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Actual MGTOW What can we do, it’s their platform and their free to do so. I agree that it’s biased and that they cut scenes on people they don’t agree with, it’s sad but that’s what most media does. Not any different with them.
As usual, you minimize men's experience in MeToo The man is likely going to be arrested, handcuffed, interrogated, have to arrange a lawyer, and the money for it, stress about how his life is going to unfold, and endure the stress of a pending case over months and years. All while society will see him as a predator. While the victim will give her statement, likely get emotional support through it, and likely feel some sense of virtue as she gets attention and pity. And if he gets convicted.. well, then things go really bad. Compare that to the "victim's" experience, even including the most common "sexual assault", in which it's likely a date situation and the woman was unhappy with some aspect of her experience. Who do you think has it worse? Would you rather go on a romantic date that was disappointing, or have 3-10 years of your life upended?
Exactly! I totally don't agree with the believe all women. That's a ridiculous statement. You don't have to believe or not believe. It's called with holding judgment and trying to find the truth. However, it is important to put yourself in their shoes and treat it with sensitivity.
@Nicolaus Volentius Who says rape doesn't happen? Are you talking about feminist that say man can't be an victim of sexual assault or rape? Because that's the ONLY group that denies the existence of rape.
Wages of Sinn , there’s more than just being falsely accused. There’s falsely charged. And falsely convicted. And then falsely sentenced. In the eye of the public, all someone needs to be is falsely accused. God forbid they are actually legally charged unless it’s warranted.
It really did do some good. But it's gone way too far at this point. Its nice to see content like this. The answer is absolutely in the middle somewhere. Not pro, or anti. More like a kind of supportive of me too.
It is so important to remember men. My husband was raped by a woman. And he never felt comfortable going to the police because he is a man. It is so true that it can ruin positive touch. He has healed a lot through the years. But sometimes when we were intimate, he had flashbacks and we had to stop. It truly broke my heart cause I never wanted him to feel like I was using him. But through a lot of therapy he has recovered a lot.
@@dianeaishamonday9125 thank you so much. I do my best to be respectful to him. And if he doesn't feel like having sex I never pressure him into it. He loves me dearly because I respect him. And I love him so much. ❤️
I will say that I completely sympathize with you but the fact is that what your partner went through is one of the rarest forms of sexual assault. Most male sexual assault victims are victim by men. Especially as a child. So it's important we understand that the stigma should be around the assaulters not the victims. And that the assaulters are almost exclusively men. Just a comment and again sorry for your husband.
Maybe when everyone is standing in the back, they should be blindfolded, and when the question is asked they can raise their hands if they agree. Then everyone takes off their blindfolds and the people who raised their hands come to the chairs. I just think it would be nice to try to eliminate some of the peer pressure
Great idea. And if putting on And taking off blindfolds per question is annoying, then maybe having “cubicles” (sorry I don’t know what to call them) for people to stand and not see each other can help make the responses less biased.
If someone is, without a doubt, a sexual assaulter or a rapist, they should 100% be punished. However, if someone makes a false allegation, they should be punished as well.
Facts. And I despise the fact that false accusations have ruined victims wanting to come forward and people believing them. Everyone is afraid to tell what happened to them nowadays and it's so fucked up.
There are people that has been going to jail for lying about it. BUT, if the possible rapist can´t be proven guilty because of "fault" of evidence. The possible victim can´t be put in jail because of not enough evidence.
@@sagalindhe a guy in England got sentenced to jail for touching a woman's shoulder and his hands were on his bag in the video yet he had to pay for it
As a real victim who still suffers from PTSD, I feel a lot of injustice when there are false allegations; it takes away my credibility and replaces it with more silence and utter pain
yes! so many men, mainly men of color have been sentenced to life and have gotten the death penalty even tho they aren’t guilty and the women just sits back and watches his life be ruined
Steven Foster I agree with u to an extent. Although then u run into the big issue of now people who are truthfully raped do not want to speak out about it in case no evidence is found and they are presumed to have falsely accused the man and may be sent to prison. Not disagreeing with u at all just kinda bringing in the other side.
Dokta 46 yea well i mean i’m talking about when you don’t even let them finish like this lady wouldn’t let her get a sentence out and i think it’s rude to argue with someone when u haven’t heard them out yet, you know?
Angry Egalitarian I will always support it for my personal reasons. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with the people that only wish to do harm unto others.
I agree!!! They're ruining a good thing and they probably don't even care!! They are getting money or fame and that's all that matters until they really do get raped!! It's like the Boy Who Cried Wolf!! Soon, it will just annoy people and no one will believe anybody!! They really need to stop!! I too have been raped in childhood and adulthood!! I know how it feels not to be believed but I think some of them are liars!! It sickens my heart to no end!!! Very Sorry you were raped!!! Never forget your worth!! It's more than other's believing and validating!! As long as you remember and keep it inside your mind and heart, then they didn't get away with it completely even when the abuser denies it, doesn't mean that it Didn't Happen!!! I believe you, Beautiful!! Always keep hope alive!!! 💗💗💗🇺🇲✨😘
The problem with being pro MeToo and being anti MeToo is that it implies that people either need to believe every accusation or reject every accusation when in reality you can't do either.
@@sx4rymonsters That’s a good point. I feel like assaulters in these cases are guilty unless proven innocent. It’s just in some cases, caution should be taken because the system can be manipulated, but we shouldn’t ignore it though.
@Canis Lupus I think you're misunderstanding. The people who lie about it are a very small handful. Obviously an important handful and we need to take that into consideration, but what you're also doing is invalidating many true accusations that get swept under the rug because of the mindset that you are demonstrating which infests the entire movement. Doubt is the enemy of logic, until you realise that you will never understand the foundation of the movement as a whole.
@@ciaran4135 it’s innocent until proven guilty with every crime. Having a guilty until proven innocent will destroy our society and trust that people will abusé it. Now anyone can accuse anyone with no proof. Now you’d be put your self at risk anytime your alone with anyone.
So because one person says one thing that makes that person less then a person... Peoples words always mean something, they can be wrong or right or somewhere between. But saying someone does not have any credibility because of one thing they say is extremely ignorant. I do disagree with most of what she said, but that doesn't mean what she said doesn't have value and that you can not learn from it. When you say things like this, it takes away from learning opportunities and will quite possibly continue to say more ignorant things.
My friend got accused of rape, kicked off his university team, spent 6 months in prison. 2 years later she came out saying she lied. Nothing happened to her.
See this right here is exactly why I am not a feminist. As a girl growing up in the 2010’s all you hear about on the media is women and how they need to rise up over the guys but the whole time I thought, but what about other genders? They have there perspective and now that this is so big they can’t speak out without being shut down. Sure the feminist movement was important yes but that was a few decades ago. We have this good gender equality now and some girls just won’t stop! Like that girl who poured bleach on guys ‘man spreading’ on the train that’s just so fucked up! And stories like your friend get hidden under the curtain and it sucks.
I really appreciate that casting was careful to not just get girls for pro and guys for anti...otherwise this conversation would have probably overplayed the gender card.
One thing we don’t realize when we say “innocent until proven guilty,” its often taken to the point that victims are “lying until proven honest.” There has to be a middle ground.
I agree we shouldn’t call women liars but until the truth comes we should reserve judgment unless there’s evidence. I agree with you it’s needs to be a middle ground.
Wow you people are crazy. Any rape accusation should not be publicize on any social media or news channel until a verdict has being given. An accusation is equivalent to a conviction for many people
No it's often taken to the point that victims 'could be lying or could be telling the truth we need proof before coming to conclusion' atleast that's how it should be
@@xuniepyro7399 Ashley Morgan Smithline is definitely lying about Marilyn Manson (Brian Warner). So are Evan Rachel Wood, Esme Bianco, Bianca Allaine, Sarah McNeilly, Illma Gore, Ashley Walters, & Chloe Black. There's evidence that they're lying or exaggerating events.
I think when talking about false accusations they missed the fact that false accusations make it even more difficult to believe and prove true accusations.
@Turbo Turlet Feminism is literally "the advancement of women's rights based on equality of genders". It actually doesn't care for men's rights, it was never meant to.
@@uchegodslove585 Yeah that's the problem, when a women stands up for herself and help other women, men automaticly think they're considered as anti-male.
False accusations don't make true accusations harder to prove. Evidence is evidence. You shouldn't believe anything is true without evidence. What you wrote makes no sense. That's like saying if someone lies about being punched in the face then that makes other victims of punches harder to prove they were punched. It doesn't follow. I think the most skipped over aspect in the false accusation problem are the falsely accused who don't get nearly enough coverage of their pain.
Aaron a lot of us feel the same way about the anti side. Using small, rare circumstances to ignore the big picture and dismiss sexual assault in both women and men
Even from personal experience. Sharing experiences can bring people together despite their differences. I think they know that they all want to help the world to be a better place, they just have a different opinion on how.
I feel like this topic is so nuanced, you can't really go say all the way on one side. But the thing we can all agree is if someone is sexually assaulting someone they should be brought to justice regardless of gender and class.
Inebriatd women don’t speak up because history has shown that the legal system is not always in a victim’s favor. women have always been harassed, the me too movement didn’t suddenly cause an increase that makes zero sense. it only seems that way because women and victims in general are no longer silent
This sort of thing happens to (I believe) every movement ever. Feminism, BLM and even Climate Change movements all started out with pure good intentions, but many start to commit criminal acts and do so under the name of these movements. One good example is how BLM rioters (I called them so because they were not peaceful) and even looters were damaging property and even loot unprotected shops while the protests were ongoing. Like in CNN headquarters, rioters broke their property and at one point even threw hazardous items (some even blowing up like a firework) at police who were stopping them from entering the building. I know these movements had genuine intentions to call for change for the benefit of society, but there are those who commit crime under their names and thus ruin their reputation.
Wrong. I’m against it. It’s a twisted mess of hate, anger and misplaced emotion. Filled with vile people. Stealing money from people. Nup. Fark that movement.
caca xoxo You have to look at it through the eyes of the law because the moment you stop you lose the middle ground and the system which is set in stone and then it turns into well I think this and I think this if people go to court knowing they won’t win and they don’t even if the person they were accusing is guilty it’s their fault because they knew it wouldn’t work
The girl with glasses calling victims of “leering” survivors is pretty insulting to the actual victims of an assault that severely threatened the victims life.
@TheShrimpyTomato Sorry this is so off topic but that's Bill Vicar in your avatar photo!!! I LOVE him, I'm learning ASL from him right now (If you dont know who he is I'm going to be embarrassed lol ignore me if you don't get it)
@Ceylon Blue thats only fair, because rapes dont happens directly, it starts with touch. and strictness will lessen the chances of it. males gets assaulted way less than females , so obviously there will be difference in magnitude of measures.
@@zeuxlaught2797 men are raised to pretend to be way stronger than they actually are. The are given super masculine blueprints that they are expected to follow. Being weak, or admitting that someone hurt them, goes against what so many men are taught. Just because not as many men appear in statistics of sexual assault, doesn't mean they don't exist.
Yea. That was a factual error that bothered me that no one pushed back on. There are instances of evidence being found that verifies an accusation of being false. False accusations are not simply accusations with insufficient evidence.
@@bdonovable The statistics on provably false allegations is very close to that of provably true allegations. The vast majority are unable to be proved either way and are not counted in false allegation statistics. Though some wilfully misleading graphics out there equate them with guilty people that went free (when there is no way of confirming guilt or innocence)
@@martas0108if I said "murder of children statistically doesn't happen often." would that not be instantly vilified? just because a certain crime happens less often than another crime doesn't make it less serious, less tragic, and it's absolutely ironic and hypocritical that those asking to look at power dynamics, and relationship dynamics, and to seek justice after an injustice happened, ARE the very same ones who deny that in the pursuit of justice, injustice can happen. that when they say, sure, there are evil men doing evil things, but let us make sure that we don't take out good men, and then they say that doesn't happen, you're either intellectually dishonest, or you don't know your side as well as you think you do. that's why there is due process. plus she said that after she knew that she messed up, and that's not entirely true either. plus it entirely misses her point of that just as she makes the point of standing up against those who say "that doesn't happen" she SAYS "that doesn't happen."
Of course it happens and it's dispicable. The problem is, it doesn't happen nearly as often as some people would like to make it seem, and is often used as a way to discredit women who report sexual assault and rape.
Yes because that exists. If a woman coming out 20 years later that she was raped but doesn't have much evidence because it happened a long time ago. So men can be acquitted because lack of evidence but she did acknowledge that some are truly false accusations.
Yes, during the times of the Inquisition villagers used to throw a handcuffed suspect of sorcery to the river, if the witch didn't drown then was a signal she was innocent. However, the witch always ended up drowning.
so very often accusations that do not lead to prosecutions are referred to as false accusations. the same person, one moment later did acknowledge that false allegations happen but that the prevalence is inflated.
If you're pro MeToo, you should be anti false accuser too. Because it's one of the reason that can cause a distrust to women even if she's actually a victim
Women ain't the only victim here. People think that when you get falsely accused that's it, you just have to prove your innocence. People say "I'd rather be falsely accused" yeah? Try being that in a community of people who know you. If you get falsely accused they'll tear your house, theyll beat you up, and they'll even rape you to know how it feels, but you'll be innocent. So you'll be raped, but everyone will wish you were dead.
ruins mens life’s along w the real victims life’s. it’s insanely selfish to ignore the factual evidence that false accusations happen just as much (if not more) than factual accusations.
They end with the usual sorts of comments "We seem to agree on more than we realize"... but this was the most divided video I've seen in this series. They were nearly completely split on each question asked.
There are some topics where 'middle ground' boils down to a literal opinion and supporters of that opinion. But above all, respect and communication. MeToo is a very personal, sensitive and complex topic that really challenges who we are as a species, what we're capable of, and what we can do. Getting agreements just like that seems so farfetched. There was respect in this video and I think that's great middle ground itself. At least they tried. We don't have to stop trying.
I think it's because the groups were overtly based on opinions this time rather than identities. Sometimes a group based on identity like gay people, laywers, artists will have different opinions than each other but how can groups based on shared opinion have different opinions than each other? The only place where they can come together in episodes like these are shared experience.
