Specter Knight is the Best and Here's Why - Hyve Minds Shovel Knight Analysis

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  • Specter Knight New Game Plus is the best mode in all of Shovel Knight Treasure Trove. Here's why. Some of this video is following up on my previous Shovel Knight video (The WORST Item in Shovel Knight) • The WORST Item in Shov...
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  • @rustyshovel7179
    @rustyshovel7179 4 роки тому +199

    phase locket would've been balanced with two simple changes : You can't attack during invincibility, and it has a cooldown. done.

    • @Techhunter_Talon
      @Techhunter_Talon 4 роки тому +15

      More or less has a use when platforming but isn't that great during boss encounters unless you're using it to dodge a hit or two.

    • @demopan7853
      @demopan7853 4 роки тому

      Perfect

    • @Techhunter_Talon
      @Techhunter_Talon 4 роки тому +4

      @@demopan7853 Though the Phase Locket level and the segment after getting it from Chester would have to be revised if the item was changed in that way.

    • @ralphthejedimaster
      @ralphthejedimaster 4 роки тому +6

      rather than a cooldown i think just making it cost a lot more mana, maybe 30, would be fine. that way you can still spam it occasionally, but it has the obvious consequence of leaving you low on mana. i like the idea of not being able to attack while it's active too

    • @karlsargant3985
      @karlsargant3985 3 роки тому +4

      Maybe you can make it so that the phase locket stops its effect early if you attack.

  • @gabryeltheunisz1493
    @gabryeltheunisz1493 5 років тому +166

    Phase locket probs would've been complained about less if it was found in a later stage. It's stupid to be able to get it on potentially the second level you play.

    • @gabryeltheunisz1493
      @gabryeltheunisz1493 5 років тому +6

      First comment of mine that's been highlighted and liked, my day has been made. Thank you Hyve Minds :)

    • @axcicos7133
      @axcicos7133 5 років тому +4

      @Pokémon ultra Sun fan 647, RABBIDS! GODZILLA! that does seem to be a difficulty setting tho, for people who find the game REALLY hard
      i already beat standard SoH and blitzing through it with invincible shovel knight was still rather fun, and having that code be an 'easy' mode makes good sense in contrast to the normal mode

    • @djshirazi5039
      @djshirazi5039 4 роки тому +4

      the leach yard was supposed 2 be on the 3rd part in early dev, not sure y they changed it

    • @ermant7285
      @ermant7285 4 роки тому

      @Pokémon ultra Sun fan 647, RABBIDS! GODZILLA! thats a cheat mode. Doesnt count

    • @picclejar
      @picclejar 2 роки тому

      correction: first level

  • @MCFPapa
    @MCFPapa 4 роки тому +99

    I feel like an idiot cause I've played Shovel of Hope 4 times 100% and never thought to use the phase locket to break the game

    • @bakedice6767
      @bakedice6767 4 роки тому +8

      even after watching this video and others I still rarley use phase locket (although I rarley play SoH so...)

    • @edgytheedgehog8618
      @edgytheedgehog8618 4 роки тому +3

      That's because you're not a little baby.

    • @Muistimetalli
      @Muistimetalli 4 роки тому +3

      That's probably a good thing. The phase locked takes a lot of the challenge and fun out of the game.

    • @apollyon6855
      @apollyon6855 3 роки тому

      I used it to dodge the most complex attacks, if I don't know how to avoid it without it, I'll use it until I can dodge without it
      Self-generated difficulty, unconsciously

    • @tear959
      @tear959 2 роки тому

      Same lol, I just used it on situational things

  • @fauxalias9485
    @fauxalias9485 5 років тому +159

    I don't know if you still read these, but shovel knight's Dust Knuckles or whatever they are called again make you invulnerable, move you, damage the enemy and cost practically nothing. They're insane.

    • @ghhn4505
      @ghhn4505 4 роки тому +14

      This is why I learned to love the Magicist Coat. More magic lead to me experiment with more relics which made me learn the Dust Knuckles can effectively *replace* the Shovel. Nuts to think about.

    • @aigeee
      @aigeee 4 роки тому +2

      lol

    • @tinakennedy8073
      @tinakennedy8073 4 роки тому +7

      Yeah you have to say they're the best close-range item in the game but remember it's close range and it moves you away from the boss when you hit it so that balance it out

    • @nathanhewitt4617
      @nathanhewitt4617 4 роки тому +13

      @@tinakennedy8073 It actually moves you closer, sometimes even past them, and then you can just turn around and punch again. Also, it has a slight amount of range, and it can easily kill an enemy if you get close.

    • @nathanhewitt4617
      @nathanhewitt4617 4 роки тому +2

      DUST KNUX 4 LIFE

  • @karasu9
    @karasu9 5 років тому +37

    Shovel Knight was my favorite game before I saw this video, and now it's still my favorite game, but I have an enhanced appreciation of what it does right because my love is no longer blind and I can recognize the bits that don't work as well

    • @HyveMindsGames
      @HyveMindsGames  5 років тому +7

      This comment makes me super happy, I'm glad I was able to give you new perspective on this fantastic game!

