Spent much of my childhood and all of my teen years on these old Farmalls. Love the he sound they make when pulled no hard- very distinctive. Thanks for sharing your experience.
I hope he gets a TS 10. It’ll change how he enjoys his tractor and mowing things. And if he either gets bigger lift cylinders or upgrades his hydraulic pump he will really be impressed. Great work!
Very cost-effective old iron. No DEF and very simple to work on. You are right Tim, A live PTO is super nice that started getting popular in the 50's. Great video.
I have said for years the old tractors, while they may lack the comforts of the newer tractors, can work. I have an old David Brown 990, and it can still put in a good days work, and sips fuel. Working hard, about a Gallon an hour. But as I said comfort is not great, even worse the older I get. LOL
Certainly brings back old memories. Growing up I spent a lot hours on H's, M's and Super M's doing everything from plowing, disking, to applying anhydrous ammonia. That is one of the great old tractors from the 40's and the 50's.
The “M” was a workhorse. Fun to see it pulling the TX-10. The first tractor I drove as a kid was an E3 COOP which had continuous PTO, along with Cockshutt and Oliver. Dad always praised that feature. After using other tractors without it, I quickly learned why. Blessings
With the gas in the old 2 cylinder John Deere’s we’ve been using premium gas. The older engines really liked the ethanol free gas. I’m sure other brands are the same way. Trying to remember how many years ago it was but dad tried ethanol blend in a 49 A John Deere that was set up for all fuel. The tractor did run on it, ran terrible at 1st but better when the tractor got warmer. Never put that stuff in the tank since, just stayed premium only. I remember in JD videos from the 30’s and 40’s mention they use gas to start the tractor get it to the proper temp then switch over to the main tank to burn the cheaper fuels. One of there sales pitches back then being able to burn low cost fuels save $ going up an down the fields
Nothing quite like an old Farmall. I miss the days as a kid around my dad's 806... I was never around much Deere equipment until my late 20ies, so I can say with certainty that I would not be a Deere owner if IH was still around! Great video!
@@TractorTimewithTim It had a beast of a diesel engine and the torque converter and a wide front end with balloon tires. Our dad was a bit of a cowboy with it while plowing, cause he rarely ever went across the field with all four tires on the ground. He knew how to brake steer like a boss. But he always yelled at my brother never to do likewise and brake his front axle in two. You had to ease off at the ends of the field and not clutch at the wrong time. I was far too young to ever get much seat time in it before the farm got sold, but I loved riding on the heater box every chance I could. Not much safety back then come to think of it.
Tim what a great video!! I love all your videos but this one hit home. I grew up using farmalls and still use my grandpa's super c every day. I owned a m for a bit and pulled a 7' 3 point bush hog "had a aftermarket 3 point hitch" but always wondered if it wd pull a newer 10 or 12 foot designed for lower hp tractors. Now we know! Keep up the great videos!
M&W Gear also made turbo kits for farming and fishing fleets. I contacted them to price we a kit for my Mercury powered Century inboard. They did not have one but contacted me months later. They were ready to develop a kit for the MerCruiser I had. They offered me a good package, So, dad and I took the boat over to Gibson City, Ill. After seeing their facility I was impressed enough leave it there. They did outstanding work. I parked the boat in the building 25 years ago and it is still there. It was still running great when I parked it.
There was something very relaxing about the video. Watching that old tractor mow with that very satisfying engine noise might turn into a nice 1 hour children’s video loop or a stress reducer loop for folks in the rat race. If you have the footage, it might be worth a shot putting one together.
Great video I love that all the old tractors Oliver farmall and John Deere all had a their own unique engine sound that farmall sounded good pulling that mower
My Grandfather had an M, 2 H Models and a Super C. They all ran on what was then known as Tractor Fuel. They had an auxiliary gasoline tank and the main fuel tank. Start them on gasoline and when they got warmed up, switch to the much cheaper fuel. Got a lot of work done with them. So good to see one running and doing something other than driving in a parade.
My gramps had real good oil wells here in michigan and ran the JD on raw crude and he said the plugs only lasted 1 day because the heat in the cylinders would destroy them😊
Cool video! 40 years ago I worked for a old farmer that had a Farmall M and a JD 620. He said when they used them for pulling 3 bottom plows, throttles against the stop, the Farmall would lap the 620 about once every 2 hrs. But it would burn more fuel. So they would pull the Farmall throttle back a couple notches. Run dead even, used the same amont of fuel.