James-Andrew Sarmiento yeah that’s such a bad response. I remember during the Jessie Smolliet thing getting into fights with people who now claim “hate crimes never really happen”. That is such a crazy blanket statement. People do evil things. If you believe someone is capable of rape or violence you should also be open to the idea that someone can lie.
Nicolaus Volentius Gotta love the assumption that just because people are speaking out about false accusation cases, they suddenly don’t care about those being sexually assaulted and/or raped. Not sure if you know this, but these aren’t exclusive. There’s a possibility that a person could care about and hold disdain for both.
@@EddyWriter_ A huge case was Brian Banks, a star football player coming out of high school who was falsely accused and completely ruined his football career.
False accusations DO happen. A friend of mine was accused of Rape and thrown out of school, when later multiple text conversations proved it was completely consensual before and after. Still was never allowed back in college, life ruined.
DudleyIsDumb I thought it was interesting that the the anti me too people aren’t saying women haven’t been abused or rapes don’t happen. Just that some accusations might not be as credible.
this reminds me of a trend on tiktok rn where people share their sexual assault stories and it has made me realize how many victims are male so please don't invalidate men's experiences or anyone based on their gender this happens to everyone!!
@@Toxic2T If it happened to me i wouldn't give a fuck because nobody would believe me and i would be ruined because the image of me being a false accuser would stay forever
Inkeptis well based on what you said it didn't happen to you so i don't think you can say "i wouldn't give a fuck" it's kind of disrespectful. replying to the rest: that's why i made this comment to tell everyone that it's important to sympathize with all victims.
Nicolas T i hope that soon society becomes a place where everyone is able to comfortably share their experience with this (hopefully none) and get justice.
Blaire said it the best "comparing rape to leering is insulting" people that have been raped cannot be compared to a person who was looked at in a certain way
Amanda Heuskin Agreed 100%. The two should never be compared. It’s thoroughly demeaning to rape victims. One is a seriously heinous crime, the other is morally reprehensible behaviour, bordering on harassment if it gets far enough.
The League of Assassin's movement or as you call it "MeeToo" That movement did more than enough, think about how many men this League has already killed? It is insane, and not a single woman was killed 🤯
They guy who said “it’s not about women it’s about power” was so right. It’s about power. Women hurt men too. It’s over looked and not reported because the sexual assault of men is played as a joke.
Cori Ambler That’s what I was thinking! Most rape isn’t because of the outfits someone is wearing, or how they’re acting or even pleasure, it’s about power. I’m not saying that those aren’t reasons people do get raped for, but a big majority is all about power.
Terry Crews out right said that he was sexually assaulted by a Hollywood executive out right in the public eye so a man can in fact can be sexually assaulted by a female
I was appalled when she said “that doesn’t happen”. Last year I was falsely accused out of spite, and my entire life changed as a result. Financially Im better and in a better place mentally, but I have this overbearing anxiety that hangs over me every night.
I think that the Me Too movement had good intentions, but I don't think that putting women over men in value because of the idea that men don't suffer is right.
RobinFlysHigh it barely ever happens and y’all love to bring this point up when it’s not as relevant as the actual cases where women are actually assaulted
It does happen, but the problem is when people take this and begin to doubt every person that steps forward because some are false accusations. People forget about all the real cases that happen because they get sidetracked by the rare false accusations. False accusations do happen, but they are rare.
My little brother was falsely accused of sexual assault by an older women living with his girlfriend. He was arrested, spent a day in jail, and had to stand trial. Jury took less than 15 minutes to rule not guilty on all charges.
This just shows that people shouldn't falsely accuse anyone of sexual harassment or sexual assault. We need to teach people NOT to falsely accuse someone of something. It goes both ways.
I've noticed so many women in these comments acknowledging her comment, say of course false accusations occur and she was wrong to say that. So far, in my scrolling, I haven't seen any men commending the positive aspects of these conversations and acknowledging victims stories. This is not an attack on you, just an observation. It almost feels like women have to work overtime to meet men on their point of view, and a lot of them won't even acknowledge a victim's.
@@lilyjohnson9216 that's because it's already universal that victims have been wronged, it's fairly a new concept to idiots that many people lie about rape
It was started with good intentions. The movement was hijacked and is hyper-focused on males and not predators. I'm not going to just believe women, because everyone is capable of lying. What I support is never dismissing women (or anyone). Take the accusations seriously then INVESTIGATE the situation impartially. When someone is accused of sexual assault, they run a high risk of being stigmatized whether they be innocent or not.
Agreed. It's the same with many of the current social justice movements. They start out with good ideas and intentions, but get hijacked by emotionally unstable people and opportunists. A lot of these social justice movements are just misguided to begin with - they often don't define the problem they are protesting adequately. It seems most of these movements are really just about equality in their best form. It follows then, that the best way to approach these issues is to make them about equality first and foremost (i.e. being treated equal under the law and in society). The constant identity driven movements are just leading to society's increasing fragmentation. The Critical Theory approach is destroying the country and offers very little in the way of actual solutions. It's just a never ending critique of society. If we really want to change things, we need to find a way to criticize and improve systems without devaluing people in the process. However, that would take a much more sophisticated and intelligent populace.
Yup, that's why it is such a difficult thing. I struggle so much with both sides, when anyone comes forward about sexual assault, it's a serious issue. Yet at the same people lie, so much..too much and about the most serious things. My own brother was wrongfully accused by a girl, my brother is one of the sweetest most respectful guys I know. And he has to be registered as a sex offender the rest of his life. I want justice for those who were actually raped and sexually assaulted but I have a harder time now as time passes seeing more false allegations and ruining innocent people's lives. So many men lost their lives being wrongfully accused. Its such a sad topic.
My father was falsely accused of rape and non consensual contact. The system went off of hearsay with absolutely no evidence or investigation. The woman he was with then came out and said she did give him consent and she manufactured a false story and was just upset with him. My father just got out of prison, this happened 6 years ago. He lost his job, our house, the ability to see my brothers. During that time, my grades dropped in school, I was in a deep depression and it made me lose my trust in the justice system as a whole. The fact my entire family was destroyed because "Always believe the victim" boggles my mind. I cannot believe this gender biased backward system. It ruined my fathers life, it ruined all of us..
Sorry what your dad went through but if "everyone always believed the 'victim'" then more rapists would be in prison right now, which is far from the case.
@soup I understand that completely. Being a victim myself, I'm in no way attempting to undermine or downplay anyone speaking out. It's the lack examination and perception of a case is what bothers me. Even the idea of people actively exploiting that flaw, then putting real victims and innocent people at risk boils my blood. A reckless and hypocritical judicial system that has failed me and my family on multiple accounts is a travesty. A life destroyer.
Sorry about your dad that’s pretty mess up I cannot imagine the pain and sadness you’ve felt when this happen to you and your family, I hear so many cases and many like yours and it’s generally heartbreaking.
Sam Knight hold up, the victim in the Central Park Five didn’t accuse the 5 boys of raping and nearly killing her; that was the police 🙄 it’s not really a good comparison.
@@jacencko011 regardless of that, nobody is gonna believe a black man over a white women period point blank the fuckin end unless there is a shitload of evidence to save the black man.
False accusations ruin lives. Her saying “it does not happen” was extremely disrespectful. I have extremely personal experience with this exact situation and it has truly ruined our lives.
It happens at the high school level too. One of my best guy friends was bullied for his entire Junior year due to false allegations. He had to go to court for months and it affected his learning. Additionally, in my school a boy got expelled. Again, on a lie.
@@sophiatroanska1432 thats problem even the women in glasses sayin i fear false accusation cuz the police couldn't find evidence ... how about false accusation cuz of lies like thats problem with the me too mvmnt they are blinded with rage they just want to make ppl guilty and every women is a victim which is not its innocent till proven guilty not guilty till proven innocent ..
Amber Heard got johnny Depp fired and ruined his life with false accusations. She even taunted him over it as revealed in recordings. That's some powerful female privilege.
I was SA by my son’s father. I have a recording of him confessing everything even why he did it. I have texts after asking how he could do it with my son in the room. I had a giant slit across my back from him “accidentally” cutting me with a knife during the assault. After a couple months of speaking to a detective my case was thrown out due to not enough evidence. The system is broken. I cannot imagine how many people have been failed.
@Mae Mccormack cuz they generally don't especially if the accuser is female there's been numerous of cases where they actually protect the females identity from being released because they didn't want to destroy her life after she destroys someone else's
the fact that she had the nerve to say "that does not happen" can we just bring up the johnny depp situation for a second. let's not invalidate victims for our own gain. i don't care what gender they are.
Claire Ann he literally still gets to be in movies, he was the face of a brand during his accusations. A lot of people stood by him and I think now that we see more evidence of what happened between them it’s allowed us to have an introspective conversation on power balances in relationships. There are many dynamics that we should know about
My dad was falsy accussed by my mom that he did something to me. The entire neighborhood to this day will believe her over me the supposed victim. He was terrified of being around my female friends alone for a while. This was back in 2012 even before me too go so big
hello sunshine lol, thankfully the death sentence is pretty rare for scenarios like that. Still, the punishment could be pretty severe so I hope the OP sorted that all out
@@evo683 There was no death sentence, but the cops questioned me, my mom, and my sister and I told them it didn't happen of course, which of course would make it incredibly hard to make any court case (if it had gone to court) since the supposed victim is absolutely denying it, so ya know. She tried to get a restraining order soon after the accusation but that failed since she had no proof and luckily after the school year ended (this happened in March) I was able to move in with my dad. He was lucky that I wasn't younger when it happened, but it taught me how cruel some women can be from an early age.
Being tried and punished in the community without any evidence at all would be terrifying to an innocent man. This is why there HAS to be a law against releasing the accused OR the accuser's name or face publicly until after the trial. And even then IF the accused is found guilty. But I feel like I need to ask, why would your father EVER need to be alone with one of your friends at all? And why would that scenario be a thing that is happening often enough that he was terrified of it? Also, if he only abstained from being alone with your friends "for a while", well that 100% seems like a really poor decision on his part. he could be falsely accused again at any time by any of their parents. Not worth it.
I actually got an email from my university to do this survey from the Australian study Sydney referenced, and I can confirm many questions were along the lines of “I have felt uncomfortable when a male has stared at me too long” or “people have used language or words around me that made me feel uncomfortable” etc. I remember looking at the results and being baffled that they lumped all of those prompts in with genuine sexual assault.
Um, because being called a hot piece of *** or being leered at by a group of young guys when you're just trying to get home on the subway is the kind of thing that makes women feel unsafe. Is that really so hard to understand?
@@abbiiON Did the survey explicitly say they were the same? Or are they talking about the generally unsafe environment that some people create for women when they leave the house? Or are they talking about the things women rationally fear will (and do) lead up to assault?
The issue people have is the report only stated that 1.6% of the 30,000 students who took the survey reported being sexually assaulted but 21% reported being sexually harassed at some point in 2015. The media used the latter statistic in a misleading manner to promote the “1 in 5 women gets ASSAULTED on campus” statement. Also, similar to what was discussed in the video, you would expect “harassment” to encompass being told extremely horrible or sexist things but instead it puts those on par with “someone looked at you for too long” which doesn’t even define malicious intent. The entire thing was carelessly unclear and vague which is why journalists took advantage of that.
Mz Kegz it’s against their narrative, not to mention it actually bring into question the cancel culture, inequality in justice, due process and problems with the movement. Something as the video partially indicates that is ignored until it’s unavoidable.
Let's look at Johnny Depp & Amber Heard. All she had was a photo of a bruise, 2 witnesses of aftermath & her word & majority of people instantly believed her. This led to Johnny Depp losing roles, most notably Jack Sparrow, and his reputation being somewhat destroyed. Whereas Amber became the face of MeToo & has been featured in blockbuster film. Yet when Johnny came forward with multiple photos, texts, videos & audio majority of people still didn't believe him. It is only after an audio of Amber admitting to being physical that a lot of people have changed their tune. We all know the fact that is "It is impossible to win an argument against ignorant people"
@Rose Jones Are you a mind reader? Abusive relationships do have two types. Physical and emotional. Physical can be proven with evidence. Emotional is a different beast. I have been the victim of both. Unless you can read minds, you can not say that someone is emotionally abused. There are signs that suggest that they are, but it is very hard to prove. Anyone that has been emotionally abused doesn't want to be in the spotlight. They don't want to be the face of anything. If they do, that puts a huge red flag up saying they are lying. I don't really know the case your talking about, but from what I have read here, I seriously doubt Johnny Depp was guilty of being abusive. Sounds more like both of them was into kinky stuff and once they stopped, she wanted game and used the situation to get it.
@Rose Jones The thing is, you still had one abuser, the physical one - not the emotional one, being praised and held on a pedastal and the other was first shunned and still hasn't been given any kind of positive recognition.
The biggest thing in this that upset me was the guy saying “why are we sending our daughters to school when there’s a 1 in 5 chance that they will be sexually harassed/assaulted?” when the real question is why are our sons being sent to school with the belief that these behaviours are acceptable”
@@purplesnowmon regardless it shouldn’t be “protect girls from the problem” it should be “let’s deal with the problem”. Ignorance may be bliss but it’s not an excuse.
@@bruhbutwhytho I know this is anecdotal but I’m 4’8, overweight, shy and very much a homebody and in no way considered conventionally attractive. I grew up in a “safe” neighbourhood yet I’ve had 2 attempted abductions in my teens (one walking the less than 10 minutes in broad daylight to a friends and the other walking with a friend to school) I’ve also been a victim of domestic violence that included sexual assault as a young adult and numerous sexual harassment (cat calling, sleazy advances that don’t take no for an answer etc) so if all that happens to someone like me what the hell is happening to more outgoing (more likely to attend parties and social events) and conventionally attractive young women. Men certainly experience sexual assault but the fact is women experience it at a much higher rate.
