Capture devices are cool and all, but for my show I find it's much easier to use a UA-cam video downloader to steal footage from channels like yours and Coury's, and then just plagiarize Wikipedia when writing my scripts. Work smarter, not harder.
Great information Joe. I now possess the knowledge needed for my new game channel. The Angry and Irate Happy Sack Jesus Chasers Rigged Punk Guy Historian Life. JJ, keep those vids coming so I don’t feel ANY obligations. Thanks for another excellent episode Game Sack!
Dude Joe the Trashcan Mac has Thunderbolt, does it not? Snag an external PCI-E enclosure, you can use every internal card you want with it! There’s even rackmount computer cases that have the Thunderbolt PCI-E built in. Check it out. Don’t stick urself with the HD60s, you can get a Magewell or other internal 4:4:4 card and have significantly better image stability and performance.
@@zxcvb_bvcxz There are different enclosures you can get, depending on your card needs and Thunderbolt connection options (TB1-3), but I have a Sonnet Echo Express SE I with a Blackmagic DeckLink 4K plugged into a 2012 i7 Mac mini. I can capture full 1080p60 in Prores 422 or uncompressed, but higher quality flavors of Prores (422 HQ, 4444) max out the CPU and then I start to drop frames. But this isn't a Thunderbolt limitation, even on this nearly decade old TB1 Mac mini.
I had briefly considered that. I may do that after I get my next computer, depending on which computer that will be (spoiler, it'll be a Mac... but not certain which one now except that it will be M1). Mac Pro trash can is limited to wimpy Thunderbolt 2 anyway which is old and slow, like myself.
Holy crap that ending. I've never seen Corey try to ham it up like that before. Maybe that's why his neck muscles were all trying to escape, they weren't used to that kind of exertion.
@@Modokun You can see it in his face. Joe seems fed up. I understand him, it takes a lot of energy to maintain this channel for so long. What else can he even talk about?
I honestly don't ever plan on doing any video capture, I also don't care about it in the slightest. But Still I watch and I enjoy. You really do a great job in all your videos, and ill always be happy to see a new video is out.
The Sega CD commercial at the end was great! Also this video was informative as someone who also owns various dongles, up-scalers, and capture devices.
I appreciate Game Sack and MLIG. Both of these channels have gotten me back into retro gaming, which at a point in my life was just normal gaming, and are the types of games I grew up with. I was playing Mario Kart Double Dash on my original silver Gamecube with a GC Loader and SD2SP2 and a KOAICO upscaler I heard about on GS basically all night before watching this, and I've got a Saturn I installed a MODE in, a modded RGB SNES jr I did myself, and Genesis ready to go I'm just waiting on a SCART switcher from Japan so I can connect them to my OSSC and play them that is taking forever to get here but I think the wait is worth it. Keep up the good work guys I respect what you do here. Good stuff.
Love to see some of my favorite youtubers teaming up for videos like this. If DF, MLIG, GameSack, MVG, RMC formed like Voltron for an episode or panel on something, I'm pretty sure YT would implode from the sheer awesomeness of the combo ^-^ Thanks for bringing the quality, amigos.
Sweet, your first brand new episode since I found your channel. Now I can be among the thousands who say they _were_ gonna go to bed but then you went and uploaded (meanwhile, UK gets to watch this over Sunday breakfast and Australia are in the late afternoon, amirite??) Joe, would you consider doing an episode on various console operating systems: their aesthetics, their features, how they handle memory cards, the ambient audio, the nifty screensavers, the backwards compatibility, whether they'll play audio CDs and rip MP3s?
It seems like these types of Game Sack videos are the least watched and that's a shame because I find them the most helpful. Because of this I just bought the Startech pexhdcap60L capture card. Thanks for taking the time to make this even though most people don't seem to appreciate it, I certainly do.
Fun fact about the HD60 - it technically does have an onboard encoder, but the onboard encoder only works if you're using Elgato's native software and the Master Copy mode. It's basically only in there in case you want to do a live stream but also want to record a local clean Master Copy of your game footage without all of the overlays and webcam, etc. When using it for streaming - your computer is still doing the work of encoding the video footage alongside your webcam, overlays, etc. while the onboard encoder chip does the work of encoding the Master Copy clean game footage. Two separate encoding processes in that scenario (#1 the feed going out to your stream with footage, overlays, webcam, etc and #2 the Master Copy of just the game footage being recorded locally). But again that only works if you're using Elgato's software. If you just want to record a clean copy of the footage, you'd have to use Elgato's software and enable Master Copy mode so that the card is actually doing the encoding work. If you use OBS or another third party program to stream with this card or even just to try to record clean footage, it will do so in the traditional way of just translating the incoming HDMI signal into something your computer can recognize and then letting your computer's resources do all of the work of actually encoding the H.264 video file. No way to utilize the functionality of the Master Copy onboard encoder chip without subjecting yourself to Elgato's sketchy software and it's VFR / AV sync issues. Well .... I guess it wasn't a fun fact. It was kind of boring and sad really. Also it's too bad Elgato's software sucks turkeys because it's a really solid card that I got a lot of use out of over the years.
