I'm a new rider, and I watch the videos for the detailed explanations, as it helps me improve my skills faster, and I watch DanDanTheFireman to think more about safety when riding, as he's doing lots of after action reviews on motorcycle accidents where he explain how to avoid the situations in general
Spot on mate! 🎯 If I would say something about Andrey and his videos I could use your words. Same here, I've been riding for 30 years non stop and still learn from him. Regards from Brazil. ☮️ 🛣 🏍
@lassebrustad Dan is okay, but knowing what will happen, isn't what you need to be studying. You need to learn how to never be in that situation in the first place. I've never been involved in a motorcycle accident, and my motorcycles are my only mode of transportation.
@@OArchivesX It is a pseudo force, sure, but it depends if you're using an inertial frame of reference. The easy example is when you're driving in a car and suddenly turn, the things inside the car, which still carry the momentum, "turn" the opposite way. That is centrifugal force, the one symmetrical to centripetal, which works to maintain a given momentum. If you were to lean on a bike without it moving, it wouldn't rotate while falling, but simply fall in the same angle which it had standing up
@@DiogoSilva-qn8qo This precisely👆 Centrifugal force is a convenient way to present the rider and a bike as an inertial frame of reference (which in reality it is not).
Come on Andrey, your speaking is absolutely fine and your subject expertise is on another level. On top of that, you are quite funny 😄 Keep up the good job!
I have a lot of horse riding experience and it amazes me how much translates to riding motorcycles. I find myself steering my bike with my hips/legs just as much as my hands just like I would barrel racing on a horse. It’s been so much fun, plus gas is cheaper than hay lol. Thank you for your great videos!
There are two absolute standouts from this video: 1) he gives imho the clearest explanation of, not only countersteering, but what to do correctly after you've countersteered. 2) he doesn't gratuitously show all of the mistakes made by the riders crashing, which would normally bring in the vultures. Both of these are very classy...
I live on a mountain area so every single time I leave my house I have twisties and upward and downward swerves, it's very fun to be a rider here. I learned how to corner VERY quickly riding here
Kind of like being thrown into the deep end of the pool to learn to swim. I learned in in some pretty hilly country, no mountains to be sure, but I still find practicing slow speed maneuvering and emergency braking in a parking lot to be very helpful. As has been said, you don't want the first time you try emergency braking to be when you need to be good at it. I started riding 40+ years ago when there wasn't much good information around. But there was plenty of bad information, that everyone I knew seemed to believe.
@@jerrylong381 I read up on counter steering before I even touched my first motorcycle and was an avid mountain biker too so I had good balance sense on 2 wheels. Feel like those 2 things helped a lot in riding. Remember doing low speed maneuvers really well in my MSF course compared to the other riders, mountain biking for 25+ years helped a lot with that.
@@capper6100 Florida? FL was such a straight flat plane state for me. I remember being able to see like 10 miles ahead of me on the highway there, was weird
I literally am sitting at home in a body brace due to breaking my 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lumbar vertebra from sliding out of a left hand turn, right into a nice and cozy... reinforced storm drain 😬🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤣
It took me about two years of riding until I noticed that in a surprise situation (pothole, object on pavement) I developed the correct instinct about swerving around it in the correct direction. You can practice this by challenging yourself to suddenly avoid a point on pavement when it doesn't matter which way you go around it.
It's the first time I genuinely learn useful stuff on a yt video about driving. Your explanations are just perfect and on point. You've really helped me drive safer and more secure of what I'm doing and what I should do next. Thanks!
As someone who is taking the MSF course this weekend I've been bingeing all of your videos to get a better understanding of how things work. I can't thank you enough!
Take it slow and practice within your abilities. This hobby takes time to develop muscle memory and mental energy necessary to ride safe. Hope your class is going well, and welcome to the club.
@@CaptainFishHead720 Earlier today i finished the course. Shiny (the instructors nickname) said that we had the best final test scores out of any class hes had in the last ten years. All of us had zero incidents on all of the tests. Ill take that as a win lol
Awesome! Congrats on the new shiny endorsement. As you head out on the road, remember to ride your own ride. Stay within your comfort level and assume you're invisible; you'll have a lot of good riding years ahead of you. Oh, and Harleys suck. 😉
70 year old retired RN here, been riding about 25 years and now doing trail riding with my grandsons. I love your content and lovely “speech impediment “. You’re adorable! ❤
What do you mean by speach impaired Andrey? I can understand you perfectly. All your videos are to the point and clear. Please continue being the best moto teacher on youtube! Thanks.
I think most of the confusion around countersteering comes from the word "steering" in it, since that usually means more than just giving one short impulse. So most people get the mental image of speedway racers drifting through corners with the wheel facing outwards when hearing about it for the first time.
Im taking his course King of the Road (unfortunately at a very slow pace because of some minor health issues) and it’s quite fantastic. And yet, he publishes some free videos that, most of them, are indeed extraordinary. Thank you. Hope you dont cut the king of the road online access, as im very late on it 😢
Totally excellent video!! I LOVE physics, and so your equations and explanations really were a wonderful addition to the practical application of the science behind turning. I think the part about how the gyroscopic forces are not the ONLY, or primary, force behind why bikes stay up. The demonstrations were perfect for explaining how steering geometry is so vital to why bikes stay up. Pushing the pedal bike backwards really solidifies that concept. As always, ride safe, ride well, and ride often, and thank you for all that you bring to the riding community. There are only four channels worth a damn on UA-cam... Yours, MCrider, Canyon Chasers, and Police Motor Training with Quinn Redeker. If I added just one more, it would probably be Jerry Paladino at Ride Like A Pro.
Man i dig your videos 😝👍 So educational to all riders new & old 🏍 Knowledge is NOT a Burden my father sometimes would say to me 🤔 Knowing the correct way is the right way when it comes to motorcycle riding & staying safe in most cases 👍😊 Another fantastic Video matey ! Cheers from Bundaberg Australia 🇦🇺🍹🕺
New rider here. Watched this video few times but the whole process is so weird initially that it took me 30min of convincing my brain that we are not in a car (27 years of driving...) and this is absolutely fine. It is funny how 'walking' the bike also helped..
