Can I Use Well Water To Fill New Pond? Bury Water / Electric Line. Install Yard Hydrant Made Easy
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- We need a hydrant near our pond if we are going to be able to fill it (and keep it full) using our household well. The 1025R / Backhoe and @YardHydrantMadeEasy make this job fun.
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This is my favorite kind of TTWT Video showing a little backhoe action with new installations and good ole Dave being resourceful with your equipment. Plus the cat's antics in the background are added bonus :) I agree on your sentiments on the Solectrac company. Now I'm contemplating doing similar install with a remote Yard Hydrant 300ft from my home vs just a valve off a poly hose I recently buried using an implement shown on your show. That Heavy hitch item worked great vs hiring out or renting a trencher. TTWT both saves and costs me money. lol.
Here in Florida, we only bury water lines a shovelful deep. In the rare event of a freeze, we let the water drip to prevent it from freezing up.
Great install. I need to add another yard hydrant one day.
Nice episode! If you want a hose connection option off the hydrant, you can always install a tee, two ball valves, with one connected to the pond fill line and the other with a hose connection. Also adds backup to the check valve.
Thanks for all you do!
I love the Quality Control fur balls running around!
From one water professional to another, well done!! People are always asking me why their water meter doesn’t freeze in a pit when the meter is so close to the ground. Same principle as what you’re dealing with. The heat in the ground down that far is what keeps it from freezing. In our case, the lid of the meter pit traps the heat, even if the meter is only few inches below ground. Not saying we don’t ever have issues with them, but we have foam insulator pads that help seal the heat and if we do.
I use to work at a theme park and we had a water ride that used a toilet fill valve to keep the ride full
Can tell you weren't digging in Missouri because I didn't see any rocks. Last year we hired a man to come out and change our septic system and he dug a trench from the pipe that was clean water and he put in a special pipe to let the water seep out. I got one heck of a mess now, some of the fill has gone down but what is left are millions of rocks to hand pick. The other problem is when he dug the trench it goes right along 2 trees and one being an apple tree. I would hate to remove many limbs to be able to get to the old trench to smooth out the yard and probably kill the tree. I have to go around it with a weed wacker and frankly I'm getting to old and lazy to do it. So the rocks sit.
Tim, you may need to add a “bleed air valve” to the line going to the pond.
I’m not certain the existing shut off valve will allow the water level in that line to drain down to the level of the pond when it’s shut off? If not, a simple two way spigot valve can be used at the water spigot to allow air to back flow into the pond line and standpipe so no water remains in the line that can freeze in the wintertime.
I’m not aware of an automatic valve that can be used for this purpose, although one may exist. The added benefit is having an available spigot hose connection for a hose without disconnecting the pond line. When no hose is connected you can simply open both spigots on the two way splitter while the mainline spigot is closed and air will allow the pond line to drain.
This will prevent a siphon effect from preventing the lines to drain down properly without affecting the function of the whole setup.
You just have to remember to open those valves on the two way adapter when closing the main valve upon stoping the flow into the pond. This helps to ensure the pond line and standpipe drains properly and doesn’t rely on getting its air flow from the bottom of the standpipe (buried at the bottom on the standpipe). I hope that makes sense?
PS: I forgot to mention, when burying a tote, you have to fill in the empty space inside the tote with something. Like packing bubbles or peanuts. Anything to take up the empty space to prevent the tote from being crushed when buried. If it collapses a little that’s fine. I’ve used packing peanuts and I’ve used layers of old styrofoam. Both successfully for lighter loads (buried deeper). Just use something that’s easily removed later when the totes contents are needed.
Just don’t bury something valuable somewhere you may not be able to access it later.
As a child I assisted my grandmother to bury what she called a small treasure she had acquired. So far as I know it’s still there today and it was fifty some odd years ago when we buried it. The land is no longer in the family and I cannot access the location that treasure is buried today.
At current gold prices I could have a very comfortable retirement today, back then there was nearly 500K in gold coin (early 70’s) she acquired back in the late 1930’s.
Of course it was always a matter of contention for my step-grandfather, he knew of the gold but had no idea where it was, he thought the new owners of the business she had sold stole it or claimed it. That fool sold the land after her death in ’77 without knowing the gold was actually buried there.
To this day, I am the only person alive who knows exactly where it is on that land. The crate was so heavy we had to use the loader on a Ford 4000 tractor to get it out of her pickup truck and then a log boom arm on the back of the tractor to get it into the hole I dug (she had me use a 36” auger to dig the hole a good 7’ deep). I thought I was digging a “canning” hole used to bury metal cans we couldn’t burn when burning trash. Then we went to get the “treasure” from the warehouse she had sold two years prior, they used a forklift to put it in the truck.
