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I hope they put it on console it would actually be pretty cool
The style of music and your video format reminds me of cowboy bebop
Let's get rid of every Call of Duty character ever because they don't show any emotion I'll wait then you don't have a story Point proven you can't get rid of Master Chief because he's so integral to Halo that Halo is basically Master Chief and master chief is Halo
Awesime vid homie.!
master chief wasn't designed to be a character he was made to be a vessel for the player to control same goes for noble six and the rookie
we had a halo character with growth, a complex personality, and character development. his name was arbiter, and we loved him.
I absolutely love Arbiter, he and Johnson are my top favorite halo characters! However, it sees 343 acts like he and elites joining the humans never existed. They're mentioned a little and the new book has Arbiter, but as far as games, I wish he would return. I miss playable elites too. 😔
Thel is my fave character. My very first tattoo was a Mark of Shame on my arm.
I have definitely missed him in Infinite but i actually really liked what we saw of him in 5. Its really cool to see his role as a leader expanded upon from the snippets we got in 3.
I do not understand the hate on his "New" armor. Like yeah its heavily designed and flashy, its Ceremonial Armor. The position of Arbiter has been brought back out of the mud in which the Prophets kept it. Its returned to a position of Legend. Of strength and prowess, so hell yeah its gonna look like that.
Also. Prophet's Bane? Mmm. Chef's kiss. Beautiful weapon. I always jokingly hope on the inside of the hand guard is an engraving of "Fuck Truth" in Sangheilli.
And the fans hated him and only retroactively loved him because introspection and gamers are separated by a 8 foot thick concrete wall that prevents them from thinking until someone popular has that thought.
@@optiTHOMAS dude 3 literally ends arby and his boys packing up to go back to sanghelios of course 343 wouldn’t mention that him and his boys. They are back on sanghelios the ones we fight are literally not affiliated with him stop this stupid shit where 343 ignores something when it’s convenient to your next 343 pwn.
@@thedude4840 Wait seriously? People hated The Arbiter?
Why the hell should they move along without the Chief if he’s the main reason why Halo even exists? There never be a Halo title without the Chief unless maybe if it’s a spin-off but, otherwise hell no. Like they all say “Never say no to the Chief” I consider it illegal to banish Chief from his own games! “Wait, that’s illegal” sorry, I had to do that.
Halo 3: ODST was basically the only Halo that had no Master Chief, but my god ODST is amazing.
@@Oyebadumn you forgot reach.... An unforgivable sin
@@dinosirbone ok then
@@dinosirbone Well, I forgot because it wasn't one of the Halo games I fondly remember of playing when I was young. Halo 3 and ODST was my first Halo games. Reach came much later when it was ported to MCC.
@@Oyebadumn ok all is forgiven
I will not enjoy Halo the same way without the Spartan who started it all, I totally think the entire franchise should end off with him, whenever it does
When it comes to the spartan that started everything. Noble 6 From Reach started everything. Maybe you should think for a second before commenting.
@@YigitCanAydinSS nobody has made fun of you yet, you are in time to delete your comment
@@YigitCanAydinSS technically the Spartan(s) that started everything in the games was/were Spartan Red Team from Halo Wars.
@@bigtasty42069 Dayum bro he probably pissing and shitsing his pants rn
@@YigitCanAydinSS chill out fanboy, we get it, you like noble 6.
(almost) Everything Chief says is impactful and holds weight, Steve Downes' performance has really been bringing chief to life
The great voice work from steve downs and the great mocap and body language really give chief a ton of character! Good stuff, man!
@@optiTHOMAS ahh I sometimes forget how important the mocap is, I saw some footage of it a while back!
Literally the reason being "he's silent and gives no emotions" is literally what Doom Guy is. It's not just Chief that makes Halo being Halo. But he's the main staple of the franchise and is deservedly so...
A halo title without chief maybe.
But halo without chief? Never.
He's going to die one d ay remember.
Good point.
EXACTLY
ODST, Reach. Bungie already moved on since they thought halo 3 was the end of chiefs story.
Halo Reach and ODST are great halos mostly without chief.....
I mean it’d be dumb to kill off the Master Chief unless they knew for sure it’d be the grand finale of the series/timeline, but it would be nice to play as other protagonists that are distinctly different to play as. Wrap up his story for a momentary hiatus while you focus on other avenues. Like if Halo infinite had different spartan characters you can cycle through for different experiences. You’d have an old school spartan 2 with halo 3 inspired equipment, a spartan 3 with reach/4 inspired armor abilities, and a spartan 4 with halo 5 style movement options. And each of those mechanics are modified to be more powerful and versatile then their original games. And then later on you could throw in playable elites like everyone wants, but also other covenant species that we’ve never played as before outside of the halo wars side games. And THEN it could translate to Halo multiplayer, where it’d feel like a pseudo TF2 or hero shooter feel without feeling overly invasive to the overall experience, because each of those plays types was a thing of halo in the past, just side by side with old and new.
that would be very difficult to balance
Halo Infinite was originally supposed to be a hero shooter. but then they realized that’s not Halo. i would love to see what happened with all the spartans like spartan stone, griffin, makovich, etc.
