Great series. I actually think it’s underrated. And yes Juice was the dumbest one of them all. I would of told Roosevelt to kick rocks and tell the club I have a black dad.
1) Opie didn't give his life for 'the club' he gave his life specifically to save Jax. He knew Jax was going to give himself up and Opie wasn't going to allow that. He and Jax were closer than brothers. 2) Juice was so desperate for a family he latched on to the club and his fear of losing it drove him to make bad decisions, but in the end, his last act was for the club's well-being. 3) JT knew the bike had been tampered with but he knew his death was coming and he was morally conflicted. 4) Gemma was the driving force behind 90% of the bad that happened; she had a hand her husband's death, she knew how to play Clay, Jax, and especially poor Wayne and even Juice. She was, as Juice said, the 'gate keeper" who knew every secret inside every lie.
@@MaCabaret He told him it only mattered was listed on his birth certificate and added that half the guys in the club didn't know who their fathers were. Suggesting it didn't matter as long as it couldn't be proven.
Not entirely right on Opie. Opie was borderline suicidal since Donna's death and even Jax says afterwards that he thinks Opie was looking for a way out. Opie saved Jax, but that could be viewed as Opie's way out at the same time.
What I loved about this show was how you could go one minute and hate a certain character and then they would turn around and become the best character on the show. Of course I'm talking about Tig. That guy had the greatest arc in the show as far as I'm concerned. Him and Chibs man, those two guys were the best.
I hated Tig in the start, of what he did and how he was Clays dog. But he came around, and i ended up enjoying his character and voting for him as much as i did Chibs, who i really enjoyed since the start. - I had some conflicting moments when chibs turned on Jucie after jucie went 'rat' though,. since Chibs was such a good support for Juice, i thought out of all, Chibs would understand... Till the end, i rested on a sway on not knowing how exactly to feel about chibs abannonding his brother Juice like that but... And i also disliked how they all let Jax just go with the Mayham vote in the end, and ''Kill himself'' - but i guess it had to be done.. But ending note: Jax, Chibs, ''early seasons'' Tara and Tiggy for the win of characters for me :D
@@livingonearth8976 He was the Seargent at Arms, being Clays enforcer was literally his job. But he did go about it wrong. He's the clubs enforcer, not the presidents personal enforcer to be used against the club... I liked some things about Tig, but I never really liked him in general.
Saying Tig had the greatest arc on the show is pushing it. But I gained hella respect for his nasty ass after the dog & Venus. I even cried when Tig cried.
Jax says "I'm sorry" and I promise" more than any character in TV history. His character arch is nuts but he causes more damn harm than good by not standing up to his own psychotic mother.
His mom had to much say so over his life almost like a mammy's boy.I think she wanted to do her grandsons the same way she always called them her boys or babies when they were jax and Tara's and Wendy's. They should have just told Gemma get the hell out of their life and stay out.But Jax wouldn't never tell her that and then again she has a way of winning him over even if he was mad at her.She wanted all the attention and for people to feel sorry for her.Shebwanted to be the queen of the club but that would have never happened cause women isn't allowed to have anything to do with the club it's the men.i would never want to know the clubs business and get pulled into it all hell no.
@@PrinceIsot im not saying no homicide ever goes unsolved. Im saying 30 people killed at once is not usually something the cops would just walk away from. LOL- I dont think that happens all the time (except in actual international war)
What bothered me was how many times SOA partnered with another gang, only to double-cross them later. This happens like 8 times. You wonder why any other club would trust working with them ever.
Cause everyone knows about it but no one thinks that it’ll happen to them. I don’t remembered his name but when the popes right hand man took over he mentions how he won’t go down like pope multiple times and I think Henry Lin mentions them crossing the Mayans and vice verse. They all know about it but hands are tied for what they can do for business so they put it to the side for the time being
great point. as tony montana stated: only two things a man has in this world, his word and his balls, and he breaks them for NOBODY. life would be so much better for everyone on earth if that moral code was followed by all men.
@@charleswhaley7312 why are you trying to explain an unrealistic Hollywood show that's just made for television. Man I've seen the shit that people clap for on TV and this shit that people live for little brained hamsters
I believe when Jury said that John would've known his bike had been tampered with and that maybe he decided to take his own life was only half right. I think Clay tampered with the bike and John knew it but was already to the point of "screw it". He knew about it and decided that if this is how it is then they won't stop til I'm gone so he got on his bike knowing full well it had been messed with and went out on his own terms.
Not really. Jury was lying. He wanted Jax dead for his own son's murder,and knew he can't hurt Jax physically. So he took the alternate way to hurt him JT was on the verge of bringing the club out of gun business,didn’t want his teenage son in this life. Why would he suicide with those jobs unfinished!!!!?
@@mdrasedulhoque992 jury's sons death was he own fault you don't use your son as an unknown to do dirt had jax known he wouldn't have made that move, to jax they just looked like possible loose ends and easy scapegoats
SOA isn’t perfect or critically acclaimed the “best” series ever but it’s my personal all time favourite. The brotherhood, grittiness,harsh and “realistic” darkness and overall character of the show is honestly incredible. You feel like you know these characters and when they die it gives you genuine emotion. I honestly just love this show, honestly just wish it went on longer 😅
I came for Jax Teller. Stayed for the drama and other hot men. Really wasn't to concerned with accuracy. Jax could have pulled up in a sleigh with 8 tiny reindeer and I would have been like..well OK.
We saw 5 minutes of their relationship. We have no idea how stable they were. Judging by the other relationships on the show. They don’t stand a chance. The life won’t allow it.
@@kikilu79 venus is very much aware what the gang life is. she has her own problems that make her understand what tig would be going through at any given time. if anything, it's more likely that public stigma would tear them apart despite what tig said to her.
I always wondered why they never incorporated Trinity back into the show in any capacity, seemed weird he’d discover he had a half sister and never speak to her again
i thought that too, but after they got back from belfast, they were pretty much done with them, what you gonna do, have her come state side? for what reason?
i think the almost-incest pretty much solidified the border between their lives. that, and the fact that gemma and maureen hate and mistrust each other completely.
The thing that got me about the show is the influence the women, Gemma in particular, had within the club. This rarely, if ever, happens. In real life, they wouldn't be involved in club business at all. Like it or not, a real deal outlaw MC is a man's world. Women are not members, don't have a say, and a good ol' lady knows how it works, represents her man with respect to the club, and doesn't ask about club business.
Some of these items you’re mentioning are taken out of context or dumb down so they can make sense for this list… but this Juice thing was not because he didn’t want to be “kicked out” it’s because he thought they’d KILL HIM over it. Not just take his patch. Additionally Jax going into “escort services” was very legal as it is legal now. However the “after services” are what’s illegal. But porn stars also do “after services” which also was shown in the show and therefor bringing undue attention to the legal part. I love this channel but hate when they remove all context to make a top 10 that at best can be a top 3 to 5.
The last episode when Jax told Packer that they where going to vote in TO then told SAMCRO it's up to every charter if they want to have black members it all stemmed from what happened to Juice
@@keithharper1470 yeah. But juice didn’t want to DIE which is what he thought they’d do. Which they wouldn’t have because he’s their tech guy and they loved Juice. But “this life” they lead has them on edge all the time.
I was going to say this. The escort services were all legit in universe. They had the proper paperwork and inspections to operate as they were. It may be distasteful work to many, but it's 100% legal. Same with modern legalized weed. It's seen as "dirty" business by a lot of people, but it can be done 100% above board and within the confines of the law making it a legitimate business.
The club was involved with so many other gangs and bringing in so much money it seemed like but no one was living a luxurious lifestyle or had super big house and nice cars. Seemed like they could have the same lifestyles just owning an auto shop or being a good mechanic. Like in the Sopranos they were living large off that criminal lifestyle.
