By Design: Behe, Lennox, and Meyer on the Evidence for a Creator

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  • @makaylahollywood3677
    @makaylahollywood3677 Рік тому +479

    I am a teacher. But, now I want to be a student...i can listen all day, i need people to discuss this with. Excellent, engaging. I am so hungry to be around this intelligence.

  • @philipford6183
    @philipford6183 Рік тому +2013

    I didn't go to university. These Hoover conversations are a part of the education I never got. Absolutely fascinating. Many thanks to Peter Robinson for keeping it accessible to viewers like me.

  • @mauganra2589
    @mauganra2589 Рік тому +492

    Please never stop doing interviews like these, this is by far one of the best and most intellectually stirring channels here on UA-cam.

  • @hatalatesting6476
    @hatalatesting6476 Рік тому +786

    I'm astounded and grateful that this level of scientific discussion and inquiry is available for FREE to the world. Thank you!

  • @cyrusademola1326
    @cyrusademola1326 Рік тому +624

    I need a conversation between John Lennox and Jordan Peterson so badly.

  • @angelalewis3645
    @angelalewis3645 Рік тому +270

    I read Meyer before watching this, and he is brilliant. But I’d never read Lennox before, and he is blowing my mind. He understands the whole conversation at all of the extra and meta levels, and he is SO well read in SO many fields!

  • @ferrantepallas
    @ferrantepallas Рік тому +1257

    I'm a physician and I have to say that this is one of the truly most marvellous discussions I have been privy to about science, the limits of science, and the questioning spirit of humankind. Kudos to all the participants and an especial note of gratitude to Professor Lennox's concluding remarks.

  • @222ableVelo
    @222ableVelo Рік тому +909

    Love these discussions. And Peter Robinson is a great interviewer. Discussing topics that our poor education system refuses to cover.

    • @jonathanweilbacher9714
      @jonathanweilbacher9714 Рік тому +48

      Absolutely correct. We need more of the Robinsons, Petersons, and other intellectuals of this caliber to speak out on how to think. The main thing universities should but refuse to teach. Thank you gentlemen. With absolute gratitude.

    • @Simon.the.Likeable
      @Simon.the.Likeable Рік тому +17

      My favorite summation of Peter's skills is at 31:47

  • @faithburns8379
    @faithburns8379 Рік тому +186

    We are “fearfully and wonderfully made“, this is quite clear from this conversation

  • @droe2570
    @droe2570 Рік тому +190

    I could listen to these guys for days, weeks, and not get enough.

  • @useruseruseruseruser790
    @useruseruseruseruser790 Рік тому +652

    I am not highly educated and stumbled across this. Wow. I have been totally blown away by what these people had to say. I was certain that the theory of evolution was untouchable, and that the concept of intelligent design was all about religious people clinging to their beliefs. After listening to this it seems to me that science may be moving to support the concept of some kind of intelligent design.

  • @Pam-bx2mm
    @Pam-bx2mm Рік тому +135

    When I took anatomy and physiology I was amazed at how all the cells in the immune system know what to do, how all the cells in the human body know what to do to keep the body as a whole functioning. It’s intricate and in a way beautiful.

  • @chacha3209
    @chacha3209 Рік тому +622

    I'm a Health Care Professional and throughout all my education we would discuss this subject. "THIS DISCUSSION" IS the most FASCINATING I'VE EVER LISTENED TO! THANKS SO VERY MUCH 🥰! I'm sending THIS out to ALL my friends! Especially the atheists!

  • @grainiac7824
    @grainiac7824 Рік тому +38

    Been a Meyers fan for years. So smart yet kind and humble.

  • @thepurpleenigma
    @thepurpleenigma Рік тому +228

    The boldness of these brilliant scientists to come together and assess the prevailing theories surrounding evolution, and then all come up with a rational foundation for the theory for the existence of a “coder mechanism” (aka God)… absolutely nothing short of beautiful.

  • @poetmaggie1
    @poetmaggie1 Рік тому +102

    Right now politics cares about making science say what they want it to say so there is not much science avalible to us right now, because politics is not allowing it to be known. Thanks for this great discussion.

