How to Think Like an Introverted Thinker... Literally
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This is the best Myers-Briggs series on UA-cam I've seen yet; it's based on hard information and facts, and not speculation and personal experience. Keep up the great work
+Bring On The Nukes Thanks a lot! I wish I could take credit for it, but it's Dario Nardi's research. I'm just spreading the information to the best of my ability. You should check out his work if you want more!
I feel like more Ti users are watching than anything else, just to try to further document their systems.
Perhaps!
Nah for verification…. I guess
INTJ here wanting to work on my strongest shadow function
I like how you called the function the analytical wizard in another one of your videos! It is SO analytical! My second favourite cognitive function! 😍
Ti values/seeks accuracy. I do tend to tune people out when analyzing them/the environment, bored with the convo, or already came to a conclusion pertaining to the person/topic. I can respond with the right one word replies when really I haven't heard a word they've said. I think of it as a super power! 🤣🤣@@GeekPsychology
It's like testing code for bugs....
That is Literally what my INTP friend does. He's a programmer...
Programmer here intp as well.
We categorise our cognitive skills, and often have our dumb subjective definition to words, that later develop to better fit the real defs.
So
1st one: Accuracy: It's improving by haveing a lot of constraints to look for while we're trying to accomplish a given task.
2nd one: Structure: Trying to structure our knowledge in eather a linear or in a holistic manner. Depends on whether it's consciout or subconscious. Linear is conscious and is really aiding accuracy, while the more holistic one makes associations and categories, makes sure that no misunderstanding happened because of not recognising ambiguity in the given information, and then makes connection based on that.
3rd one: connect the dots of a particular problem. This is when you have known tools to solve the given problem.
4th one: When you have a problem, and try to see it from different "angles". That means data visualisation, or the opposite. Writing down visual observations by the language of mathematics or codes. E.G.: Best way to imprive it is geometry.
5th one: Isomorphism. You see the simmetry of graphs, logic, objects etc.
6th one: Abstraction: When you develop meta-knowledge about a given practical implementation of a task. E.G.: automatisation
7th one: Spatial analysis.
8th one: Sound to color color to color characters association, to make our mind more efficient.
9th one: Well developed intps have mental palaces.
10th one: Forethinking. We make plans before abstractions.
11th one: Waiting for our subconscious to answer a question while lieing in bed and munching cheetos. Then it pops in and we are like crazy excited.
12th one: Pattern recognition. We develop visual patterns that can be a shortcut for logic, but if not well done can be misleading.
13th one: LOGIC
you have probably the most valuable channel about MBTI in this world, keep doing this great job
+uth Płońsk That's very nice of you. Thanks! But make sure you check out Dario Nardi's work - he's the real hero :)
Hey, INTP here. I love your channel, thanks for all the effort you put in making your videos!
Thank you, Mike! It's really motivating to see comments like this! I hope my videos help you on your journey :D
They do certainly :) Must also say that your RPG references are absolutely great! Thanks again.
Techniques for Ti types getting into flow (14:24) performing an action in familiar with while minimizing external stimuli does the trick from my experience. I can't multitask in this state nor watch a movie with an interesting plot. Music without words is the most I can stand. I never knew the bit on how the limbic system is involved.
Thanks! That makes sense. Your preferred brain regions already seem to cut out distractions a bit with that "green shield," but physically removing those external stimuli seems like a logical first step lol.
Cool stuff, right?
Your gaming format is killer!
+Anton Wallerstedt Thanks for commenting! It means a lot. I hope I can make it even better!
Hey! Great vid. I think I've learned to not try to run away from reality in my head as I did when I was a kid.
Ti can be a real hindrance to progress constantly checking everything, but for me in my late twenties, I finally got a decent enough working framework on how to deal with people and my own emotions : )
+Sheledon XNTP Sounds familiar. Introverted Judging is rough! Always trying to make solid, refined decisions but not wanting to take in more feedback thay challenges them with our auxiliary Perceiving.
I would really like to learn and be conscious about using Ti as an INFP instead of using it unconsciously.
I've found that I can get into a flow state by framing something as a puzzle that needs to be solved, or trying to build a literal knowledge framework, that I can visualize, and slice up into as many categorizations as possible. Ever since learning this, my life has improved and I'm finding more success in life
This is an amazing video for Ti doms, you explained it well plus defined the terms you were using, which helped a lot. Thank you
Glad it was helpful! Thank Dario Nardi for his research lol
@@GeekPsychology Haha glad to see you're still responding to comments 6 years later
Ti is objective because it uses logic and practicality as a filter. It is subjective as we use filtered data to produce originality.