When I was a kid, my grandfather had an old Formall. It did not have any markings on it, so I never knew the designation. It was a much lighter tractor than this one. It had the row crop narrow front end, no PTO, and no hydraulics and similar sheet metal to this M. The old New Holland baler that my uncles used before my time, was powered by a Wisconsin engine. Eventually my grandfather bought a Massey Ferguson 35 which did all the work, with the Formall relegated to towing the trailer out of the meadow with bales...which was kind of sketchy due to how light the tractor was and how steep the ground was. Fortunately. the trailer had brakes, actuated by a long lever/pull handle. As a kid, I used to ride on the left side axle housing, which had a flat spot on it that was apparently made for it...or at least we thought it was. Those were the days. 😀
Much more interested in these old tractors than the new product-placement-reviews. Other tractors of this era with live PTO: Ferguson 35, Allis Chalmers WD. Ford tractors got it with the replacements for the 8N series (Jubilee, 600). Do be cautious with tricycle tractors as they are tippy in rough/hilly and quick turns.
On a John Deere 60 dad did some hydraulic plumbing to where his power trol lever runs a 3 point and two more hydraulic levers to operate a loader both lift and dump the bucket. Haven’t seen that much on the old 2 cylinder John Deere’s. He’s used it to move 1,000lbs round bales his Vermeer baler made. The 60 had enough power to carry a bale on the 3 point and the loader. I liked having a feeder next to the fence then I’d lift the bale over the fence and drop it in the feeder, happy to not have to open gates so much
We have an 860 Ford Powermaster we bush hog and rake hay with. We also have the 1950 8N my great grandfather bought new. I love the way old iron sounds. Nothing sounds like an old Ford or John Deere diesel running
Dang I just got up and finished feeding and you've already have sun light in Indiana and filmed a video. You guys are remarkable! lol I plan to take "Wally" Gator and spray fences today Lord willing. Hope you guys are doing well, just wanted to say hi from SE Tn.
The super M with TA had a live pto and had a live power lift. Super M had about 7 horsepower more than the regular M. There are after after market products for power steering on both M’s. We had power steering on both our M and Super M. Great old tractors
It’s funny that you would mention RhinoAg in Gibson City,IL in your video today. They announced today that they are laying off 80 employees and closing that location.
Tim, you should do a series on the larger Kubota tractors. I’m on the fence between the Kubota 131 and Case IH 120c and I value your opinion when it comes to tractors because I know you aren’t driven by brand loyalty. You’ve always given truthful reviews no matter what tractor/year/model etc. I appreciate the insight and practicality you bring into reviews, most other channels don’t do that. If they’re in ANY WAY sponsored by any manufacturer it’s all they push. That don’t work for me. The ones I’m looking at are used and price is a factor, for me anyway.
Thanks for the kind words. I am not very experienced with either of those machines as they are outside my sweet spot. I have looked a bit at the 120c. I liked what I saw. Case builds it. …rather than LS who builds the smaller ones. I do not know enough about the 131 to provide ANY helpful feedback. Overall, I think Case is a great manufacturer with excellent dealer support for the larger tractors.
Rhino Ag just announced yesterday that they are planning to close the Gibson City plant and move the production to their plant in Selma, Alabama. Difficult times in the Ag industry.
No, I’m originally from the Champaign-Urbana area and I saw it on my newsfeed from the local station. I follow there. We actually live in South Carolina now, but I’m still following you guys and your exploits. I’ve got a 1025 R at farm in Southern Illinois.
Yes, but I haven't had it there for a few years now. Used to pull it at all the local pulls that had a stock class, usually did ok in 5500lb. I have a different one i play with to pull now, just not much time to make very many pulls though.
Remembering dates has never been my forte, but I believe Deere had live PTO and power steering options during the reign of the two number series in the mid 50s. They were good machines, and still get the job done, but for commercial work, I'd go a bit newer and get something new generation, like a 3010 or a 4020 diesel. Modern hydraulics, power shift or partially synchronized transmissions, better parts availability, and a bit more operator comfort are worth the upgrade, in my opinion.
My brother has a Farm All Cub purchased in 1992 still runs, never been rebuilt, came with a 6 volt battery they did up grade to 12 volts can be configured as a road grader with blade under the steering wheel...
I have a Ford 4000 SU 3cyl diesel. I believe this mower would be a great match for it. I just can’t justify the purchase price. Maybe when they become popular on the used market.
M Farmall was the first tractor I cut my teeth on as a kid. Usually the battery was dead and using the hand crank was a bear. I also thought it would break my arm. Lots of hours bush hogging with that old M. We had a wide front end though. If you could push the brush/trees over with the tractor, our old bush hog would cut/beat them off.
There's a reason I run the '98 Rhino 5ft finish mower, on the '50 John Deere M 20hp..instead of the '99 JD 4100 20hp. The PTO is practically a direct drive with greater torque.