What a tour-de-force! Great subject and information Joe! (and Coury and Try!) I think there might be a need for more Retro-gaming Ads. I think you nailed the Sega CD ad. I WANNA SEE MORE COURY! LOL P.S. Kudos and Props for the Stadler reference. Game Sack truly is a hidden gem. ;)
I admire the fact you never had to do the DVD recorder route. I remember doing a Sonic 3D Blast video in 2012 and had to rely on one and the lag was terrible. Then went to the Hauppauge HDPVR which was fine, but maxed at 720p, didn't accept analog signals well, and maxed at 14mpbs. I then used Elgato HD and HD60 for the most part and it was a great card for the time. I now use the AverMedia Live Gamer Bolt which is essentially the internal 4k card only for external purposes. I am glad my current laptop has a thunderbolt input so I can use it and so far it hasn't let me down. It even accepts higher resolutions AND 1440p just fine. I do hope Elgato supports that stuff soon.
I still record my oldest consoles to a DVD recorder (SNES, Super Game Boy, N64, etc.). It's fine, but way too dark. And interlaced, sadly. Lag was perfectly fine. I regularly won Tecmo Super Bowl games (at the highest difficulty level) when recording to it, through my flatscreen.
After using the El Gato HD60 for a few years but being unsatisfied with how it handles unscaled retro signals, I went with the StarTech USB3HDCAP since it natively supports those older signals too. Video splitters are much more affordable than upscalers, lol.
I know this video is 2+ years old and y’all may hate each other now, but the episodes where you’ve teamed up with MLiG are fantastic. I don’t even give a shit about capture cards or upscalers, I just love kicking back and watching you guys (both channels) talk about tech nonsense. It’s quite soothing to my very vacant soul. Thanks Joe (and Coury & Try for that matter) for doing what you do. It’s become very important to me and I’m barely a gamer.
I understand why you covered a lot of more modern devices, but I’d actually love to hear more about the early (pre-HDMI) era of video capture. I did do capture in that era, and find it rather interesting.
Fools! Now I know all your secrets and will start my own channel “My Life in a Gaming Sack” and then I will be the one who will uhhh...wow editing this into something coherent is a lot of work. Never mind, knowing capture was a third of the battle, the rest is a ton of effort.
The Avermedia Live Gamer Portable 2 was the first capture device I bought as well, and was lured in by the ability to record gameplay directly without a PC connection. I still use it to this day for streaming and to capture game footage.
Oh man the Sony DCMC-DA1 was my first capture device as well for VHS and S-VHS captures. I still have and use it for that. For games I use the Elgato HD60 Pro internal card. I use mostly Analogue/RetroUSB clone consoles for capture with it for my retro games but have also used it with my Retrotink2x with my Saturn and PC Engine. For my purposes it works wonderfully. Always awesome to see you collab with the MLiG guys and vice versa. Love them and love you too, Joe! Thanks for making my weekend every other Saturday!
@@GameSack I'm using an HD60S+ now and, it's kind of good? All resolutions of the OSSC works, incluiding 960p and 1200p and they are properly what the OSSC is sending, not scaled, even 240p passtrough, PSP mode and 480i line 3x laced works too. Since it's UVC it should work on Mac and even Linux too. Only problems is when using something like OBS (which you'll have to as elgato apps will tell not "supported" if it's not standard with the exception of 240p) if the resolution switches, you have to deactivate and activate the device on OBS or other app with the button here to get the signal after the resolution switch, not sure if it's possible to fix that as switching resolutions works fine on elgato app and it kind of works on Discord too, not annoying in much cases unless is a game with 480i menus and 240p gameplay, but something like the TINK5x should fix this, maybe setting the scaling of both to 480p on the OSSC will work? But not sure since I haven't tested it. And with SNES (possibly NES too) it kind of works and doesn't, Generic 4:3 works fine with all except 4x as a stutter image will show a bit on 4x, but all others work fine; with optimal timings instead the jitter signal will be a problem except for Line 5x that works fine for some reason? As far as I know if you have the dejitter mod this won't happen.
Joe would like you to think this is Game Sack episode featuring My Life in Gaming, but it's actually My Life in Gaming episode featuring Joe. And Mega CD war has begun.
