Mitsubishi 4B11T: Everything You Need to Know
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
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To wrap all up, it’s easiest to just remember that the 4B11T is part of 4B1 engine family which is within the Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance between Mitsubishi, Chrysler, and Hyundai. It’s fundamentally different than the 463GT before it, however, in stock form it’s more efficient and makes more power.
Overall it’s a really awesome engine with a lot of potential, but a lot of people just never came to love it because of it’s usage in the Evo X, which was fatter and heavier than other Evo.
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Question what are the difference between the 4g63t Evo and the 4g63t eclipse I’ve own an Evo and I’ve own. Eclipse the gst and gsx. I’ve had the 1g and the 2g and people say the 1g is better because it doesn’t crank walk and that is a lie 1g crank walk
People complain when manufacturer uses new engine (4b11), also people complain when manufacturer keeps old engine (ej25). Can’t never please the tuner community
Can't Never ? don't you mean "can't ever" ( double negative is ...... well, what can I say) please don't vote.. HaHa
@@brettomeara5073 I hope people like you don’t vote
Evo 8/9 - Slicc Quicc Boi
Evo X - Thicc Quicc Boi
Evo III/Evo IV - Cutie Quicc Boi
@@adlibbed2138 evo x bulky
I find it weird people think the 10 is the worse evo. While it was heavier by about 250lbs it handled better than any evo before it and was one of the fastest ones stock. I think the only ones faster were the 5 and 6. I think most were just mad at the engine change and had fears over it being worse. Now the 4B11 is making just as much modded power as the 4G63 and it had way less time out in the wild.
Love my Evo X
Patrick Joseph same brother.
i loved my evo 8 i didn't like my evo x i had but i do like the sti i have now
I own a 2019 STI.. I had a Evo IX GSR in the past.
@ghetto1980 wow how did your dad feel about you coming out gay?
moe malik how do you like the sti vs Evo? I’ve owned a older Evo 4g63 I’ve never owned a Wrx sti Let me know thank you
Evo x FTW finally getting some of the respect it deserves but people really need to stop calling it the worst Evo. Worst shouldn’t even be in the same sentence as Evo
Someone told me my car was in this video...I thought it was a joke. Really cool, thanks for sharing!
Which one is yours?
@@lcameeno1 the Tiffany one @boosted_yeli
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Yeli!!!
Your videos have good info but no clips of the engine when talking about an engine. It wouldve been nice to see the design of the block, pistons, and crank. Didnt even have an engine bay picture vs a 4g. Looking at clips of tuned Evo X's while listening to the info was distracting more than helping.
I own both and can say stock to stock, my 2014 EVO X MR is just downright beast. Mind you, I haven't modified it, however, it can handle the power and my heavy foot over and over again. Not one regret and it was inevitable that the 4G63 (arguably the best 4 cylinder of all time) had to be replaced.
I have the exact same year/model, with very little changes and a great tuner I got 100 wheel hp increase. Stock was okay but a bit more power and better boost control are like night and day. Shifts brilliantly. Big thing is to warm up the trans before getting into S-Sport, that puts years of life back into the clutches.
I have a 2010 GSR and I gotta say it's a great engine. Did some mods like intercooler, exhaust and short throw shifter plus a tune @350hp 330tq... it has some crazy maintenance needs but I love taking care of it a lot.
At the end of the day, lets all agree its still better than the EJ series lol
:( lol
Dennis El Menace Sanchez Lopez leaps and bounds better than any EJ
Fuck that POS ej, I had an sti, bought an Evox, not looking back
Lmao true
The ej207 will definitely give it a run for its money
Love my evo x. Might be heavy but theres way to cut weight but im not trying to be a track monster or drag car. i still have lots of fun with 400whp and it shows when i do runs that its still fast
I love my Evo X. Mod for mod the 4b11 makes more power than the 4G63. Not only has it been the most reliable car I've owned. It's been the most fun. Everything about it is quite stout. The motor doesn't get enough recognition. It's not the power that kills the motor. It's the torque. Keep it under 400wtq and you're solid.
Man the Evo is always going to be in my heart ❤️ Some day, some day I'll get one.
As a evo X owner I agree with mostly everything you’ve said. I am currently at 600whp daily driven on a bone stock 4b11T for just over a year now.
