FEUD: Maria Anna of Austria & Mariana Victoria of Spain

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  • Опубліковано 7 лис 2021
  • Maria Anna of Austria and Mariana Victoria of Bourbon were both queens of Portugal for best part of the 18th century. More than that, they were family, mother and daughter in law.
    For a quarter of a century, they lived in the court of Lisbon in a proximity that went from love to hate in just a few years. Maria Anna of Austria controlled every aspect of her daughter in laws life, and Mariana Victoria resented her dippy for it.
    But their relationship is much more complex than that, not only did they come from extremely different backgrounds, one was Austrian and the other one Spanish, their experiences in the Portuguese court were a clear contrast, just like their personalities.
    But in the end, they had more in commune than they might have thought.
    So, on this video, I am going to try to find out what was the relationship between these two women like and the causes for their feud.
    #18thcentury #history #feud
    Sourses:
    - Drumond Braga, Paulo (2018). Mariana Vitória de Bourbon, A Rainha Discreta. Lisboa: Temas e Debates.
    Into The Past 2021
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  • @IntoThePast
    @IntoThePast  2 роки тому +26

    The information presented in this video is only possible thanks to the work and dedication of academics and researchers. Therefore they take full credit for it. You can access the sources used in the making of this video in the description.
    Thank you for watching and don't forget to like and subscribe!
    Let me know what you think about the relationship between these two, I´m very curious!

    • @genevievevavance3122
      @genevievevavance3122 2 роки тому +7

      This was super interesting! loved to know about their feud. Mariana seems to be a realy interesting character, a real human being with qualities and flaws, she has her own motivations but she is also influenced by others. Loved to see a movie about her 😊👑

    • @salvadorarruda4664
      @salvadorarruda4664 2 роки тому +4

      It´s interesting to know the stuf that hapend behind closed doors. They look loke normal famalies

    • @medievalgoth9777
      @medievalgoth9777 2 роки тому +3

      Loved Maria Anna, she sounds like a boss

    • @pamelachartrand1082
      @pamelachartrand1082 2 роки тому +3

      On the relationship of these two it’s hard to say but Her mother in law didn’t sound too nice really. I guess over bearing.

    • @pamelachartrand1082
      @pamelachartrand1082 2 роки тому +3

      Maria Anna was too difficult a personality I think. But I guess in those days they were stricter and firm but it sounds like maybe she didn’t like her daughter in law too much.

  • @mariaminghi4297
    @mariaminghi4297 2 роки тому +64

    I love this channel a lot because you talk about people not many english-speaking channels make content about. Thank you so much, excellent work

    • @IntoThePast
      @IntoThePast  2 роки тому +4

      Thank you very much

    • @tysonclark5974
      @tysonclark5974 2 роки тому +1

      If you can't find this stuff on UA-cam you might have a mental problem

    • @johnnzboy
      @johnnzboy 2 роки тому +2

      @@tysonclark5974 Well that was an unnecessarily unkind comment.

  • @kaloarepo288
    @kaloarepo288 2 роки тому +15

    As a bit of a classical music buff I would like to point out that Maria Anna of Austria employed the great Italian composer and harpsichordist Domenico Scarlatti (considered to be the greatest keyboard player of the eighteenth century)as her children's music teacher -specifically he taught Barbara who later became queen of Spain.Scarlatti himself moved to Spain from Portugal and continued his musical activities there.

  • @rubiboo3065
    @rubiboo3065 2 роки тому +20

    There is a French movie named ''the princess exchange''
    Where Maria Victoria and a French princess exchange each others in the same way. If it is a true story it is pretty sad that the same little girl lived the same thing twice...

    • @missScarlatine
      @missScarlatine 2 роки тому +5

      That movie was so beautiful, so many scene looked like painting in it.

