There's a little known trick you can do on the Quest 3 that I discovered by accident. If you start up UA-cam VR, watch a 360 video or 180vr if you wish, then you quickly press the Meta-Menu button, now you have 2 options Resume Or Quit, well you have a 3rd option actually, you can select the menu bar underneath, open 3 browser instances (or even apps), and now you have 4 apps open, you can for example work with 3 screens - while surrounded by a 360 video playing as your environment. You're welcome!
Cool! One drawback is you can do 8k stream on Quest browser in UA-cam but not in the UA-cam VR app. In 360 vids recorded in 8-16K (like Air Pano), it makes a huge difference imo.
UA-cam 8k works through Skybox VR. Was stunned to find all 80 of my VR180 files were there in 8k. Bummer it costs $, but it was worth it for me.@@colin6852
@@colin6852 the UA-cam app recently updated. So it now supports 4k videos which it did not do before. I have not checked resolutions higher than that tho
We have to aknowlage the fact that all these small but convenient things the vision pro has over quest 3 are most likley accesable only if you have bought into the Apple ecosystem. If you don't have an IPhone, you most likley can't send messages easily like what was shown. If you don't have an Apple keyboard, you most likley can't get that handy widget showing you what you're writing. This would significantly shorten the gap between the vision pro and the quest 3, that in my opinion wasn't that large of a gap anyways. This is all while ignoring the price, as if you take that into considering, I would just automatically pick the Quest 3 as it is so much more affordable compared to the Vision Pro.
It has cotroller support (just like iPad and iPhone games) and it accept PS or Xbox controllers and this is same for keyboards and mouses (only criteria it must be a bluetooth capable device, but can be paired with different manufacturers product , just like PS or Xbox cotrollers..)
@@TamasKiss-yk4st But if you pair a random bluetooth keyboard, do you get that handy widget thing (by "handy widget thing" I mean the little window just above the keyboard that shows you what you're typing, the one that was also tracked and followed the keyboard around)? And does the sms app work with any phone? If not, then my statement is still true. As for controllers, It's great that you can have any modern console controller paired with any of the two headsets, but IMO having reglar VR controllers in box with every purchase is a hard win for quest 3 (mostly because gaming is what I use VR for). If you only really care about playing flatscreen games in VR or games that support using a regular controler, then this doesn't really effect you.
the vision pro doesnt actually connect properly to your iphone. i saw a video about it, and for me its such an odd thing for apple to do, cause it goes against what they usually do, even if what they do often lack features
I would like to say that Meta has free apps like Meta Workspaces and 3rd Party app Immersed (free and paid versions) that allow for much more flexibility with screens for your computer and also allow Zoom calls with your avatar. I'm surprised you showed some apps like that, but didn't really show that there is almost no difference aside from screen fidelity. Quest 3 is phenomenal for the price. Apple Vision Pro would be great to have, but even as an Apple Fanboy, that price point just isn't anything more than a flex.
100% agree. Fidelity is pretty much the only real world meaningful improvement the Apple Vision Pro has over other VR headsets. And to some that’s the only thing that matters so cool, go for it. And I agree watching movies on this is one of the best movie watching VR experiences out there. But it’s not really a game changer or revolutionary IMO. Most productivity and work require connecting to a laptop or desktop and then you’d be better off using your laptop with multiple monitors than trying to use the AVP. It may get there at some point, but I have a feeling that everyone else will likely close the gap on resolution by the time Apple’s VR ecosystem is mature enough to make more sense in purchasing.
@@heyjustjam a person that uses vr mostly for entertaiment for almost 7 years now and idk what apple is going with it because years ago profecional VR was mostly used for companies that use it for a realistic development on programs that needed a perspective for entertaiment or research and could handle the workforce like the AeroVarjo and quest pro but using it like a computer? I Agree on that tho, ill rather use my mac or computer in the normal way then what apple is trying to do
Its purely an image product... A perception builder. Sacrificing comfort, usability & price for image says all about the AVP. With its front loaded form factor when they already decided to split the battery, glass, alumimum, the lenticular frontal screen, all add weight. Like you said, people that actually do productivity, proffesional design work with mixed reality already had something like the varjo, which still has better passthrough. Limited battery life & processing diminishes productivity. The product does have its merits but its main purpose as of now is marketing.
At this point it should be clear enough that everyone claiming that Immersed or Workspaces are "the same" are either straight up lying or just happily ignorant - not having used both themselves. But that won't stop people from repeating this ad nauseum for the next three decades. More of this "oh ya sure but like, aside from fidelity..." bullshit. Are you all using 1280x768 monitors? Gee willickers, I wonder whyever not!? I mean there's no obviously no meaningful difference between those and 4K monitors aSiDe FrOm ViSuAl FiDeLiTy!
@@Rokmononov that’s the thing though, everyone IS giving them credit for making a higher resolution headset. It’s a MEANINGFUL improvement and looks fantastic. One of if not the best out there in that regard. The issue is beyond that the current AVP as it is today offers less flexibility than what we have seen on the market and that is disappointing. It’s like making a car that can go WAY faster but can only turn left for now. Not great if you’re trying to have a car to do actual work with. At the same time a car that’s can turn left AND right but is super slow is a painful experience. It’s why nobody really uses headsets for general computing work and only very niche applications. I’ve used mine for reviewing building plans which was extremely helpful to walk through the building before we approved plans. More pixels is AWESOME but unfortunately isn’t revolutionary and even in my niche use case wouldn’t have changed outcomes or productivity… in fact I don’t even think it would be possible to do with the AVP right now. I use apple products almost exclusively because I love their software and it streamlines my workflows. I don’t see how AVP is doing that at the moment. It doesn’t even really work well with an iPhone right now which is CRaZy to me. Hardware is great, but without something you can DO with I’m not super excited.
You can watch movies in a passthrough on Quest 3... Play movie on PC and use VD and set background to pass-through. Could be useful if you want a huge screen and still want to be able to view your environment to keep tabs on a child, for example.
There’s quite a few apps that let you watch movies in pass through, and directly in the meta apps too I think. It’s a great alternative to when you want to shut out the rest of the world in your own private cinema, or you can watch a movie whilst keeping an eye on the kids
Thanks for the comparison video, I don't have any doubts that AVP is amazing but that price difference is huge. You could add a Cat Walk C 2 $1000 and a BHaptic Suit for $500, and get 2 additional Quest 3 for family members, and still be less.
@@liamcollinson5695 Yeah and it could literally be a very high end pc on top of that. The vision pro also needs cords and I hated the cords on older vr headsets.
@@MobileDecayits not coming to quest they said there will be no more update for quest from the quality, and the realisticness is not quite good for me so i rather apple vision pro its more futuristic
Immersed allows for video in meetings like Zoom. I imagine it works for video calls. Because it sets up a camera in virtual reality you can move around your avatar.
Thatr's the way I interact with it and it's a little creepy because to me when my finger hits the window, it feels like I've touched something... even though there's no haptics.
@@TheoWerewolf that's called phantom sense. It get's even more creepy in social vr applications like vrchat. Gave me the chills the first time someone gave me a headpat
Quest 3 and the Immersed app is a productivity monster when pair even with a half decent computer. Hell, I have the ROG Ally which I use with Immersed a hour a day for my coding class and it works so well.
Yeah … I love immersed for work. I also use big screen for work sometimes. I’ll go into a public room to watch a movie and then open up my own remote desktop window inside it and work while I’m watching the movie
@@footballpig8820 yeah it'll totally work as the Ally is essentially a full Windows 11 laptop crammed into a handheld. I use it with a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard in Immersed. I have a full-fledged gaming PC with a triple monitor setup but there's something pretty cool about working with 5 virtual monitors and a handheld PC in VR. 😂
Estimates have put the cost of parts & mfg for the Quest 3 @ about $430 & ignores unknown R&D, software dev & long term support & other similar misc costs. They are almost certainly taking a loss on at least the $500 model. Apparently the VP costs about $1700 in parts & mfg. So same as an Android phone, the cheaper price is in no small part down to the $s they anticipate making in harvesting user/age data.
they are selling quest at no profit or u can say at loss but getting money on the other things like subscription and things like that. they are trying to make quest successful. props to meta for the quest. they really did great jon 500 mark. tbh on a business point of view quest is obviously underprices and vision pro is like oveeeeeer priced lol.
After spending about 12hrs on Vision Pro, this is my conclusion: 1. Quest 3 does everything Vision Pro does (apart of eye tracking) 2. Vision Pro doesn't do everything Quest 3 does, but the ones it does do, it does it much better So basically like comparing Ferrari to BMW let's say, one is 4 times more expensive only to be better in some areas..... And no one will say Ferrari better value than BMW
@@musictheory4u153 You can do the same with Immersed on Quest 3..... Not really a groundbreaking thing.... What is more impressive is playing an Assassin Creed full blown game at 4K in 360 VR.... That's more impressive than anything M2 shown so far
Immersed on quest will do up to 5 screens that you can position anywhere and will do video chat with your avatar an d show your immersed environment in the background.
I felt like this comparison was in favor of Vision Pro. You just demonstrated what ALL the Vision Pro can do and compared it what alternatives Quest have. You compared a productivity headset to a GAMING headset where the Meta shines. You didn't even feature the Touch controllers, PCVR capabilities, mod-ability, and the beta-MR to name a few. Quest is an Android - so it inherently has the advantages of Android (and disadvantages). It's not Apples vs Apples. It's Apples vs a Fruit Salad (Quest can be a productivity tool if you want it to be). I'm disappointed. But this is a personal comparison so, to each his own.
It's not really a fair comparison to include things a Vision pro can't do. I liked this review because it was 2 headsets, hand tracking, and productive peripherals only, where the end results were extremely similar. Sure, there's some research and trouble shooting to be done for productivity on the quest, but once it's set up, you're good to go, for 7x less. The Vision Pro is definitely looking smoother out of the box for productivity which is cool for apple users.
Wow i was thinking the EXACT same thing. 🎉I actually literally just uploaded a video about immersed using my quest 3 on my YT channel and I'm super impressed. 3 virtual screens for free !😊
@user-mf1qm2oz3b How is anything from the vision pro compelling compared to the quest. It's barely if not even, a vr headset. All of it is just purely AR based. And most of its more "unique" features are locked to Apple product users. You'd just be wasting 3.5k for being a fan boy and that's it.
apple wants you to buy stuff. Want to watch 3D movies? Pay disney+ and make sure you use apple pay from the apple store so they get a cut. Don't have that movie you want? Too bad. Apple devices are a cage, used an iphone for 4 years, i won't make that mistake again
Yeah... i filled my quest 3 512gb with torrented movies on skybox vr.... apple sells every film made in apple tv app... all i had to do was get Android file transfer and connect the Q3 via usbc... maybe you can airdrop files to apple VP... but haven seen a video player for VP... air drop would be super slow...
Also wanted to mention that you totally can watch a video in passthrough on the quest 3 or 2. You just open a video in the browser and push it into full screen, do it with crunchieroll all the time
Quest 3 has many apps/games that allow you to socialise/interact with other users online, such as watching movies, explore VR worlds, etc. Vision Pro users might feel a bit lonely.
Especially when watching movies. Big Screen offers a great social experience, be it watching movies in public areas or inviting friends in more intimate settings. I thought Big Screen offered 3D movies for pay. They have 3D movie trailers.
