Totally agree with the "details" comment -- that has struck me as well. "Flood lays down sediment" is good, but then you get into types of sediment and lack of signs of flood deposits. "Water sorts items" is good, but then you look at the details of how the fossils are actually sorted (size, environment, complexity, etc.)."Aquatic animals don't need an ark", but then you see details of salt vs. fresh water survival. I really appreciate Dr. Duffs many videos on some of these details -- number of belemnite rostrums, insect life-cycle damage in fossilized bones, etc.
Exactly this. Attended a CMI talk recently and there was simply no way for the bulk of the audience to critically evaluate the geological claims being made. Limestones within the Grand Canyon stratigraphic sequence completely eliminates the rapid sedimentation of the entire package.
Thanks for this! Looking forward to your "10 Most Important Moments of the Film" video. I am actually a pre-trib pre-mil dispensationalist, but I also think the earth is ancient and the flood was a real, but regional, event. So I have a foot in both camps, which can be a bit tricky. What frustrates me is that connecting pre-mil eschatology with YEC denigrates our eschatology. Pre-mil is a view worth taking seriously, even if one doesn't land there, but if it gets thrown in with pet dinosaurs... argh!
Speaking on the end times, Peter did say they'll deny the flood and it's also mentioned there's going to be a falling away. Not saying we are 100% there but it does feel like it's getting close.
Thanks for the comment. I've been reading a lot of works from the fundamentalist controversy in the 1910 and 1920s. The language they use to describe society and the world is no different than those today. They also thought they were need the end. It would be hard to say the world is worse now than during WWI. Just different forms of sin. In fact globally there are more Christians now than then so its not all bad. I would also note the film says the world denied the flood since the middle 1850s and with YEC there is probably more people that believe a world wide flood than there has been in a quite a while so there is that too.
@@DrJoelDuffI don't put an age on the earth or the end times. But as far the world getting better, I did watch your video on that about how everyone feels their generation is worse than the previous and the data doesn't support that. But through a biblical view it's hard not to see man walking to his eventual destruction, at least progressively. Two world wars now, and man now having the ability to annihilate the planet and those capabilities only increasing. At some point the dam has to break. Thanks for the reply, just my two cents.
@@DrJoelDuff Yeah, I did watch your video about how people believe their generation is worse than the previous generation and how the data doesn't back that up. That's true of a lot of things, like people believing cars are better built in the 1960's than they are today, something which is clearly false. They didn't have power windows, for example. Engines in general last longer today. But the WWI and WWII examples seem to fail. It's like a forest for the trees thing. I could understand from their perspective how they believed the world was going to end. It's a world war, after all. But then came the Manhattan project and the Cold War, the US has enough nukes to destroy the planet twice over and so does Russia. Many rising nuclear powers, too. Not that I put a date on it, I don't put a date on the flood or the earth as well. But it's hard not to see man walking towards his inevitable destruction. I really don't see how two World Wars lessons that reality. But thanks for the reply.
A note about “documentary” type productions - do not accept a single word as true unless you have heard the counter arguments from the “experts”, and have considered their evidence.
I'm very interested in hearing more about this, and more of your thoughts. Helps me understand what most of the people I'm connected to (and love a lot) are hearing.
Tell me, what is good about indoctrination of children, with a fantasyland & its vocabulary? Can you really expect everyone to pretend your God made Mormons so Christians would feel like Jews? Get my email address, I am here to teach the illiterate.
In the USA access to science has a (high) price. Universities don't work for the development of country and businesses but are profit-based business in and of themselves. This naturally leads to concentration of knowledge among the richest part of the population. Actually the state of science, limited to those who have access, is rather high, but in the competition among states, the USA is falling behind. Climbers are China, Russia and India, among others. The so-called top-100 of universities is populated by mostly American and British universities. Obviously something is wrong with how this top-100 is set up.
Sorry to say this, but as someone from.another part of the world, a large part of Earth regards your nation, despite its millions of clever, innovative and highly educated people as barbaric and socially backward. And a blight on the rest of the world. Your polity, your social fabric and institutions have been goin down the toilet the last 50 years. Your leaders have all been a disgrace since Jimmy Carter.
Maybe you mean dapper dinosaur? I’m not aware of Erika doing a dance biddle special. Maybe off hand comments she may have but dapper has done a specific series in Dan biddle.
How about a series on the evidence for the beginning of the universe, the beginning of life, and evolution. I think there will be a lot of interesting questions and variations among secular scientists.
Been doing research on this for the past month or so, for a talk to be given later. In general if you strip everything down; AIG is looking at the Bible and Genesis, using eisegesis instead of exegesis.
