You forgot to mention the extremely subtle, yet really appropriate, ending scene where we see Dante truly establish his "Devil May Cry business". Whereas in the beginning, the place was falling apart, Dante was dressed practically like a bum(no shirt, boots untied, worn pants), now he was well-dressed(showing professionalism), his place was styled with trophies and memorabilia, and he even had the sign up. Most importantly was the three added details to his new shop: 1. A picture of his mother on the table to remind him of his humanity and loss, the driving factor of his job and power. 2. Sparda. Where as he once wielded Rebellion to symbolize his personality of an outcast who "didn't have a family" and believe in nothing, now he accepts his Father and Family along with the role of protector which the true wielder of Sparda should be. 3. His bloody glove. The glove reminds him of his sacrifice to be who he is today, along with a reminder of humility. He knows never to thirst for power so desperately, no matter the cause, so as to prevent himself from falling off the path like his Brother. It also reminds him that despite how dark things might become, we can all find our way back to the light. Much like Vergil tried to do at the end.
That "Fuck you" dialogue was shocking and hilarious when I first heard it, like who TF decided to green light those lines 😂 that whole boss fight in general was fucking weird 😂
One of the best games that ever dropped in sonys catalog period. I remember the first release for ps2. It's was beast. Huge fan of this game arguably the best devil may cry game in the series......
This was a very good video, similar to what I am working on at the moment; currently tied up with Persona 5 editing. Glad to see there are some who genuinely enjoy this story and find all the good points, as opposed to every other person who dismisses this series, even 3, even from people I respect like Jim Sterling.
I had always read that as an implication that, like Arkham, the sacrifice of her mother made Lady a low level demon as well. That being said, holy hell, good catch
Actually, in the CG art, her eyes seem to be green and pink, not blue and red. They also look more green and pinkish red to me in the games. Still, good point.
It kinda makes me sad people think that all DMC games present stupid story for the sake of showing crazy action. I've been saying this FOR YEARS, DMC's story is great, especially 3. It has good symbolism, good humour, and it also recontextualises 1's story.
*Na, it's just Shakespearean literature mixed with Castlevania and 90's edgy anime. The game works perfectly and it's self aware of what it is; A superficial story in every aspect, it doesn't try to give you unnecessary dept, it doesn't need to. Dmc 3 accomplished more with less. Less exposition, Less excess dialogue, less characters, less bs we usually get in books, films other games etc.... it cuts off the excess fat and it gives you a super lean and clean piece of work.* This game has little exposition, well arkham and lady do most of the exposition but Dante doesn't do the audience any favors when it comes to explaining the events that are unraveling but whenever he feels like it he makes the story more understandable and helps the story progress with simple one liners. That is the result of lazy writing and brilliant writing depending on how you look at it. This game is both brilliant and bad when it comes to story telling. Is the divine comedy combined with Shakespearean tragedy. The reboot added a lot more to Dante and made him human in every aspect so much some people call him emo because he is very emotional and he feels real so real he comes off as dick and annoying for half of the game. The reboot is a prequel of the prequel that is dmc 3 *That Dante had layers here's why:* Reboot Dante if you really played the game is a kid that has been homeless, grew up between juvenile prison and the streets he's literally a city white trash... He's been rejected and oppressed his whole life, can see demons, has superhuman capabilities and can't relate to nobody. Despite all this he's always skeptic in who to trust but is always optimistic and makes the best out every situation with a realistic approach which translates to "Fuck you" seriously fuck everything cause his entire existence and life makes 0 sense. That's just the beginning of the game since prior to that he lived with no purpose and didn't had any love ones. * *2.* DmC Dante is a hero and has morals, he served and put his life on the line for the same individuals that imprisoned him and rejected him, abused him humans. At first he didn't wanna do it because he had insecurities, anger and didn't know who he was Once he learned the truth of who he is and controlled his power he is given the choice to take over the world alongside with the only family member he has and the only person he can relate to. GUESS WHAT HE DID??? He gave it all away for humanity, his brother, the chance to rule it all... *3.* Dante never saw himself as anything greater than a regular human. He was cocky, annoying and mouthy yet humble when the moment of truth came. This is he had in common with the original Dante. They are both the same person the thing is dmc Dante was way more emotional and acted realistically with a real dialect a ghetto kid from the slums would use.
To me it would've been interesting to see the dmc 3 reboot since the tension was built in the 2013 reboot and it looked like it was going the dmc 3 route with Vergil becoming obsessed with power and revenge, a solid back story to Dante and character development from emo to hero. Also dmc Dante obtained white hair and it grew out a bit. Dmc 3 happened after 1 year Dante and Vergil face each other, so the reboot fits in perfectly. Too bad we probably ain't gonna see it. To me the original saga was mediocre with 1 and 3 been my favorite and they are both short games, 2 and 4 are ok I guess. The franchise has always been mostly hype I'm not gonna lie. I grew with it, love the combat system, 22 years old now and just got done replaying dmc 3 in ps4 on dmd mode but is not as great as people make it seem... well based on Reviews, inconsistencies, capcom, sales, my own opinion.
The stories of the series are dumbed down for the sake of going over the top. But DMC3 is the only game that got it right when it cines to story, characters, and, gameplay.
I was going to do my own video on DMC3's narrative but I'm so glad I didn't. You detailed why I've been praising this game's story for years and why I always argue against the idea that it's a 'stupid story'. When Lady shoots Arkahm at the top of the tower and her laughter slowly turns to uncontrollable sobbing, I lose it. I don't mean crying wise, I mean I get angry that someone sees that, after everything she's done and represents, and say the story is bad. Fantastic work.
The best part of this, and the main thing that I think elevates it, is that almost none of this is ever explicitly laid out to the player, it's all subtext and nuance in scenes played off as nothing more than schlock Vergil doesn't have to explain his motivation to you, he can just grandstand about chasing power like a cheesy cartoon villain, and the game trusts its audience to make the underlying connections on their own This game is deep, and not fake art house deep, but legitimately layered and filled with meaning
This deserves more views, people always used DMC as an example of bad storytelling, bad voice acting, excess of over the top action and goofiness and I remembered that I used to counter these arguments with this game in forums over a decade ago. Eventually I also started thinking that maybe I was looking too much into it and that the franchise should only be considerated for it's gameplay elements. This game touches some very important themes that occur daily in our lives, like hatred, hardships, forgiveness and redemption, which communicated through both cutscenes and gameplay and are shamefully overlooked. And your video also explains very well the difference from DMC3 Dante and Vergil's characters in comparison to its reboot counterparts(even if not intended, lol). I can only hope that capcom learns from this game during DMC5's development. If that game turned out to be the last in the series, but having improvements over the DMC4 combat engine, having a strong story expanding the conceps stablished by this game(Dante, Nero, Vergil, Trish and mundus together would be perfect for this) and being a complete 'fully fleshed out' experience with enemy and boss variety, with high replay value on its missions, I would be satisfied.
Bad VA? Maybe in 1 and 2. DMC3 and 4 have some pretty decent voice-over. As for the cheesiness and over-the-top action, I think it's part of the appeal. It's not meant to be serious at all times nor to be taken seriously. It's goofy, carefree anime action. On top of that, DMC3's script does have its issues, but it's structured in a competent way (with proper character arcs, good five-act structure, mid-story plot twist, climax and ending that ties up all the subplots), it has some touching moments and bits of great performance (see Arkham's death - Lady's VA just nails it). The cutscene directing and fight choreography isn't something to frown upon, either. Just because it's "dumb entertainment" doesn't mean it's not written and executed in a good way.
Many modern fiction tries to entertain the reader with as complicated story and characters and possible, but ultimately isn't even sure the themes it's trying to convey. In the end, things like the world building only needs to be as complicated as it needs to be, but people often got their priorities wrong.
When i first beat vergils 3rd fight dmc 3 as a kid i was ecstatic and then after the cutscene i was crying that shit just hit me somehow and still does
@@nyx9208 i was raging during that fight lol. My ex(we were together at the time) was asleep and I woke her up with my rage. She came out and hugged me then said "Kick his ass! You got this!" That helped me focus and win
I feel like no one really WANTS to kill their family if they have any heart. Unfortunately, there are circumstances which will call for their death for the good of the many.
Atleast it’s not the DmC reboot Dante. In DMC3, Dante swore that he will stop Vergil from basically undoing their father’s work. That’s his reason for fighting late game. He’s only willing to kill him if that’s what it takes. In DmC reboot, Vergil wasn’t antagonistic to Dante in anyway and generally cared for him as family. What did he do wrong? Suggesting to rule the world with an ideology that made sense. (we are the very same species that murdered people over skin colour, we are stupid) And what does El Donte decide to do? To kill the only family member he has left. Without even trying to understand him or listen to him and antagonizing Vergil in the process. You know what? I can take that. That probably just shows how determined El Donte is with preventing a second Mundus. That’s fine, I don’t agree with it but I would’ve understood if that was the case. But nope, a simple “please” from his drug addicted goth gf that jacks off squirrels to extract their semen is what it takes for him to go back on his previous decision. F**k consistent character writing and f**k the reboot.
@@RandomPerson-cm2wg how can we even consider DmC .. a truly devil may cry game?? heck, I'll get interested in that game if they decide to atleast change the title of the game and name of the characters
I always felt like the first 3 DMCs were had a particular atmosphere of levity within the darkness, which in turn makes that darkness more palpable. I think the fact that Dante is so human, and is always at risk of making mistakes due to being an idiot savant, is what makes me feel like that. It's a unique blend of European gothic architecture/tone and dumb anime wackyness. Love it, and loved this video of yours!
DMC 2? Capcom did a weird thing with the releases, skipping immediately to DMC3 after 1, so the first 3 games were 1 3 and 4. Kinda like how Square Enix has so many titles that are totally nonsensical and include made up words. IDK what they were thinking.
T'was an old username and I'll change it soon. I rescind my statement in retrospect. RE5 and 6 have nothing on DMC2 when it comes to being a franchise train wreck.
As a DMC fan who liked every single character I am SO THANKFUL for this explanation especially to younger fans. I always tried to put it in words (and many hate Lady, - but she had it tough; - very) but I've failed miserably. So thanks for this video in 2018 that finally afters many years (from 2005) explains the awesomeness of this gem and the characters/storytelling. THANK YOU!
So happy to hear this game's story getting the praise it deserves. A simple story, and yet the care that was put into telling this story through the mechanics gave it so much depth and subtlety that has gone unrecognized for far too long.I can only hope that the re-releases of the trilogy and ridiculous amount of crossovers in recent days will spark interest for newcomers, and build up to the true Devil May Cry 5 that we've been waiting for Side note: I hate the fact that I can't just abbreviate it to DMC anymore without feeling dirty
Oh, that must mean it's hard to tell them apart then, I mean they both have white hair and trench coats, after all, not to mention they're twins. You must have terrible social skills
"We are the Sons of Sparda. Within each of us flows his blood, but more importantly, his soul!" That scene before the final confrontation with Vergil was not just the best in the entire series, it elevates above so many games in general and still gets me a bit emotional in the right mood. It's also why the shitty reboot was so shitty; they were completely ignorant about the significance behind a Son of Sparda since in the reboot that title was utterly meaningless and yet they were brazen enough to keep a difficulty named after it as though they were doing us a service. Anyway, thanks a million stabs for making this. And now, on to DMC5!