I"d try to get up to a 1650 or 1655 Oliver. I have one and it's great. I like the old gas engines on those. I've hooked up some stuff that it probably has no business doing and it does it.
@@TractorTimewithTim I found my 1655 in a run down old barn. I bought it and have almost completely restored it. I use it mostly for pulling a hay rake and for chores around the yard.
The belly pump in the old Farmalls was called a lift all pump. They are rated at 750 psi when they are in good condition and use 30 weight non detergent oil. That isn’t quite enough pressure to work many of today’s hydraulic implements with lots of weight and small diameter hydraulic cylinders.
I grew up with a H and super M spent many hours on them. I road with dad when i was 7 and 8 not very safe with no fenders. I was raking hay with the M and dropped the front end into a ground hog hole and broke the front end and went over the steering wheel and ended up on the ground. Dad thought it was hurt really badly or dead but i just had a few broken ribs. I absolutely hate ground hogs to this day.
@@TractorTimewithTim True. Back in the day they used horses, and sickle bars. They were not worried about cut quality, and how fast they could get it completed. The tractor looked like it was working wonderfully. Maybe you should look into trying to the old school thing with the 🐎
@@williamfenner9915yep. This tractor worked beautifully…as we repeatedly described in the video. Everyone else told Jason it would not work…hence the title.
I use "antique" tractors exclusively because I can't afford or justify of a new machine. My old tractors are very capable and I have been watching for one of these mowers used in my area. I would put it behind my Oliver 770 tractor.
No I didn’t get a chance to drive the M. The mowing went so fast I was kept busy with the cameras. I was walking behind or around the TS10 most of the time it was operating. Christy
Those only have 800 to 900 psi on the hydraulics. A 66 77 and 88 Oliver you don't want to push over 1000 psi or you will split the pump or blow out things in the hydraulic system. My dad runs his 12ft Woods with his Oliver 550 and those have a higher pressure hydraulic system and that lifts the wings fine. You can pick up a good condition 550 for $4000 or a super 55 for even less. It's interesting to see some antique power on the Chanel.
Tim , i bought a ford 1700 4x4 tractor,that had a loader added to it. There is a splitter valve under the seat that directs hydraulic fluid to the 3- point lift or the loader . My problem is when using the loader, the three-point lift drops down dragging your scrape blade if you have it hooked up . What could I do to fix this problem? Thanks
I have a 1700. I’ve made a bunch of videos on it. Is it a factory 770 loader or aftermarket? Hard to comment more without seeing how it’s plumbed, but stock setup feeds the 3 point first, then loader. The two can operate independently just fine with factory loader, unless the 3 point lift cylinder seal is leaking. When mine was leaking I couldn’t lower the loader smoothly. It raised fine, and didn’t impact the 3 point. With the loader in float, raising the 3 point will result in the loader raising though. A loader does take hydraulic flow, so if the loader is plumbed upstream of the 3 point, that could rob the 3 point of flow and maybe lead to dropping. Is your pressure at spec? Fluid level good? Filter clean? Fluid good (no water in it)? The hydraulic pump has plenty of output for loader and 3 point if working properly. I even added hydrostatic power steering to mine and it handles that fine too.
Thanks for replying, the tractor has the 770 loader and it’s plumbed with 2- hydraulic hoses attached to the valve that’s under the seat and the valve has a lever that when you flip it up it sends fluid to the loader and if you move the lever down it will raise the 3-point lift. Problem is the lift dropping down when operating the loader What do you think might be the problem? The suction filter was recently cleaned and the o-rings replaced and the fluid topped off. Don’t know about the pressure on the pump.
@@MarkSullivan-n6e Does your tractor have draft control, or position control? Position control was standard (that’s what I have), but draft control was an option. I ask because the loader connection sounds stock, but having a lever that moves as you describe is not on my tractor. On mine, the 3 point and loader both have flow available all the time, and cannot be turned off. What you describe sounds like a hydraulic shutoff, but I can’t imagine there would be one to shut off the 3 point. With position control, you pull the lever at the right of the seat up and back to raise the 3 point, and push forward and down to lower it. If you raise it all the way and put the lever in the notch, that activates a power beyond that could be used to send flow to an attachment. To make use of that, a hydraulic hose would connect at the lift cylinder head adjacent to the flow control knob for the 3 point drop rate, which is under the front of the seat. Hard for me to evaluate more without seeing it. Maybe check out my videos on the power steering conversion to see how mine is plumbed for comparison. Some other things to check: with the 3 point function engaged and the 3 point raised with an attachment on, if you turn off the engine does it stay up (it should)? If not, the lift cylinder seal is probably leaking. Also, if you raise the 3 point and shut off the flow control valve (the twist knob under the seat), the 3 point should stay up even if you lower the position control (that is, it should stay up even without hydraulic flow, as the fluid in there is locked in). If you have draft control, the 3 point control should have 2 levers.