Ever since the land was sold I’ve waited for an opportunity to get to it or buy the land back myself. If I should pass, I’ll leave word of how to find it with someone if I don’t get to it first. To this day I wonder why on earth she wanted to bury it, I think the coins may have been illegal to own or something?
In either case, there is a fortune in gold coins buried on that land. Deep enough no one is likely to find them without knowing exactly where to look.
Now if the Solectrac files for Bankruptcy the Trustee might be knocking on your door to get that money back.
I am Maine with well, wells are basically the same idea. You have a casement pipe that run DEEP (300' in our case) but the pitless is just below the freeze line which i think here is ~6'. But you have open air from the pitless to the top of the well cap with a metal cap which is NOT air tight. We rarely get above freezing all winter and never have an issue with the well.
Another great vid!!! I put hydrants in all the time, I'm very happy you used a Iowa!!! So many don't and sadly the others are nowhere close to the same quality.
The only issue that came to mind, for me was the weep hole works on the assumption of no back suction. Where the pipe going to the pond is in the water it may create enough draw to not allow the water drain from above ground level.
Just a thought, but it may leak out of the weep hole enough to settle to pond level, I am just not sure.
In any case like the fore thought that went into this, preparing for the future.
As always great video.
Thinking through future options and uses for the water and electrical is surely worthwhile, and can be really handy down the road. Good lesson. A trip to the hat store for Dave (and Cecilia)! Blessings
Soletrak, "green agenda," and government, what could go wrong other than everything.
😂exactly!!
When and if the pond reaches the level of your trench , the water will back flow in the trench causing the pond level to not get any higher. It will not get into your domestic water source but it will be a point at which your pond will leak
Did you miss us putting the bentonite in the trench?
Even notice a difference between dads old 410 and my 260 digging. Mainly over the power difference between the two. Just easing the levers works way better than some that are in a too much of a hurry.
At least you have put in a good foundation and planned for some flexibility as your projects move forward! Great job.
Love the cats! Saw your comment on the electric tractor, I'll stay away from them, although their prices were way too high for me. Thanks!
We had a big pair of pliers like that on the farm and it saw a lot of use.
I would recommend getting water and power like you are doing to get in directional drilled in way less mess and you would have the project done sooner
And how much would THAT cost?
@@TractorTimewithTim it varies on the company that you can get in to do it most companies charge by the meter or the foot and the size of the water line will also affect the price of it butt seeing you have all the equipment to dig it in I see why you went that route
For the trench pushing down the wire and stuff you could have got some PVC pipe . Light weight and should not have any sharp edges.
Great video Tim. Very enjoyable
Wow! Is there anything you don't work on and know how to do? Impressive!
Great job TTWT!
You could have used a sprinkler system cut-off valve with and air blowout instead of the hydrant to prevent freezing. Check out your buddy Pete’s irrigation system installation videos.
Assuming I don’t want to use it in winter…
Just don't ask the Government what's best for your pond 😉
I don’t think you need to ask anymore, the government will be more than happy to invite themselves over and tell you how they would like the pond 😅
Good job looks good.
Good workmen.
That trencher definitely does have its advantage over a backhoe.
I won't remind and then Dave's hand gesture to the missing hat. Nice.
Great video!
Amazing what a difference the new pond looks like now compared to what you had before. I recall the pond you visited prior to starting this project - was it a property in GA or somewhere south? Anyway, that was a beautiful pond with its nice flat shoreline and the water level some 6-12" from the bank.
North Carolina. Yes, beautiful place!
Looks like a long way to push water. Might want to consider an electronic pump (no pressure tank) as a booster between the hydrant and the pond. Menards sells a Barracuda brand $275 that I have used for several years as lawn irrigation pumps. Run the wheels off of them and they just keep pumping with full exposure to the elements but a washtub over one wouldn’t be a bad idea. If your connecting to a multi use well pump may want to consider a Cycle Stop Valve (brand name) $250 to keep pressure at all outlets. Way cheaper and more reliable than electronic pump controllers $kkk’s and work just as well if not better. Using well water will depend on water quality at the well and your areas regulations on well use. Curious why not just drive a sand point or case a shallow well with a dedicated pump (probably new well Regs?). Great call on the cutoff valve by the house! Nice to see the project coming together! Probably a lot nicer for you than us. Ha!
Why would I need a second pump? It works great.
