The fact that he forgives his son - a cannibal, murderer, the monster of Milwaukee… But not himself… That is just so sad. I can’t imagine what it’s like for him. The guilt, the grief. It must be absolutely awful - especially now with the documentary that came out, reliving everything. Also props for the stepmom. She didn’t even birth Jeffrey, yet she speaks of him as if he is her blood. Imagine your stepson doing these disgusting things and you still consider him your son.
It is heartbreaking. raising, loving and caring for your child. imagine thinking of the moments he spent with him at a young age. it’s so sad to think about it. must be so hard when so many people also blame the parent for forgiving the son. but at the end of the day that was his child that he loved and cared for
I can’t imagine the grief this man has gone through. The grief of finding out his son did these horrible things to real people. The grief of having a serial killer for a son. The grief of then losing your son because you can’t just automatically stop loving your kid, you love them for what they once were, your baby.
@@ReturnOfTheJ.D. You mean the victim that was appearing on various talk shows in drag pretending to be his sister? Eddie/Carolyn and Theresa sure put on a good show. That's for sure.
There is no real evidence that Lionel sexually abused his own son. But both he and his wife brought up Jeff with no attention or interest in his day to day life. They are guilty of abandonment. Although I do not doubt their love for him
Bless Lionel Dahmer. He loved his son unconditionally and tried to help. He didn't know the extent of his son's issues and learned the details of his crimes with the rest of the world during the trial. He wrote a great book trying to analyze Jeffrey's behavior and where things could've gone wrong. Even in this video he is still trying to process what happened and make sense of it all.
@@ariannaclearday there are many many many factors that go into someone growing up to be this messed up. He was a child of fetal alcohol syndrome and was drug addicted from birth because of his mother. That plays more into his brain development than an absent working father. Do your research before you make an ignorant comment. I’ve seen true crime stories of people that grow up extremely loved, cared for, and taken care of in every aspect and need. That still end up being murderers. Finding the human in a monster like Jeffery dahmer doesn’t make you forget or ignore the horrific crimes he committed. It simple makes you a better smarter human for doing so. The brain is the most complicated thing in the universe. Watch a documentary buddy it might do you some good when writing your next comment. 😂
I don’t feel bad for Jeffrey. Many people grow up in dysfunctional environments, but they do not rape, sexually torture, murder & cannibalize boys and young men. He deserves ZERO sympathy!
I agree. His father obviously loved him and as a parent he did what needed to be done to support his family. Unfortunately, in this country, you have to lose out on time with your kids and give it to work just to put food on the table. His grief is justified just like any parent who loses their child, even though Jeffrey did horrifying things.
@@meganmose Jeffrey Dahmer was not a narcissist but someone with severe serious psychiatric illness mixed with being intoxicated %99 of the time. Narcs do not accept they are insane or sick. Jeffrey wanted to know why he was so sick and wished to be stopped. He wasn’t racist as he picked all races and was very remorseful and accepted the hatred of his victims families.
Parenthood is such a fascinating thing... He forgave his son, the one that did all those horrible things, years ago... But he is still not able to fully forgive himself despite all the time that past and despite the fact that he's not the one who made these acts...
Well that's because there are actually some parents who take responsibility for the way their kids turn out. Unless it was a genetic issue that caused his son to go bad then he should feel a little bad.
@@Dire_Hit Well they take responsability because IT'S their fault. Childhood and teenage years is when your brain is developing and picking signals and some people are more sensible than others and needs more help, which is clear, Jeffrey had any.
I feel so sorry for Lionel, he’s done the best he could in this awful situation. I mean, Try to put yourself in his place, can you even imagine? May God bless all of his victims, victims families and his family❤️
By this time he had done these interviews a million times and repeated the same stories over and over again. So it's not surprising why he seems this way.
They missed all clues . His stiry. Tells you he missed it. Means they were not very active in sons life. My sondid that and he would been disowned . What sorry excuse. Using st paul. Gid had purpose. For paul. Satan had purpose for his son. Tottaly twisted reasoning. Sickening . The son coukd never pay enough fir the loss lives . The mother right away on the first interview clarified. His name is jeff not jeffrey. Very. Condoling mother. The type of mothers that cry over these animals .
I've read all the books, including Lionel Dahmer's and I still believe that a lot of Jeffreys problem at puberty grew out of a mental illness inherited from his mentally ill mother, coupled with the pills she took during her pregnancy. I remember having really dark thoughts when I was about the same age as Jeff did - around 12 -13. I don't remember wanting to kill anyone or thing outside of myself but I did feel strange and suicidal. Now, looking back I realise it was depression probably brought on by hormones etc. So, to me, the part of Jeff's puberty that was abnormal was where his thoughts took him. His took him outside of himself, and I think that's a chemical aberration that was born out of both nature (moms pills) and nurture. (Her leaving him and taking his brother.) His mom was so odd. I think it affected him a great deal. I believe a thing like that at a time like that, was like waving a red cape at an enraged bull. Huge red flag.
I feel bad that people want to blame his parents for not noticing- who thinks their child is a serial killer? Especially with his parents of their age.
If they had paid more attention to thier son and not allow him to see or do anything that a kid shouldn’t this never would’ve happened. The only reason he killed his first victim was because he felt lonely and he felt that way because of…….. his parents.
@@yosi8246 Billions of people have felt lonely and much worse and never murdered anyone because of it. If his parents are responsible at all it’s less than 1%
it must be so hard being the parents of a serial killer. like imagine raising this child to find out he committed these murders. so sad for the victims, their families and the parents 🙁
It is such a tragic situation. I feel so much sorrow for the victims and their families and I also feel sad for Jeff and his family. Seeing him as a kid hits home that at one point he was an innocent kid. So tragic.