As far as being heavy pig... it’s heavier than older evos yes but handles GREAT and the weight doesn’t seem to cause it to struggle in a straight line even vs lighter cars.
You are absolutely correct about the internet blowing things out of proportion. If I were to listen to t internet I would have never gotten an evo x. Now I’m 2 years into ownership with no regrets and laughing at all the nay sayers that has never even driven an evo x.
If and when this motor pops I will build it and quite easily make around 700whp with the stock gearbox And Tcase. Our rear diffs are pretty weak in the other hand. That I will have to upgrade to stay safe.
Good video! Keep it up!
Evo x is a sexy beast. I have an 8 but I'm just an evo fan. One things for sure is that if your motor does ever pop itll always be worth rebuilding bc the value probably isn't going anywhere. Ik I'll never ditch mine... stay safe
The weight doesn’t SEEM to cause it to struggle? Weight is weight. All cars are better with less of it. Period. If it was lighter it would be faster. Consequently it would handle better too.
@@nwbklr not all cars are better with less weight who told you that ? If a car is too light and has too much power itl spin out of control especially if it's rwd.
albert puljos facts. I have zero traction issues.
the evox has tourque vectoring...its going to beat any evo9/ralliartx in the corners
thank you youtube recommendations! this channel is great
You have an amazing unique channel 💯
Thank you for the enlightening video! I'm not even going to get into the best Evo debate....to each his own. I do know that I own a 2011 Evo that I bought brand new off the lot with cash and it is in my garage and I wouldn't sell it unless you offered me a 2020 Porsche 911 RSR as an even exchange. That is no exaggeration. I sold a 09 V8 BMW M3 to make room for the Evo and I haven't a single regret! The Evo looks especially beautiful sitting next to my 94 RX7 Turbo which I will never part with either.
You know what name-dropping is right? What you did in your comment is the equivalent of that but with your belongings...if you even do. It’s douchey and incredibly lame.
@@nwbklr Sorry that your perceptions are obviously skewed by something like, I don't know.... jealousy? Name dropping?! Nah, name dropping is more aligned with the practice of, like, taking note that guys with two first names in their names are usually, I don't know, douches?
Lancer Evo X is by far the best looking Evo ever built.... and My FQ 400 (now 800+) kicks everything on the street in so many ways. If you don't like them, keep it to yourself, as you probably haven't driven one. If you had you would know better.
The best handling evo was one of the arguably worst ones made just because it's heavier?🤣 not to mention the X is one of the best looking models of evo.
Yes. I like the X but if you look around on forums, most Mitsubishi people don’t seem to like the X.
I love the X. I think people hate on it just because of the engine change. Change scares some people; even when it's for the better.
@@Dustrunnersauto the forums are full of clowns. When the 9s were on the way forums hated that mivec was added. Because they thought the evos were turning into hondas with vtec. When the X was on the way people didnt like a newer better engine just because its aluminum block. Majority were fan boys with accounts that never will own one of any generation.
@@Dustrunnersauto being on EvoX and EvolutionM for years...a majority of people on those forums were non-owning idiots just pissing into cyber-space for shits and giggles. Of all of the Evo's released from 1-10, the Evo X MR was the fastest on the track and the Mitsu UK's FQ440 SST is still the highest AWD HP 4 cyl car to ever be released with factoruy warranty backing.
@@stephen9944 You're 100% right, majority of these people have never driven an evo! I own an 8mr, but i think my next purchase will be a Xmr...i must admit I used to be skeptical about the sst but ive had the opportunity to drive a built sst putting just shy of 400kw to the ground and it just left me speechless!
That was quite a lot of info in quite a short time!
I’d love to see a vid like this about the Mazda KL v6 engines or the Mitsubishi 6g7 series engines
that black Evo looks stunning
You mean all of them*
In regards to the Evo X being the “worst evo” because its the heaviest, id also like to mention that it was the Evo with the most body rigidity. Also the S-AWC made up for the heavy chassis in terms of handling. Calling the Evo X the worst Evo is like calling the R33 GTR the worst GTR just because its weight while you disregard all the aerodynamics and technology made to offset that weight.
