What?!? I never knew this existed! I'm from the UK and I am so sick of Motorsport in Europe. Even our touring cars are way too different from their road counterparts. This is incredible, upgraded road cars of all different types! I think I've just found many hours of interesting racing...
I was just about to write a similar comment myself. Such an interesting mixture of cars racing against each other. You hardly ever see anything like this here in the UK. It's mainly one make races or shitty FWD touring cars here. Japanese cars are really underrepresented in motorsports here too (Apart from in drifting and Japanese only drag events, but that's a given)
What's even more amazing about Jordan Cox is he's just a regular dude. I've had a couple of wheel alignments done by him and despite his obvious talent he is devoid of any ego.
This is what racing was, and should be about. It's what made it fun to watch, the nature of the classes, being based on actual factory cars, and not just tube chassis that are all the same. Fantastic. I'm pretty sure these aren't advertised as much, because if more people knew about series like this, they wouldn't watch the other boring racing series with tube chassis cars.
This is what our Australian Touring car racing was like from the 60's to the late 90's. Then the organisers got upset because an Australian developed and engineered Nissan finally showed them how to build a brilliant race car. Then it just became Holden and Ford. Now is the time to go back to Series Production and Improved Production with restricted budgets. Take the sport back to semi professional instead of big budget business professional. This will lead to better racing with driver skill level and engineer levels being more relevant than who has the most money Opens the racing up to the privateers again and gives spectators a much better spectacle. Finally racing would be worth watching again.
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Such a diverse approach is only possible in low-level of professionalism racing. The more you climb in professional racing, the tighter the rules and specs have to be. You can get away with loose and prone to loopholes regulations in amateur or semi-pro racing, but when it's top-level racing where millions of dollars are at stake, you'd better have every nut written in the book !
Not really look at F1. Red Bull’s car is so much better than the rest that there is no competitive balance. The rules there have made it so that the races are no longer competitive
They should just stop lying to everyone, take the bullshit stickers off, and change the name to nacar. I have no issue with the racing, I just don't like being lied to. If Indy cars suddenly had stickers on them and we're being called Ford Mustang and Toyota Camry by the announcers, everyone would flip out. But its no different than what nascar does.
This is what I imagined motor racing look like when I first played Gran Turismo as a kid in the late 90's, and I'm so glad this exists. Thank you so much for uploading these.
If you look at the slow-mo I think the Datsun actually had oversteer and it was corrected and then he was just locked up all the way to the barrier. Just ran out of space
@@TomPidden Exactly! I can't believe no one else noticed that. The rear stepped out as he was trailing the brakes into the corner (which is not bad by the way), then he over-corrected and straightened it into the tyre wall. I reckon if he had chose to keep the slide going and countered slightly less he would've just made it. Anyway, awesome race!
I watched IPRA at Western Australia's Barbagello raceway in the 90's. Old rotaries and 2L Ford Escorts vs Subaru Imprezas and Honda Civics. Best class of racing ever!! Tschüss.
I like racing cars that look like what my friends and family drive and own. Reminds you that you can always get out there and join in on the fun so long as you have the time, patience, and will.
Poor Yaris! lol But hell, even if that's all I could get to drive on the track I'd do it to. That's gotta be a blast to be out there racing. Well done to all those guys. Awesome!
That AE86 in blue and yellow is just gorgeous. I'm guessing Luffy got it wrong and it's actually running the 3SGTE. Incredible motor in a real classic car.👍
I watched a little Nascar when I was a kid, never really got into it. This is way better. Anytime a Civic has a chance I'm in. Also 1st time they said Celica it took a second to translate to American English...
Lots of comments about Nascar here, I agree with many of them (not a Nascar fan). But check this out: in many NASA and SCCA racing circuit regions (amateur racing) the retired NASCAR and Winston Cup cars end up on the track in our events!! They are awesome to behold in person, so loud and fast. They end up racing in the fastest classes against Ferarris, Porsches, Aston Martins, or time trials,etc. The even cooler part is you can pick up a 10 yr old retired Winston Cup car, tube chassis, the safest cage tech and fire control on the planet, and a 700 hp V8 for ten grand, sometimes less, sometimes more if it belonged to a famous driver. They are known as the safest cars on the track as they are designed to protect a driver in a 200+ MPH crash; in club racing we rarely break 130-140. They tear up the asphalt though because they generate so much friction in the braking zones. Many people don't know that this is what happens to the scores of discarded Nascars after they are retired.
