Destiny 2: 5 Exotic Armor Made Irrelevant By Power Creep
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- Destiny has experienced many shifts in gameplay over the past few years, but one thing has remained a certainty: power creep. Today, I highlight 5 examples of exotic armor that essentially can be replaced by other exotics, abilities, aspects and even fragments.
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There were always bad exotic armors. Now the list has grown, esp. since it's been a while since we got a major overhaul for exotic armors, and *especially* since most of them weren't designed around elements 3.0 . Imo if bungie didn't add new exotics for a season or two and instead reworked old ones to be effective, it might as well be new.
True thats why im going to stop after season 19 the game became trash lol like you cant use most of the exotic weapons or armors
If bungie stoped adding new ones period then power creep wouldn’t happen. Here’s the thing I believe that no matter what power creep will happen, as long as the game is being updated all they can do is being old exotic up to par again, there not one game I’ve ever seen be able to do better because there’s not really a way.
@@brandonsupreme8380 bruh if you are gonna stop playing because stuff is “not useable” you might want to recheck what a game is all about which is fun
@@brandonsupreme8380 there isn’t a game in existence where a meta doesn’t exist???
Yeah I'm also super surprised that Datto didn't mention hallowfire heart like it's pretty power crept out by subclasses, mods and even heart of inmost light which is better in every way and can be equipped to any subclass
I think Celestial Nighthawk has been completely demolished ever since they removed its bonus damage, especially when Star-Eaters was later added, and then *again* with 3.0
I absolutely agree. Used to be able to pull 800K+ damage but now it barely scratches 100K
That was my go to in destiny 1 and it’s sad to see now these days.
The more I play the more I want season 19 to be "Season of the Status Quo". A whole season of just bringing content that already exists in the game, be it playlists, weapons or gear, to whichever nonsensical level of power we are going to have after the subclasses 3.0 updates are done.
Some will be pissed, but then again, those people also would have found something to complain about anywaysZ
@@boom-jr8vi Yep, can't please everyone and especially people who just like to complain in general.
That's what I've been saying for a while
Just imagine the final season of the witch queen just being random story beats, updates and myths leading to exotic quests.
And lastly a countdown to ruin. Where at the end of it we get another community event like the almighty or THE DARKNESS PROTOCOL
Do you also yell “damn kids” and “get off my lawn” quite a bit? Do you wear new balance shoes?
At this point vesper of radius should just be bombardiers for warlock. Stasis is frost pulse, arc is a chain lightning like arc bolt, solar a scorch pulse like 50ish stacks and void is a weaken or volatile wave.
Yes
This is a brilliant rework
dude, this is genius
I love this but I feel like it would counteract Frost Pulse so much that I can see it just being a pulse of Slow that could Freeze if the enemy has enough stacks.
@@CamRob_56 Maybe just extends frost pulse range if you have frost pulse equipped and if you don’t have on Frost Pulse it’s a much smaller radius
Honestly felwinters helm is one of the coolest exotics visually. I'm really disappointed how it's not too strong. I hope it will be more meta soon. It's just sick and has rad lore implications.
Yes! i use that helmet only my warlock at its amazing
I'll be honest I never used it, was it worth trying out?
Felwinters pre buff stacking nerf allowed you to two
Bell ciatal solo with cataclysmic
@@mattgillon3645 if you like to solo things with a constant 30% debuff which is nuts, then it is extremely worth it
it’s situational, but luckily it still has some fringe use (eg: prophecy solo)
Khepri's Sting made it so you dealt poison when you melee'd while invis back in D1. I could totally see them bringing that back. I'd actually prefer it to auto-using my charged melee.
khepris made your melees from behind while invisible 4x damage and had nothing to do with dot damage
Touch of Venom - Gain invisibility after crouching in place for a short time. Melee attacking an enemy from behind while invisible delivers 4x damage.
@@iamaccursed they did do dot though.. you might wanna refresh yourself and watch a vid.
@@iamaccursed It’s a hidden perk on the Khepri Sting. It used to say it does dot damage. Then they changed it so it does what it does now. Yet they still kept the dot damage on it when you melee.
The coolest part of khepris in d1 was the invis on subclasses that normally didn't have access to it like bladedancer and you could activate it while in super
@@Isabelle-mp8rk Yeah I’ve been saying they need to change it back to what it was in D1. I guarantee you that more people will use them then lol.
Felwinter’s helm is one of the coolest looking exotics based around one of the coolest characters in the lore.
It saddens me because I really loved it during Worthy launch
Using Frostpulse and Vesper of Radius used to be one of my all time favourite builds when Stasis first released. But then they added new exotics and aspects and stopped using the combo. Wouldn’t mind if Vesper got buffed in some way
They could make it pulse arc damage for the duration of the rift or fire out seeking/chaining arc bolts. Get a bit creative.
That wasn’t really good even back when Stasis dropped imo. It was a neat novelty, but I didn’t find worth my exotic slot
Could get something in Arc 3, maybe like a slow or blind effect
Should make it so that for 18 seconds after casting rift, your rift ability will be replaced with a blast wave that knocks back enemies, make it deal 120 to guardians, deal damage based on subclass your using, it would be both a counter and aid to apes, but that would also make it a easy swap and use exotic which I think Bungie wants to get away from.
Make Vepser work with Phoenix Dive
I’d prefer old/under-used exotics being reworked each season rather than new ones being added purely for the sake of it. Not everything has to be super meta or OP but the quality of new exotics varies so wildly between meta defining or just plainly terrible. Let’s show some love to some older exotics.