@@tyleradams3490 Unfortunately, it won't change for the Vision pro, I sent mine back, all the TikTok videos are paid ads. Also it costs x7 and Quest can do the same things
Not really. FaceTime supports SharePlay and they already have a lot of developer documentation on the future sharing options that utilise personas. Devs can also just do their own thing if they like. RecRoom has already been announced for example
Oh god. VR/AR social media is going to be the next big f-up in pop culture from Apple. Then again, most people are already there with their smart phones. Vanilla ice was right, the 90's(early to mid 90's that is) was the greatest decade before computers ruined the world. lol Don't get me wrong, VR gaming and mixed reality can be awesome and all, and i'm a huge fan of stereoscopic 3D, but the VR/AR social media aspect/features are going to take things another step further and prevent a lot of people from actually leaving their houses and socializing/having real world interactions. It has the potential to destroy people who suffer with social anxiety, instead of taking the time and actually working on their problems. I guess in the end it's all about balance. Do whatever you want at the end of the day and what makes you happy. I just prefer the simpler times. The 90's had the perfect balance of technology and pop culture, before the internet crept in during the tail-end of the 90's/early 2000's.
I think what he means is there's no streaming 3d content like there is on the vision, you have to download your own 3d movies to a pc or server to watch it on the quest
The voice command on Q3 may only work in the US, but you failed to mention (in this video) that the Vision Pro is only available in the US. So I've got that one down as a tie
If you want to use the keyboard in VR mode, it has to be one it know, I think. I know thjey were adding a feature to let you mark where yourkeyboard is IRL and how big it is so you cna have it either passthrough or be represented in VR - but with the Logitech it can render a 1 to 1 model of it in VR
Imho, I'm just gonna write it once, and let it sink well: How surprising that people keep on comparing the products where they're literally so different in nature, and targeting different users, no to mention the price. *The PRICE is the BIGGEST DEAL HERE!* Period. Period. Period.
Even I wasn't aware that the latency for fast movement on hand tracking was better on Q3. I guess the years of iteration and testing of the AI algorithms has been paying off.
Apple has been doing a very closed doors design, while Meta reality labs (oculus) has always been an openly transparent VR company that's now shifted to mainstream consumer marketing with over a Decades worth of R&D in the space. After nearly 3 years of hand tracking data from quest 2 the experience was really refined. Meta is currently testing fully 3D models for our hands next, now that quest 3 has full color and a depth sensor. Theyre also working on a more refined AR OS experience due some time in the coming months.
It's one of the things that many reviewers failed to mention, as well as the blur you get when moving moving your head fast. Theres seems to be a lot of post-processing going on in the AVP that creates this blur/lag, while Meta opted for a more grainy but low latency image which helps a lot to combat fatique and motion sickness. The Quest 3 also supports 120 Hz which is really nice.
I've been saying this for the last week when friends ask me about the Vision Pro, since I am the "VR guy". My Q3 can do all the same stuff. I would expect the Vision Pro to do it better, but, $3000 better? Probably not.
The cost of the device is the consequence of having the best tech in you possibly can in the headset. The microOLEDs alone are more expensive to produce than the entirety of the Quest 3. Sure, you can cut corners, and even make a loss on the device like Meta, but at the end of the day, value is subjective, but in an objective sense, Apple probably takes a much smaller profit margin on this device than they historically do on Macs and iPhones because those devices have mature technology and economies of scale.
Yeah that's basically my response too. The quest 3 will do basically everything the Vision Pro will do at about 90-95% of the quality, and it'll do a lot that the vision pro can't do and for $3000 less. Is $3000 really worth that 5-10% bump in quality?
@@ViridianFlowIt's like someone with a sub-4k TV eyeing off a new OLED TV-both TVs will display content. But the OLED TV will do it so much nicer. The UI will be newer and snappier, and overall, it'll be a much nicer experience. Whether one can justify the significant price jump is an individual choice. The quest 3 is great for the price point. But it's not on the same level as the VP.
Vision Pro uses Lidar for basic hand tracking, ideal for simple interactions like isolating hands from VR scenes. Oculus, however, translates movements into 3D VR hands, enhancing immersion and usability in VR apps where real hands aren’t needed. Oculus's approach offers deeper interaction for VR environments.
Great video Mike. From the video, it seemed that, for the most part, it was software limitations that held the Quest 3 back rather than lacking specific hardware? Is that correct? Do you think that with some software updates, the Quest 3 could potentially replicate most of the AVP features that it lacked at the time of this video?
AVP will definitely push Meta harder than before. They’ve never really had any serious competition up until now. Most don’t realize this but Apple getting into this market is good for everyone []-)
@@VirtualRealityOasis absolutely, it's better for Meta to have someone to respond to instead of being the leader everybody else was imitating. I expect Meta's software and UI will rapidly improve now thanks to Apple.
@@SavMu I tried out the spatial videos that are now on Quest 3 and don't get how this is even a feature. Does Apple not know that VR porn has existed for 8 years and looks miles better than this.
How about the visual quality of the view? Watching movies on my Quest 3 just doesn't do it for me as the resolution is a bit to low and you don't really have a clear screen. Is this a better experience on the Vision?
You don't even notice the resolution on the Vision Pro, the 8K clips they show in the demo I tried were flawless. I never saw a pixel or screen door once in the entire experience.
@@PJZombie Or he was paid to do this comparison. This content creator definitely plays in VR and is aware of all of these things. Why would he leave them out?
Thanks for comparison Im here since quest 2 release. I always want to buy Oculus quest but didn't have money to buy but now i recently started working so im saving money to buy quest 3 I will edit this comment once i but quest 3 Count down began from now
No. However, the small windows do appear larger and very clear depending on how you position them. The cameras themselves are set to a fixed distance that helps keep you upright. If they zoomed and you moved it would likely be very nauseating.
There's also Skybox VR on Quest 3 which is great for watching movies (even full 3D 180 or 360 which I haven't seen demonstrated on AVP) with lots of viewing options. And there's Immersed which lets you connect to a Macbook / Laptop for doing full desktop productivity just like AVP.
So you tried to make the Quest 3 into the AVP and got about 75% of the way there (and you didn't even dive into side loading android apps, which will get you 90% there). Now try to make the AVP into a Quest 3 and play real VR games (not steam games on a flat virtual screen) and see how close you can get.
Correct me if im wrong here but since you can use a browser in passthrough on the quest 3 couldnt i just go to netflix and watch a movie in passthrough mode that way?
As for the texting. If you have an android (Dont know if it works with iPhone). Use the link to pc and get everything from your phone on your pc. If your Quest 3 is connected to the same pc, you can text, call, etc.
A quick thing to note about the Quest 3 virtual keyboard. You can swipe to text. Makes everything alot quicker without typing with one letter at a time.
Yeah, I figured they'd have nailed that out of the gate all given. Not that I would have dropped $3500 on a headset anyway, but if I was considering it, that would have been a deal breaker.
Apple uses inferior techniques for hand tracking. It wasn't designed for gaming so they didn't use techniques that allow for faster tracking. They screwed the pooch in that department. They never think ahead. I hear they may add that feature next gen. Hahahaha
I'm almost ready to jump into VR again myself (I was an early adopter, with the HTC Vive Gen 1). The clunkiness, lens fogging, and low resolution really turned me off early on, but overall it sure seems to have gotten better. I'm interested in seeing what the Meta Quest Pro 2 improves (and if they learned from the mistakes of the first one. Their crappy greyscale passthrough was a dumb decision). If it's a Quest 3, but better, I might go for it. Curious about the rumoured Index 2 for PCVR as well.
Did you ever try side loading of Android apps to the Quest 3? I haven't tried it in a while but at least in theory the device could run most android apps just floating in space. It is a shame they never officially supported this as a feature.
The Apple Vision Pro really is not that expensive when you consider it's literally replacing your MacBook, plus giving you an amazing OLED TV / theater room, plus all the AR stuff. To me the only hesitation on getting one is comfort - since it's too heavy to hear for long periods of time. I just hope the 'cheap' lighter plastic version of this doesn't drop the OLED or decrease resolution to keep costs down - I want all the features, but just drop the metal and "glass" and make it as light as possible, and focus everything on comfort, Apple.
Uhm, no it's NOT replacing your MacBook unless you really have minimal use cases. Even Apple promotes it as a way to move the MacBook's screen into VR for producitivity, and the Quest is just as capable with movies and TV. The only real advantage is higher res, but again - 7x the cost for maybe 40% more pixels.
@@TheoWerewolf its got an M2, and can absolutely replace your laptop for most users - and give you a lot more screen space. You need a mouse and keyboard - but you can absolutely sit at a desk and use this as your laptop for 95% of people. However the issue is comfort - and if you only want to wear it for an hour at a time - that’s the issue. In any case, the Quest 3 already does a great job, and this is next-gen from there. With the much improved optics and oLEDs - this is some stunning hardware. Also I hope this pushes Meta to bring back OLEDs - I’ll pay and extra $100 or so for them - they make watching movies in VR so much better than the grayish black levels on the Quest 3.
Good stuff. But your gestures are kinda weird. Why do you squeeze ur fingers to type or press button in meta when u can actually hit the keyboard ur press buttons with ur index fingers like u normally do in real life?. I have the latest update of meta 2 but cannot find spatial vids in files. I only have one folder “This headset”
It probably would have been fairly fair still if you compared some 3rd party multi-window productivity apps, which would bring the capabilities closer.
It technically wouldn't make the comparisons fair, seeing as the vision pro can multitask standalone, while at the moment, quest 3 needs a computer to do multitasking comparable to vision pro. (There is a future update planned for the quest 3, where you can anchor windows throughout your play space)
Dose not do better with Mac unless you update your computer and get charge for the upadte and selling your new info to third party to scrap up as much money they can from you.
The AVP is far superior tech wise, not to mention the ecosystem advantage that Apple has. Once this thing is lighter and cheaper they will be everywhere.
Because everyone can afford a US$3500 VR headset when there's a $500 headset that can do most of the same things (and is ALSO getting better with each update - like Quests can now play 'Spatial Video')... Dream on, amigo.
@@TheoWerewolf And a $200 smartphone can literally do everything a flagship can too, but value is subjective. People will pay 5-7x the price for a phone because people value different things to different degrees.
@@Ghettofinger deleted my comment, you're spot on, i paid under 600 for a note 9 years ago, i finally upgraded to a s22 ultra. my dads a51 holds up well for under 200 usd
@@drewzeller3376 Yeah, a $200 smartphone can do SO MUCH right now, but that segment took 7+ years to mature after the debut of the iPhone in 2007. This is tech is very new, the microOLEDs in the headset alone are more expensive to produce than the entirety of the Quest 3. However, in 7 years, people will be shocked what a $500 device will be capable of, if this segment has the same level of growth.