This is cool! I'll have to think but I can't remember how I found this? That's it I was scrolling down to see what's next yes that's how I found it. Thanks for the upload keep it coming😁😁👍
What different championships are there for IPR I'm trying to get into it but It's really confusing. Like there's Victoria State IPR, South Australia IPR etc. etc. Are they all linked wtf is going on? Is this race linked to the Bathurst 12 hour IPR races that took place recently. I really like IPR but it seems to be all over the place! Can't get my head round it! And what is group N is that the same thing??
They were saying classes for over and under 2.0 liters. Was curious if someone had access to a current F1 engine which is 1.6 liters v6 turbo. I think they are currently generating 800 hp approx. Maybe more hp even. Would be funny. I'm very curious just how much horsepower these cars are actually generating. That 86 should have been painted white and had a sign saying Fujiwara tofu lol.
Why the levin 86 faster than the eg6? What engine are they using? I believe they're all allowed with heavy custom upgrades but man, initial D brought me here. Civic vs Levin.
the performance isn't regulated. They can throw any engine they can possibly fit in to their chassis. They are on an even playing field in the sense that they all are allowed to purchase any road car they want and modify it to their heart's content; because of that, the cars aren't "fair" on race day per se, and the outcome is based on a combination of both driving skill as well as the specs of the car/how it is tuned.
No, it's not open to any modification, it's actually fairly regulated. Look up the CAMS 3J - Improved Production specifications. You can run any engine provided the block is from from the same manufacturer as the chassis and has the same number of cylinders (4,6,8) and cylinder configuration (inline 4/6, v6/8, flat 4); no chassis modifications (like fire wall, suspension pickup points), limited suspension modifications (struts, diffs are free, but if the chassis came with a live axle and leaf springs then you must keep that configuration); limited rim width and diameter and tyre aspect ratio. There are lots of rules, unlike sports sedans. That's why 10 seconds per lap off a v8 supercar is so impressive, considering a v8 supercar is a purpose built space frame racecar now days. These cars are what touring car racing used to be (and should be).
This is way cooler than most "prototype" style series. I wonder why more racing leagues aren't like this. Pretty easy to set power to weight, power to drag, and max overall downforce ratios for the cars. The harder part is proportional tire width limits, but if you do that you'll have cars roughly theoretically equal both in the corners and straights. From there it's pretty simple to limit driver aids and computer-controlled parts, as well as banning exotic materials and "unsafe" stuff like unsprung aero, ground effects, and suction fans. Then again, it's not like cars of the downforce level I'm thinking of (roughly 40% of a GT car's downforce, or in other words, 20% of the car's overall mass in downforce) would end up needing or getting suction fans, anyway. Then again-again, it could be used like the Murray T.50 as an efficiency thing. Though at that point we're back to trying to balance the performance vs development budgets, as well as other aero factors like how dirty the wake is. Cleaner wakes = closer racing = BETTER racing and more entertainment, so I'd definitely have to look into some way of calculating the "dirty air factor" and rating each competitor's car based on that.
that maybe so but rubber butt rocket above my comment basically saying the motorsport equivalent of 'fuck off noob'. lets be perfectly honest its not hard to build a car for competition and more people should be encouraged to give it a try.
Why? So they can make a sappy heartfelt message with some shitty wannabe music from moog? "its not about the cars its about the..." STFU AND TURN A WRENCH YA FUCKING VEGAN PUSSIES!!!
@@liamcooper6721 I think he said it, because this 86 Corolla has a 3S-GE engine, and I'm pretty sure that Celicas had a 3S-GTE engine for the GT-Four trim, not sure if any of the later Celicas (ST185, or ST205) ever came with the 3S-GE, I wouldn't really know. All I'm trying to say, is that I don;t think he did it by accident.
What?!? I never knew this existed! I'm from the UK and I am so sick of Motorsport in Europe. Even our touring cars are way too different from their road counterparts. This is incredible, upgraded road cars of all different types! I think I've just found many hours of interesting racing...
