The problem with the food math is A) We Americans eat MUCH more than basic survival B) You could also just have basic nutrient bars, which could be stacked in literal bricks. C) You did not take into account that this is Boston, therefore we also require equal amounts of donuts and coffee.
Uhh, but Americans know when to rashion (or how every you spell it) Americans wouldn't eat that much because they can't, because they don't have that much food. And even if they could the overseer wouldn't let them
Created To Comment yeah I'm going to stick with you if that's alright because my lazy self isn't building a shelter but I am sure that I will pay you in bottle caps and or food item
We are applying this with the impression that generally speaking the fallout world operates like the real world. The food you find spewed all over the wasteland is more than likely just an issue of game play.
I think the inclusion of 200 year old food and drink that is still (more-or-less) edible / potable is a not-so-subtle dig at the amount of additives and preservatives being pumped into our food.
You dont need a filtration system leading to the surface. you just need an "oxygen farm". literally a room full of plants whose sole purpose is to produce oxygen for the vault inhabitants.
There are ways to produce oxygen besides plants. Nuclear submarines have machines that split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen, purging the hydrogen out of vents into the surrounding water and adding the oxygen to the air by way of air scrubbers. For emergencies they also have a supply of magic candles that when burnt produce oxygen gas.
You could also make oxygen inside the vault from water by electrolysis, during which water splits into oxygen and hydrogen. This is used for example on the ISS, where the electricity needed for the oxygen generators is produced by the stations solar panels. In theory, the reaction's by-product hydrogen could also be used as a fuel for fusion power, if such facilities were to be put in place.
Well, your reactors didn't run on H2 though. If they did you could pipe your HVAC exhaust straight into the reactor and lessen the explosion risk, as there's never much free H2 at one time.
If the vault has an absolutely massive storage of dry foods and clean water, then yes. Anything can survive in there. We have in our modern day and age food that is practically just powder in a bag, and it has incredible nutritional values. It does not go bad as long as the packaging stays intact, and to eat it you just add water. It takes a lot less space, is nutritious and doesn't go bad. Perfect food for a vault, wouldn't you say? Plus, the Vault doors would hold up as long as the explosion didn't happen directly on the door itself. As for oxygen, it is possible to make it out of other substances, same with water.
I know this is very late, but Fallout scientists figured out how to make food that doesn’t really ever go bad, that is why most fallout food you find is still ok.
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the average american consumes 1 ton of food, yes, but in a situation like this i think most people would eat a lot less so you can round it down to 600kg(assuming it's metric tons), like you never see overweight people in the vaults, and this is because they don't have the abundance of food that we have today
True, and that significantly helps with the 100+ year vault. I'm sure rationing would be built into the system of a vault that's going to be closed that long anyway (ignoring, of course, any other variables from vault experiments). The issue of storage would still be daunting, of course.
Yeah, we are only able to eat 1 ton of food a year because we dont have a shortage of it, and at this point we dont have to ration our food out yet. However, in a vault, theyd have to ration it out a decent bit, so Id say theyd eat 1500 pounds a year.
Hi ShoddyCast! I recently ran a Fallout themed experiment for Research for my Biol. major, attempting to investigate the potential rates of mutations in populations of Drosophila flies when exposed to radiation. While my school lacked the equipment to use gamma radiation (ended up using UV), I did come across a litany of past studies done in the US about the feasibility of large scale nuclear shelters, survival planning and rates, high value targeting, etc. This was a great vid! And I totally agree that while we have the ability to sustain life in such a shelter as those in Fallout, it requires a large amount of logistical planning and foresight to ensure survival for even 25 years! A lot of thought went into the vid, and it shows in all the vids the crew of ShoddyCast puts out! Keep up the great work! One last thing, while surviving a nuclear attack may seem hard, home-built fallout shelters were only necessary for as little as 2 weeks to more than 1 month for areas with higher levels of radiation, due to decay rates. It was assumed that once the exchange had ceased and the fallout radiation died down, you would have a situation similar to the game 60 Seconds, where the government/military would signal the all clear, or aid in evacuation.
The vaults hold up in even better in the food department, if you consider that the inhabitants would most like not eat fresh bread every day etc., but lightweight packed food with nutrients and calories, like astronauts.
Surviving a "direct hit": It depends on what you mean by "direct hit." We know that NORAD is rated to survive a 30 megaton bomb but this does not mean surviving a 30 megaton warhead literally carted up to the bunker's doors. It survives in part because it's tunnel structure leading to the doors helps redirect the energy so that it is not a sustained assault on the metal. Remember, just because something is high temperature doesn't mean that it has the capacity to melt something else. First off we are concerned with the total thermal energy stored (BTUs) and not just how concentrated (temperature) Second we are concerned about the capacity of said object to transfer this thermal energy (influenced by contact time, material type and the temperature difference between the objects.) Third we are concerned with the target object's capacity to absorb the energy which is greatly influenced by the object's mass. So if we are concerned with just the thermal assault on the metal, a thin door actually may have the yield strength to survive the kinetic energy transferred by the shockwave but is so thin that the thermal energy transfer will just melt it. How thick does something need to be to survive the thermal energy depends on the length of time the blast is in contact with it, we have seen in Hiroshima deformed bicycles, bottles and coins instead of pools of metal because the blast did not sustain long enough to melt them completely. NORAD is capable of surviving a bomb basically on it's doorstep because the tunnel system prevents the energy from staying pressed against the door. Depending on the Vault tech design a similar situation could be observed. This is especially true of fallout 1 and 2 vaults as opposed to Bethesda's retarded revised door system later in the series. Original fallout doors are designed so that the pressure of the blast will press the door tightly into the door frame ensuring seal against the radiation. In Fallout 3 onward the doors instead of opening outward open inward, essentially meaning it's just a big unsupported block of useless metal waiting for a bomb to literally blast it off its track and into the vault killing everyone.
Almonzer Fayyadh the vaults are supposed to be luxury living not bear minimum so a average American having the average American consumption would be a luxury to them
You forgot one big problem: When the Beantown Bomb went off, in the intro scene, the elevator started to go down. A blast wave comes by near the same time, presumably followed by a fine mist of radioactive fallout. Fresh fallout, actually. Packing a lot of rads. The people on that platform had to shield their eyes from the light. Light is just another form of radiation. How many rads did Nate and Nora soak up on that platform? How much fallout is swirling around them in that elevator shaft as the gear pulls the toxic air down into the shaft, and thus down into the waiting open vault door at the bottom? Everyone in that vault should be dead. And when you're "unfrozen" a few centuries later? Well... the second time around, they are. But you aren't. I actually have some groundbreaking hidden lore on all of that. Austin, if you want to email me, I'll share it with you. You're about the only UA-camr who could do it justice.