I also showed that Dante is a hypocrite and bipolar. Not even hours ago he denied even having a father, yet suddenly he talks about his soul. The writing is utter shite. Also you have no fucking idea what you're talking about when it comes to the superior reboot.
@@arthurwild6563 That difference is to show his growth. You know, not being a complete static fucking character when introduced to extreme challenges, emotional, ideological and physical. The reboot is literally worse in how it treats development, as Donte literally has all his development practically by mission 3 due to "amnesia" being lifted. Talk about shity lazy writing. While Dante actually changes due to another character, slowly, throughout the entire game. Gameplay wise it can't hold up either to original games. Hence why the reboot was left in the dust for the superior previous series. It was so damn bad, that they revived the originals after a reboot. You need to learn about writing, maybe take some classes, hell read a damn book. Because if you think the Reboot's is anything compared to DMC3's than you are delusional.
I wanna say something as addition to, what you're saying in the video. I've heard a lot of complaints, that Arkham is a cliched villain, your typical hungry for power lunatic. However, I think there's one scene, that separates him from villains of that kind. It's the one, where Lady is pointing a gun at him. He goes: "What have I done wrong? Even the heroic Sparda sacrificed a woman so that he could become a legend!". He sort of implies, that the line between good and evil is almost non-existent, and that he's just a product of his environment. I think, it's an important moment, because we usually assume the villains know they're evil, but here, we see a man that has lost contact with humanity so much, that he doesn't even understand, what's good and what's evil. It realy makes me wonder, how terrible his life must've been. And I think that adds tragedy to his character, because he can't really be happy, if he doesn't fulfill that pointless dream of having more power, and/or possibly hurting more people for no reason. He's probably a sadist and/or a psychopath, but he can't really do anything about it. It's also a social commentary, on how society likes to heroify people, what with Sparda being a controversial figure, yet treated as some sort of saviour. Maybe that's what Arkham wished to be. Maybe he lived his life in the shadow of that divine figure, continuously being humiliated, maybe even by his wife, whom he calls "one miserable human being". We could never know, but I think it's amazing, how a single phrase "What have I done wrong?" opens up so many questions about a character, and also gives so many hints.
Well, yeah, but we are made aware of his view on good/evil, and that already puts him into higher league than most villains, who decide to ignore that question. But, ignoring that question automatically puts villains into good or evil category, and implies that there can't be a middle ground. It sort of deprives the villain of a huge spectrum of character development, cause now the only development he can have is to go from evil to good and vice versa. It's like the difference between showng a piece of a bigger picture vs. showing a small, but finished picture.
Pyro-Nexus You have a point. It is quite exciting. It begs the question, is sacrificing a life appropriate in some cases. But, while both did sacrifice a woman, one did it for the benefit of all. Arkham was driven by no such selfessness. It makes me wonder what drove him. It reminds me of this story told in this movie of a prince who killed his love in her sleep just so the people of the kingdom would support him and believe the queen was evil. He ruled, and was just in how he treated his people. I would think that Vergil and Dante's mother was willing but who knows. Maybe arkham and sparda aren't that different. But he is a prick no matter what his warped sense of of right and wrong is
Of course, I'm not even arguing, Arkham is a prick. I like how Vergil and Dante have totally opposing views on their father though. That's what makes Sparda so mysterious and interesting, we're given so many hints about him, but never get the full picture. Still, I wish there was a prequel game about Sparda at some point.
I think the best way I can put DMC3's story is that, "It's a simple story told well". And for that time period that is a great accomplishment for Capcom. At that time the best story I think they had done in a game was one of the Resident Evil's.
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I've been touting Devil may cry 3's narrative excellence for years so it's great to see someone else appropriately sing its praises. I'm just curious about one thing though: in your video it seemed like you were implying that Rihanna's work is deep or at least excellently constructed. I find that to be a very interesting perspective; please explain
I loved the video man I wish I had some spare cash to toss your way. What really pisses me off about that though is I just saw a 30 minute video that was supposed to be about a sonic forces critique and it was just a loop of some garbage satire with at LEAST 10 ads thrown in between. Clearly that guy was just trying to take advantage of youtube's ass of system.
your an interesting man, I will consider it once I get my patreon up and running, I already know that your a good youtuber but I admit I haven't seen every single video, keep being you and learning, have a wonderful day.
Nah, it's not youtube's fault, it's Capcom bro. Capcom are really nasty with youtube content covering their games regardless if they say good things or bad things.
Those how think 3 has a Mediocre or weak story, are likely of the opinion that only a nuanced complex story is what counts as good, which is so far from true.
Exactly, not everything has to be overly deep and dramatic to be good. Those who think that it absolutely MUST have that have a misunderstanding of what makes good storytelling. Sadly alot of people think that way.
@@supremedreams6789 Yep. Not every game needs to be The Last of Us (I love that game though.) It shows how immature games are as a medium. That people only see the worth in the super cereal games.
I must say, I only got into Devil May Cry back in May. I found out about it via playing Resident Evil and finding out DMC 1 was originally gonna be Re4. I love 1, 3, and 4, while 2 is somewhat enjoyable. I heard about the fact that 3 was almost universally accepted as the best DMC title, and I definetly share that opinion after beating all 4. Between the portrayal and backstory of Vergil before DMC 1, how Dante came to name his shop, how he obtained force edge, it does everything a great prequel should do, without causing continuity errors. It shows us how Dante has become humbled by his capabilities, and chooses to have a playful demeanor for most combat situations. We also get 2 beloved characters (Vergil and Lady), and an advanced combat system that allows the player to truly unleash their skill. I love your analysis of 3, and I agree with everything you said. DMC went from something I never had interest in playing, to one of my favorite gaming franchises, and Devil May Cry 3 is a big reason for that.
The Legendary Dark Knight Vergil you picked a helluva time to jump onto the bandwagon, my man! Now that DMC5 is announced, you couldn't pick a better time!
Alex Yeah, I really did. I had to wait a year for DMC 5 to be announced, which is nothing compared to what the OG fans had to wait for. So glad I joined this fandom, DMC rocks! Can't wait for 5, let's rock baby!
Same, I got into DMC kind of around May. I played Re4 first (for the first time as well) and gave DMC 1 a try. Since then I played all 3 DMC games. It's strange because while overall I agree that 3 is the best, the combat is a lot more fun in 4 and the overall presentation is better in 1 (the castle enviroment is a lot better designed than the tower in my opinion). But 4's few bosses and 1's fairly simple combat hold them back. Let's hope that DMCV will be as good as they promise.
When you mentioned the tower rises after the defeat of the first Hell Vanguard, it kinda reminds me of Kill la Kill when the main character standing in front of Honnouji Academy from below. Wonder if you watched the show? Though the characters in the show are written differently, there's a lot in common in terms of design and developments though. Red and Blue, Hot-headed vs Cool, Big Metal weapon vs Katana etc. It's true that the siblings are perhaps the most iconic characters throughout action game history. Vividly remembers the moment I saw Dante in the DMC remake and asked "Is that son of Sparta Vergil in this?", just like you mentioned at 7:16 lol. It kinda surprised me. Anyway I like your tone shift in Part 3. Seems like you're very comfortable with recording in front of a mic and I hope I have that ability. I guess keep practicing is the only way. Definitely learnt a thing or 2 from this video and you earn a follower here. Makes me wanna play the darn game again and do some Jump Canceling with the default button mapping. Owed a lot to this game for my love of spectacle fighters. Cheers
Great video. One of my fave games of all time, and I don't take that statement lightly. Story and characters don't have to be explicit , it can be under the surface or implied. CAN'T WAIT FOR DMC 5 YOU KNOW ITS COMING!!!!! 😆 😆
Another DMC3 video?... *Instant clicks the vid* Codex, i seriously think you're videos are amazing and having a convo/disscusion with you irl would be just as great and interesting. No matter what you're talking about, you make excellent arguments with objective points, as well as your own personal subjective statements... AND I LOVE IT! Keep up the amazing work, man!
Vergil's introduction kinda reminds me of sephiroth at the start of FF7, remember that giant snake thing that you had to avoid with a chocobo at the start? That thing would (generally speaking) mop the floor with you if you fought it. You finally get past it and see that sephiroth brutally killed one of them. At that point you're like "dang... Sephiroth did that?"
4:12 - 4:19 is my hands-down favorite line of this entire video. I don't know why, but I had to pause the video for a good 2 minutes so I could calm down and stop laughing. Something about your delivery and calling Dante a "tire fire" just snapped something in my brain and I started laughing so hard I couldn't breathe.
Keep the views coming. This one deserves it. Devil May Cry 3 is one of those games that defined the PS2 era for me. It's sitting right there next to Metal Gear Solid 3, Final Fantasy X, Shadow Hearts 2, Persona 3 and Silent Hill 2 & 3. Oh...and wait, Onimusha 3 - alot of 3s in there, lel.
Seriously best part about childhood games is that when you get older (with an older mindset) the games you used to play had so much depth to them you just weren't old enough to fathom before
Ok great story really good but I had a big brain thought that would have improved the game even further. So agni & rudra right? Fun and memorable side characters with one of the best boss fights in the game and a sick ass devil arm, they don't have any dialogue after their fight but what if they didn't shut up completely? What if Dante just told them to talk less. One of my personal problems with dmc3 is that temi ne gru isn't quite as interesting as the castle in 1 it's cool definately but the tower is a meseum to demon kind but we don't quite get the full grasp of it. What if you equipped agni & rudra and when you enter specific rooms they talk about the history and background of the place. You can even have them talk to Dante about his feelings and shit to add a little bit of extra depth to all 3. You could flesh out A & R's personality and you could push the series theme of the difference between devil and demon by showing that agni and rudra aren't inherintly evil by nature.
Yep, and people say that God of War has an amazing story and yet it's 1-dimensional compared to both DMC and Bayonetta, and yet people cannot bring up DMC and Bayo without first loudly and clearly proclaiming that they don't like the story. It's as if they're ashamed, so if they don't say this out loud, they think that you might not take them seriously, or that you might think they're immature. I bring up both of these franchises to illustrate how people will only take a story seriously when the story itself is deadly serious. Therefore it doesn't matter how shallow GOW's story is in comparison to DMC and Bayo because it's so darn serious that they blindly claim it's amazing. I think this comes from a misguided idea of what "Maturity" is. It's gamer insecurity, and it's endemic.