Thanks, and I have been watching your videos, good job explaining what you’re doing . The tractor does have a position control lever and I’ll raise it up and the 3- point lift will raise all the way up, then I’ll raise the lever under the seat to operate the loader and slowly the 3-point lift will go down
My JD 520 will eat that m. Im 3rd generation on my 520. No they are similiar. But im a JD man. I rented a 5' hog last year and 4th was too much speed. I think my friend has an old 6' that needs redone. Im thinking of redoing it. I just got back from buckley old engine show. I was running 33 and change on the pony brake. Now i just did 36.4 on the pony brake. Not sure if the same torque curve. But i bring my 3 bottom plow and last year the same area of plowing field would have to drop to 3rd. This year i held 4th all the way. This year i pulled a motorhome out, pull started a doodlebug, pulled a 6 bottom prairie plow backwards to unplug it, lowered a fordson off its trl since no real brakes, pulled an allis out that got stuck plowing with a trip plow, pulled a dead lawn tractor trk thing in to its campsite
Tim is there a update on what happened to your trucks the ford and the Honda and did you know that Honda has filled for bankruptcy across the globe and that Toyota and Mazda have merged you might want to another truck with a gas engine in the 1 ton market before all the V8 engines are gone
We used to use a-B Farmall to buzz wood with-I don’t think anyone does that anymore but I miss those days
Man, I miss videos like this !
That tractor looks GREAT with you at the controls... Love the OLD Farmalls ... I grew up with 300's and the 560''s in Wisconsin...
Simplicity has its advantages. It is what has kept that machine working for nearly 80 years.
Spent much of my childhood and all of my teen years on these old Farmalls. Love the he sound they make when pulled no hard- very distinctive. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Neat to see the Farmall M effortlessly run the 10ft Flexwing mower.
Yep. No problem at all!
I hope he gets a TS 10. It’ll change how he enjoys his tractor and mowing things. And if he either gets bigger lift cylinders or upgrades his hydraulic pump he will really be impressed. Great work!
Spent my childhood on an H and M. Very interesting to see the ol' girl still purring along and getting work done. :-) Nice video.
Very cost-effective old iron. No DEF and very simple to work on. You are right Tim, A live PTO is super nice that started getting popular in the 50's. Great video.
I have said for years the old tractors, while they may lack the comforts of the newer tractors, can work. I have an old David Brown 990, and it can still put in a good days work, and sips fuel. Working hard, about a Gallon an hour. But as I said comfort is not great, even worse the older I get. LOL
Tim, I loved the “tip of the hat” to the antique tractors! Thank you! Great job! 😀
We have an H it looks just like that. It sits on our farm and we work it to cut the trails.
It’s fun to see it working on a flex wing.
I love the old tractors. It’s always great seeing them in action. Very enjoyable video Tim. Thanks
I have got classic tractor fever ❤
Yea! Remember that show on rfdtv?
Yes, im subscribed on youtube😂 that's probably what suggested your channel to me back when you lived in carmel. @TractorTimewithTim
Great video!
Certainly brings back old memories. Growing up I spent a lot hours on H's, M's and Super M's doing everything from plowing, disking, to applying anhydrous ammonia. That is one of the great old tractors from the 40's and the 50's.
every time we purchased a used moline u/ ub, 445, 5 star we during winter torn down and put in MW kits in them
The “M” was a workhorse. Fun to see it pulling the TX-10. The first tractor I drove as a kid was an E3 COOP which had continuous PTO, along with Cockshutt and Oliver. Dad always praised that feature. After using other tractors without it, I quickly learned why. Blessings
With the gas in the old 2 cylinder John Deere’s we’ve been using premium gas. The older engines really liked the ethanol free gas. I’m sure other brands are the same way.
Trying to remember how many years ago it was but dad tried ethanol blend in a 49 A John Deere that was set up for all fuel. The tractor did run on it, ran terrible at 1st but better when the tractor got warmer. Never put that stuff in the tank since, just stayed premium only.
I remember in JD videos from the 30’s and 40’s mention they use gas to start the tractor get it to the proper temp then switch over to the main tank to burn the cheaper fuels. One of there sales pitches back then being able to burn low cost fuels save $ going up an down the fields
This was a great episode!!!!! Love seeing vintage iron and I especially love seeing vintage iron doing what it was still built to do
They really made tractors to last in the 40's and 50's. you will never get any tractor of today to last that long.
Always makes me wonder. 60 years from now will there be 1025r 2038r etc. collectors
Same with appliances.