This is by no means a popular category is Australia. It is very unusual to see it televised. I dream of the UK motorsport scene.
I was just about to write a similar comment myself. Such an interesting mixture of cars racing against each other. You hardly ever see anything like this here in the UK. It's mainly one make races or shitty FWD touring cars here. Japanese cars are really underrepresented in motorsports here too (Apart from in drifting and Japanese only drag events, but that's a given)
Spac8 This is like common petrolheads heaven!
uk motorsport is awesome you should have a look at lower level club motorsport.
i said the same thing when i seen this i subscribe straight away
What's even more amazing about Jordan Cox is he's just a regular dude. I've had a couple of wheel alignments done by him and despite his obvious talent he is devoid of any ego.
This is what racing was, and should be about. It's what made it fun to watch, the nature of the classes, being based on actual factory cars, and not just tube chassis that are all the same. Fantastic. I'm pretty sure these aren't advertised as much, because if more people knew about series like this, they wouldn't watch the other boring racing series with tube chassis cars.
This is what our Australian Touring car racing was like from the 60's to the late 90's. Then the organisers got upset because an Australian developed and engineered Nissan finally showed them how to build a brilliant race car. Then it just became Holden and Ford. Now is the time to go back to Series Production and Improved Production with restricted budgets. Take the sport back to semi professional instead of big budget business professional. This will lead to better racing with driver skill level and engineer levels being more relevant than who has the most money Opens the racing up to the privateers again and gives spectators a much better spectacle. Finally racing would be worth watching again.
Such a diverse approach is only possible in low-level of professionalism racing. The more you climb in professional racing, the tighter the rules and specs have to be. You can get away with loose and prone to loopholes regulations in amateur or semi-pro racing, but when it's top-level racing where millions of dollars are at stake, you'd better have every nut written in the book !
Yeah back then, racing has more entertainment than today.
Not really look at F1. Red Bull’s car is so much better than the rest that there is no competitive balance. The rules there have made it so that the races are no longer competitive
this is what nascar was in the 60's in america. guys working on their own cars seeing who is better. so so so cool
They should just stop lying to everyone, take the bullshit stickers off, and change the name to nacar. I have no issue with the racing, I just don't like being lied to. If Indy cars suddenly had stickers on them and we're being called Ford Mustang and Toyota Camry by the announcers, everyone would flip out. But its no different than what nascar does.
Nascar has never been so fun
lol, nascar...
they made right turns in the 60's?
This is pretty much how auto racing was invented, not just NASCAR.
This is what I imagined motor racing look like when I first played Gran Turismo as a kid in the late 90's, and I'm so glad this exists. Thank you so much for uploading these.
This is so cool. So refreshing seeing all these different cars racing each other.
Yeah, this is how it was "back in the day" called Group C, before Group A etc rolled through.
Great racing
This is awesome. Keep em coming. So tired of tubeframe/silouette race series.
Agreed, people forget that most series started out as individual makes...the series owners think it makes racing better to make them all the same...
PREACH... so tired of watching multi million dollar f1 teams with fashion designers..
Shingo vs Takumi racing
lmao exacly the same red civic
I knew this seemed familiar 🤔
This is one of my favorite race series ever thanks for the uploads.
I agree. Its like Riverside Cali racing was in 1970 when I use to go. John Morton and his Datsun 510 were dominant. Love it.
14:07 difference between understeer and oversteer
LMAO
And not understanding how to use brakes with no abs haha
Haha yes. That short clip should be shown to new drivers!
If you look at the slow-mo I think the Datsun actually had oversteer and it was corrected and then he was just locked up all the way to the barrier. Just ran out of space
@@TomPidden Exactly! I can't believe no one else noticed that. The rear stepped out as he was trailing the brakes into the corner (which is not bad by the way), then he over-corrected and straightened it into the tyre wall. I reckon if he had chose to keep the slide going and countered slightly less he would've just made it. Anyway, awesome race!
This is way more interesting and fun to watch than F1. And also cheaper, love aussie motorsport!
