Jeffrey Dahmer's Journey to Evil: The Home Movies and Childhood Clues - Part 2
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- Опубліковано 15 лис 2022
- Victims and survivors of Jeffrey Dahmer say they want people to see him for who he really was -- not the glamorized TV version. See a never-before-aired interview with Dahmer’s father and stepmother that sheds light on the monster behind the man. They provide chilling details about his bizarre childhood behaviors. Plus, the Netflix series Dahmer - Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story pushed a decades-old story into today’s spotlight, some say giving it a 2022 “pop culture moment.” After the series debuted, Dahmer’s infamous glasses went up for sale for $150,000, and people dressed up as the notorious serial killer for Halloween. Has our culture’s obsession with true crime desensitized us? (21314)
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Not gonna lie, I got a little irritated when the step mom corrected Dr. Phil and said, "We know him as Jeff". Like really lady?🤯 Who cares what you knew Hannibal Lecter by! I bet she doesn't even know what the real victims names were!
It was very strange. Even Dr. Phil was caught off guard with it.
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I know him by the name Fiffy. Let’s refer to him as Fiffy for the rest of this interview 😅 ffs
Because for them, it is Jeff. That's his son and her step son. It helps them separate their good memories of the child from the realities of the adult he became. Jeffrey is the serial killer. Jeff is this man's son. Imo that's why she did that and she did so for her husband's sake.
They're victims too. Survivor's guilt, regret, shame. Just for having him as a son. Separation of Jeff from Jeffrey is purely for their psychological health
I think she was trying to humanize him by using a nickname. He was inhuman. Far from a “Jeff.”
I hope the big take away is how do we as a society recognize these conditions earlier and what type of intervention might be possible to prevent such evil from ever happening
Absolutely
Exactly
There has been a lot of progress with finding signs in children. Due to research on serial killers etc. There's a profile of key things to look out for that the FBI made. And is more commonly known.
@@ambertietge6492 His obssessive desire everyday to dissect dead animals was MM red flag . School friends knew but his family were unaware because he was secretive.
agree I disagree with Dr Phil - not entertainment = I watched this as a medical professional to learn what made Jeffrey the man that he was - Dahmer is a fascinating case study
Just because I and others have a fascination in true crime it doesn't mean we agree with what they've done
Weird place to defend that stance, and I’m also a frequent consumer of true crime content. This just isn’t the place, kinda tone deaf.
Exactly! Thank youuuu!
Not at all. Actually it's the opposite.
I am not going to agree with what they done eithr but i like shows like this tho
@@We_Are_All_Vultures Agreed. Who else could we talk to about this but other true crime fans? I have my "cover story" -- serial killers actually are an important study for me -- but what I won't often admit is that it's also a morbid fascination, and that worries me.
I read and watch a lot of true crime content and one thing it has taught me is to be more aware of my surroundings whenever I'm out.
Definitely. Also, it's never a mannequin and never go to a second location without fighting for your life because statistically your chances of survival drops.
So true!
Poor animals, and all of his victims😰😱🙏
"He liked the sound the bones made in the metal pal. And Laughed." That alone tells me he knew there was something not quite right with his kid. But chose to ignore them.
The nurse at the end is spot on! Our fascination with serial killers is bc we are trying to learn what to do in a situation where we are in the danger of one. "What do I do if this happens to me?" We are trying to get control of the situation so its actually super important to learn. Why is it that nurses are always higher knowledgers than doctors?
Because nurses do all the work, all doctors do is prescribe stuff
I wouldnt say that… they’re DOCTORS for a reason…
@@IndianRedd Then you havent been severely sick for 45 years. I have and I have the experience that comes with it.
@@thunderibiscuitz7893 Yeah they listen better and many times they give a "you know I had a friend who had something similar and she/he..." and their advices work.
It’s more that people have a fascination with how someone could do something so heinous. How did they become such a monster
I never watch anything on murder for entertainment…. I’m curious to know why people do what they do …
Exactly. And for me its always TRUTH AND JUSTICE FOR THE VICTIMS.