  • @adamsandler3052
    @adamsandler3052 4 роки тому +124

    "Except the Bounding Soul, that thing is still pretty garbage"
    Speedrunners: "ohohohoho, you fool!"

  • @mr.purplewhite5037
    @mr.purplewhite5037 4 роки тому +74

    "Murdering everything in your path heals you. Just...like...in real.......life.”
    That actually made me laugh out loud.

  • @nobgs4505
    @nobgs4505 4 роки тому +28

    I feel like King Knight does a decent job with it's relics, as probably the most useful one, the hammer that can produce hearts, only occurs when you actually hit with it, and you still have to collect the hearts afterwards.

    • @SuperDZ555
      @SuperDZ555 4 роки тому

      Do you think he’s gonna see that? This video was made a year ago!
      Edit: but seriously tho I agree

    • @pikminman13
      @pikminman13 4 роки тому +2

      The Hammer? I would say F l a m e S w o r d or the Scepter or the Gyro Boots are the best ones, for different situations. Of course I don't really use very many of them ever anyway but you know.

    • @masonjones7777
      @masonjones7777 4 роки тому +2

      @@pikminman13 my problem is that, in the base game, the vitality armor makes the flame sword and scepter waaaay too broken, the only things that still give me trouble are dragon knights and even then the sword is the best solution.

    • @pikminman13
      @pikminman13 4 роки тому

      @@masonjones7777 Yea, I guess that's fair. Personally, I put on the air dash armor and never took it off for all 20 achievements, and rarely used the heirlooms to begin with because my buster only nature makes me less likely to use things regardless of how cool they look.

    • @bakedice6767
      @bakedice6767 4 роки тому +2

      yeah king of cards has really good items. I found myself every item to great effect atleast once (well, there is ranged javelin, but whatever.) but never abusing any. in SoH and PoS I never used items and in SoT I abused will skull (I'll be it I never tanked) so KoC was a nice refresher.

  • @patchpen5613
    @patchpen5613 6 років тому +7

    My only complaint with the NG+ is that you can still select the will skull. While scrolling through the items you have, there's always this one "dead" option. Maybe they should have made it so it consumes a medium-small amount of darkness, but temporarily boosts the darkness you gain from killing enemies, so it becomes a risk/reward system of "If I use it now, will I be able to earn back what I lost?"
    And then, taking that back to the original campaign, it would temporarily make all enemies drop will, making it not an easy health restoration, but not a terrible one either.

    • @HyveMindsGames
      @HyveMindsGames  6 років тому +1

      I like that idea a lot! Use up a little bit of your resources to increase how much your earn for a while

  • @jademonass2954
    @jademonass2954 4 роки тому +19

    I always thought that the items where optional/complement to the intended experience, but not actually part of of it

  • @VivecAlmalexia
    @VivecAlmalexia 6 років тому +48

    I'm suprised you haven't complained about the judgement rush, or dedicated a larger amount of time to complaining about it. that curio lets you skip literal entire sections of an area. you do need a bit of skill to use it, but i used that way more than the will skull in my original playthrouhg of the game. that aside, Skeletor is completely overpowered, definitely agree, phase locket is absolutely dumb levels of ridiculous, and I haven't tried NG+ because I am a lazy ass person.

    • @TheJadeFist
      @TheJadeFist 5 років тому +2

      Well, me personally my Spectre Knight play through I finally got through, I didn't even get the judgement rush till the very end. Of course had I known about it, and that the red skull items you can buy depending on levels beaten, I might have done Propeller Knight's stage first.

    • @tinakennedy8073
      @tinakennedy8073 4 роки тому

      Yeah I actually did use it to skip move sections that annoying me

    • @anafu-sankanashi8933
      @anafu-sankanashi8933 3 роки тому +1

      @@TheJadeFist the only truely proper location to use judgement rush is Horace's tower challenge.

    • @TheJadeFist
      @TheJadeFist 3 роки тому

      @@anafu-sankanashi8933 It's also pretty useful in several spots for speed runs, and it's why you pretty much have to start at Propeller Knight, it lets you get around some walls, and skip some platforming sections or bypass parts of some rooms. Having 100%ed the game on both PC and Switch and done a handful of speed runs myself, It's a must have item.

    • @anafu-sankanashi8933
      @anafu-sankanashi8933 3 роки тому

      @@TheJadeFist did you beat horace's challenge?

  • @rismu1972
    @rismu1972 4 роки тому +7

    Honestly i feel the best way to balance the relics would be to simply increase the mana cost of utilizing the phase locket. I say this because I truly believe most of the items in shovel of hope are already broken in their own way, they just require more experimentation to realize that potential and generally aren't applicable to every situation, which is why the phase locket appears to be so much better than every other relic, when in reality, for almost every case, there's a better relic for the job. An instance of this could be seen in the chaos orb and flare rod, which because of them being right next to each other could easily be spammed in tandem with your basic attacks to kill mini bosses and bosses within literal seconds. You also have the alchemy coin which deals twice the damage of your shovel allowing you to one shot most enemies(which keeps the flow going) and yields more gold at the same time. If you have a firm grasp on how each of the items work there is very few situations in which the phase locket is the best item to use, simply because the phase locket is A: slow(which destroys the game's flow), B: trivializes a lot of the games challenge and C: prevents you from yielding as many rewards as possible. Other items don't trivialize the game's challenges whilst yielding an even better result if you make good use of them. So in my opinion they should've kept the phase locket functionally the same but given it a ridiculously high mana cost, like 20 or so, to encourage more creative play. If you deliberately try playing the game without making use of the phase locket I think this point is actually self evident.

