Why Was Golden Sun So Good?
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- Why was Golden Sun so good? There's a lot to love in this series, and today Parker looks at what makes Golden Sun still unique to this day. Some of its best features are the use of puzzles in a JRPG and how it uses Djinn, as well as an interesting world, impressive graphics and much more. Here, we look at the past, present and future of Golden Sun to see why it was so good, the reason it went missing, and how Golden Sun could come to the Nintendo Switch. Let's talk about it!
Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:27 - Why Golden Sun?
1:23 - Glorious Past of Golden Sun
7:44 - Present Lack of Golden Sun
10:04 - Potential Future of Golden Sun
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Golden Sun is still my all time favorite game series of all time. I remember saving up my birthday money and having my mom drive me to Toys R Us to buy a copy in 2002
Ahhh the good old days. You must be around my age. Whenever dad took me to Toys R Us to buy a game it was a whole event
@@FSVR54 I miss those days! Getting a new game was a BIG deal! I feel like I have access to so many games now that I don’t know any of them as well as I did. I could get completely immersed in a game for weeks on my GBA
My uncle bought me Golden Sun as my first GBA game in Toy R Us too
This game made me quit weed when I was 15 ❤
😍 I get sooo nostalgic when I see the Graphics. Reminds me of little me and my friends passing the Gameboy around in school when I was like in Fourth grade.
The mind reading was one of my favorite features of the Golden Sun games. Each little town felt like more lively with the extra dialogue
Also, the music is good. Elemental Stars, Forest's Requiem, and Venus Lighthouse are some of my favorites. Page one is my ringtone 😁
I'd like to see the 2 GBA games combined into a single game as they were meant to be.
It would be amazing 🎉
I would love them to remake it and combine the two. Better the graphics, change some of the cutscenes so their truly cinematic and with voice over acting, add a few quality of life things like a quest log (nothing so handholdy as markers but just enough of a description so you won’t forget what you’re doing if life gets in the way). Leave everything else the same mechanic wise and I promise people would pay money for it. Release on all systems.
It’s gonna be a nightmare to link the two on NSO
So you would start from scratch at the halfway point? Newcomers probably wouldn't like that
@@emarskineelI think it would be fine as long as it's presented correctly.
It's crazy to me how it seems like still to this day no other RPG has really nailed the Golden Sun thing of "the same abilities you use in battle are also used casually exploring & to solve puzzles." It seems like such an obvious slam-dunk idea, it instantly makes the game world & story feel more believable and immersive.
The only thing I could think of are the action Star Wars games.
What about HM moves from older pkmn games? You can use those moves in battle and can use them to explore and solve a puzzle or two(depending on the game).
@@megawill04 true but it’s really only surf, waterfall and fly. Surf and waterfall being the only two I can think of you’ll actually need to progress the story. (I haven’t played past ruby and emerald)
Harry Potter
You don't use reveal or mind read or force or carry or lift or really anything in combat. Growth and frost are about the only ones used for both.
So nostalgic. One of my all time favorite games
Gooden sun is what made me start reading dialogue in games. And even books and anything in general it was that good
I remember the first time I played golden sun, fell in love with it almost instantly. Can't even remember how much times I played over this game. All 3 of them. Really would love to see it come to the switch
It’s now on NSO GBA expansion. Along with the lost age.
GOLDEN SUN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Will be back with substantive comment after watching the video.
No, there's something magical about you sir.
Haha you’re much too kind!
(And if you don’t stop, they’re gonna get you 😬😬)
((But thanks!!))
An HD2D Golden Sun sequel would make my head explode.
Dude, a golden sun breath of the wild style remake would be amazing! Also I feel like you forgot to mention how amazing the music was for golden sun, i havent played it since age 13 but I can still remember and hum every single one of the melodies from golden sun. If they did do a golden sun breath of the wild type remake I really hope the music would be as amazing as the original game
If you haven't played it, the Tales series might be considered close to that (but it's not completely open world). One of my favorite games is Tales of Symphonia which came out 2 years after Golden Sun.