@@angerypotato7430
My suggestion would be to release all the tools for it first for forge an custom games, and challenge the masses to take their best shot at it. 343 then takes notes from the mass stress test and adjusts their own plans accordingly.
I've heard poeple talking about a dead space style horror game with a marine/odst and the flood
If chief does eventually get replaced or die, Jerome could be his replacement.
It's fine not having Chief playable in every game or mission. ODST, Reach, and Arbiter proved that. It's just that Halo 5 failed miserable at it. 343 has some great ideas but bad executions.
Thing is Halo 2 had a good combination of arbiter and chief missions which made it perfect and reach and ODST were spin-off so that's why they were okay but a main line Halo game without Chief being the main character or at least taking up a good portion of the campaign as a playable character is in the eyes of the community not acceptable which is why Halo 5 is the black sheep
@@mr.breadman4181
Isn't Reach just Noble Team and the community likes it?
@@carlgman7420 the point is, it was a Halo game that took place before Chief woke up on the Autumn - Noble 6 being a way to show why Humanity was on its last legs to begin with, and also the reason Chief was able to reach the Autumn. Either way, that is still Halo with Chief.
The video is showing a guy who wants the future of Halo to have nothing to do with Chief. Literally nothing. They say he's a silent and bland character, when everything points to the contrary, and just shows that the guy has played literally no Halo games at all.
Well, Halo 2 spaced the missions out well and had an almost same amount of missions as opposed to Halo 5 with 3 out of 15 missions being with the Chief.
Honestly Halo 5: Guardians felt like a prequel to the actual Halo 5 that never happened. When Infinite started we just skipped everything Halo 5 setup with the Rogue A.I and the UNSC vs Cortana.
Not that I'm complaining because Infinite turned out to be my third favorite campaign of the series.
@@route77productions The thing is, Arbiter was more hated than Locke (when comparing percentage) when he was first shown and played to the point that Bungie actively considering killing the Arbiter off-screen due to the amount of hate that they were getting over their decision to add human elements to the Covenant.
I like where they are heading with Chief in Infinite, so he should definitely stay in the main games, but at least the Halo Series staying with Chief was a mistake, they should have told their own story with their own Spartan to not be tied down to character expectations.
Honestly if they did that with a new spartan than I think the show would have been much better recieved
Quite literally this would’ve made the show well received, having their own idea of a halo universe, one without chief at the front, would’ve made it seems like a passion project, instead of doo doo paper.
Yeah, infinite has great characterization of chief! And I've always been able to relate to him over the years without him having to remove his helmet thanks to incredible mocap, animations, and spectacular voice work from steve downs! They just completely did chief wrong in that new show. 343 has a bad habit of making everything revolve around chief though. There been great games without him. He was always there, but not the main focus. But rather part of something bigger, the unsc and survival of humanity.
Yes. Unfortunately creativity runs thin in media these days. Why come up with your own story when you can wrap it up in a big name like Halo, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, etc etc. That way to further guarantee that people will watch it, and then you don't have to care about actually doing a good job.
In the end, something great is made less, they make money, and the audience hates them. Then they do it again.
If halo 4 was about a new edgy eregant selfish spartan 4 that find chief and learn from him what being a spartan is it would've been good way to introuduce a new protagonist but what happend happend
The argument falls flat because the author erroneously believes seeing the character's face is equivalent to characterization. Master Chief is a blank slate for players, *he could look like anyone who plays the game!* Chief could have a head shaped like the abominations made in Oblivion or Dark souls for all I care, just as long as his helmet stays on.
As for moving to new characters, I want the Arbiter back.
They didnt just say it was bcuz you couldnt see his face. He also said cheif rarely shows emotion or personal growth throughout the entire series, which is a valid point
@@spacedout4061 its called being stoic. Which is something the writer doesn't seem to understand.
@@thatguywhoplayswot7282 characters are supposed to change throughout their life and throughout the series they are in. Especially main characters. Stoicism is often just an excuse for not bothering to flesh out a character more
@@spacedout4061 dude chief has literally seen several scientists be composed with him as the lone survivor, had a spartan die in his arms, watched as one of the only people he would consider a friend was being tortured and lost a companion that he's had since day ONE. I'm pretty sure that would emotionally harden someone to the point that you show almost no emotion.
@@silentwraith41mc57 lame fuckin excuse. If anything that would make him more likely to show emotion
"Cheif is silent only gives short answers and has no emotons"
Isnt that what most spartans are meant to be?
If I'm correct that's what I through III's re supposed to be, could just be the II's
@@kobieharrison8931 probably both butnim leaning towards the II's
Well, he is the main character, shouldnt he at least be interesting past being a rlly good soldier
@@spacedout4061 every spartan is like that, thats what makes them a spartan
@@Deaglan753 why should master chief be like every other spartan? Shouldnt the main character be the main character for a reason?