As a pro me too, I hate the fact that there are people who abuse the movement. However now that I am 6 months into the future and more educated I know that hardly any cases are actually false and so whenever the metoo movement is brought up false cases are always thrown in their face which is only to silence them. In conclusion false cases hardly ever happen so they shouldn’t be the first thing you think of when you think of the movement. That is you projecting ur own insecurities and trying to silence survivors. Not only that but the fact that ppl are worried more about the fact that false accusations are happening than the actual victims is disgusting and proves that ppl are trying to paint the movement as an abuse of power as they cannot deal with being painted as the bad guys that they are
Jaciara Correia as a sexual assault victim, I feel I get a say. I was sexually assaulted by two older woman. I am a woman myself. So where does the logic apply in that? If we are supposed to believe all woman, then which woman do we believe? The one that assaulted me, or me, the one who got assaulted. I’m mad that the two older girls didn’t get jail time, but I don’t believe in blindly believing all sexual assault “victims”. There is more people who are going to abuse the MeToo then to actually use it. You can easily ruin someone’s life. I will not support MeToo and never will. Am I mad I didn’t get justice? Yes! But it’s better than believing everyone who claims to be assaulted, even if it’s not true. Our system has always been “innocent until proven guilty” and it shouldn’t be changed because we are supposed to believe all woman, even if they are proven wrong.
@@RosieHip24 I mean, people had been talking about how there was plenty to say Amber was the one who was the abuser, even when she initially accused him, what, one or two years ago? It just wasn't brought up to the public, and it took her literally having a recording of admitting it for people to believe his side.
@@choose_happyxo Amber unwittingly admitted that it was her abusing Johnny Depp. She hit him with all kinds of household items, even cut off part of his finger, and when he was going to the police, she purposefully hurt herself and said she was the one being abused. Because of how the system is rigged against male victims of abuse, HE was the one who was arrested, lost his movie contracts, etc. She laughed her way to the bank and took his money in the divorce.
Hayley•Williams•Paramore Now, he’s suing her for the divorce settlement to be “erased”. Like, he’s not even going after more, just wants it gone. The transcripts are public now.
How do you know Johnny Depp was falsely accused? The fact that Amber Heard abused him in no way proves he DIDN'T also abuse her. And there is mounting evidence in the UK trial suggesting that he did. So this whole 'Amber Heard definitely falsely accused' Johnny Depp' meme is doing the exact same thing, just in reverse. If you believe false accusation is a terrible thing, you need to be very careful not to do it yourself.
@@tobymcinnis7031 Well Amber Heard has previous history of domestic violence, which isn't the most interesting thing about it's the fact that she's a spokesperson for anti-domestic violence but you're a white knight i'm sure there's nothing women can do to put you off, so I wont really bother.
"That doesn't happen." Emmitt Till, Scottsboro Boys, Central Park 5, Duke Lacrosse, Aziz Ansari, Seneca Valley high school, Amber Heard and Johnny Depp scandal, Jemma Beale, Big Brother UK, Mattress Girl, BIG BROTHER UK false assault......
“I’ve been falsely accused of sexual assault but also believe all women” Is no one gonna talk about the guy on the me too side saying he’s had a false accusation hahaha
I think Slim there is one of these slippery guys who hopes for/is gaming for some "mercy" by simping hard. There are many of those. I know the type well, they will talk to your beloved ones behind your backs trying to get in between.
Colin G I honestly thought he had some amazing points I’ve also been falsely accused and it was horrible. But that’s because the perosn who did it was manipulative and toxic not because they’re just a woman caught up in the me too movement
@@peaches3835 Yes, that's a perfectly good point. It's not that women or the me too movement itself are a problem, it's the "believe all women" mentality which enables that specific subset of manipulative women to ruin someone's life without evidence, or in some cases (like the Feibleman case) in the face of good evidence to the contrary.
She's insane!!! I love how she's trying to redefine words to fit her narrative. Ik so many guys who lives are ruined from false accusations because some people refuse to believe the evidence 😥😥😣
I mean she was not wrong about that fact that a false accusation could also be a accusation without sufficient evidence. This is not to say that people can't lie about these things. Obviously there are some lies going around which lead to false accusations.
I don’t know why the anti side didn’t move forward when they asked if the justice system handled assault cases fairly. Being falsely accused and incarcerated is injustice lol
I think it was because the question was so vague like they were debating among themselves what exactly the context was before the people who stepped forward started talking
I mean, the fact that people get falsely accused doesn't necessarily mean that it's an issue in the system perse. Not that I think there isn't a problem in the justice system, but these are not necessarily the same things
I think they were wondering in what context but I assume they believe it is especially since that one woman said her court case was completely thrown out because of some mans religion which is so unfair.
I’m pro me too BUT false accusations definitely happen!!! I wish the me too side was more open to that because them becoming defensive/simply denying that possibility made all their other arguments seem weak :(( Maybe repeat episode with other speakers..
Best comment here, I'm a man and most men would agree with this believe it or not. The problem is that this movement is tied almost directly to that rhetoric present day
MeToo would have worked better if the message was to take all women seriously instead of believe all women. Obviously you can't instantly believe everyone but you can take them seriously and hear them out.
“That does not happen.” Cmon how are you supposed to have a conversation if your mentality towards the other side is “your wrong” I feel like some people are just hurting really bad causing them to be bias but you have to realize there’s men out there being falsely accused but there’s also men being rightfully accused.
I mean, it is somewhat true though. False accusations happen with far less frequency than those concerned about it think it occurs, and actual assaults happen with greater frequency than those on either side seem to think. Continually bringing up “well, what about false accusations!” when the false accusations very rarely actually occur doesn’t really add much to conversation
@@markneillmusic9082 but then the person who created the false accusation IS the guilty one, and at that point you then punish the victim and reward the guilty party
@@markneillmusic9082 that's the basis for America's criminal justice system. The reason it's SUPPOSED to be innocent until PROVEN guilty. We have numerous stories of people being wrongfully imprisoned. As an individual with a darker complexion... this is a new source of concern on top of the many others. Letting guilty individuals go free is less harmful than imprisoning people wrongfully. Anyone that disagrees should try going to jail for 5 years because of something they weren't involved in then rethink their position when they come out. There's plenty of people that would love for you to take their place if you feel so strongly about it...
That Ranting Girl Because the repercussions for leering being the same as those for rape should not be the same. One is a heinous crime and the other is perhaps morally reprehensible, bordering on harassment should it go overboard. Not forcefully attacking someone and having sex with them is it.
@@deangreen2567 the repercussions for it aren't the same though? Sexual assault is just an umbrella term (though I'm 90% sure that "leering" falls under the sexual harassment umbrella term, not sexual assault. So it's not offensive, just wrong lol). I didn't take it as anyone suggesting that the punishment should be the same, just that they're both harmful in the same ways
@@thatrantinggirl7376 "they're both harmful in the same ways" Really? Looking at a person and raping them are "harmful in the same ways"? This is why reasonable people can't take this movement seriously.
A great example is the Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard case, people just took what Amber Heard said to face value without any proof, because of that it almost destroyed Johnny Depp's career when in fact Amber Heard was the person abusing Johnny Depp
@@ihavegamerleg that was a lie spread by amber and is in fact not true. johnny always took his roles very seriously. he lost his roles because he got canceled and productions no longer wanted to associate with him.
@@moneybadger2544 And without any evidence before that lost all work except Dior and Disney said they won’t ever work with him again just from Amber making a allegation yes it still stands today
"False accusations don't happen" EXCUSE ME??? MY BROTHER WAS ACCUSED FALSELY BY A WOMEN THREATENING HIM TO GIVE HER MONEY IF NOT SHE'LL SCREAM RAPE, turned out the landlord was hearing the discussion and helped out later.
this reminds me of a story, my sister had some downstairs neighbors that were always arguing. It was terrible and it went on for hours. When I went to visit my sister I asked her if we should call the police but she said not to because the last time someone called them the wife accused her husband of being violent towards her. Everyone knew it was a lie, he was a nice person and the woman was known in the building for being violent towards other people. Everyone always told him that if he ever wanted to leave they would help him but he never did. He was from a different country and was afraid that if he were to get divorced not only would he need to leave, his children would have to stay with her.
The problem with today’s society is that everything’s become a competition. Everyone feels attacked the minute they feel like the spotlight is being taken off of them, so when someone else speaks up about something that doesn’t align with their belief/narrative they get defensive and hostile. Rape is a real problem, false accusations are also a real problem. Rather than trying to turn them into a competition we need to deal with BOTH issues accordingly...... [Edit]: thanks to everyone leaving the nice comments/replies, i hadn’t seen them all till now so apologies for not responding.
Exactly. Competition is too deeply ingrained in society. Some things aren’t meant for competition but are of the same level of importance. Both are very much an issue and I think the law needs to take that into account.
these women ever hear about the star football quarterback who lost his d1 scholarship, his friends and family and life because a woman falsely accused him of rape because he didn't take her to prom. he got out five years later when a screenshot of her admitting she lied was leaked.
Or Duke Lacrosse Player Case. Tooth and nail Society and Racist AL Sharpton persecuted those boys. In an easy PI investigation "The Rape Victim" had a history of DOING domestic violence (Stabbing her Partners). She is in jail for MURDERING her last boyfriend
@@sagalindhe there are so many professional athletes and regular men who've had their careers tarnished due to false allegations and just because you don't see them on the news doesn't mean it's not happening out there.
As heated as this conversation was, I love how at the end they were all able to come together and share extremely sad, relatable stories and sort of bond in that sense. It was very moving.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SHARE THE LONGER UNCUT VERSIONS!!!! There is so much nuance and important discussion that is getting completely cut off and it’s not fair to the viewers.
The whole point of the channel is to be polite and not one sided, if they did that they would be inviting negativity to their positive channel. Not that I dont want to see those uncut versions too. It's just probabaly not great for their business.
@@cohenfromdiscord2551 yes. You can tell they cut out a lot when they started talking about Brett Kavanaugh. Blaire and Sydney have both done videos talking about how the women that came forward have since ALL retracted their statements and said they lied because they felt pressured to do so or wanted to make a statement.
I am fine with the movement as long as we don’t just believe the accuser 100% we should take it very seriously and investigate because if it is a false accusation you can ruin someone’s life
The point she was making is that many victims that cant prove their assault are dismissed as liars, which is labelled a false accusation. She just interpreted the prompt is a different way to the rest.
Bex Thompson This might sound really terrible, but often times it’s the persons fault they don’t have evidence because they come out years after the incident happened. We have no way to prove this, so we shouldn’t assume their accusation is truth and ruin the mans life without proper evidence like we do all the time.
@@samuelwhittenburg8742 I honestly agree with you (although I don't think it's that simple for a victim to just be open about their experience shortly after)
@@bex8034 Cases, where there are is not enough evidence to convict, are NEVER labelled false accusations legally. The police/court will only label something as a false accusation if it is PROVEN false.
Samuel Whittenburg Saying it’s their fault just didn’t sit right with me. I know what you’re saying but fault doesn’t seem to be the right word considering the trauma and primal response that is initiated by sexual abuse.
@@pagehaunter I think it was meant more like lightly pushing by someone in a crowded place, not in a sexual sense. If he meant it as sexual then it's 1. a shitty example and/or 2. coming from a scummy guy.
Instead of “believe all women” it should be “believe the facts.” Believe all women ruins many men’s lives through false accusations and allows those who have perpetrated a crime to discredit an accuser because oh look all these “believe all women” cases were false accusations and so is this one. It’s terrible for both sides.
Queen Versachi Agreed. It’s a very situational crime. Only two people tend to know the absolute truth of what has occurred. That’s precisely why however, it’s open to dishonesty.
Immanuel J Whilst I agree, the problem with believing ‘fact’ is that most cases can’t be backed with evidence. In my personal experience, there was no CCTV, I didn’t even know his name and I could barely see. That just wouldn’t stand in court, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Most sexual assault cases are, ‘he said she said’.
People who lie about being assaulted/raped etc, should be given the punishment for which is given to someone who commits the crime. That will deter most women from lying about what happened and we can safely believe more people’s cases
I agree, however when you say “most women” that implies that false accusations are rampant and happen all the time. In reality, false accusations only make up like 2% of all rape allegations. While I agree that false accusations should be punished, to imply that “most women” would lie about them makes it seem as if most victims coming forward are in some form or the other lying.
That will deter most women, even further, from reporting at ALL. Stop coming to the defense of the few men who are 100% innocent and start listening to victims. This is the same logic that deters black men from arguing their case and not taking the plea deal, for fear of receiving a worse sentence for daring to believe in the justice system. It sounds like you would like victims just sit down and be quiet, though.
Lily Johnson I personally think it’s really simple. If a person comes out and says they lied and that lie causes the loss of financial assets, jobs, degree opportunities, and possibly jail time. Then the person who falsely accused somebody should receive the same punishment. Now if they just can not prove the other person is guilty then no they shouldn’t be punished, it so hard to prove guilt in some of these scenarios so I wouldn’t expect that person to be punished. Now if the falsely accused person can prove he or she wasn’t there at the time and he or she had alibis then the other person should absolutely be punished. We’re talking about ruining someone livelihood.
and a permanent spot on your record stating them as a false-flagger for rape accusations. That way businesses who require a copy of your criminal record will know what kind of of Peter-and-the-wolf person they are interested in hiring.
God that one girl that said false accusations don’t happen pretty much ruined the reputation of the pro me too side; it’s evident in this comments section. :^(
The failure to punish 'false accusers' in the presence of evidence does. The request that 'false accusers' not be punished in fear that it would deter 'legitimate' survivors from coming forward does as well.
Yeah they do. 10-15 years ago when you heard rape in the media never would have thought someone would falsely accouse somebody. Now if you hear one firstly you think about is this really happened the way it's being sad or not. The false accusations already undermined the victims.
@@leonidas0242 in a super abstract way? Sure, but generally? Not really, he was never absolutely reviled, the case was always viewed as shady and he always got good work
I think in ways it’s gone to far, in other ways, it hasn’t gone far enough. We need to add abused men and we need to take away guilty just from words. But definitely needs to have the conversation continue
Terry cruise was a big supporter of me too and spoke out about his own experience so I don’t think it’s just men vs women, I think men have just as much of a right to speak out about their abuse.
Man - “False sexual allegations happen” Black Lady- “that does not happen” Then what about Emmett Till who was brutally murdered off of false sexual allegations he was 14. The woman who helped murder Emmett even admitted to the murder. I find it strange that the black lady said it when Emmett till was a black boy who was killed because of sexual allegations and racism.
