Just want to say thank you, you've restored my faith in track tests for current cars. Usually they are so overproduced and you cant tell anything. Having a pro driver give a shakedown showing the good and bad, I haven't seen it done this well since Best Motoring. Well done. 911 call was hilarious.
Hi guys, owner of 2023 WRX here got it brand new. No the new FA24 is not going to blow up on the track with modifications. Mine has all the bolt on’s with a custom tune on 93 pump gas, top of the line Fortune auto suspension sticky tires and all around STI Brembo brakes. Cost on all that and the car $41,000 it has 390 horse 450 torque my car is running circles around type R’s GR Corolla and many other vehicles on the track. And I still paid less than those guys and I’ve had zero issues with the car and now it has 30,000 miles on it. So yeah, if you wanna have a fun car for a daily and a track weapon, WRX is a clear winner. With plenty of money, saved over those two cars and many other competitors, including some M BMWs Porsche, etc.
Warranty is now void . it burst into flames do too an unrelated thing , oh well to bad you drove how it's meant to be driven can't help ya now. That free track day we gave you that's meant to be used when your warranty is up not while you still have warranty
This felt so more real than reviewers afraid to say negative things about the car, and the CTR blowout is so real, I worry about daily driving a sidewall that small.
@@MyRealNamefwiw ITS ads is a $200 part and takes like a 15 min install and its still an oem part from the sameish car But yes, the engineers in Japan wanted an "extteme" mode
@@MyRealName comfort mode with the stock module isn’t bad at all. +R is utterly unbearable. I think it was more so developed for smooth as glass F1 level circuits. Thank God for individual mode when I drive to work everyday lol.
Great vid, thanks! Am I the only one here caught up on the fact the these 2 hot hatches can only do 2-3 hot laps on track?? (And not for brake & tire temps, but for actual engine & drivetrain components...)
Fun note is the Corolla AWD is that it does not overheat. There is just a timer in the ECU that counts down during hard driving and when that reaches zero: AWD overheat. The sensor in the rear diff unit doesn't do anything, isn't in the liquid, doesn't change anything unplugged, doesn't change anything with a cooler. The ONLY fix I've ever seen was from Best Motoring for a Yaris episode running the same awd design. There was a UK company (not sure which) that has an ECU mod (piggyback system?) that could be added to the car, and then the AWD timer is bypassed letting you run it in awd for a long time no problem. This Best Motoring episode is 2 years old, so this info has been out for quite a while. But no one really talks about it ever and just keeps blaming the overheating issue which isn't really real. I don't know why Toyota programmed it into the ECU like that, and there is no bypass I'm aware of. There might be some fancy "pedal dance" kind of bypass or access mode in the software, but I've never seen anything. The only think is some add-on thing from the UK from some company unknown ot me but has been around for years as a support for the Yaris that first had this awd system.
While it is software trigger limit there has to be reason for that. Toyota don't want you to run these harder and longer perior doing so will definitely kill is within Warren period. All properly built high perf cars cool these fluids in diff that's the right way.
@@tommynguyen8620 No idea. Outside of the one Best Motoring video from 2 years ago where one tuner for the Yaris (Revolution) was talking about using some system from the UK to defeat the awd overheat cutout, I've never seen anything more about it. I have no idea what company was used, what the system is, or anything. I don't have a Corolla GR, so I'm not really vested to dig into this stuff, just merely stuff I've come across.
@@m4u5 No idea why. There's tuners that have been trying to figure that out, including opening up the system, testing the sensor, making custom parts, adding coolers, all kinds of stuff, and the result has been they have no clue. They're pushing cars up to 400-500hp and don't know why. It's just a timer that counts down in the ECU. That's it. The sensor in the back just sits in air, not even in the liquid and doesn't absolutely nothing. So there's an aftermarket that wants to do stuff with it, beef it up if needed, handle thermals if needed, and they can't bypass the problem. People also seem reluctant to just pull the ECU and toss an aftermarket one in instead to work around it. Folks want a work-around, ideally OEM and of course simple. But from Toyota's side, this is likely something like a gen 2 track mode or something. I don't know. Even Japanese tuners who have started with the Yaris GR we didn't get and have worked through the Yaris and now Corolla don't have Toyota coming out with an OEM bypass of any kind.