I never played Golden Sun but I heard it's one of the best RPGs on the GBA era once I buy myself a GBA SP again I intend to buy it and try it out I've been wanting to play more old JRPGs.
A VC for switch has been leaked, and Golden Sun 1+2 are leaked as some of the first titles. I'd hold off for a year or two.
The best RPG on the system was Tactics Ogre Knight of Lodis. But Golden Sun 1+2 were good. Same people that made Shining Force so there is a lot in common with those. It makes a great first JRPG series to
Golden Sun 1 & 2 are better than most RPGs on other systems as well. So many secrets to find, so much customization, amazing cast of characters (heroes and villains), dungeons and puzzles that are fun and interesting...ah.. I could go on forever about it.
I recommend emulating it, unless you prefer original hardware.
Ohhhhh man I envy you. I'd give a lot to replay this game for the first time again.
I've been playing it for the first time on a rom and I'm loving it
I loved Golden sun I played the first and second one. The giant attack moves were my favorite part of battles back then I always though it was so cool. I also enjoyed exploring and looking for all the hidden stuff it's been so many years I wish I could play it again. I haven't played it since release.
the sound desing for those two games was incredible, the sounds when you do a lucky hit, plasma, or volcano, and the music!!
Golden Sun for me on the GBA was the same for FFVII for me on the Playstation. You cared about the characters and villains, you appreciated the world, it was consistent, the music was amazing, the concept easy, and there was tension for you to want to finish. I am not 32 and don't game as much if at all but if Golden Sun were to return as a next-gen console, I would pick it up again.
Golden Sun definitely one of the best. Even just seeing the word Golden Sun brings back memories, good memories to be exact.
Great video. I do think an isometric perspective would also serve a Golden sun revival well.
Yeah, I’d be down with that too!
Tbh… I would take baaaaasically whatever they give me lol
I don't know what's causing the flood of Golden Sun videos and retrospectives recently (seem some suggestions it's youtubers trying to get ahead of the leaked VC switch release), but glad to see the constant flow.
It really is one of (if not the) best games ever created.
A well put together video, I like seeing someone else as passionate about this series as I am. I also have some thoughts on the Metroid being done by Mercury steam because it seemed like Konami thought it was a good idea to team up with Mercury steam and launch the Lords of shadows series and completely sideline Iga, and it tanked... bad, at least in my eyes, but then they were handed Metroid, and when Dread came out, I thought it was an absolutely amazing game, I could not believe that the games were made by the same studio. My friend (who is also a Golden sun and a Metroid fan) kept putting playing it off for about a year, but when when he did buy it, he was like "I don't know why I didn't buy this sooner."
great video! I really hope they bring back this series!
One of the very few games i still go back and play once in a while, up there with ocarina of time
Honestly, I'd argue that Breath of the Wild already shows an amazing template for a Golden Sun remake or continuation. It would allow Nintendo to really explore the type of world that Breath of the Wild introduced by having a high fantasy game hosted in it. The mechanics already align perfectly with Golden Sun, especially for puzzles. Rather than fighting enemies in real time, they're still wandering the world area, but run into you to start a turn based encounter that lets them show off the art style
I absolutely LOVE Golden Sun. I spent a couple hundred hours in the first game just exploring and battling and enjoying my time in the world. When I finally started The Lost Age (which I also didn’t immediately realize was a sequel), my backup party was severely OP and destroyed any battle they were involved in.
Quick side note: according to an interview, Golden Sun actually never was intended to be on the N64. That was a different game that was ultimately scrapped before starting on Golden Sun on GBA
I also selected Golden Sun by the box art. Garet's flame looking sword specifically..
Excited to see that they are putting the game in the GBA library if you have a Nintendo Switch Online membership! Maybe it will help it gain some more popularity. Also, the summon system was so good in this game!