Garen Frierson what does her race have to do with anything? You make a good point by falsifying what she says but then bringing up her race just makes you sound ignorant
Has there ever been a movement that has good intentions and *hasn’t* been taken advantage of by spiteful people trying to ruin other people’s lives? I feel like if you’re a supporter of any movement, you have to be able to acknowledge the abuses of that movement. That woman who said that false accusations don’t happen against men baffled me. How can you not acknowledge that stuff like that happens? Edit: spelling oops
Grace Burke Movements can stay true to their very core, providing that the media don’t catch wind of them. The media are largely responsible for the battling between men and women to this very day. False accusations have always happened, there are some women out there who relish being part of the movement and seek sympathy for being a victim, others who seek to destroy someone’s credibility. It’s a shame, we should be targeting rapists and criminals, yet, attention seekers prevent such things.
Dean Green of course movements can stay true to their core, I wasn’t implying that they get completely derailed, it’s the few people who ruin it for other people and media too that I was referencing
Because to her it isn’t about accountability, it’s about power. Thankfully most feminists aren’t so blind as the other two did have good intentions. Regardless I personally think false accusations should be taken seriously as they make it more difficult for actual rape victims, especially considering the false allegations have triggered a massive backlash against anything women’s rights related
False accusations absolutely do happen. One of my fathers rules is that he never allows anybody, women or men, step fully into his office. They must ask whatever they need while still outside of his office door
@@pebbles92able I’m not saying you’re wrong, it’s just something random to comment out of nowhere lol. But yeah, it’s best if both aren’t in the same room either way. You never know if one person is a rapist or if the other is a false accuser
I have a cousin who is 14 years d and was accused of something twice. The first time the councilor (his mom) overheard a girl talking about how my cousin was making her uncomfortable with being too close to him and blah blah blah, the councilor pulled her aside and asked of it was true and the girl admitted that it wasn't. Than another girl accused him of pressuring her into sex and filled out police report, but the day she said it happened, he was on the other side of the state helping my grandfather build his porch. Long story short, yes, man are falsely accused all the time, but it doesn't mean you should stop believing everyone who comes out.
We can't blindly believe everyone. There needs to be evidence that it did occur. This can't be something you report years or decades later. Its way too late.
I think a large part of false allegations is that facing actual consequences you don't deserve seems to be rarer than being falsely accused. But, a lot of men use it as an excuse to diss women or act like women are out to get them. So I can kind of see a bit why people say it doesn't happen because it's so much rarer it does, but a lot of men act like it's immediately going to happen.
I thought this whole video was a mess until the very end. When all the women came together to talk about the ways in which they were assaulted, I fell like it just highlighted exactly what most people saw this movement as- a way to provide a space and a voice to victims of sexual abuse. When Dave came forward at the end, saying that he too was abused yet still kind of blaming himself, I thought that was also another highlight. So many people blame themselves and need the help and encouragement of others to truly understand what sexual abuse is never the fault of the victim...the term "abuse" exemplifies itself. At the end of the day, we still need to hold this space to be able to talk about sexual abuse and call out predators, but yes, we need to figure out the best way to do it.
@Assorted Flipmations i’m personally very supportive of the movement but i’m really curious as to what you mean by people abuse it and how they use that against men?
Anon No, this is from the fact that in a speech she gave at the Ms. Foundation for Women’s Gloria Awards and Gala she said that she once had sex with an intoxicated man, who was so drunk he blacked in out of consciousness and was unable to give consent, because she was frustrated with how little attention men gave her in college. She said that moment gave her a feeling of “Self-Worth” and she even sex shamed her victim in that same speech. According to the rules of her university at the time, this would be defined as Sexual Harassment and she could have faced expulsion or worse. This could also be illegal under Maryland State law, however it is oddly specific stating that having sex with an intoxicated person is only counts as rape as long as vaginal penetration takes place in which the person taking advantage of the situation would be charged with it. From what she said, she could be charged with sexual assault but it was vague so it would be hard to bring to court. If she were a man doing this to a woman, she would absolutely face rape charges but since she’s a woman, people don’t care. People even thought that part of the story was empowering and funny even though they would never say that if she were man.
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Actual MGTOW What can we do, it’s their platform and their free to do so. I agree that it’s biased and that they cut scenes on people they don’t agree with, it’s sad but that’s what most media does. Not any different with them.
@Actual MGTOW weow you sound like such a victim
@Actual MGTOW Aww, did I hurt your feelings? Ya gonna tell your wife's boyfriend to come beat me up now?
As usual, you minimize men's experience in MeToo
The man is likely going to be arrested, handcuffed, interrogated, have to arrange a lawyer, and the money for it, stress about how his life is going to unfold, and endure the stress of a pending case over months and years. All while society will see him as a predator.
While the victim will give her statement, likely get emotional support through it, and likely feel some sense of virtue as she gets attention and pity.
And if he gets convicted.. well, then things go really bad.
Compare that to the "victim's" experience, even including the most common "sexual assault", in which it's likely a date situation and the woman was unhappy with some aspect of her experience. Who do you think has it worse?
Would you rather go on a romantic date that was disappointing, or have 3-10 years of your life upended?
@gaby that doesn't happen.
Letting rape victims be heard is sooooo important but the people who falsely accuse people of sexual assault are disgusting
Yeah
yeah false accusers needa b jailed
That’s what we used to do back in the day before we have the SJWs more power
They just use woman empowerment in the wrong way
@@wolfetteplays8894 when?
There is a difference between "believe all victims" and taking allegations seriously and investigating them.
CaptainHappen fax
Innocent till proven guilty, one of the ideals the founding fathers were quite adamant on.
Exactly! I totally don't agree with the believe all women. That's a ridiculous statement. You don't have to believe or not believe. It's called with holding judgment and trying to find the truth. However, it is important to put yourself in their shoes and treat it with sensitivity.
@@sorrym8421 legally, they were adamant about the GOVERNMENT not being able to assume you were guiltym
@Nicolaus Volentius Who says rape doesn't happen? Are you talking about feminist that say man can't be an victim of sexual assault or rape? Because that's the ONLY group that denies the existence of rape.
The biggest issue with people who are falsely accused is that they're rarely ever referred to as victims.
Wages of Sinn , there’s more than just being falsely accused. There’s falsely charged. And falsely convicted. And then falsely sentenced. In the eye of the public, all someone needs to be is falsely accused. God forbid they are actually legally charged unless it’s warranted.
@Chris Bartolini no no no. Attempted Genocide. They're still around.
Johnny Depp for example.
That’s because they are men and thanks to feminist propaganda, men are seen as bad.
It really did do some good.
But it's gone way too far at this point. Its nice to see content like this. The answer is absolutely in the middle somewhere.
Not pro, or anti.
More like a kind of supportive of me too.
"Believe all women" should be replaced with "Take all victims seriously"
people say: believe victims, not “believe all women” i’ve not heard anyone say it to just women since all people that support metoo include everyone
@@holagirl7144 so why is "believe all women" so popular?
Or maybe "Everyone Be Critical Thinkers"
Retardo Davinci because people noticed it’s usually women and sometimes people like to use it to say it’s misogynistic
Why can women wear a wig and nothing is said, but if a guy wears a toupee, he is laughed at?
It is so important to remember men. My husband was raped by a woman. And he never felt comfortable going to the police because he is a man. It is so true that it can ruin positive touch. He has healed a lot through the years. But sometimes when we were intimate, he had flashbacks and we had to stop. It truly broke my heart cause I never wanted him to feel like I was using him. But through a lot of therapy he has recovered a lot.
I'm glad you are a good partner to him. So many men become fearful of women after such a harrowing experience
@@dianeaishamonday9125 thank you so much. I do my best to be respectful to him. And if he doesn't feel like having sex I never pressure him into it. He loves me dearly because I respect him. And I love him so much. ❤️
How???
I will say that I completely sympathize with you but the fact is that what your partner went through is one of the rarest forms of sexual assault. Most male sexual assault victims are victim by men. Especially as a child. So it's important we understand that the stigma should be around the assaulters not the victims. And that the assaulters are almost exclusively men.
Just a comment and again sorry for your husband.
XT JR It’s not that hard to comprehend.
Maybe when everyone is standing in the back, they should be blindfolded, and when the question is asked they can raise their hands if they agree. Then everyone takes off their blindfolds and the people who raised their hands come to the chairs. I just think it would be nice to try to eliminate some of the peer pressure
Agreed
Totally agree. I hope they see this comment, I'd love to see an episode where they tried this method!
Definitely, you can tell when a person goes to the chairs since everyone else is doing it in nearly every episode.
Yes, that's a great idea! It seems like some people are influenced by others around them whether they do or don't raise their hand.
Great idea. And if putting on And taking off blindfolds per question is annoying, then maybe having “cubicles” (sorry I don’t know what to call them) for people to stand and not see each other can help make the responses less biased.
If someone is, without a doubt, a sexual assaulter or a rapist, they should 100% be punished. However, if someone makes a false allegation, they should be punished as well.
Facts. And I despise the fact that false accusations have ruined victims wanting to come forward and people believing them. Everyone is afraid to tell what happened to them nowadays and it's so fucked up.
There are people that has been going to jail for lying about it. BUT, if the possible rapist can´t be proven guilty because of "fault" of evidence. The possible victim can´t be put in jail because of not enough evidence.
@@sagalindhe a guy in England got sentenced to jail for touching a woman's shoulder and his hands were on his bag in the video yet he had to pay for it
@@hyperiongaming2132 Source?
@@fireblossom9618 the news? What source do you use? 👀
As a real victim who still suffers from PTSD, I feel a lot of injustice when there are false allegations; it takes away my credibility and replaces it with more silence and utter pain
I'm sorry for whatever happened to you. I hope that you are doing okay in your life 😁
No it doesn't
@@gwendolyn1003 Oh? Indulge me then. 🧐
100 percent agree. When someone makes a false accusation, it might make people look at me or anyone else and question if it really happened to us.
@@ALJ9000 no one was talking to u
I am 1000% in support of prison sentences for people who falsely accuse others of rape.
Could not agree more
Ya or at least a fine
yes! so many men, mainly men of color have been sentenced to life and have gotten the death penalty even tho they aren’t guilty and the women just sits back and watches his life be ruined
I had to read this twice LOL
Steven Foster I agree with u to an extent. Although then u run into the big issue of now people who are truthfully raped do not want to speak out about it in case no evidence is found and they are presumed to have falsely accused the man and may be sent to prison. Not disagreeing with u at all just kinda bringing in the other side.
I firmly believe in not interrupting someone when they speak
You can, only politely tho.
Dokta 46 no u can’t, interrupting someone is disrespectful no matter what. let them finish what they are saying and add what you want to say after
@@shannon5523 ok. But what if they don’t give you a chance for you to speak. You can’t just let them walk all over you.
Dokta 46 yea well i mean i’m talking about when you don’t even let them finish like this lady wouldn’t let her get a sentence out and i think it’s rude to argue with someone when u haven’t heard them out yet, you know?
@@shannon5523 yeah I can agree with you on that point!!👍🏼
As a person in the MeToo movement, it makes me so freaking angry when someone falsely accuses someone. It makes us REAL survivors look bad.
Angry Egalitarian I will always support it for my personal reasons. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with the people that only wish to do harm unto others.
Angry Egalitarian If we were to focus on only negative aspects of things then our world would already be more sick than it is.
that my point...they need to start punishing women HARD who lie about these things , its hurts both men and women
Sorry for what happened to you
I agree!!! They're ruining a good thing and they probably don't even care!! They are getting money or fame and that's all that matters until they really do get raped!! It's like the Boy Who Cried Wolf!! Soon, it will just annoy people and no one will believe anybody!! They really need to stop!! I too have been raped in childhood and adulthood!! I know how it feels not to be believed but I think some of them are liars!! It sickens my heart to no end!!! Very Sorry you were raped!!! Never forget your worth!! It's more than other's believing and validating!! As long as you remember and keep it inside your mind and heart, then they didn't get away with it completely even when the abuser denies it, doesn't mean that it Didn't Happen!!! I believe you, Beautiful!! Always keep hope alive!!! 💗💗💗🇺🇲✨😘
The problem with being pro MeToo and being anti MeToo is that it implies that people either need to believe every accusation or reject every accusation when in reality you can't do either.
Honestly best comment on here by far! Agreed. Anyone who says they have a simple solution is wrong!
I feel like you should always believe the stories until they are proven wrong, because saying it didn’t happen can really damage someone
@@sx4rymonsters That’s a good point. I feel like assaulters in these cases are guilty unless proven innocent. It’s just in some cases, caution should be taken because the system can be manipulated, but we shouldn’t ignore it though.
@Canis Lupus I think you're misunderstanding. The people who lie about it are a very small handful. Obviously an important handful and we need to take that into consideration, but what you're also doing is invalidating many true accusations that get swept under the rug because of the mindset that you are demonstrating which infests the entire movement. Doubt is the enemy of logic, until you realise that you will never understand the foundation of the movement as a whole.
@@ciaran4135 it’s innocent until proven guilty with every crime. Having a guilty until proven innocent will destroy our society and trust that people will abusé it. Now anyone can accuse anyone with no proof. Now you’d be put your self at risk anytime your alone with anyone.
The girl who just said that false accusations dont happen just lost her credibility for the whole video
she was not very good at explaining anything anyways
Public Extermination Please
She is a garbage human being. She's right, no questions asked. Why is she even here for a discussion video if she just wants to talk?
So because one person says one thing that makes that person less then a person... Peoples words always mean something, they can be wrong or right or somewhere between. But saying someone does not have any credibility because of one thing they say is extremely ignorant. I do disagree with most of what she said, but that doesn't mean what she said doesn't have value and that you can not learn from it. When you say things like this, it takes away from learning opportunities and will quite possibly continue to say more ignorant things.
@@Kinofspawn in the video she literally did literally discredited something the guy said
My friend got accused of rape, kicked off his university team, spent 6 months in prison. 2 years later she came out saying she lied. Nothing happened to her.
Yeah because it false accusations "does not happen".
Seriously though, sorry about that situation. That sucks.
Cilq That just made me visibly angry.