I watched the whole series of the Netflix Jeffery Dahmer series and what I get from watching true crime shows/movies helps me to see warning signs either in my kids or with other people.
Me too
@@IndependentsForTrump I get that but there’s more too it as well.
Right I watched the series I found a lot of it creepy & disturbing in many ways , still showed warning signs that I don't get how his parents missed & I wouldn't advocate for him if he was my son in anyway knowing what he did . I believe he was born evil & turned into one of the most brutal serial killers ever .
@@jacquieiscool I would have to completely agree with you. And quite honestly I think all those psychiatric drugs that Jeffery’s mother was on during the pregnancy of Jeffery set him up to have mental health problems, and if you ask me Jeffery was like his mother and then some and I think that’s why she couldn’t stand her own son and abandoned him at 18 while he was still in high school.
Warning signs… what good does that do? Think about it. We have self determination. You can’t stop someone becoming a killer. You can turn them in when you actually know.
I am usually interested in cases about serial killers and understanding forensic psychology, but after watching the first episode on Netflix, I got physically sick and I just couldn’t watch the next episodes.
I am usually fascinated by how the human brain works and how it influences behaviors, but this type of psychopathy is too much to comprehend.
I almost had a panic attack watching the first episode.
God bless those two guys, I couldn’t even imagine going through it all over again! So many triggers I’m sure, it was triggering for me so I couldn’t even imagine!
Even doctor Phil looks mortified lol
Something is off with the dad's story about the box.
He said that he was angry and got to a heated argument with Jeff because he suspected there was pornography in that box.
Yet, when he describes how he discovered the pornography he is suddenly not angry with his son. As if he expected at the time something much worse, not in retrospect
What he leaves out is that he was angry because he thought it was gay porn and when he saw straight porn he wasn’t angry.
@@melaniep83 That makes more sense.
Why do you people continue to want to point blame! I’m a mother of 6 children and my oldest is 18. My mind would never think in a million years that my child would ever be capable of committing such crimes. We’re going back over 30 years ago where being gay wasn’t so openly accepted because there wasn’t much info on it. Now they teach homosexuality in schools and it’s accepted and everyone is very open. Keep that in mind when observing this story. Ultimately as a parent we love our child but if given the choice we all would want straight children. So I can understand why he would be relieved finding straight pornography. No father wants a gay son.
This was after he was arrested for exposing and arrested for photographing etc that boy. I think Lionel was afraid it was child porn. He was relieved it was not.
@@MsBabyChips this is possible as well.
The spooky music in the background is so cheesy lol
I’m so confused by the “glamorizing “ because I didn’t step away from this show thinking Jeffery is a hero or a great guy …I feel the same way he was a monster but this show taught me what most true crime does the signs to watch for in children and in teens and in adults you learn what not to do and with the world slowly starting to take mental health more serious these things we need to kno for sure !
It's because all of his victims were lured in by Dahmer. They went voluntarily.
Same !! I was more upset with the police & the bystanders who spoke out & nothing was done. Nothing glamorizing I had seen from it. It hits different actually watching him rather than just hearing about it. It was hard to watch & that’s the point !! To be disturbed & NOT glamorized. There’s always been freaks who think they’re cool buying killer merch. Those people disgust me. It’s not cool. It’s not pretend, it’s real.
It was a 10-part dramatic series about a cannibalistic serial killer starring a handsome actor in the leading role. There's nothing wrong with documentaries or news stories, but this was absolutely making a star out of a piece of human refuse who wasn't worth the film the movie was recorded on. It also contained lies Dahmer told, such as "keeping the body parts so the victims would never leave him". BS. He did that for the same reasons every other serial killer does: as a trophy to look at later & get off on again. He ate flesh because it was part of his fetish. Everything he did was in service of his necrophilia, not because he was some lonely backward lost soul.