The crank walk in the 4G63 was actually fixed in the Evolution 5 engine with updated thrust bearing. You can put the updated thrust bearing in the Evolution 4 4G63 but IIRC you do have to do some machining.
I don't know about technical..but I love Evo..fun to drive..tq 4 share
This is a very nice video I wish there was more info on the actual internals and there was more info comparing it to its other counter parts and what was different
Love those rims..... and those caliper color on the black one
I love my X
I think after 7yrs of production and 5yrs after consumers have warmed up to the EvoX. My favorite Evo design remains the V .
you can't really feel the evo x being heavy because of its AWC and AYC. it feels way more agile than evo 9. way less understeer into corners and actual slight oversteer when accelerating out of the corner. 4b11t/evo x haters either haven't driven both cars just regurgitating what other idiots say, or just have an under developed brain due to nostalgia blocking blood flow to their heads.
So we are going to ignore piston ring gap?
Love my Evo X, just an AEM CAI, Cobb EBC, High flow cat and upper intercooler pipe got it to 330/330 with a Chet Rickerman tune (legend). I like the the look of the 8 and 9 but no way am I jealous that they never released in Canada.
evo 8/9 with just a tune on e85 400awhp no joke bullet proof
@@user-fk2si1xc2s Not without a fuel pump and regulator. 1) they don't sell E85 in Canada 2) You get the same power with E85 on an Evo X 3) Good luck finding a Evo 8/9 that isn't beat.
My dream car right there #EvoX
You really don’t think the Evo 8 & 9 are better? I think they look much better and I believe they are faster. I think the only thing better about the X would be the interior.
You wouldn't happen to have the color code for the X used in the first two minutes, would you? or a source on who owns it? I am looking for change the color on my wicked white X, and that's the exact color I'm shooting for.
The crankwalk issue hasn't really existed in USDM Evos. Unless of course, the car has been very neglected by the owner. The only Evo that had the crankwalk issue was the Evo 4. You can even find their motors online for a lot cheaper than the next Evo 5 since the Evo 5 onward doesn't suffer from crankwalk.
Has anyone put the evo 10 engine in an earlier evo?
Does the 2009 lancer ES have 4b11 or a 4g63? im confused
The answer is YES!
Can you do a everything you need to know about the sr20det
The 4b11 has better flow out of the box from what I've heard which helps build power from the stock turbo
6G75 next pls
Watching this video makes me wanna buy am Evo 10
Do it
@@CreeperCustomPaintball my dream car is the Evo 9
I love mine. Ditch the stock turbo
Do it, the smiles are unbeatable
Damogan g if your dream car is a 9 then buy a 9
I absolutely love a big boii evo 10
The Ralliart's engine does not have forged internals, like the Evo X does. I would argue the X is the best Evo, considering not only the better engine, but the more clever AWD system with TRUE torque vectoring not braking, and also its chassis is 40% stiffer than the 9. Not to mention its the best looking sedan made in the last 20 years.
Also, other evos had torque vectoring, just not in the us
Evo X does not have forged internals besides the forged steel crank. The ralliart engine is exactly the same as the Evo X. The turbo and manifold is different.
@@chetrickerman yep. It's exactly the same engine. Evo X owners hate that the RA is using the same engine/gearbox while is cheaper and a bit lighter. Btw, RA have also the evo 9 awd. For the people that are into old evos feel.
@@octaviangeorge5455 Evo owners don't hate RA's at all. I think that's something RA owners spun up to justify the fact that they just couldn't afford the real thing. That's why you see more RA's at the wreckers because they couldn't hang with the maintanance costs. Evo's have a wider track, better suspension, better brakes, more stock power, better spool up, better weight distribution...yadda yadda. Seriously difficult to hate a lower end, lesser equipped car on paper just because it has the 4B11T.