  • @gonefishing167
    @gonefishing167 2 роки тому +29

    Very interesting, thank you. People tend to think ‘they’re royal, they’re rich, they have such good lives’ but they obviously don’t , do they. Poor little daughters , sent away at such young ages to foreign lands, probably to,never see their parents again. 👵👵👵🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

    • @offwiththefairiesforever2373
      @offwiththefairiesforever2373 2 роки тому +2

      Totally agree

    • @offwiththefairiesforever2373
      @offwiththefairiesforever2373 2 роки тому +2

      So agree ,

    • @cl5470
      @cl5470 6 місяців тому +1

      Still better than the lives of the poor back then. Better to be sent away at 11 than dead in the streets at 5. Even if you lived to adulthood (50% of people did not) most poor people's parents died while they were still children.

  • @samguardado055
    @samguardado055 2 роки тому +23

    I really appreciate your channel. My French isn’t, Spanish isn’t great, and my Hungarian is nearly non-existent. Your channel fills so many fun gaps that are tough to parse out in English. One historian to another, you’re wonderful!

  • @gregoryjones9546
    @gregoryjones9546 2 роки тому +7

    I'm Finding Your Channel On Spanish And Portuguese Royalty FASCINATING!!! 👑👑🇪🇸🇵🇹

  • @veronicaguyader9997
    @veronicaguyader9997 2 роки тому +19

    I loved the "Queen Nun" part....i almost spit out my drink!

    • @teachasse6114
      @teachasse6114 2 роки тому +2

      Mistress Nun

    • @veronicaguyader9997
      @veronicaguyader9997 2 роки тому +3

      @@teachasse6114 yeah, but he said she lived like a queen....i just found it hilarious to visualize a Queen nun.

    • @teachasse6114
      @teachasse6114 2 роки тому

      @@veronicaguyader9997 Even funnier to visualize a Mistress Nun

    • @veronicaguyader9997
      @veronicaguyader9997 2 роки тому +1

      @@teachasse6114 sorry, i think we aren't understanding one another. I am laughing at Queen Nun bc she got called that bc she was his mistress. I guess i am not explainin myself right bc the mistress part is implied in the moment when i almost spit my drink out that her importance as his mistress made her much looking like a Queen...nun.

  • @2604ernesto
    @2604ernesto 2 роки тому +25

    The Austrian was obsessed with religion omg poor Bourbon princess, her family was more into funny and artistic activities than church like the Habsburgs did, your videos are amazing, i find a lot of facts that I didn't know about before, greetings

    • @IntoThePast
      @IntoThePast  2 роки тому +5

      I´m glad you like the channel, cheers!

  • @offwiththefairiesforever2373
    @offwiththefairiesforever2373 2 роки тому +7

    She was very beautiful, poor little princesses....pawns of power.

  • @igor-yp1xv
    @igor-yp1xv 2 роки тому +17

    First to comment! Super interesting story. Funny to discover the etiquette in the time of José was strict, I had an image of the Bragança court and family as a very... sloppy - that's how things seemed to be under Mariana's grandson's regency and reign as king João IV.

    • @IntoThePast
      @IntoThePast  2 роки тому +10

      Thank you!
      The Bragança family already had a solid court ceremonial, even before becoming a royal house. When they where just dukes living in Vila Viçosa, etiquet was already present as a social mechanism.
      On the other side, the court of Lisbon was a litle disorganized, especially in terms of hierarchy. On the day Maria Anna arrived in Lisbon for the first time, her new portuguese ladies where on "strike" because of precedences.

  • @Draygo21
    @Draygo21 2 роки тому +10

    "She dramatized everything"....... NOOOO!!!!! a girl, especially a young girl, would never do that!!!!! I refuse to believe she was a whiny and entitled brat...lol

  • @pamelachartrand1082
    @pamelachartrand1082 2 роки тому +9

    I’ll have to read some more about her. I’ve always been fascinated reading about kings and queens since I was in my teens

  • @Belinda8881
    @Belinda8881 2 роки тому +12

    Super interesting theme.I had already read that Mariana Vitória and her Mother in law weren't on the bestof terms but I didn't know all the details.One of my favourite Queens of Portugal. She had to go through rather difficult Times especially the 1755 earthhquake,the execution of The Távoras and the enormous influence of Pombal Over the King her husband which she resented.

    • @IntoThePast
      @IntoThePast  2 роки тому +5

      I'm glad you liked it!
      The ironic thing about Mariana and the marquis de Pombal was that in one of her letters, when she was still a princess, she said that her husband was not prone to be influenced by others... little did she know.