See this right here is exactly why I am not a feminist. As a girl growing up in the 2010’s all you hear about on the media is women and how they need to rise up over the guys but the whole time I thought, but what about other genders? They have there perspective and now that this is so big they can’t speak out without being shut down. Sure the feminist movement was important yes but that was a few decades ago. We have this good gender equality now and some girls just won’t stop! Like that girl who poured bleach on guys ‘man spreading’ on the train that’s just so fucked up! And stories like your friend get hidden under the curtain and it sucks.
@@crissie7116 I agree.
Lol
I really appreciate that casting was careful to not just get girls for pro and guys for anti...otherwise this conversation would have probably overplayed the gender card.
Which is disappointing
I think they’re really good at that in almost all of their episodes I really like that they try and eliminate the obvious defenses and stereotypes
I mean ones a transgender so... two boys one girl
i agree, this might be some of my favorite casting so far
@@enosb.998 get your eyes checked 😊
One thing we don’t realize when we say “innocent until proven guilty,” its often taken to the point that victims are “lying until proven honest.” There has to be a middle ground.
And just for the record that's just a saying, for most common people it's like always guilty once accused
I agree we shouldn’t call women liars but until the truth comes we should reserve judgment unless there’s evidence. I agree with you it’s needs to be a middle ground.
Wow you people are crazy. Any rape accusation should not be publicize on any social media or news channel until a verdict has being given. An accusation is equivalent to a conviction for many people
No it's often taken to the point that victims 'could be lying or could be telling the truth we need proof before coming to conclusion' atleast that's how it should be
@@xuniepyro7399 Ashley Morgan Smithline is definitely lying about Marilyn Manson (Brian Warner). So are Evan Rachel Wood, Esme Bianco, Bianca Allaine, Sarah McNeilly, Illma Gore, Ashley Walters, & Chloe Black. There's evidence that they're lying or exaggerating events.
I think when talking about false accusations they missed the fact that false accusations make it even more difficult to believe and prove true accusations.
This is why the mee too movement is focused on displaying all accusations as true...
@Turbo Turlet Feminism is literally "the advancement of women's rights based on equality of genders". It actually doesn't care for men's rights, it was never meant to.
@@uchegodslove585 Yeah that's the problem, when a women stands up for herself and help other women, men automaticly think they're considered as anti-male.
Which causes a big misconception. Anyone can be feminist and support men too. Just don't blindly follow the stereotypes when people brings it up.
False accusations don't make true accusations harder to prove. Evidence is evidence. You shouldn't believe anything is true without evidence. What you wrote makes no sense. That's like saying if someone lies about being punched in the face then that makes other victims of punches harder to prove they were punched. It doesn't follow. I think the most skipped over aspect in the false accusation problem are the falsely accused who don't get nearly enough coverage of their pain.
This ended up being one of the most divided video on this series but yet with one of the calmest endings. Respect!
I think the pro side didn't help their case except for the bigger guy. There was a lot of changing topics and obfuscation.
yea they ended with a good question!
Aaron a lot of us feel the same way about the anti side. Using small, rare circumstances to ignore the big picture and dismiss sexual assault in both women and men
Even from personal experience. Sharing experiences can bring people together despite their differences. I think they know that they all want to help the world to be a better place, they just have a different opinion on how.
I feel like this topic is so nuanced, you can't really go say all the way on one side. But the thing we can all agree is if someone is sexually assaulting someone they should be brought to justice regardless of gender and class.
It is nuanced but as a guy, I’m pro me-too because women can now speak up more easily with sex and men can be more verbally consensual.
Social media should not be the judge, jury and executioner. However, Justice system should be changed.
Ayan m women can’t assault or rape men, unless a weapon is used.
The difference is both sides want that, but only one side actually wants to protect the innocent.
Inebriatd women don’t speak up because history has shown that the legal system is not always in a victim’s favor. women have always been harassed, the me too movement didn’t suddenly cause an increase that makes zero sense. it only seems that way because women and victims in general are no longer silent
Every person who lied about being a victim needs to go to jail
I think saying pro and anti me too movement is wrong, because none seem to be against the movement, just instead against how far it has gone
Late comment but this is so amazingly accurate I am stuned.
@J C yes and the movement shouldn't be a witch hunt, it was never meant to go that far.
This sort of thing happens to (I believe) every movement ever. Feminism, BLM and even Climate Change movements all started out with pure good intentions, but many start to commit criminal acts and do so under the name of these movements. One good example is how BLM rioters (I called them so because they were not peaceful) and even looters were damaging property and even loot unprotected shops while the protests were ongoing. Like in CNN headquarters, rioters broke their property and at one point even threw hazardous items (some even blowing up like a firework) at police who were stopping them from entering the building.
I know these movements had genuine intentions to call for change for the benefit of society, but there are those who commit crime under their names and thus ruin their reputation.
Wrong. I’m against it. It’s a twisted mess of hate, anger and misplaced emotion. Filled with vile people. Stealing money from people. Nup. Fark that movement.
@@n00bKen who are you really angry with 😂 your only talking about BLM not femenism or climate change
People who false accuse deserve consequences‼️‼️
AmiriahKaite yes it is illegal, it’s also lying under oath if taken to court.
caca xoxo yes it would because most of the time lack of evidence equals false
if a person is found guilty of falsely accusing another person of rape, they deserve the same prison sentence as a rapist.
If you falsely accuse you should be registered as a sex offender
caca xoxo You have to look at it through the eyes of the law because the moment you stop you lose the middle ground and the system which is set in stone and then it turns into well I think this and I think this if people go to court knowing they won’t win and they don’t even if the person they were accusing is guilty it’s their fault because they knew it wouldn’t work
The girl with glasses calling victims of “leering” survivors is pretty insulting to the actual victims of an assault that severely threatened the victims life.
I know right they think someone touching their back is equivalent to being raped. it’s ridiculous.
@TheShrimpyTomato Sorry this is so off topic but that's Bill Vicar in your avatar photo!!! I LOVE him, I'm learning ASL from him right now (If you dont know who he is I'm going to be embarrassed lol ignore me if you don't get it)
WaresTheWolf don’t worry, I know who he his. I love him too
@Ceylon Blue thats only fair, because rapes dont happens directly, it starts with touch. and strictness will lessen the chances of it. males gets assaulted way less than females , so obviously there will be difference in magnitude of measures.
@@zeuxlaught2797 men are raised to pretend to be way stronger than they actually are. The are given super masculine blueprints that they are expected to follow. Being weak, or admitting that someone hurt them, goes against what so many men are taught. Just because not as many men appear in statistics of sexual assault, doesn't mean they don't exist.
Don’t believe all women, don’t believe all men, believe all the actual victims regardless of gender!
We shouldn't believe the victims we should believe the evidence or a lack of it.
@@kordellswoffer1520 Yes!
Smart people here. I love it 😁
Instead of believing, HEAR them
@@Forit26 we do hear them but we can't do anything more then that unless proven.
She was conflicting a “false accusation” with an acquittal due to lack of evidence.
*conflating (different meaning and pronunciation)
What's the difference in the courts eyes? You only know if they confess lol
Yea. That was a factual error that bothered me that no one pushed back on. There are instances of evidence being found that verifies an accusation of being false. False accusations are not simply accusations with insufficient evidence.
@@bdonovable The statistics on provably false allegations is very close to that of provably true allegations. The vast majority are unable to be proved either way and are not counted in false allegation statistics. Though some wilfully misleading graphics out there equate them with guilty people that went free (when there is no way of confirming guilt or innocence)
"OR 😳"
Telling a man they're experience "doesn't happen" is exactly the type of invalidation of experience that started this movement.
Exactly, the cognitive dissonance in some of these people is baffling. It can only happen to me it can’t happen to you.
Well i dont think what she said was right but she did say ”that doesn’t happen so often” not ”that doesn’t happen”
@@martas0108if I said "murder of children statistically doesn't happen often." would that not be instantly vilified? just because a certain crime happens less often than another crime doesn't make it less serious, less tragic, and it's absolutely ironic and hypocritical that those asking to look at power dynamics, and relationship dynamics, and to seek justice after an injustice happened, ARE the very same ones who deny that in the pursuit of justice, injustice can happen. that when they say, sure, there are evil men doing evil things, but let us make sure that we don't take out good men, and then they say that doesn't happen, you're either intellectually dishonest, or you don't know your side as well as you think you do. that's why there is due process. plus she said that after she knew that she messed up, and that's not entirely true either. plus it entirely misses her point of that just as she makes the point of standing up against those who say "that doesn't happen" she SAYS "that doesn't happen."
Of course it happens and it's dispicable. The problem is, it doesn't happen nearly as often as some people would like to make it seem, and is often used as a way to discredit women who report sexual assault and rape.
@@perfumaphilia3246 I agree. I just don't think that makes it right to invalidate someone's experience.
Did she just say that a “False Accusation” is just an incomplete investigation?
@Actual MGTOW this should be the new official definition of feminist
Brandon Moore yeah. She is just thinking politically.
Yes because that exists. If a woman coming out 20 years later that she was raped but doesn't have much evidence because it happened a long time ago. So men can be acquitted because lack of evidence but she did acknowledge that some are truly false accusations.
Yes, during the times of the Inquisition villagers used to throw a handcuffed suspect of sorcery to the river, if the witch didn't drown then was a signal she was innocent. However, the witch always ended up drowning.
so very often accusations that do not lead to prosecutions are referred to as false accusations. the same person, one moment later did acknowledge that false allegations happen but that the prevalence is inflated.
If you're pro MeToo, you should be anti false accuser too. Because it's one of the reason that can cause a distrust to women even if she's actually a victim
Women ain't the only victim here. People think that when you get falsely accused that's it, you just have to prove your innocence. People say "I'd rather be falsely accused" yeah? Try being that in a community of people who know you. If you get falsely accused they'll tear your house, theyll beat you up, and they'll even rape you to know how it feels, but you'll be innocent. So you'll be raped, but everyone will wish you were dead.
ruins mens life’s along w the real victims life’s. it’s insanely selfish to ignore the factual evidence that false accusations happen just as much (if not more) than factual accusations.
They end with the usual sorts of comments "We seem to agree on more than we realize"... but this was the most divided video I've seen in this series. They were nearly completely split on each question asked.
Yuup and then it leaves the viewer who doesn't know what to think confused and unsure
It leaves u to form ur opinion, which is much better than being told than this is right or wrong as most are more nuanced than we would like to admit
I’d say the scientists vs flatearthers was the most divided
There are some topics where 'middle ground' boils down to a literal opinion and supporters of that opinion. But above all, respect and communication.
MeToo is a very personal, sensitive and complex topic that really challenges who we are as a species, what we're capable of, and what we can do. Getting agreements just like that seems so farfetched.
There was respect in this video and I think that's great middle ground itself. At least they tried. We don't have to stop trying.
I think it's because the groups were overtly based on opinions this time rather than identities. Sometimes a group based on identity like gay people, laywers, artists will have different opinions than each other but how can groups based on shared opinion have different opinions than each other? The only place where they can come together in episodes like these are shared experience.
"false accusations happen"
"that is not true"
Johnny Depp: *shocked pikachu face*
Neymar JR: also shocked pikachu face
And Jimmy Tarbuck, and Cliff Richard, and all the others too
James-Andrew Sarmiento yeah that’s such a bad response. I remember during the Jessie Smolliet thing getting into fights with people who now claim “hate crimes never really happen”. That is such a crazy blanket statement. People do evil things. If you believe someone is capable of rape or violence you should also be open to the idea that someone can lie.
@John Smith did anyone else notice how the anti people are citing facts and studies, and the pro women and just talking about feelings?
Yes.
As a pro me too I am disgusted by false allegations, also because it takes away the voice of real victims.
Preach, Michael Scott.
yes preach Michael scott
Thank you Michael Scarn
Yes
For real same
I’m disappointed that the black woman said “that does not happen” when I’m sure she’s heard of Emmett Till
Emmett Till wasn’t really accused of anything illegal tho, he was originally accused of whistling and was murdered for it.
I have so much disdain for people who used this movement to falsely accuse someone and make it more difficult to believe and prove true accusations.
*Cough* Amber Heard
Nicolaus Volentius and who said they didn’t...
Well it is a good thing that they are a tiny minority
Nicolaus Volentius Gotta love the assumption that just because people are speaking out about false accusation cases, they suddenly don’t care about those being sexually assaulted and/or raped.
Not sure if you know this, but these aren’t exclusive. There’s a possibility that a person could care about and hold disdain for both.
@@EddyWriter_ A huge case was Brian Banks, a star football player coming out of high school who was falsely accused and completely ruined his football career.
False accusations DO happen. A friend of mine was accused of Rape and thrown out of school, when later multiple text conversations proved it was completely consensual before and after. Still was never allowed back in college, life ruined.
Just like rapists, people who make false accusations need to be held accountable because they’re all abusers.
Shaun Sharted I agree
DudleyIsDumb I thought it was interesting that the the anti me too people aren’t saying women haven’t been abused or rapes don’t happen. Just that some accusations might not be as credible.
It’s ok Bubbs🤓
DudleyIsDumb for all she knew your friend could have changed the world, but he might not now
this reminds me of a trend on tiktok rn where people share their sexual assault stories and it has made me realize how many victims are male so please don't invalidate men's experiences or anyone based on their gender this happens to everyone!!
It happens to us but we take it to the grave.
@@Toxic2T If it happened to me i wouldn't give a fuck because nobody would believe me and i would be ruined because the image of me being a false accuser would stay forever
Inkeptis well based on what you said it didn't happen to you so i don't think you can say "i wouldn't give a fuck" it's kind of disrespectful. replying to the rest: that's why i made this comment to tell everyone that it's important to sympathize with all victims.
Nicolas T i hope that soon society becomes a place where everyone is able to comfortably share their experience with this (hopefully none) and get justice.
That is correct ❤️
Ovi: t h a t d o e s n o t h a p p e n
Johnny Deep: 👁👄👁
So sad what happened to him 😔
who the fuck is johnny deep????
