Mike Mentzer Was Proven Wrong A LOT
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Mike declaring war on the fanboys again😭
Of the israetel variation
@@COPEMAN-pe9uxIan reference?
How does this effect lebrons legacy
@@bigwex1805 maybe who knows
@@-Jozef see this guy gets it. Ask the real questions
Mike Mentzer is having the last laugh, he’s doing zero sets per week.
Bro 💀
Bruh
Broseph 💀
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Yo he just like me fr fr
Mentzer did 2-3 “warm-up” sets which he didn’t technically count just prior to the 1 all out intensity set. His argument was that after the final set to failure it was unnecessary and counterproductive to keep doing more sets of the same exercise.
His logic still makes no sense not matter how desperately you try to flip it. The only people who follow mentzers training programs are the lifters who are tryin to find a excuse not to workout anyway
What a load of horsesh1t. I was stuck in my bicep curl pr of, same as bench press for like a year, while working out about 5-6 times a week. My personal trainer told me that i had supposedly reached my natural potential and he tried to intoduce me to steroids. I declined, and tried to follow something very similar to mikes advice. I was working out once a week bicep curls, but instead of doing a trillion reps, i did 6 reps to failure with a very high weight, and then two lighter sets to failure. I technically did more than one set for each exercise, but definately farrr less than the standard. And only Once a week. My strength and size grew fast and finally i unstuck myself from this situation i got stuck in. Can you explain how this worked for me?@@rootofallevi
@@rootofalleviyou just keep standing there needlessly flicking the light switch wasting energy.
Yeah, warm up sets should never be counted. Are you saying his warm up sets were actually hard enough to ellicit growth, I've heard that about Dorian Yates and then it becomes much more like what John meadows always preached, 2 or 3 hard sets keeping a rep or 2 in the bag, then last set of every movement was to failure, outside of the compounds that are risky to go to failure on
Train to failure with less momentum as you can.
Mentzers program works way better than any other program I ever tried.
Yeah Mentzer also says to think critically and I think we all know the meat head in this video doesn't. A buddy of mine recently swapped to mentzers program and started seeing gains every week and we're both natty.
@@Lord_BemoProbably because he uses all of his energy and muscke strentgh on those sets. What i like to do is 2 sets per muscle/muscle group or so 2 times per week and since then i see nice gains.
Try more. Try harder
Not ever one wants to live in the gym and bore the crap out of there friends and family tell everyone about how much weight they can like......Do whatever works and allows you to have a life..
@@Lord_Bemohe isn’t a meathead he has a phd in sports and exercise science, you’ve just went from using bad programs to a marginally better one
Massive shitstorm incoming
Hahahaha
@@BP27-zt1jh One comment taken to failure is all that is required.
@@timmian85 no, you need added forced comments.
followed by partia....
Are you even commenting if you don't myo comment?
I remember articles about Mentzer only doing 1 set, but that he didn't count any of his warm-up sets. The warm-ups would look like a multi set workout.
Yeah it’s like Dorian does 2 pre exhaust sets then 1 set to failure. So in reality he’s doing 2 sets of what a normal 2-3 reps in the tank sets then 1 blow out set so he’s basically doing 3 sets which is what an average lifter would do but he blows his arse out on the last one.
Yup people often forget that plus his repetition velocity was 10 sec per rep..at 10 reps is 100 seconds per exercise! Except where It's 2-5 reps for certain super sets but still It's brutal and lots of TuT
Yes it all depends on your defenition . What mike and yates called warm up sets 99% of others would call work sets
That's the point, do your volume on the isolation and you can do 1 set to failure on the subsequent exercises
except in multi set workouts the "warm up" sets are actualy work sets where you are pushing yourself. In MM the warm up sets are just that and the exertion on them is only 20% effort.
I trust Mike over this guy.
This guy is a professor of sports science and is up to date on the current exercise literature. Mike Mentzer was using the current literature as well at the time, but now that’s been proven less effective over other methods. Nothing against Mentzer
Mike was addicted to meth
Never trust old data over new. New data comes from testing old data and discovering it was wrong.
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I'll take Mentzer's physique over this "exercise scientist" any day.
@@truthskr7127 I love that you give the impression you don't believe in sports science by calling him an "exercise scientist," and yet Sports Science is absolutely integral to the whole discipline of weight-training and body-building.
It'd be a bit like me deriding mechanical engineering while salivating over a Ferrari.
75 years old, a bodybuilding competitor in my youth that trained on nothing but Nautilus equipment and used conservative growth hormones steroids, I did win State and regional championships, with that said. At age 57 I rarely trained at all, my work schedule and major joint replacements stopped consistent weighted resistance training.
At age 71 I suffered a traumatic brain injury that caused me to be immobilized physically dependent on ambulatory assistance, walker and , wheelchair etc. Cognitive skills were also impaired. I was put on a physical therapy program, which was very mild. I started back on my own program of training on the Nautilus machines and low volume very strict slow movements with infrequent training after several months I was able to ditch the walker ,EV scooter and I back up too very vigorous and youthful life style. 6 exercises,1 set too failure strict movement slow and consistent training with 4 to 6 days rest was optimal in my case of over coming immobilizing injury. And with no JUICE NO TRT. I’m currently refitting my Allied Sea Wind sailboat to cross oceans at age 76.
damn! you’ve earnt my respect, Mr Allen :0
Great man! Now you go carnivore! Respect!
This is Anecdotal, but I’m happy you were able to recover, moreover it goes on to say this doesn’t disprove the recovery you could’ve made on another program which may perhaps could have been better.
Cool story if it's true. However, you literally made no actual point whatsoever.
@deanfraser419 HAVE to? I guess not, but I find that to be a bizarre and arbitrary point to make. He made a comment, and I'm eluding to its flaw. Which is also...not hurting anyone.
Get in the gym, stimulate the muscle, force the growth mechanism, get out rest and recover. That’s his philosophy.
Exactly it’s not complicated, just be consistent.
Not exactly. I would say it's stimulate the muscle optimally , without over or under doing it. Allow enough time for recovery and growth.
His phiolophy was really dogmatic about how long you need to spemd in the gym and he expressed it in a way which was pretty condescending to people who as it turns out are doing the right thing....
@@carlosthejakl8493he said you should be able to get your workouts done in 45 mins. Don’t be there for multiple hours. Save your time and go outside and get a hobby. That seems like advice 95% of gym goers should take to heart in my opinion.
@@jakeybballwhat if lifting IS my hobby?
Mentzer basically introduced me to rest days after very hard workouts, so when I grew I naturally thought he was right. He was. About rest days. Since then I've increased volume and seen better results, but with significant rest periods.
Yes rest days are important. 3-4 days in the gym is really all you need. The issue with higher frequency is being able to sustain those workouts without getting burnt out/stalling progress.
Yeah that’s basically what I’ve taken away from it as well.
