I was 7, we had a brand new XB stationwagon. Absolutely no similarity to the GT whatsoever except the front grille, but from this race onwards I was a Ford man.
This era of Bathurst was indeed by far the best, 60+ cars, different classes and types of cars, and of course pure racing, with none of the bullshit of today's racing which 90% of us can't stand. 100% actually.
They were truly gorgeous cars - but they were frightfully heavy and their suspension (quite frankly) harked all the way back to the mid 1960s. If Ford had their time again I reckon they would almost certainly have gone the smaller lighter A9X route with a 4.9 Cleveland in it. But the market here in Oz was simply too small to justify such a car.
Amazing what turns up on UA-cam! Not only was it great re-watching the '75 Bathurst (saw it when originally broadcast) but I've also found out what the title of the intro tune is after 45 years! That catchy but business-like tune was also used on a BHP ad at some time in the seventies or possibly early '80's. Now that the whole "Ford Vs Holden" thing is over I can appreciate what superb little cars those L34's were, and that's despite my being a one-eyed Ford fanatic all my life.
The L34 was distinguied by a great engine - indeed the engine was somehow allowed to be transplanted into the A9X even though none were ever sold for the street with the very rare L34 homologation engine. Now some may say that sounds a bit like sour grapes on my part - but realistically if the high compression L34 engine had NOT been allowed to race in the A9X, I'm sure Holden would have simply sold sufficient homologation numbers to make it happen.
Alan Moffat... He was more disliked than Darth Vader when I was a kid in a Holden loving family. what an absolute champion and fierce competitor he was.
Gentlemen all respects from the States. Moffit, Brock, Bond and the remaining outstanding drivers from this era have a reverence from our side of the pond. We (the states) would get race video condensed. A real treat for us. For a fellow gear head a pilgrimaged to N.S.W. And Bathurst is a priority bucket list. I doubt I will make it but to watch these races is almost as good. Well done.
He's in a respite home now after being diagnosed with dementia over 3 years ago. Worst part is his former partner organised him to leave her his assets before hand. Larry Perkins and Fred Gibson are looking after him and Larry has taken the fight to the Supreme Court.
FutureSystem Yep, it's not even Aussie cars anymore, just American crap that we have no loyalty to. The older races were great with so many different cars in different classes. A top day in front of the telly.
Poor old Moffat now 79 this year and in a home with Alzheimer's . Estranged wife and eldest son whining in court over his assets . Good ol Larry Perkins looking out for his mate though. Hard when family are planning life after the great Australian legend dies . Shame on them
Really sorry to hear this bad news. In the seventies Alan was the great hero to some and the great enemy to team red. Never met him but read his book and had enormous respect for him and the way he conducted his racing career.
The book certainly changed my opinion of Moffat. A total change. The guy put 100 percent of himself into his motor racing. I do remember in his book reading about the miserably small cheque he got from Ford after he had given them so much that year. I also remember the first time he drove the Mustang at Sandown one afternoon, with no crowd around. They had no ramps for the trailer & they used 2x1 planks . Moffat was angry but what I didn’t know was he had no money to buy ramps. I a schoolboy had no idea about his l financial situation. They damn near dropped the car off the ramps that day, the car had never raced in Australia at that time.
Will Hagon & Evan Green sounded so similar. Extremely similar. This was the last Bathurst 1000 Will Hagon commentated for Channel 7. After spending 1976 commentating in England, he returned to Australia in 1977, & joined the ABC commentating on Motor Sport races for them for a very long time.
Alas, by 1975 the Cleveland 351 had been discontinued in the USA and it was very much an orphan child belonging uniquely to Australia. A famous engine in every possible way.
11:41-12:04 The camera behind that long haired dude I see is a Sony AVC-3400 B&W video camera which connects to a portable Sony AV-3400 1/2 inch B&W EIAJ format reel-reel videotape recorder. So somewhere out there are some B&W reel-reel videotape recordings of this race if they have survived, would be interesting if they somehow surface!
I know this has probably been said a million times in the comments but this era was awesome. Good close racing in cars that were recognisable as ones you drove yourself. A multitude of classes which kept you cheering on "your car" in each class. Slower cars that the fast cars had to negotiate while watching some of those "slow" cars match or better the big boys across the top of the mountain due to light weight. Today's Supercars are only a shadow of the excitement and if you don't like Holden or Ford then you're pretty f*cked. The drivers were real characters too, like Grice, Moffat, Longhurst, Brock, Tricky Dickie and Bond who was a rally exponent. Ahhh, heady days!
So cool how in the pit lane close ups you can see they really were just tough street cars, the Toranas with drum brakes and Moffats falcon even had the stock steering wheel on it!
