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Welcome back to the latest Destiny 2 lore episode. In today’s Destiny 2 lore episode we are discussing Eris Morn and her entire backstory! This should help you get prepared for Shadowkeep!
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Sorry, I have been sick a lot this year. My nose is blocked again! Hope you still enjoy. Had a lot of fun with this theory.
i thought uldren got corrupted by riven, so it could be that uldren had the seed in him since going into the black garden, it's just riven made the seed bloom to then become fully corrupted?
An idea, what if the awoke are the eldrich race?? And are we corrupted? We’ve been to the black garden, and now we’ve sided with the drifter, who says use the darkness. And a gardener grows and weeds, plants and uproots. I think the traveler and the darkness are codependent. Uplifting life and braking down life in a endless cycle. Just a thought. I can see the seed of knowledge was in this video. Good job Myelin games.
Are you planning on doing recap videos on other d1 stuff?
as a youtuber a flu jab is always a good investment
@@zacwicht3189 i even had the flu jab! I hate getting sick
This is just another angle to the Garden Progeny I flavor text, what if the two siblings aren’t referring to Mara and Uldren but the Light and Darkness. It would explain the reflections bit (Ulan Tan’s Symmetry). The “path long seen but never known” would be the cycle of the Traveler gifting civilizations and the Darkness destroying them (the “never known” aspect would be how we have no clue when or where this started or where they came from).
Nick Barron damn nick you get a gold star for this shit
when I first heard it I also thought the same thing, just glad I was alone in thinking that
That was my first thought as well, especially with the mention of the eldritch race. Eldritch tend to be ghostly/dark/unusual/etc (also undying, creatures from another plane of existence/etc), and if it's never been used before to refer to the awoken I feel like it could easily be referring to the traveler and the dark version of the traveler, whatever that may be. I hadn't even thought of that flavor text being about anything but that to be honest.
This is really interesting, especially after shadowkeep ending
Extremely excited to return to the Black Garden, I always wanted to explore it more in D1.
Just hope for more Active, welcoming Fireteams to do this Pre-Raid activity. [says while trailing off]
It's the best place in my opinion
Wait when is it coming back
@@humanbeing1313 in shadowkeep
@@CaptainPilipinas , i always say the cosmodrome for some reason, maybe it's because it's where you start off from beginning of destiny, brings back memories of not knowing what's going to happen at any giving moment, miss the days of destiny year1😔
Has anyone noticed that the dark aura surrounding the reanimated enemies looks like that of the bosses we fight in the black garden?
Well there in the trailer is a portal in the background that I want to believe looks like the black garden portal, I remember hearing that there is multiple black gardens from a scannable on nessus. So I believe the black garden is creating there champions against the guardians (our old fears that we killed) the vex can simulate and possibly with the power of the black garden create those nightmares and bring them back physically in the real world
@@NathanBMedia Atheon, crota etc
From Epistemic in the Aspect lore book:
"[Praedyth] watches the movements of the Vex. He learns to tell them apart: the shining silver ones, the brass ones with backswept horns, the ones with eyes glowing white. Occasionally, scattered among them are pockets of Vex stained with verdigris, their arms trailing shawls of moss. All the other Vex keep away from those ones. Twice, he's seen other Vex fight the mossy ones. It looks like the other Vex are frightened of them, as much as Vex can be."
This is huge! Finally, we got confirmation that not all Vex descended from the garden; not all Vex worship the Darkness. Most Vex disagree and actually *fight* with the Sol Divisive.
I just wanna know if the black garden is good enough to start my strawberry farm
Stop commenting on every single fucking video! God damn dude
Manuelito 2002 what’s wrong with commenting tho?
@@thelonemadladed commenting is racist remember
All about them strawberry fields
Nah man, you should be investing in the blueberry market
Xur did say the traveler has a dark mirror, so this might be the dark mirror.
I think the mirror or darkness equivalent of the traveler are those tetrahedron ships at the end of D2. Think about it. The traveler is a sphere. No vertices. One, infinite face. A tetrahedron is the opposite of this. As few faces and vertices as possible on a 3D shape.
Also, motes of light from D1 are made in the traveler's image as spheres. We know that the "motes" in gambit are motes of dark. What shape are motes of dark? Tetrahedron. Those aren't ships. They're dark traveler's. Agents of the deep. Or at least I'd like to think so.