Greetings from Germany :)
I watched IPRA at Western Australia's Barbagello raceway in the 90's. Old rotaries and 2L Ford Escorts vs Subaru Imprezas and Honda Civics. Best class of racing ever!! Tschüss.
@@Ulrich_von_Jungingen ah hes, mitsubishi civics
@@tungabunga4107 ha ha ha whoops
I like racing cars that look like what my friends and family drive and own. Reminds you that you can always get out there and join in on the fun so long as you have the time, patience, and will.
Jordan Cox will forever be known as "The Great Cox" because of his impressive racing skills.
mugensamurai Should have been "The man with the massive Cox"
If he has a son one day I hope he'll name him "Harry".
@@kaihocompany 🤔
@@kaihocompany ahahhah
The drone photage is superb!
God damn this series never fails to entertain!
Some damn good racing. Really love seeing these guys that work on their own cars have such an organized and professional competition!
The variety of that machinery is impressive!
the yaris that could.
When this covid19 thing is over, we should all aspire to go racing like this group of merry men. We deserve it. Motorsport is the future.
Its a pleasure to see races like this! This is pure motorsport guys!
I love this. So many great cars with so much personality. Just insane!
This is dope! Almost reminds me of how raw the mid 80's V6 Turbo F1 cars were back then! That's crazy as hell and I love this stuff... Amazing
that civic is really aggressive i love that
One of the best categories to watch at the moment - please dont screw it up
Poor Yaris! lol But hell, even if that's all I could get to drive on the track I'd do it to. That's gotta be a blast to be out there racing. Well done to all those guys. Awesome!
Jordan Cox. Give him a cape and stand him on a plinth!!! Hero!!!
This is my new favourite racing series
I'm a simple person. I see that red Civic I click like.
Need more of this class of racing supporting Supercars events!
That AE86 in blue and yellow is just gorgeous. I'm guessing Luffy got it wrong and it's actually running the 3SGTE. Incredible motor in a real classic car.👍
I think it was a modified second gen 3sge,
Second gen 3sge is the strongest generation of naturally aspirated 3s that can compete in endurance race,
I watched a little Nascar when I was a kid, never really got into it. This is way better. Anytime a Civic has a chance I'm in. Also 1st time they said Celica it took a second to translate to American English...
Australian motorsports are interesting to watch.
I was surprised to see old Japanese cars on the track.
That’s what makes up most of the field. Very good cars for this
Australia sure knows racing!! We need this!
Theres nothing but really cool and rare cars on the limit getting blown up and wrecking left and right. This is awesome.
That camera on the front stretch is amazing!
Why is this not a thing in the states?
2 4 h o u r s o f l e m o n s
Might want to look into SCCA events as well
the legendary 86 vs civic race . god this is awesome
This reminds me so much of Forza and I love it!
7:02 when do they start racing, the whole race is a formation lap
Lots of comments about Nascar here, I agree with many of them (not a Nascar fan). But check this out: in many NASA and SCCA racing circuit regions (amateur racing) the retired NASCAR and Winston Cup cars end up on the track in our events!! They are awesome to behold in person, so loud and fast. They end up racing in the fastest classes against Ferarris, Porsches, Aston Martins, or time trials,etc. The even cooler part is you can pick up a 10 yr old retired Winston Cup car, tube chassis, the safest cage tech and fire control on the planet, and a 700 hp V8 for ten grand, sometimes less, sometimes more if it belonged to a famous driver. They are known as the safest cars on the track as they are designed to protect a driver in a 200+ MPH crash; in club racing we rarely break 130-140. They tear up the asphalt though because they generate so much friction in the braking zones. Many people don't know that this is what happens to the scores of discarded Nascars after they are retired.
Another reason to love australia!
Awesome the 1200 coupe looked good out front while it lasted
Does anyone know the engine setup for the Civic ? B20 / F20 / K20 ?
B20, Type-R head. he's on facebook
Sorry don't use facebooks but okay very good thank you.
Daniel theNerd damn
Isn't it b16 stroker to 2.0l?
b20 block,/b18cr head
Great coverage guys. Great commentary too.
This is cool! I'll have to think but I can't remember how I found this? That's it I was scrolling down to see what's next yes that's how I found it. Thanks for the upload keep it coming😁😁👍
This reminds me of my NASA days here in the US, big mix of car types.