@@MsNooneinparticular you are entitled to your opinion but i just don’t see it that way and anyone who does it’s not the shows fault it’s their own fault because watching the show makes you physically and mentally uncomfortable I don’t see that as glamorizing in my opinion …especially since it did bring a lot of light to victims …the zac Efron Ted bundy one that was glamorizing to me
@@dalebatch663 perfectly put
what people can take away from knowing about serial killers is that you can't know what a serial killer would look like act like, the crazy-acting person is most likely not going to kill you, you can only thank God you haven't encountered such an individual.
True fact - the average person has spoken to at least 6 killers in their lifetime, even if they presented no danger to you.
Nobody wants to believe their child could do what Jeffery did, it’s denial, but we don’t know how we would respond either. So I’m not judging his father. That lady at the end speaking nailed it!!! 👍👍👍
I have to admit that Dr. Phil’s interview with Jeffrey’s parents was taped less than two decades ago. When did he do this never-before-seen interview?
Omg I thought this was recently!!! I can't find the full episodes though?????
This is recent, his father has aged a lot.
@@Rogerthatx10 No, it’s an old interview. Dr. Phil was much younger! Take a closer look 👀 before and after.
I think this was in 2006
@@8luvbug definitely wasn’t. Seen Lionel Dahmer in early 2000s, this is recent by how much he’s aged. No more than 4 years ago.
I watched the whole series, and honestly didn’t think of anything but learning for educational purposes who Jeffrey was, I know fersure the events were far more evil than portrayed in the series, but come on people it wasn’t that bad to watch
“We don’t relate to Jeffrey he’s Jeff” sorry we got the serial killer of 17 mens name wrong
The reason she said that is because she doesn’t want to relate all this to her baby, so they refer to him as jeff now not Jeffery because she can’t believe he did this and she separates her child Jeffery from the killer jeff
Thought the same thing but Dr. Phil was gracious enough to call Jeff. She's not even the mom.
Yes that rubbed me the wrong way when she said that.
@@bethp3320 me too it was so odd. Why was she there she isn't his mother nor did she raise him.
Step mom is narcissistic person u can. Tell she control her husband
I still can't believe that my friend is friends with one of Jeff's friends from high school. He was the one who drove Jeff home after he saw Jeff walking back home drunk after graduation party. I really feel for both sides, the victims and Jeff. His former friend and I both love vintage stuff. I've spoken to him a few times, he's such a cool and kind man😊❤️🙏
My friend's friend's friend
@@BleedingGrafitti Did I say it wrong? 😆 Is the way you said it the right way?
Liar
@@electricaf365 I have proof, lol
I just finished watching this very interesting series, the victim's insight was powerful, intense, and heartbreaking and I agree with the signs to look out for to keep yourself safe-spot on-and the definitions were informative. I was really intrigued with the father's interview and analysis. After watching this series combined with "Monster" and "My friend Dahmer" it only confirmed my opinion that during his formative years he was exposed to things he shouldn't of been as well as not being supervised enough nor receiving any help (along with his father's willful ignorance) for his attractions, fantasies, alcoholism, and feelings of abandonment. I think his exploitation in school also played a roll.
The home videos are precious. He was an innocent child at one point. I could've done without the ominous music while his parents spoke. They aren't to blame for his crimes and in a sense they're victims too. It's important to note that Dahmer took full accountability for his actions. Without his confessions and cooperation the police wouldn't have been able to identify all his victims. It's interesting how the media doesn't talk about Theresa Smith. She is the sister of victim Eddie Smith. There's befriended Dahmer's parents and even visited him in prison. She said the first thing he said to her was sorry.
Thumbs up 👍
How do you know they didnt play a role in his character?
Sounds like you’re giving him credit... damn people are effed up
I really believe he severely mentally disturbed. There's a big difference between a person who is evil and a person who is mentally ill.
But did he ever really mean it? I highly doubt it. Prisoners have reported how he was not remorseful and made jokes to make others uncomfortable and to gloat about his crimes.
That's why he got beaten to death in prison.
If anything, his full confession was practical. The jig was up. He wasn't getting away this time. So why not tell them everything?