We stop listening when the person is defing logic or practicality. Because we have this critical point if it is neither logical nor practical , what makes your thoughts better than mine, when it comes to my life ? I value your thoughts in your life . But if your results are not what I intened, why bother listening to your belief system anyway? If I want different results the best thing to do is to have a different mind set . A paradigm shift. So I can get the results. Because I am choosing subjective original thoughts using logic and / or pragmatism as a filter to get new results.
Thanks for the comment! I really like these 2 sentences:
"what makes your thoughts better than mine" and "If I want different results the best thing to do is to have a different mind set."
As an INFP, I feel like I do the same thing, but with motivations and emotions/states.
Good. Some disagreeablness is healthy for our growth .
I think Ti is misunderstood. But if we dig deeper it allows paradigm shifts.
I use P3 ALOT. I can sort of visualize the infrastructure of everything...
Actually, I often visualise trajectories of moving objects and can really easy navigate for instance in traffic. The process sort of resembles - if you have seen the movie Donnie Darko - Donnie being able to see these "spears" coming out of people.
This is interesting. You are a good speaker and teacher. I laugh when you do...
Rare INTP female steady studying everything thought I'd pop in and say hello.
The unicorn does exist. 👌
Too rare to be worth the pursuit though
Is it possible for an INFP to have a developed Ti? Say because of the nature of work and having been raised by Ti users in the family?
I'm a programmer and would take a looooot of time analysing codes. Others would share their analysis and logic how they would resolve the problem, but if it doesn't make sense to me I'd end up putting those advices at the back of my head and try to figure it out using my own methods. Which could be real problematic esp. since there are lots of work to be done and multitasking is highly useful. Thinking about this side of me makes me doubt if I might be an INTP instead.
youre absolutely an INTP. I just respond to them like "okay ill try" but them ill do my way that makes sense to me like focusing the correct process for the great output and result.
This INTP has a selective C3. My ex would lose it when I could remember obscure facts and lyrics from 80's music and fail to remember her phone number after 5 years.
Hi, INTP here, and as an INTP (I'm an INTP) I enjoy blowing smoke up my own ass (I'm an INTP). Keep up the good videos even though you're not an INTP.
P.S - (btw, i'm an INTP)
Excellent and meaningful comment. Happy New Year and I hope it’s a successful one!
@@GeekPsychology Thanks geek, same to you. All jkng aside, great vids man. Keep it up
What I would give to have Dario hook some electrodes to my brain. Based on what you said in this video it would light up like a Christmas tree. I figured out a way to turn most things off in a couple seconds,but I don't really like that state because not much is going on inside.My mind appears to be devoid of all thoughts and my perception changes (I'm presuming most likely Se) drastically. Normally I will see a room as a whole (in clear focus,but no attention paid to any specific detail) without my peripheral view blurred (about 150 degrees) and I can pan around the room smoothly. In this altered state (about 80 degrees in focus) the colors appear a little more vivid and 3D like. I find myself focusing on distinct objects and "jumping" to the next object (like snapshots rather than the movie view I am used to).
All it takes to enter this state is to take a deep breath,close my eyes and while exhaling I think "let it all go" (I mean absolutely everything). My face instantly feels like it is droopy,so relaxed that I once looked in the mirror and it looked like I was dead (it was creepy the first time). Meanwhile I am trying to analyze in this state,without waking up what shut down to enter the state (something definitely shuts down). To me it appears as if Ni is taking a break and Se takes the wheel. It feels like perceiving with no ego.
As expected from you,another great video. I really like your style with metaphors and analogies. They say so much more than the same few words could otherwise.
Go pay the fee and he'll do it! If I didn't live 12 hours by plane away, I'd have test me for sure. Interesting! I have absolutely no idea how I perceive the world. It's all blurry, just like most of my memories. I like how you explained it.
Breath-work is great to practice. I do it when I remember to... which is not often enough.
Thank you for the nice comments. If you like my videos, get Dario Nardi's books :D They're way better than what I created.
Crazy how, before I even knew what an INTP was or knew anything about machine language, I was already already thinking with programming brain. When I got INTP, and read about Ti, it was FREAKY! About the same as when I learned about boolean statements in intro programming classes and was confused that this wasn't how people's brains worked already. Even as a little kid, I remember creating if-then logic to dictate what I should be doing, and waiting for triggers to spur me into action.