I was there in 1975 on the mountain with all the others going crazy. This WAS Bathurst without the kink at the end of Conrod when men where men & braking was diabolical. The escape road to Bathurst saw plenty of action.
We were there too! That's when it was 'great' racing...yeah I know there were team orders etc, have to admit I don't even watch Supercars any longer due to all the BS involved. Really miss the 'old times'.
So many things to see in this race. The lack of sand traps and barriers around Bathurst. The weight of the drivers (were big chunky men 🤣😂) The pit times took as long as today's races take haha. How many cars were in the field at the start. It was like Sydney peak hour. The amount of flared jeans haha
david husband : Ford weren’t involved at all - especially by 1981 when the Mazda came along . Ford pulled out of motorsport because Cams would not allow Ford to homologate stuff that Holden we’re allowed : example : Ford were refused to change sump like Holden did . It was endless.
H HOUR HOTEL - L34 had Roller Rockers . Ford and John Goss tried to homologate a Bathurst special at the start of 1975 - it was so high spec that Cams never replied and delayed so long it was too late to build in time . Check out John Goss super spec online it would have been amazing- so good it would have changed history.
H HOUR HOTEL use. this is from the Bathurst history journal: See 3rd line ROLLER ROCKERS... The L34 engine block was a special Repco casting fitted with special pistons, roller rockers, larger inlet and exhaust valves, exhaust headers, baffled sump, twin-point distributor and other items aimed at making the engine more durable under race conditions. The L34s brakes were
The Torana L34 had the same size brakes as the large GT fords. Larger than any previous Bathurst Holden. So, to say the L34 brakes were an issue shows a lack of knowledge. They were an advantage..
How interesting is this! Reminds me of watching this race every year as a kid and sad about what a boring event it is now. If Le Mans can run several different classes of cars and huge speed differentials what is wrong with the clowns running the sport now. Every V8 supercar looks exactly like every other car. Its just boring....
agree on the cars looking the same part, but I don't think Mount Panorama is the kind of track you want high speed differential classes on, seen how narrow it is on most places
My understanding is that the chassis/frame is the same and the plastic covering the "car" just makes it a holden or ford. That's why I stopped watching the v8 crappy cars years ago. Sure thing, group A had a few flaws but this vanilla formula has absolutely no appeal at all.
The Bathurst 12 Hour (in my opinion) is the spritual inheritor of what this race was back in the day. But the bottom line is Australia doesn't have a car industry anymore so the era we're watching in this video is long gone sadly.
Car racing porn, full stop. Stock production, all classes (my first car was an escort lol), and drivers just balls to the wall with an unadulterated conrod straight. The GT’s and Toranas were just pure muscle.
U obviously don't know what your talking about Moffat said he was gonna lobby to change the parts from production to what we have today robot just because his ford fell to peaces
Moffit had a point during his interview. Stock as much as possible is fine. But if one of the main drivers (Brock, Grice or Moffit himself) had been hurt, or worse killed, by his issue. How would they justify not allowing the teams to modify the steering or braking systems?
If that had followed on to the showroom then by all means, it was the desire to keep the race car and the showroom car as even as possible. Well we have all those mods now and the sport is boring for it, not the car you can buy in the dealership anymore, just something only racers can drive.
Moffat was a whinger. It was his choice to drive a land barge in the race. If he didn't want to have issues with steering then perhaps he should have entered a lighter car like the Torana. The guy was always complaining about something.
@@DodgyBrothersEngineering My first car was an LJ when I was really young, then I went on to Triumphs. My father's XD developed a steering squeak and asked me to look at it (I'm not a trained mechanic), and I wondered what the hell I was looking at. It seemed primitive. It was the idler. As you say, nobody forced AM to drive those wallowing Falcons, but you weren't going to buy a Torana as a family car instead, either, and Ford didn't up their game for years.
@@twentyrothmans7308 nothing stopped him racing a four door sedan that was lighter, but he wanted the rigidity of the two door. He was the sort of bloke that wanted it all. The Ford was clearly a far more powerful engine during that era, and unfortunately it only came in that heavier package. So you opted for the lighter less powerful Torana or you dealt with the heavier Falcon. BTW all Ford squeaked in the 70's. I don't think there was a single model made during the 70's that didn't squeak like crazy, it was a Ford feature.
Ford got the nervous nellies for 1975. The SLR5000 was quick. Nick Polites at City Ford opens the checkbook. The minilites on the Moffat Ford go onto the TransAm Mustang for 1976.
John Goss in 1975 went to Ford with a homologation plan and strangely Ford excepted . Ford went to Cams who refused to give them a build number or any other details and stalled for months so it could not be made in time . The specs and changes are online numerous performance and endurance upgrades that frightened Cams .
