Ta Joel ....and ,unbelievably for me....ta also to AIG and CMI for publishing these articles. I doubt they'll have any effect on the more committed conspiracy theorists out there, but hopefully may help prevent these viruses from spreading.
36:07 It's more than "the government". Tons of civilians companies are contracted because the missions have so many intricate parts. There's boosters, hardware, software, ground transport, manufacturers, etc. And they are just as proud to be apart of the final space missions. And I'm sure this is true for every other country's space agencies.
The irony is that Young Earth is a bigger "conspiracy" than the Moon landings and almost as big as Flat Earth. While I applaud AIG and CMI trying to inform their flock, they really oight to look at themselves when they talk about people bearing false witness. {:o:O:}
Admitting that you have been wrong comes very natural to scientists. It is a consequence of wanting to learn new things and getting closer to the truth. I think it is insecurity and the fear that all their knowledge and beliefs are going to crumble, which makes it difficult for people to change their mind. Then you have the follow-the-cult-leader effect, which we clearly see in American politics, and also in creationism.
I don’t think that admitting that you are wrong comes any more naturally to scientists than to anyone else. However, spending years being a student in which your homework and test responses are demonstrated to you to be wrong day after day after day trains you to be skeptical of your own conclusions.
@adamredwine774 I think it does - because of the nature of the scientific process itself - which is what anyone who ends up becoming a professional scientist has by that time had several years of education and training in. Meanwhile, in the fundamentalist/evangelical Christian culture, in regard to religious belief, they're taught the exact opposite, all the time - and even taught that the revisionary nature of the scientific process proves how science is inferior to their religious doctrines, which is exactly backwards since the revisionary nature of the scientific process is exactly what proves why it is fundamentally superior to religious dogma.
@@steveg1961 I can confirm what you are saying. My wife comes from a fairly fundamentalist Christian denomination (that happens when you fall in love). I was perplexed when for the first time she told me "you scientists know it all!". I told her that no, we scientists strive on NOT knowing. That makes science so exciting, learning new things, correcting ourselves all the time, and slowly getting closer to the truth. This relationship between science and religion is a big struggle for fundamental Christians. I have seen this first-hand.
@hansweichselbaum2534 I engage in discussions with young earth creationists a lot, and this argument - that their religious beliefs don't change and that this very thing makes their religious belief superior to science, because science changes all the time - is literally one of their standard arguments. Of course, since the argument is fundamentally wrong (and has it exactly backwards), is what makes it an example of numerous ironic arguments that young earth creationists use. By "ironic arguments," I mean arguments that they themselves advocate, and the fallacious nature of the arguments actually prove the false nature of the particular religious ideology that young earth creationism is built on.
Ironically, the advertisement that UA-cam is serving me below this video is for an “energy worker” who wants to sell me classes to learn about the ancient secrets of spiritual healing.
Energy worker can mean 2 things: someone who believes genuinely or otherwise(grift) that they can influence "spiritual energy", or someone on their 2-off from the rig looking to make money from a grift. I know it's a useless distinction but I think it's funny.
@adamredwine774 Be sure to pick up some of the important knowledge about different types of crystal energies for that course. In physics I learned about studying crystal lattices using magnetic resonance imaging, but that's a very different thing from the spiritual energies of crystals. 😉
If you tell people from young age to not trust science and blindly listen to your cleric , it is not a strange thing that conspiracy can easily be spread.
It's pretty much a slippery slope. When they reject evolution as a YEC they are going to have to reject a considerable amount of conventional science which primes one to entertain any number of conspiracies.
you need to define science. properly understood doubt is the VERY CORE of science, and science is NOT "what scientists do" and besides the slippery slope is one of the logical fallacies. did you not know this?
@@onceamusician5408 also slippery slope is only a fallacy when used improperly; if there is evidence to show a precedent, then it's valid. Did you not know this?
Lactantius was a very prominent Christian scholar, the author of the Divine Institutes and many other works and tutor to the emperor Constantine's son. He believed the earth was flat.
The interesting thing is that while most Young Earth Creationists are probably not flat-earthers, most flat-earthers are Young Earth Creationists. This is because most flat-earthers seem to see believing the Earth is young but round is falling to take the Bible litterally enough.
Couldn't say it better myself. It is sad to see this. I can understand how a person can fall for a conspiracy theory like Moon Landing Hoax or even Flat Earth, but I will never understand the intellectual dishonesty of denying overwhelming evidence that absolute destroys Moon Hoax, FE and YEC.