  • @user-yc8wr4jv7j
    @user-yc8wr4jv7j Рік тому +112

    Peter has conducted the entire presentation with highest skill

  • @jawneethecurious
    @jawneethecurious Рік тому +249

    These gentlemen are certainly heroes of our modern age... individuals that know how to think! Awesome!

  • @user-ce7bj4rk8r
    @user-ce7bj4rk8r Рік тому +231

    Peter, this is the most sophisticated and beautiful show in the modern age. The search for truth is the most compelling story one can tell.

  • @angelalewis3645
    @angelalewis3645 Рік тому +155

    “Who’s dead? God or Charles Darwin?” 😂 Great opening!

  • @estherroyde4449
    @estherroyde4449 Рік тому +295

    Good to see Meyer back as thought he didn't get enough chance to speak on the last episode. Love the smiles. Mind-blowingly beautiful content.

  • @brentfugett2700
    @brentfugett2700 Рік тому +31

    I listened to this podcast on the way back from bringing my daughter back from University. I went past my very familiar exit, driving until I looked up and saw I had driven 40 minutes past my turn. I am indeed a Christian though I don't *need* intelligent design to justify my faith, I'm interested in ID for just the reasons these gentlemen articulate very well. It seems that proponents of natural selection with no consideration for intelligent input have much greater faith than I do. I understand the reasoning for keeping things within the scientifically observable but there are many aspects to nature and life are woefully, inadequately explained by Darwinism. The apparent abject refusal to consider intelligence even when it seems favored by the evidence is puzzling to me. Of course not a biologist my attention is on the things in life that seem very intentional and don't really ring of purely random influence, such as generally perfect symmetry of almost all living things, the absence of random spare parts, the fact that ALL species that I can recollect seem to be very much in a state of not just completion but elegance and purpose. I would really like to see a respectful, dignified debate with these gentlemen and some Darwinian scientists.
    PS one outcome from this was an appreciation for Darwin's honesty and self imposed vulnerability regarding his theories.

  • @twiladimatteo
    @twiladimatteo Рік тому +163

    I could listen to you all for hours💛 You help me keep my sanity. I pray everything by Darwin will be buried once & for all.🤗 I thank God for giving you men the knowledge you have🙏

  • @winstonbarquez9538
    @winstonbarquez9538 Рік тому +60

    We cannot see the human mind, but we know that it exists because of its manifestations. The same could be said of the divine mind.

  • @thewatcher3100
    @thewatcher3100 Рік тому +57

    I just adore John Lennox. I could sit and listen to him talk for hours and hours.

