvement from Honda they can do in less than 5 seconds. Civic feels more sporty and when you change to Type R mode the meter absolutely change to gorgeous meter, meanwhile the golf looks normal..
As far as looks, Honda wins this hands down. Both interior and exterior looks amazing.
Golf R is the best every day car. You can drive it easely in the snow with zero problem. Civic type R is a track day car oriented
I'm actually very impressed by his sketch drawings, it's not easy getting the proportions right, especially the first take. Keep that section in for future videos, that was great
I feel like the type r has that “special” factor over the golf r, but the golf r has the “premium” factor. The type r is going to turn more heads but the golf r is going be the one the family wants to be in
Other reviews said the Golf R climate control is all touch screen and capacitive buttons on the steering wheel, apparently it is clumsy to use.
I think Civic interior is better ergonomically.
Golf can’t send 100% of power to rear wheels. It can send max 50% of power to rear wheels. But It can send that 50% of power to one of the rear wheel which makes easy to drift.
Thanks for the correction. It can send 100% of the torque to one wheel.
@@Bembli no, 100% of 50% to one of the rear wheels
Coming from a diehard VW fanboy I hate to admit it, but the Type R exterior design looks better than the Golf. It’s more than likely a track day monster, Lotsa fun! I’m currently in a Mk7 GLI, my second after a 17’ Gen 6. I LOVE my little tuned rocket but I could be persuaded to let go of it for a Type R. Hell must’ve frozen over cause I can’t believe I just said that? 😂
This is one of the most underrated channels that I know of.
This is an easy choice for me. FL5 Civic Type R over the MK8 Golf R.
I don't care about AWD because where I live, AWD is not needed nor is it necessary. The Civic Type R is more spacious now than its predecessor sibling and the MK8 the Golf R. The cargo capacity is far more usable than the MK8 Golf R. The customization of the digital gauge cluster of changing the style of the tachometer/speedometer into the AP1 and AP2 gen S2000 style gauge cluster in a full digital format is surreal and will make you feel like you're in an S2000 with those vibes and infotainment system customization too. Regardless of the .2 tenth of a second difference, the new Type R is lighter than the new MK8 Golf R. The new Type R looks cooler (just like the 11th gen Civic Si) than the MK8 Golf R. However, the MK8 Golf R (and the MK8 Golf GTI) will age very well in its own right.
The new Type R is my pick and wins it for me.
If i had the money, I'd definitely go with the Golf R. I'm not skilled enough to reap the benefits of the more track capable Type R, i like how the Golf R has ventilated seats, rear vents, AWD so I don't have to worry about the snow with the right tires, and even though it has less leg room in the rear, it makes up for it in headroom because it doesn't have that sloping roof design.
Great video and fantastic comparison. Though i'd go with the Type-R and I believe that the tail lights being as they are will make the '23 Type-R remain distinct in this decade of lightbars (especially at night when you see it on the road).
you might mistake the kia stinger for the type r .
@@cielo20 I remember in a video from The Straight Pipes they mentioned that as a possibility but after seeing enough 11th gen hatches on the road (which have the same tail lights as the Type R) at this point, trust me, you can tell the difference.
@@Adam-cn7it you yes and someone into cars ,but the normal person will not , where i live its the case with bmw the all look thesame that you have to be not just any car enthusiast but a bmw enthusiast to tell apart the cars between m5 , 535-530-525
@@cielo20 interesting point. Part of me wants to say that that’s just how things work generally with people being either into cars or not, but I can see that as a fair argument. Though another point I’d like to make is that the Stinger has a full light bar in the back, so I’d argue that if the Type R did as well like he’s saying in this video, then they would be even more difficult to tell apart.
I disagree: The interior in VW R is a total fail, because of cheap, lifeless haptic buttons, and tons of dirt-and-scratch attracting piano-black plastics. And it is also hard to use due to lack of physical buttons/knobs for basic functions such as AC or sound. Honda has a much better interior from materials and functionality point of view, although its style is more utilitarian. The only advantages for VW (off the top of my head) are a well-designed 4x4 drive, electric seats with memory, heating and cooling, and a sunroof, which make the VW a much more well-rounded and practical car, compared to a single-dimensional Honda.
Type R the car value hardly drop that's all matters to me.