    • @cardboardhawks6783
      @cardboardhawks6783 4 роки тому

      I feel like it should cost about as much as war horn. (by which i mean around 15, not 20 or more.)

  • @Sven-vy5cu
    @Sven-vy5cu 4 роки тому +9

    I know Im like a year late on this video but this video convinced me to try out Specter of Torment NG+ first because of the challenge.

  • @dontforget5737
    @dontforget5737 3 роки тому +3

    I have a feeling that they removed the will skull less because it was broken, and more because it does not function with combined health and magic meters. You're consuming darkness, to give you darkness. Its either useless, or an unlimited loop that destroys the mode

    • @adamdinar376
      @adamdinar376 2 роки тому +1

      Another thing that supports this idea is that new game + was released at the same time as specter of torment, so if they realised it was broken why not nerf it in normal specter of torment

  • @poohbear01x48
    @poohbear01x48 5 років тому +8

    Great video, thought the commentary was very insightful. Like you, I have found myself completely avoiding item use during my first attempt at New Game plus. I was fortunate that I found your video before completing my first playthrough. However, not sure if I'm going to take advantage of the mr. Skittles cheese strat.
    I've been using the risk rainment and blowing up my first check point so I can relax a little bit through the stage and not feel like I'm being forced to speed run it (despite that being the main draw for me). All together, this is by far the best version of shovel Knight

  • @dirtboi3571
    @dirtboi3571 5 років тому +5

    me: huh, will skull basically turns health into mana
    yacht club games: * rubs hands together *

  • @PKwooper8281
    @PKwooper8281 4 роки тому +8

    NG+ with every character should be like this but with no special items...

  • @Aeroczema
    @Aeroczema 6 років тому +1

    Great video as always, and I love the kind of analysis and discussion you sparked in the comments section. Lots of interesting weigh-ins from a lot of different perspectives.

  • @calvinwithak7514
    @calvinwithak7514 4 роки тому +2

    I'm glad I unintentionally completely neglected every relic besides the propeller dagger in all my playthroughs of shovel knight lol. I had no idea how busted the phase locket was

  • @veinerschnoozle6776
    @veinerschnoozle6776 6 років тому +15

    The Shovel Knight NG+ wasn't that great as you said, but the Boss Rush was fantastic. You couldn't just use the phase locket on each boss, because you had limited mana (you don't get a mana refill until after two bosses) so you had to experiment with cheaper/more efficient items to deal with your threat. You also had to strategize and learn your opponents attack patterns. It was a pretty great experience, and it would have been nice if the rest of the NG+ was like that.

    • @yonatanbeer3475
      @yonatanbeer3475 5 років тому +1

      VeinerSchnoozle except that, at Max Mana, you have at least 100 Mana, giving you 12 phases for two bosses, more than enough to dodge all incoming damage. Also, some bosses (like king Knight, specter knight, and tinker Knight) are so easy to beat without taking much damage that you don't need it for them.

    • @yonatanbeer3475
      @yonatanbeer3475 5 років тому

      @Fresh_Knight don't you refill your Mana every other boss?

    • @yonatanbeer3475
      @yonatanbeer3475 5 років тому

      @Fresh_Knight oh that. Yeah, but 30/8= 3 remainder 6, so as long as you used all 100+ Mana to cheese Polar Knight, that's 3-4 get out of jail free cards

  • @choo_choo1256
    @choo_choo1256 4 роки тому +40

    "Don't like it don't use it" is like saying not to criticize things like Brawl Meta Knight.

  • @mx.e2176
    @mx.e2176 5 років тому +1

    The depth you go into on this video is great. I think you reached some very logical and well thought out conclusions

  • @DeepSolid43
    @DeepSolid43 6 років тому +1

    Awesome video, def mad me want to play it, i didn't even know about the life meter in the first place

  • @gusolimue6286
    @gusolimue6286 6 років тому +2

    Awesome video! I'm so glad I didn't discover the power of the skeleton in NG+.

  • @FantasyJared
    @FantasyJared 6 років тому +8

    Fantastic video mate! I love what you said about optional not being immune to criticism, and that players WILL naturally abuse any overpowered items/weapons they find because they're using everything they have in order to win. I agree that the whole "Don't like it? Just don't use it!" argument is really shallow, and you can confirm it's a weak argument by simply playing any video game that has a broken tool to utilize. I'll totally admit that I abuse Metal Blade every time I play Mega Man 2 because not only is the game hard enough as is, but it's simply the most useful weapon that's in the game. If Metal Blade had, say, little ammunition or strictly horizontal fire, then it might've encouraged players to use different weapons. But as is, imbalance in one's apparatus or arsenal of weapons encourages cheap play, and diminishes challenge for all that it's worth.
    That's just my take though, fantastic analysis man! Can't wait to see what you think of King of Cards.