@@aaliyahmedina128 Captain jack sparrow
@@aaliyahmedina128 johnny depp*
@@Forit26, maybe you should have corrected the original commenter instead
Blaire said it the best "comparing rape to leering is insulting" people that have been raped cannot be compared to a person who was looked at in a certain way
Amanda Heuskin Agreed 100%. The two should never be compared. It’s thoroughly demeaning to rape victims. One is a seriously heinous crime, the other is morally reprehensible behaviour, bordering on harassment if it gets far enough.
This used to be common sense.
Dean Green yes! Agreed the two are very different
Edward Fala yea common sense seems to have gone out the window for a lot of people lol
She tried to rape our common sense with that one of several lines thrown out by the me too movement panel. Smh
People like the girl who said that “doesn’t happen” are the people who ruin what the movement could do by saying things like that
The League of Assassin's movement or as you call it "MeeToo" That movement did more than enough, think about how many men this League has already killed? It is insane, and not a single woman was killed 🤯
She also said that looking at someone in an uncomfortable way and rape are the same thing.
@j I don't think he said his life was ruined.
@j considering how crazy political correctness in the states is, I won't be surprised if it was.
@@Samon187 it's a goddamn shame.
They guy who said “it’s not about women it’s about power” was so right. It’s about power. Women hurt men too. It’s over looked and not reported because the sexual assault of men is played as a joke.
@CookieDough Dude what? Why are you trying to turn this into a "who is the bigger victim" game?
When I got abused, it was treated far less seriously because I am a male, even though I was under the age of 10; and nothing was done.
Cori Ambler That’s what I was thinking! Most rape isn’t because of the outfits someone is wearing, or how they’re acting or even pleasure, it’s about power. I’m not saying that those aren’t reasons people do get raped for, but a big majority is all about power.
@@eliwhitney7038 sorry to hear that
Terry Crews out right said that he was sexually assaulted by a Hollywood executive out right in the public eye so a man can in fact can be sexually assaulted by a female
I was appalled when she said “that doesn’t happen”. Last year I was falsely accused out of spite, and my entire life changed as a result. Financially Im better and in a better place mentally, but I have this overbearing anxiety that hangs over me every night.
Sorry that happened to you
She added to the end “not that often” I think that was the key a lot of ppl missed and wasn’t highlighted
Stay strong champ
People absolutely get falsely accused. I'm not saying we should throw the movement out entirely, but to say that doesn't happen is crazy!
I think that the Me Too movement had good intentions, but I don't think that putting women over men in value because of the idea that men don't suffer is right.
@@foolslayer9416 Do people say that men don't suffer? If that's true it's sad and sexist.
RobinFlysHigh it barely ever happens and y’all love to bring this point up when it’s not as relevant as the actual cases where women are actually assaulted
Fool Slayer who said that men don’t get assaulted
It does happen, but the problem is when people take this and begin to doubt every person that steps forward because some are false accusations. People forget about all the real cases that happen because they get sidetracked by the rare false accusations. False accusations do happen, but they are rare.
My little brother was falsely accused of sexual assault by an older women living with his girlfriend. He was arrested, spent a day in jail, and had to stand trial.
Jury took less than 15 minutes to rule not guilty on all charges.
What happened to the accuser?
Red Alexios lol, good one
Glad that everything worked out
@@mystiiic7848 no, he was humiliated and had to spend a night in prison while the woman was let off free, this is not working out.
Women and men that do this should be seriously punish for doing this.
"False accusations don't happen"
*Johnny Depp has entered the room
Daaam.....I forgot about that.
Lmao
Exactly smh
*MJ has entered the room*
scarymovies What was he falsely accused of?
This just shows that people need to learn what consent is from a young age!
YES
THIS!!!💯
Armaan Premjee
False accusations ruined his life.
This just shows that people shouldn't falsely accuse anyone of sexual harassment or sexual assault. We need to teach people NOT to falsely accuse someone of something. It goes both ways.
@@AJohnsonJr that is what the original poster is saying. Teaching consent can work for both ways.
"That doesnt happen."
*Shocked face*"
OK it could happen."
*Eyeroll into the back of my skull*
Yancke van Tonder you see this is one of the best comments ever made in this video, you deserve a Grammy 😆
Now change it to "ok it could happen and *did* happen"
i gOt tHe mEmE
what she meant was that it isn't common
I would’ve walked out honestly. The amount of anger I’d have in person I’d have to leave
That was ignorant on that young women's part to say that false accusations do not happen.
I think she just meant their rare
I've noticed so many women in these comments acknowledging her comment, say of course false accusations occur and she was wrong to say that. So far, in my scrolling, I haven't seen any men commending the positive aspects of these conversations and acknowledging victims stories. This is not an attack on you, just an observation. It almost feels like women have to work overtime to meet men on their point of view, and a lot of them won't even acknowledge a victim's.
@@lilyjohnson9216 that's because it's already universal that victims have been wronged, it's fairly a new concept to idiots that many people lie about rape
@@lol349 thats not true either
@Big The Cat that’s not true
It was started with good intentions. The movement was hijacked and is hyper-focused on males and not predators. I'm not going to just believe women, because everyone is capable of lying. What I support is never dismissing women (or anyone). Take the accusations seriously then INVESTIGATE the situation impartially. When someone is accused of sexual assault, they run a high risk of being stigmatized whether they be innocent or not.
Let's see some evidence
Agreed. It's the same with many of the current social justice movements. They start out with good ideas and intentions, but get hijacked by emotionally unstable people and opportunists. A lot of these social justice movements are just misguided to begin with - they often don't define the problem they are protesting adequately. It seems most of these movements are really just about equality in their best form. It follows then, that the best way to approach these issues is to make them about equality first and foremost (i.e. being treated equal under the law and in society). The constant identity driven movements are just leading to society's increasing fragmentation. The Critical Theory approach is destroying the country and offers very little in the way of actual solutions. It's just a never ending critique of society. If we really want to change things, we need to find a way to criticize and improve systems without devaluing people in the process. However, that would take a much more sophisticated and intelligent populace.
@@scratchpenny lol i was thinking of blm the whole time i was reading your comment
Yup, that's why it is such a difficult thing. I struggle so much with both sides, when anyone comes forward about sexual assault, it's a serious issue. Yet at the same people lie, so much..too much and about the most serious things. My own brother was wrongfully accused by a girl, my brother is one of the sweetest most respectful guys I know. And he has to be registered as a sex offender the rest of his life. I want justice for those who were actually raped and sexually assaulted but I have a harder time now as time passes seeing more false allegations and ruining innocent people's lives. So many men lost their lives being wrongfully accused. Its such a sad topic.
I hope one day it will be illegal to be a feminist and all feminists who propagate misandry get trialed charged with hate crimes.
My father was falsely accused of rape and non consensual contact. The system went off of hearsay with absolutely no evidence or investigation. The woman he was with then came out and said she did give him consent and she manufactured a false story and was just upset with him. My father just got out of prison, this happened 6 years ago. He lost his job, our house, the ability to see my brothers. During that time, my grades dropped in school, I was in a deep depression and it made me lose my trust in the justice system as a whole. The fact my entire family was destroyed because "Always believe the victim" boggles my mind. I cannot believe this gender biased backward system. It ruined my fathers life, it ruined all of us..
Sorry what your dad went through but if "everyone always believed the 'victim'" then more rapists would be in prison right now, which is far from the case.
r/thathappened
@@edithputhy4948 r/yourmom
@soup I understand that completely. Being a victim myself, I'm in no way attempting to undermine or downplay anyone speaking out. It's the lack examination and perception of a case is what bothers me. Even the idea of people actively exploiting that flaw, then putting real victims and innocent people at risk boils my blood.
A reckless and hypocritical judicial system that has failed me and my family on multiple accounts is a travesty. A life destroyer.
Sorry about your dad that’s pretty mess up I cannot imagine the pain and sadness you’ve felt when this happen to you and your family, I hear so many cases and many like yours and it’s generally heartbreaking.
“That doesn’t happen”
Emmit Till and The Central Park Five have entered the chat.
Sam Knight hold up, the victim in the Central Park Five didn’t accuse the 5 boys of raping and nearly killing her; that was the police 🙄 it’s not really a good comparison.
@@jacencko011 regardless of that, nobody is gonna believe a black man over a white women period point blank the fuckin end unless there is a shitload of evidence to save the black man.
AQUAPHREESH193 you must live in the South if you think that were i live it could be possible that the whole jury could happen to be all black
brain banks, duke lacrose team etc
Scottsboro boys have entered the chat
False accusations ruin lives. Her saying “it does not happen” was extremely disrespectful. I have extremely personal experience with this exact situation and it has truly ruined our lives.
It happens at the high school level too. One of my best guy friends was bullied for his entire Junior year due to false allegations. He had to go to court for months and it affected his learning. Additionally, in my school a boy got expelled. Again, on a lie.
@@sophiatroanska1432 thats problem even the women in glasses sayin i fear false accusation cuz the police couldn't find evidence ... how about false accusation cuz of lies like thats problem with the me too mvmnt they are blinded with rage they just want to make ppl guilty and every women is a victim which is not its innocent till proven guilty not guilty till proven innocent ..
Amber Heard got johnny Depp fired and ruined his life with false accusations. She even taunted him over it as revealed in recordings. That's some powerful female privilege.
It has happened to me also but you need so much proof to prove your innocent
Female privilege man
“That does not happen”. SIS YES TF IT DOES.
FlossyEss Central Park five, Brian McKnight, Emmitt till, Cuba Jr and the list goes on and on
Tre' Roney I am talking about when the black girl said “that does not happen”. It’s literally the first clip😂
FlossyEss I was adding to what you were saying
Lol All her gender even _does_ is lie
Tre' Roney Lol same page same page.
I was SA by my son’s father. I have a recording of him confessing everything even why he did it. I have texts after asking how he could do it with my son in the room. I had a giant slit across my back from him “accidentally” cutting me with a knife during the assault. After a couple months of speaking to a detective my case was thrown out due to not enough evidence. The system is broken. I cannot imagine how many people have been failed.
If someone falsely accuses someone of rape, the accuser should absolute be punished.
The falsely accused should sue the accuser
@@nikki37ize agreed
it is called defamation, huge no no, they can be sued for a big sum of money.
@Mae Mccormack cuz they generally don't especially if the accuser is female there's been numerous of cases where they actually protect the females identity from being released because they didn't want to destroy her life after she destroys someone else's
@Mae Mccormack they don’t a lot and when they do it’s usually considered a misdemeanor
the fact that she had the nerve to say "that does not happen" can we just bring up the johnny depp situation for a second. let's not invalidate victims for our own gain. i don't care what gender they are.
idk what she was on does she think that females aren't capable of lying and destroying lives for their own gain?
Claire Ann he literally still gets to be in movies, he was the face of a brand during his accusations. A lot of people stood by him and I think now that we see more evidence of what happened between them it’s allowed us to have an introspective conversation on power balances in relationships. There are many dynamics that we should know about
Claire Ann yes, yes, and yes
J8599 yes, but a lot of people boycotted The Crimes of Grindelwald because they were angry at J. K. Rowling.
J8599 he literally lost his role as jack sparrow because of these false allegations...
My dad was falsy accussed by my mom that he did something to me. The entire neighborhood to this day will believe her over me the supposed victim. He was terrified of being around my female friends alone for a while. This was back in 2012 even before me too go so big
Weeb Life that’s so fucked and I hope you’ve gone to higher powers that be, to try and clear him of that death sentence
hello sunshine lol, thankfully the death sentence is pretty rare for scenarios like that. Still, the punishment could be pretty severe so I hope the OP sorted that all out
@@evo683 There was no death sentence, but the cops questioned me, my mom, and my sister and I told them it didn't happen of course, which of course would make it incredibly hard to make any court case (if it had gone to court) since the supposed victim is absolutely denying it, so ya know. She tried to get a restraining order soon after the accusation but that failed since she had no proof and luckily after the school year ended (this happened in March) I was able to move in with my dad. He was lucky that I wasn't younger when it happened, but it taught me how cruel some women can be from an early age.
@@weeblife8657 I'm glad it didn't turn out bad for your dad.
Being tried and punished in the community without any evidence at all would be terrifying to an innocent man. This is why there HAS to be a law against releasing the accused OR the accuser's name or face publicly until after the trial. And even then IF the accused is found guilty.
But I feel like I need to ask, why would your father EVER need to be alone with one of your friends at all? And why would that scenario be a thing that is happening often enough that he was terrified of it? Also, if he only abstained from being alone with your friends "for a while", well that 100% seems like a really poor decision on his part. he could be falsely accused again at any time by any of their parents. Not worth it.
Another huge problem with false accusations is that means it spends less time on the people who actually are a victim
I actually got an email from my university to do this survey from the Australian study Sydney referenced, and I can confirm many questions were along the lines of “I have felt uncomfortable when a male has stared at me too long” or “people have used language or words around me that made me feel uncomfortable” etc.
I remember looking at the results and being baffled that they lumped all of those prompts in with genuine sexual assault.
That's how feminists get their ridiculous statistics, by manipulating the truth
Um, because being called a hot piece of *** or being leered at by a group of young guys when you're just trying to get home on the subway is the kind of thing that makes women feel unsafe. Is that really so hard to understand?
@@thundercloud755 it's still 👏 not 👏 the 👏same 👏
@@abbiiON Did the survey explicitly say they were the same? Or are they talking about the generally unsafe environment that some people create for women when they leave the house? Or are they talking about the things women rationally fear will (and do) lead up to assault?
The issue people have is the report only stated that 1.6% of the 30,000 students who took the survey reported being sexually assaulted but 21% reported being sexually harassed at some point in 2015.
The media used the latter statistic in a misleading manner to promote the “1 in 5 women gets ASSAULTED on campus” statement. Also, similar to what was discussed in the video, you would expect “harassment” to encompass being told extremely horrible or sexist things but instead it puts those on par with “someone looked at you for too long” which doesn’t even define malicious intent.
The entire thing was carelessly unclear and vague which is why journalists took advantage of that.
Me too movement needs to bring the same energy for Johnny Depp. The news media seems to be sleeping ... but that's not tea for me to spill
Mz Kegz it’s against their narrative, not to mention it actually bring into question the cancel culture, inequality in justice, due process and problems with the movement. Something as the video partially indicates that is ignored until it’s unavoidable.