  • @saxoncordeaux9290
    @saxoncordeaux9290 Рік тому +72

    Thank you! I remember my older Brother telling me of his intellectual conflict with his Biology Teacher at St. Peters College in Australia.
    In a nutshell he disagreed, or questioned, with what his Biology Teacher was positing, which was that genetic mutation in a species to make it more efficient or give it more survivability is random and by chance. My Brother asked "What is it that decides this is the best mutation or that mutation should even occur?" His teacher said it is just chance. My Brother said "surely there must be some intelligence that decided to mutate the DNA and how best to mutate?" He was kicked out of his class.
    I remember a good example of intelligent mutation of moths in England. These moths inhabited and survived in a small area in England that used to be an industrial coal mining area. The original moths survived being white of colour as the bark on the trees were white, when the area became industrialised the bark turned black. Meaning the moths could no longer attach to a tree trunk and be hidden from predators. They were picked off very easily by birds, white moth on dark bark stood out. What happened is fascinating, the following generations of moths became dark in colour to be able to blend in to the now dark bark, not just a darker colour but perfectly the same colour of the bark. The white moths died out and the whole species, maybe some exceptions, became perfectly resonant with their environment to ensure its survival as a species.
    Now, these materialist scientists say it is random and chance. I posit absolutely not. Somehow there was a specific choice beyond the moths mental apparatus to mutate and mutate specifically. They didn't mutate to green, pink or blue. They don't even see colour like we can, same as octopus being able to change colour, it's the frequency and vibration that they sense, all is that anyway, but curious that these moths mutated perfectly without any trial and error.
    What I think we will notice more and more in so called Science, is like you gentlemen mentioned we must expand our scope which can help to narrow down our understanding. I posit that this evolutionary jump in science will be the 'consideration' that Consciousness (what ever that is) will be found to be the basis and foundation of creation. In everything and connected to EVERYTHING.
    There is an old saying from Ancient Hermetics, "The Universe is Mental". You can find a book written anonymously in 1908 I think, "The Kybalion" the Authors were "Written by Three Initiates". They state that the Universe is Mental, or Mind, which to me means Consciousness.
    There is also an interesting statement that sometimes I say incorrectly but it stayed with me and elucidates that there is no such thing as "Separation" in the Universe, everything is intrinsically connected and that there is some kind of higher Being. I'll attempt it, ok so...
    "All is in 'THE ALL',....and 'THE ALL' is in All."
    I love that, took me a while to absorb, can't be done only intellectually, it must be understood experientially as well, mind-body-consciousness (or soul) Holy Trinity...........Light-Sound-Geometry, all express frequency and wavelength. And all the same thing, just expressed uniquely. That is the new language. All understood through Math but it isn't just that. Math is the lens to see through to listen to what the Universe is telling us. There is something beyond all of this, and whatever it is, is Unknowable. But it can be experienced. Words aren't needed and quite useless lol.
    Thank you for this experience hearing all four of you, Love it!

  • @jakyru1981
    @jakyru1981 Рік тому +58

    Was watching Harvard lectures but got tired of most of them being agostic or atheist. Thought it was time me to listen (again) to a channel with some humility.

  • @dougg1075
    @dougg1075 Рік тому +84

    Hey, if you guys ever want to go over your allotted time, I think we’re OK with it

  • @teresaburton4145
    @teresaburton4145 Рік тому +46

    Peter Robinson is so humble. He’s a brilliant mind and fits in well with the other three brilliant minds.

  • @TARZANswings
    @TARZANswings Рік тому +176

    Their is no evidence whatsoever that disproves his existence, deep down everyone knows that GOD exists, all praise and glory to GOD

  • @greggm206
    @greggm206 Рік тому +140

    Gosh I watched every minute of this with high focus. What amazing guests and thinkers.. thank you for giving this super interesting subject proper airtime and exposure.

  • @chandrasekhargrenze9211
    @chandrasekhargrenze9211 Рік тому +428

    Fantastic! Thank you! Such a great conversation! I will listen to it several times! It's such a gift to us to be able to listen to such conversations as if we were students and learn from those who have really STUDIED those who made important discoveries in the past and didn't get their information from wikipedia. It stimulates to do the same and begin to read by myself. Thank you, Mr. Robinson for being that great host that you are!

  • @aj225
    @aj225 Рік тому +59

    Great to hear Steven Meyer suggest the notion that Darwinism is a form of secular religion. A point I have have long held to as, I assert that everyone has a religion! Your god can be whatever is most important to YOU.

  • @israelabera350
    @israelabera350 Рік тому +59

    I'm really thankful and grateful to see such an amazing discussion on challenging topics like this. Thank you all.

  • @Giovazization
    @Giovazization Рік тому +55

    I find it very interesting how Peter has managed to integrate Stephen in a broader discussion with other experts to explore and ventilate the subjects so eloquently but still technically described in his books which might otherwise have been confined to a very narrow group of readers with technical or scientific beckgrounds. Good Job Peter! Always a pleasure listening to you as an interviewer.

  • @johnsimms6184
    @johnsimms6184 Рік тому +111

    This was spiritual. We should all look at life as these three men do.

  • @roddielumsden1501
    @roddielumsden1501 Рік тому +168

    Love the conversations of these distinguished Professors, I can only deduce that should anyone of them need anything heavy lifted in their homes I would be honoured

  • @jdzentrist8711
    @jdzentrist8711 Рік тому +45

    I still do not understand, but my understanding is now at a higher level.