The movie didn't play in town so I didn't see it (and probably wouldn't have anyway, TBO), but there's a companion guide for the movie so I'm going to be reading it to see what Biddle has to say.
Isn’t Noah as someone who preaches for the pre-flood world more something that comes from the Quran instead of Genesis? I’m not sure if Noah even speaks during Flood-narrative
Maybe they're looking at 2 Pet 2:5 where Noah is called a preacher of righteousness? Doesn't specifically say he preached before the flood, but it's not anti-biblical to think that he spent some time during the construction of the ark to warn the people around him.
It is interesting to note that Genesis never says how long the primordial earth and the rest of the universe existed prior to God prepping the earth for life and actually creating it here. Genesis is clear the earth was here, without form and void, prior to creation. It also implies the stars were already here as well. Gen 1:16 says God made two great lights, obviously the sun to "rule the day" and the lesser to "rule the night", KJV says, he made the stars also but "he made" was added by the King James interpreters and a more accurate rendition is "the lesser light to rule the night with the stars." As a creationist I believe trying to ingnore the obvious great age of the universe makes us look a bit silly and that Genesis is simply says God came here, formed and molded an existing mass of chaos and put life here 6000 years ago.
First and foremost, anybody is allowed to believe. The problem occurs when an individual, quietly or out loud says that their belief is the only answer. I believe in the possibility of The Flood, I just think the Bible, especially when you add things to the text by "eisegesis", or going way beyond the nuance of the text. That your argument is not a strong one.
God tells us twice in Exodus Chap 20 and Chap 31 He created all things in the six days of the creation week. That means Earth created on Day 1. Nothing existed before "the beginning". There has to be a beginning to all things except God who is uncreated. God started the creation on Day 1 and you're trying to say "well, there's really another Day 1 far, far, into the past before the Day 1 in Genesis. That doesn't agree with Exodus 20:11 and 31:17
@scottb4579 Thank you, Scott. It does, in fact, say that. But you can't use the Bible to check itself on questions of truth. That's called "circular reasoning."
@@kennethswenson6214 2 Peter 1:21For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. The Bible is given by God to man. It is not a product of man alone. Jesus bears witness to this in Mat 12:36 Since Jesus raised Himself from the dead, I'll consider Him to be an unimpeachable authority on these matters. And since the Bible is from God, it's not circular reasoning to refer to the Bible on questions of truth.
@@scottb4579 Olkay, except the "assertion" that is the case, did not "directly" come from God, but from Man asserting that the New Testament was "divinely inspired. Here's something to consider; all of the Books of The New Testament were written AFTER the Crucifixion, not even Jesus himself had the opportunity to vouch for the "validity" of other written versions of His teachings.
Hi Joel, where did the Gospel fit into the movie? How was Jesus presented and connected to the flood and eschatology (if at all)? Maybe i (or they) missed that bit!
At around the 25 minute mark, you stated that there isn't child sacrifice before the flood. However, my understanding that there is. (Smash the babies head against the stones sound familiar?)
Really happy to have found this video. There’s a lot of wisdom here, especially about forming big-picture beliefs when young, then going back and re-evaluating as you age. I was looking for something just like this after watching the movie, but all I could find were 11/10 positive reviews by evangelical southern Christians. My mom brought my girlfriend and I to see it with her. She’s struggled with religion her whole life, being raised JW, then leaving, then becoming non-denominational. Then, a few years ago she had a really bad breakdown involving witchcraft and Wicca and all kinds of Celtic, Greek, Egyptian mythology and all kinds of weird gemstones and potions and such. It ended with my brother and I living with our dad while she basically disappeared for two years. It seemed she was finally recovering, but a few months ago she announced she had converted to Messianic Judaism. At first I was quite interested, but the more I learn the more I just think she has a cult-like dependence mentality. That’s been reaffirmed by my psych-major girlfriend too. She is incredibly taken by end-times theology and has begun following Jonathan Cahn religiously. I don’t know much about the guy, but my research leads me to believe he makes up references to Trump, Oct. 7th, Covid, etc. in the Bible to galvanize an audience of evangelicals. Anyway, the first thing I noticed about the full-theater audience was that it was primarily older white women, a few old white men, and my girlfriend and I in our early twenties along with one other teenager whose mom had dragged him along. The movie was very pretty visually from the back-middle of the theater, but even with my rudimentary knowledge of geology and paleontology I was able to spot several issues with the evidence. For example, they claim that a rapid onset of water and sediment buried all life on earth. If that’s true, then why don’t we find fossils of humans alongside dinosaurs? They claim that fossils don’t form unless the subject is rabidly buried because “have you ever seen a raccoon hit on the side of the road become a fossil?” 