I really love the portable gamer 2. It's been a great quality of life capture card for me. Gets me out of the office cave and I don't have to worry about losing a chance to capture footage.
This was a really informative and interesting episode to watch. It's awesome to see what devices you used when you started the channel 10 years ago and seeing the evolution in capture cards. I use an Elgato HD60 for capturing my GameCube content for the channel, and I also noticed audio drift when recording extended gameplay of 25-30+ minutes. I learned that if you shut off the preview feature, the Elgato has no issue with audio drifting, but I may have to try that line of code they provided you for the 4K60S+. Awesome video as always, Joe!
One of the few (very few) good things about living in Illinois is the easy access to legal weed products. The problem is that I completely forgot there would be a new Game Sack. Good thing I'm awake now! Yay!
I got the HD60 Pro and was not satisfied with my purchase. I watched so many reviews of the device over a few months and not one motioned the chroma sub sampling it does on both the preview and pass-through.
I am learning so much from this video...not to say I haven't learned form your channel already but I stream multiple consoles and I just want clean video and I'm getting there. Game Sack FTW!!
I bought the Elgato 4K60S+ some time last year. I like the convenience of direct capture and for the most part it works well enough, but I do have some issues with it. Apart from some of the issues you mentioned like audio drift & lack of tactile buttons I also had issues with low audio bitrate (≈170kbps), quiet audio, bad black levels/contrast (though I'm usually able to fix this with editing software), and sometimes the colors on display just being plain wrong (this happened to me when playing In the Hunt on the Sega Saturn, where everything in first level instead had a yellow-orangeish color to it). I noticed you mentioned uncompressed audio though. Where did you find that option? I don't know if it's due to having an obsolete firmware, but I don't think I ever saw an option for that. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks.
Hey, did you ever solve this? I think the firmware provided to Joe has extra features, as I cannot get 1440p capture via USB. I am hopeful that Elgato will update the 4K60 S+ firmware with extra features but they've gone quite and deleted posts on Reddit. Based on Joe's bricking experience, it doesn't give me the greatest confidence.
@@PLEYOR Nope. I sent in a request for a firmware update months ago and they told me they'd take my requested features into account, but since then I've heard very little from them and every time I message them they vaguely tell me that it's being worked on but go silent until I ask any further questions. It's been an extremely frustrating experience, especially since it means that my 4K60S+ is just an expensive paperweight at this point.
My first capture device was actually a TV tuner USB stick that in addition to RF also had a dongle that let you record line level stereo and composite or S-Video. After that I got a component capture box, and now a hybrid component/HDMI device that can capture to a computer or SD card. My needs are pretty modest, so I don’t have anything that captures above 720p60/1080p30.
I use the Hauppauge HD-PVR Rocket Portable Game Recorder for my humble little channel….super convenient and cheap but honestly, my channel is just a nice little hobby for me. Your production values are outstanding…..huge fan 👍
I was starting to write a comment about the DVMC-DA1 since it was my first, but when you started talking about the Intensity Pro, I nearly lost my mind LOL Those were the exact devices I got back to back. I never got the external “Shuttle” one though. The next one after that was the Elgato Game Capture HD, but I could’ve sworn we would’ve followed the same upgrade path until you got to the shuttle. 😂
My setup is one I never hear anyone talk about - an Epiphan DVI2USB 3.0. Has DVI and VGA input, 24-bit RGB color capture, and integrates well with most recording software out there. Mine is connected to a Micomsoft XRGB-3 linedoubler over VGA.
I ended up using an Elgato Cam Link to capture old consoles through the OSSC. From what I understand its basically an Elgato HD-S but because its designed to be used with cameras it accepts a far wider range of signals including the oddball ones you'd want from the OSSC. Combined with an HDMI splitter it was perfect for me.
That was a great video. 👍 While I have no need to get any of these devices just yet, it is great to be all technical and get an insight into how you manage to capture your game footage. My youngest son is very keen to start a channel here on UA-cam, so I may need to invest in one or two in the future. Happily, the amount of technical knowledge and equipment needed hasn't put the boy off at all, and I put that down to the way you and the MLIG fellas talk about these things. A complicated subject, but never made over complicated at all. Great stuff and thanks for the insight. 👍 ... Still giggling at the ending skit too. I'm a fan of your humour too. 😂
Great information Joe. I now possess the knowledge to create my new retro game channel. The Angry and Irate Happy Sack Jesus Chasers Rigged Punk Guy Historian Life. JJ, keep the episodes flowing so I don’t feel ANY obligations. Thanks for another great episode Game Sack!