Yes, however it's CA lol. Houses are ridiculously expensive and so is the cost of living. Probably the main reason why most lived at the club itself. Also, they all ride harley and with all the shenanigans, that they have done that include; jumping, dropping, scratching, shooting, blowing up, etc. Their motorcycles would need constant repairs, which on a harley, is super expensive. They also had to constantly pay people off for other people's screw ups. In the show they're constantly have to pay for warehousing repairs, police and other gangs. They wouldn't have any money left in most seasons. I remember alot of their seasons, they'd barely break even. But Clay and Gemma lived in a very nice house, which would make sense, since he's the President.
And I think Kurt Sutter is probably my favorite writer of all time. The Shield, Sons of Anarchy, Southpaw (VERY underrated movie), Bastard Executioner, Mayans MC.
I'm a former 1%'er, and that "prison clause" is pure bs. I'm Norwegian where the prison sentences are pretty mild, but I had brothers doing time for 2-3 years, and the only thing the show did right wass showing that they still have their spot as soon as they get out. If they want us to do something for their families or anything like that while they're away, then sure fucking thing. But sleeping with your brother's wife/girlfriend will probably get you ranked down, or worst case scenario booted out if you'renot the favourite member.
While the sleeping with her part was messed up. I feel like Bobby protecting her from the club. Was very much in his character. As she was his friends wife and took the money to keep herself afloat. After her husband and a SAMCRO member who did heavy work for the club and never snitched went to jail.
I was always upset that the never got there revenge on Ethan Zobelle . Felt could have been wrapped better some how . But still love the show . Some one has mentioned that the got him with a plane crash , in the back of scene on tv with Gemma. But seems weak, you could have gotten a great scene of his half sister get the job done . But doesn't hurt the show
You failed to consider the whole Shakespeare aspect of the entire show. Hence the Gemma, the Bobby etc...it's all in The Bard's tale, which was transformed into a "biker" script.
When it comes to Jaxs dad, it was Both murder and a suicide.. Its made VERY clear throughout the info dumps that Gemma and Clay where infact boning.. And planned on killing JT.. JT obviously and clearly knew this (hence the letters to Ireland) and just before his fateful drive, his personal mechanic warned him his bike was tampered with (Clay got the mechanic to do so) and owned up to it.. I cant remember the exact episode this came up in tho.. Anyways.. JT decided his time was up.. He knew they would keep trying to kill him or he would kill them effectively destroying sam crow and his remaining son Jax. Hence he decided to just drive off into the sunset (and big rig) but not before telling Piney everything, in hopes that when the time was right Piney could save jax and pull samcrow outta the hell it was in. Hence the murder and the suicide.. Both can infact be true when looking through the right lenses or character perspective.. Regardless.. His death saved the club long enough for jax to follow in his footsteps and correct the sins of the father. JT died taking alot of the burden and heat off the others.. Which is exactly why Jax did the very same thing.. Save his sons and save samcrow.. Fulfilling his dads wishes and dreams, and his own.
Juice betrayed Jax by covering up that Gemma murdered his wife, Tara. Than maintaining that disloyalty. He tries to make good by being of service once inside, but his death befits him. To Juice, he died for something.
Juice betrayed Jaxs by telling Nero the truth about killing the mom of the kid that shot up the school. Then continued betrayal by shooting Roosevelt and covering up Gemma killing Tara. Then Juice and Gemma created the lie about the Chinese resulting in a lot of deaths that never should have happened including the members of the club that died. I love this show lol
How ironic, I just finished rewatching SOA literally and I was frustrated on how much of this show doesn't make sense lol..do you guys have cameras in my house ? 😆
true he always make promise that they would left he cheat on her and then when she wanted to bail to protect they're kids he act offended and like she was a traitor when she always protect him and his mom or the club she literally beat up her boss to defend them all i like Jax but that make me mad to see and know that people blame Tara when Gemma and Jax did her dirty a lot
What about the fact that they never explained who SAMCRO is? I’ll admit, it took me a few episodes to realize. He though Sam Crow was a member who was off in prison or something. Like, who is this guy? Then, OHHH!!! Sons of Anarchy Motorcycle Club Redwood Originals. Duh!
Yes and they incooperated those black crows into various episodes too. Kurt is a deep thinker and has a great gift for writing. Taylor Sheridan got his boost on that show and look at old HALE now, 🤣🤣 Taylor is swimming in money now. Another talented writer for sure.
To be fair about Opie, it makes a lot of sense if you think about it. When you've had a lifestyle and brotherhood/friendships like that it's hard to throw it all away. It makes you feel like you're a part of something bigger than yourself. I don't blame him for having such loyalty
Juice going full blown panic mode til he got himself killed annoyed me so much. He let Roosevelt get to his head so much that he made things worse for himself. I mean the club already had other colored members, were allied with the Grim Bastards for over 20 years and even one of the original 9 was Mexican . All he had to do was calm down and talk to his brothers.
1. Jax is always broke but married to a surgeon making like 500K a year. 2. The entire club is broke unless not being broke is convenient to the plot. 3. The club were major gun, drugs, escort runners with like six club members. 4. Wayne never dies of stage 87 everything cancer.
Every time I saw Tara pulling into the parking lot in that big gas hog humpty she was driving, I fell out laughing. Knowing good & well us medical folks drive Maxima`s.🤣
Simple. Tara shot Khon Jax killed. Him. End of story. Sparks flew from there. Don't forget Gemma's dad's housekeeper was another victim of Tara. Little did she know, she was born into it.
In regards to the death of JT I think they were setting it up as all these things being true. Clay and Gemma did murder him. Wayne did cover up the fact that his bike was tampered with. And JT himself knew that it was tampered with and took his own life. I think in that moment he realized how big the beef between him and clay had gotten for him to try and kill him. But he also knew that if he went back Clay would try to feel him out to see if he knows who tampered with it and would once again try to have him killed now in fear that JT wants revenge. And he can’t openly kill clay without reason cause it looks like treason against the club. He also couldn’t go back and accuse Clay because without proof it would just cause turmoil within the club. Sides would be taken the ones that believe JT and the ones that are devoted to the leader and believe clay. This way if he dies and Clays plan “happens” then the rest of the members of the club think it was an accident and get to continue living under the facade of brotherhood. I feel that’s why they showed the random truck at the end because in that moment jax also understood why he did it
Interesting that their were inconsistencies with how the actual biker culture would allow certain things when there was Hell's Angel members were on the show. But then again if they wrote it 100% true to the culture there probably wouldn't have been so much drama
One thing that confuses me about Season 1’s finale is the scene with Stahl and Bobby. She told him she made Clay believe Opie turned rat thinking nobody was going to get hurt. Why didn’t Bobby confront Clay about it right then and there instead of dragging it through up until S2 Ep11? The first season of the show really didn’t have that good direction in it
I always thought that with the club becoming against the neo Nazis gangs and after everything they went through with Juice that he did with & for them that they wouldn’t care his dads black, I mean they never cared he’s part Hispanic. But I guess being panicked and scared of the possibility of losing the club, which was all he had that he wouldn’t think straight and do stupid things. Juice doing that and Gemma killing Tara was so frustrating like just think and talk it out before overreacting! Lol
That would be logical. Juice being afraid that they would be as racist as .. well.. THE RACISTS is hilarious to me. Juices character 180'd into suicide.
I think it comes down to his mental health state as a whole. There's a scene near the end where the says that doesn't like to be alone with his head. It made sense that he would try everything and anything just to still feel part of something. And his death proves that, where he goes after his own death by the hand of Tully so the club wouldnt me mad that he died for other reason other than by "the hand" of the club itself. I simpatize with Juice, he was just a kid with a fucked up head trying to not be alone.