  • @sarcastic_ocupie1669
    @sarcastic_ocupie1669 3 роки тому +1

    In Plague of Shadows at the end credits Spectre knight is given the ending of “the lost locket” yacht games I guess pointed out that it was overpowered and put it in spectys lore and also to laugh at the joke and get angry for shovel knight commuting theft in a graveyard.

  • @xxrainbodkidxx5508
    @xxrainbodkidxx5508 4 роки тому

    I love the rail armor it allows such crazy stuff like extra long jumps invulnerability to spike which just makes speedrunning fun

  • @reshi606
    @reshi606 4 роки тому +6

    I like specter of torment the least out of the game modes. Specter is just so slow and cluncky that the new game + just isn't fun for me.

  • @habbomirror1236
    @habbomirror1236 5 років тому +3

    I rarely used the phase locket

  • @thefungus3632
    @thefungus3632 6 років тому +2

    I think it'll be interesting to see what items king knight has when that finally comes out. That lifesteal hammer thing seemed pretty broken to me.

    • @jacobsmash1
      @jacobsmash1 4 роки тому

      Lifesteal hammer turned out to be pretty hard to use, adding the risk/reward element all of the items should have.

  • @pikminman13
    @pikminman13 4 роки тому +1

    Going for the achievements, I find use out of a number of the curios. I still use the skull to top off if i really need it, since I feel I am already challenging myself with other conditions.

  • @thartmann9284
    @thartmann9284 3 роки тому

    Specty's New Game Plus also has a real neat interaction with the Raiment of Risk. As long as you make it to a level's first checkpoint, your attack reach and speed increases until you die, and your Darkness/Will Bar will actually regenerate, since the natural decay introduced by the mode is counteracted by the cloak's Darkness regen effect. You have to really limit your Curio usage though, since the regen won't act quickly enough to save you from a botched Judgement rush, and the lack of invincibility frames from failing to complete the move will likely make the next attack fatal.

  • @devilbowser253
    @devilbowser253 4 роки тому +2

    I actually never used most of these items the ones I used most were: chronos, hover plume, dread rush and the normal scythe I only used the soul in the most dire of times when I had a lot of damage to heal
    As for shovel of hope: dust knuckles, the anchor, flare wand and the gear of movement and first phase skipping I never used phase locket I love this video though so keep up the good work

  • @maxwaltham5853
    @maxwaltham5853 4 роки тому

    Just finished my first run of new game plus, definitely the best way to play specter knight's campaign I'm really glad you recommended it.
    I do think the will skull was clearly intended as a difficulty supplement given that they removed it from ng+.

  • @cadenshields129
    @cadenshields129 5 років тому

    A way I would balance the phase locket is that it could still make you invincible but at the same time you can’t damage enemies. Bounce off of them sure but not damage them. For the skull on the other hand is to either reduce the health healed or give you a boost of some kind like increased damage or defensive.

  • @Gardow
    @Gardow 6 років тому +7

    Before I go on this little tangent I'd like to say that I really enjoy your videos.
    How can you say the items are part of the intended experience when you have to go out of your way to find them? None of them appear on the main path, if you get them it's because you chose to go find them. It's less "don't like don't use" and more "why do you keep going out of your way to find them". The propeller dagger is a great example of this, you specifically have to drop in from the screen above to be able to go get it. This makes it very likely that first-time players won't find all of them.
    This is why the game isn't balanced around the items, it would be unfair to players who didn't find them. They aren't meant to be standard weapons in your inventory, they're a reward you get for going out of your way to find them. In risk/reward terms, the risk comes from you as the player diverging from the main path and going the extra mile to explore the unknown, the reward is the use you then get out of them item. The balance isn't perfect, but compare the items that are hard to miss to the items that are hard to get, and it becomes clear that the more effort it took to acquire, the easier it makes your play-through.
    It's less like the Metal Blade and more like Zero's saber in X3. Does it break the game? Yes. But is it just handed to you? No.
    And I'm not saying "it's optional so you can't critique it", but I am saying that being optional should play a part in how we think of them, not just brushed off to the side like a minor detail.