  • @robertl.crowtherii8179
    @robertl.crowtherii8179 Рік тому +142

    The more we know the more exposed the problems of modern evolutionary theory become. t\The time problem, the linguistic problem, the information problem, the comibatorial problem, the list goes on and on. Even Bach is a problem for Darwin! Great discussion.

  • @ThePclayton
    @ThePclayton Рік тому +110

    Loved this! I would’ve like to seen Dr James Tour included in this discussion. But wow, what a great discussion. Three of my favorites at one table.

  • @yvonnekiwior9633
    @yvonnekiwior9633 Рік тому +39

    Brilliant! Thank you for sharing, I am truly fascinated with your three thought provoking guest!!! Such brilliant men who speak so eloquently, what a special treat for me tonight🙏

  • @constanceheuring6872
    @constanceheuring6872 Рік тому +121

    Fabulous discussion! Every college student should watch this!

  • @mikecalabrese28
    @mikecalabrese28 Рік тому +205

    Wow, wow, wow! What an awesome discussion and debate that ultimately proves the existence of the Creator "Coder". Simply fantastic and so much more valuable than the garbage being pushed in so many of our universities today. Thank you so much gentlemen!

  • @johnwakefield9378
    @johnwakefield9378 Рік тому +113

    Another most interesting and challenging topic with three top logical intellectual men and a great moderator / interviewer. Thanks for the content and thoughts it stimulates in me as well will take seeing more than once to grasp

  • @FredNogueira
    @FredNogueira Рік тому +38

    I am buying the books from those guys! This is just fascinating!

  • @PilgrimSurgeon
    @PilgrimSurgeon Рік тому +37

    This is a gem. A gathering of intelligent minds.

  • @davidmcclean8811
    @davidmcclean8811 Рік тому +30

    its nice to see that intellectualism and truth are not mutually exclusive.

  • @seadog223
    @seadog223 Рік тому +94

    Very necessary conversation! I love Lennox and it was great to hear him today.

  • @damienholdridge6560
    @damienholdridge6560 Рік тому +64

    Great video, it’d be interesting to see any or all of these professors have a conversation with or debate an educated proponent of Darwinism. Cheers

  • @jackloo7233
    @jackloo7233 Рік тому +71

    Love all these men! God bless them- can’t wait to listen to this talk in full.

  • @rossd6809
    @rossd6809 Рік тому +31

    One can only imagine the conversation after this interview.

  • @MyloBgood
    @MyloBgood Рік тому +153

    Thank you so much for such a word class interview with world class participants. I must say it was a wonderful follow-up to, in my opinion being a Christian, a anticlimactic interview last episode. I appreciate Murray and Holland having read them but themselves not being Christians (yet) won't go near the logical ends of their own work.

  • @Atlantis1789
    @Atlantis1789 Рік тому +53

    ThankYou. A magnificent conversation. I am enlightened, inspired, and empowered!

  • @robertmicelli2946
    @robertmicelli2946 Рік тому +53

    you men are my heroes. I cannot properly express my gratitude to all of you.

  • @cdavidhord
    @cdavidhord Рік тому +76

    I very much enjoyed this well executed and reasoned discussion. I will enjoy sharing this with my family this evening.

  • @mabelheinzle2275
    @mabelheinzle2275 Рік тому +23

    Opens my mind … lights up my soul

  • @michealmoats3589
    @michealmoats3589 Рік тому +79

    Gentlemen thank you so much for your insight and honest appraisal of what is the nature of our world and our existence.

  • @Lovingtroll
    @Lovingtroll Рік тому +73

    I sent this video to a friend and he dismissed it because it was from the Hoover institute. I pray God guides him and me

  • @alfredmathivathanan483
    @alfredmathivathanan483 Рік тому +56

    What a brilliant discussion by the exceptionally gifted yet down to earth professionals!