While I do agree and understand, the novelty of finding a new exotic and experimenting with it is one of my favorite things with the seasonal models. If they were to rework exotics over adding a new one, I'd hope they would rework 6 (two for each class) each season.
Yeah, I'd love to see Apotheosis Veil or Skull of Dire Ahamkara be reworked
Can't be bothered anymore trying to hope for a new season exotic armor to drop doing a lost sector.
But then you can't create "Player Engagement" by forcing them to run LS over and over because they'll already have the thing
They probably won’t do that since a lot of people will already have unlocked them. New exotics = more time needed to get them = people playing for a longer time and getting hyped when they see others with it. It keeps the players active and the game alive
Ever since felwinters helm came out I haven’t taken it off for more than like ten minutes 💀 Idk specifically why but it is hands down my favourite warlock exotic in the game. I love the look and hope for an ornament one day, and the feeling of weakening almost an entire room after finishing a champion in a lost sector is so fun for me. Only take off in pvp because it’s useless.
When I'm running Void, I also add Reactive Pulse for an overshield during the finisher animation (the secondary perk, Finisher Bulwark, is what you're looking for here), and Echo of Obscurity to go invisible when the finisher is done. So many times my keister has been saved by popping a finisher, getting the overshield, making everything dizzy, going invisible, and getting the hell out of there. It doesn't even require any ability energy like a Rift; just get the nearest add down to a quarter health and click your stick. Also works wonders in the middle of a Gambit front.
I only used the gloves that switch weapon faster but I will try the helmet out
Finally somebody gets it
My go to as well! I love running it in GM with invis and healing finisher (smaller cost than reactive pulse). You can use it with the arc well finisher mod and an arc build too and you're a monster.
Ngl, I didn't even know it existed 😂😅
Its funny, I remember Sealed Ahamkara Grasps fondly for one very specific reason: it helped me always take out my dog in the Pleasure Gardens when I raided with my friends. Merciless or an auto shotty with the grasps cut down my downtime significantly and would lead to me being able to run over and help my friend finish theirs off. We weren't very good, which is why we struggled at something as easy in hindsight as dogs, but getting raid gear was so exciting for us when a lot of us could barely get together as is and had really bad anxiety when trying to raid with other people.
As far as Khepri's Sting, I had a friend who swore by it for trials. Never could understand why, back when flawless execution was just... rampant.
Your trials friend might just have watched a lot of CammyCakes
@@YuriG03042 Yknow, I think you might be right. A lot of my friend group swore by his insights for PvP lol
@@Saphtism I love cammy but he acts like a lot of things are tools lower skill players can take advantage of, when in reality they’re really damn hard to use effectively
I remember using it to reload Borealis whilst keeping Ionic Return in the Verdant Forest
Don’t mean to correct you but Void Weaken makes targets receive 15% more damage and Felwinter’s weaken makes targets receive 30% more damage. It also applies suppression to combatants, which means it synergies really well with Collective Obligation, and works with weapons that have the Repulser Brace perk. I regularly use that helmet in Master Lost Sectors and GMs.
"UHM AKSHEWALLY" 🤓
Sealed ahamkara actually got "buffed" with the release of glaives, in my opinion. Glaive melee procs the weapon to reload your glaive, so it actually gives low- to mid-tier combat a decent flow. Fun, but not overly strong by any means.
Hunter is my alt. Played Destiny off and on forcing myself to only play one character. Anyways, I was playing on my Hunter recently and got these bad boys to drop. Equipped a glaive right away. Fun as hell. Lol
Best way I see Kehpri's Sting to be improved to:
1) Increase the smoke damage 2)Weaken effects last longer
3) Have Trapper's Ambush count as melee damage so it gets the damage buff from Kehpri's too
Khepri's probably lost the hardest from the removal of Heart of Pack and Combat Provision and it not fully continuing on to Void 3.0 Hunter.
It wasn't some big hyper meta pick but the "on demand wall hacks" builds on Bottom Nightstalker with Khepri's honestly wasn't bad to play the subclass as a pure information loop for your teammates where you had the loop for grenade +smoke energy and Heart of Pack's stat injection allowed you to shift stat points to Strength to have good up times.
It's a shame because it truly felt like a niche enough thing you had to really lean in with the use of an exotic to get that payout of the wallhacks on a good frequency with no kill in the mix.
Also good god if you wanted to just wombo people, a grenade with mid tree void's Corrosive bomb with Khepri's on was a great way for people to call hacks with just how powerful the damage of that smoke was.
Just make Kehpri's Sting back to its D1 version I'd say
It was actually very good in crucible before void 3.0 when we had the instant use long lasting smoke bomb to see people through walls
Void 3.0 nerfed Khepris
Imo it should be changed to "gives truesight for a short time after going invisible. Enhances truesight effects and gain truesight on all marked targets"
Thinking about what Datto said in regards to Khepri's Sting, I actually find myself wanting an ornament for Starfire Protocol - since I've actually been using it after Solar 3.0. It feels like a sorta plain-looking exotic these days.
I have wanted an ornament for them for like, two years. They were insanely good on the original Well of Radiance, giving you the option of double Fusions that you could channel into double Heal grenades.
Starfire is so good but so ugly. Like, blue tier armor ugly.
same goes for me with Contraverse holds. its one of the best and most used warlock exotics but it still has no ornament while ophidian aspects got 3 or 4 ornaments. It just looks ugly man you can barely combine it with futuristic armour like the DSC armour.