I started capturing using a Blackmagic Intensity Pro on my 2009 Mac Pro, and that card was amazing, other than maxing out at 1080i60. I even had a three drive RAID 0 setup so I could capture uncompressed at the time. But yeah, you're definitely not limited to external cards. You can get an external PCIe to Thunderbolt enclosure, and use any of the modern Blackmagic cards (or Magewell, etc.).
Magewell is serious business. I built a few computers in 2017 for the broadcasting classes at the school district I work at. They needed 4 cameras to be recorded. I got the Pro Capture Quad HDMI (the 4K one wasn't out yet). It was $900, but man, it works well, hasn't given a hitch. We feed 3 cameras and a Chromebook into it.
This is a great episode. I was wondering how you guys capture all of your footage. Too bad I get lost in a the technical jargon. I will definitely keep episodes like this in my favorites for whenever I want to start capturing video.
Capture devices are cool and all, but for my show I find it's much easier to use a UA-cam video downloader to steal footage from channels like yours and Coury's, and then just plagiarize Wikipedia when writing my scripts. Work smarter, not harder.
A true Renaissance man.
Me too
Profit.
That's smart
Bruh. Not sure why these idiots spend days making this stuff.
That ending skit was amazing. Good job to Coury and Joe.
I had to double take because I rarely seen Coury so...
Animated.
@@BladeBlur Yup. Nice to see the Human Coury spilling out of his filming mask :D
didn't avgn use that in his sega cd episode?
@@BladeBlur It truly is a night-and-day difference.
Great information Joe. I now possess the knowledge needed for my new game channel. The Angry and Irate Happy Sack Jesus Chasers Rigged Punk Guy Historian Life. JJ, keep those vids coming so I don’t feel ANY obligations. Thanks for another excellent episode Game Sack!
No capture device can perfectly capture the majesty of Pebble Beach.
So honored to share... I mean borrow, the same first name from you.
Think you can get it inside mine?
@@ChadDidNothingWrong I know I can.
Get out of here Craig!!
@@DiGiTyDarKMaN I cannot escape the confines of your mind. You must first let me out.
00:47 Sony DVMC-DA1
02:50 BlackMagic Design Intensity Pro
04:35 BlackMagic Intensity Shuttle for Thunderbolt
05:34 StarTech PEXHDCAP
07:48 StarTech PEXHDCAP60L
09:48 StarTech USB3HDCAP
10:44 Elgato HD60
13:45 AVerMedia Live Gamer 4K
18:21 AVerMedia Live Gamer Portable 2
20:59 Cloner Alliance Box Pro
22:53 Elgato 4K60S+
27:14 Magewell Pro Capture HDMI 4K Plus
32:15 Magewell USB Capture HDMI Gen2
34:00 Reference Framerates
Thanks. I meant to do this before, but forgot. I've added it to the video.
That ending made this video a classic.
Well I wanna see more! Haha.
Way more fun with a second person
"I wonder if Tom Clancy owns an Elgato HD60."
You're the best, Joe.
Coury's neck muscles still flexing after the making of this video
I work 3rd shift on the east coast and my lunch is right when Gamesack drops their videos most of the time. It's perfect.
I have spent the last 5 minuets laughing at that end skit.
Just amazing.
I’d like to see you do a video about the minutiae of being a movie theater projectionist.
Yeah, wouldn’t it be cool if he was able to play Mario Kart 64 on that? Crazy!
@@0000-i1z Sure would but the theater he worked at is long gone :(
I'm not a projectionist, YOU ARE!!!
@@0000-i1z projectors he used would've been film so that would be impossible
@@jyoder1 that is way funnier then it's getting credit for 😂
definitely getting a Sega CD after that ad!
Dude Joe the Trashcan Mac has Thunderbolt, does it not? Snag an external PCI-E enclosure, you can use every internal card you want with it! There’s even rackmount computer cases that have the Thunderbolt PCI-E built in. Check it out. Don’t stick urself with the HD60s, you can get a Magewell or other internal 4:4:4 card and have significantly better image stability and performance.
How many lanes are available via that Thunderbolt though?
@@zxcvb_bvcxz There are different enclosures you can get, depending on your card needs and Thunderbolt connection options (TB1-3), but I have a Sonnet Echo Express SE I with a Blackmagic DeckLink 4K plugged into a 2012 i7 Mac mini. I can capture full 1080p60 in Prores 422 or uncompressed, but higher quality flavors of Prores (422 HQ, 4444) max out the CPU and then I start to drop frames. But this isn't a Thunderbolt limitation, even on this nearly decade old TB1 Mac mini.
why do that when can instead spend $5000 on a new mac pro?????