The Bible very clearly describes a flat Earth under an atmospheric dome. This is yet another reason to reject the heretical idea that Scripture should be read literally.
To be fair, taking flowery, poetic, descriptions of the world as literal is the problem. All the descriptors and references of the Earth as a celestial body are NOT given as facts, but are story aids to other points and intents.
@@johnrap7203 Yes and no. "Yes," as in if you could go back in time and inform both the various Hebrew and Greek text authors that, "hey, you know, the Earth is not flat!" they would probably shrug and either ignore your or rewrite the passage. "No," in that some, like the P Writer @katielewise6083 alludes to, are making a very specific statement about hierarchy in his view of how reality works. He is also basing it on an earlier psalm which is also based on the Egyptian "Hymn to the Sun." Still, if you told P that the Earth is round, it is not floating on a flat surface of water with a hard dome over it that prevents the water from above just covering it again . . . and . . . like . . . plants did not exist before the Sun, he may have also altered it. The thing is Creaky knows this. I suspect, because he is friends with another debunker who is a devote Christian, he is just listening to him and does not want to offend him. That one made a very bad video trying to debunk the passages, but he cannot read Greek nor Hebrew, could not cite the actual texts, and he thus got buried in his own commentary. His response to that should have been, "oh . . . okay . . . thanks! I learned something!" Instead, he had a tantrum over it. Critical thinking works both ways.
Genesis 1 also states explicitly that God created the sun, the moon, and the stars and placed them in the dome - but creationists don't believe that either.
When you step way back you might find a more empirical reason most step into these traps ... trepidation brings about change. Doubt and fear are both trepidations and God's laws of dynamics show things need to vibrate. In chemistry heat or the syntax Q stimulate these vibrations or changes
28:00: Practically no atmosphere, not no gravity. As much as people ask how the flag could look somewhat rumpled with no wind, people also ask how the astronauts could walk with no gravity. 1:01:00: Kosmas Indikopleustes, but I can't think of any others.
Divine? AS in divining rods? Those y shaped branches that point to where the water is? Spoiler alert, reason is what some folks have and use and some refuse to use. Reasoning is a developed skill and not a gift, and definitely not of divine origin.
You don't have to be a "creationist", nor do you have to go all the way to the moon to see that something is amuck. All that is necessary is some common sense, and to go to the original video, taken from inside the capsule, and ask yourself, if this is the whole earth that can be seen half way to the moon, why am I not able to make out a single continent, and secondly, those clouds seen on the earth are huge. Then, if you are lucky enough (see - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon) you will see that instead of what should have been the "whole earth" as seen half way to the moon, was instead an image of a section of the earth through a circular template, while still in earth's orbit. After learning that Apollo 11 never left earth's orbit, it doesn't take much to realize that everything else was just a Disney fabrication (yes, Disney was hired for the Apollo mission, as if he knew anything about space travel ).
When you step way back you might find a more empirical reason most step into these traps ... trepidation brings about change. Doubt and fear are both trepidations and God's laws of dynamics show things need to vibrate. In chemistry heat or the syntax Q stimulate these vibrations or changes
Apologies for the low volume. Tried different editing software and didn't realize the difference.
Carter & Sarfati's article was 2017, which was reposted in July. CMI does that a LOT.
Why write new content when people have already forgotten your old content?
Ta Joel ....and ,unbelievably for me....ta also to AIG and CMI for publishing these articles. I doubt they'll have any effect on the more committed conspiracy theorists out there, but hopefully may help prevent these viruses from spreading.
One Bad Method To Rule Them All
36:07 It's more than "the government". Tons of civilians companies are contracted because the missions have so many intricate parts. There's boosters, hardware, software, ground transport, manufacturers, etc. And they are just as proud to be apart of the final space missions. And I'm sure this is true for every other country's space agencies.
They don't want to use something like Q-Anon because that would be too controversial for their audience.
Or . . . you know . . . too stupid?
Ooph, harsh but true
A seller of lies is afraid their marks will believe more lies that come from the same source?
Heavens to Betsy. . . .
The irony is that Young Earth is a bigger "conspiracy" than the Moon landings and almost as big as Flat Earth.
While I applaud AIG and CMI trying to inform their flock, they really oight to look at themselves when they talk about people bearing false witness.
