Armies of the First Dark Lord Morgoth - Middle-Earth Lore DOCUMENTARY

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  • @WizardsandWarriors
    @WizardsandWarriors  6 місяців тому +16

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    • @danielsantiagourtado3430
      @danielsantiagourtado3430 6 місяців тому +3

      Can't get enough of your work! Henry V lives please ❤❤❤

    • @HainiDjokovic1995
      @HainiDjokovic1995 6 місяців тому +1

      When will you cover the GoT universe? It seems you have not posted GoT in a very long time

    • @comentnine1574
      @comentnine1574 6 місяців тому +3

      Say in the future is it possible for you guys to do a series on the Ember War Universe by Richard Fox?

  • @richardthomas9497
    @richardthomas9497 6 місяців тому +97

    18:32 One correction; it was Ecthelion of the Fountain that killed Gothmog. As Glorfindel slew another Balrog blocking the path of survivors from Gondolin.

    • @alexolah1313
      @alexolah1313 6 місяців тому +3

      Was looking for this

    • @monmonsterk
      @monmonsterk 6 місяців тому +2

      Yeah it did not sound right.

    • @alexolah1313
      @alexolah1313 6 місяців тому

      The problem is that from that point on, for me it sounded like the whole video was made with artificial inteligence, whitout the poster actually reading the books.

    • @dyutimandas9772
      @dyutimandas9772 6 місяців тому +3

      Yeah, quite the mistake, when considering in their actual first age series they mentioned this correctly, while here, they mention this wrong

  • @TheDannyDeez
    @TheDannyDeez 6 місяців тому +23

    Ecthelion went down like a true chad, taking down dragons and balrogs, finishing gothmog before falling himself. One of the most underrated characters in the tolkien legendarium

  • @clarkvelasco4697
    @clarkvelasco4697 6 місяців тому +138

    My boy Fingolfin gave Morgoth a limp before going down like a true Chad.

    • @greenmountainpokemon2112
      @greenmountainpokemon2112 6 місяців тому +3

      If Morgoth didn't take him down, he'd be UNSTOPPABLE by the 2nd & 3rd age 🤯🤯. Came you imagine Azogg trying to stand up to Fingolfin or any of the 1st age "higher-ups"

    • @theelectricprince8231
      @theelectricprince8231 Місяць тому

      50 got shot multiple times, no limp.
      Morgoth gets a few cuts, limping for the rest of his life. Washed 😭

  • @myriadmediamusings
    @myriadmediamusings 6 місяців тому +91

    Sauron may have been a force to be reckoned with during his time, but he had to have gotten his legions from somewhere, and Morgoth at the height of his power with hordes of orcs, armies of balrogs, dragons, other creatures, and Sauron himself, was a monstrous sight to behold.

    • @Bionickpunk
      @Bionickpunk 6 місяців тому +10

      So were the elves, humans and Valar. Everyone's power level was higher in the first age.

    • @williamcortelyou9072
      @williamcortelyou9072 6 місяців тому +10

      ​@@Bionickpunk
      Morgoth was on a whole other level though. His goal was to make all of middle earth his "ring" basically. Even when the Valor came at him.he was still.winning. Took the valar version of the god of war to turn the tides.

    • @Bionickpunk
      @Bionickpunk 6 місяців тому +8

      @@williamcortelyou9072 Not that he wasnt powerful, he was, its that the rest of the Valar were so inactive until most of Middle Earth was conquered. And yeah, Tulkas is a no-nonsense beast, he was the biggest proponent against Melkor/Morgoth since the creation of the world. Just need to state that power scaling was insane in the first age. The strongest elves, humans, dwarves, dragons, balrogs existed back then. By the time of the third age, we basically are dealing with remnants of what once was.

    • @baronvonslapnuts
      @baronvonslapnuts 6 місяців тому +1

      Gotten.

    • @trilobite2500
      @trilobite2500 6 місяців тому +1

      More like 3 to 7 balrogs at the most. Tolkien wrote the fall of gondolin before deciding that they should be much more powerful but less numerous.