I once took a whole week off because I hurt one of my muscles and the gains I got were the best yet & the pump I got from my first workout back was my most impressive yet as well so now I take a week regularly after about every 7weeks & definitely see a bigger difference.
To each their own !
@@SoccasteveIf I am to workout 4 days, what program do you recommend?
Yeah same, I like being in the gym so I try going 5 days tops
But I understand 3-4 is plenty
And after finishing a program I usually take a whole week off
Mentzer still managed to help Dorian win multiple Mr O’s 🤷♂️
Dorian was also on copious amounts of gear. Gear literally, factually, empirically makes you gain muscle mass even if you don't work out. Mr Olympias are not proof of anything.
@@fizzcochitohe still beat everyone else that was on juice who did multiple set workouts not to mention levrone took notes from his workout with Yates and helped him improve
@@dantemariscal8679it’s one dude, can’t draw any further conclusions.
@@dantemariscal8679 That is true, I'm not saying he wasn't jacked. I'm just saying any training would've worked for him, Mentzer's wasn't special.
@@fizzcochito I'm interested in reading the data that says you gain muscle mass on gear without working out. Please provide
Actually, the book "Body by Science" from 2019 is based on very recent studies, and it proves Mentzer was pretty much right about intensity and frequency.
Right Bro .... This Baldy,s ego is hurt... I've been on HIT for the last 6 months. It works.
@@aruntomar8832this „baldy“ is a professor for sports and exercise science and he has a phd in sports physiology. I’m quite sure he isn’t just talking out of his ass…
Also anecdotal evidence doesn’t prove anything at all.
@@ac3clawx501 Oooo PHD that's why his endocrine system is all shut. I've been bodybuilding for over 15 years now. Moreover, this HIT PROGRAM is best suited for natural athletes. I'm natty for the last 6 years. Never took HIT seriously before. Sad I should have done this way earlier this is my only regret.
Bro whoever you are clawx just wanted to let you know I'm a qualified Endocrinologist as well. Stop propagation of one workout system for all. Let people try everything and then let them decide. This Baldy as I said earlier is Juiced to the grills. Take care this is my observation And I'm entitled to have one as everybody else.
Bro really said "actually 🤓" to a sports scientist
@@Ianweis yeah buddy
The thing I hate most about Mike Mentzer's philosophy is that I discovered it only 6 months ago .
Shame you were doing so well now u jst fked urself
@Mantastic-ho3vm i actually did , sir .
@Mantastic-ho3vmit changed my life
I put on 35 pounds with the Arthur Jones/ Mike Mentzer/ Tim Ferris’s approach. Even though it’s not the only way to put on muscle, it’s the most efficient for this working college student
@@Freemont_19ya, you definitely look like someone who put on 35lbs of lean mass 😂
I've been on the HIT train for several years now. Haven't been to the gym in 10 months and I am BLOWING UP. Sometimes I look at a picture of a barbell and have to rest for 72-96 hours
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Watch out! You may be overtraining!
Probably could up your rest days a bit more. May be overtraining.
You should prolly take a couple weeks off
You're doing good my boy. But, you can bump that rest up to 2 years between sessions for optimal growth
You know someone is legit when they admit they were wrong and change. Mike is a weapon
I’ve made far more progress following Mike Mentzer’s routine than I did following high volume workouts over the last 12 years of my life. I think he at the very least was on to SOMETHING.
you can't argue against studies with a single anecdote. if humans can ever fully grasp this the world would be a better place. there is some other reason you're doing better with low volume and it isn't to do with anything mike says.
@@gackerman99 “single anecdote”? Wait, am I the only one ever making better progress under Mentzer’s routine??
@@markdevries2961 what does "better" mean? it means nothing outside a proper study context with controls. I'm telling you this categorically: there is no argument you can win by saying "I did this and someone else did that" when there is real data in play. can't be done. don't bother.
and it's always possible to experience improvements IN SPITE of a program's quality for the simple fact of doing any exercise at all. the point is that it'd be suboptimal.
@@gackerman99 I don’t need a proper study to prove that I have seen more results under a particular program than another. I’m not trying to win any “argument”. Simply stated that he was onto something because his methods have worked for me and for others. It seems like you’re more desperate to prove me wrong and “win an argument” over this when there was none to begin with.
@@markdevries2961 you're absolutely right. there is no argument to be had with someone who doesn't understand anecdote vs. data. what a weird, small world you must live in. best of luck.
In his defense, the studies you're referring to dont implement absolute failure like Mentzer would strive for in his workouts. When I go ALL OUT, and I mean BEYOND failure, I cant even do more than 2 sets for a given muscle. Let alone 50...
Also Mike has said do no more the 5 sets. So this 1 set bs is a false talking point
beyond failure is not a thing
@jasonzhang1677 You go to failure, then do partials. Your friend lifts the bar and you lower it as slowly as possible.
You went to failure and beyond, with a negative rep.
You're spot on. Me & my training partner take one set to the point where we're In pieces, can't even hold a negative. Most people don't actually understand true muscle failure.@@jasonk876
@@corvidconsumerrest pauze, drop sets, assisted reps, forced negatives, etc. etc.
Dorian Yates walking into the room.
Dorian yates walking into the injury room.
you are not Dorian dude
No one is ever gonna replicate Dorian’s physique even if you do high intensity, he’s on roids most of the people who train like this aren’t getting anywhere near him because they are natural
@@maxpowers4436 yeah. And? Tell that his 6 Olympia Figures 👍
Edit: He is also healthy now. So your argument is invalid.
@toasterman1457 the point is, he knew that more sets didnt yield more results.
Mentzer wasn't doing normal sets like the people in those studies were doing
Slow positive.. Hold.. Slow negative..
Mentzer was far ahead of his time
So far that research still doesn’t support his training
@@jamessiarom so your argument is “nuh uh”
Very convincing… 😂
Isnt that your Argument? His Argument is that there is Research disproving mentzers Point. Yours ist : mentzer Said so
@@blocksberg3758 read a little bit slower next time I know the comment was super lengthy and esoteric but I trust you can understand it
The studies he’s referring to had participants doing the same rep techniques while the only variable was different amount of sets. What the research doesn’t take into consideration is the rep style Mentzer was doing, slow positive, hold, slow negative (more time under tension)
Something tells me you’re as strong as you are smart (you couldn’t properly read a 20 word comment 😂)
So far ahead mf died before everyone else. Far ahead everywhere except at the Olympia
It's not just the set. It's the intensity.
Actually
I’ve been doing volume training for 15 years. Started mentzer style HIT program and I’m actually getting stronger. It’s quite amazing. I do go all out to complete failure. I do two sets instead of one and I get more rest days. I’m spending significantly less time in the gym and I have more off days to rest. This is such a huge benefit for me with a full time, on call job, and a child.
Thank you Mr mentzer. Game changer!
How many times you going to the gym?
Mike actually allowed for up to 5 sets. But lots of gym bros just want to shit talk him without actually knowing what Mike said.