Yeah i kinda specced into the nadespam using that, but really tempted to go back to phoenix protocol bc it looks better (and i generally dont give a F about how my char looks)
@@Kenji-117 that’s less of an ornament issue and more of a shader issue. Contraverse is like Eternal Warrior: it hates shaders
Assassin's Cowl and Frostees are pretty rough too.
after the subclasses i really hope bungie does a rebalancing season just dedicated to buffing/fixing bad things in the game, there are an insane amount of exotics but everyone only really uses like 1 or 2 per class which sucks because some of them are so cool but there just not good compared to what we have now
They did say that the last season before next dlc the abilities team will go dark for a bit. Maybe we get exotic overhauls then while abilities are left to chill and settle?
@@torunsmok5890 Unless by going dark they mean they'll work on stasis as it's now a bit outdated due to lacking positive status effects like the light subclasses
@@AxisChurchDevotee I think abilities need to be relooked at in general. With as useless as stasis is in the current sandbox it really needs to be adjusted, but that’s just three subclasses. Still have nine more after that
@@CMTechnica Plus 3 more likely to come in lightfall. Stasis definitely needs abit of a revamp at some point
@@AxisChurchDevotee Would be cool as hell to see Stasis with a new super, positive buffs and new melees, but that sounds like a lot of work. I do think they meant they're just gonna stop after arc 3.0 and pick up abilities later, but I hope I'm wrong.
It’d be great if Vesper was like a mini landfall and allowed you to pop the rift from the air with the lightning effect.
I use mask of the quiet one on my 100 resil titan in pvp and with other ability regen and i like it. I know this was more a pve styled video, but the heal upon kill while crit and the take damage helps a lot
When I first started, I used to almost exclusively use Vesper of Radius, and I always thought it was fun to use in low-mid tier content, with bottom tree stormcaller. I had a lot of fun constantly diving into groups of ads and running around with a constant arc soul. Vesper will always hold a special space in my vault and in my heart
THANK YOU Datto for acknowledging Khepri's being completely trashed with the Void 3.0 changes. I went Flawless for the 1st time in D2 with Khepri's for these simple advantages:
-Corrosive Smoke used to deal ALOT of damage like 100hp base, then Khepri's increases that by 150%!!!! Which was enough to instakill on smokebomb stick or pops automatically on melee for an instakill. Winning most melee fights(including ones where the opponent heals since the poison ticks). And even if they survive, they are blinded and slowed. REALLY STRONG for cleanups.
-After pop on melee instakills, you could look around freely with 3 seconds of Truesight(since the first 2 seconds you are securing the kill) to find the next target.
-Stepping in the corrosive smoke dealt about half their HP, so people unexpecting of it would push and get slowed, blinded and half health.
-Wall hacks provided about 5 seconds prenerf. Enough to make efficient call outs and REALLY good with Spectral Blade.
-Speaking of Spectral Blade, if you had a smoke charge when swiping in the super, it ALSO pops the smoke. Aiding in securing super kills when Spectral wiffs(which is still does a lot).
-The stylish executioner benefits were also mentioned in the video, although had a lot of buildup. Mostly used in parity with the melee abilities.
-One other cool note was at about half its active lifespan, you could gain Truesight from being in ANYONE'S smoke, teammates and enemies alike. Really fun when they think you're blinded.
-REALLY EXCELLED in sniping and prefiring nade launchers. So many times people would hide and heal while I popped the smoke and launched a nade down their hiddy hole. At the lane breakoff in Elimination, I would pop a smoke and prefire shots before they even saw me off the split. I could also divert away from lanes safely if too much heat was coming.
-So much information can be used to win games that is now completely wasted.
In current form you cant even really use the divebomb to get truesight because the shit animation takes 1.5 seconds off the ability's 3 second timer, you have to shoot the smokebomb now since corrosive was REMOVED, if there is an enemy above you, your Truesight runs out by the time you look above to gain clarity on their position. The pop on melee is also trashed because even though the smoke deals the increased damage you lose the ability to look around on kill like before because it will have about 1 second left. Also the normal smokebomb doesnt do enough damage to instakill even on pop. Massacred my baby.
Such a rogue meta choice that I have like 5 Masterworked that are useless until Bungie does their job in fixing what they broke.
As a fellow Khepris user, it’s still really strong, just not strong enough to 1 hit stab or 2 hit smoke, I also used it on Spectrals so I understand the disappointment from the new smoke bomb, however I always used it with Rat King and I still do. Throwing a powerful smoke and then cleaning up the kill with Rat King (while having Stylish Execution) will make you invis, give you true sight and while you are reloading Rat King you can look around for the next target while healing back to full from the catalyst. You just gotta know how to use it effectively imo
I personally think felwinter’s helm is pretty underrated especially when paired with reactive pulse and invis finisher on void
I rock this in solo nightfalls and works wonders
Yeah it's there if you want to play a stealth Warlock, but it just feels weird to do that while not on a Hunter.
I think the saddest exotic that got nerfed as soon as it came out has been oathkeeper exotic for hunter. It had way more text which bows charged faster. They removed that cause it didn't work on release. Would be nice if they eventually fix it.
Considering they did the exact same thing with Calibans hand this season (instead of fixing the exotic, they just changed the text) yeah no not likely
@@wood5596 yeah they removed ignition from it, unless you kill things with it
@@Cosminmi11 no, they changed the description to match what it was/is doing.
@@Cry42 it feels like they would rather just not bother making it work as the text initially intended and just leaving it as is
@@wood5596 calibans hand is super strong by far my favorite exotic for my solar build
Nighthawk has also been hard powercrept, its now not even the best exotic for GG damage let alone overall damage
Yeah it’s pretty crazy that nighthawk of all things was powercrept. Now blade barrage is literally always better, or star eaters, or thunder crash, etc.