Multi-tasking: AVP: Can dock dozens of apps, native and iOS compatible apps, anchored wherever you want... Q3: You have a fixed plane on which you can choose 3-4 apps to run at the same time, of those you have slim-pickens, the Quest 3 Web Browser, Meta's Facebook app, the new Microsoft office apps among the dozen or so you can use... These 2D productivity apps on Q3 can not blend 2D and 3D, what I mean is you won't see a 3D chart appearing in stereoscopic 3D hovering in front of your Excel spreadsheet in Quest 3, the Vision Pro developer toolkits make augmenting 3D with 2D apps all running in parallel very easy. The potential of this feature is so massive it alone really qualifies the moniker "spatial computing", because its an entirely different category of productivity app that can be built... I know we've had some productivity apps on Quest 3, but those apps require full immersion and they were not built with native toolkits, they are built on top of game engines. Fundamentally this changes many, many things Q3 can now play Apple's spatial video, but come on' it's not "exactly the same". MicroLED displays in the AVP running at twice the resolution, plus 10-bit HDR panels running at about four times the color depth. Objectively, not the same quality opportunity for playback... One of these devices excels exponentially at productivity non-gaming use cases, the other for gaming. They offer a little cross over for general media consumption, with get-what-you-pay-for differences as expected. Ultimately for very different customers and I hope for most that is the take away from comparison videos like this one.
Well I wouldn't say they're for different customers, but they are for different use cases. If the Apple Vision Pro was just more comfortable, I'd buy one - but I already find the Quest 3, with the best 3rd battery strap out there, still annoying to wear for even an hour. The AVP is even less comfortable because of all the fancy material they made it with which makes it unnecessarily heavy. But I still assume in the future the AVP will get real controllers and games, and considering it's a lot more powerful than the Quest 3, that will be impressive as the Quest 3 has some native games for it that are really good looking.
@@rodmunch69 There is no product category where this kind of price discrepancy (7x the difference) would have product A being for the same customer as product B. We can look at a cheap $20 watch you could go buy at Target vs a $120 watch at more high-end department store, or take that $120 watch and compare it to $1200 Christopher Ward Sealander watch. You would never compare a $1200 watch to a $6000 Rolex. Watches are a good example here, because you see all of these products are for very different levels of spending power and thus very different customers. But the Rolex customer, might also own a few less expensive watches, you get a little crossover on the way down but it's asinine to think one product priced 7x over another share the same market. They are marketed to completely differently, there's a different class, there's a different level of disposable income. We're not talking about a iPhone 15 Pro, which is maybe twice the cost of a value oriented mid-range phone, we're talking SEVEN TIMES THE PRICE. You need to understand what a luxury product is and the type of customer who can afford such things... On price point alone they are for different buyers. But beyond that the use cases also define what the product is. You can do a little gaming on Vision Pro, you can do a little productivity on Quest 3. Other than that very different.
Your review is pretty accurate, Apple as always have everything you want, build in to the headset. No tinkering required. For the true productive experience int the quest 3 you do need an app, like immersed. But isn't this also part of the quest 3's "ecosystem", this doesn't take away that you can do the stuff you could do on the AVP. So the only real difference is the fact that you could see AR graphs for productivity? Which, if you ask me, would not increase productivity and are just a gimmick... Your second point was the screens. This I totally agree with. The screens on the AVP are the crème de la crème. But then again, if you are going for productivity, why not actually buy a screen that is rated for color grading and other color accurate work?
@magyx3014 "So the only real difference is the fact that you could see AR graphs for productivity?" Well, there are not a lot of apps using the spatial features, so the graph hovering in front of Excel was just an example... Imagine you're using professional film-editing software like Final Cut Pro. The core app is presented on AVP as a 2D window, but with video editing you can have multiple channels that get mixed together, leveraging the spatial UI features, developers can easily use the Z-axis to deliver additional, time-saving UI, so those channel bars can be layered in 3D. Each layer can have different FX, etc... The potential for app developers who have been locked into 2D UI to now have the Z-axis for rendering is at the core of what will make or break the Vision Pro as a mainstream product, because there's opportunity there to build spatial productivity apps (that can all run in parallel beside one another) that achieve real time saving features. the video editing channels layered on Z-axis an example... If you can save a user 30 minutes out of their day with innovative UI, that can add up to tens of thousands of dollars a year, the return on investment of a productivity device is entirely different than a game-centered headset like the Quest 3... Quest 3 doesn't have the compute power to run a dozen apps in parallel. It's smartphone level compute vs Mac/laptop level compute in Vision Pro, Q3 architecture just much better suited for the full immersive experiences than multi-tasking, which again is why "spatial computing" is a nice simple moniker to help customers understand core differences here.... As far as "ecosystem", let's be clear, Meta does not have an Ecosystem. Sure, you can get Facebook notifications from inside your Meta Quest and post the Horizon World screen caps to Facebook through the Facebook app on MetaQuest, that's pretty much the entire "ecosystem" integration... It's unworthy of the term "ecosystem". With Apple, you're smart phone, your watch, your tablet, your AppleTV device, you Mac are all participating and offering up various time-saving ecosystem services, exchanging data between devices to save you time, give you more of your day back... Let's not forget, time-saving is what technology is all about. I would argue Apple and Google are really the only two tech companies with ecosystems and that gets to another huge problem for Meta. They own zero of their core tech. Their compute is built by Qualcomm, any competitor can buy the latest XR2 SoC and build a competing device and even their operating system is a fork of Android and still beholden to it for many things, one of those things being the core UI toolkit. There is no native Meta UI toolkit that lets you do what SwiftUI does for Apple developers on VisionPro. If you're writing a program for Quest 3, you're using Unreal or Unity3D. Everything built for it, almost everything built for it is going through some third-party game engine with strict licensing terms that only make sense for game developers... It makes perfect since for Quest 3 because in every way it's a game console, it's not a computer any more than your Nintendo Switch is. It's even marketed as a game console, and like the Switch, the Quest 3 is pretty damn good at its intended purpose.
If they would have not implemented the front eyes screen it would have eliminated a huge cost and also saved battery life, weight, size, less compute power wasted, etc because no expensive curved glass front, no lenticular lens, no screen… would have made it a better headset. Unless there is some future use case or implementation that is better than what it currently is that was a major misstep to include. But I get it, without that front display it really is much more similar to other products on the market and it gives the impression that you are “seeing through” goggles rather than looking at screens. As gimmicky as I knew it was, it was the one thing I was excited to see because it wasn’t just a better version of what we’ve already had on the market, it was something new we haven’t seen implemented in a headset. I’m actually surprised they released it without that part being MUCH better.
@@ennbeesearch on "Apple Just Traded Your Privacy for $15 Billion The company's deal with Google is lucrative, but it's hard to square with its values"
Wasnt Apple the company that scanned user pictures to "save the kids" without user permission? None of this companies are trustworthy, none really care about the user either.
I'm getting a bit miffed about people keep comparing the quest 3 and vision pro as if they're even in the same league... if you're gonna do an HONEST review, shouldn't it be with hardware designed for the same purpose... like the quest pro? 👀 it seems like a much fairer competition? Edit, if your take from this paragraph is that I'm on apples side, then you need to work on your reading comprehension 👍🤣
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Compare the non-hardware reliant software stuff to the quest, but anything hardware needs to be compared to the Varjo XR4. Nothing less. The Varjo is the same price and has improved specs over the vision pro in a few ways.
You couldn't pull out that iphone from the browser on the quest because it's a usdz file which is only supported by Apple devices. Apple actually spent years to build this feature into the web to make AR shopping useful one day.....the vision pro is that "one day" moment. You'll find lots of similar features like this that Apple has been building in the open using AR on iphones and ipads...which all just work now on the vision pro.
"Apple actually spent years to build this feature into the web to make AR shopping useful one day" "which is only supported by Apple devices". Yup. That's not really a noble accomplishment.
@@TheoWerewolf and what's wrong with that? Billions of people use their devices, plus USD is an open standard format, there's nothing stopping anyone from doing the same, Google has tried to Make AR on Android work the same way but it's lagging behind ios in terms of AR, and the fact that android suffers from too much segmentation doesn't help, most android products lack the features to make AR a reliable and consistent experience. So yeah, it's noble accomplishment for Apple to make thier products work well.
Was thinking the same, maybe immersed would have been a better apples to apples comparison. But looks like the Q3 can effectively match the results of the AVP for $3000 less at this stage in lifecycle
That's wrong and you even said why. The mere fact that you have to find and install "the right app" instead of the functionality being seamlessly integrated into the HMD's native OS, as AVP's is, would prove to be more difficult not to mention time-consuming for your typical end-user.
@@coinsagE46m3 disagree, the "additional" time it takes to click an app in Q3 is nominal and not worth mentioning arguing over. The time it takes jump into a multi-monitor set up is going to be essentially the same. For instance, I just click or pinch to select Immersed and my 5 monitor set up loads. That said, the fidelity delta between the two could be the area in which the AVP excels, and given i have not experienced the multi monitor set up in the AVP, I cannot call it either way. However, from a functionality perspective, they very similar, and certainly not $3,000 apart.
He mentioned multiple browser screens open on the Apple Vision Pro, while on the Quest 3/2 it would only be three. However, there is an application called Reality Browser, available in the App Lab, which allows you to open several browser screens in your space in the environment with Passthrough activated, spreading the screens in your environment according to your preference (it doesn't need to be in a fixed point, as with Meta Quest's native Brower). I leave screens open with Gmail, Google Calendar, etc., as well as a larger one with a UA-cam video playing (the screens are resizable). And all screens are opened again the next time we use the application - sometimes not exactly in the same place we left them, but still with all screens open, making it much easier for us to return to where we were in the previous session.
I think to make really a fair comparison you should connect to a pc and use pcvr features too, for example with steamvr you can have infinite windows of anything you want around you and place then anywhere, you can also set up a vtuber like avatar of yourself for voice calls like people do for streams and vrchat and that's not limited to looking like you even you can make anything your avatar
That's actually not a fair comparison at all as you need a VR-capable PC to do that. That's comparing apples and oranges which is not what Mike's trying to accomplish here.
@@kesopuffs I mean if requirements are to be considered then the vision pro requires 3000 dollars over the quest, getting a PC is way cheaper then that, not to mention just the fact that you need steps to get something set up and working doesn't mean it can't be done and shouldn't be considered
According to Max Tech, you can't watch video while moving (in a car, bus, train, plane) with Apple Vision Pro, so that kills a common use case. No heads-up display possible either, so walking with, say, a messenger or mapping app up is not possible. And gaming is no comparison -- not just hand-tracking, but game catalog. There's almost nothing available for the Vision Pro. It's a slick, high-quality device, but it's so focused on AR, I think it's a terrible choice for most people.
I'm sure someone has already posted but another means of messaging you can do, likely on either, is use google messages for web from the browser to text within the headsets if you use the google messages app on your phone.
Maybe it will be coming now that Vision Pro is creating more demand for it. It would be a simple thing to add support in Netflix, Prime, Disney+ etc for 3D content on Quest 3.
Thank you for speaking the truth . Ever since I returned my psVR2 . I made it a mission to teach others so they don’t get cheated like me . We need people like you who will speak the logical truth .
Basically, the only real advantage for $3,500 you're getting is access to 3D movies which Meta used to have with the Vudu and BigScreen apps but dropped support for. At least we can still watch 3D movies by backing up 3D Blu-rays.
I'd recommend you talk with someone who actually uses the Q3/Pro for productivity to check that you aren't forgetting something important worth mentioning. I felt like you didn't have enough experience with it for work.
i used to watch your channle 5 years ago when the quest 1 came out and im so happy to see your channle is still great and your intro stayed. keep up the good work!