Yeah I had extremely fast strength gains from week to week, without fail. My improvement from 215 for 5 on an inclined bench to 305 for 4 in 8 weeks was the most mind-blowing experience for me. Say what you want about Mentzer. I went every every other day, trained my entire body in 4 workouts, each exercise was 1 set of roughly 40% of my max for 10 reps under control followed by 1 all our set with a goal of failing on rep 5. my strength improved so fast that my joints couldn't keep up. my wrist, both elbow, and shoulder hurt. my knees and hips seemed fine. I believe I will grow better if I can lift heavier.
Like most HITters - stronger not bigger
@@dtm4071 they go hand in hand
I actually regret discovering Mike Mentzer too late in my life. I'm now 38 and been lifting for 20 years. Right up till my mid 30s, I was lifting 6 days per week. Yeah I look good but I was always sore and in pain and I thought that was normal according to the bro-science. After watching Mentzer's videos at 35, I started lifting only 3 days per week spending more time on recovery. I still maintain my gains with 50% less work and have ZERO pain. Not even a little bit!
Wow that's pretty awesome
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It's clear you arent really knowledgeable about working out. Ofc you can maintain your gains with 50% less volume, even way less. Even Dr Mike made a video on that weeks ago. This is about progressing, not maintaining.
Glad to hear that you're no longer grossly over training, good for you 👍
Why would you want to do less work ???
This guy is talking about volume as opposed to intensity… Mike was trying to emphasize working out really fucking hard vs working out often
Trained 4 times a week...okay...trained twice with one working set....best results ever. Mike owns it
@@YeahTheDuckweed nah man lol no need for it, I'm patient with my gains I don't mind waiting
@@YeahTheDuckweed yeah Mike was genetically gifted for sure. At fifteen he was already benching like 300lbs so his genetics were insane. However his research was for the natural lifter, it's actually simple biology, but everyone rides the Arnold Dick train and believes everyone should be in the gym four hours a day, same guy to scam and back stab everyone and "fuck your freedom" so yeah Mike all day
Correlation does not equal causation. You upping your intensity can cause better results for multiple reasons that affect more than thinking bro I gotta do less man. For example, your prior working set with 4 times of week probably was self programmed and didn’t have proper percentage usage to help you recover from the intensity you were working at so you made less gains. But now you swapped to one intense working set your body is dealing with the new stimulus essentially being progressively overload by your intensity, and your recovery is probably better so your gains are happening. But how long will this training style keep up your muscle development? But by all means not listen to actual literature or understand the shit that accounts for your lifting like RPE, RIR.
Correlation does not equal causation - yes exactly. Just because you get a pump from high volume and it makes you feel better, doesn’t mean it’s effective
Your physique is doughy and soft as a result of the Mentzer routine. And your hairline is receding.
One thing remains constant - you can't train with high intensity and train for long hours. It depends on your goals as well.
Wrong son, try my special preworkout and u'll be goin hard all day long
@@Mike_Methzer It has only natural substances in it (Its literally crack)
@@Mike_Methzerstay mad
Bullshit I do this often if u do your cardio you have more stamina and go go intense for longer
@@Mike_Methzeris it taken via needle in the ass cuz if so I have something to tell you
You don't grow in the gym, you grow once stimulated, rest and overcompensated Don't mistake inflammation for gains!
I always grow once stimulated
Penis joke incoming...
And very few people will be adequately stimulated by a single all out set. Id say most people are actually incapable of the mental energy and fortitude required to produce a single all out set, myself included.
@@callanc3925Most people are weaklings
@@jonnuanez7183 especially when a provocative female is around 😂
Mentzer was right about intensity over quantity. Where he went wrong was assuming that quantity was therefore undesirable.
Your statement is false. If you want to put in size and strength he’s tells you to figure his program
Mentzer looked better than you Doc. Period.
Mentzer was still wrong, kiddo. Period.
@@michaelmanning7954Explain how he was wrong. The science says otherwise
@@michaelmanning7954no he wasn’t he was going to school for premed he knew what he was saying I will acknowledge the fact medicine and education has come much farther, but he was still way ahead of his time like when they tried to burn Galileo for saying we go around the sun
@@michaelmanning7954his message is for the future you won’t even understand this he was a genius truly
Genetics also play a huge factor…
At 40yrs old, a family and working 60+hrs a week, 4-5 high intensity sets per muscle group a week works well for me.
But that's the whole point of this discussion-. 4-5 hard (0-3 RIR) sets/week works very well for most, but it isn't optimal for the vast majority of lifters. The problem with members of the HIT cult is that they claim it is OPTIMAL for most, and that is demonstrably not the case at all. I'm only doing 6-7 set per week for chest right now and it is working well for me, but more at the same level of quality/intensity would be better. But, like you, I'm older (48) and work is taking too much of my time at the moment, but what I am doing is by no means optimal, and I wouldn't tell you it is.
Be careful, at this age overuse injuries are a thing.
@@petek4279this. In my 30s I think my heave deadlift and squat days are behind me. I’ve changed it to more volume with lighter weight. It was good while it lasted though.
@@locomike102who counts sets? I can firmly tell you just lift intense and rest long simple
workhours and lifestyle is often something most people overlook when designing a programme. as it affects the amount of working sets you can get away with per week drastically.
Someone working full time with lots of responsibilities and busy lifestyle will overtrain easily compared to someone else who is unemployed and can sleep as long as they want and live a less stressful day to day.
Often it can be much more beneficial to do less and make 'some' slow gains over time, than push for more and make zero gains as constantly fatigued, due to lifestyle
1 warm up set. 1 half working set. 1 real working set.
We were also told in the 2000's that protein powder was "essential and better" than food. The first thing we learned in statistics was most studies are biased and funded because they are.
Simple, you don't understand what Mike Mentzer meant.
Yeah. He makes money off working out makes sense
mike mentzer lives rent free in haters head's 😂
Rent free in his fanboy’s hesds
Mike mentzer doesn't live anywhere
You only like homosexual meth addict mike mentzer because you think he's a cool bad boy contrarian, in reality he was a retard who didn't even use the methods he preached to achieve his physique
Hey man, as long as idiots keep doing suboptimal overly systemic fatigue causing workouts like mentzer I’ll be happy, to know I’m growing 2x the amount of the guy next to me because I actually have evidence behind my training and he just has “one guy on gear” is very rewarding.
@@staebs " a guy on gear " ...LOL.
every bodybuilder is on gear.
Metzer is the only one to ever get a perfect 300 score at Mr. Universe
Have you ever heard of genetics? That's not an argument for saying mikes right.
All the pros are gifted with good genetics. I heard Menzer going back only about three months. All i adapted from him is i go to failure on the last set. I have seen big strenth gains from it. I am just a hobby lifter
@@brandonball5971delete this immediately
Idk why everyone is so polarized just lift consistently and go for heavy weights doing 3 second down paused benches with 2 plates is boring
@@drewgrows7765 i respect Mentzer's ideology but how you spelling his name wrong twice
It worked for him; maybe it's not the most effecient way of growing, but it works for him. You just have to find what works for you and nothing ks right or wrong as long as you follow the basic principles of hypertrophy.