I'm not saying they're complex characters, but Kratos(and GOW in general) is only 20% as complex as Bayo and Dante, and that's probably being kind. These characters have subtlety, Kratos for the most part doesn't. They encompass a far wider range of moods and emotions, have many more layers to them, and DMC and Bayonetta in general express many more themes and concepts in their overall stories, especially Bayo, in comparison to GOW. I don't get it. So they're "cringy"? Is that code speak for "not deathly serious 100% of the time"? But man, I love Kratos. In some ways, he is the ultimate video game character. Anger is an emotion fit to be expressed in gameplay (more so than emotions such as sympathy, which is what a lot of games go for with cutscenes), and GOW does this better than anything else. Every animation, combat mechanic, sound effect, even the puzzles are all geared towards expressing anger through gameplay. People don't get it. They see it as a movie, their movie-mindset tells them that Kratos is an asshole. But the real point here is to make you feel that anger in-gameplay so that you feel like you are Kratos, and the anger is in service to the gameplay. I know most stories in games have nothing to do with the gameplay, and people are so used to this that the intent behind Kratos's anger has been misunderstood by many. Side note: Of course, the "story in service of the gameplay" has been totally discarded for the new GOW. Now you're not Kratos. Kratos is Kratos, and you're supposed to empathize with him like it's a movie, so the haters got exactly what they wanted, and they frame this dumbing-down as "GOW growing up and becoming mature" to make all of those people who don't get it feel good. THAT'S cringy. I could go on forever about this but, suffice to say, I'm disappointed. I don't play games to empathize, I play them to experience. I'll be giving the game a chance, but it's an uphill battle. It'll have to be extraodinary to help me see past the dumbed down combat(that's in addition to the style switch from video-game to movie-game!).
You know I was reading a book recently, and in it, the author described how when people are playing, it can look silly to an outsider, but the people playing are often incredibly serious about it, no matter how silly they look. This defines gaming. I find that DMC embodies that, and it also shows why we should stop caring what outsiders think, and why video game stories should be allowed to be fun and not always as serious as TLOU and GOW.
SwinnyUK The new GOW isn't dumb down just different. That was one of the main points to make the game about giving players more options, do your research.
I've done my research. Are you one of those guys who only plays with the Blades of Choas and mashes Sqaure, square, triangle through the whole game? If so, then it's no wonder you can't see it for the downgrade that it is. The problem with GOW is that it was made with casual players in mind so whilst there is a lot of depth to it, you can also be as dumb as you like whilst playing, which ultimately means that most people miss out on like 90% of what the combat has to offer. This is why the correct amount of challenge is important to games. If DMC3 wasn't so hard at release, that game wouldn't have as many high-level players, since they'd be no incentive to dig in to that depth. It's this problem that GOW faces I'm excited to play the game, and you can see that I have a Demon's Souls avatar so yeah, I think it's good that they're taking inspiration from a good game(Dark Souls). But is the combat as expressive as the old GOWs? Nowhere near. Not even close. Not even the same ball park. Not even the same universe!! It's not even the same genre anymore, and usually I'd say that comparing an RPG to a Hack and Slash is totally unfair. But when you're called God of War and you have the exact same main character, you're inviting that comparison yourself, right? There's no getting around that.
SwinnyUK nope, and apparently you haven't done any real research of the game according to your response. Just because the game isn't high speed nonsensical action doesn't means it's dumb down. That and the fact that you've only seen so little of the game.
When people say that this genre has bad storylines(they're usually right)...Devil May Cry 3 and Metal Gear Rising are the two that I always point to as good stories in the genre.
Small little correction that I want to spread around to help fix what is now known to be a misconception as discovered by someone under the name platinumparagon after they did extensive research into it. The difficulty for DMC 3 in the "west" was actually only for the western NTSC release due to western reporters generally saying they felt the game was on easy mode when playing the demo despite it actually being on normal. This caused the western release plans to have hard as normal, but something different happened with the PAL version. The full western release version was tested out in Europe, but Capcom found that PAL players were having a hard time with the change in difficulty so they went back on the difficulty change for the PAL release. No such testing was done for non Japan NTSC regions which resulted in the difficulties we have now. I'll leave a link to the much more detailed and sourced written post by platinumparagon in a reply to this since youtube bots aren't a fan of links last I checked.
Conveniently makes DMC3 video a few weeks after HD Collection comes out, and I'm enjoying it myself. After only playing it when I was seven years old on my PS2 and only making it past Cerberus; now, nine years later and I can't get past Beowulf lol
you can do it, just analyze his attack pattern and you will eventually beat him or just grind mission 3 and buy 30 holy water and kill him without attacking at all
Throw the rebellion at the things he stomps down. That'll take off a bit of health and might give you some healing as well. His eye can also still be damaged when it's red, though it's a lot harder to. When he starts charging, stay close to him and double-jump over it. Final charge is best to dodge-roll.
With regards to Vergil taking a moment to look at his half of the amulet in his first cutscene, it should be noted that after he takes Dante's half after Vergil 1, he takes another moment to press it to his forehead before he slicks his hair back. A very subtle touch that's easily missed, but equally important.
I gotta say, this is one hell of a deconstruct and explanation of DEVIL MAY CRY 3's strength of story. This is ONE HELL OF A VIDEO ESSAY!!! You sir, gained a new subscriber in me this day.
DMCV really delivered with this arc, tbh. Again the story is simple but well-told. In it we see Vergil start learning the same lessons his brother did. First through V and later with his choice to help Dante close the hellgate... much as he talked shit about it to save face.
What you said in part 4 really resonated with me, I love when actual consideration is given to simpler works of art Emcprophit is a youtuber who did exactly that to the zelds and metroid series, wholeheartedly recommend
I suppose people nowadays kinda miss the fact that simple story doesn't mean it's a bad story. DMC3's story was so memorable because it was simple like a fiary tale with a good morale. Well a WAY PAST COOL fairy tale but still. It reminds me about many Russian fairy tales where the main hero was ""Insert name here" the Fool" , usually "Ivan the Fool" - and it's exactly what it says - the character is a fool but it is that foolishness that allows him to follow his heart ("And now my soul says it wants to stop you!"), to easily forget offence against him (Lady shot him in the head when they first met and he didn't care) to always try to help others even at his own expense (he got into the fight with Lady to stop her, losing time to go after Arkham when he could've just let her go and allowed Lady get herself killed) and be as daring as it gets while constantly screwing up and still trying again and again and again (Yep it is Dante). And like the story of DMC3, the russian fairy tales with Ivan the Fool all were SIMPLE stories... But nevertheless it is them who stood the test of time.
That isn't a boss fight, that is torturing your player. To be fair, that seems to be why Drakengard exists, along with long philosophical debates and over the top action. Which is fine.
What about Devil May Cry 2’s final boss? (On Dante mode and All It’s different phases. That was when I definitely burned through all my items. I didn’t have much anyway.)
Nice video and I I can remember hearing that, Ninja Theory being brought to make the next, as Keiji Inafune put it, "tailored made to what fans wanted" Devil May Cry game because of their story telling finesse, though that was largely down to outside writers for both Heavenly Sword and Enslaved. DmC was the first game written and directed by their very own Tameem Antoniades and made the claim, as well as being in direct competition with Bayonetta on the gameplay front, it would shatter the myth that video game stories were nothing but mere trite compared to film, theatre and literature, assuming Antoniades did his job right... the less said about the results the better.
Erik Valdez also an extra wee side note, I always likened DmC's ending to a fate worse than debt what with human and demon worlds being merged together thanks to Dumber and Dumber
I love Dante he's like a comic book hero no one knew they wanted along with lady he is so well written and portrayed hats off to Capcom for this amazing game
I just realized when Dante's conversation with Cerberus said that he wasn't sure who or what he really was. he doesn't care who he is and his family background. Dante in DMC3 is as childish as Vergil. Dante opened Devil May Cry business just to survive, he doesn't care about humanity being attacked by demons, he doesn't care if his own brother is a bad person and he doesn't even have any motivation when it comes to Teme-Ni-Gru. Dante just doesn't like Vergil, that's all. when Vergil beats him on the top of the tower, Dante realizes that he is indeed part of a great power that comes from the Sparda. He begins to be motivated to fight or test himself. I don't know if Dante accidentally dropped himself and swallowed by Leviathan or if he did it on purpose. He was still acting normal when Arkham died and Mary blamed him. instead he didn't respond to an angry Mary and was just playing with her. But when he finds out that Arkham isn't that easy to beat and the portal to hell is open, Dante realizes that this invitation has ended in a mess. He assumes Vergil is no longer there and insists on making Mary trust him to solve this mess, Dante has realized that he and Mary are in the same boat and his strength is needed here. Dante climbs the top of the tower and enters the gate of hell and defeats Arkham because he knows that Arkham is the only person who deserves to die, before he finally realizes that Vergil still intends to master the same power. Dante never wanted to kill Vergil even though he didn't like him. However, Dante knows that Vergil is a worthy opponent and Vergil will not let himself be defeated by Dante, so Dante does not hesitate to fight with him.
This video is awesome , you pointing out Lady's motive and arc is so good Edit : You should have mentioned that Vergil's loss of his mother made him more desprate
What a wonderful video! This perfectly sums up why this game can never be dated, its gameplay, story and most importantly, its characters are utterly timeless because of all the points you made here. You deserve much more subs and views!
The one thing that really bothered me is that DMC 4 & 5's story telling, and characters have been heavily regressed into melodrama and terrible story structure. I was disappointed how they didn't take advantage of the foundation of DMC3 of story and characters to a whole nother level. I really hope Capcom make improvements of story and characters of the series.
GREAT VIDEO! I love you man, those things about making the characters so Dante could develop himself blew my mind. I don't think I could have figured it out by myself. Thank you.
So, i can't help but comment on this, so in Dmc 3 Dante's motives and drive are fuzzy, on the surface he basically plays Vergil's game on a whim, but it's not like that, he has to play Vergil's game, deep down Dante still loves his brother, he remember who they were once, and there's quite a bit of masked sadness between them, Dante masks it less than Vergil does, anyway i just wanted to say that the game had a story of finding one's self and motivation similar to the rebooted DMC, Dante wasn't motivated, had not quite found himself at this point, through the game he goes through a lot of shit, that helps him find his resolve and affirm his true self, there was a lot leading up to it but they said so much through one single line he said to Lady '' Quite frankly, at first , i didn't give a damn, but because of you, i know it's important now.'' If you play the game, and get to know Dante's story, if you understand him as a character, that a lot of his personality is trauma and a tough guy act, you'l realize how much meaning that line has. This is why DMC reboot feels like utter crap to me, because i started off on dmc 3, which didn't spoon feed you story, but you could discern it from every line of dialogue , context there's a lot of character development but it's not always obvious, from every action taken by the characters, DO, don't tell incarnate.
Coming back to this video again made me remember why I truly love this series. And then I remembered DMC5 ruining everything prior with it's story retcons and dumbing-down of character motivations. Sigh...now I'm sad again.
True story: I beat Virgil 3 (the final boss) on my first try. But that's not a boast of skill - I burned through every single healing item in my inventory that I'd been accumulating throughout the entire game. Every single vitality star, yellow orb, even purple stars so I could use devil trigger to deal just that little bit extra health I'd need to keep the next hit I took from being my last. It came down to a magic pixel by the time I landed the final attack on Virgil and hit those credits. It was one of the greatest most cathartic white knuckle gaming experiences I've ever experienced in my entire life.
that guy: "i had to burn through everything in order to beat this boss. it was one of the greatest experiences i've ever had in gaming" you, an intellectual: "yeah but i bet your arbitrary letter ranking was SO bad bro hahahaha"
I guess I wasn't really right in saying this and I apologize. But it wasn't meant to be focus on the guy being bad, but more about challenging without items even if it means dying (then retrying), because I felt like the way items were implemented in the game were meant to be a clutch, and sometimes you can get more from dying than winning. I guess It came out wrong, and I did force my opinion on others too much. "i bet your arbitrary letter ranking was SO bad" Depending how you approach the game, the letter can be important or not as much. But it's not arbitrary, nor is it the most important thing, for most cases.