What's the end goal in taxidermy?
To display.
I still can’t believe I watched Dahmer Monster, never want to see it again. It really traumatized me, I feel for the victims families and his parents. The most horrifying and horrendous. I have nightmares sometimes.
That's the Dahmer effect. I got nightmares as a teen too when I first heard about him. I thought I was the only one but I'm convinced its a thing.
People learn how to manipulate and control from bad experiences that they had through life. I think there is no way that Jeff didn't keep a dark secret of bad experience he had as a child that made him this way
People always want a scapegoat to explain serial killers behaviour. But even if they were molested or abused as kids or had rough childhoods (which Jeff wasn’t btw) that doesn’t explain killing. Many people have rough childhoods and never go on to harm anyone. The truth is some human beings (thankfully very few) are genuine psychopaths who have no regard for the well-being of others. It’s terrifying but true. True psychopaths can’t be prevented.
There are so many people from poor hoods who've survived HEINOUS EVIL... I've met them I am one myself... And they've been the most forgiving and empathetic GOOD SAFE people I've met and keep as family decades long < 💖
We must WAKE UP to how poor people are misrepresented in mass media and presented to THE WORLD.
And we must end assuming employed people from money and such neighborhoods as GOOD SAFE MORAL PEOPLE...
Everyone talks about this evil man and all he has destroyed, 🤔 yet no one speaks about those policemen that allowed him to walk free also remember they were given awards 🏆 and moved up in ranked 🤔 yet not one word, not one sound but Jeffy was a monster in the making and had the police aid him in these killings.
Lol, they're talked about a lot. Especially the pos who gave Konerack back to Jeffrey.
Candice Delong and the other guy are judging the father so harshly. No1 you can’t stop loving your own child no matter what (but hate what they have done). 2. You can’t stop people becoming killers.
Its probably his hair.
This is crazy!!
I feel for the father , but how do you not KNOW know your son was left alone at 18??? Like how don’t you know ??
He’s 18. An adult. He didn’t need a babysitter
@@electricaf365 yeah, but not even a call?
Lionel was court ordered to move out of the house and Lionel did bring Jeffrey food sometimes so maybe he did call but Jeffrey didn't tell him his mom left
It's called morbid curiosity.
"I've watched all the the true crime I can but for some reason this Dahmer show bothers me because we're on TV talking about it"
Worked in a group home with a kid who wet the bed several times a night, beat a frog to death and laughed, and one time pretended to run away so I’d go outside and when I came back in he was waiting for me with a knife. He was 9 years old.
Wow that's absolutely terrifying.
What happened to him?
Thats my child, he is a priest now !
Do you know how many people I have heard make the statement if I become a serial killer maybe I'll become famous. They shouldn't even make movies out of this stuff. All it does is glorify it glamorize it and perpetuate it to happen more
And "Dr" Phil is here to exploit as always.
Where can I watch the full episodes?
Netflix
For those that watched these three on here on Dr. Phil's channel - they cut over half of each one of them out! You can find all three parts on here on other channels that are 38 minutes long that explain tons of things that were cut out.
Unfortunately I think this movie might build a fire in someone that has the same potential to be like Jeffrey.. like a copycat killer
I'm curious to know whether the Dahmer series provides more information regarding how to spot a killer. That's the only reason I watch true crime series. I have children and grandchildren and I would like to inform them on how to identify narcissists, sociopaths and/or psychopaths. If the Dahmer series provides no new information from all the other series relating to this subject matter, I don't want to watch it. I feel so much empathy for the victims and relatives who are still grappling with the horror they experienced. I hope those who were personally effected by Dahmer find some peace in knowing that so many people wish them well.
Yeah it's something about the serious I couldn't make it through it. And Im a true crime fanatic. This was a level of evil I couldn't and wouldn't process.
Because it was confronting. You saw what Dahmer did, it didn't sugar coat much
All I know is that Evan Peters shouldn't be punished it's not his fault for any of this I hope.