As of now I'd buy the Honda because of the shitty touch system in the Golf but once the facelift is out I'd go with the Golf
They already have updated the software and it’s 100% better in VW.. as far as I’m aware I’m new Golf’s they have a new chip or something which helps improve its speed and use.
Hey Bembli, A suggestion for future videos: The volume is comparatively lower than other videos I watch. I can't hear you clearly because my Headphone's maximum volume is pretty low.
Personally, I would go for the Honda Civic Type R for its fantastic driving experience!
I purchased a FL5 CIVIC TYPE R and also own a GOLF6 Edition35 that I BOOSTed. Both are similar, but with different AT and MT, so I switch between them when I feel like it.
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I like your new editing style
I´d probably go for the Type R, but it´s close
In comments everyone buy Honda Type R, but on road it 10x more Golf R.. probably with reason 😃
Limited production, and no GTI version the SI is sedan only.
Without hesitation the Civic Type R due to the interior design as the VW just looks cheap now.
Honda all day
Men alltså… easy pick. I’d pick the R. Honda. Period.
Get the Golf R you will save $20,000-25,000 for mods and rent!
The problem is Honda type R always out of stock and you can never get it
I’d be interested to see a 3-way comparison between the CTR, VW Golf R, and Toyota GR Corolla, if u can. Just to see how they all stack up when pitted against each other at the same time
For a street car and a daily car the golf R is a better car, as the 4 WD system is brilliant and will get you of the line much better and it’s safer in bad weather, as a track car the Type R is the one to go for.
No mention about maintenance cost and reliability. We all know Honda for the long haul.
I sat in both cars. New golf looks and feels horrendous tbh. I was surprised you picked golf over the civic. The golf central entertainment is so cheap especially the touch sensitive fan speed and temperature.
The civic is so much better in both exterior and interior.
I love my 8th gen si. Nothing past that. The original k series does it for me
Driven Both. Haven't thought of the Golf since
I like the Golf being much more quiet inside the cabin, better interior and paint quality, quicker off the line because it's all wheel drive and the smaller size (I know most of this being a GTI owner) but I bought the Honda just because I'm not into working on my car and the Golf is going to be more labor intensive over time. Too, the Honda might be more exclusive and a better investment over time.
Bembli, I believe you're the minority who think Golf's interior is more beautiful.
The Golf R does 0 to 60 is around 4 seconds and sometimes less depending on the channel or review you watch. The Type R is more of a Track car than a 0 to 60 car. I like them both!
I went from a fk8 to a mk7.5R yes, the fk8 is fun to drive hard about on the canyon runs, but even with the faux awd haldex, the golf R just feels like it puts the power down so well. when you talk about modifying these cars. my fk8 had a p600 turbo (450whp)and even with p4s it'll spin 40 rolls. the Golf R has no drama. Its a rocket on the everday commute. point it. and shoot. theres no spinning. from a standstill, to any roll. I wasn't convinced on the MK8R and it's looks and the price they were trying to sell them at. I'm happy with the mk7.5. once you go awd you cant go back xD
Honda is finally giving us the subdued look of old, one of the reasons they were so popular back in the 90s. Simple and clean. But still...I wouldn't get a Mk8, but I sure like the looks of a Mk6 or 7 R. To me, the original Ek9 was the best-looking Civic Type-R, followed by the FD2.
Let me get this straight. A less ergonomical interior with a slideypad instead of knobs and capacitive crap instead of real buttons is a more refined interior?
Can you redesign the new civic type R as a two door hatch like the old si?
it seems you're trying something new in the editing process of your video and i kinda like it. Anyway cool video as usual and i agree with your choice
Good comparison btw! The audio could be a little bit louder I suppose
Good choice Bembli! Ironically I do have the new Gen Civic sedan, and I like it. However the Civic R feels less "functional" than the last one. Its too much of a 4 dr coupe with a fastback, vs a true hatch. The Golf R is true hatch, and still has a "sleeper" quality that I love. You have to go up close to notice its not a normal Golf, vs the Civic R with its racer wing (feels tacked on to me). Also like the fact the Golf R has a DSG which is nice in LA traffic, and is faster than the manual by a few ticks.