While I don't agree with the ridiculous argument that a child is responsible for the sins of their parents, I do agree with your video. Devil May Cry 3 delivers so much more than it's over the top action and a lot of DMC fans and reviewers failed to see this.
Codex Entry Sorry I should have been clearer. I didn't mean that you made that argument. I was referring to the game. In fact many other media are guilty of this.
I feel its more about how sometimes kids are trapped within the legacy of their parents, and goes through how each kid may react to it. (Dante rejects it, Vergil obsesses over his heritage, etc.)
The reason behind Vergil not using firearms comes from Vergil's philosophy of true power. To possess true power, one must wield the necessary skill required to achieve success in battle. Unlike firearms, with the summoned swords, one needs the resource of magic that comes from one's personal reserves in order to form those summoned blades and use them. Therefore, Vergil sees firearms as just cheap unauthentic cop-outs of real power, and doesn't use them. Unlike Dante, Vergil's style of fighting comes down to this: to take down your opponent as efficiently as possible. Only the people interested in maximizing their prowess would integrate this principle in their endeavors. The untrained amateur is reckless and wasteful. Vergil seeks to be the opposite of that. And thus, Vergil moves the way he moves in battle, only moving if the circumstance requires him to do so. But to be disciplined is also to be strict and limiting to yourself. It means to maximize what you have in your utility, yes... but it also means to disregard the possibilities outside of your zone of acceptance. And this is ultimately where Dante shines. Unlike Vergil, Dante is extravagant and flashy. He is always experimenting with new weapons, ideas, styles, and new ways of interacting with the world. The concept "Ludo Narrative" that you bring up in this video is absolutely fitting and true to the game. With weapons, we know that Dante adopts many different kinds of them (when Vergil acquires the Beowulf, he doesn't see the Devil Arm as a potentially useful tactic, but rather just so his attacks would hit harder). With ideas, Dante comes up with new perspectives, forming his own way of looking at things like after his battle and conversation with Lady, he takes ahold of the concept of _the "soul"_ and integrates that idea, which develops him more as a character. Because Dante is so high in openness, he manages to out-do Vergil in their last confrontation in DMC3. Throughout the game, Dante constantly changes and develops himself exponentially by combining various tactics and forms of attacks. This means that in battle, he will move in ways that Vergil has never seen before. Meanwhile, Vergil is undoubtedly powerful, but may eventually become readable by Dante after a certain amount of clashings. In this strange way, Dante defeats Vergil. Not through sheer power, but through his willingness to accept.
Well said, that's exactly why I love how it shows in the gameplay of DMC3, Vergil having a much more powerful and limited moveset but at the same time so complete when used in junction properly.
I about 98% agree with ya. Personally for me, I prefer DMC4. DMC3 objectively has a MUCH better story, but 4's gameplay was sooooooooo satisfying, including Bloody Palace in turbo. I also loved Nero as a character, and the fact that so much was left unsaid. This made a 5th installment so high in demand for so many years, and has the fans rejoicing and praising it. Not to mention using the Devilbringer in those boss battles. That's was beautifully implemented, especially while using Deviltrigger to add on to the already badass DB moves. The fluidity of the combat....oh my golly gee. I for one was OK with DMC2's story, it was the gameplay that got me. I mean DMC reboot's characters were so god awful, but the gameplay(while waaaaay too easy) was at least somewhat fun. DMC2 has some of the driest, disappointing gameplay in any game. I'm just glad we saw some of Nero's combos in DMC5 trailer are the same from DMC4, so we know combat will probably feel more or less the same(I guess more, since he's got some Quicksilver shit going on and I'm likin' dat). Butter me stoked!
This is An amazing video and insight to DMC3 it gave me so much more insight into my favorite game of all time I never realized Vergil wasn't truly the bad guy I read somewhere that Dante believes that some humans are more evil than demons themselves and I think about it and see Vergil actually wasn't the bad guy in DMC3 story he was just like Dante but different in his own ways but he was motivated by the same thing the death of thier mother and absence of their father hat trauma manifested in thier Own ways Vergil seeker power because he was fueled by fear of being powerless to stop a threat towards his well being Dante is motivated by compassion because he understand what this pain and loss feels like thus compelling him to make sure others don't have to suffer this pain it's all so sad I think this game truly defines what a Devil may cry is a catchphrase is devils never cry in this series yet Dante cries at the loss of his brother and it's so fucked up because Arkham was a mere human who did a evil dad just like a devil would and for what? Greed and power Dante and Vergil could have all gone on living life like normally but this human comes in and does what a devil would do and he's human there's so much depth to this game it's unreal how people don't see it..
My younger brother hated everything to do with Devil May Cry. He often refused to admit that anything in the series is even remotely halfway “ meh “ ok Still , I watched him on the edge of his seat watching me struggle to deliver that final blow to Vergil. He watched me play the whole game and ironically became invested in the story. But once I beat Vergil in that last fight , I cheered cuz it took a few tries to even get Vergil to that low of a life bar , he told me to shut up because he wanted to see how it all ended. Still he won’t play them and just watches me play but now he will admit to liking Vergil and Dante. What annoys me is I have to keep explaining how nelo Angelo is Vergil and how Nero ties into everything. Side note / ps To this day I just hesitate to deliver that last hit in the final fight just because how much I love Vergil.
Dante is a representation of America, Vergil of Japanese. Dante is funny, loud, careless, Vergil calm, measured and focused. Rebellion is a Chevy Nova, wide, loud, mono purposed, Yamato is a Skyline, sleek, unaposing, multifacited. That was my take while playing 3.
I think Vergil is just characterized low-key as a huge weeaboo, contrasting him further with Dante who loves pizza, babes, and heavy metal. Being a Japanese game, of course the developers would bring influences from their own culture to supplement the over-the-top American action popcorn-flicks that are the main inspiration for DMC.
I can't believe your analysis doesn't have at least a million views, I come back to it every couple of months or so to refresh. To me, it's on par with Stephen Krosecz's Pirates of the Caribbean - Accidentally Genius and Shonen Anime's Biggest Problem. Among others. Anyway, rant over. Lol. Awesome content. Keep it up!
You forgot to mention the extremely subtle, yet really appropriate, ending scene where we see Dante truly establish his "Devil May Cry business". Whereas in the beginning, the place was falling apart, Dante was dressed practically like a bum(no shirt, boots untied, worn pants), now he was well-dressed(showing professionalism), his place was styled with trophies and memorabilia, and he even had the sign up.
Most importantly was the three added details to his new shop:
1. A picture of his mother on the table to remind him of his humanity and loss, the driving factor of his job and power.
2. Sparda. Where as he once wielded Rebellion to symbolize his personality of an outcast who "didn't have a family" and believe in nothing, now he accepts his Father and Family along with the role of protector which the true wielder of Sparda should be.
3. His bloody glove. The glove reminds him of his sacrifice to be who he is today, along with a reminder of humility. He knows never to thirst for power so desperately, no matter the cause, so as to prevent himself from falling off the path like his Brother. It also reminds him that despite how dark things might become, we can all find our way back to the light. Much like Vergil tried to do at the end.
I originally left it where I did because I thought the ending kinda spoke for itself, but this makes me regret not expanding past that. Good comment.
Awww This comment is so cute
"I shall put my father's sword in the most appropriate place - covering up some boobs."
@@PolarPhantom its what he wouldve wanted
@@PolarPhantom Respect my "dad" by give him laid.
Love to see we still have a community of people talking about DMC
That "Fuck you" dialogue was shocking and hilarious when I first heard it, like who TF decided to green light those lines 😂 that whole boss fight in general was fucking weird 😂
I really like how they made Virgil look like his dad that was pretty awesome
One of the best games that ever dropped in sonys catalog period. I remember the first release for ps2. It's was beast. Huge fan of this game arguably the best devil may cry game in the series......
I miss Dante devil may cry 3 ...
He is very calm, humble and rockers..
Dante ans Virgil reminds me of thor and loki in a weird way
3:32 i actually went through with it
This was a very good video, similar to what I am working on at the moment; currently tied up with Persona 5 editing. Glad to see there are some who genuinely enjoy this story and find all the good points, as opposed to every other person who dismisses this series, even 3, even from people I respect like Jim Sterling.
This video is amazing!
You’re amazing!
Really though, big fan. Thanks for watching 👍
This is the Spider-Man movie before the Spider-Man movie
Right when you said that both Dante and Vergil are foils for Lady, I noticed that Lady has one red eye and one blue eye.
Interesting...
Lind the Chaotic Heretic holy shit.......
I had always read that as an implication that, like Arkham, the sacrifice of her mother made Lady a low level demon as well. That being said, holy hell, good catch
Actually, in the CG art, her eyes seem to be green and pink, not blue and red. They also look more green and pinkish red to me in the games. Still, good point.
What are foils?
T'was an old username and I'll change it soon. Characters that are similar in some aspects but are otherwise polar opposites
It kinda makes me sad people think that all DMC games present stupid story for the sake of showing crazy action. I've been saying this FOR YEARS, DMC's story is great, especially 3. It has good symbolism, good humour, and it also recontextualises 1's story.
*Na, it's just Shakespearean literature mixed with Castlevania and 90's edgy anime. The game works perfectly and it's self aware of what it is; A superficial story in every aspect, it doesn't try to give you unnecessary dept, it doesn't need to. Dmc 3 accomplished more with less. Less exposition, Less excess dialogue, less characters, less bs we usually get in books, films other games etc.... it cuts off the excess fat and it gives you a super lean and clean piece of work.*
This game has little exposition, well arkham and lady do most of the exposition but Dante doesn't do the audience any favors when it comes to explaining the events that are unraveling but whenever he feels like it he makes the story more understandable and helps the story progress with simple one liners. That is the result of lazy writing and brilliant writing depending on how you look at it.
This game is both brilliant and bad when it comes to story telling. Is the divine comedy combined with Shakespearean tragedy.
The reboot added a lot more to Dante and made him human in every aspect so much some people call him emo because he is very emotional and he feels real so real he comes off as dick and annoying for half of the game. The reboot is a prequel of the prequel that is dmc 3 *That Dante had layers here's why:*
Reboot Dante if you really played the game is a kid that has been homeless, grew up between juvenile prison and the streets he's literally a city white trash... He's been rejected and oppressed his whole life, can see demons, has superhuman capabilities and can't relate to nobody. Despite all this he's always skeptic in who to trust but is always optimistic and makes the best out every situation with a realistic approach which translates to "Fuck you" seriously fuck everything cause his entire existence and life makes 0 sense. That's just the beginning of the game since prior to that he lived with no purpose and didn't had any love ones. *
*2.* DmC Dante is a hero and has morals, he served and put his life on the line for the same individuals that imprisoned him and rejected him, abused him humans. At first he didn't wanna do it because he had insecurities, anger and didn't know who he was Once he learned the truth of who he is and controlled his power he is given the choice to take over the world alongside with the only family member he has and the only person he can relate to. GUESS WHAT HE DID??? He gave it all away for humanity, his brother, the chance to rule it all...