Before the chase, before the pit lane wall, before the bitumen on the skyline run-off, still with the Armco hard barrier on the exit to Hell Corner, cigarette advertising, unfenced crowds, great unique cars, time wardens with clipboards... This has been stolen from us and replaced with the homogeneous single class rubbish that is V8 Supercars.
They should never have allowed any modifications outside the factory. Not even wider tyres. Better speed isnt better viewing. If a component couldn't last the race , nurse it around till factory improved.
I couldn't agree more. This was supposed to be a "production car" race. Moffat sooking about breaking sway bars and stuff. Go and race a sports sedan instead.
Very disappointing to see the great man Alan Moffat finishing his days with Alzheimer’s and members of his family fighting over the assets before the guy even passes. Young James Moffat is doing the right thing by his dad by all accounts
Came here to watch this after seeing the highlights of the 2022 race......dull, dull, jelly molds , graffiti strewn, identical looking cars. sigh. Just love the XB Falcon style.
These guys drive real cars and had no cool suits or dry ice. Nowadays they get out of their cars sweating and carrying on. I’d love to see them with no cooling shit. These guys could drive the whole race alone if they wanted. I heard a great story about one guy smoking 😂 those were the days. I was 6 years old and I can remember watching the Bathurst races every year. Kids today don’t even know it’s on. You really have to look at how tough these guys were. Like I said no cool suits no training like today. Most of not all had day jobs and weren’t rich. They loved the sport and everyone could get involved. Great times that sadly we will never see again. The PC police have ruined the world along with the internet 😔 Edit: I just saw them using a jack to change a tyre an actual hand cranked car jack 😆 bloody legend’s. The rich teams used a blow up jack shit. 😂
Ive had times where l liked fords and holdens. Moffat was correct in 1975 in that certain key areas of vehicle suspention, braking ect should have been upgraded at the factory to satisfy the demands of racing. The series did so much to development in ordinary every day motoring, what a pity penny pinching automotive manufacturers were so apprehensive to spend a couple of bucks here and there to improve some basic areas of these cars for a safer and more reliable racing car. They were the most memorable years of motor racing. Sad to see the end of holden and the commodore, sad to see the end of the falcon. The new socalled commodore replacement in my opinion looks crap and is not deserving of the holden commodore badge.
You are absolutely right about the new " so called Commodore." Front wheel drive, 4cyl, and they are hatchbacks! Nothing like a Commodore and should never have been badged as one.
one constant in all car racing, any thing that goes wrong in never the drivers fault. they will always find some excuse to point the finger at anyone or anything but themselves.
Fixit, interesting question. Might have been because the Kingswood was a runaway leader in car sales at the time so the effort was to get the smaller range moving out of the showrooms. The Torana had good sales competition from other manufacturers. Otherwise there's no reason to have not run 350 Monaro's, would have been awesome heavyweight battles and I think we missed out badly there.
these where the years of best sedan racing in australia. never missed a round or bathurst even in black and white. the current v8s are so boring that last year i never watched a round of the championship or even bathurst. this year the same, bring back group c ,supercars is boring.
I get it now. Fords are like our Nascar stockers and Holdens are like our Trans-Am cars(back in the day. I'm strictly talking size of vehicles). What were the holdens like 500kgs lighter without all that sheet metal of the bigger Falcons. Why did Ford use such a large car. Didn't they make a small car like holden that they couldv'e dropped a V-8 in?
The Fords and Holdens were in the same class for this race. There were other classes taking part at the same time. Holden had a larger family sedan, but of course chose to race the Torana with a 308 in it rather than the larger car. Ford raced the Falcon because their smaller car didn’t have a v8 in it. They were able to modify race cars, but they had to be based on a homologised production car. Even with the size of the Falcon the 351 would wheelspin even in top gear. It was great to watch!! The Falcon was sort of a mustang inspired front and a Grand Torino inspired rear.
@@svenomick5857 My mad brother put a xfow 6 in an Cortina and it was dangerous. Up hills if u gave it throttle it would break loose. (He kept the 4 cyl bonnet and badges on it too)
Sveno Mick you could buy Cortinas with the 4.1 six, but I did see some 302 conversion that people had done. They were just dangerous to drive as they would spin up at the slightest touch of the foot.
John Goss had a high HP spec car approved by Ford who presented it to Cams and Cams refused to reply on the build number for homologation until it was too late for Ford to build what was a endurance special with rocker arms and a list of goodies that not even the Cobra option 97 had 3 years later . Ford did make a John Goss special but was a 4.9 V8 (302) that had a green hood and green paint .lol My uncle was at Cams and when they seen the specs of the car in February 1975 , he said the cams hierarchy shit themselves & ignored the problem.