🤔. They claim that dinosaur bones have been found alongside turkey and deer and dog bones, but there’s a global conspiracy of scientists to put them in different exhibits so that people don’t associate dinosaurs with “modern” animals. Like WHAT? WHY? AND NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS BLOWN A WHISTLE ON THAT??? Goofy stuff. Some of the evidence was interesting, but it was mostly the things I hadn’t researched myself. For example, the claim that “living” dna has been found in fossils which shouldn’t be possible if they’re millions of years old. I’m sure if I dig into it I’ll find a much more reasonable answer than “dinosaurs were alive 6000 years ago” though. Another claim that I found mildly interesting was fossilized trees protruding through layers of sediment. I did look into that and found a bevy of explanations. And yet, I could tell my mom was totally taken in by it, alongside all the other people sat around us aside from the teenager. We also had a round of clapping at my theater, and most of the audience stayed for the post-movie talk. The message was very much “If you don’t agree with us you’re either a bad Christian or stupid or both.” And I found it quite offputting. Like, don’t assume I’m part of this because I’m here. Absolutely nobody will be convinced by this movie. If you believe YEC then you will be all the more steadfast in that. If you’re an evolutionist, then you will walk away believing YEC are idiots. If you’re an evolutionist Christian like myself, you will walk away shaking your head. This movie would have been much more successful in its message if it was portrayed as a kind of What-if?,Finding Bigfoot-esque, “Hey, look at all this evidence that *mayyyyy* poke holes in our understanding of earth’s history” kind of movie. Instead it beats you over the head with “We are superior Christians because we believe the Bible is literal, and everyone else is either an atheist or an atheist shill.” Worse than my being put-off, my girlfriend was quite put-off as well. She comes to my non-denominational church with me, but she’s still very much in the discovery/rediscovery phase of it. She’s very Christian-sympathetic, but is still recovering from years in the secular education system. For people like her, I think this movie may have done far more damage than good. Stuff like this makes us all look silly. Converting people and winning souls is very much a game of introducing concepts at the right time. Things like this totally fumble the ball and send us back 100 years. When you argue that people either believe that all scientist and museums are involved in a global conspiracy to miseducate you, or believe all scientists in the world AREN’T doing that, you’re gonna lose 100% of the time. We were talking about the movie in the car-ride back, and my girlfriend was trying to be polite and discuss how interesting the theories in the movie were to my mom. I tried to push back a little tiny bit harder, and my mom almost completely shut down the discussion. I just don’t see why this should be such a critical issue to our faith. My personal belief is that the genesis story exists in the way it does due to the time it was in. Again, right concepts at the right time. If you told ancient humans the Earth was ACTUALLY a giant rock hurtling through space at thousands of miles per hour, originating from a massive explosion somewhere in space, and that all life originated from tiny little invisible bugs in the ocean, they’d’ve stoned you for impiety. Anyway, thanks for the video, Dr. I totally would’ve listened to you debunk each piece of evidence for another hour, but I’ll be waiting for that next video to come out :) Edit: I don’t wanna come off as bashing YEC creationists by the way. I personally believe in intelligent design, but If by the grace of God I end up in heaven and God says he created the Earth in 6 days 6000 years ago or so, I’d believe it in an instant. However, I’m a very logical person, and the evidence that we have here points to another answer. The messages of the Bible don’t hinge on believing YEC. I think it’s a topic that should be debated amongst strong Christians, and not with the Secular world, AKA those we should be working to save.
But the Bible says what the movie tries to explain, that the earth is young and that millions of years are lies!!! Two ways of seing the world : 1: word of man 2: word of God If The Bible is the inspired word of God, and if we believe it literally then almost everything is clear... Genesis 1 till 11 are fundamentals chapters for what we believe, quoted various times by Jesus himself... Jesus IS THE TRUTH IN PERSON (John 14:6) So do we believe? Do we need proofs for everything or is it primarily by faith in the word of God that christians should live?
I'm curious whether you and your denomination agree about this end times stuff. I find that stuff the scariest, especially since some of these people hobnob with people who literally can push the button. Talk about self-fulfilling prophecy... but it still won't make the rest of it true. I imagine the people in Jerusalem circa 68-70 CE probably thought it was the end times. But it didn't bring about paradise on earth.