I gotta read this book. I have ADHD-PII diagnosed but that blink, stop paying attention thing is SO true. I struggle to even read half the time b/c I feel I "Get what they're going for" so quickly that it's extremely boring to KEEP having to go along with another person's logic when I already get their logic and are just looking for the next logical piece to add to their premise. I feel like this kind of thing can easily be received as bragging, but trust me... it's a problem at least half the time. Seems like 99% of people are looking for human stories, so it REALLY sucks when you're trying to navigate this world looking for things that most people are less interested in and annoyed at all the things that people do to make their work suitable for most!
Plus, the amount of times I've tried to explain to someone and start somewhere along the lines with "Ok, so first, drop all of your own human perspective..." and then they stop me and don't understand. If you don't at least have a model for doing that yourself already, my explanation is not going to work since it's centered around doing that, lol.
And speaking of stopping introspection, I find meditation VERY hard and have alexithymia. I barely have ANY idea how I feel about literally anything, even bodily feelings... my therapist has tried to do the above with me but in reverse. He'd say "Ok, so start by auditing how you feel" and I'd stop him to say "Uhhh I have zero idea what you mean" and it took an entire session to explain this concept to me...
Ok now I'm getting freaked out. P3 just described something that I'm borderline obsessed with... seeing outside my own perception with a field all around me. I've always been fascinated with the fish that can use special senses (usually electric fields) to sense things around them. I SWEAR I've felt this at stores, while driving, moving around, etc. I know it's not totally accurate, but it's FAIRLY accurate when I observe something in my peripheral, stop seeing it, but can still 'track' it's movement.
IDK if this is cause or training, but as a kid I used to close my eyes and see how far I could go around my house doing chores or whatever without bumping into things. It was always longer than I thought and my own anxiety always caused me to open my eyes more than actually making big mistakes. Maybe that anxiety came directly from P3 knowing I was out of my comfort zone.
Tho ironically, I've always hated team sports because there is TOO MUCH going on to track it all.
This was very interesting . I will subscribe and save this video to re-watch.
the best mbti explanations are from you!
that's very kind, george! but it all comes from Dario :)
I keep asking and reading and re-thinking, as long as I have all the clues in right order in my mind, I have a sense, that I got it right. It's very hard for me to make a decision if I sense there is still something I should know. I kind of feel I know enough. The most smaller decisions, like should I by this or that milk I spend like 5 minutes reading all the ingredients in it, if i'm buying something new. If someone recommend something for me, I don't just go believing just like that, but I might get interested, this is how I make decisions. On the other hand I can do against every sensible decision if I know someone else needs my help. So, maybe not very ti-like. The hard thing is to decide weather you do something because your thought that that is what you should do, or because your ego makes you do decisions this way. All these cognitive functions seem so difficult to do apart
Wow i did not know i was that smart :D -INTP (actually i did know :p)
It's not about what you got goin on, it's how you use it!
You are right. At the moment im using it to understand MBTI and enneagram. Isnt it ironic that an intp has interest on other ppl :) fun fact about me: I often find very good solutions for other ppls emotional problems. Because i dont get stuk in empathy so fast. Sometimes i feel like a grandfather :D
That's great. I hope you can continue to help other people out as well. What's your enneagram type?
Ah.. the wise grandfather mage, eh? Nothing wrong with an old soul! I was always called mature for my age as well.
I am 20 yo. INTP-a and enneagram 5. I like INFJs alot because their understanding of ppl comes out of nowere :D also they seem to see the good side in others wich i really adore. I want to develop my instinctual understanding of ppl. MBTI seems like a logical framework to me. Eneagram seems to be more useful and practicable but less detailed. What are your types? btw. i draw a Picture in Paint wich helped me understanding MBTI. do you want it?
Just keep getting out there in the world and you'll develop it!
I'm an INFP 9.
I agree about MBTI and Enneagram. Both have their strengths and their uses, for sure.
Yeah, please. Send it to sherman@geekpsychology.com if you don't mind.
I changed my mind, you are INTJ after going further in the video. INTP here :D
He's INFP (if you're still wondering).
You sr are the best person that I just found you got a fan, and a sub!
Woot. Thank you for subbing and commenting :D If you like the video, you should buy Dario Nardi's books.
Geek Psychology I'll do that, I know the information will help my journey
+Uriah Baker Awesome! Dario's work is great and it should give you some great awareness/insight.
