The greatest music original ever made was the App for Bjorks Album 'Biophilia'. I still have a working version. It was called the future of unbreakable DRM and, in fact, it was NEVER broken. It was also interactive and quite beautiful. Each song had it's own interactive App/Game and you could mix each song within the Apps....all held within the Biophilia App itself.
Music sounds amazing in 5.1, really does. Almost nothing is ever mixed for surround sound though, you know why? Lack of consumer interest. In a world where a lot of people listen to music through their phone or laptop, often with crappy speakers or earphones, there's no demand. This device strikes me as much the same - it's a solution looking for a problem too, in some respects. It won't take off - it's too niche.
@@FlameOnTheBeat truthfully i have a record player and i only play my records at my house on my single device. so its no different from a vinyl in that respect. and if it gives a unique sound in the way analog sounds off a vinyl then i completely understand the mission. and if you are dying to listen somewhere else the device is still smaller and less delicate than a record, so just take it with you.
It's a 20 dollar toy that if it was sold for that price it would be a fun novelty but at 200 it's just an egomaniac way to scam his fans out of a lot of money.
People keep forgetting you dont just get the album for 200, you get a piece of technology. The AI in it, even if it's not perfect, is so advanced that honestly 200 isnt even that bad. A decent regular speaker already costs 200. Plus, it's the artists job to put a price on their art, so how does that make Kanye a scammer or an egomaniac lol? If you don't want to buy no one is forcing you to
Props to Matt for calling out Austin on this. He was somehwat acting like $200 wasn't a significant amount of money. It ABSOLUTELY is to a lot of people.
Broke Boys...$200 is NOT a lot of money! especially if youre talking the target audience for this product. Music equipment gets MUCH MORE expensive. clearly this product isnt for the everyday person, its for someone who wants to dissect their music.
@@Mrtonio1596 it’s a lot, but it’s Yeezy tech it’s not going to be cheap nothing Yeezys is cheap it’s unique and different it’s more like a collectible
@@dondadabih1389 okay, go buy the most expensive non-essential items you can find and don't dare complain about the price. This is unbelievably fucking stupid and anyone that actually buys this deserves to get ripped off. His music is shit anyway
If Kanye's music wasnt on it I would still buy, the tech to isolate stems of any song is crazy especially to have in your pocket rather than opening up a VST. I think kanye's album being on there shouldn't be the focus of the hardware but the functionality of the stem play and the experience it brings to music producers or even regular listeners.
I agree. This is far beyond the impact that this would have on music sales. This is a conversation about TECH! How often can you break music up to different parts on the fly without having to do extra work! It’s awesome. I’m insanely intrigued off of that alone.
I would never buy a kanye album myself but when no one buys this device to play his music, he will release it elsewhere. I actually hope he does keep it exclusive to this device. I would be impressed by the resolve.
@@zazaza1000 well, good for them. I don't like to see people fail. It does surprise me though. It is just one of those things that I don't get. Not the first time I have been in the minority. lol
At this point. He's already made more than a major artist going platinum in 24 hours. He made over 2 million dollars off of it in 24 hours and let's say its 50 50(being very Conservative for profits) split for profit. A platinum album normally makes 10 million and the artist will recoup 10 to 18 percent of that money. Then taxed on the amount of money the label put into the album marketing and recording.
This feels like something that you would buy at a store like Sharper Image, or get as a prize in a school brochure fundraising campaign. Personally, I always stopped using those things or they would simply break.
to me it’s very interesting how this device has changed. kanye has used a version of this device for years now - the first version not for sale was made in collaboration with Teenage Engineering. he used it in shows and listening parties to basically mix the show live. so for a while it was framed as a device for artists and producers to use for live performances or short sessions. and in that sense it was very cool and very much not a gimmick. since then it’s been redesigned to fit into the Yeezy hypebeast type of aesthetic and is now basically a platform for superfans to get access to his music. it comes across as way more of a gimmick now than it used to.
Am I the only one that caught how the only way to put new music onto this thing is to use a website? So once their servers go down, this becomes a fleshy paperweight which will be locked to whatever music happens to be on it. At the least, this should have an offline app for sideloading, even if you don't get the fancy track-splitting. (But I doubt it'll happen.)
If I'm not mistaken you can input your own stems. For an artist this device is super cool and convenient to make tracks on the go or to play with tunes without having your full station in front of you.
I’ve had one since launch and I take it everywhere. I just record samples on it and quite literally play with my music. It’s so fun. I went to a party over the weekend, I connected to the speaker and I just mixed songs live. This isn’t as gimmicky as they said in the video. It isn’t for everyone, but nothing is. Kanye specifically designed the tool he wished existed for his entire career. Instead of waiting, he went out and did it himself
@@breezie3116 it works better for the songs specifically optimized for it (such as the ones from Donda, Donda 2, Jesus is King, all of which come with it), but it works with any song. If you have music split up into stems already, it’ll work like the optimized songs if split properly. You can also just load mp3s on it. If you don’t have mp3s, you can use a UA-cam link on the website and an AI will split the music, but results vary if you use that method.
>the artist owns their music top to bottom >I don't see how this couldn't be an app Well, because of the first point and the 30% cut that apple/google would take. I felt the need to point that out.