@@CastrationNation-oz6jq same
@@CastrationNation-oz6jq thats kinda true i mean the taken and the dark are extremely connected.
@Jihadi Jeff Probably corruption that occurred during a battle between the Traveler and Darkness during the Collapse. The main point was to emphasize coexistence of Light and Dark energies, and foreshadow balance being explored in current lore. The main points of the current and upcoming lore have all been planned out since before D2's release. Maybe not written in detail, but the main points and synopsis they plan to explore are.
*+Mexi*
Yes. This. Of course.
Bungie follows the KISS principle to the letter. Something taught to all art students and trained writers (for the lack of a better term since anyone can write well but some go to formal schools for it).
*Keep It Simple, Stupid.*
Can't wait for Uldren to show up and say "Guardian, my man!" after being cleansed.
I think Uldren's corruption has to do with Hatred vs Hope. Darkness would naturally fuel itself off hate. Uldren hated Guardians for killing fallen. For destroying what they do not understand. Uldren was essentially our first glimpse at a Dark Guardian. The dark ether is literally the opposite of normal ether which was made by the traveler so naturally dark/corrupted ether must come from the darkness.
Uldren likely died from the battle above Saturn. He somehow woke up, crashed on Mars, but alive. He likely was accidentally ressurected by Nokris on Mars and since he wasn't a Hive, he wasn't bound to Nokris so he wasn't bound to Mars. He then planned to carry out a mission to find his Sister. He was going to rally the Fallen. He silently returns to the reef only to find Guardians roaming and killing Fallen and not giving a 2nd thought about it.
It's at this point that Uldren's hate overwhelms him. He cannot bear it. These Eliksni, the Fallen that he had a deep respect and care for were being treated like vermin by these self righteous, power hungry, guardians.
His heart swelled with hate and with sorrow. He didn't want to be a guardian or have their power, he just wanted to save this dying Archon Priest that was slowly suffering to death by shots from a golden gun.
And Uldren reached deep in his heart to find the strength to save this Archon. To heal his wounds. To spare his pain.
His eyes always hurt since he woke up from the crash. Now it was unbearable and he wept over the body of the Archon Priest. He begged whatever power was in himself to come forth to heal this creature that lay before him, left to suffer a slow painful death.
And this power answered. It did as he wanted. It healed this Archon. Not just his wounds. But took away his need for ether and filled his lungs with a new, dark and powerful ether.
Much like the shards of the Traveler, the Heart of Darkness was a shard of the Other. The Formless. The Darkness itself.
The gambit armor supports this by describing these formless light supressing creatures on an ice planet/moon.
Oryx when he used to think Sword Logic was the final power/law of the universe, only to realize in defeat that the final power isn't might, it's magic. After all, how can a sword defeat what it cannot cut?
The final shape in the universe is to become shapeless. To become Formless.
Just by being in the Black Garden, the Darkness was planted inside him and cultivated by his hatred for Lightbearers.
But the Traveler cleansed him. Notice when the Shard pulls the darkness out of Uldren, there's a fountain of Light effect that washes over Uldren. It's identical to whenever a ghost first ressurects their Guardian, like we see in the Zavala origin story cutscene.
Which means that the Travel in it's own decision cleansed Uldren.
But as we know from lore tabs and Saavathun's Song strike, to pull the light out of a Guardian kills them. It then is understandable to assume the same applies to pulling the darkness out of someone.
Uldren was not just cleansed, but ressurected in that cutscene. And considering that wasn't his first time dying, since he was ressurected by the dark, by the Light, and then again by his now Ghost.
Uldren may be the first Guardian to have his full memory because he is the first known Guardian to have been resurrected before getting a ghost.
This opens the door to so much lore potential. Not just with Uldren and him potentially being the Traveler's chosen champion and having his memories, but with the Garden as well as the Darkness and the Eldritch race.
If the Garden truly is bait for Guardians, it makes perfect sense that Uldren's dark Guardian-esque power came from the Garden. Which means the Garden wants to be found. It wants to lure potential Dark Guardians for it's army.
@@savagewraith tldr but liked anyway lol
@@savagewraith thank you :)
This aged well
Wow, I never knew cabal were so polite. Or British.
bcfb21 not British but okay.