ISFP don't understand your topic this time...😑😑😑 but I'm dated 😍INFP now. so I try to figured out the core topic you talking about. thaaaaanks 😘😘
If you want to know more, I have a video on ISFP vs INFP - ua-cam.com/video/sJ5tSkI9Seo/v-deo.html - it might help. :)
INTP here, I know you’ve clarified this in previous videos... just be aware that some people will click off when the first thing you do is reference a book. It looks like your promoting/tying the whole video to it and that will deter people just browsing. Try and focus on putting that stuff at the end, like asking your audience to subscribe. Let the knowledge entrance people in and hook them, you know what I mean? You ever click on a video and the FIRST thing they do is tell you to subscribe and ‘ring’ the bell? It’s annoying right? (Not only is that pandering, desperate, and unearned. It’s not as engaging ) just trying to provide some constructive criticism :)
+BLΛCK SΛMPLE Thanks :) yeah I cant change it now. I just wanted to give credit where it was due :)
Fellow (Ti) users!!! Exercise, Meditation, and Medication (cannabis) will help you get into flow! I’ll get suck in a loop thinking but if you exercise you feel your body which will ground you back into reality. Einstein did this when he needed to solve tough problems; go for a walk!
very accurate description
like to a fellow Zoro enjoyer
Can I start using Ti if I put my mind into it as an ENFP?
I took multiple tests and got typed as an ENFJ. That puts my Ti as the inferior function. However, I've been really good at scientific and mathematical analysis since childhood and currently working as a mechatronics engineer. So I believe I have a fairly strong Ti component as well. However, I don't know if strong technical skills actually correlate to strong Ti. Could anyone explain this to me ?
Is linearly connecting information the same as linear thinking? How does linearly connecting information elements compare with lateral thinking?
Hi Matt, could you help me with refining my Ti?
1:39 is key in making sure u aren’t mistyped
Lets say there's a fill in the blank test with 10 questions and and ten Word options. For example A Geography map test of Carribean Islands. The way my mind works is if I know for sure I have 8 of the ten questions correct but have no idea for the last two I will repeat one of the word choices twice to guarantee myself a 90% rather than take the chance of getting a 80% or 100%. Is that an example of ti creating a loophole to guarantee an A - or just an example of my personality not enjoying taking risks.? For example I don't enjoy gambling and whenever I try something new I usually read up on it to make sure its absolutely safe such as when I learned how to surf I would analyze in my head all various scenarios of how to survive a riptide or shark attack for 30 minutes before even getting into the water. Just curious if it is to and even if to is it governed by some other function ( the function telling me to play it safe and get the A- rather than go for the perfect score and risk a b.
I think science is in observation. Constantly questioning the status quo and seeing logical conclusion to ideas playing out. Trying to ask better questions. That’s how I use my Ti. Breakdown the concept to its bare structure and ask what it’s trying to achieve and why. Then building efficient system with least step. Try to be very concise.
Great video and you're cute! - ISTP
lol thanks :D
+Geek Psychology agreed!!! -intp
I like your stuff.
+laakasuo I like your comment. Anything you want to see on the channel?
Yes, a post from yout RPG fraemwork how INTPs could be or are useful for our present environment or society. Furthermore, if you could develop a small fantasy story where four MBTI characters end up in a pickle together and how they solve it or how they deal with it, would be fun to listen to.
Interesting ideas! Maybe I can interview my good INTP friend or something.
I've done some short one-off adventures for a couple other types - I'll play around with INTPs this week when I can find some time. I'm not sure how it'd play out in a video, but my brain is about to explode from all the ideas.
I find the "Miracle Balm" advertisement offensive. I know that you do not choose the ads that appear on your channel. But I don't know where to complain, and I hope they will get the message. It makes me want to avoid UA-cam.
lol. I wish I had a choice! I will complain in my mind for you as well.
Ti only use when the ways are already define.
Fi can be the source of Judment in unknow.
Certainly read alot of ti videos to understand and collect info on it.
Interesting:)
+Lionhearted626 Pretty cool, right?!
Thank you very much.
Great video!
now i know why i think this way. i thought im not normal while thinking others are stupid, too lazy to think deep.
How do you know if you’re a Ti user?
"Hey you schizoid robot, think about how you can build more rapport with other types" > Nope
Well, I've actually read into some NLP books, but I'm just the same... either I "like" ppl and I'm pretty interactive or I don't care at all to interact (aka working 10 hours next to a person and maybe exchange a few words). Interesting videos, but I don't have so much time to look all of them (at least today lol)
+ochgottnochma lol. Are you the schizoid robot in that example?! You better update your stuff, homie.
NLP can be very helpful. I've studied it quite a bit, but not so much lately. The SWISH technique and Timeline therapy are my current favorites.
Small steps!
Thanks. It's not a small endeavor to watch them all, but hopefully they'll keep your attention and maybe give you some new ways of seeing things.