Posting for visibility. This is exactly what TB is made for - internal bandwidth made available to external devices.
I had briefly considered that. I may do that after I get my next computer, depending on which computer that will be (spoiler, it'll be a Mac... but not certain which one now except that it will be M1). Mac Pro trash can is limited to wimpy Thunderbolt 2 anyway which is old and slow, like myself.
Holy crap that ending. I've never seen Corey try to ham it up like that before. Maybe that's why his neck muscles were all trying to escape, they weren't used to that kind of exertion.
Tom Clancy has a HD 60 in heaven for sure and he is sniping all of us in these games
Alternative title for me: Joe and Corey Speak Greek for 36 minutes and 27 seconds.
Yep. Most of this is going completely over my head. Like the video anyway.
I can't put my finger on it, but Dave looks a little different somehow.
His rosacea is more inflamed. It comes from eating garbage trash food.
the channel's dying
@@Iliek no some people only get it. Ask woman. They get it more often than man.
@@Modokun You can see it in his face. Joe seems fed up. I understand him, it takes a lot of energy to maintain this channel for so long. What else can he even talk about?
@@Modokun you'll see, as time goes on
Well that was the best ending ever! SEGA!!!!!!!!!!
My god, that end skit was perfection.
I don’t care about this, watching anyway.
I honestly don't ever plan on doing any video capture, I also don't care about it in the slightest. But Still I watch and I enjoy. You really do a great job in all your videos, and ill always be happy to see a new video is out.
It makes me laugh how much they care about the smallest things... I can't tell the difference but they spend so much money fixing the smallest issues
I love when i see my life in gaming collaborations 💕
5:30 omg i couldnt stop laughing at that burn. so mean
Well this was a great lesson in Greek, because this all sounds Greek to me.
The Sega CD commercial at the end was great! Also this video was informative as someone who also owns various dongles, up-scalers, and capture devices.
When two of my favourite channels collide! Awesome stuff guys!
I appreciate Game Sack and MLIG. Both of these channels have gotten me back into retro gaming, which at a point in my life was just normal gaming, and are the types of games I grew up with. I was playing Mario Kart Double Dash on my original silver Gamecube with a GC Loader and SD2SP2 and a KOAICO upscaler I heard about on GS basically all night before watching this, and I've got a Saturn I installed a MODE in, a modded RGB SNES jr I did myself, and Genesis ready to go I'm just waiting on a SCART switcher from Japan so I can connect them to my OSSC and play them that is taking forever to get here but I think the wait is worth it. Keep up the good work guys I respect what you do here. Good stuff.
Bahaha, I live for the skits. Great one with Coury there.
Love to see some of my favorite youtubers teaming up for videos like this. If DF, MLIG, GameSack, MVG, RMC formed like Voltron for an episode or panel on something, I'm pretty sure YT would implode from the sheer awesomeness of the combo ^-^
Thanks for bringing the quality, amigos.
Sweet, your first brand new episode since I found your channel. Now I can be among the thousands who say they _were_ gonna go to bed but then you went and uploaded (meanwhile, UK gets to watch this over Sunday breakfast and Australia are in the late afternoon, amirite??)
Joe, would you consider doing an episode on various console operating systems: their aesthetics, their features, how they handle memory cards, the ambient audio, the nifty screensavers, the backwards compatibility, whether they'll play audio CDs and rip MP3s?
thank you game sack for making videos for us all still
Dude that Craig Statler line from pebble Beach golf on the Saturn made my day. "Think you can get it inside mine". To funny keep up the good work.
It seems like these types of Game Sack videos are the least watched and that's a shame because I find them the most helpful. Because of this I just bought the Startech pexhdcap60L capture card. Thanks for taking the time to make this even though most people don't seem to appreciate it, I certainly do.
That skit tho. Loved the episode and info provided. Always happy to see your content!
So glad to see the Magewell love. I have the HDMI Capture Gen 1, have used it for over 5.5 years, and I love it. Solid piece of kit.
Fun fact about the HD60 - it technically does have an onboard encoder, but the onboard encoder only works if you're using Elgato's native software and the Master Copy mode. It's basically only in there in case you want to do a live stream but also want to record a local clean Master Copy of your game footage without all of the overlays and webcam, etc. When using it for streaming - your computer is still doing the work of encoding the video footage alongside your webcam, overlays, etc. while the onboard encoder chip does the work of encoding the Master Copy clean game footage. Two separate encoding processes in that scenario (#1 the feed going out to your stream with footage, overlays, webcam, etc and #2 the Master Copy of just the game footage being recorded locally). But again that only works if you're using Elgato's software. If you just want to record a clean copy of the footage, you'd have to use Elgato's software and enable Master Copy mode so that the card is actually doing the encoding work.