@@TractorTimewithTim That’s good news… Long runs with water, air, fluids usually leads to significant “line drop” in pressure and volume. You can check it with how long it takes to fill a 5 gallon bucket (or how many GPM you have) at the house and then again at the hydrant. All things being equal (hose/line size, valve size) longer runs will have less pressure and less volume. Perhaps your grade is enough downhill to help the water flow with gravity. If the pressure and volume loss is significant out at the hydrant a booster pump will increase that flow and make it easier on your main pump. Your call on what is significant… for me 3 GPM (4,320 gal per day or 30K gal per week) drop would be worth trying a booster. If the booster doesn’t pan out then return it nice and clean. The Barracuda pumps are designed to be a main pump or a booster pump for locations with lower pressure/volume. There are other variables but this hits the top of the waves for just checking for line drop with a bucket and a watch. Might want to consider some foam and PVC with holes drilled in it to approximate your flow as a fountain and aerator while filling the pond? Enjoy learning from your channel! That pond is one awesome project!
Tim, I have three of those Woodford freezeless hydrants on my farm and everytime I forget to disconnect the garden hose in Winter freezing weather the system will not siphon down and it busts the head ( orange part ). I place Tee hose valves on mine now so I can open one side when the handle is closed and and it lets air in and the water will siphon back out of the head. Not sure your design with the water line in the pond will allow the hydrant to siphon back down and empty the head of water this winter without a way to allow air in. Just my experience.
Yea, I think I'll have to unhook this for winter...unless i come up with a better plan before then.
Random question for you tim, getti g ready buy a 1025r loader and 60” mower, want a till, will it run effectively a 60” till, i have dozers, excavators amd track skid loader so i am not foreign to equipment, i cant imagine it wouldnt but dealer said to buy a 48” tiller, ur thoughts?? I truly love your channel and i am very sorry for the long spring you guys have had in your life, i have experienced many of losses in my family in the last 4 years. Take care Tim and fam!
Here is the answer to your question…
Too Much to Handle? 5' Tiller with John Deere 1025R Subcompact? Tractor Basics
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There are several UA-camrs who have ended up with a tractor and no idea what will happen.
Just one other.
@@TractorTimewithTim I think you are correct. I was thinking I had seen several postings, but I guess Stony Ridge is the only one who has come forward about the issue. It would be nice if someone from the company would release those tractors formally so you could decide to keep it or sell it. I feel bad for the dealers who are stock with inventory. I assume they had to pay for the tractors when they got them. I wonder if they will be able to even get their money back when they sell them.
you had ground water to start with, why not let it fill the pond and save your well water? 🤔🤔🤔❤❤❤
Leaving a hose connected to the hydrant tends to leave water at the output of the hydrant and when it freezes the hydrand or connected hose bursts. Ask me how I know.
No danger of freezing right now.
That looked like a crap tonne of work. Great work! I do wonder if filling the pond is a bit premature in consideration of rainfall yet to come? Unless you don't get the rain we get in upper canada.
We are not allowing any runoff water into the pond. The only rain that gets in is the direct rainfall that hits the pond.
I would call a lawyer about that tractor. I would request the legal entity that was the company should have the tractor removed from your property. If not removed, their will be a a monthly storage fee until it is picked up. And figure out if a lean can be applied against the tractor until those fees have been paid. This will keep the repossession people off your property.
Lower your bucket to the ground when digging , it will stabilise your tractor.
I didn’t have it down during a scene? Thought I had it down every time I dug????
Solectrak.......Cali !
Possession is 9/10's of the law. It's your tractor to do as you wish
The 1/10 could end up being quite costly!
@@laughinghay1090 yes, except for the paperwork that Tim has.
Tim, I would be happy to take the electric tractor!
Surely you realize that it is not mine to give away.
Your buddy reminds me of the guy from tool time.
Al Borland? Hmm.
@@TractorTimewithTim yes, that’s him. I can see him looking at you and saying “ I don’t think so Tim”
I'll come pick up the tractor if you want...lol
...and take all liability when the lawyers come after it?
@@TractorTimewithTim lol Yeah, they can come pick it up from here...probably a longer drive for them! hahaha
@@TractorTimewithTimGlad they paid you.
For filling in the trench quickly, wouldn't a 'Disc' harrow that is not digging in work well for pulling the mound into the trench?
Maybe a large rock feature with a waterfall coming down off it.
Hmm. Interesting idea!
This is what they do when they put in a new street. Put the new street in. Then they will be coming back to put some kind of thing in after the fact. I think that the term is planning ahead for the future. The mini excavator has a different style of hydraulic pattern, but the hoe has the other style of pattern. Most of the time you can switch it with a valve in the control panel. Maybe you should have your hydraulic guy who you already have could make something like that.
I use same pattern on both.
@@TractorTimewithTim ok
This would be a great product for the compact tractors sizes.
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I would not rely on the check valve to insure contamination prevention. Use a backflow prevention valve. They are designed for that purpose. The alternative is too hazardous to your family's health
This IS a backflow prevention device.