The stupidest season that there is was when the show went to Ireland to get Ables, but then Jaxs choose to let able stay with the family that had him until they were killed! That was just one of the craziest moments of the show, but there are plenty of others. I can't even believe that I ended up watching the show, after I watched every episode of Mayhans until the most recent one. Then I jumped over and watched every single episode of SOA in about a week or so. Now I have to wait for new episodes of Mayhans to come out every Wednesday night.
Probably SPOILERS I thought it was profound that Jax was willing to let his son go. It showed that he really believed the club was a death sentence and wanted better for his child. He knew he’d never be able to provide a loving stable environment for Abel. It broke my heart when the couple was murdered. A very sinister and foreboding way to show that the only way to escape that life of violence is death.
@@renegademade6384 I've actually been at work since 4:30 this morning, and won't leave until after sundown this afternoon. I just happened to own a Custom Motorcycle shop in Chattanooga Tennessee, where I buy and resale new and used Motorcycles after doing a little custom work on them. Why would you ask me that?
@@renegademade6384 I have a 75inc Television in my Shop, and have Hulu so we can watch practically anything that we want. Oh yeah I just walked in the door at home, after leaving my shop about 30 minutes ago. I almost did a 16 hour day.
Gemma a zero direct power in the club. She had no official standing. All of her influence was because she was an incredibly adept manipulator. She parlayed her relationships with various persons, particularly Clay and Jax, and also did a lot of underhanded stuff behind people's backs. Those were the reasons she had so much "influence".
Gemma refers to Juice as "kind of like a child". He may be technically smart, but he's not a rational thinker. He routinely does bone headed stuff that any relatively mature adult wouldn't make. He's irrationally scared of losing the only thing in his life, which is the club. Scared people don't make smart decisions and he clearly never thought through the repercussions of betraying the club vs. his race. He thought he was out for sure if his race was discovered, but he believed if he got away with the coke deal, he was also helping the club because only the members present at a deal would gt arrested and SOA as a whole would survive. It was misguided and delusional, but he was pretty naive. I think you're wrong on Bobby. He's not really a moral compass so much as keeping order with rational behavior, not causing undue violence, etc. He generally looks at the bigger picture. However, he's still a murderer and criminal like the rest of them. He has a good and bad side just like they all do. And the S4 ending does make sense. It's exactly the type of real world things our sketchy CIA does. We regularly back cartel vs cartel depending on what benefits the US at the time. We've given guns to the cartels just to track them and act surprised when they're used against us having made their way back into the country. That ending may be the most realistic part of all of SOA.
This is Just ANOTHER reason why I’m Rewatching This Magnificent Series Again. I hope Kurt Sutter’s Overwhelming writing will bring back his Diehard Fans to his Latest Series
If you think about Jax had to die he took out all of his enemies and gave the club a fresh start he killed August in public at the court house there was no way out after that he would have did life in prison
6:35 - Juice had that exact thought - "it's outdated, the club won't care" - that's why he brought up some of the "old bylaws" with Chibs, who basically told him "some of the old bylaws might not make sense, but they're there, so we follow them.", essentially in Juice's mind, telling him "if we found out you were part black, that would be the end of the club life for you." So, no, I don't think it was "nonsensical" for him to do what he did. From an unfeeling birds eye view, sure, it wasn't logical. But that's the point of stories. It's not all logical. People make decisions based on emotion and adrenaline, not just logic.
I never understood the women’s role in the MC business. Having been a full patch member of 2 MC’s, I can tell you that all of our business stayed with the boys and ONLY the boys. We were 99% and had a legitimate couple of businesses that the club was part owners of. Even though our girls knew about it, they didn’t have the full picture and wouldn’t have been given the big picture and sure as hell didn’t have a say in ANYTHING. Our girls did only what we told them and knew only what we wanted them to know. Ain’t no way Gemma and Tara had that much info and certainly would have any say in how business was done.
I was in Iraq and the 'Stan when this show came out, so I never watched it. I finally binge-watched it over the last few weeks. Almost turned it off half-way through the first season. Im glad I didnt. The parts where 16- 30 people got mowed down with automatic weapons about 5 times in a few weeks was wildly unrealistic. News teams and the National Guard would be swooping down if that ever happened. The entire area would be swimming in cops. Too many murders in a short time frame for Charming not to become a major national story. You just gotta turn your brain off at times to believe it. But overall, a great show. I was sad to see Wayne go out the way he did. But he loved Gemma unconditionally, so it was entirely appropriate. Good to see Juice finally become a man in his final moments. I dont cry at much, but I have to admit the finale got me pretty misty-eyed. I waited to watch this show, but it was worth the wait. 👍
I have always questioned the cartel deal. Did Clay know that Romeo was a CIA asset at the onset of the deal? "The gavel corrupts," and it is possible that Clay was protecting the club through his deal with Romeo.
I think quoting a college student’s Master’s thesis for description of the patriarchy of motorcycle clubs is like supporting your position that buying a toy is an inalienable right with the quotes from a 4yr old.
Yup, I stopped watching then and there. Why is it men aren’t allowed to have their own space, without some woman somewhere complaining about not being allowed in.
1.Jax’s American accent changes throughout the first season. He goes from south side Chicago to a bit twangy to what he settles into. 2. The gang are either in a microscopic version of California or maybe they’re time travelers ?? They ride up and down the state in an hour or two. 3. Criminals don’t care about machine guns much, and if they want them they’ll just get them locally in the US. the last place you’d look for guns would be Ireland.
Agree with all your points. 1. Either in an interview/episode with comments (I don’t remember), Hunnam acknowledges that he was having trouble getting his mouth to form the words in an American accent at first. You’re spot in there. 2) Yep. Cali is huge. They have GOT level worm holes to jump through time to get to Nevada and Oregon etc so quickly. I think they were cashing in hard on suspension of disbelief. 3) I’ve read that Ireland has extremely strict gun laws. I’m not an expert in international gun laws, by any means, so correct me if I’m wrong there. That being said, the US is FAR easier to obtain firearms both legally and illegally. Disturbingly so. End of the day, it is fictional and moved the story along. I enjoyed SOA for the most part.
It is my favourite show and return to it time and again. I recently met Tig, Bobby and Chibs at a comic con and they were amazing guys, they love the fans and listening to their talk they had problems with the show but wouldn't change a thing. You can pick faults with every single show that has ever been on TV but who gives a shit, if you enjoy it what else matters. It makes me laugh and it makes me cry, until I find another show that can do that it will remain my favourite.
Another nonsensical thing about Juice is that the club finds out that he’s half black and they accept it anyway. Jax and Bobby (who was an Original Nine) don’t care. Yet he still turns against them even after this. That made absolutely no sense.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVED this show,I watched one show then ended up binge watching it from 4 in the morning until 11-12 at night. I wish they would have never ended the show or bring it back. The BEST SHOW I'VE EVER WATCHED.😊😊😊😊
Gemma is my favorite character. Although I love Tig early on the show. Until Tig got all fucked up up on mushrooms. His whole character changed. Overall Chibby turned out to be my favorite all time favorite character!!! SOA!!!!
There was a shootout in the middle of a busy freeway and after the shootout they all pull over to the side and talk about their next strategy all calm like taking their time and not a even the sound of a siren it was sooo fucken dumb i hated this show since
The one thing I wish the show didn't convolute was John Teller's death. It was very much confirmed that Clay messed with John's bike, which caused the accident to happen. But then one of the last episodes throws in a different narrative that JT allowed his bike to crash. This brings up a lot of questions like why would he do that when he was on his way to get the Club out of guns with a set up meeting? Even his knowledge that if Jax follows in his footsteps, he would go down a dark path just like him, and he was determined to make sure that wouldn't happen. It wasn't too late, and John wasn't the kind of guy to just allow himself to die while there was still a chance to save his own son and even the Club.