  • @theduchessofspring2395
    @theduchessofspring2395 2 роки тому +11

    in other words, it sounds like our dear little princess was slightly spoiled.

  • @alannasarafat9938
    @alannasarafat9938 2 роки тому +8

    The classic case of daughter in law vs in laws family

  • @ivorafael8049
    @ivorafael8049 2 роки тому +5

    This is the best video about this two queen, your job is amazing!!

  • @rhonnichan
    @rhonnichan 2 роки тому +8

    I stumbled on your channel and I've been binging
    You're doing an amazing job and you have a new subscriber 😊

  • @Viridianmet
    @Viridianmet 2 роки тому +4

    Excellent work! Thank you for this update

  • @zs_886
    @zs_886 2 роки тому +7

    Really liked this video, keep up the great work!!

  • @pamelachartrand1082
    @pamelachartrand1082 2 роки тому +4

    I really enjoy your videos because you include not many heard of kings and queens. I love all the different pictures too. It’s like watching a movie. I liked the Marie Antoinette one . Are you going to continue to use lots of pictures in your upcoming videos? I was wondering what you meant when you said changing the format

    • @IntoThePast
      @IntoThePast  2 роки тому +2

      Thank you. I will continue to do videos with the images, dont worry :) I did the Marie Antoinette one because I wanted to try doing something freestyle. I liked the technical side of it but i didn't ́t think it was good enough, so I deleted it.

  • @MyLady120
    @MyLady120 2 роки тому +3

    Great story. I truly enjoyed this very much.

  • @elizabethbower2168
    @elizabethbower2168 2 роки тому +4

    I am so enjoying your videos they are so informative

  • @mrn8344
    @mrn8344 2 роки тому +18

    a channel that can actually pronounce names in english, french, portuguese and spanish..

    • @johnnzboy
      @johnnzboy 2 роки тому +1

      Very true, although surprisingly his Italian was a bit wonky (i.e. 'Farnese') (o;

  • @peroz1000
    @peroz1000 2 роки тому +1

    This was a very interesting story! Keep it up, and greetings from Brazil!

  • @charlotteleates9375
    @charlotteleates9375 2 роки тому +5

    OMG!! This channel is magnificent!! Keep it up!! 👍🏻

  • @juliechi6166
    @juliechi6166 2 роки тому +9

    Ruined reputation of a SIX year old!!!

  • @salvadorarruda4664
    @salvadorarruda4664 2 роки тому +6

    Great video!😉

  • @pamelachartrand1082
    @pamelachartrand1082 2 роки тому +3

    Another wonderful video. It’s interesting to hear her story . I hadn’t heard of her before. Beautiful pictures too

  • @applejellypucci
    @applejellypucci 2 роки тому +3

    I just subscribed right now, bravo on an enjoyable presentation.

  • @annfisher3316
    @annfisher3316 2 роки тому +3

    Fantastically interesting, so glad l subscribed. I often wonder how history will be discovered in the future without letters as correspondence. ✉

  • @medievalgoth9777
    @medievalgoth9777 2 роки тому +4

    It was great to know about the relationship between these two.

  • @Isabella2335.
    @Isabella2335. 2 роки тому +3

    Very interesting 🧐 thanks 🙏🏻

  • @offwiththefairiesforever2373
    @offwiththefairiesforever2373 2 роки тому +8

    They stole her babies ! No wonder she was in a distressed state and deppression. No wonder at all.

  • @mathieuleroux9912
    @mathieuleroux9912 2 роки тому +2

    I love the history you give us about Marianna victoria and her mother-in-law. But can we know where did you found the letters of the young princess?????

    • @IntoThePast
      @IntoThePast  2 роки тому +4

      The letters were published in 1936 (Cartas de Rainha D. Mariana Victória para a sua Família de Espanha e que se Encontram nos Arquivos Históricos de Madrid e Geral de Simancas, apresentadas e anotadas por Cetano Beirão, vol. 1 (1721-1748), Lisboa, Empresa Nacional de Publicidade, 1936.). I got access to excerpts of them in the recent biography of the Queen by the historian Paulo Drumond Braga, that source and others used in the making of the video are listed in the description.