I think forgetting about counter steering has more of an effect on target fixation when it comes to panic mode and people running straight into things. They are trying to turn the bike but when they do it feels like the bike is going in the wrong direction and then it just creates more panic.
@@mattman3495 that’s why counter-steering should be done iwith intent and practiced in all its forms: push or pull or both. I really can’t understand how this technique is underrated by so many people , even “experienced” ones! I’m not an experienced rider but the number of times I see faster riders go wider because of just using their bodies (and feet, or whatever) is astounding! Vision is paramount but knowing how to rapidly and efficiently lean a bike (whatever bike) is a life saving!
It took me about two years of riding until I noticed that in a surprise situation (pothole, object on pavement) I developed the correct instinct about serving around it in the correct direction. You can practice this by challenging yourself to suddenly avoid a point on pavement when it doesn't matter which way you go around it.
I really appreciate the analysis of the guy who went head on into the fire truck. He recently put up another video and in it you hear him suggest the wind pushed him into the truck, but I agree from you slowing the footage down that it's very clear that he's pushing with his left hand which appears to give contradictory steering inputs to the bike. Obviously what he needed to do was to push down on the right bar to lean the bike and turn it into the corner.
Thank you that you teach this. I am glad i learned this early on (including crashing a cheap 50cc bike) an use the countersteering to point the bike where i want when i go lame in the corner.
Also I think he is pulling the front brake hard. This makes it stand up and go straight. You can see it bouncing up and down as the abs comes on / off.
Last video he goes from 77mph to 49mph. He is braking hard which is pushing him onto the bars and it won’t turn. Happened to me previously. Solution is to ease off brake and it will turn.
I got my license in 1978 and have never heard a real instructor use the term counter steering. Main steering inputs on a motorcycle are the handlebar torque and body movement. Counter steering is what we use for controlling a skidding rear wheel as we see it in speedway racing.
Isn't it a Good Idea to not drive too fast around an unknown corner ??? You never know what is around the corner. Where I live Motorcyclists have impaled themselves on Farm Machinery. I was overtaken by a Show Off on a Big British Motorbike when I was 17 yrs old on my Triumph Tiger Cub. I rode carefully around a blind corner and he was lying in the Road, twitching. He has crashed into the side of an Articulated Lorry pulling out of a Construction Yard. He had smashed his Head in despite wearing a Helmet. It's a Shock to see someone Die Right in front of you !!! Now I'm 70 yrs old and have 3 Motorbikes. The Moral of the Story is Don't Drive like a Lunatic, or You'll End Up Dead !!!
Hi Moto Control! I'm just curious about one thing at the minute 16:51 can you do it with any bike? or is there a risk of the bike turning off and falling, for example on small single cylinder bikes, I don't know? I mean Full Lock U-Turn without hands, thanks for the reply, beautiful videos I wish you a lovely rest of the Dayy! ❤❤❤❤🏍👊✊
The video of the biker going into the truck explained a lot to me. I took a similar corner and the more I tried to lean the bike the wider it kept going because I was doing the same thing, turning right to go right instead turning left and resulting in a better lean/turn right.
With regard to the thermal underwear choice you have adapted for yourself: This garment is highly flammable and, if that is against your skin in a crash where you catch on fire, let’s just say you’re not going to think it’s all that great. A better choice is Lana wool in a thin base layer as it does the same things you discussed, but has the added benefit of being antibacterial/antimicrobial thereby reducing the smelly effect of your choice. Leather clothing on top of that or a higher denim fabric allows breathing and fire resistance in crashes where a person catches on fire. FYI.
“Ride your ride” comes to mind for this video. This could show a group of three; two out in front and one, perhaps a newer, less experienced rider, trying to not get left behind…my take-away? When riding in a group, try sharing the different positions, so you learn a bit more about riding and riders. River canoeing has a “sweep” position at the tail…picking up lost gear and also getting pre-warning of changing conditions! Ride safe 🎠
All the physics are right (don't ask me how I know :)). And it's entertaining. Best instructor on youtube. I watch others too but keep coming back for Andrei to learn his take. Video's are just part of it. I keep making annotated screenshots for myself so I can come back to his points quickly when reviewing. Maybe youtube should start offering a tool for that...
actually there's not such thing as centrifugal force. There is a centrifugal effect instead, due to the rotation energy. The centripetal force does exist and prevents us from losing the curve radius. But that doesn't spoil the video in any way. Andrey's channel is the best. Gracias amigo!!
Some bikes require not just a quick counter steering input to initiate, it also needs it throughout all of the turn, or it will want to stand up and continue straight.
The guy with the mt-07 also had his eyes on the fire truck, and it’s known that you go where you look. So, panic made him look at the truck so his brain didn’t let him go on the other side of the road where it was clear by “deleting” the countersteer technique.
When I first started riding on track I had a nasty habit of pushing the bar until the apex - I thought you had to keep steering the bike to the apex - instead of just one press. no instructor has explained this to me yet!
Low speed maneuvers.. slipping clutch while braking. Question: Thinking front brake would be more effective.. a pushing rear tire pushing into an off center front with brake applied would seem to have a direct Lifting result. I can't control the throttle and front brake precisely enough, but trying. Might be worth moving the front brake to the right foot peddle to manage independent control of Clutch, Front Brake, and Throttle. Thoughts?
Counter steering (not that "counter" should be used before the fact, but instead as a "response to" so technically the terminology is incorrect) is how we keep the bike stable and extremely low speeds, ie, when creeping along behind slow moving traffic where we can't let the clutch all the way out and have to keep some pressure on the rear brake to avoid reaching a slow walking pace. or even when we are balancing while Stationary, just the same as when people on pushbikes do it, by turning the front wheel we move the corresponding balance points to avoid falling over... this is EXACTLY the same as when we are moving at any speed, but to actually initiate a turn, we need to move the balance point before the turn can begin, and that can also be achieved by tilting the hips and the bike, and letting the bike steer itself!