Finally a UA-camr talking about the fact that these $200 price points for this that and the other are actually very expensive for the normal individual who can not justify spending that much money considering they won't be generating any money back from them.
Im so tired of this stupid logic. I bet you have a phone that’s worth more than this. a computer, etc. I bet you spend money like a moron everyday on things that bring you zero return. if you can’t save $200 then you don’t need to have it. if you can’t figure out how to use it to generate income online, then you don’t need to have it. just because YOU can’t afford it doesn’t mean it’s not affordable. it’s $200. if it’s hard to save $200 then you don’t want it bad enough. stop expecting everything to just be handed to you Yeezy is a billon dollar brand tf you think this is
@@cryosteam3944 a phone and computer will give you much more back in terms of connectivity, knowledge and entertainment than whatever the fuck this is. Get out of here with your rich kid bullshit
From the time I heard about it I said "should have been an app". But yeah, at this point Kanye is more of a merch salesman than a musician. And his fans are absolutely the kind of people who need to be seen with everything he sells. I've seen a lot of hip hop threads with people comparing it to the iPod and trying to justify its price because it's 'groundbreaking tech', which it isn't. It's only got 8gb of non expandable storage and all of the 'stem splitting' is done via the cloud. So it's just a cheap music player with barely any storage. I also hear with the file sizes for his flac stems you won't be able to fit both Donda and Donda 2 on it at the same time.
@@thehogrider1574 my mind doesn't work that way. If I was as popular an artist as Kanye and already worth a billion dollars I'd probably give it away for free on my website. Short of that I'd just sell the album there, as a download, for a normal price (which would still massively benefit him by cutting out the record label).
STFU geezer, it's obviously implied that in recent history, with the advent of new tech there hasn't been physical walls. Stop taking things too seriously.
CD players, MP3 players, the entire iPod lineup... I'm gen z and i can thoroughly remember using all of these. In fact I have about 30 iPods because they're unbelievably interesting and I like having my music on one space, without having to be tethered to the Internet all the time.
Its an website that allows u to play Kanye songs for free on a stem player on a website PLUS its an feature on the Nintendo DS that allows u to play a instrumental version
LMAOOO guy is slow 😂. As if just because it isn’t a physical pay wall makes it any better. Already he doesn’t have cheapen his music for cents per stream while tech giants make billions
Uhh That's not what a paywall is, a physical media player is a medium for all music to be played and stored, for something to be designed specifically to make you $$$ is considered a paywall. When you have to buy a character in a game and can't earn it naturally through gaming. That is a paywall. This device was designed specifically for you to be forced to use it to get the song.
Talking about it as an "interesting platform". Theres a reason its so hard to get stems for songs, because I dont want someone to have the individual components of my track so they can remix it, you gotta pay me to do that. And the listener wanting to "listen to their music the way they want it", my tracks are mixed in the way that I wanted it, its my song, it just seems weird to me that someone would really wanna turn the drums down on their favorite song, its your favorite cuz the artist made it that way and they want you to hear it that way. You wouldnt remove the entire red color channel from an anime because thats the way you prefer it right? (To be clear im not pissed about this, I just think the whole concept is silly)
This is by far the best comment I’ve seen so far. I make music personally myself, and you got it spot on. I don’t want people randomly taking sounds out of my music because they “prefer it” that way. Like bruh if you don’t like the music the way that it was created to sound, listen to someone else. It’s the most gimmicky device I’ve ever seen, and the artists vision should come first. Not “I wanna take out the synths because I like it more”.
@@enlistenmusic1719 bruh thats the dumbest thing thats like saying no my lyrics mean this your way is wrong like the whole point of music is expression remixes are such an important part of music especialy electronic music is your old ass gonna yell at someone if they remix your song
@@zanecallisto4169 First off lol, I’m actually on the younger side so don’t be calling me old lmao. Second, it’s that small artists like myself are the type of people who get burned by easy access to stems. It’s not about expression, people can interpret my music however they want. It’s about the vision, and about the permission from the artist to remix songs. I’m not speaking for everyone, but personally I think most artists wouldn’t want a song of theirs remixed with lower quality stems by means of an AI stem splitter. I’d personally wanna give the person remixing the actual full stems, so that they could make the best possible remix. Another thing about it is that is that I do make types of electronic music so I get what you mean by the whole importance of remixing. The thing is, say you make a song. You don’t have a ton of listeners, and someone just randomly remixes it and gets a lot more plays then you. You didn’t even speak with the person remixing, they just did it because they can. That’s the problem with easy access to stems. They shouldn’t just be available like that. You should have to go to the artist, or at least talk to someone about it, especially if you plan on making a proper, high definition remix without any weird noise from stem splitters. And of course I’m not gonna yell at someone for making a remix of my song. If anything I’d be flattered more then upset. It’s the point that this somewhat ruins the actual exclusivity of remixes. Anyone can technically do it with an stem splitter, which means why would someone ever pay you money to get all of your stems, unless they’re a professional. That’s the entire point of why this is a problem. It’s like if exclusive games could have all the code and assets leaked simply through an AI. It’s not good for the creators, and the consumer who receives the remixes gets a less polished product, instead of the artists vision.