There is a closer - panel view instead. I think you can have more app running in panels, instead of the curved screen look, you can have panels that are not in fixed area you can move around
I wish people would stop defending this headset. Battery life is horrid for what is supposed to be a productive unit, and while it may be better then quest 3 it isn't so much better to justify nearly 4k. Not to mention quest keeps getting new productivity features it will likely get closer then it is now. Not to mention lacking physical controls is beyond ridiculous the quests price includes controllers and even includes paid software. Apple is so scared of being seen as a vr headset it created a bunch of compromises and tons of expensive HEAVY materials that serve no functional purpose.
haters gonna hate 😂 this guy is comparing a first gen product with a third gen product that has settled with their market for years. dumb statement that no one's gonna waste their time to read anyways 🤷🏻♀️
@kanomee it's apples first outing but not first gen important difference. If a new competitor entered the TV market or laptop manufacturing or anything else you would expect them to be with the times. Especially if they are toting themselves as "premium" and asking for premium level pricing. And a company as experienced as apple is and have been in consumer electronics for years this is a huge disappointment compared to the normal quality of their products.
You need to set your camera to manual focus, it picks up on your hands sometimes and make you seem blurry. Manual focus or a longer field of depth, compensated for by a higher ISO or slower framerate or more lighting.
As soon as they announced the Vision Pro, I thought "Yep, I'm def getting a Quest 3!"...because they are, in principle, the same device (less the eye tracking). Have enjoyed a largely similar experience, at a fraction of the price, before the VPro even hit the market.
not if you're not an Apple user anyway. For the rest of the world Meta will simply improve their user interface and most of the things you can do on Vision Pro can be done on Quest 3, since it's more or less based on how the software works. Nevertheless, the Apple Vision Pro is the more advanced headset, at least for now.
@@ProgrammistMusicnot a chance. Apple will always be multiple steps ahead of meta simply because of their infrastructure and ecosystem. By the time meta has a ui as capable as apple’s, Apple will have already gotten further ahead. The only way for meta to catch up is for the tech to reach full maturity and for there to be nowhere to really go like smartphones now. Meta will copy Apple like android did, and Apple may copy meta on a few things if any, but that’s it
@@Millicente "Meta will copy Apple like android did?" Apple copies android, just to let you know. Also, Apple is the one copying Meta, so I don't know what you are trying to say... Apple always just copies from others and publishes a little but more polished version of it. This still means that they are always behind though.
I can't tell if you're joking or not but $3500 is not consumer friendly, also look at the name, it is not meant for consumers, its meant for professionals@@chrikke
Is it just me or do many of these tasks seem a lot easier to perform without the headsets, which do little to nothing aside from making completing said tasks more cumbersome?
Something crucial you missed (though you might be aware at this point); You didn't mention that the Meta Quest 3 can have 3 more apps (apart from browser) detatched from the main three screens.
The biggest things for me between the Quest and Vision Pro is that the Quest supports PCVR and has the freedom of Android For what the Quest is lacking officially, anyone has the freedom to make/install their own software or even hardware without jumping through hoops. It's a lot more freedom despite being 1/7th of the price (and that's excluding add-ons, I'd be forced to buy the $200 lenses for the Pro)
there are alot of hidden features in the q3 that many ppl seems to ingore. for example: you can basically sideload any android app on the q3, including email apps, media players etc. you can use lightning launcher to play everything in the background. you can use skybox to watch movies in passthrough, you could also use any android media player and use a thirdparty home environment. the biggest difference is that there is no social stuff on the vision pro, you are always alone.
What about taking of the apple headset quickly because maybe the eyes itch and then back on again? You have to login again and rearrange every window you had.
Just use Immersed on the Meta Quest 3. It's free and can use 2 additional screens beyond the physical screen connected to your computer. Granted, you do need to be synced with your computer.
Just jumping in real quick at 3.32 .. I use a foldable bluetooth keyboard on the Quest 1, 2 and 3.. Costing about £15 when I got it.. Works perfect with the Quest headsets and portable too.. Who can tell me you can carry, or you do carry your logitech keyboard with you?
Two comments: - For the Quest 3 you only show the supplied screen system. There are others you can install like Immersed. - The Apple Magic Keyboard can also be paired to the Quest 3 (any bluetooth keyboard can) Also, if you plan on using your headset for any significant amount of gaming there is really no competition. The Quest 3 has a vast library of great games and can easily be used with SteamVR for PC gaming at high fidelity, either tethered or wireless. It also has XBox streaming with game pass paired up with an hand controller. And yes, ofc the Quest 3 actually comes with hand controllers which really is essential for games enabling so much more interactivity - it also enables a lot of tools that would be hard to do with hand tracking and pinching alone.
The question is whether you could attach a document to the email you send in the headset. Im sure that if you were using google apps via a browser that might be possible. And presumably Is it possible to send files created in apv apps via email or link to icloud?
You should have demo’d the time it takes to actually get into these productive modes. How long from stand by does it take to setup a multi window environment / start writing emails
You can use swipe typing on the meta quest 3. Is that available on apple vision pro? The video focused on supplementing the experience with a physical keyboard, but I think it’s important to note that there is swipe typing on quest.
Is multi window support almost there? I don’t find the resolution is sharp enough without tweaking the native res of the quest 3. How about doing actual productivity? Using productivity apps, pulling your MacBook screen into AVP the significantly different resolution and much better pass through?
There's a little known trick you can do on the Quest 3 that I discovered by accident. If you start up UA-cam VR, watch a 360 video or 180vr if you wish, then you quickly press the Meta-Menu button, now you have 2 options Resume Or Quit, well you have a 3rd option actually, you can select the menu bar underneath, open 3 browser instances (or even apps), and now you have 4 apps open, you can for example work with 3 screens - while surrounded by a 360 video playing as your environment. You're welcome!
Cool! One drawback is you can do 8k stream on Quest browser in UA-cam but not in the UA-cam VR app. In 360 vids recorded in 8-16K (like Air Pano), it makes a huge difference imo.
UA-cam 8k works through Skybox VR. Was stunned to find all 80 of my VR180 files were there in 8k. Bummer it costs $, but it was worth it for me.@@colin6852
That is sick...or use Immersed for 5 screens in a virtual environment surrounding you
@@colin6852 the UA-cam app recently updated. So it now supports 4k videos which it did not do before. I have not checked resolutions higher than that tho
You can try skybox vr. 8k videos or 3d videos run smoothly
We have to aknowlage the fact that all these small but convenient things the vision pro has over quest 3 are most likley accesable only if you have bought into the Apple ecosystem. If you don't have an IPhone, you most likley can't send messages easily like what was shown. If you don't have an Apple keyboard, you most likley can't get that handy widget showing you what you're writing. This would significantly shorten the gap between the vision pro and the quest 3, that in my opinion wasn't that large of a gap anyways.
This is all while ignoring the price, as if you take that into considering, I would just automatically pick the Quest 3 as it is so much more affordable compared to the Vision Pro.
It has cotroller support (just like iPad and iPhone games) and it accept PS or Xbox controllers and this is same for keyboards and mouses (only criteria it must be a bluetooth capable device, but can be paired with different manufacturers product , just like PS or Xbox cotrollers..)
@@TamasKiss-yk4st But if you pair a random bluetooth keyboard, do you get that handy widget thing (by "handy widget thing" I mean the little window just above the keyboard that shows you what you're typing, the one that was also tracked and followed the keyboard around)? And does the sms app work with any phone? If not, then my statement is still true.
As for controllers, It's great that you can have any modern console controller paired with any of the two headsets, but IMO having reglar VR controllers in box with every purchase is a hard win for quest 3 (mostly because gaming is what I use VR for). If you only really care about playing flatscreen games in VR or games that support using a regular controler, then this doesn't really effect you.
@@kbtjunior7419 iMessage app is running no VP directly and It doesnt use phone at all
the vision pro doesnt actually connect properly to your iphone. i saw a video about it, and for me its such an odd thing for apple to do, cause it goes against what they usually do, even if what they do often lack features
Bingo.
I would like to say that Meta has free apps like Meta Workspaces and 3rd Party app Immersed (free and paid versions) that allow for much more flexibility with screens for your computer and also allow Zoom calls with your avatar. I'm surprised you showed some apps like that, but didn't really show that there is almost no difference aside from screen fidelity. Quest 3 is phenomenal for the price. Apple Vision Pro would be great to have, but even as an Apple Fanboy, that price point just isn't anything more than a flex.
100% agree. Fidelity is pretty much the only real world meaningful improvement the Apple Vision Pro has over other VR headsets. And to some that’s the only thing that matters so cool, go for it. And I agree watching movies on this is one of the best movie watching VR experiences out there. But it’s not really a game changer or revolutionary IMO. Most productivity and work require connecting to a laptop or desktop and then you’d be better off using your laptop with multiple monitors than trying to use the AVP. It may get there at some point, but I have a feeling that everyone else will likely close the gap on resolution by the time Apple’s VR ecosystem is mature enough to make more sense in purchasing.
@@heyjustjam a person that uses vr mostly for entertaiment for almost 7 years now and idk what apple is going with it because years ago profecional VR was mostly used for companies that use it for a realistic development on programs that needed a perspective for entertaiment or research and could handle the workforce like the AeroVarjo and quest pro but using it like a computer? I Agree on that tho, ill rather use my mac or computer in the normal way then what apple is trying to do
Its purely an image product... A perception builder. Sacrificing comfort, usability & price for image says all about the AVP. With its front loaded form factor when they already decided to split the battery, glass, alumimum, the lenticular frontal screen, all add weight.
Like you said, people that actually do productivity, proffesional design work with mixed reality already had something like the varjo, which still has better passthrough. Limited battery life & processing diminishes productivity.
The product does have its merits but its main purpose as of now is marketing.
At this point it should be clear enough that everyone claiming that Immersed or Workspaces are "the same" are either straight up lying or just happily ignorant - not having used both themselves. But that won't stop people from repeating this ad nauseum for the next three decades.
More of this "oh ya sure but like, aside from fidelity..." bullshit. Are you all using 1280x768 monitors? Gee willickers, I wonder whyever not!? I mean there's no obviously no meaningful difference between those and 4K monitors aSiDe FrOm ViSuAl FiDeLiTy!
@@Rokmononov that’s the thing though, everyone IS giving them credit for making a higher resolution headset. It’s a MEANINGFUL improvement and looks fantastic. One of if not the best out there in that regard. The issue is beyond that the current AVP as it is today offers less flexibility than what we have seen on the market and that is disappointing. It’s like making a car that can go WAY faster but can only turn left for now. Not great if you’re trying to have a car to do actual work with. At the same time a car that’s can turn left AND right but is super slow is a painful experience. It’s why nobody really uses headsets for general computing work and only very niche applications. I’ve used mine for reviewing building plans which was extremely helpful to walk through the building before we approved plans.
More pixels is AWESOME but unfortunately isn’t revolutionary and even in my niche use case wouldn’t have changed outcomes or productivity… in fact I don’t even think it would be possible to do with the AVP right now. I use apple products almost exclusively because I love their software and it streamlines my workflows. I don’t see how AVP is doing that at the moment. It doesn’t even really work well with an iPhone right now which is CRaZy to me. Hardware is great, but without something you can DO with I’m not super excited.