*3.* Dante never saw himself as anything greater than a regular human. He was cocky, annoying and mouthy yet humble when the moment of truth came. This is he had in common with the original Dante. They are both the same person the thing is dmc Dante was way more emotional and acted realistically with a real dialect a ghetto kid from the slums would use.
To me it would've been interesting to see the dmc 3 reboot since the tension was built in the 2013 reboot and it looked like it was going the dmc 3 route with Vergil becoming obsessed with power and revenge, a solid back story to Dante and character development from emo to hero. Also dmc Dante obtained white hair and it grew out a bit. Dmc 3 happened after 1 year Dante and Vergil face each other, so the reboot fits in perfectly. Too bad we probably ain't gonna see it.
To me the original saga was mediocre with 1 and 3 been my favorite and they are both short games, 2 and 4 are ok I guess.
The franchise has always been mostly hype I'm not gonna lie. I grew with it, love the combat system, 22 years old now and just got done replaying dmc 3 in ps4 on dmd mode but is not as great as people make it seem... well based on Reviews, inconsistencies, capcom, sales, my own opinion.
they suck
@@ShinigamiUchihax2 mate the dmc reboot was utter fucking trash
The stories of the series are dumbed down for the sake of going over the top. But DMC3 is the only game that got it right when it cines to story, characters, and, gameplay.
I see it as Dante is a John Woo film, while Vergil is an Akira Kurosawa film.
Holy shit this is a good analogy
And Vergil has a katana while Dante wields western type swords
Its just because of his katana. Isnt it?...;)
An easier way of putting it would be...Vergil is the polar opposite of Dante...;)
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No, it’s more than that.
Dante is the man who practiced 1000 kicks.
Vergil is the man who practiced the same kick 1000 times.
I was going to do my own video on DMC3's narrative but I'm so glad I didn't. You detailed why I've been praising this game's story for years and why I always argue against the idea that it's a 'stupid story'.
When Lady shoots Arkahm at the top of the tower and her laughter slowly turns to uncontrollable sobbing, I lose it. I don't mean crying wise, I mean I get angry that someone sees that, after everything she's done and represents, and say the story is bad.
Fantastic work.
The best part of this, and the main thing that I think elevates it, is that almost none of this is ever explicitly laid out to the player, it's all subtext and nuance in scenes played off as nothing more than schlock
Vergil doesn't have to explain his motivation to you, he can just grandstand about chasing power like a cheesy cartoon villain, and the game trusts its audience to make the underlying connections on their own
This game is deep, and not fake art house deep, but legitimately layered and filled with meaning
its just pretending to be bad, don't bully art films :(
This deserves more views, people always used DMC as an example of bad storytelling, bad voice acting, excess of over the top action and goofiness and I remembered that I used to counter these arguments with this game in forums over a decade ago. Eventually I also started thinking that maybe I was looking too much into it and that the franchise should only be considerated for it's gameplay elements.
This game touches some very important themes that occur daily in our lives, like hatred, hardships, forgiveness and redemption, which communicated through both cutscenes and gameplay and are shamefully overlooked. And your video also explains very well the difference from DMC3 Dante and Vergil's characters in comparison to its reboot counterparts(even if not intended, lol).
I can only hope that capcom learns from this game during DMC5's development. If that game turned out to be the last in the series, but having improvements over the DMC4 combat engine, having a strong story expanding the conceps stablished by this game(Dante, Nero, Vergil, Trish and mundus together would be perfect for this) and being a complete 'fully fleshed out' experience with enemy and boss variety, with high replay value on its missions, I would be satisfied.
Bad VA? Maybe in 1 and 2. DMC3 and 4 have some pretty decent voice-over. As for the cheesiness and over-the-top action, I think it's part of the appeal. It's not meant to be serious at all times nor to be taken seriously. It's goofy, carefree anime action.
On top of that, DMC3's script does have its issues, but it's structured in a competent way (with proper character arcs, good five-act structure, mid-story plot twist, climax and ending that ties up all the subplots), it has some touching moments and bits of great performance (see Arkham's death - Lady's VA just nails it). The cutscene directing and fight choreography isn't something to frown upon, either. Just because it's "dumb entertainment" doesn't mean it's not written and executed in a good way.
Well DMCs creator left Capcom so don't get your hopes up.
Kamiya hasn't touched DMC after 1, so the main guy is Itsuno, the same guy who makes DMC5. Do not spread misinformation.
@Damsen you didnt even play yet.
So with DMC5 released, what is your take on it? Are you disappointed or happy?
I think the simplicity of the story is what made it so great to begin with if it was too complicated it would be too overbearing.
Many modern fiction tries to entertain the reader with as complicated story and characters and possible, but ultimately isn't even sure the themes it's trying to convey. In the end, things like the world building only needs to be as complicated as it needs to be, but people often got their priorities wrong.
Man Agni & Rudra were a pain in my ass when I first played this.
RandomBlackGamer Beowulf always kicked my ass
Isaac Melendez him too.
Agni and Rudra gave me scars. Even now as a dmc god I still am scared of one of them getting overpowered.
Haha cerberus revolver lv.2 go brrr
Devil May Cry 3's story is by far the best.
pain killer try dmc5 then come back
DMC5 is overall a better game, but DMC3 still has better story
When i first beat vergils 3rd fight dmc 3 as a kid i was ecstatic and then after the cutscene i was crying that shit just hit me somehow and still does
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@@nyx9208 i was raging during that fight lol. My ex(we were together at the time) was asleep and I woke her up with my rage. She came out and hugged me then said "Kick his ass! You got this!" That helped me focus and win
The only thing I disagree with is him wanting to kill his brother. Fight, yes. Stop, yes. But never kill.
Yeah. He'd do it if it meant he had to, but he never wanted to. The cutscene after his last boss fight clearly signifies that.
I feel like no one really WANTS to kill their family if they have any heart. Unfortunately, there are circumstances which will call for their death for the good of the many.
He never wanted to kill him. He had to stop him , even if it MEANT killing him. But he really cares about Vergil
Atleast it’s not the DmC reboot Dante.
In DMC3, Dante swore that he will stop Vergil from basically undoing their father’s work. That’s his reason for fighting late game. He’s only willing to kill him if that’s what it takes.
In DmC reboot, Vergil wasn’t antagonistic to Dante in anyway and generally cared for him as family. What did he do wrong? Suggesting to rule the world with an ideology that made sense. (we are the very same species that murdered people over skin colour, we are stupid) And what does El Donte decide to do? To kill the only family member he has left. Without even trying to understand him or listen to him and antagonizing Vergil in the process. You know what? I can take that. That probably just shows how determined El Donte is with preventing a second Mundus. That’s fine, I don’t agree with it but I would’ve understood if that was the case. But nope, a simple “please” from his drug addicted goth gf that jacks off squirrels to extract their semen is what it takes for him to go back on his previous decision. F**k consistent character writing and f**k the reboot.
@@RandomPerson-cm2wg how can we even consider DmC .. a truly devil may cry game?? heck, I'll get interested in that game if they decide to atleast change the title of the game and name of the characters
I always felt like the first 3 DMCs were had a particular atmosphere of levity within the darkness, which in turn makes that darkness more palpable. I think the fact that Dante is so human, and is always at risk of making mistakes due to being an idiot savant, is what makes me feel like that. It's a unique blend of European gothic architecture/tone and dumb anime wackyness. Love it, and loved this video of yours!
Ludocriticism DMC 1 and 3 were good. DMC 2 was....well....
DMC 2? Capcom did a weird thing with the releases, skipping immediately to DMC3 after 1, so the first 3 games were 1 3 and 4. Kinda like how Square Enix has so many titles that are totally nonsensical and include made up words. IDK what they were thinking.
Nevets t. Smith it’s like how they went straight from RE4 to RE7. I think they have difficulty counting.
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RE5 was very similar to RE4, and it was a damn good game, especially being one of the best co-operative games of all time.
T'was an old username and I'll change it soon. I rescind my statement in retrospect. RE5 and 6 have nothing on DMC2 when it comes to being a franchise train wreck.
As a DMC fan who liked every single character I am SO THANKFUL for this explanation especially to younger fans. I always tried to put it in words (and many hate Lady, - but she had it tough; - very) but I've failed miserably. So thanks for this video in 2018 that finally afters many years (from 2005) explains the awesomeness of this gem and the characters/storytelling. THANK YOU!
Why do people hate Lady?
I've never seen anyone hate lady, like ever. everyone hates lucia though X'D
I am absolutely not ashamed to admit that Dante was my role model. And he actually kinda still is.
Mine too.....mine too...
Every DMC fan inspire to be a bit like Dante
So happy to hear this game's story getting the praise it deserves. A simple story, and yet the care that was put into telling this story through the mechanics gave it so much depth and subtlety that has gone unrecognized for far too long.I can only hope that the re-releases of the trilogy and ridiculous amount of crossovers in recent days will spark interest for newcomers, and build up to the true Devil May Cry 5 that we've been waiting for
Side note: I hate the fact that I can't just abbreviate it to DMC anymore without feeling dirty
Das Juda Why ?
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@@rand0md00d3 You can just call the normal mainline series as DMC while the reboot can be DmC
Share nothing in common in appearance? They're twins!
With white hair!
And trench coats!
X Life they are exactly the same but different hairstyles lol.
Oh, that must mean it's hard to tell them apart then, I mean they both have white hair and trench coats, after all, not to mention they're twins.
You must have terrible social skills
hey at least the coats are different colors.
And it ends there. They’re mannerisms and personalities are far different.
Plus both have blue eyes. It's the exact same face
"We are the Sons of Sparda. Within each of us flows his blood, but more importantly, his soul!"
That scene before the final confrontation with Vergil was not just the best in the entire series, it elevates above so many games in general and still gets me a bit emotional in the right mood. It's also why the shitty reboot was so shitty; they were completely ignorant about the significance behind a Son of Sparda since in the reboot that title was utterly meaningless and yet they were brazen enough to keep a difficulty named after it as though they were doing us a service. Anyway, thanks a million stabs for making this. And now, on to DMC5!
I also showed that Dante is a hypocrite and bipolar. Not even hours ago he denied even having a father, yet suddenly he talks about his soul.
The writing is utter shite.
Also you have no fucking idea what you're talking about when it comes to the superior reboot.
@@arthurwild6563 the reboot ain't "Superior"
@@arthurwild6563 That difference is to show his growth. You know, not being a complete static fucking character when introduced to extreme challenges, emotional, ideological and physical. The reboot is literally worse in how it treats development, as Donte literally has all his development practically by mission 3 due to "amnesia" being lifted. Talk about shity lazy writing. While Dante actually changes due to another character, slowly, throughout the entire game. Gameplay wise it can't hold up either to original games. Hence why the reboot was left in the dust for the superior previous series. It was so damn bad, that they revived the originals after a reboot.
You need to learn about writing, maybe take some classes, hell read a damn book. Because if you think the Reboot's is anything compared to DMC3's than you are delusional.
@@arthurwild6563 you are just one hell of a big BRUH don't ya?