I don't understand why people get all hung up on "this didn't make sense" or "that's reprehensible", that's the whole point of a TV show/movie, it's a break from reality, Bruce Willis took out a helicopter with a motorcycle in Live Free or Die Hard, is that going to happen in real life? I don't really need a magic 8-ball on that one.
Another classic American caution tale but like ope ‘Ryan’ said in an interview.. one watch is enough. So many narcissistic characters, let alone serial killers, tragic tales held together by delusion of familial grandeur. The jail violence was horrific no one in their right mind would let their loved ones be subjected to any of that & call it honor that’s some twisted stuff if so.
I agree Mayans is so lame compared to SOA. I know you'll never get as good as SOA, But the first 9 could have come very close if done right. Miss this show, defo one of the best evers imo. Xo 🏍 #RedwoodOriginal #ReaperCrew
There's a novel that about sons that takes place some where in season 4 ish...timelines a little wonky in the book...but it's about opie, Jax ,and chibbs going to save his sister from Russian mobsters who "kidnapped" her and took her to nevada
3:30 - technically, escort businesses are legal. There's no law against paying someone for their attendance at a certain place/time. It is definitely a fine line, and a lot of time "escort" is just a fancy way of saying "prostitute", but allegedly the business Nero was running was legitimate. He even mentioned his permits to run such a business. It was a whole thing.
Riding in tennis shoes while Patched was what kept me from gettin anymore passed the first 30 minutes of Season one/Episode one. I'm from the old skool rules of 1%er Life and nobody flew colors in anything but steel toed work boots.
Agree. I was in a 3 patch territorial MC (out in good standing). Everyone wore boots. Once I became a slickback I'd wear whatever. Even tennis shoes, though I still normally wear boots. Never tennis shoes while wearing my cut though.
I used to have a lot of issues trying to watch any kind of medical show because of knowing what was true and what was bogus. I finally figured out to just let it go and stop nitpicking.
Re-marrying after your spouse dies is a risky venture. If heaven turns out to be real, it would be awkward to meet your first wife again while you've still got one on the go on earth.
I didnt know anything about the RICO Act until watching SOA, i really learned a lot watching this amazing series, from organized crime, drug cartels, the whole bikers community, undercover double agents(Danny Trejo was absolutely amazing in his role). Kurt Sutter did a superb job on this show, it was just like dramatized documentary into the whole biker culture. PS: RIP Sonny Barger, The OG of MC culture.
Gemma and Tara's influence over SAMCRO is different because SAMCRO isn't a normal MC. Unless all MCs are regularly covering up their criminal enterprise...
The most unbelievable plot element in SOA was the gun traffic from Ireland to the US. The IRA smuggled guns from the US to Ireland, not the other way around. All the guns featured in the show, except for the Glocks, are made in the US.
What were your thoughts on "Sons of Anarchy"?
Great series. I actually think it’s underrated. And yes Juice was the dumbest one of them all. I would of told Roosevelt to kick rocks and tell the club I have a black dad.
Best show in the world
The best tv show ever
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The Greatest.
1) Opie didn't give his life for 'the club' he gave his life specifically to save Jax. He knew Jax was going to give himself up and Opie wasn't going to allow that. He and Jax were closer than brothers. 2) Juice was so desperate for a family he latched on to the club and his fear of losing it drove him to make bad decisions, but in the end, his last act was for the club's well-being. 3) JT knew the bike had been tampered with but he knew his death was coming and he was morally conflicted. 4) Gemma was the driving force behind 90% of the bad that happened; she had a hand her husband's death, she knew how to play Clay, Jax, and especially poor Wayne and even Juice. She was, as Juice said, the 'gate keeper" who knew every secret inside every lie.
The juice thing made no sense. No matter how much he wanted to belong.
Well said!!!!!!
Didn’t chibs even tell juice that his true parentage didn’t matter?
@@MaCabaret He told him it only mattered was listed on his birth certificate and added that half the guys in the club didn't know who their fathers were. Suggesting it didn't matter as long as it couldn't be proven.
Not entirely right on Opie. Opie was borderline suicidal since Donna's death and even Jax says afterwards that he thinks Opie was looking for a way out. Opie saved Jax, but that could be viewed as Opie's way out at the same time.
Gemma was the biggest villain of the show 🤷🏿♂️
She was stone cold...but she knew the consequences... death
@@RickGrimes007 i hate how she killed her
Gemma was stone cold but she knew she had to hold the club together no matter what.
Agreed!
True
What I loved about this show was how you could go one minute and hate a certain character and then they would turn around and become the best character on the show. Of course I'm talking about Tig. That guy had the greatest arc in the show as far as I'm concerned. Him and Chibs man, those two guys were the best.
Chibs was the best. I don’t remember a time I didn’t respect chibs. Tug did some heinous things but he was also really likable!
I hated Tig in the start, of what he did and how he was Clays dog. But he came around, and i ended up enjoying his character and voting for him as much as i did Chibs, who i really enjoyed since the start. - I had some conflicting moments when chibs turned on Jucie after jucie went 'rat' though,. since Chibs was such a good support for Juice, i thought out of all, Chibs would understand... Till the end, i rested on a sway on not knowing how exactly to feel about chibs abannonding his brother Juice like that but...
And i also disliked how they all let Jax just go with the Mayham vote in the end, and ''Kill himself'' - but i guess it had to be done.. But ending note: Jax, Chibs, ''early seasons'' Tara and Tiggy for the win of characters for me :D
@@livingonearth8976 Tara was so boring opposite of Tigs
@@livingonearth8976 He was the Seargent at Arms, being Clays enforcer was literally his job. But he did go about it wrong. He's the clubs enforcer, not the presidents personal enforcer to be used against the club...
I liked some things about Tig, but I never really liked him in general.
Saying Tig had the greatest arc on the show is pushing it. But I gained hella respect for his nasty ass after the dog & Venus. I even cried when Tig cried.
Outta all of the deaths in this show Opie dying was the one that hurt the most and made me cry like a little baby
I watched that episode in a 30 day jail stay. It was hard. For everyone.
@@jerryknuckles736 I bet it was Opie was a legend that went down like a king
Bobby and Tara's death also broke my heart. Gemma's lies caused that
I had to take a walk after OPs death
Jax says "I'm sorry" and I promise" more than any character in TV history. His character arch is nuts but he causes more damn harm than good by not standing up to his own psychotic mother.
His mom had to much say so over his life almost like a mammy's boy.I think she wanted to do her grandsons the same way she always called them her boys or babies when they were jax and Tara's and Wendy's. They should have just told Gemma get the hell out of their life and stay out.But Jax wouldn't never tell her that and then again she has a way of winning him over even if he was mad at her.She wanted all the attention and for people to feel sorry for her.Shebwanted to be the queen of the club but that would have never happened cause women isn't allowed to have anything to do with the club it's the men.i would never want to know the clubs business and get pulled into it all hell no.
@@marshaelswick4587 yup, I think Jax's baby and his brother that died had the same name
@@grizzfan018 yes it was Thomas
Which in a real MC - he would have never allowed his mom to be like that.
For me it was all the times Jax would gun down 30 people then brush it off like “the police can’t prove shit”
Happens all the time irl
right, u have to not only suspend your disbelief, u must expel it permanently.