Nasa?
@@tungabunga4107 National Auto Sports Association.
Really great racing!
Thanks for the upload👍👍
amazing Jordance cox youare amzing. i need more excitement in my life you guys bring it to the table..
0:08 Did the video skip?
Please tell us what's under bonnet
What stance for the "S" up in the right corner
What a magnificent variety of cars in this race.
This has got to be one of my favorite class along side the production class
Yes!! More of these please mate
What is in that civic that makes it turning speed so brutal
Its a shame after 3 years this video came up and im now seeing it. For real this is addictive.
Awesome racing! Love these cars! Just lost it cuz I saw this is three years old oof
What different championships are there for IPR I'm trying to get into it but It's really confusing. Like there's Victoria State IPR, South Australia IPR etc. etc. Are they all linked wtf is going on? Is this race linked to the Bathurst 12 hour IPR races that took place recently. I really like IPR but it seems to be all over the place! Can't get my head round it! And what is group N is that the same thing??
They were saying classes for over and under 2.0 liters.
Was curious if someone had access to a current F1 engine which is 1.6 liters v6 turbo.
I think they are currently generating 800 hp approx. Maybe more hp even.
Would be funny.
I'm very curious just how much horsepower these cars are actually generating.
That 86 should have been painted white and had a sign saying Fujiwara tofu lol.
race starts at @4:29
The 200sx backing into the wall twice hurt my soul
0:16 What?!! Is that a billy herington ?
Cameron Van Den Dungen
By the way, I LOVE them camera angles :D
Why the levin 86 faster than the eg6? What engine are they using? I believe they're all allowed with heavy custom upgrades but man, initial D brought me here. Civic vs Levin.
How is the performance regulated to make it fair?
the performance isn't regulated. They can throw any engine they can possibly fit in to their chassis. They are on an even playing field in the sense that they all are allowed to purchase any road car they want and modify it to their heart's content; because of that, the cars aren't "fair" on race day per se, and the outcome is based on a combination of both driving skill as well as the specs of the car/how it is tuned.
So they have a free hand. Good to know.Thanks!
No, it's not open to any modification, it's actually fairly regulated. Look up the CAMS 3J - Improved Production specifications. You can run any engine provided the block is from from the same manufacturer as the chassis and has the same number of cylinders (4,6,8) and cylinder configuration (inline 4/6, v6/8, flat 4); no chassis modifications (like fire wall, suspension pickup points), limited suspension modifications (struts, diffs are free, but if the chassis came with a live axle and leaf springs then you must keep that configuration); limited rim width and diameter and tyre aspect ratio. There are lots of rules, unlike sports sedans. That's why 10 seconds per lap off a v8 supercar is so impressive, considering a v8 supercar is a purpose built space frame racecar now days. These cars are what touring car racing used to be (and should be).
docs.cams.com.au/Manual/Race/RA26-Group-3J-2017-1.pdf
It is highly regulated otherwise the Evo would have lapped the field
can someone cover the rule and regulation of this? is so much more interesting than other races so far.
There on the cams website
That has to be the most varied group of cars I have ever seen on a grid
This type of racing needs to come to Europe
This is way cooler than most "prototype" style series. I wonder why more racing leagues aren't like this. Pretty easy to set power to weight, power to drag, and max overall downforce ratios for the cars. The harder part is proportional tire width limits, but if you do that you'll have cars roughly theoretically equal both in the corners and straights. From there it's pretty simple to limit driver aids and computer-controlled parts, as well as banning exotic materials and "unsafe" stuff like unsprung aero, ground effects, and suction fans.
Then again, it's not like cars of the downforce level I'm thinking of (roughly 40% of a GT car's downforce, or in other words, 20% of the car's overall mass in downforce) would end up needing or getting suction fans, anyway. Then again-again, it could be used like the Murray T.50 as an efficiency thing. Though at that point we're back to trying to balance the performance vs development budgets, as well as other aero factors like how dirty the wake is. Cleaner wakes = closer racing = BETTER racing and more entertainment, so I'd definitely have to look into some way of calculating the "dirty air factor" and rating each competitor's car based on that.
so what is the limit of what they call improved?