It doesent matter if its a "true hatch" or not, it has more boot space than the golf r
Civic type r has 420l, golf r has 340l
I come for the car design reviews but I stay for the cats 🐈
I don't know the fillings of drifting but I would give to Honda more Health points just because it doesn't have that mode:))
GOLF R WILL GAP THAT TYPE R :)
owning both cars they are both great but the type r is far more fun to drive shifting corners grip all of it!
I'm finally starting to believe in car designers again. Especially, Asain cars. In my opinion, Kia and Hyundai have been nailing it, especially with their Genesis. Even cars like the 2022 Kia Sorento and Hyundai Sonata, I can't help but look at those cars twice every time I see them, and they're just average cars.
cant go wrong with either, id say Golf is a bit more conservative, Type R stick to the old FWD formula, but i think Honda can experiment a bit more like Toyota with GR.
Golf R until we get to the interior... then I'll take the Civic Type R; VW really dropped the ball here considering the price. As for mechanicals... I can't image dropping that type of cash on a FWD vehicle, doesn't make sense.
I want Honda to make a cleaner version of the Type R without the wing and a traditional trunk instead of the hatch. The rest of the design is quite handsome.
Can't believe we're comparing the hideous ricey Type R to the superior Golf R.
Don’t touch vw product disaster in reliability
Type R and Integra are good compact icons and what I love more is that both becomes with 6s manual which nowadays limited but if golf R comes with also with manual gearbox I choose the golf! Otherwise probably Type R are my decision.
Can you talk about Peugeot design?
This is the last ICE Type R - JDM made in Japan - will become a classic and rise in value
The Golf will be another also ran in the future
If I was comparing buying one only on performance. Then it would be close. But I would still prefer the Golf R because I enjoy 0-60 the most. And I honestly will never take it to a circuit to benefit from the Civics track times.
But if I was to compare both cars on everything else. The Golf R is the extremely dominant winner
designwise the golf takes it for me but i still like the civic better idk why i think its the billet aluminum shift nob thats won me over as well as the way better pedal placement
The haptic touch infotainment and ac controls is terrible for a long trip compared to the Honda.
Those Honda seats fit the purpose of the vehicle.
Rear goes to the golf because you get vents USBC etc.
Room and cargo easily goes to the Honda.
Rear and front looks Honda side a tie.
Straight line golf Twisties have nfa rain or snow golf dry Honda.
The power output of the CTR makes it easy for the Golf R to compensate with awd+dsg. The FL5 is like a GT3 but with 350hp… it’s track-focused? But it aint gonna win any races with a hypothetical 350hp. You would have to seriously mod the FL5 so that it can (out)shine the Golf R.
Here’s another fact: 90% of the FL5 drivers won’t have the skills to properly rip it to its full potential, making it even easier for a Golf R MK8 to eat you alive. Let’s not even mention a dig encounter.
That's a tough comparison. I personally prefer the GR Corolla over both VW and R. However as many have stated. I think the design of the R is superior than the VW. Inside and out. The VW has that upscale feel though. I think the VW is a better family performance car however the R is a family sports car. Kind of like a Challenger ScatPack/Hellcat compared to a Charger.
Whichever one has dash buttons for climate control.
Well the 2 grand is the difference between 2wd and AWD in many manufacturers
1. Fl5 still has fake vents both in front and rear. (See auto trader review of 2023 type r)
2. There is no known official time for fl5 type r, no quarter mile, no 0 to 60 released by Honda. (Where did you get that 0 to 60 time from?)
3. Fl5 lost to fk8 at Sodegaura raceway in 2 of 3 laps, while the fk8 had traffic and worn down tyres on the track. (Same driver)
4. There is no nurburgring time for fl5. Only a home Suzuka track, but the beating it took from fk8 at Sodegaura far worse.
Which ever car is more reliable.
The main thing that needs to be fixed with the Civic is to color match the wing.
I would choose a Golf over the Civic Type R. Golf's what we call a proper hot hatch, Type R isn't. Also I am pretty sure that Type R would be faster in track, but I mean who's gonna take a car to the tracks everyday . Also, Golf R's faster on the go/in a straight line. So yeah, Golf is the one!😊
Bembli talking of Cat-egories 😁👌
Without any hesitation I'd go for Golf R
the CTR marks up are horrendous.....i watched a video where a guy was trying to trade in his 2021 CTR which he says he paid $48k. The dealership wanted to give $40k., then they wanted $44k plus $25k markup......in total he would have paid $90k!!!!!! That being said, the Golf R is more mature for me, but i like the Civic for reliability
Then you should’ve chosen GR Corolla to compare instead which is also AWD!!