I will agree that Chief's story probably should have ended after Halo 4 and moved on to something else. But getting rid of him because he's silent is dumb, this guy clearly enjoys the have TV show too much. I mean Gordon Freeman is silent and he's still arou... oh wait
Chief was great in infinite. It would of been quite brutal to end his story with the death of Cortana in my view. Infinite felt like the closing of the book as Chief seems to accept Cortana is gone by the end of the game.
All great protagonists were at one point silent… most of them anyways.
Link from Zelda.
@@thefiresworddragon927 HUYAAA UYAAA HUHAA
Fuck yes. Halo 4 is the the ending to Johns story in my mind
The way I see it, Halo started out with the premise that the Chief that you're playing as (and maybe his twin that your friend sat next to you played as too) is potentially the last Spartan alive. This immediately gives things a very.... daunting.... but inspiring feeling, playing as perhaps humanity's real last hope.
All of the main manufacturing plants, training facilities and science bases for the Spartan program went up in flames since Reach was destroyed.
They try to hammer this point home. That you really could be the last. This, imho, was when the Chief was at his all time high. Around Halo 2 and 3 where we were still pretty sure we were the only Spartan II left. We could really embody him in the games, and his one liners were becoming iconic AF.
Then we get a glimpse into the past, to fill the shoes of a Spartan III team on Reach. Not as strong, as athletic, or as tough as the Spartan II that our main man the Chief is, but these guys are still Spartans, and extremely deadly.
The plateau that Bungie left the Chief on.... 343 tried to turn it into a mountain, and it crumbled. And Chief fell. Oh god damn did he fall.
Rentacop Spartans flood the entire lore, Spartans that nobody wants to relate with because they're volunteers with gung-ho typical American badass personalities and it's not engaging or exciting, it's cringe. The more they muddied the waters, the more they grew bored with the Chief as a character.
You see, 343 clearly want to tell heartfelt and deep stories about their Spartans. We don't really want that. We've never wanted that.
It's kinda like Halo being purchased by your Mother. All these cool characters and she just wanna writes a love story.
And the result is, this. You got people saying the Master Chief needs to die.
That's a great way of putting how the communtiy feels.
There was a perfect storyarc and wrap up after Halo 3.
Now if feels like Chief is being dug up and taking down a peg. Spartans are everywhere and Chief no longer gets the respect of a lone saviour of humanity ("I order you to surrender thay AI", "I thought you'd be taller", etc.)
The awe is gone, the mythical essence of being _the_ supersoldier is gone. Now he's back to being a pawn and ruining his entire original arc.
It's like if Goku from DBZ went back to being a whimsical kid, and on par with Yamcha/Tien/other Z-fighters. You can't do that after the series blows a huge load. There either needs to be a raising of stakes (good luck with that, as Halo 3 had galatic scale extinction consequences) or he needs to become a mentor/non-main character.
343i had the limelight for small scale intermediate games like ODST and parrallel stories like Reach, but chose the cowards way and dug Chief up for cheap iconography sake.
"Rentacop Spartans flood the entire lore, Spartans that nobody wants to relate with because they're volunteers with gung-ho typical American badass personalities and it's not engaging or exciting, it's cringe."
*40k fans* : You should have kept your mind in blissful ignorance, away from the heresies of man. If only you could know what terrors they are capable of
Wasn't Jorge a spartan 2?
@@brodyratliff7441 Yes, but he was transfered to Noble team. Everyone else is Spartan 3s.
Halo reach is my favorite halo game because it didn't have chief, but also because it explained what happened before ce and how humanity was in a desperate struggle to survive. Reach made the halo games feel more significant and emotional because it showed how the odds were heavily against humanity and that master chief saved the human race and even the entire universe from total annihilation. Without reach we wouldn't have truly grasped how desperate the war was for humanity and how much weight was being placed on chiefs shoulders. I think they should make an arc for chief in which the fighting is finally over and he can take the suit off. It is referenced several times throughout the novels and graphic novels that chief wants to eventually take off the armor and become a higher rank within the UNSC that doesn't involve him fighting to save humanity. I think it is an excellent idea to delve into the diplomatic side of chief that doesn't want to fight all the time, and instead take off the armor. Maybe they could make a game about the stories of Spartans such as the members of blue team or how a lot of spartan 4's transitioned from being odsts to becoming Spartans. There is so much more in the halo universe than just chief, but I still want his face to be a secret to the players because if they showed his face then everything would be ruined.
While I can support Cheif turning into a mentor figure. It can't work because he needs the armour, he needs to be faceless.
If anything he could be a live fire drill instructor of a new batch of Spartans, when something goes wrong and he then needs to guide his recruits through their situation, popping in and out either other comms or in background scenery (through "glass windows").