+Jeoshua Collins lol you have a good point and every one on that elevator shuld be dead or have sever cancer but the tanks they went into culd of pumped radaway into them
Quintin Castro That's what they were told, that they were decontamination units, but actually they were Cryo Pods. There was no injection, there is no apparatus for that in the pods. I mean, supposedly there is a decontaminator as you enter (right past the bridge controls, past the turnstyle. It buzzes as you go through), but with the amount of radioactive material swirling in an around the room, over and around the decontamination "arch", I can't see it doing much good at all.
I see only 1 issue with this one. The 25000 tons. The standard American diet is about 2-3 times more than we need to survive. With rationing and supplementation, You can easily cut it down to about 10,000-12,000 tons/25 yrs. or 80,000-96,000 tons for 200 years. Depending on what you store, its just a mid sized warehouse.
+Diasent Domorincon I'm wondering if that ton is counting water weight/mass, because as stated, water isn't really an issue if you have the right equipment. It wouldn't be unreasonable to think that the food storage would be dehydrated to maximize storage, and keep things from spoiling. - Unless the line "expiration date: never" was actually somehow true, and processed food really just never expires In the Fallout universe. Sure the food would probably taste like wet cardboard mush, unless they perfected rehydrating, but it will keep you alive, and future generations wouldn't know what actual fresh food tasted like... Actually the food paste program in Suffolk County Charter school might have been an experiment in the viability to such foods =/
Well the one thing that Fallout tech has slowed is good expirations if you notice, Fallout food is all canned, boxed or ready to eat. So a lot of food wouldn’t go off, or would not become harmful to eat, so Vaults could stock up on food that is in such large amounts that it lasts for hundreds of years.
+Bertziethegreat America, and many other countries, already have 'vaults' built. They were a left over from the Cold War. Mount Weather is one in America, and if you are to believe the conspiracy, the international airport in Denver sits on top of a new one. This is not even taking into account the military bases that have vast underground livable areas spread throughout the world.
In fallout 3, before you leave, a few people mention that the vault was not always closed. Perhaps they traded with the people in settlements such as Megaton, Rivet City and the like.
I know you published this one month ago, but I'd like to point out a gloss-over in this video. The melting point of the vault doors Vs the heat of a nuclear bomb. Yes, I admit, the temperature at the moment of ignition is well in excess of the melting point of tungsten, but the X factor is this; how long is it maintained? An ice cube dropped onto a frying pan doesn't blink out of existence. It takes a period of time for heat to permeate any object. Those vault doors are between two and three feet thick. Even if the surface layers begin to ablate and liquefy (or potentially vaporize entirely) would the duration of the heat be long enough to get through before it begins to dissipate?
You make a very good point, and if the doors are made of steel, or as he said even tungsten, those two metals have the slowest heat transmission rates of any other metal. I would know, I'm an aspiring blacksmith. There's a lot of other variables to consider as well: Every Vault shown to date has been in a cave, or very far underground by way of an elevator. Even if the bomb landed directly on top of the vault's location, the cave would act as a funnel, meaning that very little of that heat would actually reach the vault itself. Rock is a very good insulator, as far as heat is concerned. Not to mention, since the technology and mindset hadn't evolved since the fifties, it would be safe to presume that the entire Vault, ESPECIALLY the door, would be insulated with asbestos. Yes, it causes health problems, but there's a reason it was used, as it was the best heat insulator known to man at the time. Nowadays, I'd suggest Kevlar as a suitable heat-shielding replacement.
In Fallout Tactics, Vault 0 (which is/was the central control for the Vault network) is accessed by detonating a nuclear bomb right outside the main vault door. Vault 0 is/was supposed to be the most secure Vault in the network, and located in the Fallout universe where N.O.R.A.D. is located in our world, in a similar facility which was upgraded to be substantially strong. Also, other than VaultTech's statements on the matter in the Bethesda games, the original games put the strength at being able to withstand indirect blasts withing one mile of the main access for the vault.
The engineering behind actual nuclear bunkers is interesting. The Cheyenne Mountain Facility (former location of NORAD) is actually a giant chamber filled with buildings, which sets on a giant bed of springs. The springs absorb the majority of the shock from the bombs, so the facility is more or less intact.
Technically Alpha radiation is most HARMFUL, but it can't penetrate skin, so isn't as threatening in terms of nuclear weapons. However, ingestion of an Alpha-emitter would be far more deadly than any possible threat from Gamma.
Fault 101 didn't open it's doors 200 years later, it opened them earlier. You could have checked the terminals for that. Also 'dad' and you entered vault 101 when you were just a baby, meaning it did open about 19 years before you get out again. Before that it opened as well for other vaultdwellers who dit reach Megaton for example, must have been near Greyditch at some point (but the ant photo must be a story plot hole as those ants didn't grow up to that size much later when you were almost getting out. Give or take a year) Vault 101 has been opened in a 50/60 year period at least 3 times before you leave it at age 19. So vault 101 was opened at least 50 years before it should have been opened.
Vaults are suppose to have hydro-agricultural farms. Don't really see them in games, but it was set in lore in the Vault Dweller's Survival Guide all the way back in Fallout 1. Too much of a lore freak not to put that out there.
I'm pretty sure the vault under the sharecropper farms in new Vegas was some sort of agricultural-heavy vault. I can't think of the name off the top of my head but I could be wrong. it's been a few years lol
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Austin you missed a bit of info about how well structures can be built to survive a direct nuclear blast. the short of it is it is far more easy to do so than you stated. Take the now decommissioned Cheyenne Mountain Complex which built using 60s technology was capable of surviving a 30 megaton nuclear blast within 2 kilometers that's literally within the fireball! As you established earlier atomic weapons in the world of Fallout were much smaller at between 200 and 750 kilotons. The upper end of that scale is only 1/40th of what a real world complex could withstand nearly point blank! putting this into prospective it is fairly easy yo believe that the more well constructed vaults like vault 81 (given most of it is an elevator ride down) would survive a direct blast since the bombs in the Fallout universe are just so damn small compared to the real world! The real challenge is leaving since large amounts of debris would likely block the doorway. Cheyenne mountain solved this by having doors wide enough to drive heavy construction equipment through and parking excavators inside. They also had an on staff crew of engineers and an empty building for spoil when it came time to dig out. The vaults didn't have this as you would see some form of garage near the entrance but you don't. So in conclusion a vault could probably survive an in universe atomic blast but the occupants would be buried for good. Sincerely, LORDOceanus
You are absolutely right. A well built bunker can be surprisingly close to a nuclear blast and still survive. Having a lot of earth over you helps enormously plus any ground cover in between the blast and the door to the bunker can usually the brunt of the force so unless the blast is just too close or has a direct line of sight to the bunker door the doorway can usually survive intact.