I think they have to look at Golden gun as a whole because as of right now it is never worth using over blade barrage except in pvp
I deadass use GG for... add clear
I can delete a huge number of enemies very quickly by using outlaw GG and that one ember that makes every kill ignite just to get the old refund on kill functionality
I really enjoyed using sealed ahamkara grasps on Taniks when deep stone first came out, I would use it with cloudstrike and I was able to dump all ammo very quickly
Cloudstrike. Seems so long ago! I haven't used it in ages.
@@chipsawdust5816 still use it in pve pretty often, and in pvp i use it a lot, just needs a catalyst to give it that last piece of edge imo and maybe a little buff
maybe something like its lightnings stack up in damage each time they hit the same target?
@@buckcherryy Thunderlord at long range!
Love the list but I will say I main Felwinter’s Helm on my Warlock for most content. Haven’t tried it in GM’s much though. The ability to weaken enemies has always been a great to me, especially with ranged melees. Hoping Arc 3.0 helps it a lot more
In gms it's a great exotic to get yoy out of sticky situations, but will get you killed if you try to actively use it offensively
It’s a sick looking one to
I liked to use sealed gasps back before beyond light, then I got impetus. Plus the grasps always looked nice to me atleast and you could have a nice solid shader grouping like Dawning Hope or many of the Black Armoury shaders to name some.
I actually wanted to make a melee build with Felwinters on Solar this season. I think if they gave it the ability to add Overload to powered melees, it would be top tier.
Nah, we already have a warlock overload exotic (and it's much better at it anyway), it should be unstoppable or barrier-piercing
Unstoppable would make much more sense, especially considering that unstoppable enemies run you down which is perfect for your empowered melee since they’ll get in range for it
Sanguine Alchemy is another infamous one that got replaced by Boots of the Assembler at least if you're doing group activities.
The way I'd buff Sanguine Alchemy is:
1. Kills in a Rift not only pause the rift time but also expands the size of the Rift (up to +10 meters).
2. Kills increase the Rift's effect (2x faster healing/overshield or higher empower damage from 20% to 30%).
3. The Rift's effect lingers after leaving the Rift based on how many kills the Sanguine Alchemy user got (5 seconds at base up to 15 seconds).
These buffs will let Sanguine Alchemy make mini Well of Radiance if you can secure enough kills to power them up that far and unlike Boots of the Assembler, you actually have to EARN the power ups and Rift timer freezing.
Sanguine Alchemy is completely pointless, I agree. an easier buff than all this would be to just make it launch both heal and empower rift together. and extend the timer on kills but you don't get back rift energy while the blood buff is active. It would at least make more sense. OR not timer changes but you get back rift energy on kills.
@@SorqO
I think my buff is better honestly and it makes far more sense. You're getting kills to fuel and enhance the power of your selected Rift through Blood Magic, Sanguine Alchemy's exotic perk.
What you recommend is literally an equally as bad exotic known as Prometheus Spurs. So you made Prometheus Spurs 2.0 but worse because Spurs gives Rift energy back on solar kills whilst still able to recharge your Rift naturally.
@@godknightomega Promethium Spurs would be so much better if that last part of the ability dropped the rift on you and not on target, the rest of that exotic actually kinda fun.
@@PhoenicopterusR
I agree completely!
It's basically a worse Sun Spot as it is right now.
You need to get in a Rift, get solar kills in the Rift (if you're the only Warlock on your team this is worse) then hope you get a final kill after you've completely recharged your Rift to spawn the combo Rift at the spot where the enemy died.
Not worth the hassle.
Sanguine needs to work with well for it to be good. End of discussion.
I recently have been using severance enclosure and with throwing hammers and with it I can proc roaring flames, radiant, healing, and create a sunspot. Now it also wipes out trash mobs and also sends ones who survive (excluding champions and larger bosses/enemies) in the air getting them to stop attacking. I’m surprised I haven’t seen more people using it as it’s a solid exotic and it fits well in many fashions and you can have near infinite explosions as long as you don’t miss your hammer
Vesper of radius has been working well enough in my void build to allow me to launch tons of void buddies around the place. The regen from the exotic combined with how the aspect works means I can even get the ability back quick enough to have multiple on the field. Wish it also meshed well with the phoenix dive for solar though.
I’m glad you gave vesper a shot! With frost pulse is so fun for me, as the freeze mitigates the vesper pulse delay giving enemies the chance to melee you before it activates. I run it with agers and iceflare bolts to aggressively keep firing and freeze enemies to jump in the middle of to get my rift back. Throw in a little dynamo action and you’re laughing
I would love to see mask of the quiet one become a berserker style exotic, where you gain increased damage at the cost of recovery and being constantly in critical health. Not very useful in endgame stuff but sounds fun lol.
Considering I played Krieg in Borderlands 2 where you lit yourself on fire for more damage, I would LOVE that
pair it with Riskrunner like I did lol ua-cam.com/video/H7cvZMmu_s0/v-deo.html
That could combo well whit that void defense mod that got super nerfed (i forgot its name I believe it was armor of light or smt like that).
@@reynauldwhistles2338 protective light, and the elemental well version of it gives the same damage reduction value protective light used to give
I think Khepri's Horn would've been soo good this season if the fire burst would proc solar abilites. Imagine casting a barricade (having classy restoration on) burn some enemies then proc sol invictus and roaring flames. Also maybe if the fire burst was radial it would've been slightly better.