You can watch movies in a passthrough on Quest 3... Play movie on PC and use VD and set background to pass-through. Could be useful if you want a huge screen and still want to be able to view your environment to keep tabs on a child, for example.
You can also watch natively in the browser or probably just by installing a movie file on the headset.
There’s quite a few apps that let you watch movies in pass through, and directly in the meta apps too I think.
It’s a great alternative to when you want to shut out the rest of the world in your own private cinema, or you can watch a movie whilst keeping an eye on the kids
3d movies work, I’ve tried that on the quest 2.
Skybox Vr Player is so much better than Bigscreen or using a PC on VD...
@mattman6886 Fluid app allows this as well. Multiple screens placed anywhere with passthrough. Pretty much like the vision pro was showing.
Thanks for the comparison video, I don't have any doubts that AVP is amazing but that price difference is huge. You could add a Cat Walk C 2 $1000 and a BHaptic Suit for $500, and get 2 additional Quest 3 for family members, and still be less.
I had a similar thought or get a PC and a quest so you could do wireless VR PC games and it would still be cheaper
@@liamcollinson5695 Yeah and it could literally be a very high end pc on top of that. The vision pro also needs cords and I hated the cords on older vr headsets.
Quest 3 for peasants
@@REXae86what lmao
@@zeppkfw How Question 3 would be a very high end pc? It doesn't have its own graphics card I think..
On quest you can grab and drop the youtube app to directly open it on an extra window. Something I haven't seen anyone using
I never even thought to do that! I thought you had to open it first and then go into flat mode. Thanks!
🤔 that's a pretty cool hat trick
On vision pro. U can open that in the separate room. Example: bathroom, bedroom. And they still there. It is the real metaverse
@@KeyboardArmy-bg9mh That's coming to the Quest but there's also an app called fluid that can do that as well.
@@MobileDecayits not coming to quest they said there will be no more update for quest from the quality, and the realisticness is not quite good for me so i rather apple vision pro its more futuristic
Immersed allows for video in meetings like Zoom. I imagine it works for video calls. Because it sets up a camera in virtual reality you can move around your avatar.
8:55 ..you can do group calls in vr with your gaming profile, their avatar can show up in your play space and virtual home, its surreal
Remember you can touch the UI of the Quest 2/3 with your index finger on both hands and use the keyboard directly, I believe Apple has that too
Thatr's the way I interact with it and it's a little creepy because to me when my finger hits the window, it feels like I've touched something... even though there's no haptics.
yep, vision pro can do it too, and as i saw its looks more solid.
@@nagyFerkoenough to spend 3500 over 400. Worth it
@@TheoWerewolf I feel the same with the Quest 2, it's so weird
@@TheoWerewolf that's called phantom sense. It get's even more creepy in social vr applications like vrchat. Gave me the chills the first time someone gave me a headpat
Quest 3 and the Immersed app is a productivity monster when pair even with a half decent computer. Hell, I have the ROG Ally which I use with Immersed a hour a day for my coding class and it works so well.
Im in Immersed now its too nice
Yeah … I love immersed for work. I also use big screen for work sometimes. I’ll go into a public room to watch a movie and then open up my own remote desktop window inside it and work while I’m watching the movie
What are the odds u have an ally too. I just ordered a quest 3 so nice to know this works with my ally
@@footballpig8820 yeah it'll totally work as the Ally is essentially a full Windows 11 laptop crammed into a handheld. I use it with a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard in Immersed. I have a full-fledged gaming PC with a triple monitor setup but there's something pretty cool about working with 5 virtual monitors and a handheld PC in VR. 😂
Interesting - is that Virtual desktop streaming wirelessly from your ROG Ally to your Quest 3?
its crazy what they were able to build for $500. The Metaverse and store needs a rework but what a cool device for the price.
Estimates have put the cost of parts & mfg for the Quest 3 @ about $430 & ignores unknown R&D, software dev & long term support & other similar misc costs. They are almost certainly taking a loss on at least the $500 model. Apparently the VP costs about $1700 in parts & mfg.
So same as an Android phone, the cheaper price is in no small part down to the $s they anticipate making in harvesting user/age data.
they are selling quest at no profit or u can say at loss but getting money on the other things like subscription and things like that. they are trying to make quest successful. props to meta for the quest. they really did great jon 500 mark. tbh on a business point of view quest is obviously underprices and vision pro is like oveeeeeer priced lol.
@TalkTechSAGA apple makes good quality products, but most people cannot affort😅
@@Make-Money-Guy we all know that. But the fact Question 3 made the same thing for 3x less is what impress us.
Nah its just apple overpricing their stuff like always
After spending about 12hrs on Vision Pro, this is my conclusion:
1. Quest 3 does everything Vision Pro does (apart of eye tracking)
2. Vision Pro doesn't do everything Quest 3 does, but the ones it does do, it does it much better
So basically like comparing Ferrari to BMW let's say, one is 4 times more expensive only to be better in some areas..... And no one will say Ferrari better value than BMW
Wow, a very remarkable and complete review. Great stuff. Anywho, you failed to mention how the Quest 3 can't do real blacks.
@@rodmunch69 Real blacks filled with Glare? What's the point 😂
Didn’t we just see the Apple Vision Pro do more with windows, and that iPhone trick?
@@musictheory4u153 You can do the same with Immersed on Quest 3..... Not really a groundbreaking thing.... What is more impressive is playing an Assassin Creed full blown game at 4K in 360 VR.... That's more impressive than anything M2 shown so far
I'd be more inclined to compare them to a BMW and a Honda Civic, personally.
Immersed on quest will do up to 5 screens that you can position anywhere and will do video chat with your avatar an d show your immersed environment in the background.
I felt like this comparison was in favor of Vision Pro. You just demonstrated what ALL the Vision Pro can do and compared it what alternatives Quest have. You compared a productivity headset to a GAMING headset where the Meta shines. You didn't even feature the Touch controllers, PCVR capabilities, mod-ability, and the beta-MR to name a few. Quest is an Android - so it inherently has the advantages of Android (and disadvantages).
It's not Apples vs Apples. It's Apples vs a Fruit Salad (Quest can be a productivity tool if you want it to be). I'm disappointed. But this is a personal comparison so, to each his own.
It's not really a fair comparison to include things a Vision pro can't do. I liked this review because it was 2 headsets, hand tracking, and productive peripherals only, where the end results were extremely similar. Sure, there's some research and trouble shooting to be done for productivity on the quest, but once it's set up, you're good to go, for 7x less. The Vision Pro is definitely looking smoother out of the box for productivity which is cool for apple users.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 it's not a fair comparison to include things the quest can't do either which this video highlighted. Your point?
Yea its trash
Yeah biased much
V67 fixes some of the issues highlighted. Quest 3 all the way!
Great comparison. I wish you used the immersed productivity app on the quest. It's such a game changer for actually getting work done!
Wow i was thinking the EXACT same thing. 🎉I actually literally just uploaded a video about immersed using my quest 3 on my YT channel and I'm super impressed. 3 virtual screens for free !😊
@TalkTechSAGA Yes good video overall
It annoys me how people reviewing the apple vision pro headset currently keep referring to it as revolutionary like they're the first to do it.
It's always someone's first time but yeah it's pretty funny seeing people raving about basic stuff that's been apart of VR for years.
Exactly 💯
The first to do it in a compelling way. The Quest looks like amateur hour
@@ChristopherLecky-e5x FOr your apple NPC mindset and confirmation bias
@user-mf1qm2oz3b How is anything from the vision pro compelling compared to the quest. It's barely if not even, a vr headset. All of it is just purely AR based. And most of its more "unique" features are locked to Apple product users. You'd just be wasting 3.5k for being a fan boy and that's it.
Why not try 3D movies with Skybox VR? By the way can the AVP play 3D movie files? How do you even go about transferring video files to the headset?
apple wants you to buy stuff. Want to watch 3D movies? Pay disney+ and make sure you use apple pay from the apple store so they get a cut. Don't have that movie you want? Too bad.
Apple devices are a cage, used an iphone for 4 years, i won't make that mistake again
Yeah... i filled my quest 3 512gb with torrented movies on skybox vr.... apple sells every film made in apple tv app... all i had to do was get Android file transfer and connect the Q3 via usbc... maybe you can airdrop files to apple VP... but haven seen a video player for VP... air drop would be super slow...
I think Apple made Quest a favor.
Also wanted to mention that you totally can watch a video in passthrough on the quest 3 or 2. You just open a video in the browser and push it into full screen, do it with crunchieroll all the time
Yep, also do it all the time!
Quest 3 has many apps/games that allow you to socialise/interact with other users online, such as watching movies, explore VR worlds, etc. Vision Pro users might feel a bit lonely.
So right. Hopefully that changes soon for them
Especially when watching movies. Big Screen offers a great social experience, be it watching movies in public areas or inviting friends in more intimate settings. I thought Big Screen offered 3D movies for pay. They have 3D movie trailers.
@@tyleradams3490 Unfortunately, it won't change for the Vision pro, I sent mine back, all the TikTok videos are paid ads. Also it costs x7 and Quest can do the same things
Not really. FaceTime supports SharePlay and they already have a lot of developer documentation on the future sharing options that utilise personas. Devs can also just do their own thing if they like. RecRoom has already been announced for example
Oh god. VR/AR social media is going to be the next big f-up in pop culture from Apple. Then again, most people are already there with their smart phones. Vanilla ice was right, the 90's(early to mid 90's that is) was the greatest decade before computers ruined the world. lol
Don't get me wrong, VR gaming and mixed reality can be awesome and all, and i'm a huge fan of stereoscopic 3D, but the VR/AR social media aspect/features are going to take things another step further and prevent a lot of people from actually leaving their houses and socializing/having real world interactions. It has the potential to destroy people who suffer with social anxiety, instead of taking the time and actually working on their problems.
I guess in the end it's all about balance. Do whatever you want at the end of the day and what makes you happy. I just prefer the simpler times. The 90's had the perfect balance of technology and pop culture, before the internet crept in during the tail-end of the 90's/early 2000's.
Skybox works with passthrough on Quest and with 3d
I think what he means is there's no streaming 3d content like there is on the vision, you have to download your own 3d movies to a pc or server to watch it on the quest
Did that last night with the film gravity :)
@@CaptainMarder You can stream video in your PC browser and view it in VD on Quest 3, with pass-thru if you want it also
@@CaptainMardertheir is a limited selection of 3D movies in big screen for rent.
You download movies using apps 3rd party ofc but yes it's possible
The voice command on Q3 may only work in the US, but you failed to mention (in this video) that the Vision Pro is only available in the US. So I've got that one down as a tie
But he used it in the UK.
@@dtz1000hmm 🤔
good point
He flew to the u.s. ti pick one up.@@dtz1000
He could have changed the language to US English and use the voice command. He was lazy
actually any bluetooth keyboard is supported im using a rando mechanical keyboard and even a bluetooth mouse with mine, on my meta quest.
If you want to use the keyboard in VR mode, it has to be one it know, I think. I know thjey were adding a feature to let you mark where yourkeyboard is IRL and how big it is so you cna have it either passthrough or be represented in VR - but with the Logitech it can render a 1 to 1 model of it in VR
IMO, the virtual keyboard and keyboard portal are no longer relevant with the quest 3 passthrough. Any Bluetooth keyboard will do.