Hi, nicely explained in clearly formulated text, but at 17:30 about the counter steering (input), maybe an addition could be that the "falling" into the opposite direction of steering is induced by the gyroscopic force of the front wheel. You could show this with a rotating bycycle (again 😉) wheel in your hands (or did you ever do this? it is a physics demonstration at school) : if you (try to) turn this wheel to the right, you will feel and show that this wheel is forced (with force 😉) to lean to the left. Only after this (counter steering input) the bike geometry stabilizes the bike to go and stay in the left curve. If the bike was not moving (frontwheel not rotating), and you turned the handlebar to the right, the bike would fall to the right just because of that geometry : rake / trail / frontwheel contact point moves to the left, where the bike centre of mass would then be on the right side of the line through the two tire to road contact points. You can also see this with the bike on the side stand, if you turn the handelbar to the right, the bike moves to the right i.e. more vertical. You can use this effect also when parking the bike on a slight decline to the left, so the bike is not too much inclining to the left, so that it is easier to get it upright again when leaving. Or move the handle bar to the left on a decline to the right, so the bike is moving left and thus parked more stable. About the video at 20:22 one has to remember : if you need to pass the truck on the right side, "just" push on the right side of the handelbar as a built-in reaction (so : push right goes right). I have needed this correction when a truck or bus "suddenly" (my mistake) appeared in a left side corner. The otherway around, you push to the left side of the handle bar to escape from the curb on the right side (push left goes left). Somehow luckily this automatic reaction is built into my system anyway (if I did not pay enough attention to the road etc.). And swerving around suddenly appearing pot holes is of course also based on this counter steering. In the end : riding a motorbike = counter steering, even if you are not aware or told, there is no wat around (😉) it. If/when you learned push bike riding, you eventually did counter steer (to keep balance even in a relatively low speed "straight" line), without knowing, that is why it is called : "learning to ride a bycycle". So, it is in the system of new riders as well (referring to other commentrs), I think there is too much focus in the internet on counter steering as if it were "magic". Indeed it is usefull to be aware beforehand in case of emergency situations, but it should then be an automatic reaction from your system (from practice? riding ? experience?), otherwise you are too late anyhow. Thanks for your good videos.
The gyroscopic force of the front wheel alone is not enough to tilt the whole bike with all its mass and inertia. When you turn the handlebar left the bike will try to make a circle to the left but then centripetal force will throw the bike outside the circle, which is the right side, and with the tire still on the ground, the bike will tilt right.
@@yuushin1 Thanks you for your reaction, but, sorry, what you indicate, is not how it works with a single track vehicle (e.g. motorbike). With cars, indeed the centripetal force puts the car in a curve, but with cars there is no tilting (not needed due the weight that makes a moment/force-couple combined with the dual track width). If you might mean this comparable effect on a motorbike, it would be a very small force, due to the very slight countersteer handlebar-steer-angle. On a motorbike, the INITIAL input comes from the (relatively huge) countersteering gyroscopic effect (which in fact stabilizes the bike upright in forward motion), after that you keep the handlebar/steer in the direction of the curve (with force felt in the handle bars depending on geometry, tire width etc., like what you could feel in the steering wheel of a car). If you want to see just one example of some literature on gyroscopic steering (because, I did not make this up myself, but I know this since my studies some fourty years ago), please see this quote: "Gyroscopic effects from handlebar motion. Since the wheel's direction of motion is perpendicular to the steering axis, turning the handlebars from right to left generates a gyroscopic moment around the roll axis" "This moment tends to tilt the motorcycle in the opposite direction from the steering motion; for this reason, to curve into a direction during fast driving, the rider exerts a quick rotation of the handlebars in the opposite direction. The higher the velocity of handlebar rotation W, the higher will be the moment that tends to incline the motorcycle into the opposite direction." This quote comes from (more references mentioned there as well, also pictures of motorcycle wheel with the forces that work on it): www.dynamotion.it/dinamoto/8_on-line_papers/effetto%20giroscopico/Effettigiroscopici_eng.html Or, maybe please see this on youtube itself, demonstration of the bicylce wheel as I mentioned before, "Understanding Gyroscopic Precession and Motorcycle Counter Steering" : ua-cam.com/video/1HaHMbNbcPY/v-deo.html and this is very much focussed on motorcycles, by Lynne Fitzpatrick on Jan 17, 2024: georgeleesye.com/the-effect-of-gyroscopic-precession-on-motorcycle-steering/ happy reading🏖
@@PeterBaumgart1a Hi, still you manage to ride a bike 🙃? Please see what I answered to @yuushin1. I mean : you cannot defy nature ....... just the laws of physics. People told me they do not believe in countersteering, although they apply it, no way around it, apparently unknowingly. Leaning and weight shifting has an effect indeed, but countersteering is much stronger thus quicker.
@@bhok1971 sure, what I mean is when you are already inside the turn, you’ve eased on your braking as you increased lean angle, and then realize you need to shed more speed. Do you use the rear brake or go back & add more pressure to the front brake?
@@gomes.98too much front brake mid turn will make the bike stand up, so use the rear more, not to the point of locking up the rear or you will low-side, but that's still way better than grabbing the front and high-side
appreciate u spending the time sharing ur knowledge. first bike. grom clone. blew up the engine already. puttin zs212 in at the moment damn shame all this bs going down around us. the brainwashing is strong. u ever ride in the states before? im in Philly roads terrible in spots. not too bad by me, but there are those roads. we all got them. not too far from Washingtons Crossing....if that shits even real who knows. appreciate u
The problem with people understanding counter steering is that they think these two are different things 1: steer to the right to go left 2: push right to go right or pull right to go left As explained in the video, these two are the same thing and are both counter steering. What happens if that they think 2: is normal steering while only 1: is counter steering, and this is because most people are doing 2: unconsciously while for 1: you are trying to do it consciously (when I tried to do 1: in the starting, it felt very scary because the bike quickly turns in the opposite direction). That is why most of the people don't even touch 1: but this can cause accidents like that first crash clip into the truck.