@@enlistenmusic1719 I'm a producer aswell i couldn't give two shits with what someone does with my music for the simple fact that music should be interactive you don't like my snare you should be able to change it don't like the synths turn them down copyright exists to protect the music giving the general music loving public access to being able to make the music personal to them is fine you own the music and the copyright so who cares let them experiment
I think the "I'm too poor to listen to your music" angle doesn't fly. As a poor person, I can tell you, they'll find a way to listen to the album if they want to and not for 200 bucks 😂. I think the gadget is interesting for what you can do with the rest of your music with it. And again at some point people will get the Stem player and again not for 200 bucks 😂.
The 'demo' of the player doesn't cover a lot of the functionality available (looping, effects etc), its not just turning the volume on tracks up and down....
i would totally buy that for 50 bucks not even to listen to donda 2 i don’t really care about it but the device is neat and i like the idea of leaving spotify. but 200 is too much and his message is probably stifled because it is behind a 200 dollar paywall
considering that apple sells headphones for $500+ and smart speakers go for $199+, $200 is solid. People once said 150 for airpods was too much but now will spend it over and over to replace a lost pair.
I agree with matt 200 is steep af and maybe the best thing to do would be to release the album on spotify with a few exclusive tracks only available with this stem player it's an interesting idea to have channel stems to play about with ... very interesting hope it catches on ... hear some acapellas etc v nice
The reason for STEMS is so he can. Collect 4 royalties stack on one track so this is why the site splits otbeach part is uploaded and each part collects when isolated it's just a monitization money move we use stems in DJing
They bypassed the whole point that he's making by doing this.. like Kanye said, artists only get 14% of the money generated on streaming services while the streaming services are pocketing 86% from their work. He is making more money from his art by doing it this way. Also, Over 70% of a new album's sales are generated in the first 2 weeks. After that, the hype wears off and it starts to sell as much as everything else on the market. This is why albums that originally had exclusive deals are then placed on all platforms because the exclusive platform has already accumulated the bulk of the revenue.
Since cellphones don't work anywhere near me, so much so that we still run at 3g. No apps unless I'm home and use wifi calling only. My phone is dead unless I go 30 miles from my house
I don’t watch this channel. But the discussion on the societal and economical effects of this products really intrigued me. It’s more than tech and I love it.
I'm not a Kanye fan but I don't think they understand what his point was, they're complaining about it being an overpriced device but you're not buying a device you're buying an album, the device is not the product it's the music and the interaction with it, granted you could do that in an app but he's not trying to sell an app he's trying to sell an album in the most unique way possible. Yeah canvas and paint isn't that expensive but just because the material value isn't high doesn't mean that the artistic value isn't.
I think you're forgetting about the other physical pay walls that have existed all along, for example the MP3 player when it first came out, all the music on it was only available to MP3 or we can go older pre-streaming era, to CD's they were a physcial pay wall, you had to not only buy the tracks (CD's) to be able to listen to them, you had to buy the hardware to play said cd's it has always been the way things are, new products come out and create a new pay wall.
The Stem player is not only home to Donda 2. Donda Deluxe and Jesus Is King are also included on the player via the platform free of charge with tweaks and updates to songs every now and then.Those albums account for almost 1/4 of the price and it provides fans with intimate access into his creative process. If Ye releases more music or other artists submit stems to the platform as well the player will eventually pay for itself. Thile stem player also samples and contains exporting options making it a studio tool as well. Donda 2 isn’t the end goal for the stem player as a corresponding app is in development. This is going to be a fully immersive experience when it’s all said and done. I disagree with the “too poor” statement as the majority of people pay way more for the device they listen to Spotify on and with. Consoles do this all the time only to charge users a monthly fee to take advantage of all the features in addition to game prices, yet no one accuses Microsoft or Sony of being insensitive to people’s budgets. The resale value of the Stem Player has always been good and it’s a cool way to connect fans with Ye’s art.
If it was more than Kayne and the built in speakers where better or it was cheaper I think it would be a cool idea. As a musician myself having the stems would be great for hearing each part and knowing what is actually going on. It really needs to be far more than just Kayne. With all do respect his stuff isn't that complicated to really need the separation of each instrument.
i think personally as someone who loves music I would buy this (not for the price it is now) just so I could listen to all the songs I have ever listened to in a new light. I could listen to so many songs with just the vocals in it and I just think it’s a nifty gadget
This is for Ye fans like me who also make music. It's a designer product end of day like Gucci. I bought it and it's kind of like a fidget spinner for artist and music lovers. Also it pretty much places you in Ye's "Beta Tester" program for his music where you will be the first to listen to the update of the Donda 2 songs which are not finished. The discord alerts yoyu when an update to a song is out and i believe once the full album is complete that is when he will release it everywhere else. Mind you i make 50k a year and have no kids/wife whilst living in the midwest so my buying situation is vastly different.
100 gecs did a free stem release of their remix album. They didn't care about money. But the man who could buy anything he wants had to start arguing pay rates?
i wonder if kanye will really stay true to his word about not dropping it on music services. he said he’d never ever ever ever drop TLOP on apple music. yet here we are with TLOP and 4 albums being sold on apple music after he said he wouldn’t do that. i do hope he fully and truly releases the album
Whats worst? the stem player that anybody can buy for $200 or "once upon a time in shaolin " a single copy by the wu that was sold for millions to Martin shkreli and has a 88 year clause?