Apple does not support any other device but it's own forcing you to buy premium products that get worn down by wear and tare.
Oculus is the best at everything and they don't make you sign your life over.l and sell your info like Apple do.
Imho, I'm just gonna write it once, and let it sink well:
How surprising that people keep on comparing the products where they're literally so different in nature, and targeting different users, no to mention the price.
*The PRICE is the BIGGEST DEAL HERE!*
Period. Period. Period.
Even I wasn't aware that the latency for fast movement on hand tracking was better on Q3. I guess the years of iteration and testing of the AI algorithms has been paying off.
Apple has been doing a very closed doors design, while Meta reality labs (oculus) has always been an openly transparent VR company that's now shifted to mainstream consumer marketing with over a Decades worth of R&D in the space. After nearly 3 years of hand tracking data from quest 2 the experience was really refined. Meta is currently testing fully 3D models for our hands next, now that quest 3 has full color and a depth sensor. Theyre also working on a more refined AR OS experience due some time in the coming months.
It's one of the things that many reviewers failed to mention, as well as the blur you get when moving moving your head fast. Theres seems to be a lot of post-processing going on in the AVP that creates this blur/lag, while Meta opted for a more grainy but low latency image which helps a lot to combat fatique and motion sickness. The Quest 3 also supports 120 Hz which is really nice.
Awesome comparison man. I never cease to be amazed at what technology Meta packs into the quest line of headsets at their price point.
When you have no privacy protections and shamelessly sell your user’s data it makes sense to sell hardwares for a loss.
@@ennbee Or you're just overpaying for a name brand? Let me guess everything you own says Apple?
@giacomo7113guarantee apple also sells your data
I've been saying this for the last week when friends ask me about the Vision Pro, since I am the "VR guy". My Q3 can do all the same stuff. I would expect the Vision Pro to do it better, but, $3000 better? Probably not.
The cost of the device is the consequence of having the best tech in you possibly can in the headset. The microOLEDs alone are more expensive to produce than the entirety of the Quest 3. Sure, you can cut corners, and even make a loss on the device like Meta, but at the end of the day, value is subjective, but in an objective sense, Apple probably takes a much smaller profit margin on this device than they historically do on Macs and iPhones because those devices have mature technology and economies of scale.
Yeah that's basically my response too. The quest 3 will do basically everything the Vision Pro will do at about 90-95% of the quality, and it'll do a lot that the vision pro can't do and for $3000 less.
Is $3000 really worth that 5-10% bump in quality?
@@GhettofingerDoesn't the Beyond headset use microOled for $1000 + tracking?
@@ViridianFlowIt's like someone with a sub-4k TV eyeing off a new OLED TV-both TVs will display content. But the OLED TV will do it so much nicer. The UI will be newer and snappier, and overall, it'll be a much nicer experience. Whether one can justify the significant price jump is an individual choice.
The quest 3 is great for the price point. But it's not on the same level as the VP.
@@James-lw3gi That's a bit of a stretch, I'd say it's closer to a 4k OLED and a 4K QLED. It isn't really that much of an upgrade
Vision Pro uses Lidar for basic hand tracking, ideal for simple interactions like isolating hands from VR scenes. Oculus, however, translates movements into 3D VR hands, enhancing immersion and usability in VR apps where real hands aren’t needed. Oculus's approach offers deeper interaction for VR environments.
Great video Mike. From the video, it seemed that, for the most part, it was software limitations that held the Quest 3 back rather than lacking specific hardware? Is that correct? Do you think that with some software updates, the Quest 3 could potentially replicate most of the AVP features that it lacked at the time of this video?
AVP will definitely push Meta harder than before. They’ve never really had any serious competition up until now. Most don’t realize this but Apple getting into this market is good for everyone []-)
@@VirtualRealityOasis absolutely, it's better for Meta to have someone to respond to instead of being the leader everybody else was imitating. I expect Meta's software and UI will rapidly improve now thanks to Apple.
😂 I literally do all the things he showed on my quest 2 😂 except the calling part 😂😂😂 y'all funny if you think this is actually new or something good
@@SavMu I tried out the spatial videos that are now on Quest 3 and don't get how this is even a feature. Does Apple not know that VR porn has existed for 8 years and looks miles better than this.
I got a good laugh when you talked about still using Yahoo for email because I’m still using AOL for my email. 😂
Wow… how is AOL active?
Wow does MSN count with that as well? 😅
Same, been using AOL for 30 years for email. be a pita to change now.
@@ABoxIsMyHome God knows, but what I do know is the AOL forums on any news articles is the most toxic racist place I have ever seen.
@TalkTechSAGA yahoo is not bad😢
I watched 3d movies with bigscreen on my quest 1 and it was great
Don't forget online film sites for passthrough and 3d sbs
Yeah I was surprised he didn't try a 3d movie in the Quest 3
@BoltRM he made it sound like it can't be done. But it can.
Confirmed. 3d movies work. Also some video streaming services work in the browser with pass-through.
I watch avatar in my quest 2 but focusing on a picture is so hard
How about the visual quality of the view? Watching movies on my Quest 3 just doesn't do it for me as the resolution is a bit to low and you don't really have a clear screen. Is this a better experience on the Vision?
probably, but is it $3000 better? not at all
You don't even notice the resolution on the Vision Pro, the 8K clips they show in the demo I tried were flawless. I never saw a pixel or screen door once in the entire experience.
You can watch 3d movies on big screen and have been able to for a long time
I know right? maybe its cause he isn't in the usa.
@richardirvine2220 I'm not in the USA and ii can watch 3D Movies on big screen.
I just think he didn't do his home work very well.
@@PJZombie Or he was paid to do this comparison. This content creator definitely plays in VR and is aware of all of these things. Why would he leave them out?
@@bou222 it works exactly the same in the UK...
@@bou222 yeah I'm also not in the US. I was also quite surprised that he overlooked this seeing as he is quite a good VR content creator.
Thanks for comparison
Im here since quest 2 release.
I always want to buy Oculus quest but didn't have money to buy but now i recently started working so im saving money to buy quest 3
I will edit this comment once i but quest 3
Count down began from now
A question that may already have been answered (haven't seen it though)... is it possible to zoom with the see through cameras?
No. However, the small windows do appear larger and very clear depending on how you position them. The cameras themselves are set to a fixed distance that helps keep you upright. If they zoomed and you moved it would likely be very nauseating.
There's also Skybox VR on Quest 3 which is great for watching movies (even full 3D 180 or 360 which I haven't seen demonstrated on AVP) with lots of viewing options.
And there's Immersed which lets you connect to a Macbook / Laptop for doing full desktop productivity just like AVP.
is a tie!!!
So you tried to make the Quest 3 into the AVP and got about 75% of the way there (and you didn't even dive into side loading android apps, which will get you 90% there). Now try to make the AVP into a Quest 3 and play real VR games (not steam games on a flat virtual screen) and see how close you can get.
Fr, quest 3 is way better. People act like Vision Pro is revolutionary when it’s just 7x times the price of a quest 3 and isn’t as good.
@@uzuwi9782 I won't say quest 3 is better. AVP is faster and higher res. I will say that AVP is no where near 7x better. At best, it's twice as good.
@@likwidsage I’m taking price in consideration when saying it’s better, 4k after taxes is crazy
@@uzuwi9782 100. The things you can do with 4000 compared to buy a very limited headset is a no
Correct me if im wrong here but since you can use a browser in passthrough on the quest 3 couldnt i just go to netflix and watch a movie in passthrough mode that way?
Yes
lovely it's a desktop for your face while on the quest 3 I'm having fun
More like iPad for the face. Without side loading this is useless for productivity on its own.
that's the point
As for the texting. If you have an android (Dont know if it works with iPhone). Use the link to pc and get everything from your phone on your pc.
If your Quest 3 is connected to the same pc, you can text, call, etc.
A quick thing to note about the Quest 3 virtual keyboard. You can swipe to text. Makes everything alot quicker without typing with one letter at a time.
3D movies work on the Quest 3
I think he meant the Disney app.
But he made it sound like it can't be done at all.
But we all know that it can, and it is very easily done.
hi, which movies can you see in 3D?
@@MrWord283 Any that's 3D
@@MrWord283 literally any 3d movies... including Adult ones.
@TheRobertoisai99 any 3D Movie you have stored on your Hard Drive or Removable Media.
So hand-tracking is significantly faster on Oculus? Weird, considering how much focus Apple put on the hands experience
Meta has years of iteration and top tier OS developers working on that. I am not surprised in the least they have a lead.
I'm actually surprised too because the Q3 relies on a controller mostly while apple vision pro only has handtracking/eye tracking to control.
Yeah, I figured they'd have nailed that out of the gate all given. Not that I would have dropped $3500 on a headset anyway, but if I was considering it, that would have been a deal breaker.
Apple uses inferior techniques for hand tracking.
It wasn't designed for gaming so they didn't use techniques that allow for faster tracking.
They screwed the pooch in that department.
They never think ahead.
I hear they may add that feature next gen. Hahahaha
I'm almost ready to jump into VR again myself (I was an early adopter, with the HTC Vive Gen 1). The clunkiness, lens fogging, and low resolution really turned me off early on, but overall it sure seems to have gotten better. I'm interested in seeing what the Meta Quest Pro 2 improves (and if they learned from the mistakes of the first one. Their crappy greyscale passthrough was a dumb decision). If it's a Quest 3, but better, I might go for it. Curious about the rumoured Index 2 for PCVR as well.
in Brazil you can find some cars for the half of the price of the Apple vision pro💀
Did you ever try side loading of Android apps to the Quest 3? I haven't tried it in a while but at least in theory the device could run most android apps just floating in space. It is a shame they never officially supported this as a feature.
Sadly from what I hear Google turned down Meta’s request to bring the Play Store to the Quest
@Dazzzaify makes sense, honestly. Google does support sidequest tho. Google will likely put the play store on the upcoming samsung headset.
The Apple Vision Pro really is not that expensive when you consider it's literally replacing your MacBook, plus giving you an amazing OLED TV / theater room, plus all the AR stuff. To me the only hesitation on getting one is comfort - since it's too heavy to hear for long periods of time. I just hope the 'cheap' lighter plastic version of this doesn't drop the OLED or decrease resolution to keep costs down - I want all the features, but just drop the metal and "glass" and make it as light as possible, and focus everything on comfort, Apple.
Peak copium.
Uhm, no it's NOT replacing your MacBook unless you really have minimal use cases. Even Apple promotes it as a way to move the MacBook's screen into VR for producitivity, and the Quest is just as capable with movies and TV. The only real advantage is higher res, but again - 7x the cost for maybe 40% more pixels.
@@TheoWerewolf its got an M2, and can absolutely replace your laptop for most users - and give you a lot more screen space. You need a mouse and keyboard - but you can absolutely sit at a desk and use this as your laptop for 95% of people. However the issue is comfort - and if you only want to wear it for an hour at a time - that’s the issue. In any case, the Quest 3 already does a great job, and this is next-gen from there. With the much improved optics and oLEDs - this is some stunning hardware. Also I hope this pushes Meta to bring back OLEDs - I’ll pay and extra $100 or so for them - they make watching movies in VR so much better than the grayish black levels on the Quest 3.