@@stephen9944 not true. I've been in RA groups and in Evo groups. Ra groups are simple awesome while evo groups are full of jerks. Anyway, evo is not just a better car. Is just a different car. In RA you get same engine, same gearbox, same steering wheel, same dashes, same seats, same etc as in evo X, while you get the evo 9 awd. Witch means a more predictible and natural feel (1 of the main reason people dislike evo X and love the 9). You get a mechanical strong lsd in the back, while the X is using an weak open diff with electronics bullshit to make it handle better. Plus, in RA you get smaller turbo lag, better low-mid end torque, and a taller 6 gear. Better fuel milage. More space. Weights a bit less. Costs a bit less to mantain/insurance. And the big reason is that you save like 10 000e, that you can easily use to make the RA way faster than a stock Evo X while you are more unique. People know about evos, but RA is still a mistery. You can have it in rotor glow paint, that is a RA specific color. So overall, you have many advantages to get a RA even if you can afford an evo.
Exhaust manifold made from stainless steel or cast iron? Also, they crack.
One note, the OEM 4B11T exhaust manifold is cast iron, not stainless.
Made 722whp out of mine the hurricane Harvey put my evo in 5' of water. Funny is it ran after draining all critical fluids to get out of the shop for the insurance company to do its job and tow truck to take away.
Anything on the 4B12 ?
Owned Ralliart for couple of years now and i don’t think 4b11 is better than a 4G63 in stock form. People might get triggered but honestly EVO X is as good looking as any CT9A and way better than previous generations.
Guys I am in a position in my life where I can afford an Evo X Gsr now. Is it worth it still? Aside from the MKIV Supra 1993-1998 and the R34 V Spec II M Nurburing the EVO is the only other car I want. Is it too old? Hard to maintain?
I say if it calls you...get it. It sure sounds like it. Upkeep is typical sports car $, drive train fluids aren't cheap but very necessary to follow schedule and how hard you pound it.
Most people only think of how much power a engine can make. More power = better for them. But if you want actually good powerband you care about everything about a engine.
exactly. It's far easier to keep the 4B11T in boost and making power through corners, especially with the MR since you never lift throttle to shift.
@@stephen9944 You shouldn't really use no lift shift all the time. Just when you really need those ms
Is the 4b1 the same as the 4b11
Well i think it has proven itself now, the highest hp evo x now from english racing has a sleeved block 4b11-turbo making 1265whp with lots of torque compared to a 4g63-t at same power level.
can you tell me how much can I get a 4g63 AMG turned engine and six forward gear box with complete engine harnesses for
Ten millions if original Amg 4g63 🤔😭
I like this video, but the “crank walk” was an issue with the 4g63s in the Eclispes and Talons. Mainly in the 1995-1997 years.
Those went to a split thrust-bearing design in 1998.
Crankwalk as a result from a factory failure has not been documented on any US Evo 8/9 yet. That had no place in this video.
And he very clearly said the 4g63 suffered from it but this type evo didn't 👍
Drove my Evo X on black ice, on all year tires...barely noticed it😂
My neighbor have old Outlander which came with Evo 10 face on it..
My neighbor have old chihuahua which came with your face on it..
@@marcusssc8493 I could do the same roast to you but unfortunately you are socially insecure.
When I bought my Evo I wanted the lightest model possible but with the 4G engine having the cam gears on the left of the engine bay so I could use the IV-IX 4G63 being that there are lots of parts available for them. I also didn't want a wide car as in my country car parks are quite tight, so are garages.
I went with an Evolution IV RS (1 of 500 built) and I got it for a cheap price as nobody likes the "crankwalk"... so like any smart person I swapped the block to an Evo VIII block, problem solved.
Now I have the power of the Evo VIII (before I modified the engine) no AYC to break on me, factory LSD's and the car only weighs 2778 lbs.
Power-to-weight ratio makes a weapon, the X has a weight problem that a shipment of slim fast couldn't fix.
Damn dude that’s dope!
Let me tell you I have got a Evo X GSR bevor getting a Evo 6 TME RS. I was thinking to get an upgrade.. But sold the EVO 6 5 month later and got my baby EVO X again. It is more fun and engine sound is better the handling and the seats confort. It's a realy cool car. I have my own experience with cars, and I was listen to others speaking to me about the 4g or Evo 6 and I was thinking and starting believing the X isn't good enough... But nothing is better then making your own picture, with your own expirience. Don't believe like me what others say. Everybody has a different tast and perspective on how a car has to be... But at the end the car has to fit to u!