Space Limeys confirmed.
Haven't you seen their teeth? Of course they are british. Not to mention they roam around through space to conquer other worlds similar to how the british empire once did with their royal fleet.
Just a quick thought: are the shadow-like figures levitating on the moon in the trailers representing all the guardians that died in The Great Disaster?
Probablly and maybe some humans during the collapse...
Literally no one:
Prince Uldren: yO My mAn
I laughed so much bc this reminded me so much of his early design when his name was Crow
@@BlueBerrySherry well hes crow now
Cannot wait to return to the Garden. Definitely one of my favorite places from D1.
I think the "race" mentioned in the prophesy does not refer to species of beings but the flight and chase between the Traveler and the Darkness.
Okay but what does eldritch mean?
@@blackjackell8939 Unearthly, supernatural or eerie; all of which do fit.
@@kakkaohjus well these words would work if explaining the traveler or the darkness so maybe you're right
Or they're just shadow beings like the one we fight in the EAZ.
@@BungieStudios wait what are those, never saw them
This might not amount to anything right now but the word eldritch is also used in the name of an opulence transmat effect. The effect itself has a pillar looking structure that can be seen during the gahlran fight
Hi Myelin!
Edit: Also hi Gamma if you’re here, nice art, looking good as always!
Thanks bud!
@@Gammatrap bungie should hire you !
@@filips2146 Ssshhhhhhhhh they don't know I'm here!
@Gammatrap your art is so amazing!
your "its ok if youre confused" disclaimer is great and as a D1 vet made me laugh lol
Hey Gamma, stop making your art so good!!! I’m subbed to your channel and man I’ve not seen a single bad piece yet!
Just wait, lol I've got plenty of privated videos XD
Phrax the dinklebot was amazing
Man it would’ve been so cool if they explained this a little more directly in game, Ex: A cutscene of Uldren and the crow finding the garden.
Pulled pork had been looking for his guardian for an age - is it perhaps because Uldren was corrupted by the garden that Pulled Pork could not find him?
Or because uldren wasn’t dead
@@anthonysloterdijk3918 how did I not even think of that /facepalm
Or maybe because uldren was supposed to die but became awoken instead, and what if mara knew this all along? :o
@@anthonysloterdijk3918 he died in the crash on Mars. Was ressurected because of the Darkness in him reacting to Nokris who used Eldritch Magic (gifted to the Hive for their service) by accident. Uldren not being Hive therefore was just alive again. Shard of the Traveler cleansed him so that way his ghost could find him.
Uldren will likely still have his memories because Pulled Pork reviving him is technically his 3rd resurrection.
> guardians reach the black heart after slaying a mountain of Vex.
Black heart: Ah... finally you came, little specs of her light... I have waited for you for so long.
>gaurdian shoots black heart.
black heart: ofcourse i did not forget... as always here is my first tribute...
>black heart explodes... and a boss named "first tribute" appear
>fight insues... we defeat it....
>black heart: and so it begans... i hope you enjoyed this tribute... ill bring more...... soon we will be together again, my love.
👀
Please talk more about the black garden and the vex, literally my favorite race to talk about
What if the vex are trying to find a reality where they don't get wiped by the darkness?
Dangelo ROMERO i think that could be a big reason they decided to worship it.
My personal theory is that they are “agents” of the Darkness, and they are looking for an ultimate win scenario for the Darkness, not themselves
They found a reality where they somehow defeated the Traveler and the Darkness. I don't fucking know how they defeated the Darkness, but they did it. That was the Curse of Osiris campaign. It was implied they learned how to see, recognize, and simulate Light in the Infinite Forest future. At least until we destroy that simulation. The DLC was very poorly written but that's the story we got.
@@BungieStudios I believe the answer is life. The light gives new life, the darkness feeds on it. But neither force creates life to begin with. I believe that if all life in existence is wiped out, then both the light and darkness would fade away. It would be nice if this was better explained though.
If you can’t beat it? Join it.
It would be great to see the Black Garden as a patrol destination and a raid location kinda like how the Dreaming City is but perhaps not as grand in size. Hopefully the storyline of Shadowkeep leads us to unlocking that space much like how things occurred in Forsaken!
Well the new raid for shadowkeep is in the black garden but yeah it will be cool if it was a patrol destination.