8:05 what you forgot was tgat vault 101 was open for many years and tgey even traded with settlements and caravans before the overseer decided to close the vault.
I would love to see your take on the train in the movie Snowpiercer. How possible would it be to make a self sufficient train, and what requirements would there be? Population constraints, maintenance, food etc.
What if they had layers of materials that were intended to vaporize instantly, thus creating an insulating layer of gasses. Similar to how tank armor that explodes when hit works?
Dear Austin, You know what I want you to cover? A follow-up to the Vaults but with a focus on Human Relationships? I mean think about 1000 people in an enclosed space...what about difference races and how they are handled? Marriage? Puberty? Factions and groups and splintering. Entertainment, music and culture. I mean the Vault leaders can decide to ignore certain parts of history, religion, etc and raise a group of mindless followers. Everyone could grow up marrying their sister....so and so forth. Think of the implications that would have for the opening of vaults 10,20,30 years later, etc. What about death? Burials or cremations, etc? Sincerely, VincentCecelia
8:08 Listening to him talk about foodstuffs not lasting as long as my fallout 4 character eats irradiated salisbury steak that has survived for 200 years while in a radioactive wasteland.
The food weight is way off considering you are looking at nutrition and overall caloric count not it's weight. For example a well balanced dense survival ration could have 5-6k calories and weigh very little. You also have to consider what a human NEEDS to survive and maintain a healthy weight. What most people eat is well over what they actually require.
+PC Invictus which overall, makes the food storage thing even more plausible, making vaults even more realistic. wahoo, we just need to build them now!
Oh, well I get to call bullshit on the first point. The point of two percent failure rate on direct hit. I do remember seeing a documentary a while back showing high class shelters designed for government officials in today's time can survive direct blasts of up to 20 megaton bombs. And as we know that' because direct impacts are impossible because the vaults are underground. And we also know from the last video the bombs used in fallout were typically around 200-750 kilotons. That coupled with future technology I think 2% failure rate is a very conservative number.
Depends what's considered a 'direct hit' and you have to remember in the fallout universe there technology is advanced way beyond our own but there development is behind (It's hard for me to describe but back then they couldn't the closest they got to mobile phones or computers were the pipboys) idk I'm no expert
+RainbowPig 007 There's no silicon chips to make cpus and stuff in fallout so their technology, complete with artificial resources like plasteel or something is way ahead, but computers and stuff had to be a lot more useless to fit it all in. I still don't know how the turrets and robots work though, that's some really good AI for terminal level computers. Robobrains make enough sense, and in fallout 3 you could almost claim that everything was controlled by a bigger control room, but fallout 4 with more turrets set up by bandits in the middle of nowhere and robots you can make yourself are extremely implausible.
RainbowPig 007 Well actually in the fallout universe the timeline diverges from our own and the advancement were made in nuclear power rather than computational. This is why basically everything is nuclear powered, even the radios which is why much of the tech still works. You might notice the prewar stuff has no cords because they had micronuclear power plants inside them. The had crap computers but they also figured out who to make Ai's work on such crap computers. How I just don't know.
Institute underground base are considered as Vault if you ask me. For some reasons, it is the most success Vault than others. Experiment : Vault full of scientist instead ordinary people.
+Mason V wqell yeah those scientist fucked up haha. i remember firstr walking into that corner and being like yo wtf! what is all this green stuff haha.
I'm calling bullshit on the doors. As far as I'm aware, all of the final, sealed vault doors are not directly exposed to the outside, but inset down a tunnel. Secondly, the time of exposure to that high of heat isn't long enough to slag the entire thing. Third, are the doors stated to be JUST solid steel? Are there any ceramic plating sandwiched between? The thermal fluctuation between them would insulate against one another, even if the gases, adhesives, the material itself of the layers. Fourth, you nixed your previous findings of the payloads of the nukes used. Yes, temperatures at ground zero can be that high, but with what weapons? We're not talking about Hydrogen bombs here, but relatively infinitesimal tactical nukes, barely more potent than dirty bombs.
+CheffBryan Also, why does he assume the vault people would keep eating the ridiculous amount they do on average in our time? Efficient nutrition could cut WAY back on that if you had to. Do you know how much stuff people eat is just empty calories?
L0rd Log1c Good point. It's not like they stocked up only on junk food or anything. Then there are MREs. Being prior military, I can assure you that even two complete MREs these days are more than enough to feed a normal person for an entire day, and they certainly take up less room than the three square meals he's assumed. Survival has a hell of a lot smaller requirement than modern comfort.
Could you imagine if they ever use a new engine and they could show a vault with several hundred people? That would be awesome... if someone else did it.
It can be read on terminals in vault 101 that there were sometimes patrols sent to the surface, and I imagine they had a good way to produce lots of food
daniel117100 thats more along the lines of my original intent. New vegas is undeniably a huge part of the fallout universe, as it ties into the originals more so than fallout 3.
Good vid. I would like to add two things: 1. the melting point of a blast door might be lower than the temperature of an A bomb explosion, but it's applied very briefly - it could melt it a bit, probably not the whole way through (the USA tested atom bombs on a captured japan battleship - an explosion near buy sunk it, but didn't melt it, as far as I know). 2. You could, with proper technology preserve food almost indefinitely. Honey doesn't spoil. Fruit cake (the dried thing rapped in foil) is as eternal as a fossil. Canned food could last very long. 200 years? Well, it's hard to say. Dehydrated foods (uneatable unless mixed with water) would probably last that much. But you are right of course, growing food is the way to go.
you can see the materials a vault door is made of because the fallout 4 vault 88 that was added by the dlc with the ghoul overseer will give you a old style vault door from the vaults in the first games that you can build in a workbench
I'd love a video on food preservation technology! I've learned about it before, in social study classes and post harvest agriculture procedure, but there's a lot of history, technology and expansions that we simply didn't go in depth on, and not in a contextualized way, of their relation to each other, or meeting specific hypothetical requirements. It's an interesting and relevant topic, food preservation. Plus I think it's decently trendy, with fermentation crazes, and public affinity for smoked and candied foods, if we're talking chemical preservation as opposed to developments in storage and packaging
the 25 year vault is doable with a warehouse of more food equal in size to the Tesco Ireland distribution center, as well as a hydroponics bay which could be expanded into the warehouse area as MREs were eaten
The problem with the food math is
A) We Americans eat MUCH more than basic survival
B) You could also just have basic nutrient bars, which could be stacked in literal bricks.