@@PrinceIsot lol maybe in international wars
@@abprepboy33 dude there's so many killers are walking around right now, do you think cops get everyone that shoots someone? They don't
@@PrinceIsot im not saying no homicide ever goes unsolved. Im saying 30 people killed at once is not usually something the cops would just walk away from. LOL- I dont think that happens all the time (except in actual international war)
What bothered me was how many times SOA partnered with another gang, only to double-cross them later. This happens like 8 times. You wonder why any other club would trust working with them ever.
Cause everyone knows about it but no one thinks that it’ll happen to them. I don’t remembered his name but when the popes right hand man took over he mentions how he won’t go down like pope multiple times and I think Henry Lin mentions them crossing the Mayans and vice verse. They all know about it but hands are tied for what they can do for business so they put it to the side for the time being
@@charleswhaley7312 August Marks? My brain is overflowing with useless information. 😂
great point. as tony montana stated: only two things a man has in this world, his word and his balls, and he breaks them for NOBODY.
life would be so much better for everyone on earth if that moral code was followed by all men.
@@charleswhaley7312 why are you trying to explain an unrealistic Hollywood show that's just made for television. Man I've seen the shit that people clap for on TV and this shit that people live for little brained hamsters
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It's still one of the best dramas ever made....
I like how almost everything everyone did lead to their downfalls juice is a perfect example of this
Well said
Tara to
There was no mystery to J.T.’s death. It was obvious to from the start
Yeah they straight up say it when Jax finds the notebooks.
Jax didn't drag the club to Ireland they told him they were going with him
That’s the truth
Exactly
@@adahharris943 send me your hangouts address
I believe when Jury said that John would've known his bike had been tampered with and that maybe he decided to take his own life was only half right. I think Clay tampered with the bike and John knew it but was already to the point of "screw it". He knew about it and decided that if this is how it is then they won't stop til I'm gone so he got on his bike knowing full well it had been messed with and went out on his own terms.
Along with being dragged by a semi
@@MrRaiin32 well yes that too
@DK nah he wouldn't have done any of those. He would've wanted to go out on his bike like any biker.
Not really. Jury was lying. He wanted Jax dead for his own son's murder,and knew he can't hurt Jax physically. So he took the alternate way to hurt him
JT was on the verge of bringing the club out of gun business,didn’t want his teenage son in this life. Why would he suicide with those jobs unfinished!!!!?
@@mdrasedulhoque992 jury's sons death was he own fault you don't use your son as an unknown to do dirt had jax known he wouldn't have made that move, to jax they just looked like possible loose ends and easy scapegoats
Lol Bobby smashing Luann is what makes the most sense in this whole show haha
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SOA isn’t perfect or critically acclaimed the “best” series ever but it’s my personal all time favourite. The brotherhood, grittiness,harsh and “realistic” darkness and overall character of the show is honestly incredible. You feel like you know these characters and when they die it gives you genuine emotion. I honestly just love this show, honestly just wish it went on longer 😅
Ya, it's great fun. I'd say breaking bad is the best show.
@@jasonjenkins8910 Yeah fair enough but I’m not saying SOA is the “best” show but my personal favourite 💯👍
@@jasonjenkins8910 Breaking Bad is great if you like that one you should give The Sopranos, The Wire, and above all THE SHIELD a try
Not my favorite, but definitely makes my top 5.
The only person I felt bad for was Opie
I came for Jax Teller. Stayed for the drama and other hot men. Really wasn't to concerned with accuracy. Jax could have pulled up in a sleigh with 8 tiny reindeer and I would have been like..well OK.
I also mainly watched this show due to my attraction to Jax lol
I liked Half Sack, tragic what happened irl with the actor
@@ennuiblue4295 Yes agreed. He seemed like such a wonderful person and actor. I was shocked to hear his story
Him stabbing a speedball in Wendy's arm let alone the rest was kinda a yikes for me
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The relationship between Tig and Venus was the most stable one of all!
Yes!!
I know right fr because she was kept away from the club imo
We saw 5 minutes of their relationship. We have no idea how stable they were. Judging by the other relationships on the show. They don’t stand a chance. The life won’t allow it.
@@kikilu79
venus is very much aware what the gang life is. she has her own problems that make her understand what tig would be going through at any given time. if anything, it's more likely that public stigma would tear them apart despite what tig said to her.
I love tig and chib
Who knew MOTORBIKE MACBETH would be one of the best shows ever made
its more like motorbike hamlet
Hamlet bro
Yeah, Kurt Sutter said he took heavy inspiration from Hamlet.
Do you mean hamlet?
I always wondered why they never incorporated Trinity back into the show in any capacity, seemed weird he’d discover he had a half sister and never speak to her again
Honestly never thought of her after Belfast
i thought that too, but after they got back from belfast, they were pretty much done with them, what you gonna do, have her come state side? for what reason?
@Kemba George I was hoping Trinity would pop up in the last season, and maybe take her nephews
i think the almost-incest pretty much solidified the border between their lives. that, and the fact that gemma and maureen hate and mistrust each other completely.
There is actually a book about her.
The thing that got me about the show is the influence the women, Gemma in particular, had within the club. This rarely, if ever, happens. In real life, they wouldn't be involved in club business at all. Like it or not, a real deal outlaw MC is a man's world. Women are not members, don't have a say, and a good ol' lady knows how it works, represents her man with respect to the club, and doesn't ask about club business.
Maybe this club is just nicer than others
@@TheCMranch1 haha what?
Some of these items you’re mentioning are taken out of context or dumb down so they can make sense for this list… but this Juice thing was not because he didn’t want to be “kicked out” it’s because he thought they’d KILL HIM over it. Not just take his patch. Additionally Jax going into “escort services” was very legal as it is legal now. However the “after services” are what’s illegal. But porn stars also do “after services” which also was shown in the show and therefor bringing undue attention to the legal part.
I love this channel but hate when they remove all context to make a top 10 that at best can be a top 3 to 5.
The last episode when Jax told Packer that they where going to vote in TO then told SAMCRO it's up to every charter if they want to have black members it all stemmed from what happened to Juice
@@keithharper1470 yeah. But juice didn’t want to DIE which is what he thought they’d do. Which they wouldn’t have because he’s their tech guy and they loved Juice. But “this life” they lead has them on edge all the time.
I was going to say this. The escort services were all legit in universe. They had the proper paperwork and inspections to operate as they were. It may be distasteful work to many, but it's 100% legal. Same with modern legalized weed. It's seen as "dirty" business by a lot of people, but it can be done 100% above board and within the confines of the law making it a legitimate business.
The club was involved with so many other gangs and bringing in so much money it seemed like but no one was living a luxurious lifestyle or had super big house and nice cars. Seemed like they could have the same lifestyles just owning an auto shop or being a good mechanic. Like in the Sopranos they were living large off that criminal lifestyle.
Yes, however it's CA lol. Houses are ridiculously expensive and so is the cost of living. Probably the main reason why most lived at the club itself. Also, they all ride harley and with all the shenanigans, that they have done that include; jumping, dropping, scratching, shooting, blowing up, etc. Their motorcycles would need constant repairs, which on a harley, is super expensive. They also had to constantly pay people off for other people's screw ups. In the show they're constantly have to pay for warehousing repairs, police and other gangs. They wouldn't have any money left in most seasons. I remember alot of their seasons, they'd barely break even. But Clay and Gemma lived in a very nice house, which would make sense, since he's the President.
Flash draws attention plus they didn't really start to make money till the cartel
@@kristopherrobinson316 Uhm that was Gemma's house actually 😅
totally different. mafia and mob is higher up the food chain. not to mention theyre not really organized the same way
Juice might’ve betrayed the club, but the writer’s of this show betrayed Juice.
Definitely one of the best shows I've ever witnessed!!!!