  • @SolveEtCoagula93
    @SolveEtCoagula93 Рік тому +10

    Just because we have reached a point in our understanding where we recognise that we don't have all the answers does not mean that we allow our brains to go to mush and yell, 'God did it!' - which explains nothing. Science works by taking the challenge of the unknown and then working out what the missing pieces are.
    This discussion shows that one particular model (Darwin's evolution) does not work in its current form. So, recognising the limitations, we build upon them and, eventually, find new mechanisms which solve the problems. This is the way good science works!
    A good example of this occured in the 19th century when scientists couldn't erxplain how the Sun could burn for more than a few 10's of thousands of years. They were working with the idea of simple chemical reactions. When radioactivity came along and we realised just how much energy could be released via nuclear decay we suddenly had an answer that made sense.

  • @willcarlson3415
    @willcarlson3415 Рік тому +14

    I think and feel that last comment was the most powerful of all!

  • @adrianefigtree7297
    @adrianefigtree7297 9 місяців тому +13

    ♥John Lennox at the end♥ And the entire program♥ Precious♥

  • @kempston1
    @kempston1 Рік тому +115

    Thank you for this wonderful discussion with such eminent guests. This resonated with me because the perfection of all that we see around us,
    animals, plants, seacreatures, planets, stars & even machinery can not be explained to my satisfaction by solely evolution over millions of years.

  • @carolroberts8930
    @carolroberts8930 Рік тому +74

    Absolutely fascinating discussion. I love the illustration that the cell is like a city with multiple activities performed by even more multiple elements or entities. The entire creation from the heavens to the tiniest, simplest elements of life can be envisioned in the same manner. I would ask, in the cellular model, what would be the equivalent of the negative, even criminal elements in a city? Would that correspond to disease, genetic abnormalities, etc.? Thank you for honoring God, the Creator of all things, in this discussion. May He be glorified!

  • @karlschmied6218
    @karlschmied6218 Рік тому +11

    I found 3 videos posted by The Hoover Institution with blocked comment section:
    1. Uncommon Knowledge with David Berlinski on “The Deniable Darwin”
    2. Stephen Meyer on Intelligent Design and The Return of the God Hypothesis
    3. Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution
    Why is that?

  • @thepathlesstraveled659
    @thepathlesstraveled659 Рік тому +14

    Dr. John Lennox, God bless you. No violence!

  • @elizabethryan2217
    @elizabethryan2217 Рік тому +11

    Like others on this thread, I'm so grateful to be a fly on the wall for this kind of discussion.
    I did get a bit lost at 17 mins - not quite sure of the point Prof Lennox (I love this man) was making after or about the mousetrap problem. If anyone has time or inclination to explain, I'd love it! 🙏🏼

  • @pamwren6866
    @pamwren6866 Рік тому +5

    Dear Peter, You have led these men astonishingly to encapsulate for the lay person the highest thinking on the most important issue of our day. This is a monumental conversation. Thank you so much.

  • @stephenjohnson3084
    @stephenjohnson3084 Рік тому +31

    This is a wonderful talk. Though I would have liked to have heard representation of conflicting opinions to get a broader understanding of both sides of the topic, not just a conversation of consensus. Very interesting none the less.

  • @SonjaSophie
    @SonjaSophie Рік тому +45

    Excellent - there is hope for us yet! Really enjoyed this discussion.

  • @itukmolklix7392
    @itukmolklix7392 Рік тому +8

    Thank you for the more favorable to my faith discussion, God bless you all!

  • @tomparks3518
    @tomparks3518 Рік тому +7

    Creation is a miracle, which can’t be explained by science.

  • @Erik_Danley
    @Erik_Danley Рік тому +12

    Loved this. I really like Peter Robinson because I think he does a great job of representing us (the common viewer). The only slight frustration I have is numerous times he stops and interrupts the learned guests. Had he not done that, would this video be 5 hours long? Ha, maybe so but I’d wholeheartedly welcome it

  • @jmafoko
    @jmafoko Рік тому +3

    The last statement by the mathematician is the greatest argument against violence in the bible I ever heard

  • @juerbert1
    @juerbert1 Рік тому +9

    Stephen Meyer is a genius in explaining difficult things !

  • @jderr557
    @jderr557 Рік тому +50

    A really great conversation. Truly inspiring. Thank you.