Such beautiful looking cars back then not like noe especially those fucking terrible looking 888 racing back then didn't care ford or holden gorgeous looking cars
@@hanajinks1044 thanks for that. i did find out his name after watching another old Bathurst film. He was a privateer who did it for fun really. much more interesting races in those days, i think. thx again.
When Bathurst was exciting ... now too many rules, excessive use of pace cars now cars running same diffs gearboes ,brakes tyres etc boring. My option .. Dibbo
Tom Jakovac ; the upgrades that Moffat mentioned were approved for the December 1977 pre cobras and 1978 Cobras ( option97 ) all endurance / reliability upgrades only .
Great footage of a golden era in motor racing, no politics, no bulls##t, great opening title music too. You’ve gotta love the 1970s.
So, you obviously didn't watch the video, because there was BOTH politics and bullshit...
Normal times before corrupt govts sold us out.
I was 7, we had a brand new XB stationwagon. Absolutely no similarity to the GT whatsoever except the front grille, but from this race onwards I was a Ford man.
Moffat a true pro even when things gone to mud
This era of Bathurst was by far the best, 60 cars, different classes of car, pure racing with none of the bullshit of todays racing
Yeah its so shit today having drivers not die every other day.
drop Bear: Yes it was
Very well said when drivers are where drivers when cars where strong and very well put together, out of steel, not plastic and electric
Indeed.
This era of Bathurst was indeed by far the best, 60+ cars, different classes and types of cars, and of course pure racing, with none of the bullshit of today's racing which 90% of us can't stand. 100% actually.
Race on Sunday, in the showroom on Monday, a great era in Aussie motor sport. RIP Brockie and my best wishes to Allan Moffat.
Good job, I was born on the day of the Bathurst 1000 in 1975, it’s like I fell in love with motorsports since the day I was born.
The Ford Coups looked awesome
They were truly gorgeous cars - but they were frightfully heavy and their suspension (quite frankly) harked all the way back to the mid 1960s. If Ford had their time again I reckon they would almost certainly have gone the smaller lighter A9X route with a 4.9 Cleveland in it. But the market here in Oz was simply too small to justify such a car.
The XBGT was is awesome car ❤
@@ivanjulian2532 bullshit 😂
@@jonnobarrie1744 I disagree
Thank you very much. I remember exactly what I was doing that day.
Amazing what turns up on UA-cam! Not only was it great re-watching the '75 Bathurst (saw it when originally broadcast) but I've also found out what the title of the intro tune is after 45 years! That catchy but business-like tune was also used on a BHP ad at some time in the seventies or possibly early '80's. Now that the whole "Ford Vs Holden" thing is over I can appreciate what superb little cars those L34's were, and that's despite my being a one-eyed Ford fanatic all my life.
The L34 was distinguied by a great engine - indeed the engine was somehow allowed to be transplanted into the A9X even though none were ever sold for the street with the very rare L34 homologation engine. Now some may say that sounds a bit like sour grapes on my part - but realistically if the high compression L34 engine had NOT been allowed to race in the A9X, I'm sure Holden would have simply sold sufficient homologation numbers to make it happen.
Alan Moffat... He was more disliked than Darth Vader when I was a kid in a Holden loving family. what an absolute champion and fierce competitor he was.
Insert name here Well said!
But in person a top bloke..just full on to win.
Gentlemen all respects from the States. Moffit, Brock, Bond and the remaining outstanding drivers from this era have a reverence from our side of the pond. We (the states) would get race video condensed. A real treat for us. For a fellow gear head a pilgrimaged to N.S.W. And Bathurst is a priority bucket list. I doubt I will make it but to watch these races is almost as good. Well done.
And by all accounts a pretty nice guy ....
He's in a respite home now after being diagnosed with dementia over 3 years ago. Worst part is his former partner organised him to leave her his assets before hand. Larry Perkins and Fred Gibson are looking after him and Larry has taken the fight to the Supreme Court.
I was there! It was a real race in those days. Now- it’s as boring as can be, just a series of sprints between safety cars.
FutureSystem Yep, it's not even Aussie cars anymore, just American crap that we have no loyalty to. The older races were great with so many different cars in different classes. A top day in front of the telly.
We were there too and totally agree it's not worth watching now.
At least back than you could tell the difference between Holden and ford and other cars 👍👀
And no Mark Skaife ruining everything with his GM bias BS
Poor old Moffat now 79 this year and in a home with Alzheimer's . Estranged wife and eldest son whining in court over his assets . Good ol Larry Perkins looking out for his mate though. Hard when family are planning life after the great Australian legend dies . Shame on them
Really sorry to hear this bad news. In the seventies Alan was the great hero to some and the great enemy to team red. Never met him but read his book and had enormous respect for him and the way he conducted his racing career.