Even when they did and said Racist stuff… You could live with it and enjoy the show even more!! I still Rewatch it I’m on my 4th run
@@lawlessworldmedia2800 It's television, that stuff doesn't bother me. Huge difference from TV and a real life personal encounter.
That’s why it doesn’t freak me
@@lawlessworldmedia2800almost every good show has some form of racism or racist language
Wire and sopranos come to mind
I thought their escort service was legal as they had to have all the paperwork in order,if it was illegal why would they need paperwork in order?
Yeah, the escort service was legal.
Yes it was this channel just compared it to switching from Coke to pepsi. Dumbest thing I've ever heard. Guns kill people prostitution doesn't
And I think Kurt Sutter is probably my favorite writer of all time. The Shield, Sons of Anarchy, Southpaw (VERY underrated movie), Bastard Executioner, Mayans MC.
I wish The Bastard Executioner would've gone further than it did.
Southpaw is a beast of a movie! Sutter knows what he's doing for a fact
I'm a former 1%'er, and that "prison clause" is pure bs. I'm Norwegian where the prison sentences are pretty mild, but I had brothers doing time for 2-3 years, and the only thing the show did right wass showing that they still have their spot as soon as they get out. If they want us to do something for their families or anything like that while they're away, then sure fucking thing. But sleeping with your brother's wife/girlfriend will probably get you ranked down, or worst case scenario booted out if you'renot the favourite member.
The show should have been called "Jax Kills Everybody" by the end of the final season.
Including himself
@@FlyingTigersKMT Right?
That's what I called the final season, actually.
Gemma caused a lot of deaths when she lied about Tara so most deaths can be pointed to her
While the sleeping with her part was messed up. I feel like Bobby protecting her from the club. Was very much in his character. As she was his friends wife and took the money to keep herself afloat. After her husband and a SAMCRO member who did heavy work for the club and never snitched went to jail.
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I was always upset that the never got there revenge on Ethan Zobelle . Felt could have been wrapped better some how . But still love the show .
Some one has mentioned that the got him with a plane crash , in the back of scene on tv with Gemma. But seems weak, you could have gotten a great scene of his half sister get the job done . But doesn't hurt the show
He actually dies in a plane crash. When Gemma is on the run it’s shown on her tv. It’s a throw away, but a sorta wrap up
You failed to consider the whole Shakespeare aspect of the entire show. Hence the Gemma, the Bobby etc...it's all in The Bard's tale, which was transformed into a "biker" script.
When it comes to Jaxs dad, it was Both murder and a suicide..
Its made VERY clear throughout the info dumps that Gemma and Clay where infact boning.. And planned on killing JT..
JT obviously and clearly knew this (hence the letters to Ireland) and just before his fateful drive, his personal mechanic warned him his bike was tampered with (Clay got the mechanic to do so) and owned up to it.. I cant remember the exact episode this came up in tho..
Anyways.. JT decided his time was up.. He knew they would keep trying to kill him or he would kill them effectively destroying sam crow and his remaining son Jax. Hence he decided to just drive off into the sunset (and big rig) but not before telling Piney everything, in hopes that when the time was right Piney could save jax and pull samcrow outta the hell it was in. Hence the murder and the suicide.. Both can infact be true when looking through the right lenses or character perspective..
Regardless.. His death saved the club long enough for jax to follow in his footsteps and correct the sins of the father. JT died taking alot of the burden and heat off the others.. Which is exactly why Jax did the very same thing.. Save his sons and save samcrow.. Fulfilling his dads wishes and dreams, and his own.
No one talks about the rogue FBI agent, that was stalking Tara in the 1st season, that Jax killed for her.
Because he was such a stupid pointless creep of a character
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Fr im Mexican and every time they said “wetback” “spick” “beaner” I just let it slide 😭 it was a different time
How they tied Mayans into SOA was the best. Everything ties in so well and we get to see some of the old faces
I don't know who juice pissed off, but his character got done so dirty in that show.
Straight raw dogged if I recall.
Juice betrayed Jax by covering up that Gemma murdered his wife, Tara. Than maintaining that disloyalty. He tries to make good by being of service once inside, but his death befits him. To Juice, he died for something.
@@novemberflag__8251 by Marilyn Manson and then stabbed by the same dude
Juice betrayed Jaxs by telling Nero the truth about killing the mom of the kid that shot up the school. Then continued betrayal by shooting Roosevelt and covering up Gemma killing Tara. Then Juice and Gemma created the lie about the Chinese resulting in a lot of deaths that never should have happened including the members of the club that died. I love this show lol
Idk if it’s here, but Zobelle kind of passionately kissing his daughter Polly was a little weird. He grabs her face and kisses her twice
Yeah that always struck me as creepy. My daughter is 10 and we don't kiss on the lips anymore.
On.. the.. lips. I cringe so hard every time I see it.. and I'm rewatching right now. Thankfully, she's already dead lol
their relationship always seemed incestuous
Absolutely, I just reached that episode about that with my daughter and her first time watching the series. And yep, dear old dad and POLLY, yuk
How ironic, I just finished rewatching SOA literally and I was frustrated on how much of this show doesn't make sense lol..do you guys have cameras in my house ? 😆
Hahaha 🤣
The way Jax treated Tara repeatedly was just sickening!!
true he always make promise that they would left he cheat on her
and then when she wanted to bail to protect they're kids he act offended and like she was a traitor when she always protect him and his mom or the club she literally beat up her boss to defend them all
i like Jax but that make me mad to see and know that people blame Tara when Gemma and Jax did her dirty a lot
Just wanna say that son's of anarchy is one off the best shows I've ever seen
What about the fact that they never explained who SAMCRO is? I’ll admit, it took me a few episodes to realize. He though Sam Crow was a member who was off in prison or something. Like, who is this guy? Then, OHHH!!! Sons of Anarchy Motorcycle Club Redwood Originals. Duh!
Yes and they incooperated those black crows into various episodes too. Kurt is a deep thinker and has a great gift for writing. Taylor Sheridan got his boost on that show and look at old HALE now, 🤣🤣 Taylor is swimming in money now. Another talented writer for sure.
Same here. Lol
😂😂😂😂😂 noooooo
To be fair about Opie, it makes a lot of sense if you think about it. When you've had a lifestyle and brotherhood/friendships like that it's hard to throw it all away. It makes you feel like you're a part of something bigger than yourself. I don't blame him for having such loyalty
Loved this show!!
Juice going full blown panic mode til he got himself killed annoyed me so much. He let Roosevelt get to his head so much that he made things worse for himself. I mean the club already had other colored members, were allied with the Grim Bastards for over 20 years and even one of the original 9 was Mexican . All he had to do was calm down and talk to his brothers.
Best show ever. Easily. Perfect heavy, deep, brutal drama
One of the best series ever!!
1. Jax is always broke but married to a surgeon making like 500K a year.
2. The entire club is broke unless not being broke is convenient to the plot.
3. The club were major gun, drugs, escort runners with like six club members.
4. Wayne never dies of stage 87 everything cancer.
Every time I saw Tara pulling into the parking lot in that big gas hog humpty she was driving, I fell out laughing. Knowing good & well us medical folks drive Maxima`s.🤣
Hey Hey My My, let's not forgot how good the songs were on SOA
what else is here is how Jax is constantly going to the damn cemetery; like he's a vampire
Biggest mystery why did Tara who was a doctor stay with Jax
Love
Best point
Are we pretending that women are not attracted to toxic alphas now???
@@bonnevillebagger9147 I don't understand how she became a doctor spending her youth hanging with the club. Magical thinking imo
Simple. Tara shot Khon Jax killed. Him. End of story. Sparks flew from there. Don't forget Gemma's dad's housekeeper was another victim of Tara. Little did she know, she was born into it.