Good stuff. But your gestures are kinda weird. Why do you squeeze ur fingers to type or press button in meta when u can actually hit the keyboard ur press buttons with ur index fingers like u normally do in real life?. I have the latest update of meta 2 but cannot find spatial vids in files. I only have one folder “This headset”
It probably would have been fairly fair still if you compared some 3rd party multi-window productivity apps, which would bring the capabilities closer.
It technically wouldn't make the comparisons fair, seeing as the vision pro can multitask standalone, while at the moment, quest 3 needs a computer to do multitasking comparable to vision pro.
(There is a future update planned for the quest 3, where you can anchor windows throughout your play space)
@@mementomori4602incorrect - there are multitasking applications on quest
Can you compare PC/Q3 vs Mac/AVP?
The Q3 works better with a Mac as well. It can do 3 virtual screens with a Mac and only one with windows
Dose not do better with Mac unless you update your computer and get charge for the upadte and selling your new info to third party to scrap up as much money they can from you.
The AVP is far superior tech wise, not to mention the ecosystem advantage that Apple has. Once this thing is lighter and cheaper they will be everywhere.
Because everyone can afford a US$3500 VR headset when there's a $500 headset that can do most of the same things (and is ALSO getting better with each update - like Quests can now play 'Spatial Video')... Dream on, amigo.
@@TheoWerewolf And a $200 smartphone can literally do everything a flagship can too, but value is subjective. People will pay 5-7x the price for a phone because people value different things to different degrees.
@@Ghettofinger deleted my comment, you're spot on, i paid under 600 for a note 9 years ago, i finally upgraded to a s22 ultra. my dads a51 holds up well for under 200 usd
@@drewzeller3376 Yeah, a $200 smartphone can do SO MUCH right now, but that segment took 7+ years to mature after the debut of the iPhone in 2007. This is tech is very new, the microOLEDs in the headset alone are more expensive to produce than the entirety of the Quest 3. However, in 7 years, people will be shocked what a $500 device will be capable of, if this segment has the same level of growth.
Did you have your eyes shut when you typed this? They said "When its cheaper" and you go on a rant about price @@TheoWerewolf
Immersed App and the Quest 3 is a productivity blessing. That app and my Quest are the reasons I passed my University courses last semester
Multi-tasking: AVP: Can dock dozens of apps, native and iOS compatible apps, anchored wherever you want... Q3: You have a fixed plane on which you can choose 3-4 apps to run at the same time, of those you have slim-pickens, the Quest 3 Web Browser, Meta's Facebook app, the new Microsoft office apps among the dozen or so you can use... These 2D productivity apps on Q3 can not blend 2D and 3D, what I mean is you won't see a 3D chart appearing in stereoscopic 3D hovering in front of your Excel spreadsheet in Quest 3, the Vision Pro developer toolkits make augmenting 3D with 2D apps all running in parallel very easy. The potential of this feature is so massive it alone really qualifies the moniker "spatial computing", because its an entirely different category of productivity app that can be built... I know we've had some productivity apps on Quest 3, but those apps require full immersion and they were not built with native toolkits, they are built on top of game engines. Fundamentally this changes many, many things Q3 can now play Apple's spatial video, but come on' it's not "exactly the same". MicroLED displays in the AVP running at twice the resolution, plus 10-bit HDR panels running at about four times the color depth. Objectively, not the same quality opportunity for playback... One of these devices excels exponentially at productivity non-gaming use cases, the other for gaming. They offer a little cross over for general media consumption, with get-what-you-pay-for differences as expected. Ultimately for very different customers and I hope for most that is the take away from comparison videos like this one.
Well I wouldn't say they're for different customers, but they are for different use cases. If the Apple Vision Pro was just more comfortable, I'd buy one - but I already find the Quest 3, with the best 3rd battery strap out there, still annoying to wear for even an hour. The AVP is even less comfortable because of all the fancy material they made it with which makes it unnecessarily heavy. But I still assume in the future the AVP will get real controllers and games, and considering it's a lot more powerful than the Quest 3, that will be impressive as the Quest 3 has some native games for it that are really good looking.
@@rodmunch69 There is no product category where this kind of price discrepancy (7x the difference) would have product A being for the same customer as product B. We can look at a cheap $20 watch you could go buy at Target vs a $120 watch at more high-end department store, or take that $120 watch and compare it to $1200 Christopher Ward Sealander watch. You would never compare a $1200 watch to a $6000 Rolex. Watches are a good example here, because you see all of these products are for very different levels of spending power and thus very different customers. But the Rolex customer, might also own a few less expensive watches, you get a little crossover on the way down but it's asinine to think one product priced 7x over another share the same market. They are marketed to completely differently, there's a different class, there's a different level of disposable income. We're not talking about a iPhone 15 Pro, which is maybe twice the cost of a value oriented mid-range phone, we're talking SEVEN TIMES THE PRICE. You need to understand what a luxury product is and the type of customer who can afford such things... On price point alone they are for different buyers. But beyond that the use cases also define what the product is. You can do a little gaming on Vision Pro, you can do a little productivity on Quest 3. Other than that very different.
Your review is pretty accurate, Apple as always have everything you want, build in to the headset. No tinkering required. For the true productive experience int the quest 3 you do need an app, like immersed. But isn't this also part of the quest 3's "ecosystem", this doesn't take away that you can do the stuff you could do on the AVP. So the only real difference is the fact that you could see AR graphs for productivity? Which, if you ask me, would not increase productivity and are just a gimmick...
Your second point was the screens. This I totally agree with. The screens on the AVP are the crème de la crème. But then again, if you are going for productivity, why not actually buy a screen that is rated for color grading and other color accurate work?
@magyx3014 "So the only real difference is the fact that you could see AR graphs for productivity?" Well, there are not a lot of apps using the spatial features, so the graph hovering in front of Excel was just an example... Imagine you're using professional film-editing software like Final Cut Pro. The core app is presented on AVP as a 2D window, but with video editing you can have multiple channels that get mixed together, leveraging the spatial UI features, developers can easily use the Z-axis to deliver additional, time-saving UI, so those channel bars can be layered in 3D. Each layer can have different FX, etc... The potential for app developers who have been locked into 2D UI to now have the Z-axis for rendering is at the core of what will make or break the Vision Pro as a mainstream product, because there's opportunity there to build spatial productivity apps (that can all run in parallel beside one another) that achieve real time saving features. the video editing channels layered on Z-axis an example... If you can save a user 30 minutes out of their day with innovative UI, that can add up to tens of thousands of dollars a year, the return on investment of a productivity device is entirely different than a game-centered headset like the Quest 3... Quest 3 doesn't have the compute power to run a dozen apps in parallel. It's smartphone level compute vs Mac/laptop level compute in Vision Pro, Q3 architecture just much better suited for the full immersive experiences than multi-tasking, which again is why "spatial computing" is a nice simple moniker to help customers understand core differences here.... As far as "ecosystem", let's be clear, Meta does not have an Ecosystem. Sure, you can get Facebook notifications from inside your Meta Quest and post the Horizon World screen caps to Facebook through the Facebook app on MetaQuest, that's pretty much the entire "ecosystem" integration... It's unworthy of the term "ecosystem". With Apple, you're smart phone, your watch, your tablet, your AppleTV device, you Mac are all participating and offering up various time-saving ecosystem services, exchanging data between devices to save you time, give you more of your day back... Let's not forget, time-saving is what technology is all about. I would argue Apple and Google are really the only two tech companies with ecosystems and that gets to another huge problem for Meta. They own zero of their core tech. Their compute is built by Qualcomm, any competitor can buy the latest XR2 SoC and build a competing device and even their operating system is a fork of Android and still beholden to it for many things, one of those things being the core UI toolkit. There is no native Meta UI toolkit that lets you do what SwiftUI does for Apple developers on VisionPro. If you're writing a program for Quest 3, you're using Unreal or Unity3D. Everything built for it, almost everything built for it is going through some third-party game engine with strict licensing terms that only make sense for game developers... It makes perfect since for Quest 3 because in every way it's a game console, it's not a computer any more than your Nintendo Switch is. It's even marketed as a game console, and like the Switch, the Quest 3 is pretty damn good at its intended purpose.
The huge fails for the AVP are its weight, lack of balance and lag. These are deal killers for many.
If they would have not implemented the front eyes screen it would have eliminated a huge cost and also saved battery life, weight, size, less compute power wasted, etc because no expensive curved glass front, no lenticular lens, no screen… would have made it a better headset. Unless there is some future use case or implementation that is better than what it currently is that was a major misstep to include. But I get it, without that front display it really is much more similar to other products on the market and it gives the impression that you are “seeing through” goggles rather than looking at screens.
As gimmicky as I knew it was, it was the one thing I was excited to see because it wasn’t just a better version of what we’ve already had on the market, it was something new we haven’t seen implemented in a headset. I’m actually surprised they released it without that part being MUCH better.
So far, everything I saw the Apple headset doing, I can do it with my Quest 3. Even better sometimes too, for much less money spent too 😁
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And with just a quarter of the pixels while a stream of your personal data is sold by Meta to anyone with cash. 😂
@@ennbeesearch on "Apple Just Traded
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@@ennbeeyoure acting like other companies dont do the same shit-
Wasnt Apple the company that scanned user pictures to "save the kids" without user permission? None of this companies are trustworthy, none really care about the user either.
Immersed VR (free) will give you more screen options and reflect your computer monitors as well.
I'm getting a bit miffed about people keep comparing the quest 3 and vision pro as if they're even in the same league... if you're gonna do an HONEST review, shouldn't it be with hardware designed for the same purpose... like the quest pro? 👀 it seems like a much fairer competition?
Edit, if your take from this paragraph is that I'm on apples side, then you need to work on your reading comprehension 👍🤣
Miffed because the Quest can do 80-90% of what the AVP can do for 1/7th the price? Yeah, I can see that would be annoying to an Apple fan.
@@TheoWerewolf I'm literally not an apple fan and you clearly don't have great reading comprehension 🤦🏼♂️🤣
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Compare the non-hardware reliant software stuff to the quest, but anything hardware needs to be compared to the Varjo XR4. Nothing less. The Varjo is the same price and has improved specs over the vision pro in a few ways.
You couldn't pull out that iphone from the browser on the quest because it's a usdz file which is only supported by Apple devices.
Apple actually spent years to build this feature into the web to make AR shopping useful one day.....the vision pro is that "one day" moment.
You'll find lots of similar features like this that Apple has been building in the open using AR on iphones and ipads...which all just work now on the vision pro.
"Apple actually spent years to build this feature into the web to make AR shopping useful one day" "which is only supported by Apple devices".
Yup. That's not really a noble accomplishment.
@@TheoWerewolf and what's wrong with that? Billions of people use their devices, plus USD is an open standard format, there's nothing stopping anyone from doing the same, Google has tried to Make AR on Android work the same way but it's lagging behind ios in terms of AR, and the fact that android suffers from too much segmentation doesn't help, most android products lack the features to make AR a reliable and consistent experience.
So yeah, it's noble accomplishment for Apple to make thier products work well.
The two "glasses" are designed for different uses, for the quest 3 game, and the vision pro for videos or video chat. One is AR and the other is Vr
For the multi-tasking on the Quest 3 just use the right app and you'll get a much better experience compared to the Vision Pro.