I agree with you... I feel like a lot of people don't really like to show that sorrowfulness towards jeff because of the circumstances, but tbh I really cant help but feel it ya know?
The enormity of his crimes is shockingly staggering and devastating - involving cannibalism, carrying a human head in a backpack, and actually cooking and consuming human flesh. This behavior goes beyond insanity. It's not surprising that people find it difficult to forget, as such stories are not encountered every day. The details are extremely disturbing and almost unbelievable
Honestly l respect Lionel for even coming on and answering questions you can tell how much he loved his son its such a difficult thing to see the way an innocent child grew to do the things he did. I agree with what he said about a continuum. It’s almost as if he hasn’t ever come to terms with what has happened, bless him I hope he’s doing okay
It is absolutely ridiculous to expect Lionel Dahmer to apologize for what his son did!! Any of us who have raised children to adulthood know that we can’t control the acts of adult children!! Jeffrey himself “owned it” with regard to his acts. He specifically said “It wasn’t anyone else’s fault. It was me. I was the problem!” So why do people want to blame Jeffrey’s parents for what he did?? I’m a professional who has been in the “people business “ for many years . Dr. Phil, you should know better than to shift the blame!!🤔
Seeing that old footage of J D childhood hurts...like how could an innocent looking kid could've turned into that bastard, how's humanity going to end up like... how would it be if his father didn't encourage that behaviour thinking it was inoffensive, would the victims have a change to be alive if he would have gotten help in the past? These type of things are just so unbelievable
Yeah red flags you know there's millions of kids showing red flags on daily basis and less than 0.0001% of them will ever become killers, not to mention serial killers. It's always easy to point finger in retrospect, but just as a warning you will be judged by the words you have spoken. Your own measurements will be used against you.
Can anyone else see that the father is only describing what is seen in the family reel? It's like he's literally narrating from a scrip made for the reel, there's actually no personal account of any particular detail of his entire childhood, all he's saying are the typical thing that people play to pretend to. Nothing happens in a vacuum, and the father is not owning anything, "Jeff" now was an entire Angel and only was "off" when OTHER people seem him doing so, never in from of their parents. come on. He never laid a hand on him and he regrets it? Really, cause everyone got spanked at least once back in the day. He's lying and hiding the truth like a good Narcissist parent do.
ive read his book and youre right, in this interview he barely says anything but in the book he admits to helping jeff decompose animals and save their bones etc
Asking for the victims to forgive Jeffrey is not fair. He didn't pay for what he did. He boasted about what he did showing no remorse causing another inmate to kill him!
He wanted to die. That's why he taunted the other inmates, so that they would kill him. He could have served his whole sentence in segregation, but he wanted to go to general population even when everyone told him not to do that or he would be killed. But that's what he wanted.
@@alexlazzerly3677 True. And people that refuse to forgive are doing a dis-service to themselves. Because forgiveness is an extremely healing thing to do. It's not easy but its very important. Forgiveness doesn't have to do anything for the perpetrator. You don't even need to tell that person. Forgiveness is entirely about the victim getting to move on.
absolutely agree. i wonder why Jeff's mom has not been interviewed - I blame her more that anyone for Jeffs demise she just abandoned Jeff Lionel was there too much and that imbalance made Jeff want men more than woman
I figured this when he was the one who refused to let scientists explore his brain post autopsy. they wanted to figure out what could have made him sick but he probably used Jeffrey wanting his body to be buried as a whole as an excuse to not find out how sick he was (considering it would have been cremated anyway and could have been put together after)
Asking for forgiveness as one thing, but saying he paid the price is so unjustified, he tortured in the most gruesome barbaric inhumane way to so many people and he was killed quickly they don’t compare
His father is as much a victim as the families of the murder victims are also victims. It is just a sad, tragic tale. I can't even imagine the horrible guilt and pain his father has had to also endure from all of this.
Jeffrey was an extremely overly sensitive child that didn’t know how to express his need for love and attention. He craved emotional closeness from a male. Unfortunately it led him to take a course for the worse.
exactly. I'm not saying I sympathize with the killings, but that anger and abandonment had to come from somewhere. I feel sympathy for him only because of the abandonment from his mother, the bullying at school, if his parents wouldve seen the signs before hand then maybe he couldve gotten help.
@@8luvbug did you not do your research? His mom left him at the house alone while her and his younger brother ran off to his grandmas house, the day of his graduation, that to some people would be abandonment, get educated pls
@@tonyabarrett822 I've done plenty of research on this case. You clearly got your information from the inaccurate Netflix series. Now YOU please go get educated on what REALLY happened.
the only thing that irks me is that Lionel asks for the victim’s family’s to forgive the man that coldly murdered their loved ones just because jeffrey is dead now
He wants the victims to experience the benefits of forgiveness. Its a huge step to forgive and forgiveness has absolutely nothing to do with the perpetrator. It doesn't mean that anything done was ok. Forgiveness is all about the victim trying to move on.
I would have liked to hear dr. Phil's opinion regarding the outcome of that 'so-called insanity trial'.. All the mental health experts involved had different perspectives on Jeffrey's sanity
The moulding stage of a child is important,with no direction he can go astray and that's the time his parents left him,not blaming them but any child for that matter
Are people really this mind numbingly stupid 😂. Have you really not seen just how many perfectly normal people speak like this. Not everyone is an animated speaker
The thing is his father would never have thought he would commit such heinous crimes. He found out about a few odd things. But i doubt he ever thought oh my sons probably going to become the worst serial killer in America. To me he seemed to be a very loving father in the family home videos. No one could ever truly know what goes on in someone's mind. Not even your own children's.