If you use OBS or another third party program to stream with this card or even just to try to record clean footage, it will do so in the traditional way of just translating the incoming HDMI signal into something your computer can recognize and then letting your computer's resources do all of the work of actually encoding the H.264 video file. No way to utilize the functionality of the Master Copy onboard encoder chip without subjecting yourself to Elgato's sketchy software and it's VFR / AV sync issues.
Well .... I guess it wasn't a fun fact. It was kind of boring and sad really. Also it's too bad Elgato's software sucks turkeys because it's a really solid card that I got a lot of use out of over the years.
What a tour-de-force! Great subject and information Joe! (and Coury and Try!) I think there might be a need for more Retro-gaming Ads. I think you nailed the Sega CD ad. I WANNA SEE MORE COURY! LOL P.S. Kudos and Props for the Stadler reference. Game Sack truly is a hidden gem. ;)
Happy ID4 everyone! Let's enjoy this episode of GameSack!
happy idtech 4 day
Love you Joe! Please never never stop uploading videos! I enjoy watching them every Sunday!
Love the Mac trash can bit , noticed you’re using the track impression from Evil Zone , love this and the video !
Love how you guys are the best at recording retro and new gameplay. Keep up the good work💯
Oh man, this made my day!!!! Excellent work @Game Sack and "MLIG." This was a great collaboration.
I admire the fact you never had to do the DVD recorder route. I remember doing a Sonic 3D Blast video in 2012 and had to rely on one and the lag was terrible. Then went to the Hauppauge HDPVR which was fine, but maxed at 720p, didn't accept analog signals well, and maxed at 14mpbs. I then used Elgato HD and HD60 for the most part and it was a great card for the time.
I now use the AverMedia Live Gamer Bolt which is essentially the internal 4k card only for external purposes. I am glad my current laptop has a thunderbolt input so I can use it and so far it hasn't let me down. It even accepts higher resolutions AND 1440p just fine. I do hope Elgato supports that stuff soon.
I still record my oldest consoles to a DVD recorder (SNES, Super Game Boy, N64, etc.). It's fine, but way too dark. And interlaced, sadly. Lag was perfectly fine. I regularly won Tecmo Super Bowl games (at the highest difficulty level) when recording to it, through my flatscreen.
Can't wait for Norm to do a Gaming Historian episode on the history of game sack.
No, a history of literal game sacks. The bags you get at game stores like Toys R Us, Funcoland, EB, etc.
He'd better!
The skits at the end never disappoint! Thanks guys! Cool AVGN reference. 😁
After using the El Gato HD60 for a few years but being unsatisfied with how it handles unscaled retro signals, I went with the StarTech USB3HDCAP since it natively supports those older signals too. Video splitters are much more affordable than upscalers, lol.
How much did you paid ? Thanks
@@luisfernando55 About $180 on Amazon. It's still going for the same price, too.
That counter-scrolling on the screen at 2:11 is a FLEX!
I know this video is 2+ years old and y’all may hate each other now, but the episodes where you’ve teamed up with MLiG are fantastic. I don’t even give a shit about capture cards or upscalers, I just love kicking back and watching you guys (both channels) talk about tech nonsense. It’s quite soothing to my very vacant soul. Thanks Joe (and Coury & Try for that matter) for doing what you do. It’s become very important to me and I’m barely a gamer.
One of the best ending skits EVER! Aggro Coury is awesome!
Well if it isn't My Life In Game Sack! Two great tastes that taste great together! :D
I understand why you covered a lot of more modern devices, but I’d actually love to hear more about the early (pre-HDMI) era of video capture. I did do capture in that era, and find it rather interesting.
Fools! Now I know all your secrets and will start my own channel “My Life in a Gaming Sack” and then I will be the one who will uhhh...wow editing this into something coherent is a lot of work. Never mind, knowing capture was a third of the battle, the rest is a ton of effort.
The Avermedia Live Gamer Portable 2 was the first capture device I bought as well, and was lured in by the ability to record gameplay directly without a PC connection. I still use it to this day for streaming and to capture game footage.
Oh man the Sony DCMC-DA1 was my first capture device as well for VHS and S-VHS captures. I still have and use it for that. For games I use the Elgato HD60 Pro internal card. I use mostly Analogue/RetroUSB clone consoles for capture with it for my retro games but have also used it with my Retrotink2x with my Saturn and PC Engine. For my purposes it works wonderfully.
Always awesome to see you collab with the MLiG guys and vice versa. Love them and love you too, Joe! Thanks for making my weekend every other Saturday!