    • @HyveMindsGames
      @HyveMindsGames  6 років тому +5

      Well I think the presence of Chester in the hub world makes it pretty clear that they wanted players to have relatively easy access to all the items. And your point about whether the game is balanced around items or not brings up a whole new issue: the positive and negative feedback loops that can happen when you reward skilled players with things to make the game easier. Think about it this way. A struggling player who's just barely able to stumble through a level probably isn't going to find the hidden screens to get the items in the level. Plus, they're probably not going to finish the stage with very much money, thanks to shovel knight's death punishment system. So now what happens? This player who's already having a tough time with the game is going to have an even harder time getting access to the items that are supposedly there to help him. And trust me, there are people who are gonna have this hard a time. I saw a guy on reddit who could barely do the first stage because he didn't know that you can hold the button to jump higher, so he was falling into almost every pit over and over.
      And think about it from the other side (my side). I'm already doing fine with the game, and having no trouble finishing stages with lots of money and finding items for half price in the stages themselves. Now, thanks to my skill at the game, I'm being rewarded with items that make the game EVEN EASIER! Now I'm free to abuse these powerful items as much as I want and the game might as well just roll credits when a skilled player gets their hands on the phase locket or will skull or skellly sentry. (That's an exaggeration of course but you know what I mean.)
      Now these are somewhat extreme cases, but they illustrate my point. This is why I've never really liked when the big epic secret in a game like, just off the top of my head, Ratchet and Clank, rewards all your money collecting a secret hunting with a weapon that just completely breaks the game. I get that players want a significant reward for their efforts, and I'm not saying it's bad design to do this. But I don't really get much enjoyment from putting in a lot of effort just to be rewarded with something that completely breaks the game and sucks all the challenge out. Or in shovel knight's case, rewards some modest effort with something that sucks some of the challenge out. I prefer games that reward my hard effort with some further challenges. Like how the new Mario games that give you access to the secret super hard world once you've gotten x number of stars or whatever.
      I wrote a damn essay here and I feel like I've strayed away from the original point but I just had a long weekend camping and I am dead tired. But I appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment!

  • @MarioFanOnYouTube
    @MarioFanOnYouTube 5 місяців тому

    Very interesting video. I never had problems with relics or curios, because I didn't use them that much altogether, especially in Specter of Torment. I like the base moves and opening a list of items in the middle of action kinda wears off the excitement for me, so, yeah. I now understand why some of these could be overpowered for other types of players.

  • @theodorexenophon7612
    @theodorexenophon7612 6 років тому +18

    It’s like with the exp. share in the new Pokémon. Sure you can turn it off, but it shouldn’t be there in the first place. It renders most the grinding, team building, etc. pointless, because you know you don’t have to do it to progress and you’re essentially just wasting time. Time and effort spent on a game should feel productive in some way, not like some self imposed chore.

    • @librathebeautifulwarmonk1283
      @librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 5 років тому +10

      To be fair, grinding in Pokemon is God awful. Because NONE of the wild Pokemon will give nearly enough exp unless you're fighting Audinos or chanseys. It makes grinding a pain in the ass. The new exp share would be dumb if Pokemon was good at level curves

    • @TheGamersState
      @TheGamersState 5 років тому +3

      I mean, with Pokemon, the EXP Share is overall a moot point anyway because today's Pokemon games are easy even without the EXP Share. If you're an experienced Pokemon player that knows all the weaknesses and strengths to each type, that knowledge alone makes the game really easy.
      To me, the EXP Share is overkill so it really doesn't matter if it's on or off.

  • @kaydakitty3566
    @kaydakitty3566 3 роки тому

    I never thought of using items until entrantress when I used the lantern shield when realizing she was very projectile based and it let me hit her when she was beneath the platform

  • @magemajora
    @magemajora 4 роки тому +1

    In my new game plus, I would speed through plague knights stage with the judgement rush and rail mail

  • @user-Insane_Ails
    @user-Insane_Ails 4 роки тому +1

    I never used the phase locket in my first shovel knight playthrough i only used it for the level that needed it but then i just like threw it away.

  • @Snow_Pulse
    @Snow_Pulse 5 років тому

    This is amazing 🙌🏼🙌🏼

  • @mx.e2176
    @mx.e2176 5 років тому

    I played Specter if Torment on a Wiimote. I think it’s the only game I’ve played that was fast and comfortable while I used it, which I think is a really impressive feat.

  • @goorenn
    @goorenn 5 років тому

    Wow I actually never got the skeleton item when I played through the game and didn’t even know it was a thing until now.

  • @tear959
    @tear959 2 роки тому

    Before watching these videos, I never thought the will skull/phase lockets could break the game like that, honestly, I didnt understood this in the first time, because I never used phase lockets to break the game and always tried to create strategies with the sub weapons (not by implying house rules lol), but it was just my personal experience

  • @greenoftreeblackofblue6625
    @greenoftreeblackofblue6625 5 років тому

    I happen to use all items when playing shovel knight and mostly the vat when i got it on plague knight

  • @zerozerito14
    @zerozerito14 6 років тому +1

    I loved Specter Knight campaing, new game + was definitely a blast and the fight against the dark knight was a pain in the *ss
    I definitely agree with what you say about the items, everything should have their own niche, not much to say, very good and enjoyable video overall (i watched it entirely)

  • @rismu1972
    @rismu1972 4 роки тому

    to be fair you can leave the skeletal sentry out and use other curios at the same time, so while it me be broken, at least it doesn't discourage using other curios at the same time.

  • @misu1200
    @misu1200 5 років тому

    Thx for the protip, ive never even tried the doot boy

  • @Zubatticus
    @Zubatticus 6 років тому +3

    Specter Knight to be the next Straw Hat?! I'm digging your analysis videos! Have you considered doing them for a different game?

    • @HyveMindsGames
      @HyveMindsGames  6 років тому +1

      Totally! Just trying to get as much mileage out of those two popular shovel knight videos as I can. Kingdom Hearts might be next in line for an analysis.

    • @Zubatticus
      @Zubatticus 6 років тому +1

      Not the Bees Now I'm really excited! That's a series I'm well versed in!