Kinda like how dean and Sam left Adam in the cage. Trinity was the third wheel sibling
WOW!! I now notice that Michael Chiklis was driving the 🚚.
Opie doesn't die "in prison". They're in a COUNTY JAIL. The terms are not interchangeable.
In regards to the death of JT I think they were setting it up as all these things being true. Clay and Gemma did murder him. Wayne did cover up the fact that his bike was tampered with. And JT himself knew that it was tampered with and took his own life. I think in that moment he realized how big the beef between him and clay had gotten for him to try and kill him. But he also knew that if he went back Clay would try to feel him out to see if he knows who tampered with it and would once again try to have him killed now in fear that JT wants revenge. And he can’t openly kill clay without reason cause it looks like treason against the club. He also couldn’t go back and accuse Clay because without proof it would just cause turmoil within the club. Sides would be taken the ones that believe JT and the ones that are devoted to the leader and believe clay. This way if he dies and Clays plan “happens” then the rest of the members of the club think it was an accident and get to continue living under the facade of brotherhood. I feel that’s why they showed the random truck at the end because in that moment jax also understood why he did it
Interesting that their were inconsistencies with how the actual biker culture would allow certain things when there was Hell's Angel members were on the show. But then again if they wrote it 100% true to the culture there probably wouldn't have been so much drama
Truth
SOA is one of my favorite tv shows JT was a badass to his tragic end
One thing that confuses me about Season 1’s finale is the scene with Stahl and Bobby. She told him she made Clay believe Opie turned rat thinking nobody was going to get hurt. Why didn’t Bobby confront Clay about it right then and there instead of dragging it through up until S2 Ep11? The first season of the show really didn’t have that good direction in it
I always thought that with the club becoming against the neo Nazis gangs and after everything they went through with Juice that he did with & for them that they wouldn’t care his dads black, I mean they never cared he’s part Hispanic. But I guess being panicked and scared of the possibility of losing the club, which was all he had that he wouldn’t think straight and do stupid things. Juice doing that and Gemma killing Tara was so frustrating like just think and talk it out before overreacting! Lol
That would be logical. Juice being afraid that they would be as racist as .. well.. THE RACISTS is hilarious to me. Juices character 180'd into suicide.
I think it comes down to his mental health state as a whole. There's a scene near the end where the says that doesn't like to be alone with his head. It made sense that he would try everything and anything just to still feel part of something. And his death proves that, where he goes after his own death by the hand of Tully so the club wouldnt me mad that he died for other reason other than by "the hand" of the club itself.
I simpatize with Juice, he was just a kid with a fucked up head trying to not be alone.
Escourt services ARE legal in California. Considering Jax and Nero get the licenses and certification needed, Jax WAS turning SOA legit.
7:00 Gemma and Tara did not have direct influence but they had influence on Clay and Jax who were the most influent members.
The stupidest season that there is was when the show went to Ireland to get Ables, but then Jaxs choose to let able stay with the family that had him until they were killed! That was just one of the craziest moments of the show, but there are plenty of others. I can't even believe that I ended up watching the show, after I watched every episode of Mayhans until the most recent one. Then I jumped over and watched every single episode of SOA in about a week or so. Now I have to wait for new episodes of Mayhans to come out every Wednesday night.
Probably SPOILERS
I thought it was profound that Jax was willing to let his son go. It showed that he really believed the club was a death sentence and wanted better for his child. He knew he’d never be able to provide a loving stable environment for Abel.
It broke my heart when the couple was murdered. A very sinister and foreboding way to show that the only way to escape that life of violence is death.
Do you not have a job?
@@renegademade6384 I've actually been at work since 4:30 this morning, and won't leave until after sundown this afternoon. I just happened to own a Custom Motorcycle shop in Chattanooga Tennessee, where I buy and resale new and used Motorcycles after doing a little custom work on them. Why would you ask me that?
@@rpmfreak9150 because you said you watched the whole series in a week
@@renegademade6384 I have a 75inc Television in my Shop, and have Hulu so we can watch practically anything that we want.
Oh yeah I just walked in the door at home, after leaving my shop about 30 minutes ago. I almost did a 16 hour day.
Gemma a zero direct power in the club. She had no official standing. All of her influence was because she was an incredibly adept manipulator. She parlayed her relationships with various persons, particularly Clay and Jax, and also did a lot of underhanded stuff behind people's backs. Those were the reasons she had so much "influence".
Gemma refers to Juice as "kind of like a child". He may be technically smart, but he's not a rational thinker. He routinely does bone headed stuff that any relatively mature adult wouldn't make. He's irrationally scared of losing the only thing in his life, which is the club. Scared people don't make smart decisions and he clearly never thought through the repercussions of betraying the club vs. his race. He thought he was out for sure if his race was discovered, but he believed if he got away with the coke deal, he was also helping the club because only the members present at a deal would gt arrested and SOA as a whole would survive. It was misguided and delusional, but he was pretty naive. I think you're wrong on Bobby. He's not really a moral compass so much as keeping order with rational behavior, not causing undue violence, etc. He generally looks at the bigger picture. However, he's still a murderer and criminal like the rest of them. He has a good and bad side just like they all do. And the S4 ending does make sense. It's exactly the type of real world things our sketchy CIA does. We regularly back cartel vs cartel depending on what benefits the US at the time. We've given guns to the cartels just to track them and act surprised when they're used against us having made their way back into the country. That ending may be the most realistic part of all of SOA.
No he is technically smart. But mostly stupid.
Believe me I didn't ignore the hundreds of questionable things in sons of anarchy
This is Just ANOTHER reason why I’m Rewatching This Magnificent Series Again. I hope Kurt Sutter’s Overwhelming writing will bring back his Diehard Fans to his Latest Series
Yea made no sense, he killed himself so his enemy would win and raise his son in an illegal club he wanted straight?
he tied up all loose ends what enemy?
If you think about Jax had to die he took out all of his enemies and gave the club a fresh start he killed August in public at the court house there was no way out after that he would have did life in prison
6:35 - Juice had that exact thought - "it's outdated, the club won't care" - that's why he brought up some of the "old bylaws" with Chibs, who basically told him "some of the old bylaws might not make sense, but they're there, so we follow them.", essentially in Juice's mind, telling him "if we found out you were part black, that would be the end of the club life for you." So, no, I don't think it was "nonsensical" for him to do what he did. From an unfeeling birds eye view, sure, it wasn't logical. But that's the point of stories. It's not all logical. People make decisions based on emotion and adrenaline, not just logic.
I never understood the women’s role in the MC business. Having been a full patch member of 2 MC’s, I can tell you that all of our business stayed with the boys and ONLY the boys. We were 99% and had a legitimate couple of businesses that the club was part owners of. Even though our girls knew about it, they didn’t have the full picture and wouldn’t have been given the big picture and sure as hell didn’t have a say in ANYTHING. Our girls did only what we told them and knew only what we wanted them to know. Ain’t no way Gemma and Tara had that much info and certainly would have any say in how business was done.
I was in Iraq and the 'Stan when this show came out, so I never watched it. I finally binge-watched it over the last few weeks. Almost turned it off half-way through the first season. Im glad I didnt. The parts where 16- 30 people got mowed down with automatic weapons about 5 times in a few weeks was wildly unrealistic. News teams and the National Guard would be swooping down if that ever happened. The entire area would be swimming in cops. Too many murders in a short time frame for Charming not to become a major national story. You just gotta turn your brain off at times to believe it.