Everyone hated Spotify when they said taking longer than 2 years to work ok an album will hurt the artist financially, now that Kanye is trying to change that he’s getting hate?
I love the debate, but other systems have been doing hardware locks for years, and IMO this is just an artist looking at how they can copy existing systems for their profit. Apple is notorious for this, like preventing device use unless you first pair it to an iPhone, or preventing you from developing ios if you only own an iPhone and not a Mac.
I really think an app would have been better ... And I think Drake should definitely have an OvO app; exclusive music, radio, interviews, concert tickets sales, merchandise, all types of content on his own app... It would work
He can just sell his album via his website. He doesn’t need to put it on apple, Spotify, etc but he does need to take into account his fans want his music. Yezus’ CD was made to resemble the prison cassette tapes so he fucking knows some of his fans are some of the poorest people but he chose to release it on a $200 device. I fully get that he wants full control and as you said that’s admirable, a lot of artists are taken advantage of by record labels, streaming services, etc but he CHOSE that price point, he could afford to manufacture his own CDs, make his own app or just sell his album directly but instead he would rather use his music as a tool to promote a niche device that he makes bank on rather than allow his art to be art. Not even mentioning using his dead mothers name for this get richer quick scheme… It’s really sad to see, I know the whole you forgot where you came from can be applied to pretty much every rapper but Kanye has become the epitome of that. Not only has he sold out his music to make even more money but he’s forgot about his fans.
There literally is a thing where you can have too many options andyou spend more timelooking for a song than listening. I kinda miss the days of only 1 album in my pocket and just playing on repeat. I still remember all the lyrics to most of those albums. Maybe there is such a thing as too much decadence.
What’s wrong with music artist putting a price on their own art? Painters in the same caliber as Ye have paintings that cost 100s of thousands of dollars.
The dude on the left doesn't make sense with his arguments. He keeps saying "if apple did this it would be a bad precedent" but he's missing the point of kanye trying to provide a path in the future for new artists to own their music.
We have had physical paywalls for music. before tech gave us the option to listen to things digitally ppl had to buy physical copies of cd’s, tapes. vinyls etc. now they weren’t $200 😂😂😂 but still
This album will be exclusively downloaded onto my phone when it leaks.
i would never do this
and tell everyone about it
it’s already leaked lmao
@@alexanderescobar6323 No it hasn't
@@Dylan-zm3ht some of the songs have
@@Dylan-zm3ht it has its already on Reddit
The greatest music original ever made was the App for Bjorks Album 'Biophilia'. I still have a working version. It was called the future of unbreakable DRM and, in fact, it was NEVER broken. It was also interactive and quite beautiful. Each song had it's own interactive App/Game and you could mix each song within the Apps....all held within the Biophilia App itself.
Music sounds amazing in 5.1, really does. Almost nothing is ever mixed for surround sound though, you know why? Lack of consumer interest. In a world where a lot of people listen to music through their phone or laptop, often with crappy speakers or earphones, there's no demand.
This device strikes me as much the same - it's a solution looking for a problem too, in some respects. It won't take off - it's too niche.
did yall forget about CDs tapes and vinyls
@@FlameOnTheBeat truthfully i have a record player and i only play my records at my house on my single device. so its no different from a vinyl in that respect. and if it gives a unique sound in the way analog sounds off a vinyl then i completely understand the mission. and if you are dying to listen somewhere else the device is still smaller and less delicate than a record, so just take it with you.
Matt killed it in this video I couldn’t agree more 👏🏾
It's a 20 dollar toy that if it was sold for that price it would be a fun novelty but at 200 it's just an egomaniac way to scam his fans out of a lot of money.
This.
If you find that 20$ toy send me the link
People keep forgetting you dont just get the album for 200, you get a piece of technology. The AI in it, even if it's not perfect, is so advanced that honestly 200 isnt even that bad. A decent regular speaker already costs 200. Plus, it's the artists job to put a price on their art, so how does that make Kanye a scammer or an egomaniac lol? If you don't want to buy no one is forcing you to
@@AhmedMahmoud-fb1ug if you can load other music into it too, the price seems fair enough
Can you send me a link where it’s $20
Getting stems from full tracks is like almost impossible the actual tech behind the stem player is quite impressive
This guy gets it!
The Stem Player is such a huge step in making that tech mainstream!
It's been a thing in the DJ world for a while now 😂. This is nothing new.
@@TheDJSimonR yeah stems aren't a new thing no shit but having it done with ai without a daw or program in a small package costing $200 is new
@@zanecallisto4169 why would you pay $200 for something that an app can do though?
“This is the first time we’ve had a physical paywall for music”
Ummmm… I grew up in the 90s
That’s all I’m thinking the fat dude is so bothered that he won’t be able to fit all his music in his pocket.
As a musician that likes to sample music this thing is gold.
Lol you can sample with out the way kanye does
@@fadibokinno3465 not if you want just the vocals or beat or just the music. This makes it so much easier
Props to Matt for calling out Austin on this. He was somehwat acting like $200 wasn't a significant amount of money. It ABSOLUTELY is to a lot of people.