  • @epicazeroth
    @epicazeroth 6 місяців тому +123

    Oh good, someone else remembers Boldogs exist. You guys went deep for this lore. And the art is really next level, your Glaurung is terrifying.

    • @richardthomas9497
      @richardthomas9497 6 місяців тому +8

      The Boldogs are only mentioned in The History of Middle-earth volumes, that is really going deep.

    • @nvmtt
      @nvmtt 6 місяців тому +7

      I didnt even know vampires existed in this settings, let alone them.

    • @AndyOdin22
      @AndyOdin22 6 місяців тому +1

      If anything the glossed over the lore in the most casual fashion and made errors.

    • @bitterzombie
      @bitterzombie 6 місяців тому +2

      Boldogs are really important to the lore I think, despite barely getting mentioned. They offer hints to how the orcs and other monsters were originally created, by fusing an otherworldly spirit with a physical being until their "souls" are fused into one

    • @billysunday7507
      @billysunday7507 6 місяців тому +1

      Pretty common knowledge .

  • @ShadowNetWeaver1
    @ShadowNetWeaver1 6 місяців тому +9

    "The Alliance of All" honestly goes SUPER hard

  • @ZacharyReaper
    @ZacharyReaper 6 місяців тому +12

    I've been a huge fan of Tolkien for 20 years, read the books, silmarilion, watched the movies, played the games, and I've never know about these Vampires and Boldogs. You guys really did your absolute best for this huh?

    • @Draxynnic
      @Draxynnic 6 місяців тому +1

      Vampires are mentioned in the Silmarillion, but Tolkein's vampires very different to how they're normally pictured ("werebats" might be a more accurate appellation) and they don't exactly get much of the spotlight. Sauron's vampire messenger gets some mention in the story of Beren and Luthien, but from memory it's pretty much "she causes them some problems, gets killed, and then Luthien takes her form as a disguise".

    • @richardthomas9497
      @richardthomas9497 6 місяців тому +1

      The Boldogs are only mentioned in the The History of Middle-earth volumes.

  • @Kevin-vc3jf
    @Kevin-vc3jf 6 місяців тому +15

    i dont remember ungoliath being morgoth's follower if i recall correctly he just enticed the great spider to do his bidding since ungoliath have this insatiable hunger/thirst. So i guess its just a temporary agreement.

    • @donglerongle3109
      @donglerongle3109 6 місяців тому +1

      yeah then ungoliant kidnaps morgoth and old morgy has to cry for all his balrogs to be saved

    • @leftifornian2066
      @leftifornian2066 6 місяців тому

      @@donglerongle3109it was all his master plan

    • @SeptimoBasico-nu8uh
      @SeptimoBasico-nu8uh 6 місяців тому +3

      @@leftifornian2066 That admitedly backfired horribly near the end and almost ended with him being spider food. That being said, how hilarious would it be if Morgoth ended up being devoured by Ungoliant, his phisical body dissolved but his spirit remaining trapped inside, having to be rescued by one of the other Ainur, possibly one of the Valar like Tulkas? The wound to his pride if that had came to pass would probably be the worst seen in all of the history of Arda.

  • @AndyOdin22
    @AndyOdin22 6 місяців тому +14

    Gothmog was slain by Ecthelion not Glorfindel who died vanquishing an unnamed balrog.

  • @c.antoniojohnson7114
    @c.antoniojohnson7114 6 місяців тому +10

    Tulkas standing over Morgoth,he had the mastery that day.....

    • @morgothfromangband6082
      @morgothfromangband6082 6 місяців тому +1

      It is a total plothole in the history of Middleeaerth in my opinion that Tulkas didn't just capture Sauron when he rose to power after the fall of Morgoth.

  • @johnsteiner3417
    @johnsteiner3417 6 місяців тому +8

    You neglected to mention what they did to Morgoth before throwing him through the Door of Night.

  • @UndeadBrett
    @UndeadBrett 6 місяців тому +13

    "I would have followed you my brother, my captain, my dark lord."