I wanna say something as addition to, what you're saying in the video. I've heard a lot of complaints, that Arkham is a cliched villain, your typical hungry for power lunatic. However, I think there's one scene, that separates him from villains of that kind. It's the one, where Lady is pointing a gun at him. He goes: "What have I done wrong? Even the heroic Sparda sacrificed a woman so that he could become a legend!". He sort of implies, that the line between good and evil is almost non-existent, and that he's just a product of his environment. I think, it's an important moment, because we usually assume the villains know they're evil, but here, we see a man that has lost contact with humanity so much, that he doesn't even understand, what's good and what's evil. It realy makes me wonder, how terrible his life must've been. And I think that adds tragedy to his character, because he can't really be happy, if he doesn't fulfill that pointless dream of having more power, and/or possibly hurting more people for no reason. He's probably a sadist and/or a psychopath, but he can't really do anything about it.
It's also a social commentary, on how society likes to heroify people, what with Sparda being a controversial figure, yet treated as some sort of saviour. Maybe that's what Arkham wished to be. Maybe he lived his life in the shadow of that divine figure, continuously being humiliated, maybe even by his wife, whom he calls "one miserable human being". We could never know, but I think it's amazing, how a single phrase "What have I done wrong?" opens up so many questions about a character, and also gives so many hints.
Pyro-Nexus
He could just be a prick who wanted power
Well, yeah, but we are made aware of his view on good/evil, and that already puts him into higher league than most villains, who decide to ignore that question. But, ignoring that question automatically puts villains into good or evil category, and implies that there can't be a middle ground. It sort of deprives the villain of a huge spectrum of character development, cause now the only development he can have is to go from evil to good and vice versa. It's like the difference between showng a piece of a bigger picture vs. showing a small, but finished picture.
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You have a point. It is quite exciting. It begs the question, is sacrificing a life appropriate in some cases. But, while both did sacrifice a woman, one did it for the benefit of all. Arkham was driven by no such selfessness. It makes me wonder what drove him.
It reminds me of this story told in this movie of a prince who killed his love in her sleep just so the people of the kingdom would support him and believe the queen was evil. He ruled, and was just in how he treated his people. I would think that Vergil and Dante's mother was willing but who knows. Maybe arkham and sparda aren't that different. But he is a prick no matter what his warped sense of of right and wrong is
Of course, I'm not even arguing, Arkham is a prick. I like how Vergil and Dante have totally opposing views on their father though. That's what makes Sparda so mysterious and interesting, we're given so many hints about him, but never get the full picture. Still, I wish there was a prequel game about Sparda at some point.
U blew my mind, thank you
I think the best way I can put DMC3's story is that, "It's a simple story told well". And for that time period that is a great accomplishment for Capcom. At that time the best story I think they had done in a game was one of the Resident Evil's.
I just watched a video about DmC Devil May Cry, and the guy said that the game did better story telling than DMC3...poor soul indeed.
Indeed no debate
Which video was it?
Link?
Sher Shah ua-cam.com/video/9tFO-BCG7Vk/v-deo.html
Seriously, that guy was DELUSIONAL!!!
And the cinematography and direction is also really good. As a film student I just now realize how well directed the cinematics are.
Dante Temen-ni-grew up a low during the events of Devil May Cry 3.
Dead Palette get out
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I've been touting Devil may cry 3's narrative excellence for years so it's great to see someone else appropriately sing its praises. I'm just curious about one thing though: in your video it seemed like you were implying that Rihanna's work is deep or at least excellently constructed. I find that to be a very interesting perspective; please explain
I loved the video man I wish I had some spare cash to toss your way. What really pisses me off about that though is I just saw a 30 minute video that was supposed to be about a sonic forces critique and it was just a loop of some garbage satire with at LEAST 10 ads thrown in between. Clearly that guy was just trying to take advantage of youtube's ass of system.
your an interesting man, I will consider it once I get my patreon up and running, I already know that your a good youtuber but I admit I haven't seen every single video, keep being you and learning, have a wonderful day.
Nah, it's not youtube's fault, it's Capcom bro. Capcom are really nasty with youtube content covering their games regardless if they say good things or bad things.
Codex Entry wow i also wanted to dye my hair white XD
just got through beating DMC 3 for the first time, amazing game.
Those how think 3 has a Mediocre or weak story, are likely of the opinion that only a nuanced complex story is what counts as good, which is so far from true.
Sander Tegneby For reals man, I mean hell, Beyond 2 Souls is a prime example of that
Exactly, not everything has to be overly deep and dramatic to be good. Those who think that it absolutely MUST have that have a misunderstanding of what makes good storytelling. Sadly alot of people think that way.
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Yep. Not every game needs to be The Last of Us (I love that game though.)
It shows how immature games are as a medium. That people only see the worth in the super cereal games.
“In Devil May Cry, a Family’s mess is always the Family’s responsibility to clean up.”
_Record scratch_
Yup, that’s gonna be important later.
I must say, I only got into Devil May Cry back in May. I found out about it via playing Resident Evil and finding out DMC 1 was originally gonna be Re4. I love 1, 3, and 4, while 2 is somewhat enjoyable. I heard about the fact that 3 was almost universally accepted as the best DMC title, and I definetly share that opinion after beating all 4. Between the portrayal and backstory of Vergil before DMC 1, how Dante came to name his shop, how he obtained force edge, it does everything a great prequel should do, without causing continuity errors. It shows us how Dante has become humbled by his capabilities, and chooses to have a playful demeanor for most combat situations. We also get 2 beloved characters (Vergil and Lady), and an advanced combat system that allows the player to truly unleash their skill. I love your analysis of 3, and I agree with everything you said. DMC went from something I never had interest in playing, to one of my favorite gaming franchises, and Devil May Cry 3 is a big reason for that.
The Legendary Dark Knight Vergil you picked a helluva time to jump onto the bandwagon, my man! Now that DMC5 is announced, you couldn't pick a better time!
Alex Yeah, I really did. I had to wait a year for DMC 5 to be announced, which is nothing compared to what the OG fans had to wait for. So glad I joined this fandom, DMC rocks! Can't wait for 5, let's rock baby!
Goodluck. Hope you don't run into the insanely bias/extreme fanboys. Its nice to see more people are playing DMC games.
Same, I got into DMC kind of around May. I played Re4 first (for the first time as well) and gave DMC 1 a try. Since then I played all 3 DMC games. It's strange because while overall I agree that 3 is the best, the combat is a lot more fun in 4 and the overall presentation is better in 1 (the castle enviroment is a lot better designed than the tower in my opinion). But 4's few bosses and 1's fairly simple combat hold them back. Let's hope that DMCV will be as good as they promise.
Best time mate one of the best Series ever made (in Gameplay and Story)
This is why I love DMC3 and why it will always be my favorite game ever. This video brought a tear to my eye, because I feel exactly the same.
When you mentioned the tower rises after the defeat of the first Hell Vanguard, it kinda reminds me of Kill la Kill when the main character standing in front of Honnouji Academy from below. Wonder if you watched the show? Though the characters in the show are written differently, there's a lot in common in terms of design and developments though. Red and Blue, Hot-headed vs Cool, Big Metal weapon vs Katana etc. It's true that the siblings are perhaps the most iconic characters throughout action game history. Vividly remembers the moment I saw Dante in the DMC remake and asked "Is that son of Sparta Vergil in this?", just like you mentioned at 7:16 lol. It kinda surprised me.
Anyway I like your tone shift in Part 3. Seems like you're very comfortable with recording in front of a mic and I hope I have that ability. I guess keep practicing is the only way. Definitely learnt a thing or 2 from this video and you earn a follower here. Makes me wanna play the darn game again and do some Jump Canceling with the default button mapping. Owed a lot to this game for my love of spectacle fighters. Cheers
I thought of this exact, VERY thing as well. You know the same could also be said about Inuyasha and Sesshomaru.
yeah i love the cain and abel trope too
Unpopular opinion: DMC 2 had the potential to be the best story in the franchise but the piss poor execution ruined it.
Great video. One of my fave games of all time, and I don't take that statement lightly.
Story and characters don't have to be explicit , it can be under the surface or implied.
CAN'T WAIT FOR DMC 5 YOU KNOW ITS COMING!!!!! 😆 😆
Another DMC3 video?...
*Instant clicks the vid*
Codex, i seriously think you're videos are amazing and having a convo/disscusion with you irl would be just as great and interesting. No matter what you're talking about, you make excellent arguments with objective points, as well as your own personal subjective statements... AND I LOVE IT!
Keep up the amazing work, man!
Vergil's introduction kinda reminds me of sephiroth at the start of FF7, remember that giant snake thing that you had to avoid with a chocobo at the start? That thing would (generally speaking) mop the floor with you if you fought it. You finally get past it and see that sephiroth brutally killed one of them. At that point you're like "dang... Sephiroth did that?"
4:12 - 4:19 is my hands-down favorite line of this entire video. I don't know why, but I had to pause the video for a good 2 minutes so I could calm down and stop laughing. Something about your delivery and calling Dante a "tire fire" just snapped something in my brain and I started laughing so hard I couldn't breathe.
i'm glad I made someone happy with that, did like 20 takes of that line to try and get it sounding good and still wasn't sure if I nailed it.
Who tf said Devil May Cry 3 had a bad story? The game’s story is godly.
People who played the game with their eyes closed and their ears plugged
Keep the views coming. This one deserves it.
Devil May Cry 3 is one of those games that defined the PS2 era for me. It's sitting right there next to Metal Gear Solid 3, Final Fantasy X, Shadow Hearts 2, Persona 3 and Silent Hill 2 & 3.
Oh...and wait, Onimusha 3 - alot of 3s in there, lel.
Shadow Hearts 2 is the most underrated game I’ve ever played imo
Also kingdom hearts 2
I knew once I saw the brand you were a man of culture
Seriously best part about childhood games is that when you get older (with an older mindset) the games you used to play had so much depth to them you just weren't old enough to fathom before
Ok great story really good but I had a big brain thought that would have improved the game even further. So agni & rudra right? Fun and memorable side characters with one of the best boss fights in the game and a sick ass devil arm, they don't have any dialogue after their fight but what if they didn't shut up completely? What if Dante just told them to talk less. One of my personal problems with dmc3 is that temi ne gru isn't quite as interesting as the castle in 1 it's cool definately but the tower is a meseum to demon kind but we don't quite get the full grasp of it. What if you equipped agni & rudra and when you enter specific rooms they talk about the history and background of the place. You can even have them talk to Dante about his feelings and shit to add a little bit of extra depth to all 3. You could flesh out A & R's personality and you could push the series theme of the difference between devil and demon by showing that agni and rudra aren't inherintly evil by nature.
Yep, and people say that God of War has an amazing story and yet it's 1-dimensional compared to both DMC and Bayonetta, and yet people cannot bring up DMC and Bayo without first loudly and clearly proclaiming that they don't like the story. It's as if they're ashamed, so if they don't say this out loud, they think that you might not take them seriously, or that you might think they're immature.
I bring up both of these franchises to illustrate how people will only take a story seriously when the story itself is deadly serious. Therefore it doesn't matter how shallow GOW's story is in comparison to DMC and Bayo because it's so darn serious that they blindly claim it's amazing. I think this comes from a misguided idea of what "Maturity" is. It's gamer insecurity, and it's endemic.