Broke Boys...$200 is NOT a lot of money! especially if youre talking the target audience for this product. Music equipment gets MUCH MORE expensive. clearly this product isnt for the everyday person, its for someone who wants to dissect their music.
@@Mrtonio1596 its a toy, not an instrument or musical tool.
@@Mrtonio1596 it’s a lot, but it’s Yeezy tech it’s not going to be cheap nothing Yeezys is cheap it’s unique and different it’s more like a collectible
Then don’t buy it? I don’t understand complaining about the price point of nonessential items…
@@dondadabih1389 okay, go buy the most expensive non-essential items you can find and don't dare complain about the price.
This is unbelievably fucking stupid and anyone that actually buys this deserves to get ripped off. His music is shit anyway
If Kanye's music wasnt on it I would still buy, the tech to isolate stems of any song is crazy especially to have in your pocket rather than opening up a VST. I think kanye's album being on there shouldn't be the focus of the hardware but the functionality of the stem play and the experience it brings to music producers or even regular listeners.
I agree. This is far beyond the impact that this would have on music sales. This is a conversation about TECH! How often can you break music up to different parts on the fly without having to do extra work! It’s awesome. I’m insanely intrigued off of that alone.
I would never buy a kanye album myself but when no one buys this device to play his music, he will release it elsewhere. I actually hope he does keep it exclusive to this device. I would be impressed by the resolve.
@@zazaza1000 well, good for them. I don't like to see people fail. It does surprise me though. It is just one of those things that I don't get. Not the first time I have been in the minority. lol
At this point. He's already made more than a major artist going platinum in 24 hours. He made over 2 million dollars off of it in 24 hours and let's say its 50 50(being very Conservative for profits) split for profit. A platinum album normally makes 10 million and the artist will recoup 10 to 18 percent of that money. Then taxed on the amount of money the label put into the album marketing and recording.
Hes not gonna release it on streaming services at this point.
Back it my day we called them CDs
CDs didn't cost $200 each though
@@Mireaze some did
Lol watching a This Is video on the stem player is as far as this one goes for me. Fun video as always though.
This feels like something that you would buy at a store like Sharper Image, or get as a prize in a school brochure fundraising campaign. Personally, I always stopped using those things or they would simply break.
to me it’s very interesting how this device has changed. kanye has used a version of this device for years now - the first version not for sale was made in collaboration with Teenage Engineering. he used it in shows and listening parties to basically mix the show live. so for a while it was framed as a device for artists and producers to use for live performances or short sessions. and in that sense it was very cool and very much not a gimmick. since then it’s been redesigned to fit into the Yeezy hypebeast type of aesthetic and is now basically a platform for superfans to get access to his music. it comes across as way more of a gimmick now than it used to.
Am I the only one that caught how the only way to put new music onto this thing is to use a website? So once their servers go down, this becomes a fleshy paperweight which will be locked to whatever music happens to be on it. At the least, this should have an offline app for sideloading, even if you don't get the fancy track-splitting. (But I doubt it'll happen.)
If I'm not mistaken you can input your own stems. For an artist this device is super cool and convenient to make tracks on the go or to play with tunes without having your full station in front of you.
This could be so helpful for mixing. Like imagine being able to isolate vocals to any reference song you can imagine and match that mix
I’ve had one since launch and I take it everywhere. I just record samples on it and quite literally play with my music. It’s so fun. I went to a party over the weekend, I connected to the speaker and I just mixed songs live. This isn’t as gimmicky as they said in the video. It isn’t for everyone, but nothing is. Kanye specifically designed the tool he wished existed for his entire career. Instead of waiting, he went out and did it himself
@@JBomb692 does it work for just specific songs? Or would it be able to separate the stems for anything you throw at it
@@breezie3116 it works better for the songs specifically optimized for it (such as the ones from Donda, Donda 2, Jesus is King, all of which come with it), but it works with any song. If you have music split up into stems already, it’ll work like the optimized songs if split properly. You can also just load mp3s on it. If you don’t have mp3s, you can use a UA-cam link on the website and an AI will split the music, but results vary if you use that method.
>the artist owns their music top to bottom
>I don't see how this couldn't be an app
Well, because of the first point and the 30% cut that apple/google would take. I felt the need to point that out.
Finally a UA-camr talking about the fact that these $200 price points for this that and the other are actually very expensive for the normal individual who can not justify spending that much money considering they won't be generating any money back from them.
Im so tired of this stupid logic. I bet you have a phone that’s worth more than this. a computer, etc. I bet you spend money like a moron everyday on things that bring you zero return. if you can’t save $200 then you don’t need to have it. if you can’t figure out how to use it to generate income online, then you don’t need to have it. just because YOU can’t afford it doesn’t mean it’s not affordable. it’s $200. if it’s hard to save $200 then you don’t want it bad enough. stop expecting everything to just be handed to you Yeezy is a billon dollar brand tf you think this is
Those people shouldn’t be on youtube, or the internet for that matter, so I doubt they’d know anything about a stem player.