Love my evo x gsr love the 4b11t Only thing i dislike is how notchy the transmission is
I recommend getting the twm caged shifter
I did on my X
And it's so smooth
I can never go back to that stock plastic shifter
Yep I always think all that noise is not normal witch makes me paranoid I hate how loud it is
jose palacios yeah i dont blame you haha
Josue Aguilar i was thinking on buying one from them but never got around to it but also it being notchy is from factory i cant remember what it was
Bad Omen same for my s14 shifts like butter than i jump into my evo and im scared its about to break haha going to rebuild my tranny soon so hopefully it eliminates the issue
what makes the 4g63t and the 4b11t is in its stock form they have low compression and you can litterally shove more fuel and air in that making easy power without worrying about pre detonation
Love my 2011 MR.
So I'm guessing the genesis coupe turbo has the 4b11 too ?
Yes, except internals aren't forged like the 4B11T and its a longitudinally-mounted layout.
It has a different port design and camshaft profile
86 bore, 86 stroke 🤔 Nissan been using that in the SR20 series from 90 to early 2000's
Joe Brown nissan is one of the owners of Mitsubishi
Running 612 hp on a stock 4b11t block
The best EVO is the one still running good without problems.
My buddy has fully built EVO X down to the Sheppard tranny he is looking to sell. 730hp range at the tire. Let me know
The pictures and clips need to match what is being said. I wanted to see the different engines that were being mentioned. I know its more work but I'd really appreciate it.
Noted. Thanks for watching 🤟
It’s the same situation as when the K series first came out. Most of the Honda faithful still preferred the proven and reliable B Series. Over time Honda improved the K series and people discovered it was just as good if not better giving tuners options.
My only complaint with the 4B11 was that Mitsubishi never improved it. There was only one generation of the engine. People really need to compare the first gen 4G63 to the 4B11T.
Don't mind me, just a 4m40t owner having a look.
6:00 FACTS
Hopefully in a year or two U make update video called which is better 4G63T, 4B11T, or whatever that EVO 11 engine comes with assuming Renault-Nissan has the balls to bring the EVO back as the so called experts claim.
Evo x is definitely not the worst evo, only one that beats it out for me personally is the 8/9
I love my Evo X, I don't think it is the worst Evo. It is the only Evo in North America with AYC, so it is IMO the only "real" Evo in North America.
Lets resume this, all the defects has the previous evos has been fixed on the X, an example, my X pushes 400whp and 550nm on stock internals and stock gearbox, now 4 years later it has 220k km on it and it is still going fine and no issues at all, not a single light on the dash, still has all the horses.. damn why do i sold it 🤦🏻♂️? Oh yes thats for buying a gtr 😅 and tbh i love godzilla but i miss my X alot, 4 doors, 5 real seats and handles like a beast on dry and snowy roads
Hey man evo x as 260pound more than the evo 9 so it is verry similar and the evo x as way better esthetics than the evo 9 i love my evo x choice was easy for me and now pushing 450whp low boost and 645whp high boost
Until I see 4b11 swaps 4g63’s are still superior
At the end of the day, they r better than EJs
i think mitsubishi should of made a lot of 4B11T and transmission by them self, becuz im trying to find some but they cost a lot and i cant even find a use evo x 5 speed manual lol
Both evos are great. But the evo ix is the best of all time.
자막이 없네. .
Crank walk killed my TalonTsi
I love the x but the SST issues scare me
Don't be scared. A lot of those issues were RalliArts flashed with the MR's S-SPORT mode for launch control. If you can pay the $1000 for maintanance based on the owners manual, the SST is a Getrag and Getrag's are infamously strong. Stock can handle 346lbs of torque without any issues as long as you keep the fluids and filters changed and don't live in launch control.
Stephen H. So good for a DD? And around 400 hp
@@MrShadyss 400whp is good but above 340wtorque needs a clutch and fork upgrade. A good tuner can achieve that though. Mine has been sitting at 330/330 for a year now. GSR's at 400 eat clutches as well so it's not that the SST is weak. I've put 40k on mine in 2 years, long drive, some heavy traffic...it's been a pleasure to drive.
is it possible to engine swap my 2011 lancer es which have 4b11 to 4b11t without any hard things to get?