I can't imagine how much greif, guilt and utter horror Lionel and his wife felt when they first learnt what their own son did. They must've been wondering and trying so hard to figure out what they did wrong when raising him since that.
No one can imagine that your own child could become a murderer, even less a serial killer. Lionel certainly noticed that Jeffrey had some mental issues and lacked social skills, but no parent would consider the possibility of a child committing those atrocities.
I think there’s always been this push to blame his mother with wild accusations of issues without proof and she strongly denies them but I’ve always believed it was Lionel who was the problem in the home and he has the issues frankly. He’s been off to me from the get go….
His mom wanted them to study his brain and Lionel didn't want to, but he mentions wanting to get to the bottom of it and figure out why his son was that way or made him that way? He knows that his brain might look just like his sons. I feel bad for him but then I don't
Dissection of his brain wouldn’t show much if anything at all. His mom was abusive, and wanted to deflect everything. She abandoned jeff and took the brother. Nor did she visit or call Jeff after she left. Lionel wanted to know how this started and why. You won’t get that from a dissection of Jeff’s brain.
@@ZaraMurphy1001 Me and my brother would pick dead animals and we did just fine. I’m sure back then in the 70’s it was no big deal, was just entertainment. Was better than cruel, murderous video games.
If you compare the father’s interviews vrs the mother, he takes accountability of his parenting compared to the mother. It was claimed the mother had seizures during her pregnacy and was given extreme medicine from the dr during a home visit. Yes back when dr’s came to your house. Everything was different back then but the mommy takes this as “blame’’ and denies it ever happened. Its not about blame, its seeking answers, warning signs missed and what can help others not to do with their own child.
When he said “I have had friends who also collected dead animal bodies” like Jeff did… like I feel like he was talking about himself and not “friends” of his …
@@batmang9014 💯💯💯💯 Most of his shows are of him using people's pain and mental health issues for exploitation and views. There's a reason he doesn't have his license. And he'll claim its to "help" them.... sometimes he fixes them up with his doctor friends or whatever, but he's a piss poor excuse of a "Dr.". and always bragging about his credentials 🙄 and his wife's fake skincare line when she got enough surgery to the point where her face doesnt move and she looks like one of those blow up dolls when she does her "shocked" look that the cameraman always catches... 😳😬 sorry needed to vent my dr. Phil frustration 😂
In any interview or footage of Lionel speaking, he comes off as emotionless and cold. His face is almost mask life, and when he speaks it is always in the same monotonous tone. I feel uncomfortable watching him because I can not read him.
his father lied about road kill part from what i recall jeff said his father would help with the road kill as showed how to clean fish and some of the stuff in his book down clabrate with what jeff said
It’s interesting Mr. Dahmer really looks good for his age man has went through so much debauchery and manifestations and all kinds of demons that he had to deal with when his son died yet Mr. Dahmer looks good
Poor poor victims, families, friends ... and this murderer's parents. I do not think you can forgive these horrendous crimes. I hope the victims' families can kind of forget, but I do not think that you should be expected to forgive.
Little Jeffrey looked so happy as a little boy. I feel like he still had a tiny little purr piece of his inner child in his heart, and that’s why he had to drink all the time. He had to be in so much pain. I hope his victims and their families can forgive him and they all find peace.
I feel for Lionel because that’s gotta be the hardest situation to possibly be in as a father. In part 1 of the interview Dr. Phil seemed to wanna hammer home the idea that Lionel didn’t do his job as a father, and missed all these warning signs and stuff. And here in part 2 he’s kinda doing it again. I mean it was just frustrating to watch because none of us could ever possibly understand how hard it is to be a father under those circumstances.
I feel so bad for his father. I kind of wonder if he kinda knew what was going on when the box had the head in it, n gave Jeff a chance to get rid of it. He loved his son so much
One of the biggest issues i have is with the photos of Dahmer ages 11-14 and Lionel describes him as happy,i don't see happiness whatsoever i think he was wearing a mask of happiness/pretending to be happy because it's likely nor he or his brother grew up in a home where emotions were talked about
Unfortunately his father and mother are the number one reason he became this way. He was left alone for months while being a heavy alcoholic. He committed his first murder when he was left alone for those months. I think his father and mother didn’t pay much attention to Jeff. Abandonment is all mental
Absolutely. Those are his youthful years not teenage one. Other than the fact that his mother left him when he's 18, his parents also divorced.. The most important stage of a human is their developmental years, which they weren't able to pay much attention with. It's sad it ended up that way, even if we blame his parents.. we can't change things anymore. I think his father is a good man, he sure tried. I hope he forgave himself though.
I’m all fairness even though he played with dead animals I don’t think anyone would assume he would be killing 17 people. As parents we don’t ever put our minds there about our children. Lionel isn’t to be blamed.
The fact that he forgives his son - a cannibal, murderer, the monster of Milwaukee…
But not himself… That is just so sad. I can’t imagine what it’s like for him. The guilt, the grief. It must be absolutely awful - especially now with the documentary that came out, reliving everything.
Also props for the stepmom. She didn’t even birth Jeffrey, yet she speaks of him as if he is her blood. Imagine your stepson doing these disgusting things and you still consider him your son.