@@cryosteam3944 someone has had a horrific day 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I hope you feel better you're loved 🌹
@@TshepoMotaungreallife if you’re broke and uneducated just say that
@@cryosteam3944 a phone and computer will give you much more back in terms of connectivity, knowledge and entertainment than whatever the fuck this is. Get out of here with your rich kid bullshit
From the time I heard about it I said "should have been an app". But yeah, at this point Kanye is more of a merch salesman than a musician. And his fans are absolutely the kind of people who need to be seen with everything he sells. I've seen a lot of hip hop threads with people comparing it to the iPod and trying to justify its price because it's 'groundbreaking tech', which it isn't. It's only got 8gb of non expandable storage and all of the 'stem splitting' is done via the cloud. So it's just a cheap music player with barely any storage. I also hear with the file sizes for his flac stems you won't be able to fit both Donda and Donda 2 on it at the same time.
your saying if you weren't in Kanye's position you wouldn't make it overpriced? its just business
Most Kanye fans are angry that its 200$ and that its where the album is going to be released
@@samdixon5496 check out r/StemPlayer
@@thehogrider1574 my mind doesn't work that way. If I was as popular an artist as Kanye and already worth a billion dollars I'd probably give it away for free on my website. Short of that I'd just sell the album there, as a download, for a normal price (which would still massively benefit him by cutting out the record label).
Check of /r Kanye or /r westsubever ya know the proper subs
'We've never had a physical paywall before when it comes to music' This new generation really doesnt have a clue
STFU geezer, it's obviously implied that in recent history, with the advent of new tech there hasn't been physical walls. Stop taking things too seriously.
CD players, MP3 players, the entire iPod lineup...
I'm gen z and i can thoroughly remember using all of these. In fact I have about 30 iPods because they're unbelievably interesting and I like having my music on one space, without having to be tethered to the Internet all the time.
Its an website that allows u to play Kanye songs for free on a stem player on a website PLUS its an feature on the Nintendo DS that allows u to play a instrumental version
"We've never had a physical paywall for music" forgets physical media 😂
Let’s just look over CDs Records lmfao
This guy is spewing the most nonsense
LMAOOO guy is slow 😂. As if just because it isn’t a physical pay wall makes it any better. Already he doesn’t have cheapen his music for cents per stream while tech giants make billions
Uhh That's not what a paywall is, a physical media player is a medium for all music to be played and stored, for something to be designed specifically to make you $$$ is considered a paywall. When you have to buy a character in a game and can't earn it naturally through gaming. That is a paywall. This device was designed specifically for you to be forced to use it to get the song.
Its called a CD bruh
Talking about it as an "interesting platform". Theres a reason its so hard to get stems for songs, because I dont want someone to have the individual components of my track so they can remix it, you gotta pay me to do that. And the listener wanting to "listen to their music the way they want it", my tracks are mixed in the way that I wanted it, its my song, it just seems weird to me that someone would really wanna turn the drums down on their favorite song, its your favorite cuz the artist made it that way and they want you to hear it that way. You wouldnt remove the entire red color channel from an anime because thats the way you prefer it right? (To be clear im not pissed about this, I just think the whole concept is silly)
This is by far the best comment I’ve seen so far. I make music personally myself, and you got it spot on. I don’t want people randomly taking sounds out of my music because they “prefer it” that way. Like bruh if you don’t like the music the way that it was created to sound, listen to someone else. It’s the most gimmicky device I’ve ever seen, and the artists vision should come first. Not “I wanna take out the synths because I like it more”.
@@enlistenmusic1719 bruh thats the dumbest thing thats like saying no my lyrics mean this your way is wrong like the whole point of music is expression remixes are such an important part of music especialy electronic music is your old ass gonna yell at someone if they remix your song
@@zanecallisto4169 First off lol, I’m actually on the younger side so don’t be calling me old lmao. Second, it’s that small artists like myself are the type of people who get burned by easy access to stems. It’s not about expression, people can interpret my music however they want. It’s about the vision, and about the permission from the artist to remix songs. I’m not speaking for everyone, but personally I think most artists wouldn’t want a song of theirs remixed with lower quality stems by means of an AI stem splitter. I’d personally wanna give the person remixing the actual full stems, so that they could make the best possible remix.
Another thing about it is that is that I do make types of electronic music so I get what you mean by the whole importance of remixing. The thing is, say you make a song. You don’t have a ton of listeners, and someone just randomly remixes it and gets a lot more plays then you. You didn’t even speak with the person remixing, they just did it because they can. That’s the problem with easy access to stems. They shouldn’t just be available like that. You should have to go to the artist, or at least talk to someone about it, especially if you plan on making a proper, high definition remix without any weird noise from stem splitters.
And of course I’m not gonna yell at someone for making a remix of my song. If anything I’d be flattered more then upset. It’s the point that this somewhat ruins the actual exclusivity of remixes. Anyone can technically do it with an stem splitter, which means why would someone ever pay you money to get all of your stems, unless they’re a professional. That’s the entire point of why this is a problem. It’s like if exclusive games could have all the code and assets leaked simply through an AI. It’s not good for the creators, and the consumer who receives the remixes gets a less polished product, instead of the artists vision.
@@enlistenmusic1719 I'm a producer aswell i couldn't give two shits with what someone does with my music for the simple fact that music should be interactive you don't like my snare you should be able to change it don't like the synths turn them down copyright exists to protect the music giving the general music loving public access to being able to make the music personal to them is fine you own the music and the copyright so who cares let them experiment
I think the "I'm too poor to listen to your music" angle doesn't fly. As a poor person, I can tell you, they'll find a way to listen to the album if they want to and not for 200 bucks 😂. I think the gadget is interesting for what you can do with the rest of your music with it. And again at some point people will get the Stem player and again not for 200 bucks 😂.