Lore Sunday is the best. This art really encapsulates what I think of when I think back to playing d1 and the black garden. I love the ghost shaped flowers gamma or are they flowers shaped like ghosts! Either way thank you guys as always.
THIS is why I keep playing Destiny. The ever-unfolding lore is what keeps me interested. I'm excited to return to the Black Garden for sure, but I'm even more excited about the implications made by the fact that we're returning there. Are we finally going to meet Uldren again? Are we gonna catch a better glimpse at what the Darkness really is? Are we ourselves going to start on the path to becoming Dark Guardians? Shadowkeep holds a lot of potential and I'll definitely will be looking to you, Myelin, and Byf as we grow closer to and finally get into Shadowkeep.
My take: Uldren got seeded in the Garden (and Mara had suspicions for his change in personality over time, which is why she didn't let him know of the bank heist plan), Riven just happened to be in said Garden. Riven being Ahamkara, may have somewhat planted that with a seed "wish" into Uldren without him knowing it. Oryx's pulse thing at start of Taken King acted like Fertilizer to the seed in Uldren, and his thoughts clouded up with the way that went, drove him further to the madness/darkness, Riven attached like a signal from a transmitter and took advantage of that growing darkness. Then Forsaken happened. And now he's resurrected clear headed but able to tap into both light and dark. (I also imagine the original Destiny scene before the game was redone that never made it "Why is the City after me?", when he was "Crow" will be reused...)
It's funny how the word Eldritch race/horror are starting to show up more in Lore/Armor things. Also Eldritch Effects is a nice transmat.
So cool! The Black Garden captures my attention like nothing else is the Destiny Universe. I will be so happy if it goes full circle in Shadowkeep.
This theory lore aged extremely well, around 5 years late most of this comes into confirmation
i think the black garden was like Uldren said, a trip wire. should the light grow stong and find it and destroy it, then it would alert the darkness to it.
Wait isn't it rumored that the flowers at the dreaming city were brought from the black garden by Mara Sov?
The art for this episode is so nice!
Thanks! :)
I like how instead of the black garden being the birthplace of the vex as we know them, machines and huge constructs, it was the birthplace of the very beginning of their existence. The birthplace of the pattern that would become the radiolaria fluid that would become the vex
I still like the image of an eternal paracausal garden with rivers of radiolaria, tended by machines, but the current state of the lore isn't a letdown by any means
The Eldritch stuff is the tech the Hive used on Ghalran. It's mentioned on one transmat effect from season 7 as a Hive Capsule.
nobody else gonna say it then I will - that Eldritch transmat effect looks a LOT like the hive thingy they had in D1 in a few places where the Hive were "colonizing", like Old Russia and the Moon... I think the "eldritch" is referring to the ancient, arcane magic the Hive use.
@@dirtyDROID74 That's exactly what I meant, except that's the tech hive use to summon thralls or reinforcements via portals and tombships.
I've long thought of the Vex as survivors of the Ana-Harmony, with their survivors throwing themselves into "pools of silver" as the Hive destroyed their worlds.
I suspect the Garden itself was the Vex's attempt to save their ancestors' culture, but the Darkness corrupted the Garden. Now, instead of a library, the Garden is a warfield of ideas and memes; ideas fighting, evolving, infecting. In the end, the Darkness-fueled arms race will result in ONE idea, the idea of final shapes.
Christian Yaerger and that final idea will be shaped by bullets... lots and lots of bullets
The black garden was always my favorite area in destiny
Just wanted to say that you and byf are one of reasons that I love this game so much. The way that both of you explain the lore is so captivating, it is as though you both are bards to a reality that is part of our true reality. You both are are why I play this game. Thank you.
Finally we're going back to these long left behind loose ends, I can't wait for the symmetry to reveal more of itself.
Eldritch Race interest me. Considering Eldritch means shadowy, ghostly or weird, this could mean so many things. But Shadowkeep seems consistent with eldritch's meaning. And if Shadowkeep indeed leads right into the story of Season of the Undying, then maybe we will definitely see, or at the least get more info on the Eldritch Race. Unless the shadowy ghost beings we see ARE the Eldritch Race? So many questions that need to be answered now lol. Also, great video, been watching them for the past two days when I can. You do very well with explaining the lore as well as giving your own theories. Great Job :)
I miss the destiny artifact that allowed us to control certain enemies
@@kevinoliver6231 yeah they did, but they were food distractions while you ran away to heal haha I sucked too
OH MAN ME TOOOO!!! I used to open hand slap an ogre and watch him beam down his friends like it was the purge!