It is heartbreaking. raising, loving and caring for your child. imagine thinking of the moments he spent with him at a young age. it’s so sad to think about it. must be so hard when so many people also blame the parent for forgiving the son. but at the end of the day that was his child that he loved and cared for
Forgive, but not forget.
I would have divorced him.
Yes! That’s the actual definition of love. ❤
@@genellecampbell3968or dissociation
I can’t imagine the grief this man has gone through. The grief of finding out his son did these horrible things to real people. The grief of having a serial killer for a son. The grief of then losing your son because you can’t just automatically stop loving your kid, you love them for what they once were, your baby.
Every killer got a father.
And?
@@thomasg-elin5412But not every father got a killer.
@@hugoramirez6698 Every father have a potential killer as a child.
@@thomasg-elin5412no they don’t, misguided children are, not regular children
The victim's sister who is friends with Dahmer's parents is a great person. A very fine human being.
Who was the victim?
@@IzzaPlays Eddie Smith.
@@ReturnOfTheJ.D. thank you
@@ReturnOfTheJ.D. You mean the victim that was appearing on various talk shows in drag pretending to be his sister? Eddie/Carolyn and Theresa sure put on a good show. That's for sure.
She's weird
I admire his courage to be so candid, take some accountability and ask for forgiveness. That's a good man.
You call someone who sexually abused his own child, a child, a good man? Um OK.
@@ManplansGodlaughs except there’s been zero proof of this lol the old guilty until proven innocent trick
@@ManplansGodlaughs I didn't know that. Maybe I missed that part. 🤔
@@ManplansGodlaughs All I could find is that a neighbor did that. Where did you get that info?
There is no real evidence that Lionel sexually abused his own son. But both he and his wife brought up Jeff with no attention or interest in his day to day life. They are guilty of abandonment. Although I do not doubt their love for him
Bless Lionel Dahmer. He loved his son unconditionally and tried to help. He didn't know the extent of his son's issues and learned the details of his crimes with the rest of the world during the trial. He wrote a great book trying to analyze Jeffrey's behavior and where things could've gone wrong. Even in this video he is still trying to process what happened and make sense of it all.
He did not he’s a sociopath and created corrupted abused Dahmer He has ASPD+NPD
Yaaas queen! Maybe if Jeffy met a white straight girl like you, he wouldn't be a murderer or homosexual! 🙄🙄
He raised his son to be what he was.
@@ariannaclearday there are many many many factors that go into someone growing up to be this messed up. He was a child of fetal alcohol syndrome and was drug addicted from birth because of his mother. That plays more into his brain development than an absent working father. Do your research before you make an ignorant comment. I’ve seen true crime stories of people that grow up extremely loved, cared for, and taken care of in every aspect and need. That still end up being murderers. Finding the human in a monster like Jeffery dahmer doesn’t make you forget or ignore the horrific crimes he committed. It simple makes you a better smarter human for doing so. The brain is the most complicated thing in the universe. Watch a documentary buddy it might do you some good when writing your next comment. 😂
Ikr
I feel so sorry for the victims and Jeffrey's parents
I don’t feel bad for Jeffrey. Many people grow up in dysfunctional environments, but they do not rape, sexually torture, murder & cannibalize boys and young men. He deserves ZERO sympathy!
@someonee well said
I agree. His father obviously loved him and as a parent he did what needed to be done to support his family. Unfortunately, in this country, you have to lose out on time with your kids and give it to work just to put food on the table. His grief is justified just like any parent who loses their child, even though Jeffrey did horrifying things.
@@someonee4989 sorry that is excuse, I was with Narcs my relatives but not going to kill people
@@meganmose Jeffrey Dahmer was not a narcissist but someone with severe serious psychiatric illness mixed with being intoxicated %99 of the time. Narcs do not accept they are insane or sick. Jeffrey wanted to know why he was so sick and wished to be stopped. He wasn’t racist as he picked all races and was very remorseful and accepted the hatred of his victims families.
Parenthood is such a fascinating thing... He forgave his son, the one that did all those horrible things, years ago... But he is still not able to fully forgive himself despite all the time that past and despite the fact that he's not the one who made these acts...
Yes.. Because what is a parent?
Well that's because there are actually some parents who take responsibility for the way their kids turn out. Unless it was a genetic issue that caused his son to go bad then he should feel a little bad.
@@Dire_Hit Well they take responsability because IT'S their fault. Childhood and teenage years is when your brain is developing and picking signals and some people are more sensible than others and needs more help, which is clear, Jeffrey had any.
Nature and nurture plays the role in developing brain so theyre definetely at fault on some level
@@irrelevanttwat I'd love to hear your facts on what they did to help cause this. Let's here em
It is so wrong trying to find faults in Lionel! Jeff said himself the only person to blame for his actions was Jeff only and no one else!
This makes me sad .. it's giving me anxiety. Seeing him as a yougin then going into what he became is an absolutely horrific thing to witness.
it's hard to accept Jeff a little boy.. and later doing those horrible things.. Serial killers at one point were children..
He was messed up from a young age killing and touching animals private parts he was a mess when he came out thr womb
I feel so sorry for Lionel, he’s done the best he could in this awful situation. I mean, Try to put yourself in his place, can you even imagine? May God bless all of his victims, victims families and his family❤️
Watch Dahmer, he’s not a great guy.
He did the best he could to look like a good father when he abused and corrupted Dahmer he has ASPD+NPD factor 2 sociopathy
@@maple6894 we know that
@@IHateEverythingInIife I wasnt talking to you?