People said the same thing in the 40’s and 50’s…
1025r strong like bull
I agree
Great video tim love them old farmalls nothing beats the distinctive sound they make they sure are a workhorse.
Nothing quite like an old Farmall. I miss the days as a kid around my dad's 806... I was never around much Deere equipment until my late 20ies, so I can say with certainty that I would not be a Deere owner if IH was still around! Great video!
The ‘06’ series still said Farmall on the side.
@@TractorTimewithTim It had a beast of a diesel engine and the torque converter and a wide front end with balloon tires. Our dad was a bit of a cowboy with it while plowing, cause he rarely ever went across the field with all four tires on the ground. He knew how to brake steer like a boss. But he always yelled at my brother never to do likewise and brake his front axle in two. You had to ease off at the ends of the field and not clutch at the wrong time. I was far too young to ever get much seat time in it before the farm got sold, but I loved riding on the heater box every chance I could. Not much safety back then come to think of it.
Tim what a great video!! I love all your videos but this one hit home. I grew up using farmalls and still use my grandpa's super c every day. I owned a m for a bit and pulled a 7' 3 point bush hog "had a aftermarket 3 point hitch" but always wondered if it wd pull a newer 10 or 12 foot designed for lower hp tractors. Now we know! Keep up the great videos!
M&W Gear also made turbo kits for farming and fishing fleets. I contacted them to price we a kit for my Mercury powered Century inboard. They did not have one but contacted me months later. They were ready to develop a kit for the MerCruiser I had. They offered me a good package, So, dad and I took the boat over to Gibson City, Ill. After seeing their facility I was impressed enough leave it there. They did outstanding work. I parked the boat in the building 25 years ago and it is still there. It was still running great when I parked it.
I grew up running those older tractors. Great video!
There was something very relaxing about the video. Watching that old tractor mow with that very satisfying engine noise might turn into a nice 1 hour children’s video loop or a stress reducer loop for folks in the rat race. If you have the footage, it might be worth a shot putting one together.
This was awesome, drove many hours in the hayfields on farmalls, we never had a M, would see them at the fair all hopped up. 😊
I love the old workhorses, I completely agree that a similar combo could be a great mowing setup.
Great video I love that all the old tractors Oliver farmall and John Deere all had a their own unique engine sound that farmall sounded good pulling that mower
My Grandfather had an M, 2 H Models and a Super C. They all ran on what was then known as Tractor Fuel. They had an auxiliary gasoline tank and the main fuel tank. Start them on gasoline and when they got warmed up, switch to the much cheaper fuel. Got a lot of work done with them. So good to see one running and doing something other than driving in a parade.
My gramps had real good oil wells here in michigan and ran the JD on raw crude and he said the plugs only lasted 1 day because the heat in the cylinders would destroy them😊
Cool video! 40 years ago I worked for a old farmer that had a Farmall M and a JD 620. He said when they used them for pulling 3 bottom plows, throttles against the stop, the Farmall would lap the 620 about once every 2 hrs. But it would burn more fuel. So they would pull the Farmall throttle back a couple notches. Run dead even, used the same amont of fuel.
I love old tractors, especially when they can still do the work!
As a kid my uncle had a Farmall H and I thought I was on top of the world when I was running that thing doing the farm chores!
When I was a kid, my grandfather had an old Formall. It did not have any markings on it, so I never knew the designation. It was a much lighter tractor than this one. It had the row crop narrow front end, no PTO, and no hydraulics and similar sheet metal to this M. The old New Holland baler that my uncles used before my time, was powered by a Wisconsin engine. Eventually my grandfather bought a Massey Ferguson 35 which did all the work, with the Formall relegated to towing the trailer out of the meadow with bales...which was kind of sketchy due to how light the tractor was and how steep the ground was. Fortunately. the trailer had brakes, actuated by a long lever/pull handle. As a kid, I used to ride on the left side axle housing, which had a flat spot on it that was apparently made for it...or at least we thought it was. Those were the days. 😀
Much more interested in these old tractors than the new product-placement-reviews. Other tractors of this era with live PTO: Ferguson 35, Allis Chalmers WD. Ford tractors got it with the replacements for the 8N series (Jubilee, 600). Do be cautious with tricycle tractors as they are tippy in rough/hilly and quick turns.
Tim, I just read a news brief that Alamo-RhinoAg was shutting down Gibson City and moving production to Selma Al.
Yes. Unfortunate timing for this video. I did not know about this until after the video was released.
Ohhhh thank you! Loved the farmall!! My favorite vidio to this date!!
On a John Deere 60 dad did some hydraulic plumbing to where his power trol lever runs a 3 point and two more hydraulic levers to operate a loader both lift and dump the bucket.