Money certainly can bring out the worst of some people. Sad to hear 😢
The book certainly changed my opinion of Moffat. A total change. The guy put 100 percent of himself into his motor racing.
I do remember in his book reading about the miserably small cheque he got from Ford after he had given them so much that year.
I also remember the first time he drove the Mustang at Sandown one afternoon, with no crowd around. They had no ramps for the trailer & they used 2x1 planks . Moffat was angry but what I didn’t know was he had no money to buy ramps. I a schoolboy had no idea about his l financial situation. They damn near dropped the car off the ramps that day, the car had never raced in Australia at that time.
This was racing back in the day. Supercars now, 25 or something cars over 1000ks. Boring, I just don’t bother. Excitements gone
Disgusting
Will Hagon & Evan Green sounded so similar. Extremely similar. This was the last Bathurst 1000 Will Hagon commentated for Channel 7. After spending 1976 commentating in England, he returned to Australia in 1977, & joined the ABC commentating on Motor Sport races for them for a very long time.
Essentially swapping places with Mike Raymond, who was doing ABC’s Motorsport commentary during that period, before moving to Seven in 1977.
How good does the Clevo sound climbing up the mountain!!! beautiful noise!!
Alas, by 1975 the Cleveland 351 had been discontinued in the USA and it was very much an orphan child belonging uniquely to Australia. A famous engine in every possible way.
Loved Moffat's comment. "You don't run a F1-11 with a Spitfire motor do you!".
11:41-12:04 The camera behind that long haired dude I see is a Sony AVC-3400 B&W video camera which connects to a portable Sony AV-3400 1/2 inch B&W EIAJ format reel-reel videotape recorder. So somewhere out there are some B&W reel-reel videotape recordings of this race if they have survived, would be interesting if they somehow surface!
loved the 70's in Australia
aaaah... memories of the days when racing was pure
RIP Evan Green (1930-1996).
He was my favourite commentator & journalist. Borrow a copy of his book "Journeys With Gelignite Jack" (1966).
I was upon the hill watching this particular race..
Mighty-yt cool!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I know this has probably been said a million times in the comments but this era was awesome. Good close racing in cars that were recognisable as ones you drove yourself. A multitude of classes which kept you cheering on "your car" in each class. Slower cars that the fast cars had to negotiate while watching some of those "slow" cars match or better the big boys across the top of the mountain due to light weight. Today's Supercars are only a shadow of the excitement and if you don't like Holden or Ford then you're pretty f*cked. The drivers were real characters too, like Grice, Moffat, Longhurst, Brock, Tricky Dickie and Bond who was a rally exponent. Ahhh, heady days!
So cool how in the pit lane close ups you can see they really were just tough street cars, the Toranas with drum brakes and Moffats falcon even had the stock steering wheel on it!
You can't bet classic old school race 🏎 ❤📺💯🇦🇺
Such a shame that the whole master tape no longer exists... Damn ATN 7! If only VHS existed just one year earlier...
I was there in 1975 on the mountain with all the others going crazy. This WAS Bathurst without the kink at the end of Conrod when men where men & braking was diabolical. The escape road to Bathurst saw plenty of action.
We were there too! That's when it was 'great' racing...yeah I know there were team orders etc, have to admit I don't even watch Supercars any longer due to all the BS involved. Really miss the 'old times'.
please bring back these days was all about racing not anything else
So many things to see in this race.
The lack of sand traps and barriers around Bathurst.
The weight of the drivers (were big chunky men 🤣😂)
The pit times took as long as today's races take haha.
How many cars were in the field at the start. It was like Sydney peak hour.
The amount of flared jeans haha
And all the funky hats,
Ford vs Holden, Moffat vs Brock, the great years of racing in Oz. Too many rules and accountants now.
pffft. they all would have been slaughtered by moffats mazda if holden ford and cams didnt play dirty.
From memory there was only 3 Falcons in the race .
david husband : Ford weren’t involved at all - especially by 1981 when the Mazda came along . Ford pulled out of motorsport because Cams would not allow Ford to homologate stuff that Holden we’re allowed : example : Ford were refused to change sump like Holden did . It was endless.
H HOUR HOTEL - L34 had Roller Rockers . Ford and John Goss tried to homologate a Bathurst special at the start of 1975 - it was so high spec that Cams never replied and delayed so long it was too late to build in time . Check out John Goss super spec online it would have been amazing- so good it would have changed history.
H HOUR HOTEL use. this is from the Bathurst history journal:
See 3rd line ROLLER ROCKERS...
The L34 engine block was a special Repco casting fitted with special pistons, roller rockers, larger inlet and exhaust valves, exhaust headers, baffled sump, twin-point distributor and other items aimed at making the engine more durable under race conditions. The L34s brakes were
The good old days of Ozzie car racing
Much better than NASCAR.