Good video but couple thoughts on centripetal vs centrifugal force. Centripetal force is basically the net force required for the angular acceleration being experienced. It wouldn't really be appropriate to say centripetal and centrifugal forces oppose each other. There is not really any centrifugal force acting on the motorcycle, instead the friction force is accelerating the bike into the circle. There is not any force that is pulling the bike out of the turn. The less friction you have the bigger the radius of the circle you are turning in. With no friction you proceed to travel in a straight line.
Just to clarify what was simplified beyond the frame geometry, etc. First of all, the gravity acts on an entire combined object, not just on the centre of gravity. Second, the centre of mass, which is the pivotal point of the combined mass of the vehicle and its rider (on the diagram in this video marked with a circle of arrows) is not the same as centre of gravity. So when the tires loose traction while the bike is leaning (i.e. there's nothing to stop the gravity from from pivoting the bike), the mass that's above that point pivots to the inside of the turn and the mass that's below it (i.e. tires) pivots to the outside, meaning the tires literally go off the ground (as in: to the outside *and up*). Due to gravity acting on the entire object, it looks like a fall and not like the bike pivoting while hanging in the thin air. I'm explaining this because people seem to not understand that while the centripetal force mathematically acts on the contact patch, the centrifugal force doesn't act on the centre of gravity (that's around the waistline of the rider) but rather on the centre of mass (i.e. the pivotal point) which makes the maths behind it way harder to explain, even though the result is exactly the same.
Running wide... Target fixation... what needs to be taught is how to lean the bike... watch Rugby players, soccer/football players, and how they change direction to go around other players/opponents... they tilt the hips and push the feet out! and that is what allows them to change direction! a Motorcycle is no different, you have to tilt the bike in BEFORE it can change direction. running wide and target fixation are one in the same, and it comes from not tilting/leaning the bike over before trying to turn the bars like you would a steering wheel... in fact trying to turn the bars away from whatever needs to be avoided is what stops the bike from being able to lean away, and then turn away! it is not a mental thing of seeing something and heading straight for it, it is seeing it and not KNOWING how to turn away from it, it is a struggle when you try to use the bars alone to turn away, and it will never happen because the pressing need to turn the bars away, takes counter steer, and turns it around backwards making you go towards whatever you want to avoid... Ride a dirt bike, watch police training, watch experienced ADV riders... they all keep the upper body upright and tilt the legs (and the bike in the process) just the way athletes on a field tilt their hips and legs to change direction. It is learning to do that and not to try to steer with the hands that will eliminate the fictional concept of target fixation. My V-strom turns so much better than it used to, and it's because my hands are now only working the controls and not trying to steer, it is my hips and rapidly reducing waste line that are doing all of the steering inputs.
Obviously we all carry laser angle meters, or install lean apps on our smartphones and feverishly check the degrees mid corner (j/k). In all seriousness, how does someone go about understanding when maximum lean is reached?
Isn't the exercise at 4:36 supposed to teach one how to achieve the maximal angle for a particular bike in more or less safe conditions? Then all you need to do is to more or less remember this angle with your body sensors... This is how I understood it
I've been riding daily for over 30 years, and I still watch this man's videos. He's probably the best/smartest motorcycle instructor on UA-cam. 🤘
Agreed
I'm a new rider, and I watch the videos for the detailed explanations, as it helps me improve my skills faster, and I watch DanDanTheFireman to think more about safety when riding, as he's doing lots of after action reviews on motorcycle accidents where he explain how to avoid the situations in general
Spot on mate! 🎯
If I would say something about Andrey and his videos I could use your words.
Same here, I've been riding for 30 years non stop and still learn from him.
Regards from Brazil.
☮️ 🛣 🏍
@lassebrustad Dan is okay, but knowing what will happen, isn't what you need to be studying. You need to learn how to never be in that situation in the first place. I've never been involved in a motorcycle accident, and my motorcycles are my only mode of transportation.
@@NoNeedForSensorsOnUA-cam Dan explains how to prevent accidents, so idk what you mean by that, but it doesn't look like you watch his videos
you are the gold standard in teaching motorcycle riding
Except he knows nothing about the physics lmao, there is no such thing as Centrifugal force. That was all nonsense
@@OArchivesX It is a pseudo force, sure, but it depends if you're using an inertial frame of reference. The easy example is when you're driving in a car and suddenly turn, the things inside the car, which still carry the momentum, "turn" the opposite way. That is centrifugal force, the one symmetrical to centripetal, which works to maintain a given momentum. If you were to lean on a bike without it moving, it wouldn't rotate while falling, but simply fall in the same angle which it had standing up
@@DiogoSilva-qn8qo This precisely👆 Centrifugal force is a convenient way to present the rider and a bike as an inertial frame of reference (which in reality it is not).
Some of the best motorcycle safety content on UA-cam. And the heavy Russian accent just makes it so endearing.
Come on Andrey, your speaking is absolutely fine and your subject expertise is on another level. On top of that, you are quite funny 😄 Keep up the good job!
I have a lot of horse riding experience and it amazes me how much translates to riding motorcycles. I find myself steering my bike with my hips/legs just as much as my hands just like I would barrel racing on a horse. It’s been so much fun, plus gas is cheaper than hay lol. Thank you for your great videos!
There are two absolute standouts from this video: 1) he gives imho the clearest explanation of, not only countersteering, but what to do correctly after you've countersteered. 2) he doesn't gratuitously show all of the mistakes made by the riders crashing, which would normally bring in the vultures.
Both of these are very classy...
8:44 "...alignment of planets, and retrograde Mercury." How you say that with a straight face is beyond me. 🤣🤣🤣
I live on a mountain area so every single time I leave my house I have twisties and upward and downward swerves, it's very fun to be a rider here. I learned how to corner VERY quickly riding here
Kind of like being thrown into the deep end of the pool to learn to swim.
I learned in in some pretty hilly country, no mountains to be sure, but I still find practicing slow speed maneuvering and emergency braking in a parking lot to be very helpful. As has been said, you don't want the first time you try emergency braking to be when you need to be good at it.