Gears of War took this aproach with Marcus, and to my knowledge it worked fairly well. That's because Marcus was already done with fighting at the end of GoW3 and we put to rest only to be pulled back as a supporting character by his son. Cheif doesn't have those options, so having pseudo-children through recruits would have been a safe play.
When I read the title I thought "What did 343 screw up this time?" Glad is just a journalist haha
Don't be surprised when 343 tries to get rid of chief too though
Man why does everyone hate 343 so much?
@@brodyratliff7441 I don't really hate 343, it's just that they are the common denominator when it comes to BIG failures in Halo and the bad reputation the franchise has nowdays. Besides, they don't really seem to be improving overall, for each step forwards they go two steps backwards.
@@brodyratliff7441 because they are children that take all the good from 343 with no compassion or thanks, and anything small 343 does wrong in their eyes is somehow a cardinal sin. They are usually Bungie purists.
I like how all of the reasonings to get rid of Master Chief are all the reasons why I like the Master Chief. Bungie knew what they were doing, they made Chief silent with no growth because it wasn’t about the master chief, it was about the player. The point was to let the player feel how they wanted to feel about what was going on. This is why I don’t like 343’s master chief and the way they write their stories, they always try to make you feel a certain emotion rather than letting the emotion happen naturally. I personally didn’t care that much that Cortana was going rampant, or perhaps I would have if the writers weren’t trying to force that emotion out of me. It just made me cringe, as does pretty much everything involving halo nowadays. I miss Bungie.
I would say it's more about the players relationship with the setting than the actual player. Halo focuses more of the setting than any one character. Halo CE was Alpha Halo, Halo 2 was about Arbiter's relationship with his faith as well as his relationship with Halo, Halo 3 was more about Earth and the Ark, Halo Wars was about the war itself, ODST was about New Mombasa/the Portal, and Halo Reach was about Reach. There are characters in those games, but none of them except Arbiter were ever a main focus, and Arbiter was just used as a proxy for the Elites to justify them joining the UNSC.
@@gabethebabe3337 well the setting is a whole other thing to analyze, I was just talking about the master chief specifically because that’s what the video was about lol. But you bring up a good point, about the player’s relationship with the setting. To go along with what I was saying, that relationship is much more natural when the player is given a silent “husk” to experience the setting with, how they themselves would experience it. Versus playing a character that speaks about how they feel about the setting. This is one of the reasons why I kind of don’t like ODST. I really don’t like the characters I’m playing as speaking their mind, because sometimes it contradicts with how I think about the situation and breaks immersion with the setting. I no longer feel like I’m experiencing it for myself and rather I’m just stuck in someone else’s head and have no control over how they think.
Just imagine Halo 1, 2, 3, ODST, or Reach with master chief/arbiter/rookie/noble 6 commentating about what was going on and how they felt about what was happening. I don’t think Halo would be looked at as fondly if that were the case, even if the commentary was well written. That’s basically my whole point, and the fact that anyone thinks that master chief should be replaced because he doesn’t speak enough shows how blind they are to what makes a video game’s setting like Halo’s immersive to play. It’s because the character you play as shuts the fuck up and let’s you think for yourself.
343's chief isn't too bad. Not the same as Bungie's chief, but they both get the job done just as easily. At least it isn't Paramount's chief
@@thediam0nddrag0n78 I refuse to believe that Paramounts Chief is the same guy from the games
@@fewpew5787 he isn't. If he was the same, he wouldn't be having sex with a spy sent by the aliens that have been attacking for over 20 years
I saw this article posted by CBR ..and i just thought.."Dumbasses saying some dumbass things...dont mind it!!" These jerks dont even know the point of a character like Masterchief existing in the franchise...That stoic yet no-nonsense duty bound super soldier persona is what makes him what he is. He do have emotions, but supress them so it doesn't interfere with his missions. Ofcourse how would these people know??..they dont know a shit about Halo lore
Honestly chief is probably one of the characters with the MOST actual character growth I've ever seen in a game series
it’s going to happen eventually. Halo has so much potential to expand and tell stories that don’t include chief. It would be neat to get stories based on marines who encounter a Spartan for the first time On some colony world that goes to hell. Halo could go scary and if they did that right it could be brilliant
I am 100% down with that but the main story should stay on chief I think I would love a reach style game with an elite squad maybe lead by the the ship master half jaw from h2 an h3
They can do that if they want, but to just remove Chief would be the dumbest thing ever.
Speaking of making a scary Halo game, I'd actually love a horror game set in the Halo universe. Reach and especially ODST showed just how bad a covenant invasion can get, imagine seeing it from the POV of someone who's not a spartan or ODST, just trying to survive and make their way off world before the Covenant royally screw it up.
@@TheDaxter11 Another one ive commonly seen requested is a flood horror game which i think has been made into a custom game but people want to see it as a standalone. Basically you'd be a civilian or marine from voi during the events of halo 3 when the flood invade. Trying your hardest to survive and get to an evac poing
@@barkdawg yeah main games have to be Chief but side games like what reach and ODST did I would be all down for those
The comics/books give a big insight to Chief's human side tbh. I don't even read many of them but I recall a moment of when Johnson was infected by the flood but managed to survive unharmed.