Was thinking the same, maybe immersed would have been a better apples to apples comparison. But looks like the Q3 can effectively match the results of the AVP for $3000 less at this stage in lifecycle
That's wrong and you even said why. The mere fact that you have to find and install "the right app" instead of the functionality being seamlessly integrated into the HMD's native OS, as AVP's is, would prove to be more difficult not to mention time-consuming for your typical end-user.
@@coinsagE46m3 you're right, if you struggle to install an app then you should definitely go for Apple.
@@coinsagE46m3 disagree, the "additional" time it takes to click an app in Q3 is nominal and not worth mentioning arguing over. The time it takes jump into a multi-monitor set up is going to be essentially the same. For instance, I just click or pinch to select Immersed and my 5 monitor set up loads. That said, the fidelity delta between the two could be the area in which the AVP excels, and given i have not experienced the multi monitor set up in the AVP, I cannot call it either way. However, from a functionality perspective, they very similar, and certainly not $3,000 apart.
He mentioned multiple browser screens open on the Apple Vision Pro, while on the Quest 3/2 it would only be three. However, there is an application called Reality Browser, available in the App Lab, which allows you to open several browser screens in your space in the environment with Passthrough activated, spreading the screens in your environment according to your preference (it doesn't need to be in a fixed point, as with Meta Quest's native Brower). I leave screens open with Gmail, Google Calendar, etc., as well as a larger one with a UA-cam video playing (the screens are resizable). And all screens are opened again the next time we use the application - sometimes not exactly in the same place we left them, but still with all screens open, making it much easier for us to return to where we were in the previous session.
I think to make really a fair comparison you should connect to a pc and use pcvr features too, for example with steamvr you can have infinite windows of anything you want around you and place then anywhere, you can also set up a vtuber like avatar of yourself for voice calls like people do for streams and vrchat and that's not limited to looking like you even you can make anything your avatar
Unfortunately this does require a PC to do. Also requires many extra steps to set these things up compared to AVP having it right out of the box
That's actually not a fair comparison at all as you need a VR-capable PC to do that. That's comparing apples and oranges which is not what Mike's trying to accomplish here.
@@coinsagE46m3my dude for the price of the apple vision pro you can buy like 3 very capable pcs
@@kesopuffs I mean if requirements are to be considered then the vision pro requires 3000 dollars over the quest, getting a PC is way cheaper then that, not to mention just the fact that you need steps to get something set up and working doesn't mean it can't be done and shouldn't be considered
Hows the visual quality difference? Is the Apple clearer or the other way around. If you were strictly comparing visual quality which one is better?
According to Max Tech, you can't watch video while moving (in a car, bus, train, plane) with Apple Vision Pro, so that kills a common use case. No heads-up display possible either, so walking with, say, a messenger or mapping app up is not possible. And gaming is no comparison -- not just hand-tracking, but game catalog. There's almost nothing available for the Vision Pro. It's a slick, high-quality device, but it's so focused on AR, I think it's a terrible choice for most people.
I'm sure someone has already posted but another means of messaging you can do, likely on either, is use google messages for web from the browser to text within the headsets if you use the google messages app on your phone.
Bigscreen has great rentable 3D movies, it's odd the plug-in streaming services wouldn't also provide them.
Bigscreen removed the movie renting.
Maybe it will be coming now that Vision Pro is creating more demand for it. It would be a simple thing to add support in Netflix, Prime, Disney+ etc for 3D content on Quest 3.
Thank you for speaking the truth . Ever since I returned my psVR2 . I made it a mission to teach others so they don’t get cheated like me . We need people like you who will speak the logical truth .
Basically, the only real advantage for $3,500 you're getting is access to 3D movies which Meta used to have with the Vudu and BigScreen apps but dropped support for. At least we can still watch 3D movies by backing up 3D Blu-rays.
Did you watch the same video? Lol
Since you have a mic stuck to your face already wouldn't it make more sense to dictate your document writing rather than using a keyboard at all?
I'd recommend you talk with someone who actually uses the Q3/Pro for productivity to check that you aren't forgetting something important worth mentioning. I felt like you didn't have enough experience with it for work.
i used to watch your channle 5 years ago when the quest 1 came out and im so happy to see your channle is still great and your intro stayed. keep up the good work!
"the Apple Vision Pro [...] is much more capable"
Are you for real? The Quest 3 can do waaay more things (and also better)
There is a closer - panel view instead. I think you can have more app running in panels, instead of the curved screen look, you can have panels that are not in fixed area you can move around
I wish people would stop defending this headset. Battery life is horrid for what is supposed to be a productive unit, and while it may be better then quest 3 it isn't so much better to justify nearly 4k. Not to mention quest keeps getting new productivity features it will likely get closer then it is now. Not to mention lacking physical controls is beyond ridiculous the quests price includes controllers and even includes paid software. Apple is so scared of being seen as a vr headset it created a bunch of compromises and tons of expensive HEAVY materials that serve no functional purpose.
- person that hasn't tried it
haters gonna hate 😂 this guy is comparing a first gen product with a third gen product that has settled with their market for years. dumb statement that no one's gonna waste their time to read anyways 🤷🏻♀️
@@chrikke I have tried it. It's cool but not worth the price or compromise
Apple vision pro is in another world its not meant for gaming its a work station not a gaming vr headset
@kanomee it's apples first outing but not first gen important difference. If a new competitor entered the TV market or laptop manufacturing or anything else you would expect them to be with the times. Especially if they are toting themselves as "premium" and asking for premium level pricing. And a company as experienced as apple is and have been in consumer electronics for years this is a huge disappointment compared to the normal quality of their products.
You need to set your camera to manual focus, it picks up on your hands sometimes and make you seem blurry. Manual focus or a longer field of depth, compensated for by a higher ISO or slower framerate or more lighting.
Cool tech, but couldn't justify a months salary on one.
As soon as they announced the Vision Pro, I thought "Yep, I'm def getting a Quest 3!"...because they are, in principle, the same device (less the eye tracking). Have enjoyed a largely similar experience, at a fraction of the price, before the VPro even hit the market.
plus quest 3 has access to all PC titles and isn't closed like the Apple headset.
The moment consumer model Apple Vision arrives it's gonna be the defacto headset for general use, with Quest being the gaming headset
not if you're not an Apple user anyway. For the rest of the world Meta will simply improve their user interface and most of the things you can do on Vision Pro can be done on Quest 3, since it's more or less based on how the software works. Nevertheless, the Apple Vision Pro is the more advanced headset, at least for now.
@@ProgrammistMusicnot a chance. Apple will always be multiple steps ahead of meta simply because of their infrastructure and ecosystem. By the time meta has a ui as capable as apple’s, Apple will have already gotten further ahead. The only way for meta to catch up is for the tech to reach full maturity and for there to be nowhere to really go like smartphones now. Meta will copy Apple like android did, and Apple may copy meta on a few things if any, but that’s it
@@Millicente "Meta will copy Apple like android did?" Apple copies android, just to let you know. Also, Apple is the one copying Meta, so I don't know what you are trying to say... Apple always just copies from others and publishes a little but more polished version of it. This still means that they are always behind though.
@@ProgrammistMusic you can't relay on the browser for everything and that's what you mostly get on the quest, games and a web browser
@@ProgrammistMusic That’s what people said about the iPhone and iPad
Is the quest 3 worth it? Should I get one if I already have a quest 2? I’m not sure! 🤔
I cantr wait for a consumer version of the apple vision pro
me too, the technology as well as the competitors will only get better from here.
Huh? The VP is a consumer headset
I can't tell if you're joking or not but $3500 is not consumer friendly, also look at the name, it is not meant for consumers, its meant for professionals@@chrikke
@@DatIsDelta What exactly do you think "consumer" means? Are macbooks not for "consumers"=
@@chrikke A macbook is meant for a consumer and macbook pro isn't.
Is it just me or do many of these tasks seem a lot easier to perform without the headsets, which do little to nothing aside from making completing said tasks more cumbersome?
The point of these headsets is to create larger workspaces for those who don't have the monitors already, or for more immersive experiences
Something crucial you missed (though you might be aware at this point);
You didn't mention that the Meta Quest 3 can have 3 more apps (apart from browser) detatched from the main three screens.
The biggest things for me between the Quest and Vision Pro is that the Quest supports PCVR and has the freedom of Android
For what the Quest is lacking officially, anyone has the freedom to make/install their own software or even hardware without jumping through hoops. It's a lot more freedom despite being 1/7th of the price (and that's excluding add-ons, I'd be forced to buy the $200 lenses for the Pro)
shows quest 3 can do everything then says vision pro is much more capable, what am I missing?
there are alot of hidden features in the q3 that many ppl seems to ingore. for example: you can basically sideload any android app on the q3, including email apps, media players etc. you can use lightning launcher to play everything in the background. you can use skybox to watch movies in passthrough, you could also use any android media player and use a thirdparty home environment. the biggest difference is that there is no social stuff on the vision pro, you are always alone.
What about taking of the apple headset quickly because maybe the eyes itch and then back on again? You have to login again and rearrange every window you had.
I have a DJI action cam - I wonder if it would work with that as a visor for the video feed.
Just use Immersed on the Meta Quest 3. It's free and can use 2 additional screens beyond the physical screen connected to your computer. Granted, you do need to be synced with your computer.
Just jumping in real quick at 3.32 .. I use a foldable bluetooth keyboard on the Quest 1, 2 and 3.. Costing about £15 when I got it.. Works perfect with the Quest headsets and portable too.. Who can tell me you can carry, or you do carry your logitech keyboard with you?
Two comments:
- For the Quest 3 you only show the supplied screen system. There are others you can install like Immersed.
- The Apple Magic Keyboard can also be paired to the Quest 3 (any bluetooth keyboard can)
Also, if you plan on using your headset for any significant amount of gaming there is really no competition. The Quest 3 has a vast library of great games and can easily be used with SteamVR for PC gaming at high fidelity, either tethered or wireless. It also has XBox streaming with game pass paired up with an hand controller. And yes, ofc the Quest 3 actually comes with hand controllers which really is essential for games enabling so much more interactivity - it also enables a lot of tools that would be hard to do with hand tracking and pinching alone.
The question is whether you could attach a document to the email you send in the headset. Im sure that if you were using google apps via a browser that might be possible. And presumably Is it possible to send files created in apv apps via email or link to icloud?
Can you do a productivity comparison between the Vision Pro and 'just a normal computer'?
Which Logitech keyboard are you using for the meta quest? I’m having a hard time finding one
have you tried immersed on the meta quest 3?? Seems like they provide more Options than the Virtual Desktop or whatever option the default is..
Does the Quest use windows or what OS do you connect it with to have multiple windows like this?
You should have demo’d the time it takes to actually get into these productive modes. How long from stand by does it take to setup a multi window environment / start writing emails
What type of Logitech keyboard are you using ? Can you put a link where to buy it. Cheers
any bluetooth keyboard or mouse, without a usb-dongle, that would also connect to an android phone will work with the quest
You can use swipe typing on the meta quest 3. Is that available on apple vision pro? The video focused on supplementing the experience with a physical keyboard, but I think it’s important to note that there is swipe typing on quest.
Is multi window support almost there? I don’t find the resolution is sharp enough without tweaking the native res of the quest 3.
How about doing actual productivity? Using productivity apps, pulling your MacBook screen into AVP the significantly different resolution and much better pass through?