I'm not saying they're complex characters, but Kratos(and GOW in general) is only 20% as complex as Bayo and Dante, and that's probably being kind. These characters have subtlety, Kratos for the most part doesn't. They encompass a far wider range of moods and emotions, have many more layers to them, and DMC and Bayonetta in general express many more themes and concepts in their overall stories, especially Bayo, in comparison to GOW. I don't get it. So they're "cringy"? Is that code speak for "not deathly serious 100% of the time"?
But man, I love Kratos. In some ways, he is the ultimate video game character. Anger is an emotion fit to be expressed in gameplay (more so than emotions such as sympathy, which is what a lot of games go for with cutscenes), and GOW does this better than anything else. Every animation, combat mechanic, sound effect, even the puzzles are all geared towards expressing anger through gameplay. People don't get it. They see it as a movie, their movie-mindset tells them that Kratos is an asshole. But the real point here is to make you feel that anger in-gameplay so that you feel like you are Kratos, and the anger is in service to the gameplay. I know most stories in games have nothing to do with the gameplay, and people are so used to this that the intent behind Kratos's anger has been misunderstood by many.
Side note:
Of course, the "story in service of the gameplay" has been totally discarded for the new GOW. Now you're not Kratos. Kratos is Kratos, and you're supposed to empathize with him like it's a movie, so the haters got exactly what they wanted, and they frame this dumbing-down as "GOW growing up and becoming mature" to make all of those people who don't get it feel good. THAT'S cringy. I could go on forever about this but, suffice to say, I'm disappointed. I don't play games to empathize, I play them to experience. I'll be giving the game a chance, but it's an uphill battle. It'll have to be extraodinary to help me see past the dumbed down combat(that's in addition to the style switch from video-game to movie-game!).
You know I was reading a book recently, and in it, the author described how when people are playing, it can look silly to an outsider, but the people playing are often incredibly serious about it, no matter how silly they look. This defines gaming. I find that DMC embodies that, and it also shows why we should stop caring what outsiders think, and why video game stories should be allowed to be fun and not always as serious as TLOU and GOW.
SwinnyUK The new GOW isn't dumb down just different. That was one of the main points to make the game about giving players more options, do your research.
I've done my research. Are you one of those guys who only plays with the Blades of Choas and mashes Sqaure, square, triangle through the whole game? If so, then it's no wonder you can't see it for the downgrade that it is.
The problem with GOW is that it was made with casual players in mind so whilst there is a lot of depth to it, you can also be as dumb as you like whilst playing, which ultimately means that most people miss out on like 90% of what the combat has to offer. This is why the correct amount of challenge is important to games. If DMC3 wasn't so hard at release, that game wouldn't have as many high-level players, since they'd be no incentive to dig in to that depth. It's this problem that GOW faces
I'm excited to play the game, and you can see that I have a Demon's Souls avatar so yeah, I think it's good that they're taking inspiration from a good game(Dark Souls). But is the combat as expressive as the old GOWs? Nowhere near. Not even close. Not even the same ball park. Not even the same universe!! It's not even the same genre anymore, and usually I'd say that comparing an RPG to a Hack and Slash is totally unfair. But when you're called God of War and you have the exact same main character, you're inviting that comparison yourself, right? There's no getting around that.
SwinnyUK nope, and apparently you haven't done any real research of the game according to your response. Just because the game isn't high speed nonsensical action doesn't means it's dumb down. That and the fact that you've only seen so little of the game.
When people say that this genre has bad storylines(they're usually right)...Devil May Cry 3 and Metal Gear Rising are the two that I always point to as good stories in the genre.
MGR is a comedy, Enslaved is the bed of the genre imo
Small little correction that I want to spread around to help fix what is now known to be a misconception as discovered by someone under the name platinumparagon after they did extensive research into it. The difficulty for DMC 3 in the "west" was actually only for the western NTSC release due to western reporters generally saying they felt the game was on easy mode when playing the demo despite it actually being on normal. This caused the western release plans to have hard as normal, but something different happened with the PAL version. The full western release version was tested out in Europe, but Capcom found that PAL players were having a hard time with the change in difficulty so they went back on the difficulty change for the PAL release. No such testing was done for non Japan NTSC regions which resulted in the difficulties we have now.
I'll leave a link to the much more detailed and sourced written post by platinumparagon in a reply to this since youtube bots aren't a fan of links last I checked.
www.google.com/amp/s/platinumparagon.wordpress.com/2018/03/12/why-devil-may-cry-3-was-harder-in-america/amp/
Conveniently makes DMC3 video a few weeks after HD Collection comes out, and I'm enjoying it myself.
After only playing it when I was seven years old on my PS2 and only making it past Cerberus; now, nine years later and I can't get past Beowulf lol
you can do it, just analyze his attack pattern and you will eventually beat him or just grind mission 3 and buy 30 holy water and kill him without attacking at all
Throw the rebellion at the things he stomps down. That'll take off a bit of health and might give you some healing as well. His eye can also still be damaged when it's red, though it's a lot harder to.
When he starts charging, stay close to him and double-jump over it. Final charge is best to dodge-roll.
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DMC 3 has one of my favorite story's in gaming, and I love the rivalry between Dante and Virgil. Best rivalry in gaming IMO.
Devil may Cry 3 has some of the best story in a game with gameplay and story integration. Anyone who can't see that is not a true game artist.
Yeah, I like Dante Alighieri's work on Divine Comedy, what's your problem?
It's what inspired the creators and even the poet Virgil (whom Vergil is based on) is in Dante's Divine Comedy. Trish being Beatrice as well.
I really, really want a DMC3 remake. Not a remaster, but a remake. DMC3 is still one of my favorite games, ever.
I can honestly say that DMC3 is probably my second most played game in my entire collection.
Vergil, The Vegeta of Video Games.
Alberto Carlos ...the spelling’s similar, too
Alberto Carlos he's totaly different
At least Vergil was capable of defeating Dante at some point
JJC Yes!!! Also how they don't want to feel like how they did when they lost everything.
JJC hell no more like sasuke. Vergil is sasuke to a T
With regards to Vergil taking a moment to look at his half of the amulet in his first cutscene, it should be noted that after he takes Dante's half after Vergil 1, he takes another moment to press it to his forehead before he slicks his hair back. A very subtle touch that's easily missed, but equally important.
I gotta say, this is one hell of a deconstruct and explanation of DEVIL MAY CRY 3's strength of story. This is ONE HELL OF A VIDEO ESSAY!!! You sir, gained a new subscriber in me this day.
I instantly gave this video a like just for the title. :)
I love the fact that a game from 2005 is still being talked about to this day , i god damn love it!
The ultimate DMC game would be a mix of DMC3's amazing storytelling, DMC4's combat system and DMC5's graphics
DMCV really delivered with this arc, tbh. Again the story is simple but well-told. In it we see Vergil start learning the same lessons his brother did. First through V and later with his choice to help Dante close the hellgate... much as he talked shit about it to save face.
So if Devil May Cry 5 ever became a thing, what would you want it to be? Me I'd want a prequel telling the Story of Sparda and Eva.
Welp you must be disapointed
Not particularly, while true I would have liked a prequel for Sparda, I'll take Nero's adventures after 4.
What you said in part 4 really resonated with me, I love when actual consideration is given to simpler works of art
Emcprophit is a youtuber who did exactly that to the zelds and metroid series, wholeheartedly recommend
I suppose people nowadays kinda miss the fact that simple story doesn't mean it's a bad story. DMC3's story was so memorable because it was simple like a fiary tale with a good morale. Well a WAY PAST COOL fairy tale but still. It reminds me about many Russian fairy tales where the main hero was ""Insert name here" the Fool" , usually "Ivan the Fool" - and it's exactly what it says - the character is a fool but it is that foolishness that allows him to follow his heart ("And now my soul says it wants to stop you!"), to easily forget offence against him (Lady shot him in the head when they first met and he didn't care) to always try to help others even at his own expense (he got into the fight with Lady to stop her, losing time to go after Arkham when he could've just let her go and allowed Lady get herself killed) and be as daring as it gets while constantly screwing up and still trying again and again and again (Yep it is Dante). And like the story of DMC3, the russian fairy tales with Ivan the Fool all were SIMPLE stories... But nevertheless it is them who stood the test of time.
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I enjoyed the simplicity of the first Devil May Cry story. It was like a noir blown up and then some.
Vergil the hardest fight in gaming?
What about Drakengard 3 finale?
I wouldn't call that a boss fight, more of a mess. A good mess, but a mess nonetheless.
That isn't a boss fight, that is torturing your player. To be fair, that seems to be why Drakengard exists, along with long philosophical debates and over the top action. Which is fine.
What about Devil May Cry 2’s final boss? (On Dante mode and All It’s different phases. That was when I definitely burned through all my items. I didn’t have much anyway.)
"Its a good game but the story..." thats exactly what I think of the Halo series. Also I love DMC2 Dante's character design.
Linkin Park always goes so well with MLP... I knew you were a man of taste.
Pause the vid at 0:20, even though that sentence is just as great without context...^^
More DMC3 videos are always welcome. You and the GamingBrit are doing god's work.
Nice video and I I can remember hearing that, Ninja Theory being brought to make the next, as Keiji Inafune put it, "tailored made to what fans wanted" Devil May Cry game because of their story telling finesse, though that was largely down to outside writers for both Heavenly Sword and Enslaved. DmC was the first game written and directed by their very own Tameem Antoniades and made the claim, as well as being in direct competition with Bayonetta on the gameplay front, it would shatter the myth that video game stories were nothing but mere trite compared to film, theatre and literature, assuming Antoniades did his job right... the less said about the results the better.
Alex garland was the who helped write enslaved and Heavenly sword. Tameem does not deserve all the credit.
Erik Valdez also an extra wee side note, I always likened DmC's ending to a fate worse than debt what with human and demon worlds being merged together thanks to Dumber and Dumber
Single most challenge non optional fight.......bruh NINJA garden 3 final boss wii-u version
eyonex he needs to play more action games
*gaiden. And it’s opinions.
I love Dante he's like a comic book hero no one knew they wanted along with lady he is so well written and portrayed hats off to Capcom for this amazing game
I just realized when Dante's conversation with Cerberus said that he wasn't sure who or what he really was. he doesn't care who he is and his family background. Dante in DMC3 is as childish as Vergil. Dante opened Devil May Cry business just to survive, he doesn't care about humanity being attacked by demons, he doesn't care if his own brother is a bad person and he doesn't even have any motivation when it comes to Teme-Ni-Gru. Dante just doesn't like Vergil, that's all. when Vergil beats him on the top of the tower, Dante realizes that he is indeed part of a great power that comes from the Sparda. He begins to be motivated to fight or test himself. I don't know if Dante accidentally dropped himself and swallowed by Leviathan or if he did it on purpose. He was still acting normal when Arkham died and Mary blamed him. instead he didn't respond to an angry Mary and was just playing with her. But when he finds out that Arkham isn't that easy to beat and the portal to hell is open, Dante realizes that this invitation has ended in a mess. He assumes Vergil is no longer there and insists on making Mary trust him to solve this mess, Dante has realized that he and Mary are in the same boat and his strength is needed here. Dante climbs the top of the tower and enters the gate of hell and defeats Arkham because he knows that Arkham is the only person who deserves to die, before he finally realizes that Vergil still intends to master the same power. Dante never wanted to kill Vergil even though he didn't like him. However, Dante knows that Vergil is a worthy opponent and Vergil will not let himself be defeated by Dante, so Dante does not hesitate to fight with him.