Agreed!
Bathurst should never ever stopped being a production car race .
Those were the days...
Great tv coverage for the day, my cousin was driving with Seaton,I was there just sayin'
The music used at the intro is "Time Trial" by Mick Vickers of KPM Music.
Peter O'Shea I’m guessing you work in tv or radio 👍👍
The Torana L34 had the same size brakes as the large GT fords. Larger than any previous Bathurst Holden. So, to say the L34 brakes were an issue shows a lack of knowledge. They were an advantage..
How interesting is this! Reminds me of watching this race every year as a kid and sad about what a boring event it is now. If Le Mans can run several different classes of cars and huge speed differentials what is wrong with the clowns running the sport now. Every V8 supercar looks exactly like every other car. Its just boring....
agree 100%
agree on the cars looking the same part, but I don't think Mount Panorama is the kind of track you want high speed differential classes on, seen how narrow it is on most places
My understanding is that the chassis/frame is the same and the plastic covering the "car" just makes it a holden or ford. That's why I stopped watching the v8 crappy cars years ago. Sure thing, group A had a few flaws but this vanilla formula has absolutely no appeal at all.
I don't think V8 SuperCars are bad though, like there's enough hard racing for me to make up for driving a spec car
The Bathurst 12 Hour (in my opinion) is the spritual inheritor of what this race was back in the day. But the bottom line is Australia doesn't have a car industry anymore so the era we're watching in this video is long gone sadly.
Moffat's codriver was a big chap!
The BROCKSTER Could Drive Alright..
Car racing porn, full stop. Stock production, all classes (my first car was an escort lol), and drivers just balls to the wall with an unadulterated conrod straight. The GT’s and Toranas were just pure muscle.
12:30 colin Bond apparently likes ' dirt roads ' but thats not the reason he's going up there....!
Man that would have been scary with Drum brakes back, and not even H harness just normal set belts ?.
With hindsight, the refuelling procedures back then were frightfully dangerous.
Real cars real driver who new how to drive a car wish it was like this again v8s are so boring now moffet new what he was talking about
U obviously don't know what your talking about Moffat said he was gonna lobby to change the parts from production to what we have today robot just because his ford fell to peaces
Australian pride on display fast Forward 2020 there is not a whole lot .
Moffit had a point during his interview. Stock as much as possible is fine. But if one of the main drivers (Brock, Grice or Moffit himself) had been hurt, or worse killed, by his issue.
How would they justify not allowing the teams to modify the steering or braking systems?
If that had followed on to the showroom then by all means, it was the desire to keep the race car and the showroom car as even as possible. Well we have all those mods now and the sport is boring for it, not the car you can buy in the dealership anymore, just something only racers can drive.
Moffat was a whinger. It was his choice to drive a land barge in the race. If he didn't want to have issues with steering then perhaps he should have entered a lighter car like the Torana. The guy was always complaining about something.
@@DodgyBrothersEngineering My first car was an LJ when I was really young, then I went on to Triumphs. My father's XD developed a steering squeak and asked me to look at it (I'm not a trained mechanic), and I wondered what the hell I was looking at. It seemed primitive. It was the idler.
As you say, nobody forced AM to drive those wallowing Falcons, but you weren't going to buy a Torana as a family car instead, either, and Ford didn't up their game for years.
@@twentyrothmans7308 nothing stopped him racing a four door sedan that was lighter, but he wanted the rigidity of the two door. He was the sort of bloke that wanted it all. The Ford was clearly a far more powerful engine during that era, and unfortunately it only came in that heavier package. So you opted for the lighter less powerful Torana or you dealt with the heavier Falcon. BTW all Ford squeaked in the 70's. I don't think there was a single model made during the 70's that didn't squeak like crazy, it was a Ford feature.
@@DodgyBrothersEngineering Thanks - you awakened memories of the XA and the XB, which my mind had closed off 🙂
no more holdeen no more ford, no more bathurst, it's like the end times for me
Yeah, & Soon no more Real Aussies with the amount of Unnecessary Immigration! 😉👍🍻
No walls those days !!
Ford got the nervous nellies for 1975. The SLR5000 was quick. Nick Polites at City Ford opens the checkbook. The minilites on the Moffat Ford go onto the TransAm Mustang for 1976.
A9X wasn't till 1977. These were LH L34 SLR500 Toranas.
Correct. Sorry
John Goss in 1975 went to Ford with a homologation plan and strangely Ford excepted . Ford went to Cams who refused to give them a build number or any other details and stalled for months so it could not be made in time . The specs and changes are online numerous performance and endurance upgrades that frightened Cams .