It’s my favorite game franchise of all time, I miss it so much 😢
Good job dude keeping golden sun alive with the reviews. I'm a big fan from mexico. I really like both games.
man i loved this series as a kid
Thanks for keeping GS alive! Loved the video and I hope they take the best parts of the 3 titles for whenever we have a 4th one
This could have been nintendo’s answer to Final Fantasy 7-9 had it come out on N64!!
I am creaming at that issac art. Glad to see GS getting the love it deserves.
This has aged well. Golden Sun is coming to the switch! I'm hella hype, it's my favorite RPG with my favorite boss battle theme (Doom Dragon)
Not the way i hoped tho...I want a new game or atleast a remake
@@wouter.d.h. I don't blame you. But GS has been out of the spotlight for a long time, so any love it gets is good to me. I still play through it at least once a year on emulator
The Thor summon in GS is the best in any media I have ever seen 😂. Man's comes flying in on mjolnir
I love Golden Sun series, playing them on Old 3DS XL. The GBA and NDS experience is awesome on the bigger screen such as that.
Golden Sun felt like an adventure. It was magical, beautiful visuals and superb Soundtrack. It was my first true JRPG and the first two games are still my all time favorites. It's a shame Camelot/Nintendo ignoring these titles. I love Xenoblade Chronicles- but Golden Sun is this one little step beyond it.
my brother put it perfectly. golden sun is the best game you've never herd of.
I'd like to see a prequel. Let us play out the events that led to the extinguishing of the lighthouses.
Have never been a non-pokemon rpg fan but this series does look interesting and it would make so much sense for them to remake them now. The iron is definitely red hot for jrpg revivals right now and golden sun fans seem to be a rare non-toxic fanbase so they deserve something good lol. The real question is will the remake be a switch pro exclusive?
Haha well said! And good question on the switch pro exclusive bit! I’ll maybe save that to discuss on the patreon-cast :)
your beard is majestic
I love the Golen Sun franchise all 3 games although the first 2 were my favorite I first found out about this franchise when I had a friend who kept telling me about so I asked if I could borrow one and he let me borrow Golden Sun 2 because he had a lot of locations unlocked already. I completed one dungeons he hadn't yet and found him a couple of djinn which he thanked me for he also thanked me for levelling up his characters. I then borrowed Golden Sun 1 after he had beaten it so I started a new file and then played the game till the end and fell in love with it too. I asked him if he would sell the games to me and he did for 5 dollars a piece. Beside Sonic advance 3 those 2 were my most played game boy advance games and number three is one of my most played DS games. I remember when I found Dark Dawn was coming out I was so excited. I remember playing through that game and the excitement I felt and sense of accomplishment I felt when I beat it for the first time. I would love for this franchise to come back I really would. I would love a remake of the first two a remake of the third one would be nice too and then give me a new one.
when i was a kid i saw this game in a game magazine, and i said to myself, im gona buy this if i see it at the store, what i didnt know was there was a sequel, and i accidently bought the sequel without playing the first. But after playing it abit, i got stuck in the werewolf town and didnt touch the game for years, but when i came back to it, i loved the game. and replayed TLA atleast 8 times just to get more power breads and power up items to buff my characters, or replayed it to get all the summons/djinn.
One year later, but:
As you said, the market is slowly shedding the 2010's fabricated distaste for turn/strategy based RPGs.
That this year they announced a HD remaster for another cult classic Nintendo RPG is BIG. Baten Kaitos Remaster doing well would mean that Nintendo would have Camelot revisit Golden Sun since they are more or less from the same era.
In fact, Golden Sun being revisited would be massive not just for fans, but for Camelot themselves, who have been really wanting another go at the RPG genre after 20 years doing nothing but Mario Sports games.
Zelda BOTW is Golden Sun. Powers, Towers, Puzzles, the gameplay is strikingly similar in those respects.