@@Gammatrap lmao yessss!! Nothing more satisfying than to slap shrek(ogre) and watch him kick him everyone out of his swamp
Wish I got to experience that. I quit about a month or two before rise of iron launched. Really hope it returns.
I remember everyone screaming at me to take it off during raids cause it would prolong encounters because everything was supposed to be killed lol
Yea that makes sense, Mara knew once she said that he didn't answer her question and it sounded strange to him but he suddenly knew what the secrets were just like the Cabal that spoke to him.
I honestly think after Uldren's first trip into the garden, one single seed planted into him then that seed watered by the shock wave from Oryx's power then shortly after growing in him, edging him to the darkness's err more so Riven's pull. Ironically I think we will see Uldren or at lore wise read about him in connection with the garden even after his resurrection and mind wipe. Would love to see Bungie come up with a compelling story that he(Uldren) is feeling pulled or faint memories of being in the garden feeling both at home and yet scared of it because something lurks beyond the bed of ghost flowers.
There's something everyone should know, I don't think most people do. If you remember the Taken portal in the Dark Forest in the EDZ there's a minor detail about the portal you probably didn't notice. If you zoom into the portal with a sniper rifle, you can clearly see Vex structures(possibly the Black Garden)inside the portal. There are no screenshots of the inside so I assume it's not common knowledge. You'd have to see for yourself.
Yeah myelin clearly describes vex to be connected to the darkness
It is interesting that we got a transmat effect called the "Eldritch Effects" for the season of Opulence. Looking up the word eldritch was quite enlightening and allowed my imaginationto rememberthe original Destiny 1 concept art. Very cool!
It now makes sense as to why Uldren wanted us to fail or run away when we wanted to destroy the Black Garden's heart.
He described the heart as a tripwire... bait for Guardians to destroy it. But what would that tripwire set off other than heal the Traveler? Is that what it wanted? To have it heal and then awaken once again to wake up its planters?
Yes i also believe that it sole purpose was to set us up to destroy it so the Traveller can begin to heal and later awaken.
And whats interesting is that in some Leaks for destiny 3 it is said that the traveller killed the god of the veil (those with the Pyramid ships) or whatever they will be called during the collapse and that they want to resurrect their god with the help of the Power of the traveller. So in order to resurrect their god they want the traveller at full strength to then harness his Power to resurrect their god.
If thats true than we as guardians we're tricked from the beginning and with every enemy of the Traveller killed the traveller and the light gets more powerfull and we play right in the hands of the Darkness and their efforts to resurrect their God. This would be a good Twist
18:00 "Electrolytes, Its what Vex Crave."- Brawndo
Hey Myelin, when I saw the quote from Ikora, I read it as her comparing Oryx’s control over the Taken with the Dark Heart’s control over the Vex.
Rasputin might refer to the traveler as gardener because it transformed planets into garden worlds and sparked humanity.
[X] is an extremely powerful cosmic entity. When threatened, [X] leverages paracausal power to give life to the non-living, and endows that life with paracausal power for the purpose of protecting [X].
Now, is [X] the Traveler, or the Black Heart?
Dillon Keller perhaps both
Ever since Year 1 of D1 I've been convinced that the Black Garden was inside the Traveller itself. It doesn't have a sky. It has a ceiling as if it's in a sort of dome, and the fact that the cracks we see in the Traveller after it awakens in D2 emit a similar color to the atmosphere of the Black Garden only reinforce the theory. Also in D1's original story the Hive were draining the Traveller's light by siphoning it from a Shard, and when we destroy the Heart of the garden our Ghost tells us the Traveller has immediately started gaining its Light back. What better way to corrupt the Traveller than from the inside right?
Also Myelin's theory about the Garden corrupting Uldren is interesting, but I don't think it's true. The transformation described with the Cabal in the Garden is VERY different from being Taken like how the Techeuns were. He was also very singularly driven by the goal of freeing Riven, whereas the Cabal was essentially a slack-jawed idiot. The legionary seemed infected by a parasite, but Uldren was straight-up brainwashed.