@@tommynguyen8620 Here's the UA-cam episode: ua-cam.com/video/I3L1x57Uhmo/v-deo.html 2min:13sec into the video the tuner guy from Revolution mentions the UK brand controller that fixed the awd cutout. It might be a unit that independently controls the awd actuation and completely ignores the ECU, but I have no idea, and he doesn't say what brand made the controller, just that it's from the UK.
The "pedal dance" was also a thing in the FR-S/BRZ 😆 1. Warm the car up, pull e-brake 3x (leave up on the last pull) 2. Depress brake pedal 3x (holding on the last) 3. Frustratingly repeat until TC and SC magically turn off 🤬 4. Don't turn the car off unless you want to repeat steps 1-3!!!
it's a thing with every Toyota and Lexus product Oh and every Honda and Acura product as well. Did it in my MDX a few times when I wanted to do more of a showy run at rallycross and get the rear end to slide out a bit
Almost bought the GR but ended up with the FL5 a few months back. Much better interior, seats and overall feel. Plus the salesman at the Toyota dealership was lowballing me on my 2022 Bronco trade in, plus he was being kinda an ass.
It was bouncy because suspension was on full force rebound at R mode. It goes up but not open fast enough to be ready for another hit. So you have what we call in suspension industry "packing". Clearly seen on C camera mounted on fender when wheel is shown.
When you do the pedal dance in the FL5 to defeat the VSC, it also allows you to run outside of +R mode while also allowing the traction/stability to be completely off (something you can normally only do in +R). You could go into Individual mode and set everything into +R (steering, engine response, etc) but the suspension in comfort and still have traction/stability off. It works for bumpy tracks!
Just goes to show you there is no perfect car, especially out of the box… but with money you can certainly get close. Choose your Pokémon er… uh, platform wisely!
GR Corolla had traction control on the entire time, the car is an entirely different driving experience with TC off. The understeer feeling was definitely the tc in the car limiting power as the rear was sliding, thus causing the car to push the front.
Honestly, the plates were the highlight of the video for me when i saw them. The owner sliding in the "lol" on both plates is the cherry on top for me!😂
Interesting to see the deflection on the WRX with those go-pro shots of the suspension. There are Rear subframe lockdown kits and I bet that would really help the rotation of the car
I have a GR Corolla and the understeer and the car not wanting to rotate is definitely my biggest (and honestly only) real problem with the car. Whether its 50/50 or 30/70 torque split, it doesnt want to rotate unless you pull the handbrake, and obviously you arent gonna do that on a track. Im not sure what the solution is, whether its suspension setup or just the way the AWD system works with the clutch pack, but its something that im hoping to find a fix for in the future
A popular and inexpensive mod to fix the Civic type R too stiff of a suspension is to install a ADS module from a Integra type S. That's how they should of came out from the factory.
Jesus I wish there was an INDIVIDUAL mode in the Type R which lets you literally customize each setting and maybe put the suspension in comfort! Golly Me!
GR's tires were probably getting pretty tired by the time he got the clean lap. The diff overheating issue isn't overheating - it's something in the ECU that is reading a sensor that doesn't really do anything. The thought is it can be fixed by tuners once it's found in the programming.
We tried switching it over before Coby's last session in the car, and the settings didn't work. User error, sure, but there's a learning curve on tech and there is limited time to film these things. A possible more appropriate solution would be for Honda to not set up "R" mode to be so insanely over-damped lol
Siiiiick, love this. Not surprised on the GRC issues, seems like that happens a lot kind of similar to the FORS. Also not surprised at how stiff the suspension is on the FL5. Seeing both Dai Yoshihara and DK drive them around track when they came out and they had similar comments. Im surprised the FL5 stayed in R mode with the pedal dance, iirc the FK8 kicks you back into sport mode if you do that. Good stuff, keep it comin!