  • @Gabrielzfire
    @Gabrielzfire Рік тому +3

    May we never forget that, although science has become a religion to so many, it is, in fact, a methodolgy. When science and the method are kept honest we will, ultimately, will uncover many truths.

  • @p0ln
    @p0ln Рік тому +18

    I am in awe of these three gentlemen, and outstanding interview skills,
    thank you all, I am further enlightened

  • @richardkmason4351
    @richardkmason4351 Рік тому +11

    A marvelous, informative, and highly entertaining discussion of significant issues and questions, with great detail and specific examples and hypotheses. Very well done.

  • @kalmar6789
    @kalmar6789 Рік тому +3

    I just love the way how behe chuckles in the whole interview.

  • @glamisgirl309
    @glamisgirl309 Рік тому +100

    Wonderful discussion! My hope is that discussion of this will be allowed in science programs at all universities. BTW…Many Watson and Crick references…please also reference Rosalind Franklin. Without her, Watson and Cricks further discoveries may never have been “discovered.”

  • @IndyRickHikes
    @IndyRickHikes Рік тому +16

    Confirmation of our humanity! So thirsty for this. 🙏

  • @alangarrett1181
    @alangarrett1181 Рік тому +20

    I could listen to these guys for hours and hours. Absolutely excellent discussion!

  • @fchrisb804
    @fchrisb804 Рік тому +36

    Thanks for sharing this very beautiful conversation and doing it in a way that laymen can understand. Thank you so much!

  • @mayetamayo7954
    @mayetamayo7954 Рік тому +18

    Beautiful and brilliant minds!
    Wonderful conversation!!!

  • @chrisneeds6125
    @chrisneeds6125 Рік тому +19

    Excellent. Even satan is ahead of secular science, he believes there is a Creator, and shudders...

  • @clubberlang186
    @clubberlang186 Рік тому +50

    Wonderfull conversation. Exceptionally insightfull and as usual Peter Robinson is excellent.

  • @doriswilson6718
    @doriswilson6718 Рік тому +19

    For a very good treatment of this topic you should read Why Evolution is True by Jerry Coyne.

  • @RogerOnTheRight
    @RogerOnTheRight Рік тому +16

    Finally, a reasonable and honest discussion of the core issues I find interesting. Great stuff!

  • @mgs_fan6758
    @mgs_fan6758 Рік тому +43

    I didn't hear of these (anti-evolutionary) arguments, so this was interesting to me. I suggest a future interview with expert(s) from the opposite side - that know a lot about the topic and know what they don't know (and don't suppose a Creator).
    Btw, one of the coolest things I saw in engineering was a lecture with a demonstration of evolutionary algorithm, so look it up if interested...

  • @hippiasminor6264
    @hippiasminor6264 Рік тому +10

    1:14:22. Lennox the badass. Makes me smile.

  • @murphy8449
    @murphy8449 Рік тому +22

    Just WOW!!! Thank you kindly gentlemen and may God bless...

  • @nickraven2820
    @nickraven2820 Рік тому +13

    Wow what a great discussion. Best hour and half I have spent in days.

  • @Ban_Helmers
    @Ban_Helmers Рік тому +50

    Excellent. Thanks so much for posting this video!

  • @narclem
    @narclem Рік тому +3

    It would be further enthralling if Hugh Ross was involved in the discussion.

  • @howielesley
    @howielesley Рік тому +41

    What a wonderful conversation.. Watching it for a third time. I heard about irreducible complexity in the early 2000's. At that time it was talking about eyes which had to be created with all its parts, working altogether, not being built bit by bit. 🙂

  • @TheLamboman640
    @TheLamboman640 Рік тому +51

    Incredible! Love these guys! We need more discussions like this

  • @jaybailleaux630
    @jaybailleaux630 Рік тому +10

    This is awesome. The meeting of 4 great minds.They know and expound on an intellectual level what I know by instinct or seat of the pants level . Thanks and may God Bless all of you.

  • @FinenDine
    @FinenDine Рік тому +10

    this episode is the final blow to my modern worldview

  • @jackmixa5459
    @jackmixa5459 Рік тому +22

    Dream interview! Thanks × ♾️!