  • @JuuuDantas
    @JuuuDantas 2 роки тому +5

    Have to take my beloathed colonizers side on this one. The Rainha didn't want the wedding to be consumated because she didn't want the spoiled Princess of Brazil (lmao) to die giving birth as a child.

  • @deborafernandes1026
    @deborafernandes1026 2 роки тому +2

    could you make the following themes on videos: the relationship between João v and madre paula, the abdication of afonso vi and the baker of Aljubarrota?

  • @medievalgoth9777
    @medievalgoth9777 2 роки тому +6

    8:10 so cute! i can't

  • @royery
    @royery Рік тому +1

    Me encanta la historia del periodo Renaissance. Especialmente de la realeza. Lo encuentro todo fasinante. Mi favorita reina creo que es Maria Carolina.

  • @NC-ij9rb
    @NC-ij9rb 2 роки тому +2

    She looks so pretty ❤

  • @daya820
    @daya820 2 роки тому

    Please! Let us know how Mariana’s story follows, we so interested in her story

  • @sarah3796
    @sarah3796 2 роки тому +3

    How old was she when she had her first child??

  • @chunellemariavictoriaespan8752
    @chunellemariavictoriaespan8752 2 роки тому +5

    ... The princess carry almost the same name as me... Sounds awkward listening to her story while always mishearing my name repeated a lot... As if I am the one being talked about...

  • @Alusnovalotus
    @Alusnovalotus 2 роки тому +3

    But what happened after?!?! Don’t leave us hanging!!!!!!!!! 😫

  • @salvadorarruda4664
    @salvadorarruda4664 2 роки тому +3

    And five years after Mariana Victória became queen of Portugal Lisbon was destroid destroyed by a massive earthquake.

  • @hassanalghdli9754
    @hassanalghdli9754 2 роки тому +1

    ## FUED ##

  • @hassanalghdli9754
    @hassanalghdli9754 2 роки тому +1

    ## HOME COME ##

  • @plamenivanov92
    @plamenivanov92 2 роки тому

    Mariana Victoria (known in France as Marie Anne Victoire or The Child Queen) she was taken care of by Marie Anne La Prences du Conti daughter of Louis XIV and Madame La Valierre

  • @hassanalghdli9754
    @hassanalghdli9754 2 роки тому +1

    ## 18 THE SANTORE ##

  • @cakecrumb095
    @cakecrumb095 2 роки тому +2

    Wait….Maria Anna vs Mariana Victoria. Oh my god that’s so funny to me.

  • @anniemaymcneely2013
    @anniemaymcneely2013 2 роки тому +3

    Why do all old princesses look exactly the same ?

    • @limecilla7612
      @limecilla7612 2 роки тому +4

      Well, in part is because they wear similar fashions, and also partly because all the royal families were related in some degree.

    • @johnnzboy
      @johnnzboy 2 роки тому +4

      The homogeneous fashions (especially the wigs) and pale skin tone/makeup definitely contribute to similarity, and keep in mind that the royal portrait-painters presented idealised versions of the sitters so we're not really seeing them as they truly were, "warts and all".

  • @hassanalghdli9754
    @hassanalghdli9754 2 роки тому +2

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    @hassanalghdli9754 2 роки тому +1

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    @hassanalghdli9754 2 роки тому

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    @hassanalghdli9754 2 роки тому +1

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    @hassanalghdli9754 2 роки тому

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    @hassanalghdli9754 2 роки тому

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  • @valmarsiglia
    @valmarsiglia 2 роки тому +2

    "A menstruated woman" lol.

  • @hassanalghdli9754
    @hassanalghdli9754 2 роки тому +1

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    @hassanalghdli9754 2 роки тому +1

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    @hassanalghdli9754 2 роки тому +1

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  • @MsDuketown
    @MsDuketown 2 роки тому

    Lol, they look overweighted and frusty. Are they on the Rubens diet?

    • @cg8397
      @cg8397 2 роки тому

      It's the fashions, especially the panniers