Dispensational premillenialism has only been around 150 years or. Its a new interpretation of the end times. My background is not dispensational nor premillennial in its eschatology. All churches I have been part in are either Amil or post-mil in the their eschatology.
There is something you can purchase called an audio interface. It goes between your microphone and your computer. It allows you to increase the quality of the audio and set levels. They can be had for about $100. If you go on youtube, there are tutorials to help select the mic that will best accommodate your aspirations. It's kind of fun, in a nerdy way. And it ill help your videos not sound like you recorded them with a wax cylinder through a roll of toilet paper.
Do all my videos sound this way to you? Just wondering because I recorded this in a different location with a mic pin rather than my usual microphone and video setup.
2 Peter 3:2-4 New American Standard Bible 2 to remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles. The Coming Day of the Lord 3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers [a]fell asleep, all things continue just as they were from the beginning of creation.”
Oh, it is a film, the last one was awful, good thing I waited to see it "free". The T-Rex drown cause it had small arms. The Title is interesting as that is what it is really about, Impact Winter or the Covering Cherub of the World "Ark". This is why Tauroctony was performed in a cave or in underground chambers, same as the Apis Bull Boxes in Egypt. Sorry, didn't watch much, but the symbology at forty eight is astounding with the Minitor holding the Double Axe Thunderweapon which is the Superbolide from the shoulder of The Sky Bull as The Pleiades, the radiant of The Taurid Meteor Stream. This particular event was 4,325 years ago and produced the Indian Ocean Tsunami Chevrons.
I see ads for this movie every so often on my Facebook feed nowadays. Why are people so willing to invest a crapton of money into defending a literal interpretation of these particular ancient myths and folklore? You don't see people putting out polished documentaries arguing that Heracles or Quetzalcoatl and their myths were literally real.
"Why don't people believe?" Because it's evidently untrue. Because it's in fact precluded by the evidence. These disinformation spreaders really tick me off..
1 Peter 3 20 because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ
Atheist here. While I agree that Joel is a “creationist,” he fully accepts the theory of evolution, biology, geology, etc. Nor does Joel seem to be the kind of guy who tries to legislate enforced Christian views on all of us. I’m grateful for Joel and the work he puts into his videos, because he can reach some of these people in ways that non-evangelical Christian’s can’t. Also, I’m not entirely sure what hat the point is, of telling him something he already knows?
@@CharlesPayet Because it's always worthwhile to point out hypocrisy in people's worldviews. I detect a hint of superiority in Joel's approach to the "lowly" Christians who believe in the kind of creationism he doesn't accept. The fact is he's a creationist too. His creationism is just a little bit less ridiculous than the kind he mocks.
@@CharlesPayet Most YEC's aren't trying to legislate enforced Christian views on you but we are constantly force fed the religion of Darwinism. Can't tell you how many times I've been told how life began, how easy it was, Darwin and unguided nature done-did-it. But they got no proof or evidence for their claims.
@@yancooper3008You have no idea. Literally the only reason why it’s taught in science class in a predominantly Christian nation is because it not only explains the evidence and predicts data. There’s no known YEC model that is compatible with itself let alone with reality. Why else do you think the fossil record is the way it is? With every depositional environment that we see today on the not globally flooded earth represented in the stratigraphic record. What was the flood so magical that instead of behaving like a flood it perfectly mirrored natural processes acting over eons as new life forms evolve slowly as to be indistinguishable from the conclusion of modern science. That’s a pretty magical flood.
Totally agree with the "details" comment -- that has struck me as well. "Flood lays down sediment" is good, but then you get into types of sediment and lack of signs of flood deposits. "Water sorts items" is good, but then you look at the details of how the fossils are actually sorted (size, environment, complexity, etc.)."Aquatic animals don't need an ark", but then you see details of salt vs. fresh water survival. I really appreciate Dr. Duffs many videos on some of these details -- number of belemnite rostrums, insect life-cycle damage in fossilized bones, etc.
Exactly this. Attended a CMI talk recently and there was simply no way for the bulk of the audience to critically evaluate the geological claims being made. Limestones within the Grand Canyon stratigraphic sequence completely eliminates the rapid sedimentation of the entire package.
I hope that you and other YEC-analyzing people, like Erika and Dapper and all will do a group review of this movie!
I would prefer they not give their money to creationists.
@@InquisitiveBible Why exactly my friend?
@@goteamslugs Giving money to creationists results in more creationism.
@@InquisitiveBible It seems as though you don't approve, despite your username.
@@goteamslugs I tend to find that creationists have a terrible understanding of the Bible and constantly misrepresent it.