The 'demo' of the player doesn't cover a lot of the functionality available (looping, effects etc), its not just turning the volume on tracks up and down....
So basically Kaynes way at getting back at people not buying music anymore... $200 for his album. This is the next Zune
i would totally buy that for 50 bucks not even to listen to donda 2 i don’t really care about it but the device is neat and i like the idea of leaving spotify. but 200 is too much and his message is probably stifled because it is behind a 200 dollar paywall
considering that apple sells headphones for $500+ and smart speakers go for $199+, $200 is solid. People once said 150 for airpods was too much but now will spend it over and over to replace a lost pair.
POV you just bought it today and are watching this because you're excited
I agree with matt 200 is steep af and maybe the best thing to do would be to release the album on spotify with a few exclusive tracks only available with this stem player it's an interesting idea to have channel stems to play about with ... very interesting hope it catches on ... hear some acapellas etc v nice
The reason for STEMS is so he can. Collect 4 royalties stack on one track so this is why the site splits otbeach part is uploaded and each part collects when isolated it's just a monitization money move we use stems in DJing
kanye is a genius
Kanye west , using modern technology to take us way back
Used to be that the only way was to buy physical media to listen to music: cd,tape,8track, and records.
Wow this makes me feel like Martin Shkreli
Ye: “buy my album for $200”
Internet: *searching the whole world for leaks on Donda 2*
Okay after seeing it i think its actually pretty cool that it will try to split any song
They bypassed the whole point that he's making by doing this.. like Kanye said, artists only get 14% of the money generated on streaming services while the streaming services are pocketing 86% from their work. He is making more money from his art by doing it this way. Also, Over 70% of a new album's sales are generated in the first 2 weeks. After that, the hype wears off and it starts to sell as much as everything else on the market. This is why albums that originally had exclusive deals are then placed on all platforms because the exclusive platform has already accumulated the bulk of the revenue.
- Guess who's going to jail tonight?
- You with that tone😂
This just seems like a fancy mixer
Watch Donda 2 release to other platforms in 2-3months once that 12% doesn’t matter..
Since cellphones don't work anywhere near me, so much so that we still run at 3g. No apps unless I'm home and use wifi calling only. My phone is dead unless I go 30 miles from my house
two years later and still not released anywhere else, Kanye kept his word
"one billion percent, could be an app" could also just be sold for $25 instead of $200
That Netflix Anna show
“It’s VIP”
“Exclusive”
I imagine Kanye will release Donda 2 on that little device and he will probably start dropping some of his Sunday services on there as well too.
Did we already forget that time iphones came preloaded with U2's new album and everyone hated it?
i mean 60k people bought it in 24 hours
sheesh that's big money within a 24/hr span
@@StromLxrd6 2.5 mill
I don’t watch this channel. But the discussion on the societal and economical effects of this products really intrigued me. It’s more than tech and I love it.
I'm not a Kanye fan but I don't think they understand what his point was, they're complaining about it being an overpriced device but you're not buying a device you're buying an album, the device is not the product it's the music and the interaction with it, granted you could do that in an app but he's not trying to sell an app he's trying to sell an album in the most unique way possible. Yeah canvas and paint isn't that expensive but just because the material value isn't high doesn't mean that the artistic value isn't.
Correct ✅
I think you're forgetting about the other physical pay walls that have existed all along, for example the MP3 player when it first came out, all the music on it was only available to MP3 or we can go older pre-streaming era, to CD's they were a physcial pay wall, you had to not only buy the tracks (CD's) to be able to listen to them, you had to buy the hardware to play said cd's it has always been the way things are, new products come out and create a new pay wall.
The Stem player is not only home to Donda 2. Donda Deluxe and Jesus Is King are also included on the player via the platform free of charge with tweaks and updates to songs every now and then.Those albums account for almost 1/4 of the price and it provides fans with intimate access into his creative process. If Ye releases more music or other artists submit stems to the platform as well the player will eventually pay for itself. Thile
stem player also samples and contains exporting options making it a studio tool as well. Donda 2 isn’t the end goal for the stem player as a corresponding app is in development. This is going to be a fully immersive experience when it’s all said and done. I disagree with the “too poor” statement as the majority of people pay way more for the device they listen to Spotify on and with. Consoles do this all the time only to charge users a monthly fee to take advantage of all the features in addition to game prices, yet no one accuses Microsoft or Sony of being insensitive to people’s budgets. The resale value of the Stem Player has always been good and it’s a cool way to connect fans with Ye’s art.
“We’ve never had a hardware paywall when it comes to music” how about CDs and records?
If it was more than Kayne and the built in speakers where better or it was cheaper I think it would be a cool idea. As a musician myself having the stems would be great for hearing each part and knowing what is actually going on. It really needs to be far more than just Kayne. With all do respect his stuff isn't that complicated to really need the separation of each instrument.
Honestly something like this this thing would be cool for kids learning about music.