Yea, I meant me with it, even tho it might have resonated with you aswell. ^^ Since I was always searching for "improvement" I finally found something that actually improved my mood/motivation/energy, which is microdosing magic mushrooms and LSD. This lack of energy is probably pretty common for INTP 5w4's, but small doses of LSD (like 10 or 20µg daily or every 2nd day) act like Amphetamin/Methylphenidat without the filthy side effects (like mindfuck after ~8-10 hours). Can't even drink coffee, I become pretty jittery and confused (L-Theanine shall help against that and got it already, but didn't tested yet ^^).
And some days ago I figured that I have Aphantasia... I cannot "visualize" anything and large parts of NLP kinda depends on it ("hurr visualize all the success"). Might be the reason why I could never become warm with NLP. Aaaand it might be caused by a lack of Vitamin B6/B12/C and omega oils, so I ordered that aswell... gonn see how it works out.
Are you a good visualizer? If you google "Aphantasia INTP" e.g., you will get some information, Aphantasia kinda seems to be common for N types, which you probably are.
I'm glad I called NT types "Alchemists" because you're so helping me support that metaphor with your comment. lol
I'm pretty sure IP types have low energy in general and we focus more on energy management and not expending it. I can drink coffee, but it usually lasts a long time. I can't drink it after 3 if I want to sleep at a decent time.
Aphantasia is really interesting. I don't think I have it because I imagine unique things all the time, but they're usually just expansions on real stimuli. Like a funny hat on someone that isn't actually wearing a hat. But I cannot picture people's faces in my head... even my own. It's extremely fuzzy.
Extroverted ppl would have no clue what you're talking about lol
Some extraverted people use Ti as well ....
@@aniokay true but theyre tired of checking how they do it.
Music is extremely distracting. Please issue a copy of the video without the music.
+Evie Fieseler So I've heard. Can't though, sorry. I don't keep the raw footage.
Geek Psychology I didn't even notice lol
+Tenuto Collins I didn't notice either lol
Which types are oblivious to the music and why?
Europhobic Antiwhitism Probably the type that doesn’t have headphones on. The music is very low relative to his voice on my iPad speaker.
Why mix psychology with rpg magic??
Because using RPGs as the metaphorical glue to stick concepts together was how I learned it. It was difficult, this helped bridge what I already knew with what I wanted to learn.
Get out of my head!
I will say however that I don't agree with the underlying premise of your parting implorement. Self actualization doesn't mean homogeny, or that we use all functions, and act out a set of behaviors. It's differentiation and integration. Respect and integrate-(or make a place for) what is shadowy-(that which you ignore and cast off), and that you detest in yourself, but differentiate who you are by aligning with what your are: the will of your archetypal self. Become the INTP, INFP, or ESTJ, ISFP, and ECT. Embody the archetypal expression as strongly as possible without it overcoming you. That's actualization, and the Nobel quest that brings the kingdom of God within the heart of man. Behaviorism was not the vehicle nor the point of Jung's work it was Actualizing the self.
+Joshua L All your brains are belong to me now!
+Joshua L I don't necessarily want to focus on behaviorism, but if it gets people to think more and be more aware of themselves, I'll allow it. And my method of giving personalities and characters to the functions kind of makes it impossible to separate them now.
Also, not everyone wants to go that deep. My goal is to use games and a more relatable style as a bridge to at least contemplate crossing the water of the unknown. If they want to go to the other side and really explore, this'll help get them started. But it can only go so far because I choose to focus more on the metaphors and "playing life."
Does that make sense?
And I'm also not married to any theory. Just learning and growing with what makes sense to me.
Geek Psychology Absolutely understandable.
P O O P
Watch out. I'm a Ti - fighter!
Hey you think you'll beat Dario Narli. Ha ha ha!
Beat him in what? :)
Ti - I call it the Analyzing Adept now. It gives options to the Bruce Lees of the world :)
Basically xNFJs and xSTPs have the best functions! :D
As an INFJ I would have to agree with you! 😜
are you part asian? you look so much like my asian friend.
+Sylvia Lopez hmm... nope. German, Irish, Native American by my understanding. I get asked it all the time here (in Japan) though.
You must be INFJ or INTP eh?
He's a tomate
INFP actually. 2 years later lol
@@GeekPsychology hello
NiTe user...
god i hate how Ti is described
+Azarthes Thanks for commenting!
Go on... give me something to work towards improving and I can try to do it.
P O O P
Poop blizzard? Eww
Geek Psychology P O O P