But overall, a great show. I was sad to see Wayne go out the way he did. But he loved Gemma unconditionally, so it was entirely appropriate. Good to see Juice finally become a man in his final moments. I dont cry at much, but I have to admit the finale got me pretty misty-eyed. I waited to watch this show, but it was worth the wait. 👍
If Jax had ever left the club he would be miserable and feel lost. He loved his family but the pull of the club was far stronger.
And that pull ultimately killed him.
I have always questioned the cartel deal.
Did Clay know that Romeo was a CIA asset at the onset of the deal?
"The gavel corrupts," and it is possible that Clay was protecting the club through his deal with Romeo.
I think quoting a college student’s Master’s thesis for description of the patriarchy of motorcycle clubs is like supporting your position that buying a toy is an inalienable right with the quotes from a 4yr old.
Yup, I stopped watching then and there. Why is it men aren’t allowed to have their own space, without some woman somewhere complaining about not being allowed in.
I'm on my 4th time of rewatching the series. Best show I've ever seen. Nothing else has even come close.
Breaking Bad
1.Jax’s American accent changes throughout the first season. He goes from south side Chicago to a bit twangy to what he settles into. 2. The gang are either in a microscopic version of California or maybe they’re time travelers ?? They ride up and down the state in an hour or two. 3. Criminals don’t care about machine guns much, and if they want them they’ll just get them locally in the US. the last place you’d look for guns would be Ireland.
Agree with all your points.
1. Either in an interview/episode with comments (I don’t remember), Hunnam acknowledges that he was having trouble getting his mouth to form the words in an American accent at first. You’re spot in there.
2) Yep. Cali is huge. They have GOT level worm holes to jump through time to get to Nevada and Oregon etc so quickly. I think they were cashing in hard on suspension of disbelief.
3) I’ve read that Ireland has extremely strict gun laws. I’m not an expert in international gun laws, by any means, so correct me if I’m wrong there.
That being said, the US is FAR easier to obtain firearms both legally and illegally. Disturbingly so.
End of the day, it is fictional and moved the story along. I enjoyed SOA for the most part.
It is my favourite show and return to it time and again. I recently met Tig, Bobby and Chibs at a comic con and they were amazing guys, they love the fans and listening to their talk they had problems with the show but wouldn't change a thing. You can pick faults with every single show that has ever been on TV but who gives a shit, if you enjoy it what else matters. It makes me laugh and it makes me cry, until I find another show that can do that it will remain my favourite.
Juice not coming clean about being black and being coerced into being a rat still bothers me to no end
The Gemma character was based on Sonny Barger of the Hells Angels old lady Zorana and she had a lot of influence on that club.
Another nonsensical thing about Juice is that the club finds out that he’s half black and they accept it anyway. Jax and Bobby (who was an Original Nine) don’t care. Yet he still turns against them even after this.
That made absolutely no sense.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVED this show,I watched one show then ended up binge watching it from 4 in the morning until 11-12 at night. I wish they would have never ended the show or bring it back. The BEST SHOW I'VE EVER WATCHED.😊😊😊😊
The Ashbys were heard from again. There is a book done where she gets taken and Jax goes to find her.
Gemma is my favorite character. Although I love Tig early on the show. Until Tig got all fucked up up on mushrooms. His whole character changed. Overall Chibby turned out to be my favorite all time favorite character!!! SOA!!!!
There was a shootout in the middle of a busy freeway and after the shootout they all pull over to the side and talk about their next strategy all calm like taking their time and not a even the sound of a siren it was sooo fucken dumb i hated this show since
there's a book in which jax has to save trinity from being kidnapped or something like that
Would love to find that
That life is insane, bro. Ive seen it firsthand. They're the Mafia on scoots. A conga line of gorillas with knives at each others' backs.
The one thing I wish the show didn't convolute was John Teller's death. It was very much confirmed that Clay messed with John's bike, which caused the accident to happen. But then one of the last episodes throws in a different narrative that JT allowed his bike to crash. This brings up a lot of questions like why would he do that when he was on his way to get the Club out of guns with a set up meeting? Even his knowledge that if Jax follows in his footsteps, he would go down a dark path just like him, and he was determined to make sure that wouldn't happen. It wasn't too late, and John wasn't the kind of guy to just allow himself to die while there was still a chance to save his own son and even the Club.
I don't understand why people get all hung up on "this didn't make sense" or "that's reprehensible", that's the whole point of a TV show/movie, it's a break from reality, Bruce Willis took out a helicopter with a motorcycle in Live Free or Die Hard, is that going to happen in real life? I don't really need a magic 8-ball on that one.
The fact opie was still in the club after his wife was murdered disgusts me. Was Donna not worth more than that!
😂 The last man who tried to *correct* me had a close encounter with my cast iron skillet. 😂
Another classic American caution tale but like ope ‘Ryan’ said in an interview.. one watch is enough. So many narcissistic characters, let alone serial killers, tragic tales held together by delusion of familial grandeur. The jail violence was horrific no one in their right mind would let their loved ones be subjected to any of that & call it honor that’s some twisted stuff if so.
If you like SOA the spin-off (Mayans M.C.) is worth a watch imo, what do y'all think? 3 seasons out already + a 4th on the way.
Mayans is weak in MY OPINION, wish we would've got First 9 instead.
@@cbcbrown88 100% agree
Its average at best. Just like SOA
I agree Mayans is so lame compared to SOA. I know you'll never get as good as SOA, But the first 9 could have come very close if done right. Miss this show, defo one of the best evers imo. Xo 🏍 #RedwoodOriginal
#ReaperCrew
It’s better than soa soa is terrible
For one you begin to picky Wtf lol
And gimma never made any decisions I don’t recall ever seeing her have a seat at the table!
There's a novel that about sons that takes place some where in season 4 ish...timelines a little wonky in the book...but it's about opie, Jax ,and chibbs going to save his sister from Russian mobsters who "kidnapped" her and took her to nevada
3:30 - technically, escort businesses are legal. There's no law against paying someone for their attendance at a certain place/time. It is definitely a fine line, and a lot of time "escort" is just a fancy way of saying "prostitute", but allegedly the business Nero was running was legitimate. He even mentioned his permits to run such a business. It was a whole thing.
Riding in tennis shoes while Patched was what kept me from gettin anymore passed the first 30 minutes of Season one/Episode one.
I'm from the old skool rules of 1%er Life and nobody flew colors in anything but steel toed work boots.
Agree. I was in a 3 patch territorial MC (out in good standing). Everyone wore boots. Once I became a slickback I'd wear whatever. Even tennis shoes, though I still normally wear boots. Never tennis shoes while wearing my cut though.
I used to have a lot of issues trying to watch any kind of medical show because of knowing what was true and what was bogus. I finally figured out to just let it go and stop nitpicking.
Jax never came across as a tough guy to me. Opie, Chibs,Tig yeah. But Jax looked more like an Ambercrombie model than an outlaw biker.
He didn’t drag them they volunteered to go with him to Ireland!
Re-marrying after your spouse dies is a risky venture. If heaven turns out to be real, it would be awkward to meet your first wife again while you've still got one on the go on earth.
I didnt know anything about the RICO Act until watching SOA, i really learned a lot watching this amazing series, from organized crime, drug cartels, the whole bikers community, undercover double agents(Danny Trejo was absolutely amazing in his role). Kurt Sutter did a superb job on this show, it was just like dramatized documentary into the whole biker culture. PS: RIP Sonny Barger, The OG of MC culture.
Gemma and Tara's influence over SAMCRO is different because SAMCRO isn't a normal MC. Unless all MCs are regularly covering up their criminal enterprise...
The most unbelievable plot element in SOA was the gun traffic from Ireland to the US. The IRA smuggled guns from the US to Ireland, not the other way around. All the guns featured in the show, except for the Glocks, are made in the US.