I also follow Mike Mentzer's style of training but I believe the best approach to training in general is to not let anything, not your feelings, not what looks cool or badass, not what others say you're supposed to do or say is the best, not even the latest research, dictate your training, with one exception - your personal record keeping.
If the things you're tracking are going up then continue in the direction you're going, if not then modify your approach. It's that simple.
After years of doing all kinds of high volume, multi set training, my record keeping has led me towards low volume, low frequency, one set to failure training so there definitely is something to be said about it.
We all know one set done Mentzer style is more effective than 5 sets done by 99% of gym goers today.
Exactly!
Strawman, this was never part of the discussion.
@Gamingguy-my4wn My point is relevant. As you can see, others appear to comprehend what I'm saying. if you can't understand it or choose to remain ignorant, that's on you.
@@timmiet47321 “the others” you mean your 44 likes amassed over 5 months? And no, it isn’t relevant to the conversation, the conversation was about wether or not mentzers training style stands the test research, as being most optimal, the answer to which is no, it doesn’t. Wether or not it’s slightly better than 99% bullsh*t performed in gyms is irrelevant because it’s no where near as good more modern training styles.
In conclusion you take someone who’s training is absolute garbage and put them on HIT they’ll get good results, you take that same person and put them on RIR training they’ll make even better results.
Edit: FYP this isn’t even a debate, it’s simply what the literature says.
@@Gamingguy-my4wnI'll forgive your ignorance and closed-minded views on the topic. Once you draw a conclusion, you leave no room for other possibilities. You can think about it or move on. Frankly, I really don't give a shit.
For everyone here: Please read his books. It's not 1 set to failure and done. 1 set to failure for a beginner and as time goes on, you don't add another set, you prolong it with special techniques as drops sets, forced reps, negatives, rest pause. The more advanced you get, the more demanding the sets become and the more rest days you need.
Going to the gym and mindlessly repping weight is not training, it's just hammering yourself.
And even though you might not believe in the HIT philosophy, please study it and apply certain techniques.
Don't knock it till u try it.
You know why Dr Mike doesn’t recommend this? Because it doesn’t grow your muscles or gain you strength optimally. It’s fine if you want to train all out max intensity and gain that systemic fatigue/rob yourself of recovery due to damage, that’s cool, go for it. But at the end of the day it not particularly well designed training methodology with very little basis in real proven science. I never would’ve expected the “ugh Science based lifters what nerds” crowd to show up on Dr Mikes channel of all places. If you don’t like science based lifting you probably won’t enjoy your time here lmao.
@staebs have you ever tried menzter style training? Before I even knew who he was, I followed Dorian Yates advice. I am always known as 'that muscular guy' ever since high school. I trained his way and always had people asking me how I did it...6 day rest periods. I think recovery time is the largest variable between different people, you have to find what works for you.
@chancefluke7833 yeah it's a bit funny Dorian talks about it too and the bloke was ridiculous 😂
@@staebsI have modified mentzers program, and I have never seen greater results in my physique and strength. 3 training sessions per week, chest&back, legs, arms&shoulders. 2 sets per exercise, no more than 4 sets per muscle group each week. Much more time efficient, and greater results than a typical PPL split.
@@chancefluke7833I agree.Well said.I've been using a Mentzer/Yates style for almost a year and I'm better rested,stronger and have more enthusiasm about training.I've met Mike Mentzer and spoke to Dorian Yates.I wished I'd listen to them sooner.
"Fitness Influencers" being sooo threatened by a Dead Guy. It's been amazing.
Threatened? He's just saying that his advice is outdated
Cope harder and cry about it
University professor, sport scientist, bodybuilder. Why choose the most lame one?
Outdated!? Hmmm If you actually READ anyone of Mentzers books you would understand how great his training system is. But I forgot… Gen Z can’t read and gets info from a UA-camr and treats it as gospel.
He was a quack and science isn’t an exact
Dude is wrong. Flat out. Mentzers “program” is the most effective, adaptable and efficient method to this day
Says fanboys. ALL other sources contradict your statement. Peer reviews with thousands of people versus one person? Peer review wins
Mentzer wasnt wrong in his time before data. We improved on it. Like the sun isnt revolving around the earth
Back your argument up with science, data and research
@@username-yf1px google it. Data has been in existent since the 60’s
@@username-yf1px research is been available since the 60’s. Mentzer didn’t invent it. Just championed it. Google is your friend. Use it.
@@michaelmanning7954then why stop at 3 sets why not just train 20 sets, hell why stop 20
How did we go from avoiding junk volume to now go do 30 to 60 sets per muscle a week smh...
Since we got smarter and learned that progressive overload = maximum performance.
@@mdc123-v2vprogressive overload isn't doing more sets.
It's progressively increasing the amount of weight used to shock the muscles..
@@user-oo4yi7ec4kyou are progressively adding sets over time, backing off when you are over fatigued. You don't start out doing a lot of sets
Because the studies are scams.
Because these influencers have to make money off of you. So as soon as you hit your natural peak these roid heads come up with some bs that all the other idiots spit out and then circle jerk each other off until someone else says no you’re doing it all wrong.
As a natural, lifting more intensely with less sets has hugely benefited my size, strength, and focus. I also incorporate Dr. Mike's advice on stretch-mediated hypertrophy too (which leaves me sore as hell for days). My point is, take advice from multiple people and find what works best for you as an individual.
Completely bullshit. You would gain a lot more if you took that “intensity” and did a proper workout.
Same for me. I've been training for 4 + years and high volume have never worked for me at all. I burn myself out so quickly and plateau very fast on my lifts. Around 8-10 sets per muscle group per week seems to be the sweet spot for me right now to grow the best and make steady progress in my lifts.
@@erkiperki1234 then ur training was garbage.
Doing junk volume is also wrong, but there's a middle ground for years, 6- 10 weekly sets.
@@Viking_Raven lol. No. Try 18-24 weekly sets. You kids just pure fucking lazy.
It IS up for debate because people are going to talk about it whether you want them to or not, and they ARE talking about it. Influencers getting upset about that just makes people want to delve into it even more. People are trying it; it’s actually working for people (not everyone can make content full time and work 50 sets a week, some people spend 12 hours a day in car plant on their feet). The conclusion is that it’s obviously a very real and very effective method. I’ve been struggling with depression since my fiancée left me 3 weeks ago and I’m on like day 6 of Mentzers ideal program I’ve only worked my arms once and I’m already seeing a difference I have a 40 hour week job and a side hustle as a blacksmith and a welder and orders are coming in. This program takes a huge load off me. I’m going at it again tomorrow and we’ll see what happens. ✌️
I started the Mentzer program and immediately saw my upper chest grow to the point my coworkers asked what I was doing. Mind you, I already had a decent chest to where I got comments. I don’t intend to do the program long term, but the pushing beyond failure and taking rest days has value. Especially if you're having joint pain or fatigue from volume training
40 sets a week? Person must be training with Zero intensity
Bingo
Single bodypart, 5 days a week, 8 sets per day is doable for certain muscles.