My favorite thing to improove on thw Golden Sun games would be replacing random encouters with visable monsters on the overworld that would b e so lovely.
I absolutely loved golden sun growing up. I also just “picked it up” on the gba. My first “real” jrpg outside of Pokémon was Dragon Warrior, tho…which I was absolutely obsessed with. I want new titles of these so bad 😩
Great video! Really enjoyed it and would love to see a release of a golden sun remake or a new golden sun on switch
Also I’d love to see this kind of video again but I’m not sure what series, I’d be happy with any :)
Thanks!
And thank you for that feedback! We’ll be thinking of other series’ we’re excited to talk about in this way too!
I heavily agree with all if not most of your points and I would like to just add one more thing. The music, there has been so many remakes or renditions of Golden sun music and I hope Nintendo does a good job remastering or using a proper orchestra to remaster the music of the series. It could even be a selling point for those who are on the fence about playing the series if they do choose to remake/master it.
Golden Sun is a masterclass in world building and character design. Don’t get me wrong, the mechanics are great and fun, but what keeps me coming back is the world and the people in it.
Yeah, i completely agree. Exploring the overworld and mind reading everyone is one of my favorite activity in golden sun.
I love this game so much. It’s unbelievable 😍❤️ played it countless of times
I have thought literally everything you mentioned, it’s scary! Dream game is golden sun in 3D with similar art to dq11 with botw puzzle design. But I’d also love HD2D remake! I’ve also thought how Nintendo lacks a flagship turn based series and how golden sun would be perfect to fill that role. I think it would do so well in todays age, I have a good feeling it’s going to come back soon
I mean, if we both agree… how could Nintendo refuse?? 🤷🏻♂️
Here’s hoping! 🤞🏼🤞🏼
Umm... no flagship turn based series...
THEY HAVE POKEMON
@@Nahovevo yeah I assume what I meant back when I wrote that was a turn-based rpg in the traditional sense, akin to final fantasy. Pokémon has become into almost a genre of its own
@@ethankim9161 good point
I really pray that you are right because this franchise is in my top 3 of all time!
Both Golden Sun games and FF Tactics were absolute killer RPGs and far exceeded anything else on the GBA. That Mario Golf game Camelot made was absolutely insane, too. I'd love an rpg golf remake like that.
Golden sun was fantastic. Gameboy needed a good rpg, and this was their answer. Reminiscent of final fantasy but not a carbon copy. The gameplay mechanics, story, etc. are excellent and it’s really a game I’ve been dying to get back into my collection (along with the 2nd entry in the franchise). For anyone who loves retro rpgs and access to a PC, I’d also recommend tibia. It’s one of the original, and one of the best online RPGs around. With its fast paced gameplay it has been diablo since before diablo was even conceived. It’s been eating my weekends for decades now, and Im sharing it with you all watching this golden sun video right now 😁
Golden Sun's about to get an infusion of brand new fans.
Honesty it's criminal that we never Got any characters from Golden Sun added to the Smash roster but we got so many Fire Emblem characters.
They could have given us Isaac or given us one where you have all 4 characters from the first game and you can switch between them during the game play, a bit like the Pokemon trainer character, each one has different movesets based on there element. Could have been so good, and then all all come together for the final smash to summon there jinn for a massive attack
Damn I got my Golden Sun in a very similar way... I wanted a DBZ game that was supposed to come out but wasn't in the shop. So I looked around, a bit disappointed and saw this box art and it somehow spoke to me. I really liked it despite knowing nothing about it.
I bought it instead of DBZ and that was one of the luckiest cases of spontaneous purchases I ever did! Also probably my first jrpg.
So many found memories of learning about me dumb 10/11 year old boy figuring out the mechanics and learning to play the game better. 😄
A HD2D remake of golden sun, putting both in one package (not DS) would be beautiful
Late, but I would love to see a new GS game with the art style of Sea of Stars, which already felt like a spiritual successor. But with the release of the first two GS games on switch online I have to wonder if we will get a remake at all
Apart from the annoying random encounters, the gameplay was just that good. It's endlessly satisfying in combat and dungeons
HD-2D Golden Sun would be Nice.