Thanks for this! Looking forward to your "10 Most Important Moments of the Film" video. I am actually a pre-trib pre-mil dispensationalist, but I also think the earth is ancient and the flood was a real, but regional, event. So I have a foot in both camps, which can be a bit tricky. What frustrates me is that connecting pre-mil eschatology with YEC denigrates our eschatology. Pre-mil is a view worth taking seriously, even if one doesn't land there, but if it gets thrown in with pet dinosaurs... argh!
Speaking on the end times, Peter did say they'll deny the flood and it's also mentioned there's going to be a falling away. Not saying we are 100% there but it does feel like it's getting close.
Thanks for the comment. I've been reading a lot of works from the fundamentalist controversy in the 1910 and 1920s. The language they use to describe society and the world is no different than those today. They also thought they were need the end. It would be hard to say the world is worse now than during WWI. Just different forms of sin. In fact globally there are more Christians now than then so its not all bad. I would also note the film says the world denied the flood since the middle 1850s and with YEC there is probably more people that believe a world wide flood than there has been in a quite a while so there is that too.
@@DrJoelDuffI don't put an age on the earth or the end times. But as far the world getting better, I did watch your video on that about how everyone feels their generation is worse than the previous and the data doesn't support that. But through a biblical view it's hard not to see man walking to his eventual destruction, at least progressively. Two world wars now, and man now having the ability to annihilate the planet and those capabilities only increasing. At some point the dam has to break. Thanks for the reply, just my two cents.
@@DrJoelDuff Yeah, I did watch your video about how people believe their generation is worse than the previous generation and how the data doesn't back that up. That's true of a lot of things, like people believing cars are better built in the 1960's than they are today, something which is clearly false.
They didn't have power windows, for example. Engines in general last longer today. But the WWI and WWII examples seem to fail. It's like a forest for the trees thing.
I could understand from their perspective how they believed the world was going to end. It's a world war, after all. But then came the Manhattan project and the Cold War, the US has enough nukes to destroy the planet twice over and so does Russia. Many rising nuclear powers, too. Not that I put a date on it, I don't put a date on the flood or the earth as well. But it's hard not to see man walking towards his inevitable destruction. I really don't see how two World Wars lessons that reality. But thanks for the reply.
A note about “documentary” type productions - do not accept a single word as true unless you have heard the counter arguments from the “experts”, and have considered their evidence.
I'm very interested in hearing more about this, and more of your thoughts. Helps me understand what most of the people I'm connected to (and love a lot) are hearing.
I'm hoping to do follow up video (with better audio) that dives into the evidence that was brought up in the film.
@@DrJoelDuff Have you made this video yet or still planning on doing so?
@@dylanrobinson133 I would like to know as well. :)
I guess Genesis 9:11 means nothing because it only says God won't use a flood to wipe out humanity again. All other methods are on the table.
When Dr @Joel Duff tells the story of how the audience is in awe at the “science” I felt sad. Sad for the state of science knowledge in the USA.
Tell me, what is good about indoctrination of children, with a fantasyland & its vocabulary? Can you really expect everyone to pretend your God made Mormons so Christians would feel like Jews? Get my email address, I am here to teach the illiterate.
In the USA access to science has a (high) price. Universities don't work for the development of country and businesses but are profit-based business in and of themselves. This naturally leads to concentration of knowledge among the richest part of the population. Actually the state of science, limited to those who have access, is rather high, but in the competition among states, the USA is falling behind. Climbers are China, Russia and India, among others. The so-called top-100 of universities is populated by mostly American and British universities. Obviously something is wrong with how this top-100 is set up.
Sorry to say this, but as someone from.another part of the world, a large part of Earth regards your nation, despite its millions of clever, innovative and highly educated people as barbaric and socially backward. And a blight on the rest of the world.
Your polity, your social fabric and institutions have been goin down the toilet the last 50 years. Your leaders have all been a disgrace since Jimmy Carter.
If there is a second flood. They are definitely going to need a bigger boat. 😂
The thing is there won't be a second flood
@@5Servidor Correct. :)
It's been 4 months. When's the 2nd part coming out specifically dealing with the scientific arguments?
😂 I just reacted like I'd seen a celebrity. "Dan Biddle? From Erika's videos????"
Maybe you mean dapper dinosaur? I’m not aware of Erika doing a dance biddle special. Maybe off hand comments she may have but dapper has done a specific series in Dan biddle.
@@ianchenofficial Ptobably both, I just remember Erika's voice/face saying "Dan Biddle" with disgust, lol.
Didn`t they make a Noah flood movie with Russel Crowe?