Haven’t seen that much on the old 2 cylinder John Deere’s. He’s used it to move 1,000lbs round bales his Vermeer baler made. The 60 had enough power to carry a bale on the 3 point and the loader.
I liked having a feeder next to the fence then I’d lift the bale over the fence and drop it in the feeder, happy to not have to open gates so much
I love the old tractors. It may not handle cutting handle materials but seemed to be doing well in your video
Using an old classic like this Farmall or a Ford 8n to pull a mower or brush cutter looks like a great idea.
I mow waterways with a 1953 JD 60 and 6 ft pull type bush hog. No 3 point, but it has independent PTO and hydraulics.
It would handle the Rhino TS10 very well.
Love the 2 cyl Johnny s ❤
That’s really awesome. That tractor still go on. That tractor is almost the same age I I’m .
We have an 860 Ford Powermaster we bush hog and rake hay with. We also have the 1950 8N my great grandfather bought new. I love the way old iron sounds. Nothing sounds like an old Ford or John Deere diesel running
H and M were great tractors. Very versatile. Plus there was a IH dealership around close
Awsome video. Was great to watch!
Dang I just got up and finished feeding and you've already have sun light in Indiana and filmed a video. You guys are remarkable! lol I plan to take "Wally" Gator and spray fences today Lord willing. Hope you guys are doing well, just wanted to say hi from SE Tn.
Love those old tractors
The super M with TA had a live pto and had a live power lift. Super M had about 7 horsepower more than the regular M. There are after after market products for power steering on both M’s. We had power steering on both our M and Super M. Great old tractors
I mow with a Rhino TS12 and a 3039r Deere. It works fine. Just take your time.
It’s funny that you would mention RhinoAg in Gibson City,IL in your video today. They announced today that they are laying off 80 employees and closing that location.
Tim, you should do a series on the larger Kubota tractors. I’m on the fence between the Kubota 131 and Case IH 120c and I value your opinion when it comes to tractors because I know you aren’t driven by brand loyalty. You’ve always given truthful reviews no matter what tractor/year/model etc. I appreciate the insight and practicality you bring into reviews, most other channels don’t do that. If they’re in ANY WAY sponsored by any manufacturer it’s all they push. That don’t work for me. The ones I’m looking at are used and price is a factor, for me anyway.
Thanks for the kind words.
I am not very experienced with either of those machines as they are outside my sweet spot. I have looked a bit at the 120c. I liked what I saw. Case builds it. …rather than LS who builds the smaller ones.
I do not know enough about the 131 to provide ANY helpful feedback.
Overall, I think Case is a great manufacturer with excellent dealer support for the larger tractors.
Rhino Ag just announced yesterday that they are
planning to close the Gibson City plant and move the production to their plant in Selma, Alabama. Difficult times in the Ag industry.
Oh my! Sorry to hear that! Are you an employee?
No, I’m originally from the Champaign-Urbana area and I saw it on my newsfeed from the local station. I follow there. We actually live in South Carolina now, but I’m still following you guys and your exploits. I’ve got a 1025 R at farm in Southern Illinois.
Fun to see old iron working in a field. Would be great to see a Allis-Chalmers working, near and dear to my heart.
I grew up driving my Uncle’s 2 Ms in the field. They were his main tractors until he bought a 830 Case in the late 60s.
It looks like you really appreciate the Strong-Arm power steering. The Farmall did a great job pulling the RhinoAg mower.
❤ my cousin still have a farmall m still that belonged to their dad and our grandpa
Have I seen this tractor at the Glenford Tractor Pulls?
Yes, but I haven't had it there for a few years now. Used to pull it at all the local pulls that had a stock class, usually did ok in 5500lb. I have a different one i play with to pull now, just not much time to make very many pulls though.
Jakes in my neck of the woods!! Less than an hour from me
Sounds like he’s in my back yard. If I knew his last name, I’m probably related to ;)
It's time for the Millersport Sweet Corn Festival! I believe it started today.
Rhino ag and M&W just announced that it's closing the Gibson City location, laying off 80 people. It's moving its operations to the Alabama plant.
Unfortunate timing on my discussion of Gibson City, eh?
Cool video.
Remembering dates has never been my forte, but I believe Deere had live PTO and power steering options during the reign of the two number series in the mid 50s. They were good machines, and still get the job done, but for commercial work, I'd go a bit newer and get something new generation, like a 3010 or a 4020 diesel. Modern hydraulics, power shift or partially synchronized transmissions, better parts availability, and a bit more operator comfort are worth the upgrade, in my opinion.
yes, the John Deere 9RX 830. lol
with a/c and with bug and tree limb protection options included. 🤣😂🤣😂😁
the right tool for the right job.😉🤣😂🤣
That tractor will pull that mower all day, by the looks of it. Nice old tractor.