  • @dylanjackson8262
    @dylanjackson8262 5 років тому

    You are correct that the phase locket is a bit op. I think it was intended that you'd use the locket to dodge an attack here and there that you don't know how to dodge, or help you if you're not that great at avoiding spikes. That's how I used it, at least. After playing it a few times, I stopped using the locket entirely. I don't think spamming it was ever the intent. It really should've had a higher cost. Also, it should've prevented you from damaging enemies. You ARE phasing through them, after all!

  • @tackwardsfongjump1800
    @tackwardsfongjump1800 5 років тому

    Hope king knight has something like this in his NG+

  • @csteegs8681
    @csteegs8681 6 років тому

    Idk, for how I played, I found Specter Knight's homing slash (not the curio, just his jumping attack) to be the most OP lol just spam them bosses. Plague Knight had the toughest campaign for me as well as the more balanced items imo. Great vid, always enjoy your Shovel Knight stuff.

  • @thecrimsonaxe6037
    @thecrimsonaxe6037 5 років тому

    I never really used the sentry. I use the bounding soul a lot because it usually hits eventually. I did spam the will skull though.
    Edit: the barrier lantern is OP if you ask me.

  • @darklusare7582
    @darklusare7582 4 роки тому +2

    5:31 Get Over it with Specter of Torment

  • @TheXBladeist
    @TheXBladeist 6 років тому +1

    Well, this video was fun to watch. If I ever buy this game and the expansions, I'll go unusing these,.

  • @veronicalee3262
    @veronicalee3262 6 років тому +2

    good video man

  • @nock4632
    @nock4632 4 роки тому

    Nice, please make more shovel knight videos

  • @rasu3445
    @rasu3445 5 років тому +2

    6:33 um... excuse me? best curio in the game hands down.

  • @QuartzIsAnOxide
    @QuartzIsAnOxide 4 роки тому +5

    King Knight: I'm about to end this man's whole career

  • @objectionable6693
    @objectionable6693 3 роки тому

    For myself, I just found Specter Knight's regular gameplay to be so fun I never really bothered with the items. It's interesting to hear the perspective of someone who did

  • @dylanjackson8262
    @dylanjackson8262 5 років тому

    I wish that combining your health and magic was a thing for all campaigns, at LEAST via cheat code.

  • @cullenlatham2366
    @cullenlatham2366 4 роки тому

    you know how i figured out mr bones is OP? i accidentally (not realizing it was equipped) threw him out against polar knight just as he ran past me and before i can even blink i get the damage-less boss fight achievement. it shredded him in less than 5 seconds. even outside of NG+, specter was the character i experimented the most with and learned some surprisingly useful items for scenarios. for example, bounding soul and the spider scythe can both collect money bags, and are safer than the risk involved jumping into a pit after them. the different angles and ability to stick to surfaces give them unique uses.

  • @sunburst2740
    @sunburst2740 4 роки тому

    i wonder
    If the will skull wasnt removed
    What would it do
    I have a few possibilities
    Because it refills WILL and in new game + will is thanos snapped out of existence so the skull would just use darkness and give nothing
    OR
    it would use an amount of darkness and give back an equal amount of darkness and cancel it out or give a grater amount
    So basically infinite healing
    What do you think

  • @logantoth4592
    @logantoth4592 5 років тому

    Never used phase locket except ones on a level with a bunch a spikes But I never use it again

  • @blinkingberry9591
    @blinkingberry9591 4 роки тому

    Ha, I'm terrible at knowing when to use items, so I barely used the phase locket and the sentry. Seriously, I only beat the enchantress on Specter's NG+ without curios because I didn't know what curios to use.

  • @drakengarfinkel3133
    @drakengarfinkel3133 6 років тому

    Seriously, I loved this mode because it turned the whole game into a speedrun, and it's clear the devs had this in mind. The Rail Mail platforms perfectly in the explodatorium and the raiment of risk also allows for a fun, yet challenging way of subverting the main restriction of NG+. And yes, judgement rush is the most overpowered curio for this mode. I actually never ended up using the skeletal sentry because I a) understood it was a high-level item that required the training I didn't feel like putting in, and b) I was more comfortable using items such as judgement rush, chronos coin, and feather that I both enjoy more and think are ultimately more useful. BTW, I think the hardest boss in specter knight NG+ is the revamped black knight near the end of the game. I spent an hour on that guy and ultimately beat him only through patience and memorizing his move set because nothing else really worked on him. Actually, it felt just like Dark Souls.

    • @Mullkaw
      @Mullkaw 5 років тому

      interesting, in NG+ I had so much more trouble with the Enchantress than any other Specty boss

  • @ExValeFor
    @ExValeFor 4 роки тому

    I cant believe I never once even attempted to use the skeleton on bosses. I think I might be daft.

  • @hollyfindlay4051
    @hollyfindlay4051 3 роки тому

    Specty's ng+ was the only one i beat. It was by far the most enjoyable. Plus, his campaign and basic moveset are by far the best anyway. I will admit, I discovered that using the apparel that let's you break checkpoints to regen darkness does break this mode. It makes it super easy and ruins the satisfaction.