  • @adamwee382
    @adamwee382 5 місяців тому +2

    6:01 it wasn't because the Orcs/Goblins were afraid of the sea, it's because of the lord of the waters, Ulmo,. He's one of the most powerful Vala (think Poseidon) and he favored Elves and Men. Melkor wouldn't concern himself with the Orcs wants, wishes, or fears. I realize that this video is trying to condense a lot of material, so I'm not saying that the writers of the channel didn't know this. I'm just pointing it out to people who may not know.

  • @brenthenshaw3585
    @brenthenshaw3585 Місяць тому

    18:49 Yes, Earenndil survived the Fall of Gondolin (FA 510), but he was 7 years old at the time. He would not travel to Valinor until c. FA 538, as he was at sea when Elwing escaped from the Third Kinslaying at the Havens of Sirion.

  • @jamesworsham13
    @jamesworsham13 2 місяці тому +1

    Glorfindel didn’t kill gothmog. Ecthelion did before the fountain. Glorfindel slew a balrog in the path protecting refugees. You all should look into the Fall of Gondolin. It references more fully Morgoths use of engines of war. Some of the “Dragons” were metal with hearts of fire. Probably the equivalent of first age tanks

  • @motzechella
    @motzechella 6 місяців тому +6

    correction it was not glorfindel it was actually ecthalion who slew gothmog in singlecombat glorfindel killed another balrog

  • @jeffcordova9633
    @jeffcordova9633 6 місяців тому +3

    A new upload about MORGOTH!!!

  • @ricardoandre7049
    @ricardoandre7049 6 місяців тому +8

    It is a good reminder that all of these numbers is but speculation from the OG sources as Tolkien gave us numbers extremely rarely.
    Never did he give numbers on Melkor's hosts, and even those he gave changed over time. (The Balrogs started as extremely high quality formation with a few hundreds among their number to 7 at the end of his writings (making the fights of Gandalf, Glorfindel and Ecthelion much more impactfull)

  • @samsondonxavier3774
    @samsondonxavier3774 6 місяців тому +9

    Guys I’m your biggest fan!! Could you do a detailed video on Feanor please. Of a similar length to the on one ‘The rise of Morgoth’. Morgoth and Feanor being the two most fascinating and intriguing characters ever penned by mankind!!

  • @GarethOB_
    @GarethOB_ 6 місяців тому +2

    Please release a complete video of your second age series

  • @richardthomas9497
    @richardthomas9497 6 місяців тому

    It's good to see more Middle-earth lore, with the artwork, presentation and story.
    I hope we'll see the continuation and completion of previous lore videos; including the Thrawn Campaign, Wheel of Time and First Law.

  • @Licht.von.Stein.
    @Licht.von.Stein. 6 місяців тому +2

    Not completely sure about references, but in my head I belive the difference between orcs, goblins, and uruks are goblins - mockery of dwarves, orcs - mockery of man, uruks - mockery of elves.
    P.S. I am aware of the interchangability of orcs and goblins; goblins being used in the hobbit while orcs on the LoTR books.

    • @JustFlemishMe
      @JustFlemishMe 5 місяців тому

      While the three terms are simply the same in different languages (Goblins English, Orcs (Orc/Yrch) Elvish and Uruks (Uruk-hai) Orcish), I think there is a sort of 'hierarchy' to it; the different languages being used actually a mark of varying respect levels. The strongest subspecies or variety of Orc being referred to in their own tongue.

  • @WhoIsCalli
    @WhoIsCalli 5 місяців тому

    Really enjoyed this ‘armies’ series 🧝‍♂️

  • @morgothfromangband6082
    @morgothfromangband6082 6 місяців тому +1

    I have always imagined the Angband orcs like the orcs in the animated Bakshi movie.

  • @thestanleys3657
    @thestanleys3657 6 місяців тому +11

    Orcs. lots and lots of orcs with a side of monsters

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 6 місяців тому +4

    Thanks For this Guys! You're the Best! ❤❤❤❤

  • @K4n01
    @K4n01 2 місяці тому

    The fact that Haldad was Haldar's father makes all the sense of the Tolkien Universe.