My exact thoughts 😂
The step mother is very rude and arrogant. She could have gotten her “Jeff not Jeffery” point across in a more polite, less offensive way. Geez.
Hitting someone with a barbell was an accident? Please!
Candice DeLong is WRONG to say Lionel Dahmer was trying to "dismiss" or "excuse" his ignorance to the wrongness of helping Jeff dissect animals by claiming friends of his did the same thing. That was just Lionel trying to EXPLAIN why he didnt think much of it, it didn't raise a red flag for him because he knew other people who did the same thing. That's not an excuse, it's just a quick, simple explanation.
Candice has seen thousands of these cases. She knows what these red flags mean. She knows Lionel highly likely abused and traumatized his son, and is lying! If he'd gotten his son professional help, Lionel's abuse would have been exposed.
@@constancedenchy9801 I don't believe Lionel ever abused Jeff. They shared a deeply close bond all the way to Jeff's death. If either parent was a failure for him, it was his mother, Joyce, who just packed her bags, left Jeff all alone at 18, and washed her hands of him. In my eyes, she was a failure as a parent, not Lionel.
@@jordanpressler3325 The mother had a struggle with mental illness all his childhood (starting right after his birth). Good luck getting treatment in the late 1970s. it was also clear that his father disproved of him being homosexual, that might also have played a role.
@@jordanpressler3325 Jeffrey didn't want to go with his mother when she asked him to. So you can stop with this silly abandoned narrative
When was this Show ?
Let's not hate on the actor who played Dahmer, that actor is a legend
I watched most of the series and realized he really was a monster and I had great sympathy for those that he hurt and killed and how it affected the whole community. But I was curious as to why his father was involved in going and getting roadkill etc. That was very odd behavior for a grown man.
He was pretty messed up too
I do wonder if he was just being supportive in what he thought was just a really weird hobby. I think if I didn't have a natural affinity for animals, I could have easily gone down a similar weird path, probably not serial killing but I have always had a curiosity for dead things. When I was little I kept my guinea pig after it died until my mom noticed and threw it away. Even now I'm very into taxidermy. I collect everything ethically because I'd never hurt an animal but my house is filled with dead stuff, both on display and mid process. My friends and family have kinda given up and now just point out dead stuff or drive with me when I want to pick up road kill. I don't think any of them are thinking that I'm going to start murdering people next. Even my mom who was very against it, just because she hates germs, has shown off a few of my pieces.
It’s not necessarily a bad thing to be interested in that sort of thing. It seems odd, but how would his father know he was going to be a serial killer? If anything, the father thought he was probably going to be a biologist or something I don’t know. I know people who are fascinated with that stuff.
He wasn’t they just one of many things the docuseries added in. It’s a drama not a documentary. It got so many things wrong, one episode was entirely made up. That’s why everyone has such as issue with it. It’s for entertainment purposes only.
It’s their way of separating themselves from Jeffery the serial killer. They never knew him. They knew Jeff. I don’t find it that unusual.
Well mental health problems here and in my darkest periods the shows help me but makes me more anti-social too. So it can really be a bad impact on some people but it is just too interesting.
What's up with the creepy music? Dr Phil is exploiting worse then Netflix
Candice looks crazier than Dahmer.
Too much ps. Looks like she probably was pretty pre surgery
I can’t find part 1.
His parents looks so miserable. So beautiful land scape so many beautiful area
Perhaps we become unfascinated once we experience something like this.
One thing I hate is the publicity Dahmer is getting. I work in a highschool and am really bugged by how many students are wearing the same hair style, glasses etc. as the character in the movie. I hate that he's getting even more "glamorized" I guess is the word...
I'm more scared of Candice DeLong than Jeff Dahmer.
For all the people in the comments, it's not Jeffrey, it's Jeff, thank you.
I loved the series. I hope they do another one on a different serial killer, like Ed Gein
You do realize there are many documentaries and movies already on all these serial killers. I really hope the authorities are watching some of you people.. some of you need to be on a watch list..just saying.