Definitely. Idk why they nerfed it this season. Idk about roaring flames, but it used to create sunspots from kills with it, now it just does nothing, but regular damage
It used to create sunspots before solar 3.0, now it does not
honestly khepris horn is still really strong if you build around it but i am upset that bungie basically just forgot about it with solar 3.0 and even removed its solar functionality
@@bintavi7034 Ikrr Imagine an exotic that LITERALLY MAKES YOU SHOOT FIRE which doesn't interact with your solar class abilities ?!?!
@@ComicallyLargeSpoon25 it also uses an ability to do that fr
Funny thing about Khepri’s Sting, they were actually useful in D1, since it gave you 6x Melee damage on backstabs which would turn you invisible and poison enemies while you use any subclass…
It’s safe to say that Khepri’s got Nighthawked by BUNGiE, given that helmet also did 6x damage.
The stab didn't make you invisible, that was an arc subclass tree perk. With Khepri's you could crouch for a second and then you would turn invisible. It was great on every subclass.
@@Aaron-ww3ov i haven’t played D1 years, I forgot arcblade had a perk like that.
I used to use it pre void 3.0 in pvp. It doesn't work the same anymore since you have to shoot the smoke bomb to get the truesight so its very boring.
I think felwinter is good in certain situations but it definitely could use a nice buff to push it up maybe add an effect that makes it to where weakened or void debuffed targets killed grant ability energy
Having used Mask of the Quiet One very consistently since launch, I think you're underselling it a bit. It's definitely been power-crept, but I don't think it's as boring as you think. It's a bit subtle compared to other exotics, but it encourages a very fun "unstoppable juggernaut" playstyle by rewarding you for taking hits and getting kills. It needs some sauce, to be sure, but not much. I think pivoting it to being, like, a Void Lorelei's would be neat. Have it consume Class energy to grant a Void Overshield on critical health, maybe have the Heal On Kill be an all-the-time thing, something like that.
I love using this Helm as a Void Lorelei as well I feel people don't really give it credit especially when they buffed resilience I feel it's really good especially combo-ing it with Void subclass the weaken grenades and offensive bulwark aspect really shines with this helmet IMO you can literally chain your barricade give yourself/teammates an overshield and then weaken targets for your team and get energy for a grenade back I love it!!!
Or you can equip loreley for the same thing, but 50 times better. Last I checked, mask of the quiet one did next to nothing. If you want another alternative for other subclasses, I strongly recommend precious scars, it's really good.
Heal on kill always would be nice. It just gives like 20 hp but it's on any kill.
@@benstanfill363 that's already what precious scars does
@@matt6231 if it matches your subclass. This could be for any class.
Great video! would love to see Datto's opinion on the seasonal model. or just anyones opinion on it really. I cant be the only one that gets tired of the same 3 step model for seasons.. we get a new "Seasonal Activity" thats nearly identical to the one that came before, with the ol' weekly quest and a copy paste HELM to upgrade every single season. would love to see seasons make changes to the core gameplay to make things feel fresh again outside of expansions...
I appreciate when Datto make videos outside of the norm even if they dont always do the best number wise
one thing you mentioned that i would like to bring to light. when you’re talking about loreley you do not need the sol invictus aspect to spawn the sunspot when critically wounded
tbh I think datto is undervaluing khepris in pvp. The main benefit isn’t the true sight, but the increased smoke bomb damage. With khepris you can easily one shot guardians with your wombo combo, which you can combine with trappers ambush to get guaranteed true sight after a wombo combo kill
As someone who uses Mask of the Quiet One religiously, I can see where you are coming from. Definitely power crept super hard (Cough Loreley’s cough). But I do find it pairs really well with any sort of healing/over shield abilities (Void 3.0 or Solar bonk restoration) to really maximize on the recharge when damaged. That’s the part that really makes it a menace. It’s very nice to be able to use your charged melee or your grenade and barricade with practically no cooldown. The healing doesn’t do much for end game, I’ll concede, since you do get one to two shot. But even then, if you get some sort of sustain, I really think Mask shines in its own beautiful way. Is Loreley’s better? Absolutely. Is Mask completely unviable? I honestly think it’s really slept on. Plus it looks so cool. One of the most unique looking exotics that people recognize, even if it isn’t used widely.
Heart of Inmost light does what this Mask does but way better, way safer, makes your abilities stronger AND can be used in all subclasses. 🥲
I've loved Mask for a long time too. It felt good to me to be rewarded by playing a little more aggressively/risky, getting ability energy from damage. A cool concept and a really cool looking exotic with a cool lore page lol
@@Guile_The_Exile
Mask can be used with any subclass…
Inmost light is really good for normal content, but Mask is elite in end game content.
Not only are you constantly getting ability regeneration for taking any type of damage (including splash damage)… you get your health back when getting a kill while critically wounded.
I’ll take the ability regeneration AND the health regeneration in end game content… especially when you cannot avoid damage in end game content.
You’re going to get hit… a lot.