Dahmer isn’t all the way there and leave that man alone.
Is it just me or done he give off the same nonchalant demeanor as his son
He does
Yes, he sounds both cold and nonchalant.
By this time he had done these interviews a million times and repeated the same stories over and over again. So it's not surprising why he seems this way.
They probably talk alike but the old man probably dead inside cmon he's never hurt no one
Dahmer wasn’t that bad of a dude
Imagine being a parent of a serial killer, how would one feel if we were in his father's shoes. Must be beyond devastating 😢 💔
Japanese child serial killer, Tsutumo Miyazaki's father committed suicide out of shame.
I think i be torn from loving the child but feel disgust at the same
They missed all clues . His stiry. Tells you he missed it. Means they were not very active in sons life. My sondid that and he would been disowned . What sorry excuse. Using st paul. Gid had purpose. For paul. Satan had purpose for his son. Tottaly twisted reasoning. Sickening . The son coukd never pay enough fir the loss lives . The mother right away on the first interview clarified. His name is jeff not jeffrey. Very. Condoling mother. The type of mothers that cry over these animals .
I've read all the books, including Lionel Dahmer's and I still believe that a lot of Jeffreys problem at puberty grew out of a mental illness inherited from his mentally ill mother, coupled with the pills she took during her pregnancy.
I remember having really dark thoughts when I was about the same age as Jeff did - around 12 -13. I don't remember wanting to kill anyone or thing outside of myself but I did feel strange and suicidal. Now, looking back I realise it was depression probably brought on by hormones etc. So, to me, the part of Jeff's puberty that was abnormal was where his thoughts took him. His took him outside of himself, and I think that's a chemical aberration that was born out of both nature (moms pills) and nurture. (Her leaving him and taking his brother.) His mom was so odd. I think it affected him a great deal. I believe a thing like that at a time like that, was
like waving a red cape at an enraged bull. Huge red flag.
She took the brother n left when Jeff was 18 though right? Not the same
I call bs. He was just sick.
She abandoned him. Take one child and not the other!!? You know the message that had to have sent Jeff.
@@jmfia2391 call bs all you want it was a perfectly reasonable perspective with actual depth unlike your pointless comment.
Absolutely right!!👍
I feel bad that people want to blame his parents for not noticing- who thinks their child is a serial killer? Especially with his parents of their age.
Exactly
If they had paid more attention to thier son and not allow him to see or do anything that a kid shouldn’t this never would’ve happened. The only reason he killed his first victim was because he felt lonely and he felt that way because of…….. his parents.
@@yosi8246 Billions of people have felt lonely and much worse and never murdered anyone because of it. If his parents are responsible at all it’s less than 1%
@@yosi8246 that's an excuse to go out and kill people? Got it
@@8luvbug it’s not an excuse I’m just saying it’s not Jeff’s fault
it must be so hard being the parents of a serial killer. like imagine raising this child to find out he committed these murders. so sad for the victims, their families and the parents 🙁
As a father myself, I don't see how a parent ever really gets the wind back in their sails after something like this, at least not totally.
It is such a tragic situation. I feel so much sorrow for the victims and their families and I also feel sad for Jeff and his family. Seeing him as a kid hits home that at one point he was an innocent kid. So tragic.
I agree with you... I feel like a lot of people don't really like to show that sorrowfulness towards jeff because of the circumstances, but tbh I really cant help but feel it ya know?
The enormity of his crimes is shockingly staggering and devastating - involving cannibalism, carrying a human head in a backpack, and actually cooking and consuming human flesh. This behavior goes beyond insanity. It's not surprising that people find it difficult to forget, as such stories are not encountered every day. The details are extremely disturbing and almost unbelievable
Honestly l respect Lionel for even coming on and answering questions you can tell how much he loved his son its such a difficult thing to see the way an innocent child grew to do the things he did. I agree with what he said about a continuum. It’s almost as if he hasn’t ever come to terms with what has happened, bless him I hope he’s doing okay
He died recently.
@@drama2u yeah I know.. he didn’t look well. Shame, but atleast he isn’t suffering anymore.
Lionel has shown nothing but love and grace for both the victims and their families and his son. I really hope he continues to do well
I don't know how Lionel can be doing well knowing what his son did. How does it not haunt him every minute of his waking hours
He passed away 11 months after his wife died.
Forgiving DOESN'T mean condoning or accepting. Forgiving releases the injured person of heavy burdens that lead to further destruction.
Both father and son speak identically it's insane
They remind me and my ex and his father.
He reminds me of my uncle John it’s like looking at the same picture of my uncle
The fact Lionel can forgive Jeffrey but not himself is wild 😢
7:18 he doesn't look happy. His smile doesn't reach his eyes at all and his mouth stays flat at the ends with no curve. He's forcing a smile already.
Just like most people when asked to smile for a photo
It is absolutely ridiculous to expect Lionel Dahmer to apologize for what his son did!! Any of us who have raised children to adulthood know that we can’t control the acts of adult children!! Jeffrey himself “owned it” with regard to his acts. He specifically said “It wasn’t anyone else’s fault. It was me. I was the problem!” So why do people want to blame Jeffrey’s parents for what he did?? I’m a professional who has been in the “people business “ for many years . Dr. Phil, you should know better than to shift the blame!!🤔
Seeing that old footage of J D childhood hurts...like how could an innocent looking kid could've turned into that bastard, how's humanity going to end up like... how would it be if his father didn't encourage that behaviour thinking it was inoffensive, would the victims have a change to be alive if he would have gotten help in the past? These type of things are just so unbelievable
They all seem fake and lacking emotional depth, even Jeff as a child.