@@createart8032 there were already shows and movies on Dahmer too but Ryan Murphy's style and the cast was way better than the others. It would be nice to see him do another series like this one.
@@monicapyle well I hope they never make any more because they don't need to be glamorizing these sick serial killers..and glorifying it. Why don't they make movies about the victims from the victims point of view instead. All these sick shows do is put ideas into other sick minded individuals minds.
I didn't bother to watch this little series cuz I had seen the documentary years ago.. and that was enough for me.
@@createart8032 it didn't glamorize it. It made you see the emotional (and physical) torture the victims and their families went through. It brought in the perspectives of Jeff's family and his neighbors and how difficult it was for them. If you haven't seen it then you probably can't give an accurate criticism of it. Having said that, true crime isn't for everyone, so I understand not wanting to watch it. Anyway, have a good evening! 🙂
Joyce never partisipated in this shows and programs.. she never said her son is a monster. She never betrayed him. R.I.P. dear Joyce.
People didn’t watch the series to be entertained. They watched it to learn of warning signs. If it’s anything to take away from that series, it’s pay attention to your children. Don’t make excuses for what they do and take responsibility for them. Teach them.
Nobody watched it for that reason lmao.
@@bigh5446 i watched as a mother I am to pay attention on my own children
Warning signs mean nothing. Can’t predict or prevent behaviour until it happens.
How can they find warning signs from a highly inaccurate and fabricated series?
Watching his father’s interviews makes it very easy to understand why Jeffrey Dahmer is the way he is.
Of course the survivors of terrible abuse no one can watch things like those programs...
Exactly. obviously they won't be able to watch it without feeling trauma again
Don’t watch this Dr. Phil commentary to find out who Jeffrey Dahmer really was (as best as it is possible to know). Besides his parents, there are a lot of individuals on here who didn’t meaningfully interview him and truly get inside his mind. Read his official confession statements, read the book Grilling Dahmer, read Lionel Dahmer’s book A Father’s Story, Dr. Park Dietz interview’s regarding him, and other books and videos on people who truly had a chance to study him. And I hate to say this, but Capshaw’s accounts of what happened with him and Dahmer have shifted over the years and there are some unanswered discrepancies with his account, most glaring being that from all other accounts of people who were at his base at the time, there were more than 2 people in a room so some of these things couldn’t have happened. I think it’s probable Capshaw had some kind of very negative experience with Dahmer and I truly feel for him, but it’s possible much of the current story is not what happened.
The parents can only be aware of his odd behaviors. Back then, just his homosexuality would seem odd to most. But there's a very fine line between your child being interested in death, science vs your child being a deranged individual. They could've discouraged his interests, but that doesn't mean he won't stop feeling the way he felt. Should all these types of behaviors be handled by locking up the child for life away from society? The parents, just like the police, should've pried a little more into his possessions more to uncover his secrets. When you live under your family's roof for free, you don't get that privacy. I like how he was or was portrayed as not being a liar. He let cops enter his apartment, he answered questions (perhaps some untruthfully), but it didn't come off arrogant like he knew he could get away with this. Just very naive and lucky that it took so long for him to actually be caught.
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I’m also a huge true crime fan, but I couldn’t watch this whole series. It made me physically ill.
Wow
When the lady said she couldn’t get past 3 episodes, she did better than me k didn’t make it through one
I thought the serial killer triad of fire starting/bed wetting / hurting animals was disproved?
There have been hundreds and hundreds of documentaries on serial killers and worse than Dahmer... I'm addicted!!!!
Phil is part of the same entertainment business.
I can’t see the fascination with this monster
I agree with comments of his peeps. They didn't do it, and its the way they deal with it separating their memories and the criminality of his illness.
Here's a question: what is it in the human imagination, which is something in us all, that when we see something cute like a puppy or baby and we say words to the kind of effect "you're so cute I could eat you" - or like when we want to cuddle something cute so tight that it could actually hurt it - of course we don't carry it through but what precisely is this capacity in us? Where does it come from?