How about a series on the evidence for the beginning of the universe, the beginning of life, and evolution. I think there will be a lot of interesting questions and variations among secular scientists.
Been doing research on this for the past month or so, for a talk to be given later. In general if you strip everything down; AIG is looking at the Bible and Genesis, using eisegesis instead of exegesis.
The movie didn't play in town so I didn't see it (and probably wouldn't have anyway, TBO), but there's a companion guide for the movie so I'm going to be reading it to see what Biddle has to say.
Hi, where do I find the investigation of the claims of the movie? Would be interesting to watch. Christ love! ✝️
Isn’t Noah as someone who preaches for the pre-flood world more something that comes from the Quran instead of Genesis? I’m not sure if Noah even speaks during Flood-narrative
Maybe they're looking at 2 Pet 2:5 where Noah is called a preacher of righteousness? Doesn't specifically say he preached before the flood, but it's not anti-biblical to think that he spent some time during the construction of the ark to warn the people around him.
It is interesting to note that Genesis never says how long the primordial earth and the rest of the universe existed prior to God prepping the earth for life and actually creating it here. Genesis is clear the earth was here, without form and void, prior to creation. It also implies the stars were already here as well. Gen 1:16 says God made two great lights, obviously the sun to "rule the day" and the lesser to "rule the night", KJV says, he made the stars also but "he made" was added by the King James interpreters and a more accurate rendition is "the lesser light to rule the night with the stars." As a creationist I believe trying to ingnore the obvious great age of the universe makes us look a bit silly and that Genesis is simply says God came here, formed and molded an existing mass of chaos and put life here 6000 years ago.
First and foremost, anybody is allowed to believe. The problem occurs when an individual, quietly or out loud says that their belief is the only answer. I believe in the possibility of The Flood, I just think the Bible, especially when you add things to the text by "eisegesis", or going way beyond the nuance of the text. That your argument is not a strong one.
God tells us twice in Exodus Chap 20 and Chap 31 He created all things in the six days of the creation week. That means Earth created on Day 1. Nothing existed before "the beginning". There has to be a beginning to all things except God who is uncreated. God started the creation on Day 1 and you're trying to say "well, there's really another Day 1 far, far, into the past before the Day 1 in Genesis. That doesn't agree with Exodus 20:11 and 31:17
@scottb4579 Thank you, Scott. It does, in fact, say that. But you can't use the Bible to check itself on questions of truth. That's called "circular reasoning."
@@kennethswenson6214 2 Peter 1:21For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
The Bible is given by God to man. It is not a product of man alone. Jesus bears witness to this in Mat 12:36
Since Jesus raised Himself from the dead, I'll consider Him to be an unimpeachable authority on these matters. And since the Bible is from God, it's not circular reasoning to refer to the Bible on questions of truth.
@@scottb4579 Olkay, except the "assertion" that is the case, did not "directly" come from God, but from Man asserting that the New Testament was "divinely inspired. Here's something to consider; all of the Books of The New Testament were written AFTER the Crucifixion, not even Jesus himself had the opportunity to vouch for the "validity" of other written versions of His teachings.
Looking forward to the sequel feature [response videos] about Babel.
Hi Joel, where did the Gospel fit into the movie? How was Jesus presented and connected to the flood and eschatology (if at all)? Maybe i (or they) missed that bit!
At around the 25 minute mark, you stated that there isn't child sacrifice before the flood. However, my understanding that there is. (Smash the babies head against the stones sound familiar?)
The heat problem alone makes this story utterly scientifically impossible.
How do I see the film
Really happy to have found this video. There’s a lot of wisdom here, especially about forming big-picture beliefs when young, then going back and re-evaluating as you age. I was looking for something just like this after watching the movie, but all I could find were 11/10 positive reviews by evangelical southern Christians.
My mom brought my girlfriend and I to see it with her. She’s struggled with religion her whole life, being raised JW, then leaving, then becoming non-denominational. Then, a few years ago she had a really bad breakdown involving witchcraft and Wicca and all kinds of Celtic, Greek, Egyptian mythology and all kinds of weird gemstones and potions and such. It ended with my brother and I living with our dad while she basically disappeared for two years. It seemed she was finally recovering, but a few months ago she announced she had converted to Messianic Judaism. At first I was quite interested, but the more I learn the more I just think she has a cult-like dependence mentality. That’s been reaffirmed by my psych-major girlfriend too. She is incredibly taken by end-times theology and has begun following Jonathan Cahn religiously. I don’t know much about the guy, but my research leads me to believe he makes up references to Trump, Oct. 7th, Covid, etc. in the Bible to galvanize an audience of evangelicals.