We need to buy the shit out of Golden Sun and Metroid Prime Remastered, these trial runs bois
Golden Sun fans, the dream of a remaster still lives on, but in the meantime, I stumbled upon Sea of Stars, and it's a hidden treasure! If you're patiently awaiting a Golden Sun revival, Sea of Stars will quench your thirst for an epic RPG adventure with its masterful storytelling and captivating gameplay. Dive in and prepare for a journey you won't forget! 🌟🌌
It definitely feels like JRPG are very very in right now, so a reboot may do well. Personally have never played golden sun, but this video makes me open to trying it out if it were to come to switch
Love Golden sun... Recommend checking out "sea of stars" its coming out this years, looks like it took alot of its inspiration from Golden Sun.
My ultimate choice game
I've always considered Golden Sun a fusion of: Legend of Zelda, Final Fantasy, Pokemon, and Avatar the Last Airbender. All of those are absolute bangers, so it makes sense that Golden Sun is one of the best IPs of all time.
Thanks for this. I love Golden Sun and I've been one of those hanging my coat on the idea that a Golden Sun for the Switch HAS to be coming. I was obsessing over wanting Isaac in Smash and reading up on the copyrights and everything. 3 years of radio silence from Camelot only to get a mediocre Golf game is disappointing, if you consider how long an HD re-imagining of Golden Sun 1 and 2 into a single game for the Switch might take, then we're almost talking 4 to 5 years of more waiting. So unless a third party company is picking up the IP to do a simpler graphical update on the games, I'm not hopeful we'll even see anything new soon.
The only thing I can see happening is if this GB/GBA on NSO rumour is true, getting both GBA games on the NSO service to emulate. Which is...fine I guess. It's technically playable on the Switch and I'll defiintely play it. I can't help but want a bit more. It's a Nintendo RPG but all we seem to get are Square Enix yearly releases and Xenoblade. Either way, I hope I'm surprised.
I started with Golden sun dark dawn when I was a kid. I seen it and thought it was cool and I'm so glad I did. I just have to play golden sun
The Graphics were very beautiful in that Gameboy advance era and I think it would be exceptionally well if the Remakers of Link’s Awakening remastered the GBA titles for the DS version and the sequel that never made it should be done by a Fire Emblem team…. Group effort from Nintendo
Really want to see them make a new one HD2D style for Switch
Goldensun 100 comes out, then we say why isn't there a 101st...
There's no "N64 beta footage", because there was no such thing.
I can't link to any of the sources since links probably get auto-removed, but this is a very common piece of inaccurate information.
So, I'll just paste quotes from interviews (one of them from 2001) instead and hope anyone interested can find the full interviews that way:
"I understand Golden Sun was originally being made for the N64. - Hiroyuki: No, not exactly. We were never developing Golden Sun for the N64. But we were making progress on an RPG for the N64." ... "So none of that N64 RPG prototyping is reflected in Golden Sun, then? - Hiroyuki: Exactly, none at all."
"How come we never saw a Golden Sun console game...? - Golden Sun, when we decided to make that, that was right at the time when the Game Boy was really gaining speed and really taking over the handheld area completely. So it was kind of always a Game Boy game. ... We actually did make a game design document for a Nintendo 64 Golden Sun. We had planned for the 64 game, but if Nintendo had delayed the release of the GameCube until a year later, we probably would have made a Golden Sun 64."
Same for "it was split so that it could fit onto GBA cartridges", that was not WHY they made it two games.
"Why did you decide to split the story across two games? - Hiroyuki: To be honest, early on when I read the scenario, I realized that if we included the entire story then the playtime would probably reach over 100 hours. ... Izuno: There was never a fixation on having it all be in one game. And we actually had the idea quite early, to switch protagoanists in the second half."