  • @DagorBragollach
    @DagorBragollach 6 місяців тому +1

    Glaurung is terrifying

  • @franzbesup9575
    @franzbesup9575 6 місяців тому +1

    Always glad to see new middle earth content on this Chanel! Will the 2nd age videos eventually be edited as one long documentary, like you did for the 1st age?

  • @Byenie0912
    @Byenie0912 6 місяців тому +4

    If there ever will be a silmarillon strategy game in the future, I hope the devs punish the player if he cheats by allowing Morgoth to copy a cheat
    Like for if player typed infinite money, Morgoth would have that as well. And if the player typed faster production, Morgoth would have that as well
    Because I’m the silmarillon, it seems like Morgoth has a cheat engine.
    There’s no way he can feed millions of orca and hundreds of dragons from his territory alone. He had to have used Valar magic to spam a resource cheat.

    • @SkagulTV
      @SkagulTV 6 місяців тому +1

      Warpten from wc3 basically

    • @Byenie0912
      @Byenie0912 6 місяців тому

      @@SkagulTV
      haha i forgot about Warcraft III. I'm more of a Total War guy

  • @KroiAlbanoiArbanon
    @KroiAlbanoiArbanon 6 місяців тому +2

    Please do some ancient mythologies. Greek mythology, Norse mythology, celtic mythology,egyptian,mythology,indian mythology,sub saharan folkore, the grim brothers tales original forms. Sub saharan and native american folklore is quite interesting too.

    • @richardthomas9497
      @richardthomas9497 6 місяців тому

      Covering mythology, legends and folklore would be a different subject from more recent fantasy, Sci-fi and alternate history worlds. The best way they could cover it is something like Homer's The Iliad, covering the War of Troy.

  • @napoleon6071
    @napoleon6071 6 місяців тому +2

    Gothmog slew and was slain by Ecthelion of the Fountain, not Glorfindel. Glorfindel slew and was slain by a lesser Balrog during the flight from Gondolin.

  • @reaver5
    @reaver5 6 місяців тому +1

    This series is amazing, love this warhammer and horus heresy stuff!

    • @CryptidRenfri
      @CryptidRenfri 5 місяців тому

      Warhammer?
      I'm assuming you're just making a joke that's gone over my head 😅

  • @jonbaxter2254
    @jonbaxter2254 6 місяців тому +1

    I wonder what the Union Orc from Two Towers is up to? Is he helping create better working environments and sick pay for his orcs?

  • @Xevos701
    @Xevos701 6 місяців тому +6

    The First Dark Lord

  • @Reoh0z
    @Reoh0z 6 місяців тому +1

    I enjoyed this video very much, thank you!

  • @siewmj1
    @siewmj1 2 місяці тому

    I can see why men of darkness play an important role for sauron. He needs naval force

  • @TheRavenLord1
    @TheRavenLord1 6 місяців тому +2

    For the Dark Lord Morgoth.

  • @shawnberry760
    @shawnberry760 6 місяців тому +1

    Man, do I love your videos!!!!

  • @Sandbarfight
    @Sandbarfight 6 місяців тому +1

    Best LOTR lore videos!!!!! Thank you brother 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @ethanpf449
    @ethanpf449 6 місяців тому +1

    Can you continue the First Law series

  • @Snek407
    @Snek407 6 місяців тому +4

    Me when there's still no First Law vid: 😔

    • @richardthomas9497
      @richardthomas9497 6 місяців тому

      I also hope the Thrawn Campaign hasn't been forgotten. 😔

  • @DeRegelaar
    @DeRegelaar 6 місяців тому +1

    Did Tolkien or his son ever clarified what Dragons were corrupted from? What is their origin being? Are they maiar aswell as balrogs?

  • @Lycurgus1982
    @Lycurgus1982 6 місяців тому

    No matter Morgoth's ultimate fate. He still had the last laugh as he had infused his power into the world Arda itself.