C) You did not take into account that this is Boston, therefore we also require equal amounts of donuts and coffee.
plus, they are not above pulling a soylent green at vault tech
Uhh, but Americans know when to rashion (or how every you spell it)
Americans wouldn't eat that much because they can't, because they don't have that much food. And even if they could the overseer wouldn't let them
yeah that was 70% joking :P
Tani Greene ohh sorry
I thought they did, one of the Vaults, number escapes me, became cannibals, eating their inhabitants.
Note to self: Dig Fallout shelter deeper than 3 feet...
most are under 50 feet
Sheldoom Gaming
I think I'll need a bigger shovel
Created To Comment yeah I'm going to stick with you if that's alright because my lazy self isn't building a shelter but I am sure that I will pay you in bottle caps and or food item
I think your are going to need a nuclear weapon to make a nuclear shelter
I'm your 200th like
anyone have a water chip
+Overseer Jacoren Nah, better send some Vault Dweller to get one for you and then banish him.
I have pizza rolls...
+Overseer Jacoren Nah man... check out Vault 8/ Vault City though. They literally have thousands of the things.
Spooky Bees Nuka Cola, need Nuka Cola...
Better back off man I got bloody mess
All i know about vaults is that... Tunnel Snakes rule
wanna see a real tunnel snake (;
oh go i love memes
I destroyed Butch for taking my sweet rolls but not before his mother was eaten by radroaches.
You have 111 likes.... Hmmm
Tunnel Snakes drool, LUNA RULES!
dont forget that food in fallout never goes bad. Im not sure I would want to eat a 200 yr old potato but beggars cant be choosers lol
But potato crisps.
We are applying this with the impression that generally speaking the fallout world operates like the real world.
The food you find spewed all over the wasteland is more than likely just an issue of game play.
I think the inclusion of 200 year old food and drink that is still (more-or-less) edible / potable is a not-so-subtle dig at the amount of additives and preservatives being pumped into our food.
The advancements in technology helped develop preservatives to keep food fresh.
I just can’t see you being able to store hundreds of years of food in a vault
Sorry to Tell you Austin, but I think Bethesda's blocked your address by now.
+Hamsters Plural I'm pretty sure they're also getting legal advice for a restraining order.
+Hamsters Plural Thanks for the laugh xD
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I'd assumed he was sharing his google doc with Bethesda.
What's the restraining order thing about?
just a joke :)
You dont need a filtration system leading to the surface. you just need an "oxygen farm". literally a room full of plants whose sole purpose is to produce oxygen for the vault inhabitants.
I doubt that would work
Gahlok12
its a start
Crimson Vulpes True, true
There are ways to produce oxygen besides plants. Nuclear submarines have machines that split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen, purging the hydrogen out of vents into the surrounding water and adding the oxygen to the air by way of air scrubbers. For emergencies they also have a supply of magic candles that when burnt produce oxygen gas.
Danny Gray
Water is a precious resource vault do not have to waste
You could also make oxygen inside the vault from water by electrolysis, during which water splits into oxygen and hydrogen. This is used for example on the ISS, where the electricity needed for the oxygen generators is produced by the stations solar panels. In theory, the reaction's by-product hydrogen could also be used as a fuel for fusion power, if such facilities were to be put in place.
Well, your reactors didn't run on H2 though. If they did you could pipe your HVAC exhaust straight into the reactor and lessen the explosion risk, as there's never much free H2 at one time.
Joshua Tucker you could if the sub is big enougth, farms and animals down there could work
Not to mention the fact that two stalks of corn arr enough to sustain a person forever in the fallout universe.
yeah, tell that to survival mode
You have to eat like, six Brahmin a day.
But survival isn't even that difficult as far as foods concerned.
If the vault has an absolutely massive storage of dry foods and clean water, then yes. Anything can survive in there. We have in our modern day and age food that is practically just powder in a bag, and it has incredible nutritional values. It does not go bad as long as the packaging stays intact, and to eat it you just add water. It takes a lot less space, is nutritious and doesn't go bad. Perfect food for a vault, wouldn't you say?
Plus, the Vault doors would hold up as long as the explosion didn't happen directly on the door itself.
As for oxygen, it is possible to make it out of other substances, same with water.
I know this is very late, but Fallout scientists figured out how to make food that doesn’t really ever go bad, that is why most fallout food you find is still ok.
@@toby1061 most foods in fallout last
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Excuse me, but you clearly have never heard of the Perfectly Preserved Pie.
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Wait did Pete Hines actually get a order of protection
more storyteller what about the vault dewller
666,420 subs (high illuminati confirmed).
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Would you help me build a fallout style vault?
the average american consumes 1 ton of food, yes, but in a situation like this i think most people would eat a lot less so you can round it down to 600kg(assuming it's metric tons), like you never see overweight people in the vaults, and this is because they don't have the abundance of food that we have today
True, and that significantly helps with the 100+ year vault. I'm sure rationing would be built into the system of a vault that's going to be closed that long anyway (ignoring, of course, any other variables from vault experiments).
The issue of storage would still be daunting, of course.
i agree they would most likely have a daily food limit
Yeah, we are only able to eat 1 ton of food a year because we dont have a shortage of it, and at this point we dont have to ration our food out yet. However, in a vault, theyd have to ration it out a decent bit, so Id say theyd eat 1500 pounds a year.
Not to mention babies and small children don't require as much food, teens might get a bit more though.
Just give everybody 1 pound of food a day
only 365 a year per person
Hi ShoddyCast! I recently ran a Fallout themed experiment for Research for my Biol. major, attempting to investigate the potential rates of mutations in populations of Drosophila flies when exposed to radiation. While my school lacked the equipment to use gamma radiation (ended up using UV), I did come across a litany of past studies done in the US about the feasibility of large scale nuclear shelters, survival planning and rates, high value targeting, etc. This was a great vid! And I totally agree that while we have the ability to sustain life in such a shelter as those in Fallout, it requires a large amount of logistical planning and foresight to ensure survival for even 25 years!