I know it become more expensive, but to be a complete fair comparison it should be on the same tyres. For example the FK8 and FL5, would love to see a comparison with them having the exact same wheels, tyre make/model/size, to confirm if the FL5 is actually faster or not. anyway, great video
It will be disrespectful if I watch another video other than GnG on a Saturday when I wake up. On a more serious note, the Type R was 2.5 seconds faster than the GR. That’s the difference .4 liters and 1 cylinder can make. I always said, Toyota should had made the GR Corolla with a 4 cylinder based from the G16 engine. It would have been a 2.2 liter, roughly.
Nah that seemed more like a suspension tuning thing. It understeered everywhere. That time gap is time spent fighting the car trying to bludgeon it into turn-in.
@@TypeVertigo Besides that point. A little tweaking here and there. But both cars are stock performance wise. If the GR was 4 cylinder, it would ve over. The under steer would still there, but the top speed could be better or reached faster. 🤷🏼♂️ Just my opinion.
Just want to say thank you, you've restored my faith in track tests for current cars. Usually they are so overproduced and you cant tell anything. Having a pro driver give a shakedown showing the good and bad, I haven't seen it done this well since Best Motoring. Well done. 911 call was hilarious.
Hi guys, owner of 2023 WRX here got it brand new. No the new FA24 is not going to blow up on the track with modifications. Mine has all the bolt on’s with a custom tune on 93 pump gas, top of the line Fortune auto suspension sticky tires and all around STI Brembo brakes. Cost on all that and the car $41,000 it has 390 horse 450 torque my car is running circles around type R’s GR Corolla and many other vehicles on the track. And I still paid less than those guys and I’ve had zero issues with the car and now it has 30,000 miles on it. So yeah, if you wanna have a fun car for a daily and a track weapon, WRX is a clear winner. With plenty of money, saved over those two cars and many other competitors, including some M BMWs Porsche, etc.
I was going to post something similar (also a 23 owner). FA24 is a beast and the VB in this test was a $1000 tune away from beating the CTR.
Subaru for the win!! Your wrx sounds like a weapon! 💯✨️🧨
Saturday morning is not complete without gears and gasoline. An adult Saturday morning cartoon experience lol
Back in the day there was Horsepower TV after Saturday morning cartoons.
preach, bro
Agreed
Love the pedal cam and the suspension cam. You continue to outdo yourselves for sure, and we need more of Coby on the channel!
Is that a Corolla GR at the track?!?!?! NOOOOOOO!!!! THIS IS ABUSE OF THE VEHICLE!!!!!
😂😂😂 I came here to comment that they better keep the GR under 80mph... or void the factory warranty!
Is there any solution to the diff overheating yet?
Warranty is now void . it burst into flames do too an unrelated thing , oh well to bad you drove how it's meant to be driven can't help ya now. That free track day we gave you that's meant to be used when your warranty is up not while you still have warranty
Will not be sold as track ready anymore by Toyota 😂
@@v8_sami a thicker oil perhaps?
As an owner of a 2022 wrx, this video puts a smile on my face
Nice to see some love for our cars
This felt so more real than reviewers afraid to say negative things about the car, and the CTR blowout is so real, I worry about daily driving a sidewall that small.
2:32 chris "I made a poor financial decision" ben "that's awesome" 🤣
FL5 in individual mode. Set everything in +R with suspension in comfort. This is the way 👌throw in the integra suspension module and it’s perfect.
I already threw in the ITS module, and it's way better. Highly recommend.
it's bizarre how bad they tuned it out of factory, you shouldn't be forced to modify a brand new modern and expensive hot hatch
@@MyRealNamefwiw ITS ads is a $200 part and takes like a 15 min install and its still an oem part from the sameish car
But yes, the engineers in Japan wanted an "extteme" mode
@@MyRealName yeah, I don't know why they made it so incredibly over damped.
@@MyRealName comfort mode with the stock module isn’t bad at all. +R is utterly unbearable. I think it was more so developed for smooth as glass F1 level circuits. Thank God for individual mode when I drive to work everyday lol.
The Car was so scared it called 911😂😂😂😂
actually wild😭
It'll happen when you're a little 3 pot and 8 cylinders of angry American comes screaming past.
Love the WRX lurking in the back ground in the intro
Great vid, thanks!
Am I the only one here caught up on the fact the these 2 hot hatches can only do 2-3 hot laps on track??