{:o:O:}
AIG doesn’t deserve to be praised
Admitting that you have been wrong comes very natural to scientists. It is a consequence of wanting to learn new things and getting closer to the truth. I think it is insecurity and the fear that all their knowledge and beliefs are going to crumble, which makes it difficult for people to change their mind. Then you have the follow-the-cult-leader effect, which we clearly see in American politics, and also in creationism.
I don’t think that admitting that you are wrong comes any more naturally to scientists than to anyone else. However, spending years being a student in which your homework and test responses are demonstrated to you to be wrong day after day after day trains you to be skeptical of your own conclusions.
@adamredwine774 I think it does - because of the nature of the scientific process itself - which is what anyone who ends up becoming a professional scientist has by that time had several years of education and training in.
Meanwhile, in the fundamentalist/evangelical Christian culture, in regard to religious belief, they're taught the exact opposite, all the time - and even taught that the revisionary nature of the scientific process proves how science is inferior to their religious doctrines, which is exactly backwards since the revisionary nature of the scientific process is exactly what proves why it is fundamentally superior to religious dogma.
@@steveg1961 I can confirm what you are saying.
My wife comes from a fairly fundamentalist Christian denomination (that happens when you fall in love). I was perplexed when for the first time she told me "you scientists know it all!". I told her that no, we scientists strive on NOT knowing. That makes science so exciting, learning new things, correcting ourselves all the time, and slowly getting closer to the truth. This relationship between science and religion is a big struggle for fundamental Christians. I have seen this first-hand.
@hansweichselbaum2534 I engage in discussions with young earth creationists a lot, and this argument - that their religious beliefs don't change and that this very thing makes their religious belief superior to science, because science changes all the time - is literally one of their standard arguments.
Of course, since the argument is fundamentally wrong (and has it exactly backwards), is what makes it an example of numerous ironic arguments that young earth creationists use. By "ironic arguments," I mean arguments that they themselves advocate, and the fallacious nature of the arguments actually prove the false nature of the particular religious ideology that young earth creationism is built on.
@@steveg1961 The Peer Review process is the most unscientific thing ever foisted upon science. Everyone is capable of doing science.
Ironically, the advertisement that UA-cam is serving me below this video is for an “energy worker” who wants to sell me classes to learn about the ancient secrets of spiritual healing.
Energy worker can mean 2 things: someone who believes genuinely or otherwise(grift) that they can influence "spiritual energy", or someone on their 2-off from the rig looking to make money from a grift. I know it's a useless distinction but I think it's funny.
@adamredwine774 Be sure to pick up some of the important knowledge about different types of crystal energies for that course.
In physics I learned about studying crystal lattices using magnetic resonance imaging, but that's a very different thing from the spiritual energies of crystals. 😉
Speaking of conspiracies, wasn't Ken Ham encouraging doubt about vaccines?
Ken Sham and other creationists spread lies about science and reject anything that contradicts their silly claims
Creationists get offended at Flat-Earth groups and fail to notice the irony
If you tell people from young age to not trust science and blindly listen to your cleric , it is not a strange thing that conspiracy can easily be spread.
I am surprised you give them a pass on the flat earth...
People who preach that the Sinner's Prayer is a magic spell to get into heaven are shocked their followers are attracted to gnosticism.
CMI's article is pretty good!
It's a slippery slope from doubting science (because of evolution) to doubting everything you're taught.
Pretty sad.
It's pretty much a slippery slope. When they reject evolution as a YEC they are going to have to reject a considerable amount of conventional science which primes one to entertain any number of conspiracies.
you need to define science. properly understood doubt is the VERY CORE of science, and science is NOT "what scientists do"
and besides the slippery slope is one of the logical fallacies.
did you not know this?
@@onceamusician5408 Science is not what scientists do? 🤨
@@onceamusician5408 also slippery slope is only a fallacy when used improperly; if there is evidence to show a precedent, then it's valid.
Did you not know this?
Lactantius was a very prominent Christian scholar, the author of the Divine Institutes and many other works and tutor to the emperor Constantine's son. He believed the earth was flat.
It's interesting that while there's quite a science lit on the cognitive mode and psychology of conspiracy thinking, Webb cited none of it.
Fantasy is always more interesting than reality. That’s why we like dinosaurs.
Dinosaurs are real
The interesting thing is that while most Young Earth Creationists are probably not flat-earthers, most flat-earthers are Young Earth Creationists. This is because most flat-earthers seem to see believing the Earth is young but round is falling to take the Bible litterally enough.