Happy Evo x mr owner
u won't be when that SST breaks its shift fork :/
@@LEGOLUVSU Yes you will, because you get an upgraded shiftfork and can upgrade the shitty stock clutches.
@@LEGOLUVSU 96k km's on mine, shifts like brand new.
Still running strong only code i gotten was a P0011 for the crankshaft sensor solenoid.
Dude sounds like jim dangle from reno 911
The 10 is perhaps the most effecient Evo.
SR20 DET vs QR25DE?? I know the QR isn’t boosted from factory but they are decent engine and some have boosted it and they have very good if not excellent torque to power ratio at least compared to the SR
@5:18 - Good lord that car is beautiful
personally, i hate the way the X looks. just my opinion. i’m currently saving up to either buy an s2000 or evo 8/9. still love the evos though!
Emission standards make me want to self harm
Only reason why i dislike evo x are those tail lights :/
Crankwalk = 7 bolt 4G
6 bolt is a tank...
Should've been in the eclipse too... but that name has been ruined
Great video but you missed quite a bit of things
- the motor itself is weak vs thr 4g63 due to water cool jackets because its aluminum. Now stock form is ok but majority of people will mod their car to make more power meaning the water jackets are an issue due to the aluminum needing to be cooled which means it needs to be sleeved which adds more to the build cost
- weight does not make that much of a difference being 20-30lbs overall
- Turbo in the back has more failure because of heat not being released behind the motor and makes turbo swaps extremely difficult taking almost 8-12 hours for a swap vs the turbo in the front where you can knock it out in 1-2 hours depending on your skill level. Heat under the oil pan does not make that much of a difference due to the oil cooler being vented.
- timing chain in the 4b11 is known to stretch and is difficult to get to if you need to upgrade it. Although I like the chain idea vs a belt due to strength without snapping but a belt is probably the best way to Go.
The 4B11 was the worst design they have created. I get they have to meet emmissions but they could have made the 4B11 similar to 4G63 with a few changes changes but staying close to the original design
Im not knocking your video you did good but this only helps for people who do not plan on modding their cars but we see everyone trying to beat records
Evos ended at 9
Why was the x the worst evo? I would disagree. They got better with time
sr20 54 c next please
Own an Sti, and any Evo is better period. Everybody wanting the 4g63 to last forever, while subie heads begging to get that ej retired. I owned a subie, and an sti model, and let me tell you, the forums are NOT lying, that engine is trash, outdated and breaks even without mods, I know, cause I had one, and did everything to save it from kabooming. Nonetheless, I tip my hat to mitsu for making 2 good engines no matter what. Below 500 can’t go wrong with either, and I have no intentions of putting 500 hp on my x but I wouldn’t be afraid to do it.
ej is like sr20
My boy said "Crankwalk", the Crankwalk issue was only in the 7 bolt 2g design and not in the EVOs. I HATED when people don't know wtf they are talking about. Even stock 6bolt 4g63s would make 500hp+ on stock internals. Funny how the mention putting the exhaust in the back was a great idea, 😆. Makes it that much harder to put a bigger turbo, not only that with extreme heat would melt the plastics, smh. "Oh they needed to mean the needs for emissions" it's a sports cars, what emissions are you trying to achieve here? That's BS,😆 far as I'm concerned, the EVO died with the 9.
There are plenty of 650 hp stock internal 4b11s, you can fanboy all you want, doesn't change the fact that you're wrong
@@TeslaHaxz that maybe true but your so limited with that engine because anything after that you need the block sleeved and kiss the rods good bye, 😁 Only thing the 4B11 has over the 4g63 is the no rocker valve train and timing chain. I do like the drive by wire boost adjustments on the Evo X but which Lucas English all ready did that on the 4g63 Evo. My point is this, if in fact the 4B11 was that superior to the "old man fanboy 4g63" EVERYONE would have jumped ship and joined the band wagon,🤔
@@ttpgarage agreed .... the only reason ppl like Evo glorifies Evo X is because it the most common Evo Mitsubishi has ever produced.... You go on a hunt for a Evo 9 or 8 and you rarely will find one and if you never owned a DSM car before like a 1g 2g you can't say A 4b11 better than a 4g63..
Always loved Evo VIII's and then the IX came out and it wasn't bad THEN the X came out and wtf man