  • @baval5
    @baval5 6 років тому +1

    AVGN once said that the design of Castlevania was to make using items during the level appealing, but that smart players would save their hearts for the bosses because the right item can cripple a boss who was normally very difficult with the whip. The same seems to be true with Shovel Knight, but the checkpoints right before the bosses ensure that no matter how many items you used getting to the boss youre only 1 death away from a full magic bar to use on the boss. With Specter and Plague Knight this is even more of a problem, because they both have ways to regain their items during the boss fight while Shovel at least has to use them wisely.
    If the boss checkpoint was removed in favor of one that was say halfway through the level in NG+ then item use would feel more fair for Shovel who would have to conserve items in level and Specter who would have to play well to get to the boss with significant darkness. Plague would still have unlimited though...

    • @HyveMindsGames
      @HyveMindsGames  6 років тому

      That's an interesting solution, I had never considered how the location of checkpoints effects the power level of items

  • @lancelot717
    @lancelot717 4 роки тому +1

    While the Will Skull and the Phase locket are absolutely fucking busted and trivialize challenge (Mister Bonez to a lesser degree), All the items have the potential to just break levels. One of Shovel Knight's most obvious inspirations is the Mega Man series, and a huge part of those games is utilizing the right abilities from certain bosses on others to dunk on them. One of the biggest draws to those games was figuring out the correct setup to cheese bosses and your real skill came from maneuvering the stages in the most effective way possible. I was actually surprised you weren't more upset with the items you get from Propeller Knight in Shovel Knight and Specty's campaigns (and the Knuckles) as they make platforming in most cases an absolute cakewalk.
    Also, Horace's minigame with optimal Judgement Rush use is peak Specter Knight gameplay.

  • @-ism8153
    @-ism8153 Рік тому

    I think that unobtrusive difficulty modes, the kind that you don't need to actively select, should feel slightly cheesy and suboptimal, perhaps involving abnormal gameplay. Say, waiting for platforms instead of taking risky jumps; looking for environment clues in a puzzle game. In Terraria, you can beat some bosses easily, even the one meant to be near-unbeatable, with complex machines and arenas- it's just a matter of how low you're willing to stoop. I've also heard about a boss in Dark Souls that you can shoot with arrows before the boss fight, which seems like a great idea. Thinking about it more, the phase locket seems like less of a problem: at least to me, it didn't feel like an obvious route to spam the phase locket, but I imagine a player turning to it when very frustrated and looking for possibilities.
    Admittedly, it didn't occur to me to use the items that often at all, so I might be a bad example. Or maybe you're meant to not see to use them until you need to, in which case I'm a perfect example.

  • @devastatheseeker9967
    @devastatheseeker9967 6 років тому +1

    Anyone know when the king will come?

  • @giraffedragon6110
    @giraffedragon6110 4 роки тому

    Personally yeah I can see that the skeleton sentry is really good and yeah if I have it I'll use it but the immediate problem I have with the Enchantress fight is that the blocks can be destroyed by both her and you meaning that part of your literal ground is dependent on RNG I fucking hate that. Especially when this campaign encourages you to jump around to gain that air dash/slash. This was the fight where I found a use for the bouncy orbs. because when a foe stands still and then darts around the screen lasting like 10 or more seconds is good. also I liked using the barrier more than the skull because of the blocks that attack you before the enchantress encounter.

  • @MarshallLeeFlames
    @MarshallLeeFlames 3 місяці тому

    I know this will sound weird, but Phase Locket is the safe option overall, right, no discussion on that, but it is not the optimal. For example, against Specter Knight, I realized that using the Fire Wand is even more broken against Specter and the Enchantress Phase 1 than just playing defensively. The Flying Dagger can really be useful for the Phase 2. The Chaos Orb works like a charm on the Plague Knight battle. Yes, we have a broken item, but it our responsability to discover that other items are broken on the right scenarios.

  • @corbinbarron8772
    @corbinbarron8772 5 років тому

    I always used the throwing sickle to collect money I dropped I couldn’t get with the hover plume

    • @jaymun_1331
      @jaymun_1331 4 роки тому

      You could do that ?
      Seriously?!
      I could have done that instead of YEETing my self into the abyss of a pit

  • @chatotalks5325
    @chatotalks5325 6 років тому +1

    you remind me of a channel called "Lambhoot", You 2 seem to make similar stuff

  • @ninjanoafa8636
    @ninjanoafa8636 3 роки тому

    I love specter knight, I have played it over 12 times and beatenNew game plus at least once the story is amazing and I love specter Knight abilities and the ghostly garb is just sick.

  • @ryanholcomb2612
    @ryanholcomb2612 5 років тому

    I love the secret final boss

  • @SyRose901
    @SyRose901 4 роки тому +1

    what if SoH NG+ had no refill of mana whatsoever throughout the level? And Phase Locket costs ya 25% of your maximum mana? And Dust Knuckles had a cooldown of 5 seconds?

  • @francisbond5605
    @francisbond5605 Рік тому

    didn't even use phase locket that much in shovel knight, but I see what you mean

  • @Thedarkglave360
    @Thedarkglave360 4 роки тому

    Will there be a King Knight video any time soon?