@@deezosaintloyal mask of the Quiet one is absolute absolute ass it's worse than heart of animals like in every conceivable way you get a Measley 5% Ability region every time you are hit this this ability region is also on a cooldown of about 1 to 2 seconds after getting hit While heart of Innermost light is a 400% - 800% boost to melee and grenade recharge rate and a 150% - 300% recharge rate boost to class ability not only that but it also gives a 10% - 20% boost to melee ability damage and a 20% - 35% boost to grenade ability damage with void solar and stasis all having ways to get hp form abilities heart of Innermost light is so much better in all content compared to mask of the Quiet one ever before hoil was added mask was lackluster to say the least and hasn't been charged since
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Well I haven’t been able to get heart of animals, so I wouldn’t know.
when i was playing a lot during the advent of stasis, i ran fellwinters with the stasis subclass and montecarlo and had fun farming lost sectors when aplicable
mask of quiet one was really good when it got the original buff that made it a none void subclass exclusive (because it was on release) and the heal regen was actually a near full heal, now heart of innermost light does it's job to a much better degree
I feel like khepri’s sting could become relevant again just by changing it back to what it was in D1, or something similar. Like massively increased melee damage while invisible & even more of an increase if you melee a target from behind while invisible (and slightly after coming out of invisibility so it could work with one two punch)
Khepri’s going back to their D1 self and Sealed Ahamkara to theirs (simple yet good: you get an extra melee charge) would instantly see many wanting to try them again, and would at *least* gain niche uses in aggressive melee-centric builds
Just saying: if Blink Strike kinda-sorta comes back in Arc 3.0, whether via a rework/improvement to Combination Blow that makes it resemble Blink Strike, or just the actual thing comes back as a melee option, both of these will be used, I miss hyper-offense in D1 with these Exotics (would also help Sealed Ahamkara if they gave back Nightstalker a damage smoke melee option)
That would be cool, we have Titans that can kill bosses with with 2 punches so hunter being able to have big punches would be cool
@@dolfuny invis hunter build going around one shotting... sounds sick!
I actually have a Vesper of Radius build that is very fun. If you pair it with the stasis aspect that freezes enemies when casting rift, the other stasis aspect that chains freezing to enemies, and the fragment that regens class ability when defeating frozen targets- you can literally kill everything without doing anything but casting rift. Its not the most effective build- but its a lot of fun - I ran it a lot during legend campaign and its just kinda cool.
Interesting about Vesper. I was under the same impression as you - that it did almost negligible damage - so I might try it out again, or consider making a prototype build for Arc 3.0.
The arc pulse from vesper scales really well with gambit enemies. Gambit damage scalers with these exotics is really funky
Datto has literally been putting out quality content for almost a decade it’s incredible. Love seeing talk about power creep as MnK users on PC have literally no recoil.
One line to make Felwinter's Helm amazing: Final blows against weakened targets spreads weakness to those effected by the powered melee explosion.
Boom. Melee Ostio Striga! 😆
> Melee Osteo Striga
That... that's literally Necrotic Grips
Please that would be amazing
Ever since Bungie announced their plan for the subclass revamps I've been wondering what's going to come in the season this year. For a while now I've been hoping they take some time to look back at old content, exotics and weapons. I hope Bungie tries to reevaluate where this stuff, that we haven't used or visted for years, stands. Thanks for the great video Datto, hope to see more like it.
the last time i remember people talking about sealed grasps was when bungie removed auto reloading rifts and barricades and you could use these to temporarily auto reload with the tick damage when paired with mid tree solar
If I were to rework Felwinter's Helm, I would like to see something like melee kills and finishers build stacks of a buff. This buff applies to your next powered melee attack, applying a modest AoE weakness effect. The stack amount could dictate the length of the weakness. Something like 2/3/5/7/10 seconds to incentivize building up stacks.
Felwinters doesn’t need a rework it’s strong af
I think felwinter’s helm is really good in solo content, so I disagree with your pick here. It’s purpose/niche has not really been replaced by the void debuff, and divinity won’t be used in solo content. So therefore, I don’t think it has been power crept just yet.
I agree fellwinters helm is crazy strong even in team play i use it in duality all the time
Your bias is clouding your judgement Warlock... The new frags/aspects negate the use of the exotic and free up your exotic armor slot for something more useful overall. Yes, even in solo.
@@sayarimamani3605 And you haven't explored your void aspects/frags enough it seems... 🧐🤔
The void fragment where you give a void debuff for hitting something with a nade hurts this helmets viability I would rather use something else wish it was better though.
@@Guile_The_Exile no, cuz felwinter’s also blinds enemies. This makes encounters like the first in prophecy extremely easy solo. You got a boss debuff and all the enemies are blind. Nothing in void does this. Also I don’t have a “bias” for felwinters I’ve only used it a few times
Felwinter's has been stuck on my warlock for as long as I've had it. Its definitely situational, but it's saved my life more times then I can count. Also it looks badass and is based on one of my favorite characters in lore
For kephris, I'd give it a subclass based effect. Without using up charged melee; weakness on melee with void, scorch or radiant on solar, area blind on arc, and slow on stasis
It's datto time!!
Heck yeah!
Felwinters helm is sill good for certain solo challenges, specifically one phasing solo dungeon bosses. Other ones r garbage lmao . Also I mean that’s super niche, as I feel you stated. As someone who uses Felwinters a ton, it makes sense to be here
Id honestly put eye of another world here bc it’s just a better mask of the quiet one but it isn’t that important :D also frost pulse + vesper is still fun as you stated. Otherwise, great video!
Eye of another world is actually good tho. Flat out faster than max stat cooldown on EVERYTHING for free. Mask of the quiet one is only when severely injured and BARELY works, eye is always on and works really well.