Chief later reported this to Halsey, and Halsey gave him a choice, either they report it to ONI and they take in Johnson and perform horrifying tests on him to find out how he survived the infection, or not report it at all and let his friend live and be fine.
Chief chose the second option.
Kinda off-topic but...
Having Halo 5 set as a Spartan embarking on a journey to save Master Chief would absolutely be a fantastic idea of continuing Halo's storyline, but it was directed in a NOT SO GOOD way...
Why are you saying it wasn't directed in a good way like your idea of story were true? LOL
@@sakuradabp6400 because in the end, Locke stopped Cortana from taking Master Chief and Blue Team away, therefore, he saved him.
@@haloxcloak117 It was supposed to be a hunting the Chief game, not saving it, but we all know how bad it was
Asking to get rid of master chief in halo is like asking for captain price to be removed from modern warfare
Bro Halo ISN'T Halo without Master Chief. ( I know marines and odsts are cool but still, it started with him and it's gonna end with him)
I totally agree
It's like taking Mario out of a Super Mario Bros. game, or taking Sonic out of a Sonic game, it makes no sense.
@@Oyebadumn It's the same exact thing!
Maybe you should play Reach and ODST.
@@YigitCanAydinSS Bro I mentioned them, stop being offensive
I'd maybe agree we've maybe "milked Chief dry" as in like... His story is done. I have no problem playing as other Spartans or ODST or even the elites. But saying he's a bland character that doesn't talk or have emotions just shows how so many mainstream people just want video games to be movies.
Critic: “It’s time to move past master chief and pave the way for a new main character.”
Me: “I think it’s about time for critics to give valid criticism and not a bunch of incessant whines and complaints that hold no weight. Also we tried that before, Halo: 5 died upon launch.”
he is right tho, and if he wasn't that would mean H4, H5 and Infinite are good games. He was always lame in the bungie era and he always had too much plot armor.
Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?
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Ah yes, more proof that game journalist are a joke.
“Has no emotion” he sure seemed emotional when Sam and cortana died.
Honestly I thought Halo 3 was the perfect ending for chief. Halo 4 & 5 & I are still good but honestly I was hoping in 2007 for them to move on to another silent protag. And they did it just fine with Noble 6 and Rookie. Our silent protag doesn't always have to be Chief. I'd also like to play as the arbiter and sanghelis again. Halo has a lot of room for storytelling.
The thing is is every game that has someone that isn't Chief it's a spin-off game or chief has a very big presence in the story a main line Halo game that just cuts Chief off entirely is not a good Halo game in my opinion
@@mr.breadman4181 Chief is quite old as a character and Steve Downes cant do this forever either. We can still have new younger silent protags that are cool. Reach was a prequel but not really a spinoff. It was a full package bungie game. They just need to find another good story to tell in the universe they created.
@@Ares_gaming_117 point is once downs leaves it's probably for the best if they just end the story at least the main one because it just wouldn't be right without chief
A movie explaining masterchiefs emotional turmoil and humanity already exists, it's called Soldier staring Kurt Russell. Halo isn't about a human being a supersoldier and becoming less human, it's about a supersoldier coming to terms with his past and learning how to be more human and to watch that growth.
Id honestly love another Reach style game in the halo franchise.
Hopefully mainly focusing on a squad of sangheili.
Silent shadow maybe?
Steve could really put a tad bit more emotion in his deliveries. I get the “lore explanation” but fun fact, it never ever ever says he never says anything without emotion. He isn’t monotone.
When Steve as Chief called out “CORTANA” in like 4 or 5, I did not get ANY impact from it. He sounded bored.
What..
More games like reach and odst I’m assuming
We need a game playing as Johnson during Operation TREBUCHET
No its 100% a good point.
The master chief is not and never was the main character or the driving force behind the franchise, he was a faceless husk for the player to embody as a vehicle for the gameplay.
You do not need to have the master chief in order to have a good halo game and the mast chief does not embody Halo.
Halo Is the Universe and the factions and characters that inhabit it, not the individual story of any one character or event.
Its perhaps the biggest flaw of the 343 era games in thinking that the game needs to revolve around the chief personally and be a "spartan" story.
There are many potential alternatives to the master chief that could be used as vehicles for the story, weather that be another faceless protagonist solely existing to act as a means of conveying the player, or a unique character in thir own right who has there own backstory and motivations.
Imagine a game centered on the insurrection where you get to play as a Rebel or a UNSC Marine, or perhaps a game set during the height of the human covenant war from the perspective of the covenant.
Maybe a Zombie/Survival horror game where you play as a Marine or civilian trapped on a flood infested ship trying to escape?
All of these ideas would work and none of them require the master chief.
So yes, it is time to move on from the master chief.