@@nonoffensiveperson9877The sets per week he's referring to is each muscle group. So, 40 sets of chest per week, for instance
Yeah like Arnold with his 60-80 sets per muscle per week. That guy had no intensity, right?
40 might be high for natties, but if you’re taking training advice from bodybuilders, you should be assuming enhanced.
I do Myo-Reps anyone els ? Personally I think they are the best
Unpopular truth: Everything doesn’t work for everyone, but doing something works better than nothing.
Not exactly.. For example I did heavy compounds for years and got 0 forearm growth.
4 months into training them 3x a week they have doubled in size.
Doing low volume for them got me 0 results and wasted valuable time.
Training with the proper method worked great.
Bro felt like shakespeare after writing this
No shit
@@benjamindavis2475 That's interesting. I'm a weekend/casual lifter and deadlifts/pullups alone made my forearms swollen compared to when not working out at all. I feel an amazing pump in them after a workout session.
Not exactly... For example I did heavy compounds and my forearms have responded extremely well by the passive stimulus of constantly holding the barbell in lifts like deadlift, barbell rows, bench press, etc. What @BlamBird said is true, everything doesn't work for everyone. The fact that I get more forearm growth from compounds lift with no direct forearm training than you do, is proof in the pudding that things work differently for everyone. @@benjamindavis2475
Mike Mentzer’s workouts are THE BEST thing I’ve encountered in my gym journey. Unfortunately, I’ve been lifting with my own program for 2 years. Yeah, I’ve made some decent progress, but now I’m feeling a lot bigger and stronger only after a month of working out like Mr. Mentzer. Thank God I’ve met him now and not in another year or two, which would’ve been lost or at least not so productive. Heavy Duty is absolutely best
That one set which Mike Mentzer mentions is slow, no momentum, no locking out and till failure.
On the other hand the multiple sets per week studies you are mentioning are not till failure and include locking out and are not slow.
So you cannot compare apples with oranges and say one is better than the other.
Sir, there are many roads to Rome. Mike’s fans just see Mike’s way to be more efficient.
Need Jay Vincent to debate Israetel
Mentzer hit is working for me, I'm not of steroids or "TRT" like the guy in this video.
Yeah, the Mentzer Method works best for Naturals and people who just want symmetry, strength and health.
Unlike Mike Mentzer, a completely natural athlete
@@methodman5639 he did take the forbidden pre-workout
@@methodman5639 unlike u, a natural with tiny pipecleaner arms
@@methodman5639honorable natty lifter :Mike otren
because most people cannot train properly with one set doesn’t mean one set is less effective, fatigue limits muscle growth
Exacly 1 set of exercise can do a lot. Even studies confirm that and real life expirience. Do not listen to small kids like mantistic
Those study’s didn’t include mike’s philosophy about “what is a set”
People love to misconstrued what Mike actually talked about because they hear a 10 second clip and this is just another example of that happening.
Brother you're shit talking a PHD guy. I'm sure he'd put more effort than watching a 10 second clip before forming an opinion.
@@notyilli_2481 You didn't get what he meant, dude! Besides, it was HIM actually putting up this video, not somebody else...
@@firsthelix6726 oh shit, I misread your comment lmfaooo
Exactly
This is a 60 second clip not 10 bro
It's important to note that Dr. Mike doesn't entirely discredit Mike Mentzer's training as ineffective or useless, but simply points out that it is NOT the most optimal training methodology for growing muscle. A lot of people can and will grow muscle using Mike's HIT philosophy, but if you're very serious about bodybuildiing you need to incorporate more sets into your program.
I personally love Mike's HIT training even though I no longer train with that philosophy. It taught me a lot about the importance of intensity and proper recovery. It also warmed me up to the idea of working out more than twice per week gradually. As a beginner I don't want to be in the gym 5-6 days a week. Straight up. I'm working out to improve my overall fitness and boost my mental health in the process. If I can put in 2 hard days of working out each week and see results (though not the MOST optimal), that's satisfying for me.
Over time, I incorporated more sets and more days in the gym and don't feel burdened by it as I did when I first starting working out. I owe that to Mentzer and his HIT philosophy.
If you want to make the point that his methods were not the most optimal, that's fine. But discrediting his system entirely as garbage makes you sound like a clown when fitness and strength training is all tailored uniquely to the individual. Some things are more comfortable for other than they are for you. Surprise.
Listen buddy, that level of thought and nuance in a comment isn't welcome here. We're here to shout about cult-like adherence to fringe lifting ideology espoused by people who may or may not have even done what we say they want us to do.
@@locomike102This guy thinks we have the capability to be open minded and understand that different people have different goals and respond differently to different training styles I CANT LMAOOOOOO😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
One of my coworkers used to compete in bodybuilding and when he trained volume like Dr Mike he got smaller and weaker. When he trained Dorian Yates blood and guts he got huge and strong.
@@ryanrogers8211 ok but when you say "volume like doctor mike" do you mean like an average of 10-20 sets per muscle group per week split throughout the week or do you mean bro split 30 sets for each muscle group each week.
I personally like how Dorian refined Mike’s methods. For anyone to say it doesn’t work, or isn’t optimal is silly. Wheres this “scientific data” that asserts it doesn’t work? Recovery is important. Over training, that of 2-3 hrs a day, 5-6 days a week over time will without question take its toll both physically and mentally on anyone. And lead to burnout. 3-4 times a week, shorter brief sessions with intense focussed training, getting stronger week to week speaks for itself. Time better spent in my honest opinion.
Mike Mentzer was a threat to gyms, supplements, workout plans etc. He threatened the whole industry with the truth.
Where's the evidence?
@@chadingram6390the evidence is in the people who used it. Google it kid
What truth? Be specific
conclusions: theres many ways to achieve a good physique, and the perspective on which is the best keeps changing. ultimately you should choose a workout thats fun for you, because going to the gym and having fun always leads to more progress than torturing yourself and quitting
I’m working out 2 times per week and results are exactly the same as when I used to do 16 sets per muscle x2 per week. 1/3 of the work for same results. I’ll take 1/3 of the work all day.
You can’t listen to the studies because studies have a lot to take in consideration. Try out for yourself and if it doesn’t work, go back, but I’ve been training like this for a year now and I wouldn’t change it for the world.
Be careful my man, you might be overtraining. Better slow that down to 1 per week, or even better 1 per 2 weeks.
I'm doing Mike's suggested style and he was correct 💯 I've been training for 40 plus years. God bless Mike Mentzer ☺️
You'd give up the whole world in order to keep from training an extra day or two?
You crazy as hell bruh😂
According to this clown, Dorian Yates didn’t know what he was doing either.