Anyway, the first thing I noticed about the full-theater audience was that it was primarily older white women, a few old white men, and my girlfriend and I in our early twenties along with one other teenager whose mom had dragged him along. The movie was very pretty visually from the back-middle of the theater, but even with my rudimentary knowledge of geology and paleontology I was able to spot several issues with the evidence. For example, they claim that a rapid onset of water and sediment buried all life on earth. If that’s true, then why don’t we find fossils of humans alongside dinosaurs? They claim that fossils don’t form unless the subject is rabidly buried because “have you ever seen a raccoon hit on the side of the road become a fossil?” 🤔. They claim that dinosaur bones have been found alongside turkey and deer and dog bones, but there’s a global conspiracy of scientists to put them in different exhibits so that people don’t associate dinosaurs with “modern” animals. Like WHAT? WHY? AND NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS BLOWN A WHISTLE ON THAT??? Goofy stuff.
Some of the evidence was interesting, but it was mostly the things I hadn’t researched myself. For example, the claim that “living” dna has been found in fossils which shouldn’t be possible if they’re millions of years old. I’m sure if I dig into it I’ll find a much more reasonable answer than “dinosaurs were alive 6000 years ago” though. Another claim that I found mildly interesting was fossilized trees protruding through layers of sediment. I did look into that and found a bevy of explanations.
And yet, I could tell my mom was totally taken in by it, alongside all the other people sat around us aside from the teenager. We also had a round of clapping at my theater, and most of the audience stayed for the post-movie talk. The message was very much “If you don’t agree with us you’re either a bad Christian or stupid or both.” And I found it quite offputting. Like, don’t assume I’m part of this because I’m here. Absolutely nobody will be convinced by this movie. If you believe YEC then you will be all the more steadfast in that. If you’re an evolutionist, then you will walk away believing YEC are idiots. If you’re an evolutionist Christian like myself, you will walk away shaking your head. This movie would have been much more successful in its message if it was portrayed as a kind of What-if?,Finding Bigfoot-esque, “Hey, look at all this evidence that *mayyyyy* poke holes in our understanding of earth’s history” kind of movie. Instead it beats you over the head with “We are superior Christians because we believe the Bible is literal, and everyone else is either an atheist or an atheist shill.”
Worse than my being put-off, my girlfriend was quite put-off as well. She comes to my non-denominational church with me, but she’s still very much in the discovery/rediscovery phase of it. She’s very Christian-sympathetic, but is still recovering from years in the secular education system. For people like her, I think this movie may have done far more damage than good. Stuff like this makes us all look silly. Converting people and winning souls is very much a game of introducing concepts at the right time. Things like this totally fumble the ball and send us back 100 years. When you argue that people either believe that all scientist and museums are involved in a global conspiracy to miseducate you, or believe all scientists in the world AREN’T doing that, you’re gonna lose 100% of the time.
We were talking about the movie in the car-ride back, and my girlfriend was trying to be polite and discuss how interesting the theories in the movie were to my mom. I tried to push back a little tiny bit harder, and my mom almost completely shut down the discussion. I just don’t see why this should be such a critical issue to our faith. My personal belief is that the genesis story exists in the way it does due to the time it was in. Again, right concepts at the right time. If you told ancient humans the Earth was ACTUALLY a giant rock hurtling through space at thousands of miles per hour, originating from a massive explosion somewhere in space, and that all life originated from tiny little invisible bugs in the ocean, they’d’ve stoned you for impiety.
Anyway, thanks for the video, Dr. I totally would’ve listened to you debunk each piece of evidence for another hour, but I’ll be waiting for that next video to come out :)
Edit: I don’t wanna come off as bashing YEC creationists by the way. I personally believe in intelligent design, but If by the grace of God I end up in heaven and God says he created the Earth in 6 days 6000 years ago or so, I’d believe it in an instant. However, I’m a very logical person, and the evidence that we have here points to another answer. The messages of the Bible don’t hinge on believing YEC. I think it’s a topic that should be debated amongst strong Christians, and not with the Secular world, AKA those we should be working to save.
But the Bible says what the movie tries to explain, that the earth is young and that millions of years are lies!!!
Two ways of seing the world :
1: word of man
2: word of God
If The Bible is the inspired word of God, and if we believe it literally then almost everything is clear...
Genesis 1 till 11 are fundamentals chapters for what we believe, quoted various times by Jesus himself... Jesus IS THE TRUTH IN PERSON (John 14:6) So do we believe? Do we need proofs for everything or is it primarily by faith in the word of God that christians should live?