Because until we do the franchise will never evolve past being a subpar sequel franchise.
The mario and sonic analogy was actually a good point
I'm gonn argue the point that Halo: CE was amazing because, 'You FELT like Chief'. This was the first ever Halo game and Master Chief's first outing. No one would have care if 'it made you feel like Chief' because no one knew who the hell he was yet. No, the REAL reason for why CE was so good was because the combat was fantastic, the level design phenomenal, the music memorable, the Sci-Fi concepts unique, and the world had a subtle humor to it that blended surprisingly well with the action and horror elements.
Well said. An efficient, concise video. Just like how Chief would make it
I personally think they need to explore other mediums of telling stories within the universe. The Chief doesn't need to be replaced, but there is so much stuff that can be made from pre-existing lore that can be so good. I don't want him gone, because I like where the story progresses, but I would love another one shot like ODST, or Reach or even a game about the Marines. Delving into Johnsons origins during his career against the Insurrectionists and his first contact with the covenant on Harvest. What I am disappointed about with the current story is so much ass-pulling of plot details to make up for "mistakes" they made from Halo 5. It just feels like they keep making a bigger and bigger enemy that only a single person can tackle, or completely trivializing all aspects of the world that they had a hand in building.
Infinites story was alright, but like with most AAA games these past years, its polished mechanics could not hide the lack of content still present within the game and the rushed story that if done like any other halo game would have amounted to maybe 1 - 2/3rds of a normal title in the franchise. I enjoyed the open world during my time with the game, but I don't feel it did anything for the game other then create a lot of needless busy work that really did not add anything to the game itself.
The entirety of Infinite is basically a rehash of CE's early game ring levels.
It is literally 1/3 of a game, with a neat updated mechanic coat of paint and a Far Cry like thin veil of "open world" content.
It's the white bread of the campaigns, and the praise it's was getting shows how low the franchise standards have gotten.
"Blank character with no growth" has he not played any of 343s games, literally all they've done is character growth for chief
I can see a few good directions for halo to go in.
Some settings for games:
-A final Master Chief game. Where the ending is Chief finally settling down after saving humanity for the -nth time again.
-A halo game either focusing on black team or the early spartan II years, which can play into that “team” stuff they were going for in Halo 5. Could make for excellent change of gameplay in addition to basically ensuring a co-op experience.
-A covenant based game. Where we see the brutality against humans with maybe Spartan IIs and IIIs making a cameo as harder opponents. Will allow for excellent exploring of the covenant religion, culture and brutality against humanity.
-Another ODST game? People have been talking about flood horror? I think this can be implemented such as a high charity survival game where you play as an ODST prisoner.
- A halo spin-off like Halo Wars where you command fleets in naval battles in key moments during the human covenant war.
-Another Spartan III game 🤷♂️
These are just concepts and they can make MANY many games. I personally have been playing Halo my whole life, twenty years. I think Halo does need to explore more than master Chief. We’ve only had a few games that few people have played that aren’t master Chief in comparison to the mainline Halo games.
even halo 3 chief showed emotion trying to find cortana franticaly
He’s quiet because he’s a soldier who thinks himself more machine than man, which is actually pretty deep, meaning when he DOES show emotion, you know it’s meaningful. Silent doesn’t mean boring
no one could have said it better
They also seem to have overlooked his title of 'Reclaimer' and how important he is to humanities destiny in the 25th century. Chief himself is still on this discovery process.
Quite frankly, the complaint is coming from a box ticking camp without an original idea amongst its entire collective to start with. All they know how to do is steal and destroy due to having their creativity and critical thinking skills utterly squashed by their pathetic identity politics which only serves to destroy their own anyway. People are finally starting to see through it and unite against it, having seen the rotten fruit it produces and that all it does is divide and destroy people.
I feel his emotionless state makes him more compelling because it allows for stories about his growth from being an emotionless machine to a Human
I hate inclusivity because of this problem. It’s not like everyone understands a piece of media
You know, as long as they can make some good spin offs like Reach or ODST again, I’ll be fine
A story doesn’t need a good character it just needs good writing
Awww hell nah, we just got the chief back in infinite, you can't just take him away now
Yeah killing your beloved franchise mascot always works out
"He's basically a blank character with no growth."
That is what he is.
If they kill chief and want to keep the series going, Jerome would have to take his place or something.
Good blank characters museum!
Exhibit A: Mandalorian.
Exhibit B: Doomguy.
Exhibit C: Link.
Exhibit B: Mario.
There are three perspectives of Master Chief
The DoomGuy perspective - where a player may not be familiar with Halo and it's story, but can recognize and understand a badass, superhuman character ready to kill things at a moments notice without much dialogue.
The Veteran perspective - Someone who is aware of Chief's past, his lore, his history, and knows that this is more than enough character development than most games could muster.
The Bungie perspective - In an old Vidoc, Bungie described the Chief as nothing more than a vessel for the player. As such, there is little need for excessive dialogue. Chief was created with players in mind instead of trying to force relatability, which in the end made him more iconic.