Such a good game
I remember randomly buying this and I couldn't believe wtf am I playing, it was that good and it got me so addicte that I forgot pokemons existance for a while 😍
If they make a new GS, they need to keep the same style as the GBA. There was something so charming about the art work that Dark Dawn just didn't capture.
Golden Sun is the best.
Golden sun remake ❤
I would love for them to rerelease Broken Seal (the 1st game) and Lost Age with updated graphics, and rerelease with some modifications (such as getting rid of the points of no return or at least make them temporary), and then finally release the 4th game.
Cmon Camelot…
golden sun its shining series similar game.....thats make this game so good
I played Shining the Holy Ark by the same developer recently and am going to give Golden Sun a go.
There good games. The Djinn system is very good as to use the summons, you must first use the Djinn in battle for either attacks, buffs, debuffs and a heal or two. Though when you use a Djinn to get the summon, you LOSE all the stat increases that Djinn provides.
Will be curious on your impressions if you remember to come back here and update when you do!
I hope on a Switch release, and that they keep the dynamic battle animation of the battle area. Battles are great in this game. Hopefully not the 2D3D, I hate that style.
F-zero freeze
We need remakes of 1&2, Nintendo!!!!!
Best Game Ever!
and now, u can play it via switch gba emulator!
I could talk about Golden Sun with you all day and night long 🤭
Wrong Title!!!
The real Question:
Why is Golden Sun still Good?
camelot neeeds to make RPGs again for fucks sake!!!!
The biggest reason I didn't buy Dark Dawn is actually because they switched to the 3d mode. The graphics from the first and second ones looked so much better; 3d looks better in certain specific places, but tends to look really, really bad in others, and the difference can be really jarring.
Add to that the plot seemed really uninspired. The first one had such a strong plot, while this one just seemed...bland by comparison? The Lighthouses and Rocks were so epic by comparison, the plot of this one was just odd and out of left field, not really taking advantage of the consequences of the first game. We have a world that's expanding again, with new ancient civilizations reappearing out of nothingness! We have characters that originated from the moon! That's more than enough without the 'psynergy vortex' business.
I'd have LOVED to have a story where you start with the run of the entire starter continent, and then expand out to mysterious new continents that appeared from nowhere, and finally explore the moon or something. What we got felt more like filler, and while it wasn't terrible, it was disappointing.
Have you seen the camelot website updates recently?
please nintendo, its already 10 fckin years
I like how 2 starts with the secondary party as a diverging storyline, which is something I have to this day never seen in any other RPG. You end up wondering where the original party is or what they're up to while your current party learns about what's happening behind the scenes. I miss these games, but they're definitely games of their time. The pessimist in me says that they can't recreate the magic of the original releases.
Yeah I’m hopeful that something new can make it even better. Camelot needs a chance
I actually disagree with the sentiment that "the visuals dont hold up". I would argue the visuals and art style of golden sun is what makes it golden sun just as much as the battle mechanics and overworld exploration. The game has beautiful sprites and psynergy animations, one of the reasons I couldn't play Dark Dawn for more than 30 minutes before putting it down very disappointed, the game just looks terrible, those busted 3d animations are 👎. If Golden Sun gets revived, its needs to look something similar to Octopath Traveler to capture that same feeling and essence of the originals, otherwise i dont even want it😂
I RUV GOLDEN SUN
Just make a proper switch version ninty
Its a zelda rpg for short and the only good one out there tbh.
Like what jrpg out there has good dungeons nowadays that are not long empty coridors that maybe have a treasure chest in a corner not to mention puzzles not made for brain dead casuals mobile gamers.
Just started emulating golden sun is epic makes Pokémon look like crap
Finally someone pronounces psynergy property!
it is extremely sad, a game this great released more than 20 years ago 😢 the creators are waay too old to make a new one