A lot of thought went into the vid, and it shows in all the vids the crew of ShoddyCast puts out! Keep up the great work!
One last thing, while surviving a nuclear attack may seem hard, home-built fallout shelters were only necessary for as little as 2 weeks to more than 1 month for areas with higher levels of radiation, due to decay rates. It was assumed that once the exchange had ceased and the fallout radiation died down, you would have a situation similar to the game 60 Seconds, where the government/military would signal the all clear, or aid in evacuation.
The vaults hold up in even better in the food department, if you consider that the inhabitants would most like not eat fresh bread every day etc., but lightweight packed food with nutrients and calories, like astronauts.
Wolfsgeist Not to mention hidden hydroponics in some vaults
Surviving a "direct hit": It depends on what you mean by "direct hit." We know that NORAD is rated to survive a 30 megaton bomb but this does not mean surviving a 30 megaton warhead literally carted up to the bunker's doors. It survives in part because it's tunnel structure leading to the doors helps redirect the energy so that it is not a sustained assault on the metal.
Remember, just because something is high temperature doesn't mean that it has the capacity to melt something else. First off we are concerned with the total thermal energy stored (BTUs) and not just how concentrated (temperature) Second we are concerned about the capacity of said object to transfer this thermal energy (influenced by contact time, material type and the temperature difference between the objects.) Third we are concerned with the target object's capacity to absorb the energy which is greatly influenced by the object's mass.
So if we are concerned with just the thermal assault on the metal, a thin door actually may have the yield strength to survive the kinetic energy transferred by the shockwave but is so thin that the thermal energy transfer will just melt it. How thick does something need to be to survive the thermal energy depends on the length of time the blast is in contact with it, we have seen in Hiroshima deformed bicycles, bottles and coins instead of pools of metal because the blast did not sustain long enough to melt them completely. NORAD is capable of surviving a bomb basically on it's doorstep because the tunnel system prevents the energy from staying pressed against the door. Depending on the Vault tech design a similar situation could be observed.
This is especially true of fallout 1 and 2 vaults as opposed to Bethesda's retarded revised door system later in the series. Original fallout doors are designed so that the pressure of the blast will press the door tightly into the door frame ensuring seal against the radiation. In Fallout 3 onward the doors instead of opening outward open inward, essentially meaning it's just a big unsupported block of useless metal waiting for a bomb to literally blast it off its track and into the vault killing everyone.
Wasn't vault 101 opened several times after the war?
+neenomorph nerdlinen Yeah, but it's unlikely they would be able to get thousands of tones of food to resupply.
fair enough
and they ran out of food if you reed the monitors
Couldn't they start many farms?
true
You should have calculated the food a human requires , not the average American
Preach!
Almonzer Fayyadh but the vaults are in The U.S. so I don't see why.
Captain Zeke no thats not what i meant, i meant the requirements rather than the average , we can all cut down our food and still live healthy
Almonzer Fayyadh the vaults are supposed to be luxury living not bear minimum so a average American having the average American consumption would be a luxury to them
Almonzer Fayyadh MCDONAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLĹLLLDDDDDDDDDDS
You forgot one big problem:
When the Beantown Bomb went off, in the intro scene, the elevator started to go down. A blast wave comes by near the same time, presumably followed by a fine mist of radioactive fallout. Fresh fallout, actually. Packing a lot of rads. The people on that platform had to shield their eyes from the light. Light is just another form of radiation. How many rads did Nate and Nora soak up on that platform? How much fallout is swirling around them in that elevator shaft as the gear pulls the toxic air down into the shaft, and thus down into the waiting open vault door at the bottom?
Everyone in that vault should be dead. And when you're "unfrozen" a few centuries later? Well... the second time around, they are. But you aren't.
I actually have some groundbreaking hidden lore on all of that. Austin, if you want to email me, I'll share it with you. You're about the only UA-camr who could do it justice.
rad away and radX thats all im going to say lol
Where did you ever see a stitch of any rad-x or radaway in Vault 111, Pre- or post-war?
You're kind of missing my point.
+Jeoshua Collins lol you have a good point and every one on that elevator shuld be dead or have sever cancer but the tanks they went into culd of pumped radaway into them
Quintin Castro
That's what they were told, that they were decontamination units, but actually they were Cryo Pods. There was no injection, there is no apparatus for that in the pods. I mean, supposedly there is a decontaminator as you enter (right past the bridge controls, past the turnstyle. It buzzes as you go through), but with the amount of radioactive material swirling in an around the room, over and around the decontamination "arch", I can't see it doing much good at all.
+Jeoshua Collins I just saw the best add ever it was the one for Tostitos
I see only 1 issue with this one. The 25000 tons. The standard American diet is about 2-3 times more than we need to survive. With rationing and supplementation, You can easily cut it down to about 10,000-12,000 tons/25 yrs. or 80,000-96,000 tons for 200 years. Depending on what you store, its just a mid sized warehouse.
+Diasent Domorincon Also, you could probably get that number down even more by storing only foodstuffs with a high calorie/mass ratio.
+Diasent Domorincon I'm wondering if that ton is counting water weight/mass, because as stated, water isn't really an issue if you have the right equipment. It wouldn't be unreasonable to think that the food storage would be dehydrated to maximize storage, and keep things from spoiling. - Unless the line "expiration date: never" was actually somehow true, and processed food really just never expires In the Fallout universe.
Sure the food would probably taste like wet cardboard mush, unless they perfected rehydrating, but it will keep you alive, and future generations wouldn't know what actual fresh food tasted like...
Actually the food paste program in Suffolk County Charter school might have been an experiment in the viability to such foods =/
Sypran
Indeed, dehydrated food would make a lot of sense. That whole food paste thing is one of my favorite side stories in Fallout 4 btw :P
+Sypran only foods i know that has no expiration dates are certain honies and properly stored rice. didnt even think of dehydrated foods.
Pemmican? that stuff lasts virtually forever.
Do you actually send these letters into Bethesda? Just curious...