(And not for brake & tire temps, but for actual engine & drivetrain components...)
Really appreciate Coby's insight and perspective. As a track person its very useful knowledge to note.
Fun note is the Corolla AWD is that it does not overheat. There is just a timer in the ECU that counts down during hard driving and when that reaches zero: AWD overheat. The sensor in the rear diff unit doesn't do anything, isn't in the liquid, doesn't change anything unplugged, doesn't change anything with a cooler. The ONLY fix I've ever seen was from Best Motoring for a Yaris episode running the same awd design. There was a UK company (not sure which) that has an ECU mod (piggyback system?) that could be added to the car, and then the AWD timer is bypassed letting you run it in awd for a long time no problem. This Best Motoring episode is 2 years old, so this info has been out for quite a while. But no one really talks about it ever and just keeps blaming the overheating issue which isn't really real. I don't know why Toyota programmed it into the ECU like that, and there is no bypass I'm aware of. There might be some fancy "pedal dance" kind of bypass or access mode in the software, but I've never seen anything. The only think is some add-on thing from the UK from some company unknown ot me but has been around for years as a support for the Yaris that first had this awd system.
Do you know if that ECU piggyback for the GRY can be applied to the GRC?
While it is software trigger limit there has to be reason for that. Toyota don't want you to run these harder and longer perior doing so will definitely kill is within Warren period. All properly built high perf cars cool these fluids in diff that's the right way.
@@tommynguyen8620 No idea. Outside of the one Best Motoring video from 2 years ago where one tuner for the Yaris (Revolution) was talking about using some system from the UK to defeat the awd overheat cutout, I've never seen anything more about it. I have no idea what company was used, what the system is, or anything. I don't have a Corolla GR, so I'm not really vested to dig into this stuff, just merely stuff I've come across.
@@m4u5 No idea why. There's tuners that have been trying to figure that out, including opening up the system, testing the sensor, making custom parts, adding coolers, all kinds of stuff, and the result has been they have no clue. They're pushing cars up to 400-500hp and don't know why. It's just a timer that counts down in the ECU. That's it. The sensor in the back just sits in air, not even in the liquid and doesn't absolutely nothing. So there's an aftermarket that wants to do stuff with it, beef it up if needed, handle thermals if needed, and they can't bypass the problem. People also seem reluctant to just pull the ECU and toss an aftermarket one in instead to work around it. Folks want a work-around, ideally OEM and of course simple. But from Toyota's side, this is likely something like a gen 2 track mode or something. I don't know. Even Japanese tuners who have started with the Yaris GR we didn't get and have worked through the Yaris and now Corolla don't have Toyota coming out with an OEM bypass of any kind.
@@tommynguyen8620 Here's the UA-cam episode:
ua-cam.com/video/I3L1x57Uhmo/v-deo.html
2min:13sec into the video the tuner guy from Revolution mentions the UK brand controller that fixed the awd cutout. It might be a unit that independently controls the awd actuation and completely ignores the ECU, but I have no idea, and he doesn't say what brand made the controller, just that it's from the UK.
Honda programmers be like R1 R2 L1 L2 ←↓→↑←↓→↑
aint that the health cheat in ps2 gta:sa
@@limitetpancake9459 yup
@@rcravincase i think i remember it slighly different though. i think it was R1,R2,L1,X,←↓→↑←↓→↑
@@limitetpancake9459 armor is r1 r2 l1 x according to reddit
@@rcravincase yea armor, health and i think like 125k$
This video proves that the current gen WRX is so underrated.
Cool video. I think the largest driver of pace difference on the WRX is the tires. Yeah they are low end 200TW tires but they are 200TW tires.
buddy thought he was going to flip that GRC and now he's stuck with it lol
The "pedal dance" was also a thing in the FR-S/BRZ 😆
1. Warm the car up, pull e-brake 3x (leave up on the last pull)
2. Depress brake pedal 3x (holding on the last)
3. Frustratingly repeat until TC and SC magically turn off 🤬
4. Don't turn the car off unless you want to repeat steps 1-3!!!
it's a thing with every Toyota and Lexus product
Oh and every Honda and Acura product as well. Did it in my MDX a few times when I wanted to do more of a showy run at rallycross and get the rear end to slide out a bit
Your guys channel is fantastic. Something about the casual way you guys make your content. Top notch UA-cam channel Gears and Gasoline.