Now think just think... dmc3 remastered... character designs and all stay true but in a modern graphic style
While using RE Engine.
Oh yeah capcom would rake milions and get some awards and they should include some more vergil centered story stuff
TH3 GaminG DumB that’s a sweet thought
You're not asking for a "remaster" you're asking for a remake. Get it right.
OH MY GOSH I AM SO HAPPY YOU ARE BACK! THE VIDEO WAS FANTASTIC TOO!
This video is awesome , you pointing out Lady's motive and arc is so good
Edit : You should have mentioned that Vergil's loss of his mother made him more desprate
What a wonderful video! This perfectly sums up why this game can never be dated, its gameplay, story and most importantly, its characters are utterly timeless because of all the points you made here. You deserve much more subs and views!
The one thing that really bothered me is that DMC 4 & 5's story telling, and characters have been heavily regressed into melodrama and terrible story structure. I was disappointed how they didn't take advantage of the foundation of DMC3 of story and characters to a whole nother level. I really hope Capcom make improvements of story and characters of the series.
Dante is better than Kratos fight me!!!!
Dante IS better than Kratos.
Dante is the Ash Williams(Evil Dead) of Video Games
Perhaps an even better comparison, good call
In love with this video. DMC 3 has my favorite videogame story ever, not super complex but told perfectly.
GREAT VIDEO! I love you man, those things about making the characters so Dante could develop himself blew my mind. I don't think I could have figured it out by myself. Thank you.
So, i can't help but comment on this, so in Dmc 3 Dante's motives and drive are fuzzy, on the surface he basically plays Vergil's game on a whim, but it's not like that, he has to play Vergil's game, deep down Dante still loves his brother, he remember who they were once, and there's quite a bit of masked sadness between them, Dante masks it less than Vergil does, anyway i just wanted to say that the game had a story of finding one's self and motivation similar to the rebooted DMC, Dante wasn't motivated, had not quite found himself at this point, through the game he goes through a lot of shit, that helps him find his resolve and affirm his true self, there was a lot leading up to it but they said so much through one single line he said to Lady '' Quite frankly, at first , i didn't give a damn, but because of you, i know it's important now.'' If you play the game, and get to know Dante's story, if you understand him as a character, that a lot of his personality is trauma and a tough guy act, you'l realize how much meaning that line has. This is why DMC reboot feels like utter crap to me, because i started off on dmc 3, which didn't spoon feed you story, but you could discern it from every line of dialogue , context there's a lot of character development but it's not always obvious, from every action taken by the characters, DO, don't tell incarnate.
That is so true, dude.
Coming back to this video again made me remember why I truly love this series. And then I remembered DMC5 ruining everything prior with it's story retcons and dumbing-down of character motivations. Sigh...now I'm sad again.
Well Capcom just announced DMC5 so get cracking on those kids
It sucks that DMC5 retconned/dumbed down Vergil and Dante's characters/motivations. DMC3 is still the best in the series.
Dante's motivations? Nah, same as ever.
Vergil's? You may have a point.
True story: I beat Virgil 3 (the final boss) on my first try. But that's not a boast of skill - I burned through every single healing item in my inventory that I'd been accumulating throughout the entire game. Every single vitality star, yellow orb, even purple stars so I could use devil trigger to deal just that little bit extra health I'd need to keep the next hit I took from being my last. It came down to a magic pixel by the time I landed the final attack on Virgil and hit those credits. It was one of the greatest most cathartic white knuckle gaming experiences I've ever experienced in my entire life.
I can just imagine your mission ranking.
Personally I never use items even I had to die, given how much the game discourages you to do so.
that guy: "i had to burn through everything in order to beat this boss. it was one of the greatest experiences i've ever had in gaming"
you, an intellectual: "yeah but i bet your arbitrary letter ranking was SO bad bro hahahaha"
I guess I wasn't really right in saying this and I apologize. But it wasn't meant to be focus on the guy being bad, but more about challenging without items even if it means dying (then retrying), because I felt like the way items were implemented in the game were meant to be a clutch, and sometimes you can get more from dying than winning. I guess It came out wrong, and I did force my opinion on others too much.
"i bet your arbitrary letter ranking was SO bad"
Depending how you approach the game, the letter can be important or not as much. But it's not arbitrary, nor is it the most important thing, for most cases.
actually you arent the only one, i remember back in the day, ALOT of people were talking in forums about how his last fight was probably the easiest.
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Sounds like apologist speak to me. WHERE IS YOUR MOTIVATION???
When I first saw the final scene of DMC3 as a kid, where Dante and Lady said the shops name in unison, it sent a chill down my spine.
While I don't agree with the ridiculous argument that a child is responsible for the sins of their parents, I do agree with your video. Devil May Cry 3 delivers so much more than it's over the top action and a lot of DMC fans and reviewers failed to see this.
To be clear: I didn’t argue that, that’s just what I read the game as saying and it’s a sentiment that I also ultimately disagree with.
Codex Entry Sorry I should have been clearer. I didn't mean that you made that argument. I was referring to the game. In fact many other media are guilty of this.
I feel its more about how sometimes kids are trapped within the legacy of their parents, and goes through how each kid may react to it. (Dante rejects it, Vergil obsesses over his heritage, etc.)
Just realise that Lady's eyes are blue and red like Vergil and Dante.
This is one well made video. Enjoyed it a lot
The reason behind Vergil not using firearms comes from Vergil's philosophy of true power. To possess true power, one must wield the necessary skill required to achieve success in battle.
Unlike firearms, with the summoned swords, one needs the resource of magic that comes from one's personal reserves in order to form those summoned blades and use them. Therefore, Vergil sees firearms as just cheap unauthentic cop-outs of real power, and doesn't use them.
Unlike Dante, Vergil's style of fighting comes down to this: to take down your opponent as efficiently as possible.
Only the people interested in maximizing their prowess would integrate this principle in their endeavors. The untrained amateur is reckless and wasteful. Vergil seeks to be the opposite of that.
And thus, Vergil moves the way he moves in battle, only moving if the circumstance requires him to do so.
But to be disciplined is also to be strict and limiting to yourself. It means to maximize what you have in your utility, yes... but it also means to disregard the possibilities outside of your zone of acceptance. And this is ultimately where Dante shines. Unlike Vergil, Dante is extravagant and flashy. He is always experimenting with new weapons, ideas, styles, and new ways of interacting with the world.
The concept "Ludo Narrative" that you bring up in this video is absolutely fitting and true to the game.
With weapons, we know that Dante adopts many different kinds of them (when Vergil acquires the Beowulf, he doesn't see the Devil Arm as a potentially useful tactic, but rather just so his attacks would hit harder). With ideas, Dante comes up with new perspectives, forming his own way of looking at things like after his battle and conversation with Lady, he takes ahold of the concept of _the "soul"_ and integrates that idea, which develops him more as a character. Because Dante is so high in openness, he manages to out-do Vergil in their last confrontation in DMC3.
Throughout the game, Dante constantly changes and develops himself exponentially by combining various tactics and forms of attacks. This means that in battle, he will move in ways that Vergil has never seen before. Meanwhile, Vergil is undoubtedly powerful, but may eventually become readable by Dante after a certain amount of clashings.
In this strange way, Dante defeats Vergil. Not through sheer power, but through his willingness to accept.
Well said, that's exactly why I love how it shows in the gameplay of DMC3, Vergil having a much more powerful and limited moveset but at the same time so complete when used in junction properly.
fans like you keep the series alive. and if we ever see a dmc game again it will be thanks to people like you.
I about 98% agree with ya.
Personally for me, I prefer DMC4. DMC3 objectively has a MUCH better story, but 4's gameplay was sooooooooo satisfying, including Bloody Palace in turbo. I also loved Nero as a character, and the fact that so much was left unsaid. This made a 5th installment so high in demand for so many years, and has the fans rejoicing and praising it.
Not to mention using the Devilbringer in those boss battles. That's was beautifully implemented, especially while using Deviltrigger to add on to the already badass DB moves. The fluidity of the combat....oh my golly gee.
I for one was OK with DMC2's story, it was the gameplay that got me. I mean DMC reboot's characters were so god awful, but the gameplay(while waaaaay too easy) was at least somewhat fun.
DMC2 has some of the driest, disappointing gameplay in any game.
I'm just glad we saw some of Nero's combos in DMC5 trailer are the same from DMC4, so we know combat will probably feel more or less the same(I guess more, since he's got some Quicksilver shit going on and I'm likin' dat). Butter me stoked!
100% agree with you on everything
This is An amazing video and insight to DMC3 it gave me so much more insight into my favorite game of all time I never realized Vergil wasn't truly the bad guy I read somewhere that Dante believes that some humans are more evil than demons themselves and I think about it and see Vergil actually wasn't the bad guy in DMC3 story he was just like Dante but different in his own ways but he was motivated by the same thing the death of thier mother and absence of their father hat trauma manifested in thier Own ways Vergil seeker power because he was fueled by fear of being powerless to stop a threat towards his well being Dante is motivated by compassion because he understand what this pain and loss feels like thus compelling him to make sure others don't have to suffer this pain it's all so sad I think this game truly defines what a Devil may cry is a catchphrase is devils never cry in this series yet Dante cries at the loss of his brother and it's so fucked up because Arkham was a mere human who did a evil dad just like a devil would and for what? Greed and power Dante and Vergil could have all gone on living life like normally but this human comes in and does what a devil would do and he's human there's so much depth to this game it's unreal how people don't see it..
My younger brother hated everything to do with Devil May Cry.
He often refused to admit that anything in the series is even remotely halfway “ meh “ ok
Still , I watched him on the edge of his seat watching me struggle to deliver that final blow to Vergil. He watched me play the whole game and ironically became invested in the story.
But once I beat Vergil in that last fight , I cheered cuz it took a few tries to even get Vergil to that low of a life bar , he told me to shut up because he wanted to see how it all ended. Still he won’t play them and just watches me play but now he will admit to liking Vergil and Dante.
What annoys me is I have to keep explaining how nelo Angelo is Vergil and how Nero ties into everything.
Side note / ps
To this day I just hesitate to deliver that last hit in the final fight just because how much I love Vergil.
Dante is a representation of America, Vergil of Japanese. Dante is funny, loud, careless, Vergil calm, measured and focused. Rebellion is a Chevy Nova, wide, loud, mono purposed, Yamato is a Skyline, sleek, unaposing, multifacited. That was my take while playing 3.
I think Vergil is just characterized low-key as a huge weeaboo, contrasting him further with Dante who loves pizza, babes, and heavy metal. Being a Japanese game, of course the developers would bring influences from their own culture to supplement the over-the-top American action popcorn-flicks that are the main inspiration for DMC.
@@BronzeAgePepper well put.
I can't believe your analysis doesn't have at least a million views, I come back to it every couple of months or so to refresh. To me, it's on par with Stephen Krosecz's Pirates of the Caribbean - Accidentally Genius and Shonen Anime's Biggest Problem. Among others. Anyway, rant over. Lol. Awesome content. Keep it up!
Love the DBZA rip XD