  • @thomasrinschler6783
    @thomasrinschler6783 6 місяців тому

    What gets me is that after the Noldor arrive in Middle-Earth, they go to Angband... and just sit there for 400 years doing nothing. Yes, the Prophecy of Mandos stated that they were doomed to failure, but... why didn't they try? The Gates of Angband weren't unassailable - Gwindor and his company burst through them in the Battle of Unnumbered Tears. Orcs are repeatedly portrayed as falling like dry chaff before the flame when the elves attack them, and we've seen that Maiar like the Balrogs and even Sauron can be defeated by them. And Morgoth himself isn't invulnerable - Fingolfin wounds him pretty badly seven times. If just one elf can do that, what would happen when tens of thousands of elves, joined by tens of thousands of dwarves, just zerg rush Angband? Especially right after the rising of the Sun, when the orcs were at their weakest, the Noldor are still strengthened with the light of the Two Trees having not faded in them yet, and Morgoth not having grown his forces or created things like the dragons yet. They would have annihilated the orcs with ease, taken down the Balrogs, and made their way to Morgoth himself. Could Morgoth all alone prevail personally over 100,000 elves and dwarves? I personally like to think that they would have defeated him and Sauron, dragged them back over the Helcaraxe to Valinor, thrown them bound into the Ring of Doom in front of the Valar, and just return to Middle Earth saying nothing. Manwe just looks at Mandos, who shrugs and says that sometimes free will trumps prophecy.

    • @Byenie0912
      @Byenie0912 6 місяців тому +2

      I believe the Noldor tried to enter Angband but it was too difficult to occupy.
      Imagine an ant colony. But it's as big as the Himalayan Mountain Range. Goodluck trying to map and secure each and every cavern inside and outside the mountain.
      Look at the Misty Mountains. No matter how many orcs and goblins they slay from Gundabad down to Moria, there were still enemies everywhere.
      Even the Valar gave up on invading Utumno
      That's why they just nuked Angband and sunk it under the sea. It's the only way to win.

  • @Anglomachian
    @Anglomachian 6 місяців тому +1

    Hey guys, just reminding you again that the Legacy of Kain is still a series that needs an awesome Wizards and Warriors series to its name. Would be happy to lend any assistance in the lore if needed.

    • @richardthomas9497
      @richardthomas9497 6 місяців тому

      What is Legacy of Kain about?

    • @Anglomachian
      @Anglomachian 6 місяців тому

      @@richardthomas9497 In short, it’s a Shakespearean-style gothic tragedy which follows the story of Kain, the eponymous vampire main character, and Raziel, the wraith deuteragonist, as they uncover and battle against a sinister plot by enigmatic forces to subvert the natural order of the world of Nosgoth.
      I could give a slightly more in-depth description of the story, but that’s the prospectus of sorts. It’s my favourite video game series of all time.
      If you type “Kain Raziel Pillar cutscene” into UA-cam, you should find a 6-7 minute video that gives a particularly sublime example of the crème that is the Legacy of Kain.

    • @Anglomachian
      @Anglomachian 6 місяців тому +1

      @@richardthomas9497 in short -and I do stress the word short - Legacy of Kain is a grand gothic tragedy of the Shakespearean sort, following the story of the eponymous anti-hero vampire Kain, and the deuteragonist messianic wraith Raziel, as they battle through sinister forces to uncover a millennia spanning plot by dark forces to subvert the life cycle of the world of Nosgoth.
      It’s a video game series, and I can say with no hesitation, is my favourite series of all time.

    • @Anglomachian
      @Anglomachian 6 місяців тому

      @@richardthomas9497 if you want a brief example of the series sublime writing and dialogue, type “Kain Raziel Pillars cutscene” in, and you should find a 6-7 minute video that shows it off particularly well.

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    @Reoh0z 6 місяців тому +1

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    My advice, cancel it immediately and manually renew it if you want to later.

  • @kek105
    @kek105 6 місяців тому +2

    The cooler dark lord

  • @RyanMcGrath-z8i
    @RyanMcGrath-z8i 5 місяців тому

    dear wizards and warriors if you gays are reading this then i would like to recommend a new series to caver. It is called 1632
    by Eric flint it is were a west Virginian town from the year 2000 is through unknown means sent back to to the year 1632. I would highly recommend it I think it would be amazing to see it giving the treatment good luck.