The way you explain things is unmatched!
Let's be real we all were rooting for Golfball to win lol
Follow up comparison with both on Fortune coilovers and no other changes would be interesting. They both struggled on stock suspension.
That WRX sway bar shifts so much showing how much those fortune autos put in work
Would be cool to do videos and add the times of your own cars like the S2000 (when fixed) and RX-8
That WRX rear subframe flippy flopping around is wild!
Almost bought the GR but ended up with the FL5 a few months back. Much better interior, seats and overall feel. Plus the salesman at the Toyota dealership was lowballing me on my 2022 Bronco trade in, plus he was being kinda an ass.
More Finance. 😂
Excellent video only missing the Elantra N
just woke up with impeccable timing.
same lol only reason i wake up at 9 am on a saturday
It was bouncy because suspension was on full force rebound at R mode.
It goes up but not open fast enough to be ready for another hit.
So you have what we call in suspension industry "packing".
Clearly seen on C camera mounted on fender when wheel is shown.
Your track content is my favorite! We need more of this
When you do the pedal dance in the FL5 to defeat the VSC, it also allows you to run outside of +R mode while also allowing the traction/stability to be completely off (something you can normally only do in +R). You could go into Individual mode and set everything into +R (steering, engine response, etc) but the suspension in comfort and still have traction/stability off. It works for bumpy tracks!
I thought +R mode still kept VSA on, albeit more relaxed vs other modes
Just goes to show you there is no perfect car, especially out of the box… but with money you can certainly get close. Choose your Pokémon er… uh, platform wisely!
That was a great episode lol man that was jokes when the car called 911 when you got passed by those trans ams
that subframe bushing flex...
GR Corolla had traction control on the entire time, the car is an entirely different driving experience with TC off. The understeer feeling was definitely the tc in the car limiting power as the rear was sliding, thus causing the car to push the front.
The owners nuber plate game is on point!
Honestly, the plates were the highlight of the video for me when i saw them. The owner sliding in the "lol" on both plates is the cherry on top for me!😂
GNG has become my Saturday morning routine.
Love these videos - keep doing them!
Gotta love the point by, then full throttle out of the corner.
Interesting to see the deflection on the WRX with those go-pro shots of the suspension. There are Rear subframe lockdown kits and I bet that would really help the rotation of the car
It's crazy how awesome this is!
I love that shade of blue on the CTR.
I have a GR Corolla and the understeer and the car not wanting to rotate is definitely my biggest (and honestly only) real problem with the car. Whether its 50/50 or 30/70 torque split, it doesnt want to rotate unless you pull the handbrake, and obviously you arent gonna do that on a track. Im not sure what the solution is, whether its suspension setup or just the way the AWD system works with the clutch pack, but its something that im hoping to find a fix for in the future
Stiffer rear swaybar?
We need a lot more of these
A popular and inexpensive mod to fix the Civic type R too stiff of a suspension is to install a ADS module from a Integra type S. That's how they should of came out from the factory.
Those stupid automatic SOS systems need to be banned. Those are just dumb and they are constantly tracking you.
Beautiful Saturday morning, the rest of the fam is still asleep. Daddy time with G&G. 😎
I love this series.
Really love this kind of video!
I'd happily take the FL5... with some fortune auto coilovers, lol.
Chasing porches with a subaru , good job mannn
Toyota used that 911 call info to void the warranty
Would have been great if a *GR YARIS* could have made a guest appearance.
The WRX might benefit from new/stiffer subframe bushings!
love the editing
That safety shit automatically would have me wanting to sell the car
Did anyone else’s phone go off when Coby said “Hey Siri, call Ben Lin” 😂😂😂
After seeing that gt3 getting eaten 😅Coby is my hero
I want to know what sensor triggered the 911 call, that is to funny. "Do you need an ambulance? No, I'm on a track!"
I’m so jealous your home track is VIR😭. My favorite track of them all
Excellent video!