"I was training at one extreme end of the spectrum and when i shifted to the other extreme end of the spectrum i got the same results"
Google "parabola" homie
I’ve done what Mike has said and nothing has worked until I did it his way. I couldn’t believe the first time I felt my chest move as I would run. That’s when I knew I was growing. Then I bought shirts that were a little bigger just as inspiration to put them on. And now I can fit them. Mike isn’t wrong
Which Mike?
@@jaijaiwantedMike Mentzer, sir
Mentzer wasn’t “wrong” but he was further from the truth than dr Mike. When looking for validation of a training method, it’s important to have a large sample size as it reduces the factors that interfere with what you’re actually studying. An experiment with just one individual is almost useless as there can be so many things distorting the results. In this instance perhaps while using the 1 set per exercise method you began using a sufficient exercise intensity in contrast to before (assuming before wasn’t sufficient- with volume equated), if this is the case then it makes it look like doing the 1 set made your results improve when it might have actually been the lack of effort before the change of method. There are lots of other similar effects that are likely happening. Please consider this, balding jew lesbian (also known as dr Mike) bases almost everything he says about exercising on academic literature (studies and shit), which means it is more likely to be true than a somewhat arbitrary number using be people before there was such available academic literature.
You sure that you aren’t just accepting comfort and mediocrity in your training as proof of development? Like I am no doubt sure if you did your working sets with the proper intensity you would grow properly if your form is consistent.
@@engell3707yeah don’t listen to controlled studies, bro science will get you the gains
Tell me you know nothing about Mentzers logic without actually knowing anything about Mentzer's logic. This is pitiful.
Nowadays, people just don't know intensity anymore. No wonder 1 set couldn't work for them
Mike's workout is a great way to grow for natural lifters. Juice up and go 50 sets per week, as you body has extra recovery juice available. Do it natural and your rest becomes your "juice".
its literally the opposite, if your juiced u need to train less. And if your natural u need to train more. Mentzer was juiced, so maybe he could grow with that much rest.
Big dummy Mike was juiced and a meth head
@@trevorhicks82so Arnold who did the opposite to mikes wasn’t juice lol? The truth is juice helps both but especially recovery more
@@ZyroSugar Jeff Nippard cited a study of people on steroids who didn't work out at all still gained significant muscle. You don't have to have a good training plan to grow while on gear.
That is not how steroids work. They don't just make you bigger they allow you to do more and recover faster. You may be thinking HGH. @@trevorhicks82
But we cant blame him that "The harder you train the faster you gonna grow" thats absolutely right
@Mantastic-ho3vm Stop being a baby who want to be able to workout without effort while scrolling through instagram.
@@treali It’s like 90% of these people just don’t even wanna bother to actually train
Mike was right as long as the set is as intense to muscle overload, as he said.
Been doing higher volume approach with proper periodization for 12+ years. Started doing Mentzer’s heavy duty HIT training for the past 4 months and have never made gains so fast and efficiently. This clip is a perfect example of how people still don’t understand how to perform a proper heavy duty set. It’s the toughest training I’ve ever done pushing past absolutely momentary muscular failure. This guy built his entire business off high volume training and is doing whatever he can to preserve the legitimacy of his business now that people are realizing HIT works.
1. Mike in a later interview said him self that some of his clients (mostly lean/skinny guys) did followed his exact plane, he supervised them personally (so not phone clients, to be clear) and his program did not work for them! He made them a more traditional program, what worked (again he said this himself). So not one size fit all program.
2. I'm sure with time as studies got published he would update his training methods too.
3. It was also a counter program for Arnold's daily 2+ hours, 2x workout per day, everyday BS. What was pushed heavily by bodybuilder magazines.
4. "One set is all you need" also marketing, because his methods involves a lot warm up and lot of pre-fatigue workout of the target muscle, then traning it to failure with on one set actually.
Not long time ago the buff dudes also made a training video about M.M training method, check it out.
5. Dr Mike also said himself that for those bodybuilders who overtrained before switching to M.M method they see a lot of benefits because they finally taking time to recover! So not the "new one set and done" method helps in the growth, rather then the *recovery time what was missing before* and the previous workout plan!
Which Mike? Confusing.
@@mementomori29231really? Mike Mentzer. I did wrote it as M.M too, but I only referred to Dr.Mike as Dr. Mike.
It all comes down to steroid users not realizing how extremely easy it is to make muscle compared to a natural.
They can do 1 set a week, 50 sets a week per muscle, each set to failure... they'll still grow.
For a natural you can easily overtrain or not grow because of low volume.
This same effect applies to advanced lifters vs beginners, but obviously the effect is infinitely less.
@@GoldstharOvertraining is overrated
@@Kamil_Srnkamy job is not even that physical, but I’m on my feet most of the time and trust me it doesn’t take me a lot of effort to overtrain myself
As a trainer, and speaking for myself, Mike Mentzer's philosophy still holds true now. Don't hate.
But if his philosophy led to giving incorrect training advice based on actual scientific studies comparing methods, then it's not hating, it's just being honest.
You’re stupid and wrong.
Fact of the matter is one set is not enough. I dont care how far you go to failure, you will have way more left in you in about 2 minutes. That is proof enough that one set isnt going to cut it, unless you are a 100lb noob
@Ojthemighty Mike also promoted resting for 10 seconds then doing more reps. I forget what he called it though
@@N-S. Thats called going beyond failure and i was already doing that before i knew it was a thing. Mike gets way too much credit.
That one set has a shit ton of drop sets. Also if people tried to do a study on it, the participants would have to be marines because the intensity required is not for the average person.
Mike Mentzer physique at its peak was undeniable and stage ready.
People need to learn that they don’t need to listen to every single piece of advice from whatever person. Take what’s good and disregard the bad, and create a program that works for you. Mike was right about intensity, recovery, and nutrition, doesn’t mean I need to train “one set” and use meth as pre workout.
This, I dunno why it is always either or with people I guess they like to be in a lil group so they feel like they belong somewhere or sumn, ik people are tribalistic in nature but shits out of hand, instead of dogmatic thinking we should do what works for us n grab the good from each philosophy tbh that’s the best way 💯💯💯
The popularity of Mike Mentzer's philosophy is no different than why quick weight loss programs - that promise "you can lose 30 lbs in s month with no hunger" - are so popular. They appeal to people's desire to take the easiest route that requires the least amount of sacrifice.
100%, their training philosophy seems to revolve around 'how can I reduce the amount of total work I need to do?' When it really should be 'how can I maximise the amount of work I can do without overtraining?'. Volume isn't bad. In fact it's very good. We should try to do more of it, not less
If you think it's easy, then you're 100% doing it wrong.
1 actual heavy duty working set is more time under tension than your 3 or 4 sets of traditional bodybuilder training.
Mate just said the easiest route. I 100% guarantee you 95% of people in the gym right now are not even training close to how hard Mike advised
@@petek4279That's how every set is supposed to be. But you started wrong like most lifters.