In case anyone is curious, the Elgato HD60s+ will work with OBS on a Mac without plugins. It still doesn’t play well with the OSSC though.
I've had people tell me the opposite. I wonder if there was some sort of hardware revision in the S+ that lets some of them see 960p.
@@GameSack Possibly although I've never seen an elgato accept 960p, especially if it's from the OSSC.
@@GameSack I'm using an HD60S+ now and, it's kind of good?
All resolutions of the OSSC works, incluiding 960p and 1200p and they are properly what the OSSC is sending, not scaled, even 240p passtrough, PSP mode and 480i line 3x laced works too. Since it's UVC it should work on Mac and even Linux too.
Only problems is when using something like OBS (which you'll have to as elgato apps will tell not "supported" if it's not standard with the exception of 240p) if the resolution switches, you have to deactivate and activate the device on OBS or other app with the button here to get the signal after the resolution switch, not sure if it's possible to fix that as switching resolutions works fine on elgato app and it kind of works on Discord too, not annoying in much cases unless is a game with 480i menus and 240p gameplay, but something like the TINK5x should fix this, maybe setting the scaling of both to 480p on the OSSC will work? But not sure since I haven't tested it.
And with SNES (possibly NES too) it kind of works and doesn't, Generic 4:3 works fine with all except 4x as a stutter image will show a bit on 4x, but all others work fine; with optimal timings instead the jitter signal will be a problem except for Line 5x that works fine for some reason? As far as I know if you have the dejitter mod this won't happen.
Liked for the simple use of rage racers menu music. That is my favourite in the series and always overshadowed by r4
Rage Racer never gets the love it deserves
Joe would like you to think this is Game Sack episode featuring My Life in Gaming, but it's actually My Life in Gaming episode featuring Joe.
And Mega CD war has begun.
I use that external AverMedia device. Once you have it configured properly, it's a pretty solid bit of kit (at least for modern consoles) 👍
35:53 Definitely the best post-credit sequence Game Sack has ever made.
Great work. The post credit skit was fantastic as well!
13:43, that Craig Stadler impression was spot on, eyebrows and everything.
And that skit brought back many memories...love the Sega CD.
Big fan of this collaboration.
That skit was gold guys, comedy gold. Where couries lines lifted directly from an old sega cd commercial?
That's it, I have to watch it again.
I think that may just be your best ending skit 😂
It’s my favorite game, retro osc hdm capture! I like the way it tinks and tonks!
I really love the portable gamer 2. It's been a great quality of life capture card for me. Gets me out of the office cave and I don't have to worry about losing a chance to capture footage.
The end skit is surreal. I've never heard Coury talk that way.
This was a really informative and interesting episode to watch. It's awesome to see what devices you used when you started the channel 10 years ago and seeing the evolution in capture cards. I use an Elgato HD60 for capturing my GameCube content for the channel, and I also noticed audio drift when recording extended gameplay of 25-30+ minutes. I learned that if you shut off the preview feature, the Elgato has no issue with audio drifting, but I may have to try that line of code they provided you for the 4K60S+. Awesome video as always, Joe!
Warning:
The ending of this video contains MAXIMUM NECK!
One of the few (very few) good things about living in Illinois is the easy access to legal weed products.
The problem is that I completely forgot there would be a new Game Sack.
Good thing I'm awake now! Yay!
I got the HD60 Pro and was not satisfied with my purchase. I watched so many reviews of the device over a few months and not one motioned the chroma sub sampling it does on both the preview and pass-through.
I have to say, I really feel it's time for another Sega CD filter Game Sack video.
I am learning so much from this video...not to say I haven't learned form your channel already but I stream multiple consoles and I just want clean video and I'm getting there. Game Sack FTW!!
I bought the Elgato 4K60S+ some time last year. I like the convenience of direct capture and for the most part it works well enough, but I do have some issues with it.
Apart from some of the issues you mentioned like audio drift & lack of tactile buttons I also had issues with low audio bitrate (≈170kbps), quiet audio, bad black levels/contrast (though I'm usually able to fix this with editing software), and sometimes the colors on display just being plain wrong (this happened to me when playing In the Hunt on the Sega Saturn, where everything in first level instead had a yellow-orangeish color to it).
I noticed you mentioned uncompressed audio though. Where did you find that option? I don't know if it's due to having an obsolete firmware, but I don't think I ever saw an option for that. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks.
Hey, did you ever solve this? I think the firmware provided to Joe has extra features, as I cannot get 1440p capture via USB. I am hopeful that Elgato will update the 4K60 S+ firmware with extra features but they've gone quite and deleted posts on Reddit. Based on Joe's bricking experience, it doesn't give me the greatest confidence.