I have great empathy for his father. Anyone in the world would crumble over the weight of this.
You don’t just “go into a period of extreme shyness.” Something happened to that kid.
Adriana Lima was extremely shy. Shyness is just what it is.
@@ShyerLady Sometimes, but not this way. I myself “suddenly became shy,” according to my parents. They didn’t know Id been molested.
@@donnacaldwell3267 Yea true. Sorry to hear that bless your heart.
THANK YOU
@@donnacaldwell3267 he was diagnosed with BPD and STPD... specially STPD is also behavioral disorder.
Forgiveness doesn't mean the pain or trauma vanishes
True, but it eases it. You can’t move on if you are holding on to something
This whole story makes me sad for everyone involved including Jeffrey. I just hope every victim is in heaven
why wouldn't they be?
@@FeelTheLack bc not everyone goes to heaven…
@@FeelTheLack not every victim is a good peson in their own lifes yk☠
“May god forgive you, but I won’t”
Simp
The parents dropped the ball. Lionel was a coward not to confront Jeff early on about the numerous red flags and warning signs.
I agree
I don't know why Lionel dissected those animals with his son and showed him how to use acid on them. It left a big impression on Jeff
And after him being arrested he was there like the boy was innocent I don't like this old man
This is such a grade school level comment that blatantly lacks basic understanding.
Yeah red flags you know there's millions of kids showing red flags on daily basis and less than 0.0001% of them will ever become killers, not to mention serial killers.
It's always easy to point finger in retrospect, but just as a warning you will be judged by the words you have spoken. Your own measurements will be used against you.
Can anyone else see that the father is only describing what is seen in the family reel? It's like he's literally narrating from a scrip made for the reel, there's actually no personal account of any particular detail of his entire childhood, all he's saying are the typical thing that people play to pretend to. Nothing happens in a vacuum, and the father is not owning anything, "Jeff" now was an entire Angel and only was "off" when OTHER people seem him doing so, never in from of their parents. come on. He never laid a hand on him and he regrets it? Really, cause everyone got spanked at least once back in the day. He's lying and hiding the truth like a good Narcissist parent do.
Thank you! Someone here with some common sense! Plus, he was abusive to Joyce! He’s definitely hiding something.
Exactly! I think there’s some deep family secrets.
Ive always had an issue with his projection
True, and he once said he had thoughts of killing people
ive read his book and youre right, in this interview he barely says anything but in the book he admits to helping jeff decompose animals and save their bones etc
Asking for the victims to forgive Jeffrey is not fair. He didn't pay for what he did. He boasted about what he did showing no remorse causing another inmate to kill him!
He wanted to die. That's why he taunted the other inmates, so that they would kill him. He could have served his whole sentence in segregation, but he wanted to go to general population even when everyone told him not to do that or he would be killed. But that's what he wanted.
You forgive to set yourself free... it's not about the other person who hurt you but about your personal freedom
Forgiveness is for the victims benefit. It doesn't mean that anything that happened was ok.
I think it's totally fair tot ask them for forgiveness. It's also fair for the victims to choose not to.
@@alexlazzerly3677 True. And people that refuse to forgive are doing a dis-service to themselves. Because forgiveness is an extremely healing thing to do. It's not easy but its very important. Forgiveness doesn't have to do anything for the perpetrator. You don't even need to tell that person. Forgiveness is entirely about the victim getting to move on.
He looks so normal yet so disturbed.
Not sure lionel has really accepted how sick his son was
It’s hard to picture ur kid killing people in that way especially. I could see why if Thts the case
I agree
absolutely agree. i wonder why Jeff's mom has not been interviewed - I blame her more that anyone for Jeffs demise she just abandoned Jeff Lionel was there too much and that imbalance made Jeff want men more than woman
I figured this when he was the one who refused to let scientists explore his brain post autopsy. they wanted to figure out what could have made him sick but he probably used Jeffrey wanting his body to be buried as a whole as an excuse to not find out how sick he was (considering it would have been cremated anyway and could have been put together after)
@@boydownunder007 Because she’s dead. She died in 2000 from cancer.
Mental health therapy was not prominent back in the 1970’s. This entire generation suffered without assistance. So terribly sad.
Asking for forgiveness as one thing, but saying he paid the price is so unjustified, he tortured in the most gruesome barbaric inhumane way to so many people and he was killed quickly they don’t compare
Exactly but where is part 3?
Not to defend him but torture wasn't really part of Dahmer's killings. He preferred to kill his victims fast and quick.
kudos to this guy for doing interviews still
Jesus Dr Phil just bursting at the end there made me jump
His father is as much a victim as the families of the murder victims are also victims. It is just a sad, tragic tale. I can't even imagine the horrible guilt and pain his father has had to also endure from all of this.
You never pay the price when you’ve taken multiple peoples lives… you’ve altered the world permanently, you’ve altered the future permanently.
The dad's eyes don't look sorry,it's like blank,no emotion
4:36
"Jeff was happy because there was a lot of things to eat."😱
A lot of hearts to eat
Jeffrey was an extremely overly sensitive child that didn’t know how to express his need for love and attention. He craved emotional closeness from a male. Unfortunately it led him to take a course for the worse.
exactly. I'm not saying I sympathize with the killings, but that anger and abandonment had to come from somewhere. I feel sympathy for him only because of the abandonment from his mother, the bullying at school, if his parents wouldve seen the signs before hand then maybe he couldve gotten help.