I'm curious whether you and your denomination agree about this end times stuff. I find that stuff the scariest, especially since some of these people hobnob with people who literally can push the button. Talk about self-fulfilling prophecy... but it still won't make the rest of it true. I imagine the people in Jerusalem circa 68-70 CE probably thought it was the end times. But it didn't bring about paradise on earth.
Dispensational premillenialism has only been around 150 years or. Its a new interpretation of the end times. My background is not dispensational nor premillennial in its eschatology. All churches I have been part in are either Amil or post-mil in the their eschatology.
@@DrJoelDuff Thanks for answering. I will look up all those words to figure out what that means. 😏
@@DrJoelDuff Dr Joel, I disagree that dispensationalism premillennialism is only 150 years old; it is written about in Romans 11:25-26 :)
There is something you can purchase called an audio interface. It goes between your microphone and your computer. It allows you to increase the quality of the audio and set levels. They can be had for about $100. If you go on youtube, there are tutorials to help select the mic that will best accommodate your aspirations. It's kind of fun, in a nerdy way.
And it ill help your videos not sound like you recorded them with a wax cylinder through a roll of toilet paper.
Do all my videos sound this way to you? Just wondering because I recorded this in a different location with a mic pin rather than my usual microphone and video setup.
2 Peter 3:2-4
New American Standard Bible
2 to remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles.
The Coming Day of the Lord
3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers [a]fell asleep, all things continue just as they were from the beginning of creation.”
Oh, it is a film, the last one was awful, good thing I waited to see it "free". The T-Rex drown cause it had small arms. The Title is interesting as that is what it is really about, Impact Winter or the Covering Cherub of the World "Ark". This is why Tauroctony was performed in a cave or in underground chambers, same as the Apis Bull Boxes in Egypt. Sorry, didn't watch much, but the symbology at forty eight is astounding with the Minitor holding the Double Axe Thunderweapon which is the Superbolide from the shoulder of The Sky Bull as The Pleiades, the radiant of The Taurid Meteor Stream. This particular event was 4,325 years ago and produced the Indian Ocean Tsunami Chevrons.
I see ads for this movie every so often on my Facebook feed nowadays. Why are people so willing to invest a crapton of money into defending a literal interpretation of these particular ancient myths and folklore? You don't see people putting out polished documentaries arguing that Heracles or Quetzalcoatl and their myths were literally real.
Why ? Why? I'll tell you why. Because a large percentage of your nation are gumbies.
My three proofs are more important than your thousands of proofs
Flat earth logic
One world government stuff gets scarily close to anti semitism
"Why don't people believe?"
Because it's evidently untrue. Because it's in fact precluded by the evidence.
These disinformation spreaders really tick me off..
1 Peter 3
20 because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.
21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ
You're a creationist too, Joel. You just move the creation event further back in the cosmic timeline. Glass houses, etc.
Atheist here. While I agree that Joel is a “creationist,” he fully accepts the theory of evolution, biology, geology, etc.
Nor does Joel seem to be the kind of guy who tries to legislate enforced Christian views on all of us.
I’m grateful for Joel and the work he puts into his videos, because he can reach some of these people in ways that non-evangelical Christian’s can’t.
Also, I’m not entirely sure what hat the point is, of telling him something he already knows?
@@CharlesPayet Because it's always worthwhile to point out hypocrisy in people's worldviews. I detect a hint of superiority in Joel's approach to the "lowly" Christians who believe in the kind of creationism he doesn't accept. The fact is he's a creationist too. His creationism is just a little bit less ridiculous than the kind he mocks.
@@CharlesPayet Most YEC's aren't trying to legislate enforced Christian views on you but we are constantly force fed the religion of Darwinism. Can't tell you how many times I've been told how life began, how easy it was, Darwin and unguided nature done-did-it. But they got no proof or evidence for their claims.
@@yancooper3008You have no idea.
Literally the only reason why it’s taught in science class in a predominantly Christian nation is because it not only explains the evidence and predicts data. There’s no known YEC model that is compatible with itself let alone with reality.
Why else do you think the fossil record is the way it is? With every depositional environment that we see today on the not globally flooded earth represented in the stratigraphic record.
What was the flood so magical that instead of behaving like a flood it perfectly mirrored natural processes acting over eons as new life forms evolve slowly as to be indistinguishable from the conclusion of modern science.
That’s a pretty magical flood.
@@yancooper3008YECs are all about Christian Dominion.. what Rick have you been sleeping u der