Before the chase, before the pit lane wall, before the bitumen on the skyline run-off, still with the Armco hard barrier on the exit to Hell Corner, cigarette advertising, unfenced crowds, great unique cars, time wardens with clipboards... This has been stolen from us and replaced with the homogeneous single class rubbish that is V8 Supercars.
They should never have allowed any modifications outside the factory. Not even wider tyres. Better speed isnt better viewing. If a component couldn't last the race , nurse it around till factory improved.
I couldn't agree more. This was supposed to be a "production car" race. Moffat sooking about breaking sway bars and stuff. Go and race a sports sedan instead.
@H HOUR HOTEL thanks for your valuable insight
@@Detroit8V92tta point but like he was saying they permitted bigger wheels and wide tyers
wish bathurst was still race on sunday drive on monday event
rip Brokie
About $10000,000000 worth of cars there now.
little did allan know where those comments would lead to..
Is as above as old i am online 💯🇦🇺📺
Halcyon days...
Very disappointing to see the great man Alan Moffat finishing his days with Alzheimer’s and members of his family fighting over the assets before the guy even passes. Young James Moffat is doing the right thing by his dad by all accounts
Came here to watch this after seeing the highlights of the 2022 race......dull, dull, jelly molds , graffiti strewn, identical looking cars. sigh.
Just love the XB Falcon style.
5.40 SO 22 YEARS AFTER JAGUAR WON LE MANS WITH DISC BRAKES FOR THE 1ST TIME THEY STILL DID NOT HAVE DISCK BRAKES ONLY DRUMS WTF
May you please do 1976 atcc hardie ferodo 1000 please
Mark Skaife and V8SuperCrap need to watch this and learn how to run a real race
frank gardner claimed they won this race
These guys drive real cars and had no cool suits or dry ice. Nowadays they get out of their cars sweating and carrying on. I’d love to see them with no cooling shit. These guys could drive the whole race alone if they wanted. I heard a great story about one guy smoking 😂 those were the days. I was 6 years old and I can remember watching the Bathurst races every year. Kids today don’t even know it’s on. You really have to look at how tough these guys were. Like I said no cool suits no training like today. Most of not all had day jobs and weren’t rich. They loved the sport and everyone could get involved. Great times that sadly we will never see again. The PC police have ruined the world along with the internet 😔
Edit: I just saw them using a jack to change a tyre an actual hand cranked car jack 😆 bloody legend’s. The rich teams used a blow up jack shit. 😂
couldn't say it better myself. and I was 10 years exactly off being born lol.
Oh gee, how macho. Sounding like a friggin 12 year old going on about the wrestling.
Ive had times where l liked fords and holdens. Moffat was correct in 1975 in that certain key areas of vehicle suspention, braking ect should have been upgraded at the factory to satisfy the demands of racing. The series did so much to development in ordinary every day motoring, what a pity penny pinching automotive manufacturers were so apprehensive to spend a couple of bucks here and there to improve some basic areas of these cars for a safer and more reliable racing car. They were the most memorable years of motor racing. Sad to see the end of holden and the commodore, sad to see the end of the falcon. The new socalled commodore replacement in my opinion looks crap and is not deserving of the holden commodore badge.
You are absolutely right about the new " so called Commodore." Front wheel drive, 4cyl, and they are hatchbacks! Nothing like a Commodore and should never have been badged as one.
Grice being knocked off by some galoot
Gricey was the mad man of the race track.
He most likely learned after that not to dive between two cars in an endurance race.
one constant in all car racing, any thing that goes wrong in never the drivers fault. they will always find some excuse to point the finger at anyone or anything but themselves.
Niiice coupe
The car Allan Moffat drove in this race was destroyed the following year.
Yeah it was the Brut 33 car from 1974!
Wonder why Holden never raced the the Kingswood instead...
+Luke Baxter The HJ dropped the 350 motor as used in previous Monaro's and the Torana using the same 5.0L 308 CI motor was lighter and faster.
+Luke Baxter why would they ?
Fixit, interesting question. Might have been because the Kingswood was a runaway leader in car sales at the time so the effort was to get the smaller range moving out of the showrooms. The Torana had good sales competition from other manufacturers.
Otherwise there's no reason to have not run 350 Monaro's, would have been awesome heavyweight battles and I think we missed out badly there.
fixit 88
Cause Ted Bullpit wouldn't let them. "The Kingswood"!? You're not taking the Kingswood!!!!
"I just polished the tow ball" The Kingswood weighed a lot more than the Torana and the Torana could sneak through gaps that the Falcon couldn't.
these where the years of best sedan racing in australia. never missed a round or bathurst even in black and white. the current v8s are so boring that last year i never watched a round of the championship or even bathurst. this year the same, bring back group c ,supercars is boring.