I started riding 40+ years ago when there wasn't much good information around. But there was plenty of bad information, that everyone I knew seemed to believe.
Better than my state where every god damn road is a straight line.
@@capper6100
Kansas or Iowa?
@@jerrylong381 I read up on counter steering before I even touched my first motorcycle and was an avid mountain biker too so I had good balance sense on 2 wheels. Feel like those 2 things helped a lot in riding. Remember doing low speed maneuvers really well in my MSF course compared to the other riders, mountain biking for 25+ years helped a lot with that.
@@capper6100 Florida? FL was such a straight flat plane state for me. I remember being able to see like 10 miles ahead of me on the highway there, was weird
I literally am sitting at home in a body brace due to breaking my 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lumbar vertebra from sliding out of a left hand turn, right into a nice and cozy... reinforced storm drain 😬🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤣
Wow, that's unfortunate😳 I wish you a swift recovery!
Sorry to hear. Get well soon!
Get well soon👍🏻 Happy you survived
I'm sorry you got hurt, man.
I wish you a speedy recovery and no long term issues.
Take what you learned and get back on that bike.
get well soon man! and come back riding with us ✌
It took me about two years of riding until I noticed that in a surprise situation (pothole, object on pavement) I developed the correct instinct about swerving around it in the correct direction. You can practice this by challenging yourself to suddenly avoid a point on pavement when it doesn't matter which way you go around it.
It's the first time I genuinely learn useful stuff on a yt video about driving. Your explanations are just perfect and on point. You've really helped me drive safer and more secure of what I'm doing and what I should do next. Thanks!
Andrey is the best motorcycle instructor on youtube.
As someone who is taking the MSF course this weekend I've been bingeing all of your videos to get a better understanding of how things work. I can't thank you enough!
Take it slow and practice within your abilities. This hobby takes time to develop muscle memory and mental energy necessary to ride safe. Hope your class is going well, and welcome to the club.
@@CaptainFishHead720 Earlier today i finished the course. Shiny (the instructors nickname) said that we had the best final test scores out of any class hes had in the last ten years. All of us had zero incidents on all of the tests. Ill take that as a win lol
Awesome! Congrats on the new shiny endorsement. As you head out on the road, remember to ride your own ride. Stay within your comfort level and assume you're invisible; you'll have a lot of good riding years ahead of you. Oh, and Harleys suck. 😉
@@CaptainFishHead720 It's funny you say shiny endorsement. Shiny was our instructors nickname, he was a pretty good dude.
70 year old retired RN here, been riding about 25 years and now doing trail riding with my grandsons. I love your content and lovely “speech impediment “. You’re adorable! ❤
What do you mean by speach impaired Andrey? I can understand you perfectly. All your videos are to the point and clear. Please continue being the best moto teacher on youtube! Thanks.
Thank you for explaining why keeps the bike up. I would have never known.
this video is exceptional and exemplary, thanks for creating such great videos, I’m looking forward for the next one!
I think most of the confusion around countersteering comes from the word "steering" in it, since that usually means more than just giving one short impulse. So most people get the mental image of speedway racers drifting through corners with the wheel facing outwards when hearing about it for the first time.
Oh man, that was jampacked with information, it'll take me 6 months to practise and digest it all 😄
Im taking his course King of the Road (unfortunately at a very slow pace because of some minor health issues) and it’s quite fantastic.
And yet, he publishes some free videos that, most of them, are indeed extraordinary.
Thank you.
Hope you dont cut the king of the road online access, as im very late on it 😢
Best explanation of countersteering 👍👍
lol "speech impaired" 🤣
We understand you just fine bro!
Chur from NZ. 👊
Right its like you're learning how to ride from a Star trek dude lol
"Just lean it, bro!" - hilarious! And something my friend has actually said to me!!!
Thanks, Andrey! Did not know what "trail"meant until this video. ❤
Totally excellent video!! I LOVE physics, and so your equations and explanations really were a wonderful addition to the practical application of the science behind turning. I think the part about how the gyroscopic forces are not the ONLY, or primary, force behind why bikes stay up. The demonstrations were perfect for explaining how steering geometry is so vital to why bikes stay up. Pushing the pedal bike backwards really solidifies that concept. As always, ride safe, ride well, and ride often, and thank you for all that you bring to the riding community. There are only four channels worth a damn on UA-cam... Yours, MCrider, Canyon Chasers, and Police Motor Training with Quinn Redeker. If I added just one more, it would probably be Jerry Paladino at Ride Like A Pro.
Man i dig your videos 😝👍 So educational to all riders new & old 🏍 Knowledge is NOT a Burden my father sometimes would say to me 🤔 Knowing the correct way is the right way when it comes to motorcycle riding & staying safe in most cases 👍😊 Another fantastic Video matey ! Cheers from Bundaberg Australia 🇦🇺🍹🕺
I walked right into Professor Bodrov’s lecture. Centripetal force?!!! I dig this course!!!!😂
New rider here. Watched this video few times but the whole process is so weird initially that it took me 30min of convincing my brain that we are not in a car (27 years of driving...) and this is absolutely fine. It is funny how 'walking' the bike also helped..
Ты определенно лучший мототренер на UA-cam!
I think forgetting about counter steering has more of an effect on target fixation when it comes to panic mode and people running straight into things. They are trying to turn the bike but when they do it feels like the bike is going in the wrong direction and then it just creates more panic.
@@mattman3495 that’s why counter-steering should be done iwith intent and practiced in all its forms: push or pull or both. I really can’t understand how this technique is underrated by so many people , even “experienced” ones!
I’m not an experienced rider but the number of times I see faster riders go wider because of just using their bodies (and feet, or whatever) is astounding!
Vision is paramount but knowing how to rapidly and efficiently lean a bike (whatever bike) is a life saving!
It took me about two years of riding until I noticed that in a surprise situation (pothole, object on pavement) I developed the correct instinct about serving around it in the correct direction. You can practice this by challenging yourself to suddenly avoid a point on pavement when it doesn't matter which way you go around it.