@@tonyabarrett822 his mom didn't abandoned him. 🙄
@@8luvbug did you not do your research? His mom left him at the house alone while her and his younger brother ran off to his grandmas house, the day of his graduation, that to some people would be abandonment, get educated pls
@@tonyabarrett822 I've done plenty of research on this case. You clearly got your information from the inaccurate Netflix series. Now YOU please go get educated on what REALLY happened.
the only thing that irks me is that Lionel asks for the victim’s family’s to forgive the man that coldly murdered their loved ones just because jeffrey is dead now
RIGHT and he kept trying to clarify it more and more
He wants the victims to experience the benefits of forgiveness. Its a huge step to forgive and forgiveness has absolutely nothing to do with the perpetrator. It doesn't mean that anything done was ok. Forgiveness is all about the victim trying to move on.
I would have liked to hear dr. Phil's opinion regarding the outcome of that 'so-called insanity trial'..
All the mental health experts involved had different perspectives on Jeffrey's sanity
The moulding stage of a child is important,with no direction he can go astray and that's the time his parents left him,not blaming them but any child for that matter
these episodes of dr phil is more than pure art
His face is so emotionless, like Jeffs
You can see emotion in his face
Just my opinion
I think he is atypical
They must have him on medication for the interview to calm him down . He is old and they don’t want him to get upset .
Are people really this mind numbingly stupid 😂. Have you really not seen just how many perfectly normal people speak like this. Not everyone is an animated speaker
The thing is his father would never have thought he would commit such heinous crimes. He found out about a few odd things. But i doubt he ever thought oh my sons probably going to become the worst serial killer in America. To me he seemed to be a very loving father in the family home videos. No one could ever truly know what goes on in someone's mind. Not even your own children's.
I can't imagine how much greif, guilt and utter horror Lionel and his wife felt when they first learnt what their own son did. They must've been wondering and trying so hard to figure out what they did wrong when raising him since that.
No one can imagine that your own child could become a murderer, even less a serial killer. Lionel certainly noticed that Jeffrey had some mental issues and lacked social skills, but no parent would consider the possibility of a child committing those atrocities.
As an outsider to the American culture both the parents were responsible for his abandonment issues - he was an unwanted child who chose a wrong path!
I think there’s always been this push to blame his mother with wild accusations of issues without proof and she strongly denies them but I’ve always believed it was Lionel who was the problem in the home and he has the issues frankly.
He’s been off to me from the get go….
His mom wanted them to study his brain and Lionel didn't want to, but he mentions wanting to get to the bottom of it and figure out why his son was that way or made him that way? He knows that his brain might look just like his sons. I feel bad for him but then I don't
I mean how so?? No one is perfect on this earth. Lionel is not to blame for what his son did. Period. He always loved Jeffrey and tried his best.
Same! Media latched onto Lionel because he’s a man and they love blaming mothers
The pills no doubt had an effect despite what Joyce said. You can't even drink 2 plus cups of coffee or drink alcohol at all with a baby inside.
Dissection of his brain wouldn’t show much if anything at all. His mom was abusive, and wanted to deflect everything. She abandoned jeff and took the brother. Nor did she visit or call Jeff after she left. Lionel wanted to know how this started and why. You won’t get that from a dissection of Jeff’s brain.
He could be a veterinarian, a surgeon, if he liked exploring biology. He was misdirected. Bullying at school didn't help. Sexuality too.
The mother looks super cold, the father distant and almost emotionless.
Not the mother
I feel so sorry for his parents it's really Not there fault 😔
Their *
It is their fault, if your child collects roadkill in a bag as a hobby, that's a huge red flag to any normal parent.
@@ZaraMurphy1001 Me and my brother would pick dead animals and we did just fine. I’m sure back then in the 70’s it was no big deal, was just entertainment. Was better than cruel, murderous video games.
@@EVNL576 yall are disgusting
@@ZaraMurphy1001 🤣
@@ZaraMurphy1001 I would be ok if my kid would be actually doing taxidermy but if he’s just doing it for fun I’m putting him in a psychiatric ward
Forgive him his dads bonkers aswell..
If you compare the father’s interviews vrs the mother, he takes accountability of his parenting compared to the mother. It was claimed the mother had seizures during her pregnacy and was given extreme medicine from the dr during a home visit. Yes back when dr’s came to your house. Everything was different back then but the mommy takes this as “blame’’ and denies it ever happened. Its not about blame, its seeking answers, warning signs missed and what can help others not to do with their own child.
I can only imagine how he felt when he found out the truth about his son
This man is weird, it's even weirder that no one can see it😐
Dr Phil IS a creep.
You’re probably weird too.
Ohh I see it!!!! I wouldn't want to be in the same room as Lionel. We is weird AF!
I’ve always thought he was creepy. He’s a jerk.
When he said “I have had friends who also collected dead animal bodies” like Jeff did… like I feel like he was talking about himself and not “friends” of his …
The father has issues also.. he’s mental himself . He tan off w the new girlfriend and left his son also. Shame on both the mother and father 🥲
My cousin also was interested in dead animals and their insides but he became a vet surgeon.
It’s so uncomfortable watching him eat even normal food 🤢
The father look good for a 80+ yrs old man
This interview was probably 15+ years ago. He looks a lot older now. He did an interview in 2020 where you can clearly see his age.