My brother has a Farm All Cub purchased in 1992 still runs, never been rebuilt, came with a 6 volt battery they did up grade to 12 volts can be configured as a road grader with blade under the steering wheel...
I have a Ford 4000 SU 3cyl diesel. I believe this mower would be a great match for it. I just can’t justify the purchase price. Maybe when they become popular on the used market.
Them ol tractors are definitely still getting todays jobs done even with all the advancements in todays equipment.
Could you just imagine someone making a video 60 years from now about an "old timey 1025" doing work?
Honestly, yes. I believe the 1025r will be similar to the M or 8N in popularity.
M Farmall was the first tractor I cut my teeth on as a kid. Usually the battery was dead and using the hand crank was a bear. I also thought it would break my arm. Lots of hours bush hogging with that old M. We had a wide front end though. If you could push the brush/trees over with the tractor, our old bush hog would cut/beat them off.
That was cool!
There's a reason I run the '98 Rhino 5ft finish mower, on the '50 John Deere M 20hp..instead of the '99 JD 4100 20hp. The PTO is practically a direct drive with greater torque.
I"d try to get up to a 1650 or 1655 Oliver. I have one and it's great. I like the old gas engines on those. I've hooked up some stuff that it probably has no business doing and it does it.
I spent many hours on a 1600 gasser as a child. Family still has it.
@@TractorTimewithTim I found my 1655 in a run down old barn. I bought it and have almost completely restored it. I use it mostly for pulling a hay rake and for chores around the yard.
@@anindividual3889 1655 with the over-under would be SO much better than the 1600 with hydrapower. The 1600 is painfully slow on the road!
The belly pump in the old Farmalls was called a lift all pump. They are rated at 750 psi when they are in good condition and use 30 weight non detergent oil. That isn’t quite enough pressure to work many of today’s hydraulic implements with lots of weight and small diameter hydraulic cylinders.
Depents on the field what your mowing
Tim I have a question about the Ventrac, finish flail mower or either flail. Are they a substitute for the tough cut mower?
Flail could substitute for tough cut in almost all scenarios.
How do you know when the PTO is at 500 RPM?
On the m? Ya don’t.
I grew up with a H and super M spent many hours on them. I road with dad when i was 7 and 8 not very safe with no fenders. I was raking hay with the M and dropped the front end into a ground hog hole and broke the front end and went over the steering wheel and ended up on the ground. Dad thought it was hurt really badly or dead but i just had a few broken ribs. I absolutely hate ground hogs to this day.
What do you think they used before you had compact utility 🚜
Well, they didn’t use 10’ flex-wing, as they didn’t exist back then!
@@TractorTimewithTim True. Back in the day they used horses, and sickle bars. They were not worried about cut quality, and how fast they could get it completed. The tractor looked like it was working wonderfully.
Maybe you should look into trying to the old school thing with the 🐎
@@williamfenner9915yep. This tractor worked beautifully…as we repeatedly described in the video. Everyone else told Jason it would not work…hence the title.
Put an aftermarket 3pt on my m. Run a pt 6 footer and it doesn't faze it. here in Wisconsin you can find ms that look like this one for 1k to 3k
Very cool 😎
I use "antique" tractors exclusively because I can't afford or justify of a new machine. My old tractors are very capable and I have been watching for one of these mowers used in my area. I would put it behind my Oliver 770 tractor.
Rhino just announced they are closing the Gibson City plant and moving to Alabama.
Someone else just commented the same. Sorry to hear. Times are tough.
I have a 1950 John Deere A and a 1954 Ford NAA it was the model year after the Ford Jubilee
My 1950 John Deere 50 has a M&W kit in it and is running about 50 hp
Did Christy get to drive ole M. We had a straight pipe on our m
No I didn’t get a chance to drive the M. The mowing went so fast I was kept busy with the cameras. I was walking behind or around the TS10 most of the time it was operating. Christy
Those only have 800 to 900 psi on the hydraulics. A 66 77 and 88 Oliver you don't want to push over 1000 psi or you will split the pump or blow out things in the hydraulic system. My dad runs his 12ft Woods with his Oliver 550 and those have a higher pressure hydraulic system and that lifts the wings fine. You can pick up a good condition 550 for $4000 or a super 55 for even less. It's interesting to see some antique power on the Chanel.
the weight of the ts 10 maybe where you get tossed around with things i would guess but when you got flat land like here keep it busy
M is pretty heavy.
Speed is not always the best
Is the M&W same as Montgomery Ward that I remember back in the day?