The best backlog preventer is an air gap. The aerator ( blowing air) would not be my choice. I would use a pump pulling water from the deepest part of the pond to a fountain or waterfall to get the aeration. Aerator are troublesome and heat the water. The fountain will cool the water. The aerator doesn't create much of a current in the pond unless it is deeper and that makes the water hotter still. Warm water does not have as much dissolved O2 as cold water. The deeper aerator uses a lot of energy the pump will use much less. I designed aeration basins for water and wastewater treatment systems. Some aerators will attract the attention of angry alligators, not a problem for you.😊
@@brianhillis3701I think I will continue to listen to the experts at NaturalWaterscapes.com/ttwt
@ 23:40 - could you just push some insulation around it to remove any doubt?
Probably. I have no doubt though :-)
What about your well pump burning up? Thanks
Our new constant pressure pump is supposed to be able to handle it.
Love your projects! When time comes to install an aerator, would you consider a windmill driven aerator?
Aerator is partially installed already. We showed installing the parts that go in the pond last fall.
@@TractorTimewithTim somehow I missed it or my age is catching up with me.
Two problems I see.
If the weep hole is lower than water level of pond water when you shut the hydrant off it will return into your rock. Also you will need to insulate around the hydrant or it will freeze in extreme cold.
Folks seem to think we are idiots.
I’m sorry I upset you. I was only trying to make a comment. I’ll keep from commenting in the future. So very sorry.
@melmcclaine1277 no worries. It just seems obvious that we would prepare for freezing, right?
Maybe I was too harsh. I dunno. It just seems strange that folks make such assumptions.
Freezing wasn’t what I was referring to. Flowing backwards with weep hole lower than pond level.
@@melmcclaine1277ok, well, that point makes no sense to me either.
The pond is sealed to keep water in. Easy to see that water was not running out of the pond into our hydrant hole, so that proves that the seal is working.
I don’t see how pond level will have anything to do with the weep hole.
Nice project! What are you going to do with john deere moving to Mexico if anything? It has me concerned for my two john deeres😊
They are moving the mid sized skid steer stuff. Not the little tractors.
Thanks for the info. I have 650 and a 4100. Great little tractors but I also love my kubota L3200. It also has a backhoe which is just a toy. I make my money with the bush hog
That electrical box it didn’t collapse
When do we get to go fishing in your pond ?
Enron copycats. That Energizer bunny tractor would make a great toy for your teen grandkids and I mean TOY!
Tim what happened to the employees of the blue electric tractor brand is a class A Fellony because it was over $100,000.00 dollars and is a criminal case
Tim, what’s your opinion of Yanmar tractors?
Seem to be rock solid. Very few dealers. Not much of a support system.
I’ll take the tractor if you want it gone
Surely you realize that it is not mine to give away.
@@TractorTimewithTim you never know until you ask and I’ve seen people get lucky . It’s never happened to me before but if you don’t try you won’t know
Disregard the freezing part, I didn’t finish watching the end of your video.
Where have I been?Who is this dave guy in last 2 videos I watched?
Welcome back. Might be a good time for you to go back and catch up on our videos.
Is there a reason you took that big curving path to the pond rather that making a straight line? Is someone at Selectrac going to jail? I hope! Oh geez, poor Christy, could she walk the next day?
I was concerned about hitting our geothermal loop. Not sure where it is, but the large bow was to insure against hitting it.
@@TractorTimewithTim EXCELLENT reason!!
Your well not going to go dry that’s a lot of water
Tim
Re Solectra
I have extensive experience with retirement plans and the law is very clear--failure to promptly put the employee contributions and any employer match into the plan is a criminal offense. DOL will undoubtedly be on these guys.
Now, if Solectra is in Chapter 7 or 11 bankruptcy, their payment to you may be questionable. Depending on when it happened relative to the bankruptcy date, you may be required to return that money to the bankruptcy estate. So do not spend it!
Pete Hutzel
Don’t think they have declared bankruptcy yet.
I can’t believe you installed electrical running with the water lines. Electrical lines are prone to fail over time, specially when exposed to water. The whole idea of filling the pond from the well is foreign to me, that’s going to take a huge amount of energy and water to accomplish. I hope the flow rate from your well can keep up.
Oh and just FYI, the latest Supreme Court rulings handed down make it possible for entities who steal employees funds to be charged criminally and prohibit such agencies as the SEC from holding hearings before an SEC Judge (eliminating the good ol’ boy politics). Someone will have to face a judge in Federal Criminal Court over that theft, possibly even a State Judge if the state decides to prosecute.
I know you’re big on the green machines but when they sell me something and refuse to allow me to repair it myself, they lost a customer. There won’t be any second chances from me. All the machines I own I can and do repair myself, if a manufacture chooses to make the process more difficult than it needs to be then I have no use for them.
…but …. There should not BE water next to the electric lines. If there is, we have a big problem (water leak).