Mara Sov is like that "virgin" girlfriend that has never done anything, then her level of expertise is scary...
It's interesting to see the Traveler referred to as the Gardener in the Lumina (and those silver Exotic Titan boots that I've forgotten the name of)'s lore tabs.
Hey Myelin, when you refer to the first prophecy and talk of "Eldritch", I wanted to point out there is an Eldritch Transmat effect included with Season 7. It shares the same or similar model to the Hive Cryptograph that is included with the Shadowkeep Collector's Edition.
It's actually the middle pillar in the boss room for Crown of Sorrow btw. It's some sort of darkness totem.
BROOO thank you for this video, I never played D1 so I had no idea wtf the Black Garden was all about.
QuackAttack you missed out on a lot but saved yourself from years of confusion 👀
This is easily now one of my favorite videos. And tbh I do believe Uldren was either planted a seed inside of himself or the black garden just straight up corrupted his heart by him entering it because he is awoken and they’re both light and dark and from what we saw the traveler shard just took the darkness out of his eyes so what if the black garden can just corrupt a awakens heart by entering it without needing a seed planted on or in them. Because the line between light and dark is so very thin.
These long vids are killer man. Thanks for putting them together for us!
Hey Myelin, just my thought into your question at the end of the video, "The ending of the eldritch race, a path long seen but never known" is talking about the Ahamkaras, (shapeshifters => eldritch) how we thought we hunted them to extinction, but we never knew until we killed Riven, as explained by the techeuns to be the last known Ahamkara. And also, in my opinion of the first phrase "Two siblings cleaved by time and space" refers to how Awokens are made, and the two siblings basically confirms your theory that it is talking about Mara and Uldren.
All in all, another great vido Myelihn! It is intersting how this prophecy is found on the weapon "Garden Progeny 1" as without that context we would have never known how Uldren was taken other than a theory he was truck by Oryx's blast.
Imagine Uldren being the next comic relief in Destiny. Like, he strolls into the Tower when SK launches and says like “Yo, Young Wolf, my man, we’re gonna take the moon. And maybe The Black Garden later”.
You are the man! Thanks for this I know how much time and effort his takes and I’m truly grateful
I think whatever made the black garden is a race we haven’t seen yet and we probably got a peek at it when we got the warlock armor piece in the Undying Mind strike. Possibly made out of that eldritch race. It could even be the Vale too.
Edit: Maybe the heart of the garden itself tries to transform its worshippers into this eldritch race. Similar to how the undying mind has those vines and how some vex have tentacles such as the harpies.
Oh goodie, a new lore video by Myelin.
Thanks Myelin lol
Those flowers look like ghost shells!! Nice details.
This whole theory could also link to dark guardians in Destiny 3! Maybe when we destroy the garden, the darkness will seap out to any exposed guardians, allowing that guardian to choose which element to follow.
Yeet_Mc _Skeet no, we will always be with the light but we will learn to use the darkness and we will combine with the light so that we will become even more powerful than the darkness itself. If we get to pick then they would have to make 2 completely different story lines. You can’t defend a city while following the dark. It just doesn’t make sense. If we use light and dark we will be more powerful than anything. This is basically foreshadowed by shin malphurs lore ‘you will walk the thin line between the light and dark’
@@The_Zenith true I agree.
I love your observation Myelin, perhaps being exposed to Oryx’s oversoul blast. Brought about the darkness Uldren had already growing in him due to his excursion into The Black Garden. As you put it. To add to your video, the Black Garden flower “Asphodelia” was brought to Dreaming City by Prince Uldren and gifted to Mara Sov. The Techeuns developed a milder variant of the flower called Pink Asphodelia. In the Dreaming City’s Ghost Scan patrols, it is revealed that the flower has attributes of The Light and The Dark. If you make tea using its petals, it brings about feelings of peacefulness and enlightenment. But should you accidentally get a thron from the plant pierce your skin. It brings about feelings of paranoia, madness and violence. So, it is taboo to pick the flowers in Dreaming City. The Awoken only use them for spiritual rites. To honor births and for funeral ceremonies.
The first raid boss for the Black Garden raid is gonna be the Undying Mind, but covered in even more fungus and rust.