There is definitely a class angle here. Good take
I can see hype beast now blasting Kanye wit their Yeezys on wit the stem 😭
I need a louder sound for that $200 speaker no cap
Kanye be making stem "sales"
This precedent would make the music world more like the film world.
This stem player allow many young generation to express themselves and discover their talent as a music artists.
i think personally as someone who loves music I would buy this (not for the price it is now) just so I could listen to all the songs I have ever listened to in a new light. I could listen to so many songs with just the vocals in it and I just think it’s a nifty gadget
This is for Ye fans like me who also make music. It's a designer product end of day like Gucci.
I bought it and it's kind of like a fidget spinner for artist and music lovers. Also it pretty much places you in Ye's "Beta Tester" program for his music where you will be the first to listen to the update of the Donda 2 songs which are not finished. The discord alerts yoyu when an update to a song is out and i believe once the full album is complete that is when he will release it everywhere else.
Mind you i make 50k a year and have no kids/wife whilst living in the midwest so my buying situation is vastly different.
Damn Matt’s just laying down the truth
Cool concept that can be done on an app, but in honest it’s a step backwards in terms of music it’s like CD’s and tapes .
100 gecs did a free stem release of their remix album. They didn't care about money. But the man who could buy anything he wants had to start arguing pay rates?
Nothing can be exclusive, one way or another, someone's gonna reupload something to UA-cam or elsewhere
Donda 2 will be on Piratebay on day 1.... There, free.
Monday to the noon!
I wonder if youtube content ID will still work...
i think this is supposed to be connected to better speakers as well, not just the player
What about CD's and a player? Music started with physical paywalls
i wonder if kanye will really stay true to his word about not dropping it on music services. he said he’d never ever ever ever drop TLOP on apple music. yet here we are with TLOP and 4 albums being sold on apple music after he said he wouldn’t do that. i do hope he fully and truly releases the album
Let’s not forget and the U2 album. It was free but people rebelled and didn’t like it.
It is a random bit of tech That's literally like why does that need to exist
Whats worst?
the stem player that anybody can buy for $200
or "once upon a time in shaolin " a single copy by the wu that was sold for millions to Martin shkreli and has a 88 year clause?
What Lanye is doing is selling an album for about $200
A fancy mp3 player. So 2000 late
He should have done it with an App
Like every track won’t be instantly available to download. Christ, I can probably get it now for free.
Everyone hated Spotify when they said taking longer than 2 years to work ok an album will hurt the artist financially, now that Kanye is trying to change that he’s getting hate?
As an artist getting I really loved it plus loved your guys reaction to it 🤣
Sitting here still using my Zune 30 👌
I love the debate, but other systems have been doing hardware locks for years, and IMO this is just an artist looking at how they can copy existing systems for their profit. Apple is notorious for this, like preventing device use unless you first pair it to an iPhone, or preventing you from developing ios if you only own an iPhone and not a Mac.
Austin's defense of wanting to own every part of what he's built is exactly what web3 and blockchain tech is doing
It rarely works in practice though.
Tf was on his laptop to make him close it like that💀💀
I really think an app would have been better ... And I think Drake should definitely have an OvO app; exclusive music, radio, interviews, concert tickets sales, merchandise, all types of content on his own app... It would work
The switch could also have just been an app.
He can just sell his album via his website. He doesn’t need to put it on apple, Spotify, etc but he does need to take into account his fans want his music. Yezus’ CD was made to resemble the prison cassette tapes so he fucking knows some of his fans are some of the poorest people but he chose to release it on a $200 device.
I fully get that he wants full control and as you said that’s admirable, a lot of artists are taken advantage of by record labels, streaming services, etc but he CHOSE that price point, he could afford to manufacture his own CDs, make his own app or just sell his album directly but instead he would rather use his music as a tool to promote a niche device that he makes bank on rather than allow his art to be art. Not even mentioning using his dead mothers name for this get richer quick scheme…
It’s really sad to see, I know the whole you forgot where you came from can be applied to pretty much every rapper but Kanye has become the epitome of that. Not only has he sold out his music to make even more money but he’s forgot about his fans.
It is an app called Moises, which does the same thing as the stem player, but Worse ofcourse.
I have the same dinosaur from the background
There literally is a thing where you can have too many options andyou spend more timelooking for a song than listening. I kinda miss the days of only 1 album in my pocket and just playing on repeat. I still remember all the lyrics to most of those albums. Maybe there is such a thing as too much decadence.
What if he releases multiple (future) albums exclusively on STEM, is it not similar to buying a CD/Record? (Going off Austins "CD KEY" comment).
Missed marketing opportunity, it should have been The Batshit Crazy Biscuit.
What’s wrong with music artist putting a price on their own art? Painters in the same caliber as Ye have paintings that cost 100s of thousands of dollars.
What are you talking about? Donda is on Spotify
The dude on the left doesn't make sense with his arguments. He keeps saying "if apple did this it would be a bad precedent" but he's missing the point of kanye trying to provide a path in the future for new artists to own their music.
The first physical hardware paywall........ My dude have you ever heard of CD´s or Records?
Based Mattt @7:20
We have had physical paywalls for music. before tech gave us the option to listen to things digitally ppl had to buy physical copies of cd’s, tapes. vinyls etc. now they weren’t $200 😂😂😂 but still