You're just starting to learn the basic concepts.
@@silverhost9782No its actually about consolidating the same amount of work into less time. It's kinda common sense. Most traditional approaches involve doing 5-10 sets that last 20 seconds a piece with 3 or 4 of those reps being difficult enough to illicit some type of stimulus. So 100-200 total seconds or time under load. A properly performed HIT set will last 100 seconds on its own. "Volume" is not reps × weight × sets. Volume is time spent doing meaningful muscular work. A maximum effort static hold would be "zero volume" according to the former definition, but a maximum effort static hold would recruit and stimulate a ton of muscle fiber, so clearly there was some "volume" performed. If your 5x10 involves less total time spent performing meaningful muscular work than my 1 HIT set, then I trained with higher volume than you did, I just spent less time in the gym.
I have trained exclusively calisthenics for 15yrs as a Natty. Have trained high volume for most of that time 3x per week. It led to tendonitis and joint pain and long periods of not being able to train. For the last 2yrs have used HIT style and seen no tendon/joint pain, only steady muscle growth.
INTENSITY has to be considered. Mike was correct
"Yeah, I only do 1 set per muscle group per week, bro, and I only blast meth pre- and anabolic steroids post-workout, bro"
yeah lol I took meth and I did 62 pushups, I can get lik 40 or 45 sober. no wonder he did one set because meth makes you able to go way further than whats possible sober
Dr Mike takes steroids. What’s your point?
Isn't the meth thing a myth? I thought he took amphetamine, not methamphetamine.
Are you saying that's *not* effective?
@@simak2391he had a prescription. It wasn't meth. Only morons keep saying that.
I was waiting for him to finally talk about this because those lunatics don't listen to me.
So we should listen to this juice taking idiot
Because you're nobody. Mike here has a Ph. D lmao
Of course why would they listen to a nobody?
@@z0uary you are very far from realizing how dumb you actually are.
@@z0uaryit's funny that you call him "a nobody" when you've got 4 subs lmao
"Sir , i just asked for directions"
He specifically said that his program was for people not taking any kind of STEREOIDS
I think the whole point of Mike’s method is to activate the growth signal with the minimum amount of fatigue and that varies from person to person depending on how well you recover but at the end of the day if you’re progressing every week with the same form then you by definition are making gains
correct! you hit the nail on the head as most still dont understand that point
The problem with Mentzer is that he is preaching that his method is the only right method and everything is wrong. He is just a businessman that wants to sell his books and programs.
@@josefernandez4423 I guess Dorian Yates got scammed big time
@@josefernandez4423 Mentzer straight up says in his book that 1 set to failure may not be enough for everyone to grow maximially from, but that it is the logical starting place for everyone to start from and then experiment on their own.
The people claiming MM was a charlatan are the people who never read his work to begin with.
I think the point of Mike's program was to sell books and videos to suckers.
dorian yates proves mike was right, mike was a well educated man
Yates did way more than what was advertised plus he built a good amount of his physique from traditional training so idk why HIT jedis keep on bringing him up as it seems that you guys have no idea how either of em actually trained for the majority of their career 😂😂 I actually read the books n did the research but I’m guessing many of y’all just listened to some random ass audio clips on yt n online posts, either way even mentzer did volume training the whole or at least nearly whole majority of his career, something everyone seems to forget to mention or doesn’t even know 😂😂
@@ouroboroscartel8079 he sates 1 set to failure, in and out was his words, if you are a volume set worker then why does 4 or 5 sets deem to be true? why not 10, 20 even 40 sets? 1 set of total failure is enough to stimulate growth, AthleneX and many many others state the same, you forget that Mike Mentzer was the only body builder who got a perfect 300 score, so that in itself proves it works
So if you read the books and done the research when did menzter start doing hit training. You would know the year and not just state the majority of his career
The speaker is trying to present (briefly) actual research, and you're giving an anecdote. Anecdotes are not research.
ever seen Yates training footage? the guy was inhuman. he'd loft heavy, then lift heavy again, then again and again and again. none of that train hard rest harder bullshit. people forget that mentzers training videos were marketed to casual fitness enthusiasts, they're a brilliant marketing tool because they tell people they can be huge with minimal work. they're no better than those 8 week ab routines.
The key is stimulus. If you get the stimulus from 1 rep or 20 rep then you accomplish what you set out for for hypertrophy
There’s some good takeaways. It’s good for busy people to know that we can make huge differences in our physique with just 30-45 minutes of lifting 3-4 days a week.
Mike was wrong about nutrition and going as low as 4 work sets per week, but his general philosophy holds up for driving strength, which drives growth. 45 sets per week for one muscle group is ABSURD if you’re not on gear.
Mike was spot on about nutrition. What are you even talking about?
It is not just 4 sets. People seem to overlook the sets not preformed to failure. There is volume in a HIT program just not all done at maximum weight and not preformed to failure
I do two rather intense warm up sets of 10 reps at a slow tempo then one final set at maximal weight of 6-10 for each exercise.
Time under tension is around 260-300 seconds for each exercise except for Incline bench and Dips.
@@ickdon7999no he wasnt, he had his macro percents off and said that it was all about calories. however if you eat an ancestral diet of grassfed beef, organs, dairy, and fruit then your metabolism goes absolutely through the roof, i have been eating about 5 k calories a day for a year and i am down to 12% bodyfat, watch some paul saladino
@@ickdon7999he just doesnt talk about nitrates, nitrites, gums, carrageenan, etc all the man-made additives that tank metabolism and dont let you eat enough nutrient dense food
@@KILLCOLONIALISMWarm up sets don’t count, because if they did then my 3x10 bench workout just became 7-8 sets. And that’s not correct
Bro, you take the 1 set to beyond failure, anyone who has done true high intensity knows how absolutely brutal the training is. You can’t take a muscle beyond failure 27 times a week.
I take every set to failure, 16 sets per muscle group - twice per week so 32 in total.
I think a lot of beginners are following mike mentzers philosophy because they truly feel exhausted after a couple of sets.
Most guys with serious mass who have been training for years/decades wouldn’t even feel like they’ve done a warm up yet by doing a couple of sets per muscle group per week.
@@user-qo1cw2hz3p it’s not about being exhausted, it’s about making progress. Most people cannot progress on high volume. I’ve seen strength increases of 2-3 reps per exercise on HIT, and with volume training I was lucky to get even a single rep increase
@@user-qo1cw2hz3p"feel"
@@user-qo1cw2hz3pmore than 2 sets is just unnecessary muscle damage and not enough recovery time for it
How do you take a set beyond failure?
Mikes workouts were probably more intense then the ones used in the studies
Try making ONE video without a gay joke
I’d still rather have Menzter as a lifting partner than this guy lmfao.
Quick Mike Mentzer fans, unleash your Anecdotes. We would sure love to hear about your insane life changing progress
I gained 75lbs of muscle in one year by doing 1 set per muscle group per month.