Mind blown. Wow man this is super interesting and now I can’t wait to get in this raid
The eldritch are the new race in shadowkeep, eververse has "eldritch effects" available right now. Still interesting how it mentions their end though...maybe at uldrens hand?
Everyone dicks on the d1 story because we got questions that were never answered. But what most people don’t know is that there were supposed to be two other dlc that were canceled due to backlash on the main story. These two dlc’s leaked names were “vex void” and “forge of gods”. Theses two expansions, about the vex and cabal, were supposed to provide answers, but were cancelled and therefore couldn’t.
Your last quoted lore line had me think outside the box a little. "Two siblings (Light/Traveler & Darkness/Black Garden) cleaved by time and space, reflections (I took this as reflections of thier own nature the Light has Guardians and the Darkness has it's Taken or manipulated races.) never found alone, the ending of the eldrith race (I took this as not a direct naming of a race but more of a hint. Eldrith depending on its use could mean old/elder race which the light and dark are among the oldest in terms of the Destiny timeline OR Eldriths direct meaning a dark/twisted race ending) - a path long seen but never known (every guardian/agent of light wants the darkness gone and since races have been used by both the light and darkness since before the lights use of humanity it would literally be a goal long fought for by guardians but as of yet unknown or if we go back to the elder race idea both sides light and dark want the other gone so this could also mean the light could be ending as we have played through a spot in the game where you go into the future and there is no more light. These are my thoughts anyways. My interpretation leaves some wiggle room for either side and with the developers okay going to some dark spots I could see a darkness ending BUT there is also hope in the darkness winning but thats a whole new post.
I always thought The Black Garden was a Throneworld, and that the Heart was a Worm God larvae that the Vex took for study, after Quria invaded the Ascendant Plane.
On the down low... I asked the writers this question when I visited Bungie :)
Ahhh The black garden, one of destiny’s favorite mysteries.
I feel like the heart of the garden was originally meant to be the thing that would help the vex becoming not just time hopping beings but would become a law of the universe something that just 'exists'
You should also read the transcript of the 'Visions of Light' mission from Forsaken for our new supers. The voice that talks quotes the Speaker twice "Devotion inspires bravery. Bravery inspires sacrifice. Sacrifice… leads to death." & Devotion inspires bravery. Bravery inspires sacrifice. Sacrifice… leads to death., Pujari once "The Garden grows in both directions. It grows into tomorrow and yesterday. The red flowers bloom forever.", Toland once "You might have been kings and queens of the Deep! But you have toppled Oryx, and you have not replaced him!", and the person that Efrideet was talking to in the lore tab of the Cosmos Shell " … Even the stars are brighter now… the whole cosmos is ablaze…", as well as Lord Radegast in the Lord Radegast Grimoire card "Humanity must have protectors… Will you stand with me?".
Dude that's so cool. The roses are in the shape of Ghosts I see Gammatrap is a man of lore. 🍻 Cheers to Myelin and Gamma!
Black Garden explained:
Its a garden thats mostly black and inhabited with seamen robots. A➕ report🤗
This was four years ago but Oh shit the line about Uldren and Mara is still true.
"two siblings cleaved by time and space, reflections never found alone, the ending of the Eldritch race - a path long seen but never known."
The two have been separated by Uldren(or rather Crow now) going into the Traveler to open the portal for us to follow. And we are in the final fight against what i would call Eldritch beings in their race to either protect the world(Traveler) or destroy it(Witness)
Who else heard dinklebots voice when he read the ghost quotes. I really miss Peter Dinklage as our ghosts voice.
Caden Green same 😭
Damn yall is straight Destiny OGs
Same. I never understood the casuals "hE sOuNdS lIkE a RoBoT" complaint, like no shit? He's supposed to sound that way!
He had so much more charm... cannot stand how buddy buddy the ghost is now.
Savage Wraith I’m with ya!! I loved the dark humor peter Dinklage brought to our ghost. I often times find myself annoyed with Nolan’s ghost. Nothing against the man I just really liked peter Dinklage’s performance
Great video. Excited to see what you have to say about the garden of salvation now!
Maybe with his resurrection I hope we get the old uldren back, I would like to see him joking around and all that
Have a look at the cut scene in D1 during the black garden mission when the stone Minotaurs come to life, it’s very reminiscent of oryx taking of another creature..