The RSB movement on the WRX is interesting.
Bots aside, I've been thinking about getting something "Sensible" to drive for a new daily. This was RIGHT on time. lol
I would like to see the GR86 run for a comparison
Thank you for this!!!!
And at the end of the day, an Evo beats them all. 😂
Yes.
Yall should have Coby drive the Acura Integra Type S and Elantra N next!
Good morning everyone ❤
Jesus I wish there was an INDIVIDUAL mode in the Type R which lets you literally customize each setting and maybe put the suspension in comfort! Golly Me!
What an episode!
This was awesome
When you buy a GT3 you should get driving lessons.
Most GT3 owners are more interested in bragging about PTS options and ADM
"The Toyota has had some overheating issues."
That's putting it mildly!
Gears and Gasoline owes Chris some gears and gasoline 😂
Throw in an N car next time if you can!
I’ve never had a car call the manufacturer on me😂😂😂😂😂
Let’s gooooo it’s Saturday!!!
Shoulda drive Mark’s evo x here
Old Honda xr600's had the 'honda dance' in the manual, if you didn't follow it, good luck kick staring that bad girl into life 😂
This is amazing 👏
GR's tires were probably getting pretty tired by the time he got the clean lap. The diff overheating issue isn't overheating - it's something in the ECU that is reading a sensor that doesn't really do anything. The thought is it can be fixed by tuners once it's found in the programming.
Also, the Fortune Auto WRX? "Golf Ball" is funny, but green and Orange? Surprised no one thought "Pumkin" lol
I'd like to see Colby in a Hyundai Elantra N Dct and a Veloster n Dct!
8:18 OH NO! Please don't take away his warranty Toyota! 😢
Why wouldn't you just adjust the suspension in 'Individual' in the CTR so that you could have everything else in R lol🤦♂
We tried switching it over before Coby's last session in the car, and the settings didn't work. User error, sure, but there's a learning curve on tech and there is limited time to film these things. A possible more appropriate solution would be for Honda to not set up "R" mode to be so insanely over-damped lol
damn you brave bringing the gr corolla on track. will all the toyota say dont
i get this channel focuses on japanese cars, but it would have been cool to compare these to the golf r
If my car called 911 on me I would get rid of it.
Reminder: Subaru WRX(VB) engine is a FA24, no longer a FA20 or EJ. Maybe the FA24 is more reliable.
I think a big takeaway is the wrx has the better awd system over toyota.
Siiiiick, love this. Not surprised on the GRC issues, seems like that happens a lot kind of similar to the FORS. Also not surprised at how stiff the suspension is on the FL5. Seeing both Dai Yoshihara and DK drive them around track when they came out and they had similar comments. Im surprised the FL5 stayed in R mode with the pedal dance, iirc the FK8 kicks you back into sport mode if you do that. Good stuff, keep it comin!
I know it become more expensive, but to be a complete fair comparison it should be on the same tyres.
For example the FK8 and FL5, would love to see a comparison with them having the exact same wheels, tyre make/model/size, to confirm if the FL5 is actually faster or not.
anyway, great video
Yo. Simpson hybrid for 3 points will provide hans function with a 3 point belt.
14:32 is that normal movement coming from the sway bar? Side to side?
key car shootout !!!
cars must cost less than 1000, and can only do 500 worth of mod.,
track + drag + estetics = winner
Well at least the GR didn’t catch on fire
8:17 void warranty (gps verified)
It will be disrespectful if I watch another video other than GnG on a Saturday when I wake up.
On a more serious note, the Type R was 2.5 seconds faster than the GR. That’s the difference .4 liters and 1 cylinder can make. I always said, Toyota should had made the GR Corolla with a 4 cylinder based from the G16 engine. It would have been a 2.2 liter, roughly.
Nah that seemed more like a suspension tuning thing. It understeered everywhere. That time gap is time spent fighting the car trying to bludgeon it into turn-in.
@@TypeVertigo Besides that point. A little tweaking here and there. But both cars are stock performance wise. If the GR was 4 cylinder, it would ve over. The under steer would still there, but the top speed could be better or reached faster. 🤷🏼♂️ Just my opinion.