@@PLEYOR Nope. I sent in a request for a firmware update months ago and they told me they'd take my requested features into account, but since then I've heard very little from them and every time I message them they vaguely tell me that it's being worked on but go silent until I ask any further questions. It's been an extremely frustrating experience, especially since it means that my 4K60S+ is just an expensive paperweight at this point.
My first capture device was actually a TV tuner USB stick that in addition to RF also had a dongle that let you record line level stereo and composite or S-Video. After that I got a component capture box, and now a hybrid component/HDMI device that can capture to a computer or SD card. My needs are pretty modest, so I don’t have anything that captures above 720p60/1080p30.
I've been wanting to here from both of you what you used and your thoughts. Great video!
I've used the Elgato HD60S since we started Basement Brothers. My brother uses an external device. Can't imagine investing in another device for now.
Another fine video from Game Sack
I use the Hauppauge HD-PVR Rocket Portable Game Recorder for my humble little channel….super convenient and cheap but honestly, my channel is just a nice little hobby for me. Your production values are outstanding…..huge fan 👍
Dammit, and I was just about to go to sleep.
Gotta love Coury channelling Macho Man Randy Savage with those neck muscles.
Damn good video. I really need to get a Retrotink 5x.
Damn this will be better than Netflix quality !
I see a new Game Sack, I watch it. Even if it's about something I'm not too interested in. A cool watch though! Very informative.
I remember buying a hauge pauge back in 2016 , haven't really done anything with it since that time.
I was starting to write a comment about the DVMC-DA1 since it was my first, but when you started talking about the Intensity Pro, I nearly lost my mind LOL Those were the exact devices I got back to back. I never got the external “Shuttle” one though.
The next one after that was the Elgato Game Capture HD, but I could’ve sworn we would’ve followed the same upgrade path until you got to the shuttle. 😂
Production levels are off the charts. Loving game sack in general..missing home boy..but it's all good.
Early 2011? Well, congratulations on 10 years of great videos! Time flies :-)
The crossover we didn't deserve but we more than appreciate it.
This video helped me so much. I know exactly what I need now. Thanks a lot you guys!
My setup is one I never hear anyone talk about - an Epiphan DVI2USB 3.0. Has DVI and VGA input, 24-bit RGB color capture, and integrates well with most recording software out there. Mine is connected to a Micomsoft XRGB-3 linedoubler over VGA.
Yep I use the little blue box Voultar recommended with no issues.
I ended up using an Elgato Cam Link to capture old consoles through the OSSC. From what I understand its basically an Elgato HD-S but because its designed to be used with cameras it accepts a far wider range of signals including the oddball ones you'd want from the OSSC. Combined with an HDMI splitter it was perfect for me.
Around 34:00, where do those reference framerates come from? Are these accurate, and is there some place I can find them for more consoles?
That was a great video. 👍
While I have no need to get any of these devices just yet, it is great to be all technical and get an insight into how you manage to capture your game footage.
My youngest son is very keen to start a channel here on UA-cam, so I may need to invest in one or two in the future. Happily, the amount of technical knowledge and equipment needed hasn't put the boy off at all, and I put that down to the way you and the MLIG fellas talk about these things. A complicated subject, but never made over complicated at all. Great stuff and thanks for the insight. 👍
... Still giggling at the ending skit too. I'm a fan of your humour too. 😂
As an owner of the original PEXHDCAP, do NOT upgrade past driver 140, since it does not support analog RGB input. Which is sad.
Great information Joe. I now possess the knowledge to create my new retro game channel. The Angry and Irate Happy Sack Jesus Chasers Rigged Punk Guy Historian Life. JJ, keep the episodes flowing so I don’t feel ANY obligations. Thanks for another great episode Game Sack!
I started capturing using a Blackmagic Intensity Pro on my 2009 Mac Pro, and that card was amazing, other than maxing out at 1080i60. I even had a three drive RAID 0 setup so I could capture uncompressed at the time.
But yeah, you're definitely not limited to external cards. You can get an external PCIe to Thunderbolt enclosure, and use any of the modern Blackmagic cards (or Magewell, etc.).
Magewell is serious business. I built a few computers in 2017 for the broadcasting classes at the school district I work at. They needed 4 cameras to be recorded. I got the Pro Capture Quad HDMI (the 4K one wasn't out yet). It was $900, but man, it works well, hasn't given a hitch. We feed 3 cameras and a Chromebook into it.
This is a great episode. I was wondering how you guys capture all of your footage. Too bad I get lost in a the technical jargon. I will definitely keep episodes like this in my favorites for whenever I want to start capturing video.