I have a exam tomorrow but Destiny lore is more important luul, great video
Excellent content here.
While listening to your video, I recalled that Bungie replied to a question on wether we would see Uldren's history advance in Shadowkeep, in which they said something like they are not developing on Uldren Sov in Shadowkeep, but that it would nevertheless "advance" Destiny's history...
Im pretty curious on how this is going to develop..
Seed, now we have seeds of a tree as our artifact. I think you were onto something
Perhaps Oryx didn’t “Take” Uldren because he sensed the Darkness in him.
He couldn't take what the Darkness already claimed.
Considering Shin Malphurs stance and Uldrens corruption then subsequent resurrection as a guardian.... I think these darkness-infused subclasses could actually be a thing soon enough! ;o
Uldren is the guide to the Garden of Salvation. Calling it here
I wish
The questions I have are.. if this theory were to be true, how did the Black Garden affect our Guardian? Did it even affect me? Is this a big reason that shows we are the ones that can truly walk the thin line between light, and darkness?
Wait wait wait, I'm watching this in 2021 and the message from Telesto lore tab mentioned a character called Crow, from what I remember there were no characters called Crow back in the day, but recently Uldren was chosen as a guardian and now goes by Crow. We know a lot about Uldren, but not about Crow, could this be relating to revived Uldren? We dont know what he seeks, what he strives for, he could be a good guy or not.
_It's a really good vacation spot._
Both the Vex and the Traveler terraform planets they go to....hence, 'gardeners'
*bungo wants to know your location*
So I wonder, will we enter the Black Garden through the gate like in Vanilla D1? Or maybe a "Secret" entrance to the Black Garden like it TTK? Or is there perhaps a portal like an Ascendant Realm Portal? Maybe they'll be lazy and add one somewhere in Hellas Basin or perhaps in Nessus or Io?
D1 coming back around, only took 5 years.
; )
did anyone notice how long that daybreak lasted? shits crazy
Myelin, I feel like this is kind of a flimsy theory. I got the impression that Uldren and Jolyon visited the Black Garden long before Vanilla D1 and Forsaken. So for us to see him in D1 with no corruption, theoretically long after visiting the Garden, and then in Forsaken with corruption, doesn’t make much sense if he was corrupted by the Garden. It had to have been before D1’s campaign, because we destroyed the Garden. Mara must have known this, so there would be no reason for her to ask him about the Heart. It’s an interesting theory, but doesn’t make all that much sense. Or maybe I’m wrong. It is a theory, after all.
So I'm even more afraid of all scorn because if Uldren got planted a seed in him and he passed some of that onto Fikrul, Fikrul is msking all other dead fallen like him, they are becoming something the darkness or black garden possibly wanted to create, when Uldren was trying to save Fikrul that seed could've chosen to create a creation of there own as the scorn, I'd be super hyped over that if it is true
Some really cool insights in this video! I think the Garden Progeny text should be interpreted more broadly: the siblings are not Mara and Uldren, but the Traveller and the Black Garden, or the Light and Darkness. The text even says you can't find one without the other, reinforcing a popular Destiny theme of the duality of Light and Dark. I think the text speaks of the origins of this duality, implying that the Traveller and the Black Garden/Darkness were born when an eldritch race perished, or as a result of it perishing.
I think its more likely that the traveller and the darkness came from the garden, where that eldritch race existed
The traveler is the gardener, and the black garden...is the garden. I believe the two were part of a whole. Two siblings separated by time and space, continuing their primary functions. The traveler bringing new life and new growth, and the garden feeding off of life, killing, infecting. Neither one able to act on their own so they breed champions. Their endgame may even be reunion but because that's not possible they both exist out of balance.
The "Ending of the eldritch race, a path long seen but never known" is probably about the death of Riven, the last Aramhkara, whose near extinction of species in the great hunt was widely inferred but most never knew if all were dead.
The Eldritch race is the Hive, as they use what is many times called “Eldritch Magic”
They use Elsritch Magic, but they did not create it.
On Nessus there a vex artifact that you can investigate and your ghost tells you there more then one garden ... black garden then your ghost tell you it can’t tell if there being rebuilt or destroy
Just a thought... "The same flower..." as in, taking bends the will of the Taken to the one who Takes, compared to the same flower of ghosts brainwashing the Risen into service of the Traveler.