  • @supermechamaker637
    @supermechamaker637 4 роки тому

    not gonna lie,but yeah ik the fusioned will and darkness darin down,but when they reach it's end,you can't die(unless you'll be damaged),but there are still curios that are still usable even it's ALL EMPTY like the scythe boomberang or more alike (if no,then it's just me lol)

  • @themurderersfolley5995
    @themurderersfolley5995 4 роки тому

    Chaos Sphere is Skeletal Sentry for shovel knight

  • @TheJadeFist
    @TheJadeFist 5 років тому +5

    I'm going to say, that items are part of the intended game. The game is fairly light hearted and doesn't take itself too seriously, so while yes some items could have been better balanced as you put it. Saying that they aren't communicating to the player that they don't need them, isn't true either. The items are all optional to buy, and there several different feats/ achievements for not using them or otherwise limiting yourself for time or upgrades.
    And that's one thing this game does well, is it allows the player to set limits on themselves, without making the game impossible or requiring exploits.

  • @giantenemyfool
    @giantenemyfool 5 років тому +1

    One cure...
    THE CHEAT CODE FOR GET HIT ONCE = DEAD.
    I’ve tried it myself for each campaign, and I managed to get Shovel Knight at the boss-rush level, while beating both Plague and Specter campaigns. Not only does it require you to take your time and memorize attack patterns while providing difficulty, but it forces you to use almost EVERY relic in your arsenal. I recommend trying it out for you guys, sure it may make you cripple in rage, but it’s a Dark-Souls experience you won’t forget.
    Fun fact: I died exactly 1,358 times in Specter of Torment. Plus you get bragging rights, so checkmate... YOU get good, scrub.

  • @foreignwun8585
    @foreignwun8585 4 роки тому +1

    Specter Knights new game plus has you be quick and efficient or die

  • @joaopeixoto6224
    @joaopeixoto6224 3 роки тому

    i neve rused the skeleton ever i always used the boomerang bcs i liked it xd
    for the enchantress i used barrier at start and then the scythe trap thingy
    on normal

  • @thechaffriot8730
    @thechaffriot8730 4 роки тому

    I have played through specter of torment normal 2 times and ng+ 2 times and i never onced used the skeleton sniper because i thought it was a bad weapon. I was wrong

  • @raw-b6658
    @raw-b6658 4 роки тому +2

    Brooke is my favorite straw hat crew member❤️

  • @kestanecihasanpubg
    @kestanecihasanpubg 3 роки тому

    im glad i thought will skull was a one use curio because it sounded so op so i never bought it

  • @tototootootwotwo
    @tototootootwotwo 4 роки тому

    It's funny, I've almost finished completing everything to do in the game, and I don't think I've ever used the Phase Locket outside of the one level designed for it. I'm not saying this to disagree or anything, but I never considered it at all. The same goes for the Skeletal Sentry, until I got to halfway through Specter Knight's NG+.

  • @squawk-box
    @squawk-box 4 роки тому

    a good argument against the idea that optional = uncritiquable; all content is intended content. yacht club games didn't put the phase locket, will skull and skeletal sentry in because they wanted them to go unused. they put those in under the impression someone was going to see them, use them, and have an opinion on them.

    • @squawk-box
      @squawk-box 4 роки тому

      additionally, by their same logic, imagine a competitive fighting game got a new character added as DLC, and that character was overpowered. are the people who play the competitive fighting game NOT allowed to critique that character for being unbalanced, simply because the character is DLC, and therefore optional?

    • @squawk-box
      @squawk-box 4 роки тому

      or even; you didn't have to buy shovel knight if you didn't like shovel knight. by their logic, you aren't allowed to critique ANY elements of shovel knight, period. which is completely nonsensical reasoning.

  • @battleapple6718
    @battleapple6718 5 років тому +1

    well let's hope they fix this in king of cards

  • @magemajora
    @magemajora 4 роки тому

    I spent 2 months beating new game plus, but I had the butt code on and didn’t get it instantly done

  • @TornadoHyenyaku
    @TornadoHyenyaku 4 роки тому

    Dang, I just started playing as Specty not so long ago, and though I have bought almost everything, I still not having the will skull in my pocket =)) :V

  • @nathanhewitt4617
    @nathanhewitt4617 4 роки тому

    *Angry dust knuckle noises*

  • @alexurdahl4227
    @alexurdahl4227 5 років тому

    For Specter knight new game plus I didn’t really use items at all lol, not cuz I limited myself but cuz it takes away life. Also I never knew skely boi was so op

  • @MarshallLeeFlames
    @MarshallLeeFlames 3 місяці тому

    "NG+ is the hardest gaming experience of my life."
    I just did the "Checkpointless, No Will No Darkness Upgrade and 60000 Gold Ending" Run and let me tell you, it's nightmare fuel.

  • @andychua2766
    @andychua2766 5 років тому +1

    I think the best way to play shovel knight is to play it like a speedrunner find the fastest way to beat a level with the items. The feats recommend that you learn to speedrun beating the game in less than an 1h and 30min needs you to use you're items that does not slow you down like in shovel of hope chaos orb the bosses get good at platforming the locket is too slow.