TheAndkonmegalodon I'm pretty sure the letter is this video. And he's writing the script
TheAndkonmegalodon I'll put stimpacks on it that he does
Matt Newton I’ll bet the number of radaway I have in fnv on it.... well I would if it weren’t so fuckking hard to find
@@sunkiller5682 I bet my life he does
Wendy Speedpaints really that’s all? Well at least you have a life
That new profile pic looks like it took some thought.
me sir?
Thank you it took me some time to find my pic on Google
+Elder Maxon let me join the brotherhood
😂😂
thanks man
Well the one thing that Fallout tech has slowed is good expirations if you notice, Fallout food is all canned, boxed or ready to eat. So a lot of food wouldn’t go off, or would not become harmful to eat, so Vaults could stock up on food that is in such large amounts that it lasts for hundreds of years.
you should talk about pulauski preservation shelters.
You mean the shelters that always have skeletons in them? I think that one answers itself lol
Y'all should do a video about the history of Power Armor, the different models, specifications, and how they work! :D
Or if it's possible to make in real life
+Phantom 177 yes, that too!
Whenever someone types y'all I give them the thickest, most indiciferable southern accent
Dddddddddone it XD
Vaults are not only feasible, we could realistically build one with modern technology. The biggest issue would be cost.
+Bertziethegreat America, and many other countries, already have 'vaults' built. They were a left over from the Cold War. Mount Weather is one in America, and if you are to believe the conspiracy, the international airport in Denver sits on top of a new one. This is not even taking into account the military bases that have vast underground livable areas spread throughout the world.
+Bertziethegreat I've been in one in Germany. They have showers and everything.
There's one under the east wing of the white house
Bertziethegreat Also you need nutrients from the sun there is medications to mimic it but there wouldn't be enough PILLS TO LIVE 200 HUNDRED YEARS!
Lightbulbs can replicate sunlight.
1:13 you use Storyteller say, nice I love it.
No he said "That's" and not "That Is" just kidding
In fallout 3, before you leave, a few people mention that the vault was not always closed. Perhaps they traded with the people in settlements such as Megaton, Rivet City and the like.
When you're invested in the physics for a change but don't speak freedom units so you have to convert numbers every few minutes
8:25 Food like Fancy Lads or Instamash all have preservatives that let them last for 200+ years.
What about mentality? People may go insane...
+alphacino Gaaaary! hahahaha
+Caellum Gary 2-54 were born insane.
GARYYYYYYYYYYY
+Sniper Elite What?
Shhhh We dont talk about that....
I know you published this one month ago, but I'd like to point out a gloss-over in this video.
The melting point of the vault doors Vs the heat of a nuclear bomb. Yes, I admit, the temperature at the moment of ignition is well in excess of the melting point of tungsten, but the X factor is this; how long is it maintained?
An ice cube dropped onto a frying pan doesn't blink out of existence. It takes a period of time for heat to permeate any object. Those vault doors are between two and three feet thick. Even if the surface layers begin to ablate and liquefy (or potentially vaporize entirely) would the duration of the heat be long enough to get through before it begins to dissipate?
You make a very good point, and if the doors are made of steel, or as he said even tungsten, those two metals have the slowest heat transmission rates of any other metal. I would know, I'm an aspiring blacksmith. There's a lot of other variables to consider as well: Every Vault shown to date has been in a cave, or very far underground by way of an elevator. Even if the bomb landed directly on top of the vault's location, the cave would act as a funnel, meaning that very little of that heat would actually reach the vault itself. Rock is a very good insulator, as far as heat is concerned. Not to mention, since the technology and mindset hadn't evolved since the fifties, it would be safe to presume that the entire Vault, ESPECIALLY the door, would be insulated with asbestos. Yes, it causes health problems, but there's a reason it was used, as it was the best heat insulator known to man at the time. Nowadays, I'd suggest Kevlar as a suitable heat-shielding replacement.
I know it's not really related but, the doors aren't 2 or 3 feet of steel, they are 6 feet of pure titanium, making your point even stronger
In Fallout Tactics, Vault 0 (which is/was the central control for the Vault network) is accessed by detonating a nuclear bomb right outside the main vault door. Vault 0 is/was supposed to be the most secure Vault in the network, and located in the Fallout universe where N.O.R.A.D. is located in our world, in a similar facility which was upgraded to be substantially strong.
Also, other than VaultTech's statements on the matter in the Bethesda games, the original games put the strength at being able to withstand indirect blasts withing one mile of the main access for the vault.
The engineering behind actual nuclear bunkers is interesting. The Cheyenne Mountain Facility (former location of NORAD) is actually a giant chamber filled with buildings, which sets on a giant bed of springs. The springs absorb the majority of the shock from the bombs, so the facility is more or less intact.
How did this Order of Protection come about. That is a story i'd like to hear on another day
Also curious.
+Travis Moehring same
me too
Well, I guess that, is a story for another day.
this needs a video for its self
i think that people would eat a lot less in a vault, and people ate less food in the 1960.
Plus Vault 101 has opened a few times.
+Josh Lilly they could throw hundreds of people out of the vault if the food production was to small
Vault dwellers could be slightly cannibalistic. Where do the bodies of those that die go?
+Wilex-Rivi Soylent Green? Anyone?
Technically Alpha radiation is most HARMFUL, but it can't penetrate skin, so isn't as threatening in terms of nuclear weapons.
However, ingestion of an Alpha-emitter would be far more deadly than any possible threat from Gamma.
Future Ruler of Ukraine it gets stopped by paper
@@Dekeullan Because it's dust. But if you inhale it, or ingest it, you're dead as fuck.
since the beggining on the video i was nonstop eating bannanas and when he said radiation in bannanas i was like .__. oh....ok 'nom'
Fault 101 didn't open it's doors 200 years later, it opened them earlier. You could have checked the terminals for that. Also 'dad' and you entered vault 101 when you were just a baby, meaning it did open about 19 years before you get out again. Before that it opened as well for other vaultdwellers who dit reach Megaton for example, must have been near Greyditch at some point (but the ant photo must be a story plot hole as those ants didn't grow up to that size much later when you were almost getting out. Give or take a year) Vault 101 has been opened in a 50/60 year period at least 3 times before you leave it at age 19. So vault 101 was opened at least 50 years before it should have been opened.
Vaults are suppose to have hydro-agricultural farms. Don't really see them in games, but it was set in lore in the Vault Dweller's Survival Guide all the way back in Fallout 1.
Too much of a lore freak not to put that out there.
you can also see one in Fallout NV, Vault 22 and how they were focused on agricultural and plants n shit.