Exactly. Impossible to believe in a "round Earth" if you take ALL biblical references to its shape literally.
Couldn't say it better myself. It is sad to see this. I can understand how a person can fall for a conspiracy theory like Moon Landing Hoax or even Flat Earth, but I will never understand the intellectual dishonesty of denying overwhelming evidence that absolute destroys Moon Hoax, FE and YEC.
Tectonics can't work on a flat earth, so flerfs basically have to be yecs.
The Bible very clearly describes a flat Earth under an atmospheric dome. This is yet another reason to reject the heretical idea that Scripture should be read literally.
What I find interesting is some FLERF debunkers try to deny those passages exist since they do not want to alienate the religious.
To be fair, taking flowery, poetic, descriptions of the world as literal is the problem.
All the descriptors and references of the Earth as a celestial body are NOT given as facts, but are story aids to other points and intents.
@@johnrap7203 Yes and no.
"Yes," as in if you could go back in time and inform both the various Hebrew and Greek text authors that, "hey, you know, the Earth is not flat!" they would probably shrug and either ignore your or rewrite the passage.
"No," in that some, like the P Writer @katielewise6083 alludes to, are making a very specific statement about hierarchy in his view of how reality works. He is also basing it on an earlier psalm which is also based on the Egyptian "Hymn to the Sun." Still, if you told P that the Earth is round, it is not floating on a flat surface of water with a hard dome over it that prevents the water from above just covering it again . . . and . . . like . . . plants did not exist before the Sun, he may have also altered it.
The thing is Creaky knows this. I suspect, because he is friends with another debunker who is a devote Christian, he is just listening to him and does not want to offend him. That one made a very bad video trying to debunk the passages, but he cannot read Greek nor Hebrew, could not cite the actual texts, and he thus got buried in his own commentary. His response to that should have been, "oh . . . okay . . . thanks! I learned something!" Instead, he had a tantrum over it.
Critical thinking works both ways.
Genesis 1 also states explicitly that God created the sun, the moon, and the stars and placed them in the dome - but creationists don't believe that either.
@@steveg1961
A dome? That's crazy talk!
Not a Dr Kent Bovined told me it was an ice canopy.
When you step way back you might find a more empirical reason most step into these traps ... trepidation brings about change. Doubt and fear are both trepidations and God's laws of dynamics show things need to vibrate. In chemistry heat or the syntax Q stimulate these vibrations or changes
28:00: Practically no atmosphere, not no gravity. As much as people ask how the flag could look somewhat rumpled with no wind, people also ask how the astronauts could walk with no gravity.
1:01:00: Kosmas Indikopleustes, but I can't think of any others.
Did my comment get deleted?
Critical thinking is vital for the use of the divine gift of reason
Divine? AS in divining rods? Those y shaped branches that point to where the water is? Spoiler alert, reason is what some folks have and use and some refuse to use. Reasoning is a developed skill and not a gift, and definitely not of divine origin.
@@OceanusHelios no untrue but I am crafting an argument which would appeal to to some one with a theistic world view
You don't have to be a "creationist", nor do you have to go all the way to the moon to see that something is amuck. All that is necessary is some common sense, and to go to the original video, taken from inside the capsule, and ask yourself, if this is the whole earth that can be seen half way to the moon, why am I not able to make out a single continent, and secondly, those clouds seen on the earth are huge. Then, if you are lucky enough (see - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon) you will see that instead of what should have been the "whole earth" as seen half way to the moon, was instead an image of a section of the earth through a circular template, while still in earth's orbit. After learning that Apollo 11 never left earth's orbit, it doesn't take much to realize that everything else was just a Disney fabrication (yes, Disney was hired for the Apollo mission, as if he knew anything about space travel ).
It's called faith because it's believing in something without any evidence.
But they don’t just have no evidence, they have evidence to the contrary.
@@adamredwine774 Since Darwin published literally EVERY PIECE OF ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE HAS SUPPORTED THE THEORY AND NONE HAS CONTRADICTED IT.
@@wesstubbs3472 yes, exactly
Also known as wishful thinking and "I'm special in the universe" and therefore "the universe owes me" kind of thinking.
@@OceanusHelios There are a trillion galaxies, each containing a trillion stars. But I'm special, he has his eye on me.
When you step way back you might find a more empirical reason most step into these traps ... trepidation brings about change. Doubt and fear are both trepidations and God's laws of dynamics show things need to vibrate. In chemistry heat or the syntax Q stimulate these vibrations or changes