Awesome video, very well made, great content 👍
I really appreciate the analysis of the guy who went head on into the fire truck. He recently put up another video and in it you hear him suggest the wind pushed him into the truck, but I agree from you slowing the footage down that it's very clear that he's pushing with his left hand which appears to give contradictory steering inputs to the bike. Obviously what he needed to do was to push down on the right bar to lean the bike and turn it into the corner.
Thank you that you teach this. I am glad i learned this early on (including crashing a cheap 50cc bike) an use the countersteering to point the bike where i want when i go lame in the corner.
Such clever and informative content mate. You offer something different to other channels. Keep up the great work and thanks for helping us riders
Nothing against my current instructor, but I wish you were my instructor. Thank you for these videos
20:15 This rider understands counte steering just fine, it’s simply panic resulting in target fixation that caused this.
Also I think he is pulling the front brake hard. This makes it stand up and go straight. You can see it bouncing up and down as the abs comes on / off.
Last video he goes from 77mph to 49mph. He is braking hard which is pushing him onto the bars and it won’t turn. Happened to me previously. Solution is to ease off brake and it will turn.
@@xcelmaster4779 absolutely, braking just adds to the pile.
Braking makes the radius smaller and the bike wont stand up. Acceleration will do that @@xcelmaster4779
Speech impaired? Nonsense! A joy to listen to. Subscribed.
Andrey, your course is amazing!
Watched all three videos, excellent. Thanks
Here in Norway instructors don't call it counter steering anymore. Now it's called precise steering input.
I got my license in 1978 and have never heard a real instructor use the term counter steering. Main steering inputs on a motorcycle are the handlebar torque and body movement. Counter steering is what we use for controlling a skidding rear wheel as we see it in speedway racing.
Isn't it a Good Idea to not drive too fast around an unknown corner ??? You never know what is around the corner. Where I live Motorcyclists have impaled themselves on Farm Machinery. I was overtaken by a Show Off on a Big British Motorbike when I was 17 yrs old on my Triumph Tiger Cub. I rode carefully around a blind corner and he was lying in the Road, twitching. He has crashed into the side of an Articulated Lorry pulling out of a Construction Yard. He had smashed his Head in despite wearing a Helmet. It's a Shock to see someone Die Right in front of you !!! Now I'm 70 yrs old and have 3 Motorbikes. The Moral of the Story is Don't Drive like a Lunatic, or You'll End Up Dead !!!
Completely agree to you 👍 Unfortunately maturity can't be taught 😊
Another great video! Your opinions are backed up by facts and science.
Hi Moto Control! I'm just curious about one thing at the minute 16:51 can you do it with any bike? or is there a risk of the bike turning off and falling, for example on small single cylinder bikes, I don't know? I mean Full Lock U-Turn without hands, thanks for the reply, beautiful videos I wish you a lovely rest of the Dayy! ❤❤❤❤🏍👊✊
My friend Andrey, I wish you the best! Greetings from Greece
The video of the biker going into the truck explained a lot to me. I took a similar corner and the more I tried to lean the bike the wider it kept going because I was doing the same thing, turning right to go right instead turning left and resulting in a better lean/turn right.
Sir, you are genius in your explanations . Brilliant 🤩
Brilliant video! I thought you were going to cover mid-corner braking in this video, have you covered that in another video or is it coming soon?
Great , just great!
With regard to the thermal underwear choice you have adapted for yourself: This garment is highly flammable and, if that is against your skin in a crash where you catch on fire, let’s just say you’re not going to think it’s all that great. A better choice is Lana wool in a thin base layer as it does the same things you discussed, but has the added benefit of being antibacterial/antimicrobial thereby reducing the smelly effect of your choice. Leather clothing on top of that or a higher denim fabric allows breathing and fire resistance in crashes where a person catches on fire. FYI.
“Ride your ride” comes to mind for this video. This could show a group of three; two out in front and one, perhaps a newer, less experienced rider, trying to not get left behind…my take-away? When riding in a group, try sharing the different positions, so you learn a bit more about riding and riders. River canoeing has a “sweep” position at the tail…picking up lost gear and also getting pre-warning of changing conditions! Ride safe 🎠
All the physics are right (don't ask me how I know :)).
And it's entertaining. Best instructor on youtube. I watch others too but keep coming back for Andrei to learn his take.
Video's are just part of it. I keep making annotated screenshots for myself so I can come back to his points quickly when reviewing.
Maybe youtube should start offering a tool for that...
actually there's not such thing as centrifugal force. There is a centrifugal effect instead, due to the rotation energy. The centripetal force does exist and prevents us from losing the curve radius. But that doesn't spoil the video in any way. Andrey's channel is the best. Gracias amigo!!
Well i like Chocolate Thickshakes with Malt 🥤🕺👍@@MauricioLJ
Sarah Corner! 😂
He has got to be a Dad! That's when it starts.😂 I love his humor.
I learned a lot from you today. Thanks a lot. I thoroughly enjoyed this. Yo made a big difference in my understanding of cornering.
I'm a fresh rider and would be glad to learn some good exercises for practicing counter steering
7:32 I'm always so happy about how much sass and pizazz they put into the little sign of a guy using a crosswalk. That dude is vibin so hard.
Блин, это бомба 😊
Спасибо за такие разжеваные объяснения!
Aside the bad English this was a great video! Thanks for sharing.
Some bikes require not just a quick counter steering input to initiate, it also needs it throughout all of the turn, or it will want to stand up and continue straight.
20:18 it looks like target fixation as well as the constant yanking on the handlebars making him go wider. What is your recommened course of action?
Excellent video! Thank you, sir!
Thank you for your effort and rally good lessons.
The guy with the mt-07 also had his eyes on the fire truck, and it’s known that you go where you look. So, panic made him look at the truck so his brain didn’t let him go on the other side of the road where it was clear by “deleting” the countersteer technique.
When I first started riding on track I had a nasty habit of pushing the bar until the apex - I thought you had to keep steering the bike to the apex - instead of just one press. no instructor has explained this to me yet!