I would think that most people would know that its a movie and what was there didn't scratch the serface
🙏🏼
Are they suggesting because it is horrific, that society as a whole should not know that this happened. Should we not recognize the Holocaust survivors just the same? I must have misinterpreted
Exactly they are way better for this kind of job and this is what will happen in the future 😃
Sorry i have to defend nerds like me though I understand that this is a problem. I like watching these shows but I do it with a educational mindset. I got a bachelor degree in human development and I find the way people think interesting. I want to know how a investigator thinks looking at facts. I want to see the slips of the perpetrators and I make note of their behavior. I will never understand watching a criminal documentary or the saw series and glorifying the actions of a serial killer. Why someone likes watching people be tortured killed and then celebrate the movie villains is beyond me. My husband doesn't understand how I'm able to watch these graphic crime shows describing the scene and I told him it depends on the maker of the video. I only clicked on this video because I saw the fbi agent who host deadly woman was in it. I appreciate her work to educate the public to keep women and men safe from people we wouldn't usually think twice about. I honestly believe that watching her show and studying warning red flags is the reason why I'm alive today. There have been many times that i said somethings wrong we need to go or you may not be here and then I learn that something bad happened or that person I kicked out of my apartment thankfully I was never alone with raped someone later. Be educated to recognize warning signs but don't glorify the crime. We will become such a horrible world if evil is justified and it'll be our fault if people start behaving in this way all because they have been taught its okay. It's normal. It's not normal to want to hurt people and think it's okay to do what they did and I want people to know that if you watch these and feel joy instead of recognizing the seriousness of the situation then you need to work on yourself so you learn to feel uncomfortable when people do evil things. I don't love the extreme criticism of people who watch crime news or documentary in this episode because I do think they can be a good teaching tool to learn signs,behaviors that we can't even comprehend cause our brain can't even go there but I do think it is important to call out those who don't use it for educational purposes like they said. We need to watch what we get desensitized to and portray in our society.
Blah blah . People obviously don't mean people like . They mean these dumb idiots who are saying they love him and are defending him . OBVIOUSLY try not to think everything is about you .
He was actually a cute little boy…serial killers always have tells but the ppl close to them jus don’t pick up on them…it’s sad I think
I definitely got OG Karen vibes from the mother or stepmother at the beginning there we don't relate to Jeffrey it's Jeff
no it's not Karen vibes. People seem to forget that Dahmer was their son. They know his as Jeff their child, not Jeffrey the monster. There is a difference.
I believe Jeff Dalmers traits were exasperated by the alienation of love and not feeling like he ever measured up to his brother plus the basic deep shame at the time that he was gay which made him hate himself and others like himself even more. I'm so proud things have changed greatly for the gay community.
Who was watching him as a child sounds like he was making his on decision, something was happening to him
I’ve loved true crime for years!! But i refused to watch that show simply because of the disturbing nature
I’ve watched the Dahmer series and I wouldn’t say it’s fascinating. I would say that it’s engaging and intriguing how such gruesome crimes could occur to 17 victims when police reports were made multiple times and nothing was done.. even asking to do a welfare check for one of his victims who got out and again the police did nothing.. I think the movie highlighted how the police were so dismissive of Glenda Cleveland, which shows incompetence on their behalf and ultimately racism. The fact that they believed a young white male over two women of colour is beyond me. It’s an infamous case.
Then why watch it
The blame belongs squarely on the biological mother who abandoned her family. It absolutely destroyed her son and husband. I can't imagine the level of pain and anger etc I would have felt, and we'd all like to think we wouldn't have reacted as he did, but would we? I'll bet he would have grown up to be a nice loving person.
No I disagree. There are many people out there that have been abandoned and have abandonment issues. They don't kill because of it. Jeffrey was mentally ill.
The biological mother had postpartum depression and in the late 1970s treatment was not what it is now. She continued to suffer from mentall illness. Likely she was not emotionally available for the baby and toddler, nor was his father (working a lot, then the marriage got worse and worse).