Never thought I'd see a Magna in the series
Really nice camera work 👍💪
'ts got a 3SGTE motor in it" showing its power... he forgot to mention its also turbo.. if it was na .. it would have been over after lap one.
Rubber Rocket it's not unlimited boost otherwise it would have lapped the Honda
That's what the "T" in 3SGTE stands for.
@@eagle1532 its not exactly 6psi either.. please don't make me laugh..
@@pswmetalmonkey probably only allowed to run 8 psi max
MCM should make a car for this race
You really need a dedicated team for this series sponsors and on and on. Not something you can just build and be done with.
its not hard to build a club level race car
The cars here are developed well beyond club level
that maybe so but rubber butt rocket above my comment basically saying the motorsport equivalent of 'fuck off noob'. lets be perfectly honest its not hard to build a car for competition and more people should be encouraged to give it a try.
Why? So they can make a sappy heartfelt message with some shitty wannabe music from moog?
"its not about the cars its about the..."
STFU AND TURN A WRENCH YA FUCKING VEGAN PUSSIES!!!
my question is what made those double 11´s on the start/finish line
A Dato 1200 with the FJ20 for sure
That N2 AE86 looks so awesome
how do they make sure all the cars are running similar lap times?
They go to a 36 mm restrictor if the turbo isn't standard. They must use the same family of blocks as original.
Why NASCAR is more popular than this type if racing is beyond me. FWD, rwd, high speed, high handling...real battles.
7:16 Oh mister. What are you doing?
That sound you're doing with your voice! What is that!?
does anyone know what's in that datsun1200
it's the 2.0 4-cylinder turbo engine from the nissan silvia (SR20DET). but i don't know, how much horsepower it has. i guess 200-240.
Portugal assistindo essa corrida incrível, congratulações.
This is to what racing needs to come back to.
Darn! Wanted JCox to win but i guess this track is just better suited for that 86
hahah "86 celica". bit of a stuff up from the comentator there.
Lets go saab
@@liamcooper6721 I think he said it, because this 86 Corolla has a 3S-GE engine, and I'm pretty sure that Celicas had a 3S-GTE engine for the GT-Four trim, not sure if any of the later Celicas (ST185, or ST205) ever came with the 3S-GE, I wouldn't really know. All I'm trying to say, is that I don;t think he did it by accident.
@@frankgile1996 If that were the case, he might have well said Camry XD. The 3S engines came out in a lot of Toyotas.
@@liamcooper6721 Well, that's fair enough... I guess I should have done a bit of research before commenting...
Turning up the boost does not make increase turbo lag. Putting a bigger turbo on does.
Improved Production is basically a Forza Motorsport open class lobby where people actually race cleanly.
awesome racing series ever seen!!
is this still going on???
Yep.
Are these cars somewhat close to GR A specs?
Ricardo Pereira no not like D or low C
Sorry, but i don't really understand that. What's D or Low C?
Oh my god ! Billy Herington is alive and live in Australia
Did these replace the utes?
Steven Phillips nah they are super utes coming, like turbo diesel truck
I'm not clear on what they're allowed to do to their cars. Can someone fill me in?
www.cams.com.au/docs/default-source/manual/race/ra26-group-3j-2019-1.pdf?sfvrsn=4f0e4ee7_5
no17. is te27？
What a fantastic class!
Thank God...some decent racing and Cars to watch instead of Supercabs
Speaking of AWD, I only see the Evo but no GTO aka 3000GT or Skyline GT-Rs
The Aussie gearheads really know how to get down! This is what it's all about, I love how much variety is on the track! 😁
Jordan needs to put a built and tuned F20c in that bad cat, he'd be unstoppable.
Jordan Cox is just an amazing driver
JORDAN COX AND CIVIC EG6 THE BEST!!!!!
ua-cam.com/video/HUjJdUc8CZw/v-deo.html
How do they spec these cars to keep everyone competitive? The rulebook must be a disaster!
The classes, Over 2 Litre, Under 2 Litre and under 1600cc or something like that
Jordan Cox held that back end out action because he is just HAVING IT. The lad is turned up to 11