For a speech impaired instructor, its really easy to understand you
Low speed maneuvers.. slipping clutch while braking. Question: Thinking front brake would be more effective.. a pushing rear tire pushing into an off center front with brake applied would seem to have a direct Lifting result. I can't control the throttle and front brake precisely enough, but trying. Might be worth moving the front brake to the right foot peddle to manage independent control of Clutch, Front Brake, and Throttle. Thoughts?
Great review, thanks..I always learn alot watching your vids...Riding for many years, still learning..? leaning ?
I have learned so much, and im just using a ebike, one day i will buy a motorcycle
Counter steering (not that "counter" should be used before the fact, but instead as a "response to" so technically the terminology is incorrect) is how we keep the bike stable and extremely low speeds, ie, when creeping along behind slow moving traffic where we can't let the clutch all the way out and have to keep some pressure on the rear brake to avoid reaching a slow walking pace. or even when we are balancing while Stationary, just the same as when people on pushbikes do it, by turning the front wheel we move the corresponding balance points to avoid falling over... this is EXACTLY the same as when we are moving at any speed, but to actually initiate a turn, we need to move the balance point before the turn can begin, and that can also be achieved by tilting the hips and the bike, and letting the bike steer itself!
Best explanation of the subject. Thank you.
Hi, nicely explained in clearly formulated text, but at 17:30 about the counter steering (input), maybe an addition could be that the "falling" into the opposite direction of steering is induced by the gyroscopic force of the front wheel. You could show this with a rotating bycycle (again 😉) wheel in your hands (or did you ever do this? it is a physics demonstration at school) : if you (try to) turn this wheel to the right, you will feel and show that this wheel is forced (with force 😉) to lean to the left. Only after this (counter steering input) the bike geometry stabilizes the bike to go and stay in the left curve.
If the bike was not moving (frontwheel not rotating), and you turned the handlebar to the right, the bike would fall to the right just because of that geometry : rake / trail / frontwheel contact point moves to the left, where the bike centre of mass would then be on the right side of the line through the two tire to road contact points.
You can also see this with the bike on the side stand, if you turn the handelbar to the right, the bike moves to the right i.e. more vertical. You can use this effect also when parking the bike on a slight decline to the left, so the bike is not too much inclining to the left, so that it is easier to get it upright again when leaving. Or move the handle bar to the left on a decline to the right, so the bike is moving left and thus parked more stable.
About the video at 20:22 one has to remember : if you need to pass the truck on the right side, "just" push on the right side of the handelbar as a built-in reaction (so : push right goes right). I have needed this correction when a truck or bus "suddenly" (my mistake) appeared in a left side corner. The otherway around, you push to the left side of the handle bar to escape from the curb on the right side (push left goes left). Somehow luckily this automatic reaction is built into my system anyway (if I did not pay enough attention to the road etc.). And swerving around suddenly appearing pot holes is of course also based on this counter steering.
In the end : riding a motorbike = counter steering, even if you are not aware or told, there is no wat around (😉) it. If/when you learned push bike riding, you eventually did counter steer (to keep balance even in a relatively low speed "straight" line), without knowing, that is why it is called : "learning to ride a bycycle". So, it is in the system of new riders as well (referring to other commentrs), I think there is too much focus in the internet on counter steering as if it were "magic". Indeed it is usefull to be aware beforehand in case of emergency situations, but it should then be an automatic reaction from your system (from practice? riding ? experience?), otherwise you are too late anyhow.
Thanks for your good videos.
No gyroscopic front wheel effect required. Just lean effects and steering geometry.
The gyroscopic force of the front wheel alone is not enough to tilt the whole bike with all its mass and inertia.
When you turn the handlebar left the bike will try to make a circle to the left but then centripetal force will throw the bike outside the circle, which is the right side, and with the tire still on the ground, the bike will tilt right.
@@yuushin1 Thanks you for your reaction, but, sorry, what you indicate, is not how it works with a single track vehicle (e.g. motorbike). With cars, indeed the centripetal force puts the car in a curve, but with cars there is no tilting (not needed due the weight that makes a moment/force-couple combined with the dual track width). If you might mean this comparable effect on a motorbike, it would be a very small force, due to the very slight countersteer handlebar-steer-angle.
On a motorbike, the INITIAL input comes from the (relatively huge) countersteering gyroscopic effect (which in fact stabilizes the bike upright in forward motion), after that you keep the handlebar/steer in the direction of the curve (with force felt in the handle bars depending on geometry, tire width etc., like what you could feel in the steering wheel of a car).
If you want to see just one example of some literature on gyroscopic steering (because, I did not make this up myself, but I know this since my studies some fourty years ago), please see this quote:
"Gyroscopic effects from handlebar motion.
Since the wheel's direction of motion is perpendicular to the steering axis, turning the handlebars from right to left generates a gyroscopic moment around the roll axis"
"This moment tends to tilt the motorcycle in the opposite direction from the steering motion; for this reason, to curve into a direction during fast driving, the rider exerts a quick rotation of the handlebars in the opposite direction. The higher the velocity of handlebar rotation W, the higher will be the moment that tends to incline the motorcycle into the opposite direction."
This quote comes from (more references mentioned there as well, also pictures of motorcycle wheel with the forces that work on it):
www.dynamotion.it/dinamoto/8_on-line_papers/effetto%20giroscopico/Effettigiroscopici_eng.html
Or, maybe please see this on youtube itself, demonstration of the bicylce wheel as I mentioned before,
"Understanding Gyroscopic Precession and Motorcycle Counter Steering" :
ua-cam.com/video/1HaHMbNbcPY/v-deo.html
and this is very much focussed on motorcycles, by Lynne Fitzpatrick on Jan 17, 2024:
georgeleesye.com/the-effect-of-gyroscopic-precession-on-motorcycle-steering/
happy reading🏖
@@PeterBaumgart1a Hi, still you manage to ride a bike 🙃? Please see what I answered to @yuushin1. I mean : you cannot defy nature ....... just the laws of physics. People told me they do not believe in countersteering, although they apply it, no way around it, apparently unknowingly. Leaning and weight shifting has an effect indeed, but countersteering is much stronger thus quicker.