I'm pretty sure the vault under the sharecropper farms in new Vegas was some sort of agricultural-heavy vault. I can't think of the name off the top of my head but I could be wrong. it's been a few years lol
I wasn't aware the vault experiments idea wasn't in the first game.
Didn't vault 101 have an open door for certain people, so they wouldn't need all the food, as traders would also sell some
6:30 the first 24 hours of oxygen should come from internal stored oxygen, after that it would be safe to extract from the outside
These The Science of videos are some of the most intriguing for me on UA-cam and I just want to say keep up the awesome work Shoddy (this is my favorite one)
Do a Dear Bethesda 'bout not upgrading the fricking Game Engine.
Dunno why, but I laughed my arse off at that banana line.
The Learned Soldier becuase its less than a banana
Austin you missed a bit of info about how well structures can be built to survive a direct nuclear blast. the short of it is it is far more easy to do so than you stated. Take the now decommissioned Cheyenne Mountain Complex which built using 60s technology was capable of surviving a 30 megaton nuclear blast within 2 kilometers that's literally within the fireball! As you established earlier atomic weapons in the world of Fallout were much smaller at between 200 and 750 kilotons. The upper end of that scale is only 1/40th of what a real world complex could withstand nearly point blank! putting this into prospective it is fairly easy yo believe that the more well constructed vaults like vault 81 (given most of it is an elevator ride down) would survive a direct blast since the bombs in the Fallout universe are just so damn small compared to the real world! The real challenge is leaving since large amounts of debris would likely block the doorway. Cheyenne mountain solved this by having doors wide enough to drive heavy construction equipment through and parking excavators inside. They also had an on staff crew of engineers and an empty building for spoil when it came time to dig out. The vaults didn't have this as you would see some form of garage near the entrance but you don't. So in conclusion a vault could probably survive an in universe atomic blast but the occupants would be buried for good.
Sincerely,
LORDOceanus
You are absolutely right. A well built bunker can be surprisingly close to a nuclear blast and still survive. Having a lot of earth over you helps enormously plus any ground cover in between the blast and the door to the bunker can usually the brunt of the force so unless the blast is just too close or has a direct line of sight to the bunker door the doorway can usually survive intact.
8:05 what you forgot was tgat vault 101 was open for many years and tgey even traded with settlements and caravans before the overseer decided to close the vault.
I would love to see your take on the train in the movie Snowpiercer. How possible would it be to make a self sufficient train, and what requirements would there be? Population constraints, maintenance, food etc.
Tunnel snakes approve.
Tunnel snakes rule.
What if they had layers of materials that were intended to vaporize instantly, thus creating an insulating layer of gasses. Similar to how tank armor that explodes when hit works?
What about Hydroponics? Wouldn't that solve the food issue?
The way he starts every video with that absolute silence kills my tinnitus
8:03 "Quarter Decade" 25 years is a Quarter Century.
Dear Austin,
You know what I want you to cover? A follow-up to the Vaults but with a focus on Human Relationships? I mean think about 1000 people in an enclosed space...what about difference races and how they are handled? Marriage? Puberty? Factions and groups and splintering. Entertainment, music and culture. I mean the Vault leaders can decide to ignore certain parts of history, religion, etc and raise a group of mindless followers. Everyone could grow up marrying their sister....so and so forth. Think of the implications that would have for the opening of vaults 10,20,30 years later, etc. What about death? Burials or cremations, etc?
Sincerely,
VincentCecelia
The vaults are made by Alabama confirmed.
in fallout 2 there is a place called the glow whic got rekt after getting hit with a nuclear bomb.its roof is gone
+gökçe arslan lol just the roof?
+skecth iness it's underground.
Sheldoom Gaming I have played fallout 2 but never came across this, where is it on the map?
+skecth iness brotherhood tells it
skecth iness like 3 levels of it is gone
4:46
"That is less radiation then a bananna has"
for some rason i laughed for 10mins at that.
8:08
Listening to him talk about foodstuffs not lasting as long as my fallout 4 character eats irradiated salisbury steak that has survived for 200 years while in a radioactive wasteland.
The food weight is way off considering you are looking at nutrition and overall caloric count not it's weight. For example a well balanced dense survival ration could have 5-6k calories and weigh very little. You also have to consider what a human NEEDS to survive and maintain a healthy weight. What most people eat is well over what they actually require.
+PC Invictus which overall, makes the food storage thing even more plausible, making vaults even more realistic. wahoo, we just need to build them now!
A...a story for another day? Austin. Austin, when will we see him again. Tell us!
+AGuyWithAChannel HOLY SHIT your right
Aquaponics
Hey man I enjoy your extremely detailed videos. You really get into them really good
So it’s 2020 I just started watching, seen probably 50 of Austin’s videos and this is the first one where he isn’t yelling. And Man it’s surreal
Oh, well I get to call bullshit on the first point. The point of two percent failure rate on direct hit. I do remember seeing a documentary a while back showing high class shelters designed for government officials in today's time can survive direct blasts of up to 20 megaton bombs. And as we know that' because direct impacts are impossible because the vaults are underground. And we also know from the last video the bombs used in fallout were typically around 200-750 kilotons. That coupled with future technology I think 2% failure rate is a very conservative number.
Depends what's considered a 'direct hit' and you have to remember in the fallout universe there technology is advanced way beyond our own but there development is behind (It's hard for me to describe but back then they couldn't the closest they got to mobile phones or computers were the pipboys) idk I'm no expert
+RainbowPig 007 There's no silicon chips to make cpus and stuff in fallout so their technology, complete with artificial resources like plasteel or something is way ahead, but computers and stuff had to be a lot more useless to fit it all in.
I still don't know how the turrets and robots work though, that's some really good AI for terminal level computers. Robobrains make enough sense, and in fallout 3 you could almost claim that everything was controlled by a bigger control room, but fallout 4 with more turrets set up by bandits in the middle of nowhere and robots you can make yourself are extremely implausible.
+_syntaxera_ - Quinn Barry I smell skyrim Magic at play here
RainbowPig 007 Well actually in the fallout universe the timeline diverges from our own and the advancement were made in nuclear power rather than computational. This is why basically everything is nuclear powered, even the radios which is why much of the tech still works. You might notice the prewar stuff has no cords because they had micronuclear power plants inside them. The had crap computers but they also figured out who to make Ai's work on such crap computers. How I just don't know.
Institute underground base are considered as Vault if you ask me.
For some reasons, it is the most success Vault than others.