If Jeffrey had been born a couple of decades later none of this would have have happened. He would have been a video gamer furry instead.
good job honoring the victims and not focusing on the perpetrator Dr. Phil.....🙄🙄
Dudes a hypocrite. Bashes the Netflix show and does the same thing
@@batmang9014 💯💯💯💯 Most of his shows are of him using people's pain and mental health issues for exploitation and views. There's a reason he doesn't have his license. And he'll claim its to "help" them.... sometimes he fixes them up with his doctor friends or whatever, but he's a piss poor excuse of a "Dr.". and always bragging about his credentials 🙄 and his wife's fake skincare line when she got enough surgery to the point where her face doesnt move and she looks like one of those blow up dolls when she does her "shocked" look that the cameraman always catches... 😳😬
sorry needed to vent my dr. Phil frustration 😂
Biological mom looks like a Hollywood actress
How could they not know 🙄 I believe they just didn't want to know but they knew
No one could think that.. it's insanity.
girl shut up and have some respect ffs☠
He truly has lost everything.
In any interview or footage of Lionel speaking, he comes off as emotionless and cold. His face is almost mask life, and when he speaks it is always in the same monotonous tone. I feel uncomfortable watching him because I can not read him.
his father lied about road kill part from what i recall jeff said his father would help with the road kill as showed how to clean fish and some of the stuff in his book down clabrate with what jeff said
Forgiving means accepting his crimes. You can not forgive a monster like that.
It’s interesting Mr. Dahmer really looks good for his age man has went through so much debauchery and manifestations and all kinds of demons that he had to deal with when his son died yet Mr. Dahmer looks good
Jeff was so gorgeous, and he got it from somewhere!
I find it so weird that he asks for others to forgive dahmer and says that he has... like bro that is not your place at all. He is not a victim here
Poor poor victims, families, friends ... and this murderer's parents. I do not think you can forgive these horrendous crimes. I hope the victims' families can kind of forget, but I do not think that you should be expected to forgive.
My first question would have been, did you notice any warning signs while he was growing up?
Little Jeffrey looked so happy as a little boy. I feel like he still had a tiny little purr piece of his inner child in his heart, and that’s why he had to drink all the time.
He had to be in so much pain. I hope his victims and their families can forgive him and they all find peace.
His father doesn’t seem so innocent to me.
There is NO forgiveness for what that evil monster did!
Ya'll can't blame the parents clearly even jeff said that the only one to blame for his actions were himself ...NOT his father
Sociopaths are made, not born.
Parents, spend time with your kids!
A human being is so much more complex than just one's chilhood or relationships with guardians
They are born, too.
Your comment is ignorant.
sociopaths are born that way or are predestined to be that, but childhood trauma associated with sociopathy can lead to become a serial killer.
@@KidsWithGuns1992they aren’t born. They are created
Sad for the father to don't paid attention to his son.
As a gay Man U can tell that boy was a baby gay. I bet that was a big part of his insecure cold mindset.
As a straight woman, I agree. I've always believed ppl are born gay and I see it in him as well.
I cannot believe I found 2 delusional people, nobody is born a certain sexuality, you figure that out truly in your teens lol.
@@JG_SmileSOBright nobody is born gay , it's something u figure it out later in life
tf baby gay ? hun being gay is something u choose not born with
He and his wife ignored Jeff in his main moulding stage
I feel for Lionel because that’s gotta be the hardest situation to possibly be in as a father. In part 1 of the interview Dr. Phil seemed to wanna hammer home the idea that Lionel didn’t do his job as a father, and missed all these warning signs and stuff. And here in part 2 he’s kinda doing it again. I mean it was just frustrating to watch because none of us could ever possibly understand how hard it is to be a father under those circumstances.
I think the father is a bit messed up too. “Jeff” will never be able to pay enough for his crimes.
I feel so bad for his father. I kind of wonder if he kinda knew what was going on when the box had the head in it, n gave Jeff a chance to get rid of it. He loved his son so much
One of the biggest issues i have is with the photos of Dahmer ages 11-14 and Lionel describes him as happy,i don't see happiness whatsoever i think he was wearing a mask of happiness/pretending to be happy because it's likely nor he or his brother grew up in a home where emotions were talked about
Could it be the father is hiding something?
In this specific interview yes, he’s not giving up all info. He did admit that he had the same thoughts as Jeff, he just wasn’t as impulsive as he was
Asking him if he has anything to say to the families is a really weird question
There is also such a thing as generational curses.....that's scriptural as well.
May grace and mercy abound.
Not everyone wears their heart on their sleeve & shows emotion, doesn’t mean Lionel doesn’t feel or is cold.
Unfortunately his father and mother are the number one reason he became this way. He was left alone for months while being a heavy alcoholic. He committed his first murder when he was left alone for those months. I think his father and mother didn’t pay much attention to Jeff. Abandonment is all mental
And people act like they are victims.
Absolutely. Those are his youthful years not teenage one. Other than the fact that his mother left him when he's 18, his parents also divorced.. The most important stage of a human is their developmental years, which they weren't able to pay much attention with. It's sad it ended up that way, even if we blame his parents.. we can't change things anymore. I think his father is a good man, he sure tried. I hope he forgave himself though.
Nope. Something is very wrong here.
I don't trust his father. Look the ways he talking! It is too hard to understand : his son so good, and interesting man!
I don’t trust him either.
Its not appropriate to ask family of victims to forgive the murderer, citing the bible. Its too forceful and pretentious.
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Poor man😢😢😢
I’m all fairness even though he played with dead animals I don’t think anyone would assume he would be killing 17 people. As parents we don’t ever put our minds there about our children.
Lionel isn’t to be blamed.
Those parents are kind of creepy!
they really are not , get yo eyes checked