@@torunsmok5890 Why would u use eye over Contraverse / Osmeomancy / STARFIRE / mf Crown
Bc crown needs a kill? 2 ability kills before you get them back aint unrealistic 30 power under and also build crafting exists
eye of another world's best use was giving you more stasis turrets then osmiomancy was like "nah"
@@dankerbell exactly
I don't remember when it happened, but as a big fan of vesper, I was very sad to see it not only lose its Shockwave proc on the actual cast when your hand touched down but the armor also had a rainbow color effect pulse through the trim of the armor. Really should at a minimum be given the bombardiers treatment. Maybe even an unstoppable champ mod.
i rocked the vesper frostpulse build for a while until i switched to battle harmony and agers, but that time was pretty fun. plus, the ornaments for it are neat
The Vesper/Frostpulse combo was actually useful when statis first came out in Trials, could kill people through a wall
I feel super called out. I’ve been using Sealed Grasps since stasis launched. I had an obscene roll when I found them and saved them in case some change came along. The double melee reload for boss damage in addition to dodge was super fun with rockets or GL
It was fun trying to figure out what was accidentally ringing the bells in "Duality" when splash damage could ring them (I was using Vesper and forgot).
About vesper of radius, my friend has found a build to use that with aegers scepter, and stasis. If you build right you can make freezing rifts that give crystals that charge your super, while also using agers that charges your super while you use it.
Mantle of battle harmony also charges super with less effort and buffs weapon damage
These were not made irrelevant by power creep, they're just bad exotics that were never relevant lol
WOAH!!! Datto you forgot something HUGE! Vesper of radius actually has an extremely important use case: charging chaos reach for duo DSC Security. I mean come on, how can you forget something so obvious and prominently done in the destiny community. And that’s not all. It is also used for: you guessed it… Solo DSC security. Datto is cancelled, his guide is entirely wrong, never listen to him again.
Felwinters helm and Monte Carlo is a great combo. The auto rifle gives melee energy and makes them stronger and the helm spreads it out and void is a projectile melee so you can spam void blasts. You can get your melee back every few seconds in target rich environments and scorch the surface with void energy.
I was messing around with Khepri's Horn in Iron Banner last week, it was a ton of fun
Very true I really wish bungie would go back and help these exotics instead of just making new ones further pushing them down in usage
For felwinter’s helm (which I can see why it works well with the lie), isn’t so much as not being good enough. You just can’t use it as lazily.
The Quiet one is not much different that other passive exotics, like I’m looking at all the ones surrounding grenades, but it’s titan ver of the hunter’s frostees. And can be used like an insurance when not using Solar. lorely’s is becoming more and more a crutch and or a requirement.
Sealed A grasps, thats a frequent use for me especially with slow to reload weapons or shotguns with dual loader. Are there alternatives yes. Will I ever have graverobber on a gun? No.
k.sting, I never used it as I never really inclined to use the wall hack it has or ever invested into them as it never suited my playstyle.
Overall your video, your video is less “these things are near useless” and more like “we have other things now to do the thing.”
Like we have a fragment that extend void effect durations, doesn’t mean things like graviton is obsolete among others.
Plus most of the exotics you listed can stack with what you’re saying has replaced them in terms of the 3.0 light classes and stasis aspects and fragments, like great just need to destroy a current build to put on or change the subclass entirely
It’s the difference of using a LFR/sleeper vs Ghorn, the former requires precision shots, Ghorn you can just ads .2 sec and shoot off two rounds and forget (even at that you can hipfire to do way more damage with little investment). Same can be said about last word for a time and recently dmt pre nerf. Everyone loved using dmt cause of the lazy use hipfire, GLs were meta till bungie took away its oneshot group kill potential in pvp (more so when they nerfed MT top…) now with both GLs and DMT people have to invest a Little bit more.
as much things change, so much stays the same. Cue LFG groups demanding specific exotics “need solar titan with lorally’s” “need G-Horn/kick” when they aren’t Actually needed for success, do they make it easier yes, are things impossible without them? No. This more in the vein of Not power creep but more a Meta creep.
I like how your rocket missed the tank at 12:18 - makes me feel better about some of my rocket efforts. :)
I really adore Felwinter’s. It’s my nearly universal exotic outside of stasis. I’ve barely taken it off since it was introduced to the game. But I’ve noticed since the solar and void changes it feels even more difficult to proc the powered melee kills on void in particular. It feels so weak to be honest. I enjoy the play style that Felwinter’s provides, and it’s served me well in solo content. But the helm needs some help to reach its full potential.
As a titan that has used and will continue to use Quiet One, i will still use it mainly because it's become a part of my identity as a guardian, is quite useful with my playstyle, and just generally looks great. I've been wearing it ever since red war and i've only switched off it when necessary for say, boss DPS to switch over to thundercrash. I honestly don't give a good god shit about what the Meta is, since i mainly just play for fun rather than playing to win. If it and all the other exotics here get a buff to help improve them for the current state of the game, great, but even now, i'm quite satisfied with the state Quiet One is in, at least for my purpouses.
My favorite solar warlock build is felwinter's and heat rising. With other mods you jump before you finger snap, get half or all of your melee back, blind and weaken anything that didn't die. Super fun and actually kinda good for ad clear
Vesper was amazing for keeping the sheilded vex away from the confluxes during garden of salvation. You don't do damage but you still knock them back quite far so you can play keep away or move them into spawning platforms
I use a felwinters helm build with the well mod for two wells on finishers on void lock. Spawns 4 wells per finisher, finishers turn me invis, and extend devour. Constant abilities because of wells literally everywhere and everything I fight is either weakened from felwinter, weakened from child, suppressed from grenade, or blinded by a gl. I think it's pretty good.
To add onto the Khepri's Sting thing: Part of what lead to it being power crept out is the removal of poison smoke bombs, which it seems like it would have worked well in combination thanks to giving a damage buff. I can certainly see it having some place in a niche build if poison smokes were still a thing lol
I have always kept and used Sealed Ahamkara Grasps, I love the simplicity of it and most importantly for me, the look of it.