“I put 50 pounds on my bench doing HIT bro.”
“Oh yeah, what are you benching now?”
“185 bro”
I ascended to a being of pure energy by eating 0.1 grams of protein per kilo of body weight and quitting exercise all together
i put 100 lbs of muscle doing 1 rep dumbbell biceps curls only once this year
@@LiberatedMind1 I did that with 1 rep per month.
Personally, i have found the same results with both principles but i can maintain the same consistent growth much more easily with heavy duty. Spending 2 hours a day 5 days a week is psychologically draining, and next to impossible if you have a family and your job is not in the fitness industry
Exactly, most real gym bros don't have busy lives. They do some things and some hobbies but yeah. More than 10 hours in a gym a week is crazy to me. I do maybe 6 on a busier week. A good about 5. I'm strong af for my weight and not entering competition, train like a fighter. We don't do splits. Full body every session and I found hit works better now especially with me lifting heavier. The 1 set is a bit exaggerated. But stimulate and leave is the right point. Imight do 5 sets of bench and 2 Flys. Some dips. 4 biceps , 4 leg press or squats. 3 leg curls. 2 hip abduction and induction each, leg lifts for abs and I'm out. All done in 2 hours. And won't return for 3 or 4 days and repeat
It also causes fatigue over time. Over-training is a very real concern.
Mike had one of the greatest physiques ever. His program works.
@Mantastic-ho3vmis that why Mike got a perfect score of 300 in Mr Universe? 😂
Used to go 6 days a week for years. Now going 2-3 times a week for 45 minutes at a time and im getting more gains then ever.
Dorian Yates entered the chat. But seriously, they didn’t really only do one set. The “warm up” sets prior to the all out set were most people’s working sets.
Dorian Yates warmup is about 10,000x harder than most people train in their whole lives
That’s not helpful to compare like that. “Warm up” set is still a warm up set for Yates even though he lifts more than us. Same way my 1 rep max is still my max even though it’s less than Yates warm up.
Yes but for dorian those warm up sets were still only like 50% and 70%. Just because they are heavy for 99% of people dosent mean they are heavy for everyone
@@christopherrichards3290I’m not saying it’s optimal but it’s not about the weight. If you watch blood and guts his “warm ups” still had him screaming in pain. Dr Mike says a working set is like 3 reps in reserve which is about what Dorian was doing in his warmups. He just called them warmups because they weren’t to failure.
Whatever, do what you want.... I like Mike Mentzer and his philosophy.
That's fine, but every time one of his videos pops up the comments are filled with "I made the most muscle in my entire life in 3 seconds" type comments. It's spreading misinformation and the appropriate response isn't just.. ah whatever i like him
Not the point. He was wrong and lied. He did multiple sets, he just didn't include his "warm up" set. His philosophy if you include his warm ups as a set, is perfect.
So what I’ve noticed with arms is, if I go super high volume, they just end up flat and depleted for a number of days after. But if I do like Mentzer said, and train them very intensely for less time, and rest 72 hours before my next workout, they get bigger!
The only problem is that Mentzer's customers are proving him right.
Mentzer’s philosophy is better for people who aren’t on gear and/or don’t just want to spin their wheels lifting weights.
Yup, all about healing time. You can heal so much faster on the hot sauce.
Opposite, maybe better for horrendous genetics. I'm 37, my split is legs/chest/back/arms.. at least 15 working sets, maybe 1 day off a month, if that. I get just sore enough to know what I did the day before.. and my lifts and physique, you would just think I'm lying if I said what they were. I'm well past 'Natural max potential' per YT influencers in every metric. The thing is no one can feel another person's physical potential, so most will never accept the truth. Look at how some dudes can just run like 5× faster or jump way higher. It's all genetics, the rest is secondary. I used to think I was out working all the dudes I'd see my size who could barely press 225.. but its just their test levels are low..
Quite the opposite to be honest, compare the natty guys following conventional program vs Mike mentzers he’s going to get destroyed.
Not at all. I train high Intensity and ot works wonders. Im 37, lifetime natty. Never going back to high volume bs@@user-gv9my3jy4b
@Mantastic-ho3vm no, it's for people who don't waste time
People who do more sets every day take steroids
I walk in the gym head to the showers and don’t even lift I get enough *gains* from the shower with other jocks straps , I don’t even do sets and still gain
What about Dorian then ? An actual champion not a failed 50 year old UA-cam juicer
😂
Dorian juiced mind out, and trained so hard he ended his career.
You don’t need to bust your body to make it grow. Lift for resistance and you could train in the 20-30 rep range with just a burn the last 4 reps, sleep 10 hrs a night, eat good, have a dialled in endocrine regiment/supplement and you will grow like a weed.
@@bathtubrenewevery great body builder ever did that buddy
Jay Cutler didn't train like an idiot and still win Mr Olympia
@@bathtubrenewDorian only ever had 3 injuries and every single one of them came within 6 weeks of a show. He’s always said that he only regrets pushing too hard and trying to progress while cutting.
I prefer it, only because I have to train less. Feel like I get 70% off the gains and spend 50% less time in the gym
Yea the best workout program is one u can stick to for most people that isn’t 2 hours a day 6 days a week
@@kadenlogan6589 I do mike newer program that has 2x the sets, not the 1 set per once a month
Yeah man I have a life
you will make a good chunk of the gains you can with quite low volume and good intensity
You will make gains if you workout. It's that simple.
It’s not about sets, it’s about low volume, high intensity and extended periods of recovery between workouts.
He failed to mentioned the intensity of a set Mike preaches. He’s stated “people live on the notion more is better.” Yea people will do more sets but only cause they aren’t truly pushing to failure which is why they can do multiple sets.
Yeah. Besides, a contemporary of Dr. Mike, Joe Bennett, follows a similar style of training. He does use warm up sets but he mostly has his trainees do one working set, sometimes two, and he rarely, if ever, exeeds that.
And guess what, Joe Bennett is Terrence Ruffin's trainer.
We don't even need to speculate on whether Terrence actually trains like that because there are tons of videos on Terrence's channel and the Hypertrophy Coach channel on youtube showing full training sessions where Terrence does that.
Joe himself has even stated on a few occasions that Terrence does in fact only train with one working set for most exercises.
The type of failure that is so crucial to Mike Mentzer’s philosophy cannot be reached by most people, that includes people in these studies. It takes a unique drive for the program to work as intended, as opposed to the standard higher volume regimens.
Well said
And you just made an argument for why people shouldn't follow this type of training. The studies are wrong because people aren't able to train like intended. That's a nice "get out of jail free card" and a massive problem when recommending it to most people (95 % as one commenter said).
It's like "sigma male" being "the rarest type of male", so now everybody is a "sigma male".
@@mongol62 try 60% max, nobody does 95%
@@MyGreeed 95 % of people should train "HIT".
@@mongol62 lol how many do? 0.01%?