A Civic and Golf both over $40k? What kind of world do we live in?
●It gets worse there is big markup on the fl5 civic.
●People are apparently on average paying 70k as price and up to 90k after interests. (20+k markups then interest)
This seems to be fuelled by
1. People willing to pay
2. Short supply, 1 fl5 per dealer per year
The engineering on these cars is equivalent to most sports cars. It's not just a regular civic with a red badge. That's why.
You are aware models have different trims and costs right? These aren't the economy cars you're thinking of. The development costs of some of these cars surpass those of base models from more "luxury" car makers.
@@dknight25 The fl5 is one trim only. What are you talking about?
@@g0d182 He mentioned a Civic. He forgot a FL5 isn't a base trim Civic.
At my age I would do the Type R as a strictly track and play car but the Golf R I could do everyday due to its slightly more mature looks
Nope, Give me the Type R.
I want to see who wins on the track.
You can always buy or pre older new golf r, but the type r in NA we all know it now don't we... thats not something you want it and you can just go do dealership get it
Type R is 100% the better DD. Firstly the interior of the Golf R is *not* comfortable. The CTR has way more comfortable seats. Gloss black on interior plastics is a magnet for fingerprints and dust. It loses that 'premium' look after the first serious drive. The Golf R hatch area is 5sqft less area than the CTR and the entire interior has 10sqft less room. The curb weight of the Golf is also 200lb more than the CTR.
In the compact DD category every bit of space makes a difference in the comfort and usability. You better believe I'm using every sqft of space, and the Golf R is just too small to be practical or comfortable.
Type R does not even have heated seats lmao comfortable my ass LOL
Good luck driving that thing in places where there is actual snow
@@WitchYuki22 I will be; have you actually sat in both vehicles? Anyone above 5' 5" dreads being in the back seats of a Golf. The front seats are far superior to the dull uncomfortable Golf as well.
@@XenoZentag If you're going to track your supposed daily everyday, I think you can get a better track car for the same price especially considering the markups lol
Most of the improvements are for track driving not DD. Also why tf are you caring about the back seats when you're the damn driver lmao
@@WitchYuki22 fortunately I've got mine for MSRP so yes it's probably not for everyone. You can definitely get a better track car than either for that money if you're willing to build it. The CTR is the most practical DD while balancing being fun at the track, and yes I have friends that I enjoy it with. The golf fails at that balance which is why the CTR is a better choice if you're driving it in the city and on the track.
None of these two on the lot. Wasting time to think of getting one.
When it comes to car body, I think Golf lost a lot of it's soul after generation IV when especially the front started to look very generic. I remember when Golf (usually a used one) was this cool car for a young man and now it's not that much anymore.
VW golf r is a beast
330 Pk 4 the new civic not 315 PK and all the air intakes r fonctional on the FK8
I prefer N to them.. Sorry.
Much better buy
@@g0d182 that's fine, this two are definitely not losing anytime soon.
now, you would wish to have a Type R without markup
I'm a stuck up AWD snob and I've never been able to get into the Civic Type R because they all come in FWD..
For some reason, I keep thinking you’re somewhere in England 😂
That’s just your winner
I'll just buy both.
Ok Damn
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I can not understand where you see the beauty in the taper; The design doesn't stick anywhere... It's ugly.. The golf with a more competitive suspension becomes a beast..
Would never consider a vw over a honda lol besides reliability the golf looks boring. Type r will be worth way more as well.
Golf R.
Cars aside, would you please move the microphone closer? Or maybe boost sound at least +35%?, since you moved sound is way too low even with headphones not to mention almost mute on TV. Thanks.
Love the new Honda but it screams more accord than civic
Golf r.. period
Love that car ❤️
Golf-GTR-R
None make a sleeper 4cly faster for cheaper.
CTR easily
Always liked Golf R but not this new generation. It looks awful. The front bumper sucks. No knobs inside also. Never thought I say this as I love German cars but the Civic Type R is better this go around.