Why risk getting the pegs so low to the ground.
Edit: and do we really need to lean so much, why?
"Sarah Corner". Nice.
21:59 "or could brake properly" - what's the best way to do it? Front brake can make you lose traction, so should you just gently use the rear one..?
Trail brake
@@bhok1971 sure, what I mean is when you are already inside the turn, you’ve eased on your braking as you increased lean angle, and then realize you need to shed more speed. Do you use the rear brake or go back & add more pressure to the front brake?
@@gomes.98too much front brake mid turn will make the bike stand up, so use the rear more, not to the point of locking up the rear or you will low-side, but that's still way better than grabbing the front and high-side
I love these videos! greetings from colombia
Good technically accurate video. 👍
Great video. Well explained.
Brilliant video!
Andrey, Very good information !
To drive and Get the feeling, bit slower and the turn goes good, the surfes of the road is not flat do to wheel track its bowing
appreciate u spending the time sharing ur knowledge. first bike. grom clone. blew up the engine already. puttin zs212 in at the moment damn shame all this bs going down around us. the brainwashing is strong. u ever ride in the states before? im in Philly roads terrible in spots. not too bad by me, but there are those roads. we all got them. not too far from Washingtons Crossing....if that shits even real who knows. appreciate u
The problem with people understanding counter steering is that they think these two are different things
1: steer to the right to go left
2: push right to go right or pull right to go left
As explained in the video, these two are the same thing and are both counter steering.
What happens if that they think 2: is normal steering while only 1: is counter steering, and this is because most people are doing 2: unconsciously while for 1: you are trying to do it consciously (when I tried to do 1: in the starting, it felt very scary because the bike quickly turns in the opposite direction).
That is why most of the people don't even touch 1: but this can cause accidents like that first crash clip into the truck.
So what is the best way to recover from a too steep of a lean angle, once we feel that the tires are losing traction?
Take away lean angle or slow down. There's only 2 choices.
Good video but couple thoughts on centripetal vs centrifugal force. Centripetal force is basically the net force required for the angular acceleration being experienced. It wouldn't really be appropriate to say centripetal and centrifugal forces oppose each other. There is not really any centrifugal force acting on the motorcycle, instead the friction force is accelerating the bike into the circle. There is not any force that is pulling the bike out of the turn. The less friction you have the bigger the radius of the circle you are turning in. With no friction you proceed to travel in a straight line.
I learned something today from your sharing. Thanks
Love your teaching thanks so much for the videos
Thank you very much for those contents!
Great instruction and explanation
Thanks for the video, great content 👍
Your explainations are exemplary!
The most common thing among your watchers is not a motorcycle anymore, but the lack of knowledge what does ПЦИЗ 52s mean 16:21
The planet alignment gets me year round 😢
Go Cruiser riders! Spasibo for covering those. All these youtube videos out there focused on racing bikes do nothing for me.
What is the max G loading during breaking for tire grip? Assuming initial braking occurs with no lean angle.
Brilliant! Thanks
Just to clarify what was simplified beyond the frame geometry, etc. First of all, the gravity acts on an entire combined object, not just on the centre of gravity. Second, the centre of mass, which is the pivotal point of the combined mass of the vehicle and its rider (on the diagram in this video marked with a circle of arrows) is not the same as centre of gravity. So when the tires loose traction while the bike is leaning (i.e. there's nothing to stop the gravity from from pivoting the bike), the mass that's above that point pivots to the inside of the turn and the mass that's below it (i.e. tires) pivots to the outside, meaning the tires literally go off the ground (as in: to the outside *and up*). Due to gravity acting on the entire object, it looks like a fall and not like the bike pivoting while hanging in the thin air. I'm explaining this because people seem to not understand that while the centripetal force mathematically acts on the contact patch, the centrifugal force doesn't act on the centre of gravity (that's around the waistline of the rider) but rather on the centre of mass (i.e. the pivotal point) which makes the maths behind it way harder to explain, even though the result is exactly the same.
put this calculation on the dashboard using the IMU 😍
Really excellent information.
мотосиське на месте, я доволен. Ждем серии на русике. Почему-то смотрю обе, хотя хорошо понимаю твой английский.
Running wide... Target fixation... what needs to be taught is how to lean the bike... watch Rugby players, soccer/football players, and how they change direction to go around other players/opponents... they tilt the hips and push the feet out! and that is what allows them to change direction! a Motorcycle is no different, you have to tilt the bike in BEFORE it can change direction. running wide and target fixation are one in the same, and it comes from not tilting/leaning the bike over before trying to turn the bars like you would a steering wheel... in fact trying to turn the bars away from whatever needs to be avoided is what stops the bike from being able to lean away, and then turn away! it is not a mental thing of seeing something and heading straight for it, it is seeing it and not KNOWING how to turn away from it, it is a struggle when you try to use the bars alone to turn away, and it will never happen because the pressing need to turn the bars away, takes counter steer, and turns it around backwards making you go towards whatever you want to avoid... Ride a dirt bike, watch police training, watch experienced ADV riders... they all keep the upper body upright and tilt the legs (and the bike in the process) just the way athletes on a field tilt their hips and legs to change direction. It is learning to do that and not to try to steer with the hands that will eliminate the fictional concept of target fixation.
My V-strom turns so much better than it used to, and it's because my hands are now only working the controls and not trying to steer, it is my hips and rapidly reducing waste line that are doing all of the steering inputs.
Counter steering is done with the hands, the fastest way to steer and serve. Push right to go right
Obviously we all carry laser angle meters, or install lean apps on our smartphones and feverishly check the degrees mid corner (j/k).
In all seriousness, how does someone go about understanding when maximum lean is reached?
Isn't the exercise at 4:36 supposed to teach one how to achieve the maximal angle for a particular bike in more or less safe conditions? Then all you need to do is to more or less remember this angle with your body sensors... This is how I understood it
@@papa_zef oh, great thanks! I guess I missed that part..!