Disagree this show was watched for pure entertainment. No one turns on the show and thinks “I’m gonna watch a show on a man who murdered and ate people to laugh and giggle.” Generally, most of us are engaging to get a better understanding and to see what’s going on in his head. And to bring knowledge so MAYBE we can be more aware in the future. This show was GROSSLY uncomfortable and anyone who smiled through it or got pure enjoyment is on Jeff’s level.
If he would have become a doctor no one would have talked about the things he did with the animals etc. BTW, if the things he did were already in his mind nothing would've helped prevent him from what he did.
What ? She don't know Jeffrey
The chubby somewhat nerdy Jeffrey looks so much different from the Jeffrey in the latest days of court when he had on the orange suit and no glasses. It's like two completely different persons.
Gemini
Try watching the John Wayne Gacy movie..
Ok Shari. You may mean well but the audacity for her to correct Dr Phill and say his name was Jeff to them not Jeffery. ... Dear God .. his name was Jeffery Lionel Dahmer . That's the reality.. calling him "Jeff" does not asuage his guilt.
I i feel fo his father. It's ALOT to bear but he needs to stop dismissing Jeffreys intentions.
You don't 'acvifebtslly " hit someone in the head with a 10 lb dumbbell because you're l"onely "🙄
His father SHOULD have gotten help for his own murderous thoughts LONG AGO
If you have murderous fantasies ... Please don't have children and pass along that mental defect
You DO NOT encourage a child's cmorbid curiosity anatomy of dead animals.
You don't dissect dead animals in front of children
I'm sorry that is way too much for a young child's brain to process .
It is so easy with a well educated person in the field of criminality to poise the question as to why his parents didnt see the red flags. This demonstrates a blind spot in the mind of the questioner. Parents even well educated parents all those years ago they wouldnt ever have considered the child behaviours described as indicators of a serious problem. It is totally inappropriate to place any blame on his parents for not knowing their child could grow up to be one of the most monsterous serial killets to ever have lived.
I read an article many years ago one of the first red flags to notice in a child is when they're abusing animals killing animals..thats one of the biggest red flags that there's a problem.
@@createart8032 JDhamer didnt, or it wasnt known by anybody that he hurt or tortured animals as a child. It was when he was cought and talking with a psychiatriast & father that he spoke about cutting up animals. Dead animals or road kill that is. Further the average person in the street during the 1960's & 1970's would not have understood the triad of behaviours in children that may indicate what was at that time was called a predispisition to psychopathy.
Also he was NEVER diagnosed with psychopathy. He was however diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, psychotic disorder & schitzotypal disorder.
Candice!!!
Jeffrey not dump, He knew they would kiss his as He drug so they cant fight back
Lionel is careful to absolve him self from all blame in regards to not be willing to investigate and take s young Jeff to task. The wooden box must have given off a faint smell of death and decay. Lionel is very careful to cover his tracks and repeatedly utters phrases like "i had no idea" yes you did Lionel i believe that Lionel also exhibited traits of psycopathy and that Lionel has sucessfully repressed those impulses and at best he recongnised the same weird traits and more in Jeffs childhood behaviour and simply assumed that if he allowed Jeff to collect dead road kill that would somehow appease his morbid interests and allow him an outlet safely exercise his psycopath impulses in a modified fashion.
Evan Peters did such a great job that I actually gained some sympathy for Dahmer after watching the series.
@@thebrowniesempire I’ve watched countless interviews of him. I still have sympathy for him and the victims.
@@thebrowniesempire you need to take your victim mentality and race card somewhere else. This Cougar doesn’t play that.
What about the movie from Years ago. Its all wrong for movies to be made of tragedy! Did they have love ones approval?!
open overt war is the best , i much rather die with the sword in my hand
Damn, was that a real gun in the bed with him? Can't help but wonder.
no, it was a toy
What would they expect those parents to have done ? It wa sthe 70s mostly right, 80s? Where would they have gone for help had they known even?,not taht there were any sort of popular psych type shows anyway . What were they supposed ot do and how could they really know nay of this?