The point of a silent character in a videogame is for the player to fit into said character.
Granted, 343's MC is more of a character than Bungie's because they wanted to make him more of his own thing, and less of a blank slate to let the player immerse themselves.
I think a big thing that the guy kindof gets right, is that 343 need to move away from focusing so much on SPARTANS in particular.... There's so much more to Halo than the Spartans.
If Sonic is the silent character then who said "That tornado's carrying a car!"
Master Chief is like the Link from Zelda they create that "Link" between character and player that makes them one single entity and giving master chief a face and emotions and voice will just create a character that you relate to or not but no more of that "I am the one in the helmet" feeling.
“Only gives short answers and shows no emotions.” I guess that guy didn’t see the cutscene where master chief showed empathy for Echo-216 and had a semi-heart to heart speech with him to make him feel better
It's a journalist covering a video game. You expect them to know anything about the game/video game characters they are covering?
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I mean, personally, I want to become a video game journalist, because A, I could be the only video game journalist in the world who ACTUALLY knows how to play games (I'm not pro, flying games are the only games I'd consider even being barely in that category, I'm definitively amateur and casual player), and B, since I'm so lacking in skill (I'd never beat Dark Souls), I can use that to joke about my "journalist skills" unironically. Having things to laugh about is worth it.
And let's be real, those people only do their journalism on games because it's basically free money. The guy who did Cuphead got paid to slander the game. So me getting to do reviews that actually are about the game proper and get paid for it? Honestly, I'm down for that. Especially since it means that some other person who doesn't know what they're doing doesn't slander the game in my place.
Is that me being chaotic neutral? I think it is.
I don’t understand these people who say franchises need to move past certain original characters or events - sometimes, franchises just need to die an honourable death.
I mean I can see a reality where Chief’s story ends at 3, and his legacy lives through the next generation of spartans.
How would the story continue after 3 if there is no Master Chief?
Yeah I read that article and it’s obvious they haven’t even finished halo infinite. Here’s an example with minimal spoilers - Weapon: “Are you okay?”, Chief: “No”.
Breaks my heart every time hearing a tough, supposedly emotionless spartan admit to something like that. FYI - Reach is my favorite campaign and imo has the best game balance of all games especially on legendary. But halo without Chief is like the Arkham series without Batman.
Just because we want to play as Arbiter too. Doesn't mean we don't want Master Cheif.
Master Chief should go down with a bang like an epic fight against a precursor controlling a massive flood force returning to the Galaxy, if not then heck no.
I read this yesterday and I do believe that that man was intoxicated while writing
That company that hired the writer to say that should move on without him
We might as well move past Doom Guy and Mario 💀
They don't want a video game they want an interactive movie
Honestly, one of the first issues I had with 343 was how quick they brought Chief back into the mix.
If it were me instead of Frank, I would’ve done more side material before waking Chief up from cryo. Like imagine a Covenant centered campaign, so many stories to tell there (The Schism, Taming of the Hunters, the birth of the Banished).
Or maybe more ODST stuff. Again, an unmeasurable amount of potential with having the books adapted to gameplay albeit with some adjustments.
Or (particularly what I would’ve done) tell the Forerunner story set way in the past detailing how they DIED (yes, *died* . At the very least, it’d be to gauge player reaction to fighting Forerunner enemies and the Flood to potentially put them in Halo 4.) I would’ve left them dead. Better off that way
The difference between Master Chief and Mario, is Chief is apart of a genuine story where as Mario’s universe doesn’t take itself seriously, and doesn’t have a actual story. It’s just a repeat of the same story.
Please don’t think I don’t take super Mario bros seriously. I know there is an actual timeline ( according to matpat )
I wouldn't say he was apart of a genuine story until about Halo 4. In Halo 1-3, he was largely just a vehicle for players to experience beating down aliens religiously. He had about as character impact as Doom Guy.
Not every character needs a talkative personality. We love Master Chief because he’s silent and wise.
I feel it will be healthy to move past Cheif eventually, bit it certainly doesn't need to be yet
Man spit more fax in one minute than most do in a whole video essay.
“It’s time for Metroid to move past Samus”
The journalist never watched the Bungie Halo 3 documentary because it answers his complaints.
I believe we should have a new character. I really enjoyed how Reach placed us into a new squad with a time period of tragedy.
I love Chief though, sometimes I think there’s a lot of stories to dive into rather than our man in green. Killing him off though? No, he shouldn’t die even on his last story.. John deserves better than that.
Sonic isn't silent on the 3d games unlike Mario, also, Master Chief grew more as a character in Halo 4 than Halo 5
Guy who created the TV series adaptation: we need to move on from Master Chief. He’s a dull character who never removes his helmet.
Also guy who created the TV series adaptation: we didn’t play any of the games, just borrowed elements about the game’s story.