I love vesper of radius, it got me through my first solo flawless run of the presage mission last year
Ngl if you combine to vesper of radius with the stasis ability, they actually combo where the freeze is cast immediatly but the arc wave shoots when the well is fully out. So you can use well as an offensive tool in low level content where the button freezes, then shatters, and even better if you have the warlock ability that has the tracking ice things. I used to use this quite a bit and if was really fun
Vesper of Radiance should put out damage type based on your subclass w/effects. Scorch for solar, suppression for void, whatever for arc, and additional slow to stasis with a shockwave. Stasis effect would double down on the aspect or just mirror it allowing you to run with a third aspect essentially.
Great video Datto! Just wanted to point out that you dont need Sol Invictus for Loreley to proc
Also, when they removed flawless execution, they also removed the truesight chain that kepris was able to help start. Used to main them with a sniper in trials, but haven't touched them since void 3.0
I definitely agree that Felwinters lost its spot since subclass updates. I use to use it with bottom tree dawn when the burn effect caused the exotic perk to activate. Even on grandes. However, once I got necrotic grips, they replaced felwinters even back then since they activated in the same manner. Plus it paired with thorn so it had even more buildcrafting involved.
A good adjustment to help felwinters would be if the powered melee doesn’t get a kill, then it weakens only the target hit this would make it usable on big adds, but it would still give a burst of weakening if it kills a target
i’m not gonna lie, i would 100% love a long video about you just goin on forever about exotics. both armor & weapons & how to buff/change them
I remember when felwinters helm came out, used it for lost sectors that season, then went into my vault. Vesper radius has a good stasis build with the stasis trace rifle, but, unless your goal is to just kill easy ads, is worthless
For Kephri's Sting, how about if you melee kill something while invis, you extend your invis timer
I like Fellwinters, but totally get it, I pretty much run healing finishers on my bond so chaining finishers and weaken/stuns is something you can do at the cost of super... but on kill effects haven't been particularly enticing for some time now and it was part of the trio of finisher based exotics to hype that system at launch so let's lean into that...
An option is to put some level of survivability into Fell's, grant player some damage reduction while an enemy below half health is near (or the dream would be within line of sight).
Another option could be to allow a player to finish an enemy from a higher percentage of health, or if they are below half health, still allow a un/powered melee to apply weaken - Could be less potent weaken if done that way, but I see this exotic's main competition as Necrotic Grips or the Stag (outside of void debuffs). Grips are just a generalist melee perk that don't even need a kill to be effective and spread their damage when executed well, while the Stag lets you tank and arguably perform chains of finishers better due to it's multiple survival perks. I don't want to say it should have more range as well but... it could use more range.
I used to use the mask of the quiet one all the time, now with solar 3.0 I've actually stepped into a dedicated build but sometimes I still use it especially when I swap over to arc. With riskrunner or trinity ghoul, but mainly riskrunner, if you're just absolutely annihilating shit you will live forever and have amazing mob clear. With the new arc 3.0 with everything that entails for arc weapons it just makes the duo so much more powerful.
Vesper of Radius + Frostpulse is an emergency nuke added onto your survivability tool. It's an amazing synergy for general Stasis play.
khepri's sting could have an exotic perk like the titan and warlock exotics that do stuff when you attack with your powered melee or finish a target. That would be pretty neat I think.
There's a really fun build of Felwinters combined with Void Invisibility (and high resilience + resist mods) for extra up close protection. I use it a lot in most pve content other than GM's and it works extremely nicely
Would like to give a mention to the Mk. 44 stand asides - stasis Titan's melee not being a "shoulder charge" combined with the stand asides overshield actively erasing any void overshield (where literally having that overshield and doing the melee matters) breaks the exotic in 50% of use cases at minimum. Also would like to mention nothing outside of stylish acknowledging bombardiers suppression as an actual suppression (echo of domineering for example).
I love to see some synergy between Kephri's and the le monarque akin to Osteo & the necrotic grips. I think that would be cool to see now that le monarque has intrinsic overload, they could do something like triggering an overload or simply staggering a champion triggers a burst of poison or maybe weakens the target and surrounding enemies.
An exotic built specifically around champions seems a bit too niche imo, the general poison direction however seems promising, especially considering the "poison" subclass leak
For Khepri's Sting, they could just make it do what it did back in D1, a boatload of melee damage when striking a target's backside
Vesper can work with Phoenix Dive however it doesn't have the arc shockwave. It would be super fun to constantly Dive with that thing doing scorch and shock damage.
vesper with stasis rift has been my most favourite build ever, with the right fragments i could get my super in less than 20 seconds
The Mask of The Quite One, is one of my favorite titan exotic, but I think it needs a rework or something.
FWH is one of my favorite exotics ever, its let me build craft towards a buff and de-buffing machine that lets people regen their abilities due to well arc wells on finishers. These wells can be used for a variety of things in solo play, such as making your melee stronger, or simply for the ability regen. Normally I use the reactive pulse for the permanent bulwark, a single melee resistance and the seasonal elemental resistance. To tank through things, the new void aspect has let this build peak but I still find it fun with all the classes, excluding stasis. The helmet could see a change but they shouldn’t touch the finisher nor the 30% weakness it applies, a change to give the finisher melee regen or a change that gives melee regen per every enemy you kill that has weakness, so it can have a more satisfactory gameplay loop.
I like to toss on Striking light too, the damage resist while sprinting paired with the buffed Resilience has been a real help for getting in close on finishers.
I think Fellwinter helm as a very specific niche use: It can make ignitions from incinerator snap hit 30% harder to surrounding combatants.