  • @nvmtt
    @nvmtt 6 місяців тому +1

    Hol up.........he had vampires? how did we miss that?

    • @Draxynnic
      @Draxynnic 6 місяців тому +1

      They're not the vampires you're picturing. "Werebats" might be more accurate. Thuringwethil appears in the Silmarillion, but only across a couple of pages as Luthien uses her form as a disguise.

  • @greenmountainpokemon2112
    @greenmountainpokemon2112 6 місяців тому

    2:44 i dont think Ungoleant was originally was a "follower" of Morgoths...
    Much like the un-nameless things, she came from beyond the dark void 🤷‍♂️

  • @hello7032
    @hello7032 6 місяців тому +3

    Anytime I think the elves are arrogant pricks I remind myself of the heavy lifting they did in those first two ages

    • @CryptidRenfri
      @CryptidRenfri 5 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, they kinda earned the right to be a little arrogant and prideful

  • @baronvonslapnuts
    @baronvonslapnuts 6 місяців тому +1

    Given the characteristics of the early orcs it seems weird that they're corrupted elves and not corrupted dwarves.

  • @funkeyfreddy
    @funkeyfreddy 6 місяців тому

    You can’t make people hate you more if eu already hate you completely. Kick a bear and act surprised when it turns around and bites you

  • @pyeitme508
    @pyeitme508 6 місяців тому +1

    Wow

  • @BetterCallThall
    @BetterCallThall Місяць тому

    Did i just get sold somerhing actually useful by a UA-camr?

  • @alexcount5130
    @alexcount5130 6 місяців тому

    Let go

  • @SamuelViana
    @SamuelViana 6 місяців тому +2

    I know that this is an old discussion and I will remember it : how the black races reproduced themselves? There is no reference to female orcs, female trolls or female goblins? Morgoth only twisted and corrupted former races like elves or dwarves to turn them into monsters. But surely there was not enough "pure" individuals to be twisted in order to fill the numbers of armies that Morgoth needed. My only answer is that they reproduced assexually, parthenogenesis, or in simpler words, cloning.

    • @BobdaButcher
      @BobdaButcher 6 місяців тому

      Orcs and all other foul creatures “reproduce after the manner of the children of Iluvatar”. This confirms they reproduce sexually and thus there are male and females of all of them. They are not directly referenced since it’s never relevant to the main stories.

    • @emerestthisk990
      @emerestthisk990 6 місяців тому

      Yes, same way Saruman made the Uruk-Hai with the orc emerging out of pupae fully formed? I mean I never saw a kid orc...

  • @AlphariusDominatus
    @AlphariusDominatus 6 місяців тому

    Ecthelion killed Gothmog. Not that overrated loser Glorfindel

  • @johnsteiner3417
    @johnsteiner3417 6 місяців тому

    I do wonder what it suggests that we never see women orcs.

  • @ahmedshaharyarejaz9886
    @ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 6 місяців тому

    Is Putin the Morgoth of our Middle Earth?

  • @theawesomeman9821
    @theawesomeman9821 6 місяців тому

    My peeve with Tolken is that he makes humans and their allies significantly militarily inferior to the Dark Lord who has demons and dragons but expects his audience to accept that the good guys some how come up on top without any formidable magical power ups or advance technological weapons.

    • @Draxynnic
      @Draxynnic 6 місяців тому +2

      First and to a lesser extent Second Age Noldor did have a significant power up, and in the Edain were much more powerful before the long decline in the Third Age. Dragons shifted the balance of power and the good guys were steadily losing after they appeared, until the Valar themselves (and the even-more-powered-up-than-Noldor Vanyar) showed up.
      The end of the Second Age had the Elves and Numenoreans still retaining enough of their power to take down Sauron.
      The Third Age really had no hope of a military victory, just holding out long enough to take Sauron out some other way.

  • @hedinsee6830
    @hedinsee6830 6 місяців тому +1

    If you touch on the Professor's work, first do take a minute to learn how the names are actually pronounced.

  • @newjones1754
    @newjones1754 6 місяців тому

    just stick with kings and generals this is not your cup of tea