Why do “game journalists” think we care about their opinions
Having Halo without Chief is like have a sandwich without anything other than bread
The funny thing is that after Halo MCC dropped on PC, tons of people from different cultures, both men and women, uploaded their first playthroughs of the series and ended up loving the Chief specifically because he's a blank slate character in the first 3 games. The same goes for Noble 6, who I personally feel more attached to than Chief thanks to the armor customization.
Chief is the perfect vehicle for the player to view the Halo universe from, however. He's blank enough for the player to feel immersed, never even showing his face, yet still such a badass that you believe he's the right guy for the job (which also helps play into the power fantasy gameplay of being a Spartan).
I would like to see more spin-offs though, imagine a halo wars type of game but it’s first person, call it something like Halo: Legacies. It could have a full narrative story with a set cast or take the BattleField 1 route and do war stories, then it would really open up possibilities, you could play as Jerome from Red team one mission, you could even switch it up completely and play as the first arbiter to be disgraced from “The Duel” in Halo legends, or even play as a forerunner fighting the flood from way back when Forerunners were fighting ancient humans and that’s when the flood first came about (to my knowledge), or you could play the outskirts mission from H2 except you play as that marine sniper on the rooftop in the cutscene, you fight in a complete different area and since your so much more vulnerable your mission is to mainly scout targets headed towards the crash site and let Johnson know and that’s when he would call out the positions that you heard as the chief in the original mission. Or imagine playing as a flood combat form taking part in invading a covenant cruiser. Idk just a thought
At this point with 343, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually took into consideration this article
Its so stupid because master chief doesnt HAVE to show emotion or change. Its the environment around him that does, he just seeks to control/protect it.
I’d love another title with out chief as a MC, but I would NEVER want him to be killed or written out. I’d just like another view of the universe like ODST
It was a topic of much debate when we were waiting for Halo: Infinite to come out. Some people were saying 343 should just take another character like Jerome-092 and use him as the main flag character because Chief was 'old' and had 'run his course'. We've seen titles without the Chief; ODST, Reach, Halo Wars 1 and 2, Strike and Assault, etc etc and sure, they do fine, but that's because events happening still indicate that the Chief is off on his own adventure and we're just seeing someone else's adventure for a moment. But you can not have Halo without the Chief, it just doesn't work that way.
It's why Gears 4 and 5 still include Delta Squad, the devs knew that without them, it's just not the same (though 5 focused more on Marcus, JD, and his crew more than Delta.) Long standing games that have a beloved face to the franchise will usually live on until they can no longer. So Link, Mario, Samus, Spyro, Crash, Chief, Marcus, they'll all be a part of their respective titles, even if the game isn't directly about them.
Halo CE, Halo 3, Halo 4, and Halo Infinite were Cheif exclusive games. Halo 2 and Halo 5 had Cheif buy cycled through other characters too. Halo 3: ODST, Halo Reach, Halo Wars 1, Halo Wars 2, and Spartan Assault all excluded Cheif. Having him in a game or not seems to be less important to its success than who is developing the game.
To make a Pesci reference:
Master Chief: 20 years after my debut and a**holes want me gone? I started this adventure and franchise. HALO only exists because of me!
End of reference. And additionally what about Doom guy? Hmm?
Dude, I saw this too, and I considered sending a link to the Act Man to see what he would do with it, but I decided not to what with his situation at the time.
This article grabbed my attention with the title, but after reading it, this person clearly has no idea what they're talking about.
The whole point of the chief is to let us step on HIS shoes. Not be a whiny armored baby or "relatable". Tf do i wanna relate to? No, we like being the badass cyborg man that kicks alien ass in outer space and blows up ringworlds for fun.
I started in the days of Halo 2 but i really do like the development 343 did on Chief.
It speaks to the gaming landscape of the times too. Back in the og 3 (2001-2007) the silent protagonist dropping quips was the culture, but since about 2011 we see a lot more development in the people we play as.
And amazingly OG Chief and Reclaimer Chief still feel consistent.
In CE to 3 Chief had been at this a while. Covenant were a known threat and so Chief didn't need to do much more than grab a weapon and kick ass.
But since 4 the universe is in new and uncharted waters. The Didact and his Promethians, Covie Remnants that fight and act similar but still different enough to be worth a reassessment. The Created? The Banished? These are new and unknown threats, so people have to talk and coordinate more again as the fight has changed.
if anything do stuff like when he was deployed like chi cheti or reach or the insurrection or idk the hidden parts of the war
There is no Halo without Master Chief
“It’s time for the Super Mario franchise to move past Mario”
“Sometimes it pays to be the strong silent type” Dutch halo 3 odst
I've seen that article. There's a lot of bad ideas floating around about today's media.
They want to get rid of Master Chief because he personifies masculinity.
mr man in the article obviously doesn't know the role master chief has in the series
We've had games and modes not focused on Chief but getting rid of him entirely doesn't seem like a smart move unless they enforce a fate worse than death on him where he basically just exists for publicitiy's sake like Wolverine or Batman.