Same here
Agreed.
Lol love listening to Moff telling us how shit his stock ford parts are :)
Holy shit, there’s like 400 cars
I get it now. Fords are like our Nascar stockers and Holdens are like our Trans-Am cars(back in the day. I'm strictly talking size of vehicles). What were the holdens like 500kgs lighter without all that sheet metal of the bigger Falcons. Why did Ford use such a large car. Didn't they make a small car like holden that they couldv'e dropped a V-8 in?
The Fords and Holdens were in the same class for this race. There were other classes taking part at the same time. Holden had a larger family sedan, but of course chose to race the Torana with a 308 in it rather than the larger car. Ford raced the Falcon because their smaller car didn’t have a v8 in it. They were able to modify race cars, but they had to be based on a homologised production car. Even with the size of the Falcon the 351 would wheelspin even in top gear. It was great to watch!! The Falcon was sort of a mustang inspired front and a Grand Torino inspired rear.
Deano yes, and I reckon the XC looked tuff rather than the XA and XB look.
They talked of 351 powered Cortina's but they were wanting to sell Falcon Coupes and they did look great.
@@svenomick5857 My mad brother put a xfow 6 in an Cortina and it was dangerous. Up hills if u gave it throttle it would break loose. (He kept the 4 cyl bonnet and badges on it too)
Sveno Mick you could buy Cortinas with the 4.1 six, but I did see some 302 conversion that people had done. They were just dangerous to drive as they would spin up at the slightest touch of the foot.
V8 Supercars killed the great race bring back production touring cars who really wants to watch yank tanks go around.
kingofbee'sme sad but true, unfortunately...
Not many Ford coupes. No Ford support, and small oil sumps that cause oil surge and 351 Cleveland blow ups. (So i watched on DVD recently)
When privateers raced.
John Goss had a high HP spec car approved by Ford who presented it to Cams and Cams refused to reply on the build number for homologation until it was too late for Ford to build what was a endurance special with rocker arms and a list of goodies that not even the Cobra option 97 had 3 years later .
Ford did make a John Goss special but was a 4.9 V8 (302) that had a green hood and green paint .lol
My uncle was at Cams and when they seen the specs of the car in February 1975 , he said the cams hierarchy shit themselves & ignored the problem.
DRUM BRAKES FOR FUCKS SAKE
It's not often you get to see the race director roll something...
Safety car dispatch for a rolled race control please...
gosportjamie True. Until I saw this, I didn’t even know he was a driver, prior to becoming lead race director.
I could sit here all day watching the races of a bygone era. Not so much for today's Bathurst races which are just so generic and sterile.
Such beautiful looking cars back then not like noe especially those fucking terrible looking 888 racing back then didn't care ford or holden gorgeous looking cars
Make conrod straight again, and stop driving v8’s, much prefer watching bog stock family 7 seater SUV’s, make it relatable again.
Moffet the biggist Muppet on the road if he wasn't in front
who was the rich millionaire who raced for fun. he lived permantly in Melbourne hotel I think. retired Captain or something.?
Peter Janson.
@@hanajinks1044 thanks for that. i did find out his name after watching another old Bathurst film. He was a privateer who did it for fun really. much more interesting races in those days, i think. thx again.
Those big Ford 350’s were so tough .
I hope nobody bought a car from Ron Hodgson in those days
lol. i worked at the lidcombe auctions when we liquidated his personal cars and yard stock in 88.
I much prefer the look of the 240Z that was in the race.
When Bathurst was exciting ... now too many rules, excessive use of pace cars now cars running same diffs gearboes ,brakes tyres etc boring. My option .. Dibbo
so what was the Transmision problems ????, its when ford dropped the toploader and used the useless single rail, shit box..
Back when men were men and cars were cars. None of this gay EV shit.
Wingin Moffat! Always was wingin!
Moffats cry just says Fords were shit :)
Holden still running rear drums by 75. What a joke.
I think you will find that every car on the track that year was running drum brakes on the back.
Burnie Zarsoff : Falcons has rear discs from 73.
Nothing but a sad clown show now.
Typical Moffat, cry baby, it was what it was, it developed, except Moffat, he still is complaining and winging!
Tom Jakovac ; the upgrades that Moffat mentioned were approved for the December 1977 pre cobras and 1978 Cobras ( option97 ) all endurance / reliability upgrades only .
Flying barges
Peter brockvwas the biggest cheat to ever be in this race. Shit my car blew up no matter i will take yours.
This was a time when Bathurst was worth watching. Stopped watching when it became the amorphic "supercars"
More racing driver royalty then you can poke a stick at I couldn't tell you a single race car driver in 2023🥱 cheers Stephen 🤠✌️🦘🐨🐴