Mz Kegz 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
They don't care about men
Let's look at Johnny Depp & Amber Heard. All she had was a photo of a bruise, 2 witnesses of aftermath & her word & majority of people instantly believed her. This led to Johnny Depp losing roles, most notably Jack Sparrow, and his reputation being somewhat destroyed. Whereas Amber became the face of MeToo & has been featured in blockbuster film. Yet when Johnny came forward with multiple photos, texts, videos & audio majority of people still didn't believe him. It is only after an audio of Amber admitting to being physical that a lot of people have changed their tune. We all know the fact that is
"It is impossible to win an argument against ignorant people"
That was an abusive relationship
Ochocinco and Evelyn lozada
@Rose Jones so what. Some people take out frustrations on objects but never physically abusing people
@Rose Jones Are you a mind reader? Abusive relationships do have two types. Physical and emotional. Physical can be proven with evidence. Emotional is a different beast. I have been the victim of both. Unless you can read minds, you can not say that someone is emotionally abused. There are signs that suggest that they are, but it is very hard to prove. Anyone that has been emotionally abused doesn't want to be in the spotlight. They don't want to be the face of anything. If they do, that puts a huge red flag up saying they are lying. I don't really know the case your talking about, but from what I have read here, I seriously doubt Johnny Depp was guilty of being abusive. Sounds more like both of them was into kinky stuff and once they stopped, she wanted game and used the situation to get it.
@Rose Jones The thing is, you still had one abuser, the physical one - not the emotional one, being praised and held on a pedastal and the other was first shunned and still hasn't been given any kind of positive recognition.
The biggest thing in this that upset me was the guy saying “why are we sending our daughters to school when there’s a 1 in 5 chance that they will be sexually harassed/assaulted?” when the real question is why are our sons being sent to school with the belief that these behaviours are acceptable”
EXACTLY THANK YOU
how many parents do you think believe that their son has raped or is capable of raping somebody?
@@purplesnowmon regardless it shouldn’t be “protect girls from the problem” it should be “let’s deal with the problem”. Ignorance may be bliss but it’s not an excuse.
He was showing why those figures have been debunked.
@@bruhbutwhytho I know this is anecdotal but I’m 4’8, overweight, shy and very much a homebody and in no way considered conventionally attractive. I grew up in a “safe” neighbourhood yet I’ve had 2 attempted abductions in my teens (one walking the less than 10 minutes in broad daylight to a friends and the other walking with a friend to school) I’ve also been a victim of domestic violence that included sexual assault as a young adult and numerous sexual harassment (cat calling, sleazy advances that don’t take no for an answer etc) so if all that happens to someone like me what the hell is happening to more outgoing (more likely to attend parties and social events) and conventionally attractive young women. Men certainly experience sexual assault but the fact is women experience it at a much higher rate.
As a pro me too, I hate the fact that there are people who abuse the movement. However now that I am 6 months into the future and more educated I know that hardly any cases are actually false and so whenever the metoo movement is brought up false cases are always thrown in their face which is only to silence them. In conclusion false cases hardly ever happen so they shouldn’t be the first thing you think of when you think of the movement. That is you projecting ur own insecurities and trying to silence survivors. Not only that but the fact that ppl are worried more about the fact that false accusations are happening than the actual victims is disgusting and proves that ppl are trying to paint the movement as an abuse of power as they cannot deal with being painted as the bad guys that they are
Jaciara Correia honestly
Well it is on you, to call them out. If I follow a movement and see some frauds, I call them out.
@Levi Doneson true
Jaciara Correia as a sexual assault victim, I feel I get a say. I was sexually assaulted by two older woman. I am a woman myself. So where does the logic apply in that? If we are supposed to believe all woman, then which woman do we believe? The one that assaulted me, or me, the one who got assaulted. I’m mad that the two older girls didn’t get jail time, but I don’t believe in blindly believing all sexual assault “victims”. There is more people who are going to abuse the MeToo then to actually use it. You can easily ruin someone’s life. I will not support MeToo and never will. Am I mad I didn’t get justice? Yes! But it’s better than believing everyone who claims to be assaulted, even if it’s not true. Our system has always been “innocent until proven guilty” and it shouldn’t be changed because we are supposed to believe all woman, even if they are proven wrong.
James Hedrick
It wasn’t meant to be and that’s fairly obvious
I'm surprised how no one is talking about Johnny Depp
This was probably recorded a while before it came out
@@RosieHip24 I mean, people had been talking about how there was plenty to say Amber was the one who was the abuser, even when she initially accused him, what, one or two years ago? It just wasn't brought up to the public, and it took her literally having a recording of admitting it for people to believe his side.
Wait what happened to him)
@@choose_happyxo Amber unwittingly admitted that it was her abusing Johnny Depp. She hit him with all kinds of household items, even cut off part of his finger, and when he was going to the police, she purposefully hurt herself and said she was the one being abused. Because of how the system is rigged against male victims of abuse, HE was the one who was arrested, lost his movie contracts, etc. She laughed her way to the bank and took his money in the divorce.
Hayley•Williams•Paramore Now, he’s suing her for the divorce settlement to be “erased”. Like, he’s not even going after more, just wants it gone. The transcripts are public now.
"False accusations don't happen"
Melanie Martinez: uhh...
Johnny Depp: hm...
Winky _ literally!!!!!!
How do you know Johnny Depp was falsely accused?
The fact that Amber Heard abused him in no way proves he DIDN'T also abuse her. And there is mounting evidence in the UK trial suggesting that he did. So this whole 'Amber Heard definitely falsely accused' Johnny Depp' meme is doing the exact same thing, just in reverse.
If you believe false accusation is a terrible thing, you need to be very careful not to do it yourself.
@@tobymcinnis7031 Well Amber Heard has previous history of domestic violence, which isn't the most interesting thing about it's the fact that she's a spokesperson for anti-domestic violence but you're a white knight i'm sure there's nothing women can do to put you off, so I wont really bother.
Winky _ Walt what’s this about Melanie Martinez
Timothy didn’t even file a real police report and ppl were hating on Mel for no reason
"That doesn't happen."
Emmitt Till, Scottsboro Boys, Central Park 5, Duke Lacrosse, Aziz Ansari, Seneca Valley high school, Amber Heard and Johnny Depp scandal, Jemma Beale, Big Brother UK, Mattress Girl, BIG BROTHER UK false assault......
False rape allegations do happen, but false sexual harassment allegations happen even more.
“I’ve been falsely accused of sexual assault but also believe all women”
Is no one gonna talk about the guy on the me too side saying he’s had a false accusation hahaha
Colin G you could tell he didn’t know wtf to say lmao! He didn’t seem like he knew much of anything in this topic
I think Slim there is one of these slippery guys who hopes for/is gaming for some "mercy" by simping hard. There are many of those. I know the type well, they will talk to your beloved ones behind your backs trying to get in between.
Fr tho like he's playing it off cause he got lucky
Colin G I honestly thought he had some amazing points
I’ve also been falsely accused and it was horrible. But that’s because the perosn who did it was manipulative and toxic not because they’re just a woman caught up in the me too movement
@@peaches3835 Yes, that's a perfectly good point. It's not that women or the me too movement itself are a problem, it's the "believe all women" mentality which enables that specific subset of manipulative women to ruin someone's life without evidence, or in some cases (like the Feibleman case) in the face of good evidence to the contrary.
"false accusation are accusations without evidence"
"It could be a lie"
"ORRRRRR"
She's insane!!! I love how she's trying to redefine words to fit her narrative. Ik so many guys who lives are ruined from false accusations because some people refuse to believe the evidence 😥😥😣
I mean she was not wrong about that fact that a false accusation could also be a accusation without sufficient evidence. This is not to say that people can't lie about these things. Obviously there are some lies going around which lead to false accusations.
@@marisatheuglybitch8584 I'm not saying she's wrong, just the way she said or was really aggressive haha
HER EYES WHEN SHE SAID IT OMG
that was so hard to watch
I don’t know why the anti side didn’t move forward when they asked if the justice system handled assault cases fairly. Being falsely accused and incarcerated is injustice lol
I think it was because the question was so vague like they were debating among themselves what exactly the context was before the people who stepped forward started talking
I mean, the fact that people get falsely accused doesn't necessarily mean that it's an issue in the system perse. Not that I think there isn't a problem in the justice system, but these are not necessarily the same things
I think they were wondering in what context but I assume they believe it is especially since that one woman said her court case was completely thrown out because of some mans religion which is so unfair.
If you listen closely, you can hear Sydney ask in what circumstances
@@ironmaiden93ofangmar Their actually is an issue with the justice system...
False accusations should be punished just as hard as actual rape cases
I’m pro me too BUT false accusations definitely happen!!! I wish the me too side was more open to that because them becoming defensive/simply denying that possibility made all their other arguments seem weak :((
Maybe repeat episode with other speakers..
They account for 5 to 10 percent if I’m correct. That still doesn’t invalidate the false accusations though
@@mooncake6308 Those are the ones proven false, but the rest aren't exactly proven true either, so it can be way more than that
@@mooncake6308 Did you take account the millions of men who are still in their wrongly?
@@tonyonaperky2128 yeah they account for 2 percent, did you take into account the amount of actual assailants that are roaming free?
That's the problem with a movement that gives one category of the population power which can easily be abused. It can and should never work.
Neutral comment: me too is a necessary movement but we need to remove anti-men rhetoric
Best comment here, I'm a man and most men would agree with this believe it or not. The problem is that this movement is tied almost directly to that rhetoric present day
Yes👏 exactly
you👏are👏 correct 👏
lol nope. It's called a witch hunt. You can't fix that.
MeToo would have worked better if the message was to take all women seriously instead of believe all women. Obviously you can't instantly believe everyone but you can take them seriously and hear them out.
“That does not happen.” Cmon how are you supposed to have a conversation if your mentality towards the other side is “your wrong” I feel like some people are just hurting really bad causing them to be bias but you have to realize there’s men out there being falsely accused but there’s also men being rightfully accused.
- ItzMocha - letting the guilty go free is far less bad than punishing the innocent.
@@markneillmusic9082 actually both are bad
I mean, it is somewhat true though. False accusations happen with far less frequency than those concerned about it think it occurs, and actual assaults happen with greater frequency than those on either side seem to think. Continually bringing up “well, what about false accusations!” when the false accusations very rarely actually occur doesn’t really add much to conversation
@@markneillmusic9082 but then the person who created the false accusation IS the guilty one, and at that point you then punish the victim and reward the guilty party
@@markneillmusic9082 that's the basis for America's criminal justice system. The reason it's SUPPOSED to be innocent until PROVEN guilty.
We have numerous stories of people being wrongfully imprisoned. As an individual with a darker complexion... this is a new source of concern on top of the many others.
Letting guilty individuals go free is less harmful than imprisoning people wrongfully. Anyone that disagrees should try going to jail for 5 years because of something they weren't involved in then rethink their position when they come out. There's plenty of people that would love for you to take their place if you feel so strongly about it...
Considering leering and rape to be under the same "sexual assault" umbrella term is just an insult to any victims- whomever they may be.
As a victim of both, I can safely say I'm not insulted at all. Why would I be?
That Ranting Girl Because the repercussions for leering being the same as those for rape should not be the same. One is a heinous crime and the other is perhaps morally reprehensible, bordering on harassment should it go overboard. Not forcefully attacking someone and having sex with them is it.
Sydney lied about that study, she gets money for spewing reactionary propaganda
@@deangreen2567 the repercussions for it aren't the same though? Sexual assault is just an umbrella term (though I'm 90% sure that "leering" falls under the sexual harassment umbrella term, not sexual assault. So it's not offensive, just wrong lol). I didn't take it as anyone suggesting that the punishment should be the same, just that they're both harmful in the same ways
@@thatrantinggirl7376
"they're both harmful in the same ways"
Really? Looking at a person and raping them are "harmful in the same ways"?
This is why reasonable people can't take this movement seriously.
A great example is the Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard case, people just took what Amber Heard said to face value without any proof, because of that it almost destroyed Johnny Depp's career when in fact Amber Heard was the person abusing Johnny Depp
@lemonssssssss4 hahaha
I’m glad there’s justice for him now.
This aged like a fine wine
@@ihavegamerleg that was a lie spread by amber and is in fact not true. johnny always took his roles very seriously. he lost his roles because he got canceled and productions no longer wanted to associate with him.
@@moneybadger2544 And without any evidence before that lost all work except Dior and Disney said they won’t ever work with him again just from Amber making a allegation yes it still stands today
"False accusations don't happen" EXCUSE ME??? MY BROTHER WAS ACCUSED FALSELY BY A WOMEN THREATENING HIM TO GIVE HER MONEY IF NOT SHE'LL SCREAM RAPE, turned out the landlord was hearing the discussion and helped out later.
Wow!
this reminds me of a story, my sister had some downstairs neighbors that were always arguing. It was terrible and it went on for hours. When I went to visit my sister I asked her if we should call the police but she said not to because the last time someone called them the wife accused her husband of being violent towards her. Everyone knew it was a lie, he was a nice person and the woman was known in the building for being violent towards other people. Everyone always told him that if he ever wanted to leave they would help him but he never did. He was from a different country and was afraid that if he were to get divorced not only would he need to leave, his children would have to stay with her.
What really scares me is what would happen if that landlord wasn't there
Your brother is super lucky! Glad to hear it worked out for him, had that convo not been heard your brothers life would have been ruined.
So gene is okay? Thank god that mr fishoeder helped out!
The problem with today’s society is that everything’s become a competition. Everyone feels attacked the minute they feel like the spotlight is being taken off of them, so when someone else speaks up about something that doesn’t align with their belief/narrative they get defensive and hostile.
Rape is a real problem, false accusations are also a real problem. Rather than trying to turn them into a competition we need to deal with BOTH issues accordingly......
[Edit]: thanks to everyone leaving the nice comments/replies, i hadn’t seen them all till now so apologies for not responding.
Exactly. Competition is too deeply ingrained in society. Some things aren’t meant for competition but are of the same level of importance. Both are very much an issue and I think the law needs to take that into account.