Experiment : Vault full of scientist instead ordinary people.
Ever go to Vault 22? That was full of scientists and now there giant plants.
+Mason V wqell yeah those scientist fucked up haha. i remember firstr walking into that corner and being like yo wtf! what is all this green stuff haha.
I'm calling bullshit on the doors. As far as I'm aware, all of the final, sealed vault doors are not directly exposed to the outside, but inset down a tunnel.
Secondly, the time of exposure to that high of heat isn't long enough to slag the entire thing.
Third, are the doors stated to be JUST solid steel? Are there any ceramic plating sandwiched between? The thermal fluctuation between them would insulate against one another, even if the gases, adhesives, the material itself of the layers.
Fourth, you nixed your previous findings of the payloads of the nukes used. Yes, temperatures at ground zero can be that high, but with what weapons? We're not talking about Hydrogen bombs here, but relatively infinitesimal tactical nukes, barely more potent than dirty bombs.
+CheffBryan Also, why does he assume the vault people would keep eating the ridiculous amount they do on average in our time? Efficient nutrition could cut WAY back on that if you had to. Do you know how much stuff people eat is just empty calories?
L0rd Log1c Good point. It's not like they stocked up only on junk food or anything.
Then there are MREs. Being prior military, I can assure you that even two complete MREs these days are more than enough to feed a normal person for an entire day, and they certainly take up less room than the three square meals he's assumed. Survival has a hell of a lot smaller requirement than modern comfort.
I read "The secret of Vsauce" and for a second I was like, damn
Could you imagine if they ever use a new engine and they could show a vault with several hundred people? That would be awesome... if someone else did it.
Wait, are you joking about the order of protection or no?
i feel like after a year of working at the shoddy cast you would start saying ''thats a story for another day'' alot...
Eto Yoshimura
DoesYou NeedMemes69 you speak the true true
What happened to the "fucks"?
+N Lin Tru
+N Lin Well fuck I'm fucked.
1,000 people over 1,000 years?;no stagnation. 4 people over infinity is enough to prevent stagnation
only 100-200 not a 1000 lol even 500 years in warhammers planet krieg is pushing it hard and they have spawning tanks just to clones humans
It can be read on terminals in vault 101 that there were sometimes patrols sent to the surface, and I imagine they had a good way to produce lots of food
So why does nobody want to talk about New Vegas?
Please, somebody help me with this.
+The dark lord cthulhu obsidian not bethesda
jiu jits you Regardless of who made it, it's still very much a part of the series.
The dark lord cthulhu And, I'm not going to lie, I still have more fun playing Fallout:New Vegas than I do Fallout 4.
Bethesda can't admit it was better than fallout 3
daniel117100 thats more along the lines of my original intent. New vegas is undeniably a huge part of the fallout universe, as it ties into the originals more so than fallout 3.
Reading the comments like I'm at school
STOP. USING. BIG. WORDS. This nigga is a simple man, not a egg head.
Then you didn't pay attention in science class (mostly physics and chemistry?)
DRIZZY LMG Neither cause I could care less about those two.
+cody gore Time to learn something.
Howard Ackerman Ugh, but I don't wanna!
+cody gore You didn't pay attention in English class either, fam.
Support ShoddyCast by using G2A. Or support the people who make the games and don't use G2A.
+Aj Koorstra seriously fuck G2A they are cancer.
Good vid. I would like to add two things: 1. the melting point of a blast door might be lower than the temperature of an A bomb explosion, but it's applied very briefly - it could melt it a bit, probably not the whole way through (the USA tested atom bombs on a captured japan battleship - an explosion near buy sunk it, but didn't melt it, as far as I know). 2. You could, with proper technology preserve food almost indefinitely. Honey doesn't spoil. Fruit cake (the dried thing rapped in foil) is as eternal as a fossil. Canned food could last very long. 200 years? Well, it's hard to say. Dehydrated foods (uneatable unless mixed with water) would probably last that much. But you are right of course, growing food is the way to go.
you can see the materials a vault door is made of because the fallout 4 vault 88 that was added by the dlc with the ghoul overseer will give you a old style vault door from the vaults in the first games that you can build in a workbench
Who won the pipboy????
New profile pic could be better...
Personally i think it is too detailed, they need to tone it down a bit
It reminds me of that one Beatles album cover.
+Max McClintock u got a fukn tite prof pic, zoidberg
Is that serious, about the restraining order?
Of course not... it's 1000 feet, not 500.
Don't kill those hidden chickens, Austin. Those chickens are protected...
~violent Skyrim flashbacks~
Dude you have made me learn more about stuff then my last 2 years of school..how?!
It becomes much easier by not feeding vault inhabitants as much as the average Americans eat.
Bait.
Kyle Voeller
Bait?
Gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
I love you guys to bits, but that thumbnail is vanilla as fuck, yo.
+theDefault apparently this one isn't either
+Mark Herrera they should go back to the old one
+theDefault yea I didn't care much for it I'm just here for the videos not the damn picture
Again, the original logo was better
Austin didn't even realize he use the line "but that's a story, for another day"
"That's less radiation than a banana has" I just love that line
"a story for another day."
Does that mean that we'll be seeing the cryo stuffs in the first episode of Fallout 4: Storyteller?
Where the fuck were all the fucking swears dammit?!
2:57 Except that one vault that was a weapons cache. Forgot the number, but basically everyone had guns and then killed each other.
I'd love a video on food preservation technology! I've learned about it before, in social study classes and post harvest agriculture procedure, but there's a lot of history, technology and expansions that we simply didn't go in depth on, and not in a contextualized way, of their relation to each other, or meeting specific hypothetical requirements. It's an interesting and relevant topic, food preservation. Plus I think it's decently trendy, with fermentation crazes, and public affinity for smoked and candied foods, if we're talking chemical preservation as opposed to developments in storage and packaging
For the record, you could find where the bomb hit 87 by finding the most irradiated spot in the area.
I went through this whole video thinking it was a hidden history
Vault 0 sustained a direct nuclear blow via BOS nuke to its front door. It didn't destroy the vault but cracked it open.
the topic you mentioned: feasibility of cryo sleep would be a pretty interesting topic man!
the 25 year vault is doable with a warehouse of more food equal in size to the Tesco Ireland distribution center, as well as a hydroponics bay which could be expanded into the warehouse area as MREs were eaten
It's so bitter sweet watching these, I love your videos but am yet to play this game!!! Well done :)