No.
$10k mower on a $2k tractor.
Yep. $12k for a sweet combo. This would be quite cost competitive for a mowing contractor.
I’m betting no problem
Tim , i bought a ford 1700 4x4 tractor,that had a loader added to it. There is a splitter valve under the seat that directs hydraulic fluid to the 3- point lift or the loader . My problem is when using the loader, the three-point lift drops down dragging your scrape blade if you have it hooked up . What could I do to fix this problem? Thanks
I have a 1700. I’ve made a bunch of videos on it. Is it a factory 770 loader or aftermarket? Hard to comment more without seeing how it’s plumbed, but stock setup feeds the 3 point first, then loader. The two can operate independently just fine with factory loader, unless the 3 point lift cylinder seal is leaking. When mine was leaking I couldn’t lower the loader smoothly. It raised fine, and didn’t impact the 3 point. With the loader in float, raising the 3 point will result in the loader raising though. A loader does take hydraulic flow, so if the loader is plumbed upstream of the 3 point, that could rob the 3 point of flow and maybe lead to dropping. Is your pressure at spec? Fluid level good? Filter clean? Fluid good (no water in it)? The hydraulic pump has plenty of output for loader and 3 point if working properly. I even added hydrostatic power steering to mine and it handles that fine too.
Thanks for replying, the tractor has the 770 loader and it’s plumbed with 2- hydraulic hoses attached to the valve that’s under the seat and the valve has a lever that when you flip it up it sends fluid to the loader and if you move the lever down it will raise the 3-point lift. Problem is the lift dropping down when operating the loader What do you think might be the problem? The suction filter was recently cleaned and the o-rings replaced and the fluid topped off. Don’t know about the pressure on the pump.
@@MarkSullivan-n6e Does your tractor have draft control, or position control? Position control was standard (that’s what I have), but draft control was an option. I ask because the loader connection sounds stock, but having a lever that moves as you describe is not on my tractor. On mine, the 3 point and loader both have flow available all the time, and cannot be turned off. What you describe sounds like a hydraulic shutoff, but I can’t imagine there would be one to shut off the 3 point. With position control, you pull the lever at the right of the seat up and back to raise the 3 point, and push forward and down to lower it. If you raise it all the way and put the lever in the notch, that activates a power beyond that could be used to send flow to an attachment. To make use of that, a hydraulic hose would connect at the lift cylinder head adjacent to the flow control knob for the 3 point drop rate, which is under the front of the seat. Hard for me to evaluate more without seeing it. Maybe check out my videos on the power steering conversion to see how mine is plumbed for comparison. Some other things to check: with the 3 point function engaged and the 3 point raised with an attachment on, if you turn off the engine does it stay up (it should)? If not, the lift cylinder seal is probably leaking. Also, if you raise the 3 point and shut off the flow control valve (the twist knob under the seat), the 3 point should stay up even if you lower the position control (that is, it should stay up even without hydraulic flow, as the fluid in there is locked in). If you have draft control, the 3 point control should have 2 levers.
My Ford 1700 playlist: ua-cam.com/play/PLhmruDrkCrQQH74_bXomtzkQTthrFuXfl.html&si=Kdq8OBSIjpMeP9Ac
Thanks, and I have been watching your videos, good job explaining what you’re doing . The tractor does have a position control lever and I’ll raise it up and the 3- point lift will raise all the way up, then I’ll raise the lever under the seat to operate the loader and slowly the 3-point lift will go down
My JD 520 will eat that m. Im 3rd generation on my 520. No they are similiar. But im a JD man. I rented a 5' hog last year and 4th was too much speed. I think my friend has an old 6' that needs redone. Im thinking of redoing it. I just got back from buckley old engine show. I was running 33 and change on the pony brake. Now i just did 36.4 on the pony brake. Not sure if the same torque curve. But i bring my 3 bottom plow and last year the same area of plowing field would have to drop to 3rd. This year i held 4th all the way. This year i pulled a motorhome out, pull started a doodlebug, pulled a 6 bottom prairie plow backwards to unplug it, lowered a fordson off its trl since no real brakes, pulled an allis out that got stuck plowing with a trip plow, pulled a dead lawn tractor trk thing in to its campsite
My wife asked for a gift that would last forever. I bought her a Farmall.
Sigh, no one talks about torque...
Tim is there a update on what happened to your trucks the ford and the Honda and did you know that Honda has filled for bankruptcy across the globe and that Toyota and Mazda have merged you might want to another truck with a gas engine in the 1 ton market before all the V8 engines are gone
If it ain't Red, leave it in the shed....... Just kidding ....As kid I grow up on AC and Ford.