PERIODT
I very much agree
Dude I agree with you
Well said. Any decent person should be equally disgusted by both.
these women ever hear about the star football quarterback who lost his d1 scholarship, his friends and family and life because a woman falsely accused him of rape because he didn't take her to prom. he got out five years later when a screenshot of her admitting she lied was leaked.
Brian Banks?
Or Duke Lacrosse Player Case. Tooth and nail Society and Racist AL Sharpton persecuted those boys. In an easy PI investigation "The Rape Victim" had a history of DOING domestic violence (Stabbing her Partners). She is in jail for MURDERING her last boyfriend
Shawn oakman
Can you come up with more men that has been falsly accused than women who has actually been raped and proven?
@@sagalindhe there are so many professional athletes and regular men who've had their careers tarnished due to false allegations and just because you don't see them on the news doesn't mean it's not happening out there.
As heated as this conversation was, I love how at the end they were all able to come together and share extremely sad, relatable stories and sort of bond in that sense. It was very moving.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SHARE THE LONGER UNCUT VERSIONS!!!! There is so much nuance and important discussion that is getting completely cut off and it’s not fair to the viewers.
The whole point of the channel is to be polite and not one sided, if they did that they would be inviting negativity to their positive channel. Not that I dont want to see those uncut versions too. It's just probabaly not great for their business.
Ya cuz if they would show the uncut version we all know which side is going to make the most sense and "win" the debate
Amara Mast idk I kinda feel they do a good job of being neutral
@@cohenfromdiscord2551 yes. You can tell they cut out a lot when they started talking about Brett Kavanaugh. Blaire and Sydney have both done videos talking about how the women that came forward have since ALL retracted their statements and said they lied because they felt pressured to do so or wanted to make a statement.
@@cohenfromdiscord2551 except for the fact that they use misleading statistics...
I am fine with the movement as long as we don’t just believe the accuser 100% we should take it very seriously and investigate because if it is a false accusation you can ruin someone’s life
Nuance comment = Like
Exactly everything is good in moderation
innocent until proven guilty
Americans should consider their boogeyman. It has merit around this type of issue and it’s what they like to call ‘sHaRiA lAw’. 😆
@@AslemTaslem A woman needing four male witnesses to prove she was rped is merit? FO!
I don’t think that lady understands the word false in false accusation.
The point she was making is that many victims that cant prove their assault are dismissed as liars, which is labelled a false accusation. She just interpreted the prompt is a different way to the rest.
Bex Thompson This might sound really terrible, but often times it’s the persons fault they don’t have evidence because they come out years after the incident happened. We have no way to prove this, so we shouldn’t assume their accusation is truth and ruin the mans life without proper evidence like we do all the time.
@@samuelwhittenburg8742 I honestly agree with you (although I don't think it's that simple for a victim to just be open about their experience shortly after)
@@bex8034 Cases, where there are is not enough evidence to convict, are NEVER labelled false accusations legally. The police/court will only label something as a false accusation if it is PROVEN false.
Samuel Whittenburg Saying it’s their fault just didn’t sit right with me. I know what you’re saying but fault doesn’t seem to be the right word considering the trauma and primal response that is initiated by sexual abuse.
"If you put your hand on a woman's waist--" BRO. Why are you touching someone in the first place?!
He’s using it as an example, stop nit picking
@@flynneveringham5076 that's the point. It shouldn't be an example. Don't touch people without their permission.
I went on trains when I visited Japan and it’s so crowded that it’s basically impossible to not touch someone
@@pagehaunter then we should not talk about rapes too, because rapes are morbid?
@@pagehaunter I think it was meant more like lightly pushing by someone in a crowded place, not in a sexual sense. If he meant it as sexual then it's 1. a shitty example and/or 2. coming from a scummy guy.
hell you can feel the rage on dave's voice when she says "it does not happen"
Probably because Dave acts inappropriately with women but doesn't think he does.
@@Crippycooke nah, i felt my blood boiling for a second too, its highly offensive to just disregard someone else's insecurity
@@Crippycooke what kind of assumption even is that?
Instead of “believe all women” it should be “believe the facts.”
Believe all women ruins many men’s lives through false accusations and allows those who have perpetrated a crime to discredit an accuser because oh look all these “believe all women” cases were false accusations and so is this one. It’s terrible for both sides.
i agree 100%
fuck feelings more facts
in far too many instances, there is not enough access to obtain the facts and that's where the issue lies with this. But I get what you're saying
Queen Versachi Agreed. It’s a very situational crime. Only two people tend to know the absolute truth of what has occurred. That’s precisely why however, it’s open to dishonesty.
Immanuel J Whilst I agree, the problem with believing ‘fact’ is that most cases can’t be backed with evidence. In my personal experience, there was no CCTV, I didn’t even know his name and I could barely see. That just wouldn’t stand in court, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Most sexual assault cases are, ‘he said she said’.
"False accusations don't happen"
*s i s what?*
2 examples:
Johnny Depp
Melanie Martinez
Tupac
Melanies case has been reported false??
@@notonfire7318 yes it has
@@andreabartolucci6152 how??
Shruti Mehta it’s a really long and twisted story so it’s best to look it up but basically, the girl who accused her had a bunch of holes in her story
"that does not happen."
Just take a look at Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard trial
Dave “Anybody that abuses their power should be held accountable”
Yes?
Yay
@1987bigfan how do you know he supports trump? I dont know him so
@1987bigfan A libtard will always find a way to bring up Trump in a conversation that doesn't involve him lmao
Expect the president
People who lie about being assaulted/raped etc, should be given the punishment for which is given to someone who commits the crime. That will deter most women from lying about what happened and we can safely believe more people’s cases
As much as I love this idea... it may never happen.
I agree, however when you say “most women” that implies that false accusations are rampant and happen all the time. In reality, false accusations only make up like 2% of all rape allegations. While I agree that false accusations should be punished, to imply that “most women” would lie about them makes it seem as if most victims coming forward are in some form or the other lying.
That will deter most women, even further, from reporting at ALL. Stop coming to the defense of the few men who are 100% innocent and start listening to victims. This is the same logic that deters black men from arguing their case and not taking the plea deal, for fear of receiving a worse sentence for daring to believe in the justice system. It sounds like you would like victims just sit down and be quiet, though.
Lily Johnson I personally think it’s really simple. If a person comes out and says they lied and that lie causes the loss of financial assets, jobs, degree opportunities, and possibly jail time. Then the person who falsely accused somebody should receive the same punishment. Now if they just can not prove the other person is guilty then no they shouldn’t be punished, it so hard to prove guilt in some of these scenarios so I wouldn’t expect that person to be punished. Now if the falsely accused person can prove he or she wasn’t there at the time and he or she had alibis then the other person should absolutely be punished. We’re talking about ruining someone livelihood.
and a permanent spot on your record stating them as a false-flagger for rape accusations. That way businesses who require a copy of your criminal record will know what kind of of Peter-and-the-wolf person they are interested in hiring.
God that one girl that said false accusations don’t happen pretty much ruined the reputation of the pro me too side; it’s evident in this comments section. :^(
She's the type of girl to charge a man with sexual assault because he wouldn't pay for the date xD
Yea I think once these things are put to light they fall apart that’s why the left is now no longer having public discussion.
@@lel3450 Spot on
please know from a rep of the metoo movement. we completely detest what she said. we know there are false accusations.
It's a reputation that deserves to be ruined.
Did that girl seriously try to say that a false accusation is something other than a lie?
Saying that false accusations don’t happen is simply wrong. However, false accusations shouldn’t undermine the experiences of legitimate survivors.
The failure to punish 'false accusers' in the presence of evidence does.
The request that 'false accusers' not be punished in fear that it would deter 'legitimate' survivors from coming forward does as well.
FYI . Islam give solution to this case. Men and Women should not physically contact outside married. Case solved. lol
Yeah they do. 10-15 years ago when you heard rape in the media never would have thought someone would falsely accouse somebody. Now if you hear one firstly you think about is this really happened the way it's being sad or not. The false accusations already undermined the victims.
@@rofidganteng1 yeah... no
same goes for hard core Christiands and Jews. Doesn't stop predators or false accusers. sorry, not sorry.
Itay Harel Islam is right about women
“Men get their lives ruined over false accusations.”
“That does not happen.”
*Johnny Depp and Brian Banks have entered the chat*
U are so right
Johnny Depps life is not ruined wtf?
@@AceNavigates not completely but his reputation took a huge hit
johnny depp still has a hella successful career, dont use it for your argument.
@@leonidas0242 in a super abstract way? Sure, but generally? Not really, he was never absolutely reviled, the case was always viewed as shady and he always got good work
I think in ways it’s gone to far, in other ways, it hasn’t gone far enough.
We need to add abused men and we need to take away guilty just from words. But definitely needs to have the conversation continue
@@catherinewhitaker6226 And gave him a check to keep quiet
@@catherinewhitaker6226 That's certainly terrible but the point of the movement itself is still relevant
Terry cruise was a big supporter of me too and spoke out about his own experience so I don’t think it’s just men vs women, I think men have just as much of a right to speak out about their abuse.
Man - “False sexual allegations happen”
Black Lady- “that does not happen”
Then what about Emmett Till who was brutally murdered off of false sexual allegations he was 14. The woman who helped murder Emmett even admitted to the murder.
I find it strange that the black lady said it when Emmett till was a black boy who was killed because of sexual allegations and racism.
Also see the trials of the Scottsboro Boys.
Garen Frierson the guy almost got his d cut off
Garen Frierson what does her race have to do with anything? You make a good point by falsifying what she says but then bringing up her race just makes you sound ignorant
@@ComedyGlor Race has alot to do with it kiddo. There is something called racsim dude.
literally the centrtal park 5 is a great example
“ Good intentions, bad ramifications” Perfect way to describe it.
Agreed
Carlos Moreno that’s exactly what I thought when he said that
Has there ever been a movement that has good intentions and *hasn’t* been taken advantage of by spiteful people trying to ruin other people’s lives? I feel like if you’re a supporter of any movement, you have to be able to acknowledge the abuses of that movement. That woman who said that false accusations don’t happen against men baffled me. How can you not acknowledge that stuff like that happens?
Edit: spelling oops
Grace Burke Movements can stay true to their very core, providing that the media don’t catch wind of them. The media are largely responsible for the battling between men and women to this very day. False accusations have always happened, there are some women out there who relish being part of the movement and seek sympathy for being a victim, others who seek to destroy someone’s credibility. It’s a shame, we should be targeting rapists and criminals, yet, attention seekers prevent such things.
Dean Green of course movements can stay true to their core, I wasn’t implying that they get completely derailed, it’s the few people who ruin it for other people and media too that I was referencing
Because to her it isn’t about accountability, it’s about power. Thankfully most feminists aren’t so blind as the other two did have good intentions. Regardless I personally think false accusations should be taken seriously as they make it more difficult for actual rape victims, especially considering the false allegations have triggered a massive backlash against anything women’s rights related
So true
False accusations absolutely do happen.
One of my fathers rules is that he never allows anybody, women or men, step fully into his office. They must ask whatever they need while still outside of his office door
Smart
And I'm sure many women don't feel comfortable being in a room with men anyway.
@@pebbles92able I guess?
@@wickedviscus2139 no it is a fact ..
@@pebbles92able I’m not saying you’re wrong, it’s just something random to comment out of nowhere lol.
But yeah, it’s best if both aren’t in the same room either way. You never know if one person is a rapist or if the other is a false accuser
I have a cousin who is 14 years d and was accused of something twice. The first time the councilor (his mom) overheard a girl talking about how my cousin was making her uncomfortable with being too close to him and blah blah blah, the councilor pulled her aside and asked of it was true and the girl admitted that it wasn't. Than another girl accused him of pressuring her into sex and filled out police report, but the day she said it happened, he was on the other side of the state helping my grandfather build his porch. Long story short, yes, man are falsely accused all the time, but it doesn't mean you should stop believing everyone who comes out.
We can't blindly believe everyone. There needs to be evidence that it did occur. This can't be something you report years or decades later. Its way too late.
Very rare
@@huna5923 just because its rare doesn't mean it still doesn't happen
I think a large part of false allegations is that facing actual consequences you don't deserve seems to be rarer than being falsely accused. But, a lot of men use it as an excuse to diss women or act like women are out to get them. So I can kind of see a bit why people say it doesn't happen because it's so much rarer it does, but a lot of men act like it's immediately going to happen.
You shouldnt believe anyone when a story first comes out. How can you?
I thought this whole video was a mess until the very end. When all the women came together to talk about the ways in which they were assaulted, I fell like it just highlighted exactly what most people saw this movement as- a way to provide a space and a voice to victims of sexual abuse. When Dave came forward at the end, saying that he too was abused yet still kind of blaming himself, I thought that was also another highlight. So many people blame themselves and need the help and encouragement of others to truly understand what sexual abuse is never the fault of the victim...the term "abuse" exemplifies itself. At the end of the day, we still need to hold this space to be able to talk about sexual abuse and call out predators, but yes, we need to figure out the best way to do it.
@Assorted Flipmations i’m personally very supportive of the movement but i’m really curious as to what you mean by people abuse it and how they use that against men?
Cardi B drugged men while she was stripping. Had that been a man, he'd be cancelled.
This fact needs to be known more. It's really sad that some women actually look up to her. So problematic.
Amy Schumer did the same thing.
This claim only served to promote her movie Hustlers and was a false claim.
@@endurovro Really?
Anon
No, this is from the fact that in a speech she gave at the Ms. Foundation for Women’s Gloria Awards and Gala she said that she once had sex with an intoxicated man, who was so drunk he blacked in out of consciousness and was unable to give consent, because she was frustrated with how little attention men gave her in college. She said that moment gave her a feeling of “Self-Worth” and she even sex shamed her victim in that same speech. According to the rules of her university at the time, this would be defined as Sexual Harassment and she could have faced expulsion or worse. This could also be illegal under Maryland State law, however it is oddly specific stating that having sex with an intoxicated person is only counts as rape as long as vaginal penetration takes place in which the person taking advantage of the situation would be charged with it. From what she said, she could be charged with sexual assault but it was vague so it would be hard to bring to court.
If she were a man doing this to a woman, she would absolutely face rape charges but since she’s a woman, people don’t care. People even thought that part of the story was empowering and funny even though they would never say that if she were man.