The reason BG3 is game of the year is becouse it is a monumental industry achievement. Also, being a full no microtransaction nonsence compleated game helps. Sure, it cannot be everyones cup of tea, yet so many people who hated turn based combat loved the game. BG3 revived a genre, that was essentially dead. BG3 is by far the most influential game of the year. It will be remembered as a milestone 20 years from now. Wartales influenced nothing, Tears of the Kingdom is a sequel. BG3 is at its core a niche game, and yet one so well made it earned universal success. Getting 90% like ratio for a niche game is remarcable. Doing that with all the new audience even more so. Tears of the kingdom and it's 95% is a different story. Why would someone, who didn't like Breath of the wild buy it? It had no new audience to win over, so this does not compares. Now for Zelda being only for Switch. 19 mil. is not a bigger achievement. What else are you going to buy for Switch? BG3 had way more competition. Bashing BG3 for achievement numbers, and then showing numbers for other games that was comparable or worse was just a "Bruh" moment. Finnaly, about Divinity 3 arguement... BG3 is as big as it is, not for combat, but for gameplay and completely innovative storytelling. It has so much new compared to DOS 2 and still the combat is a different system! So what is alike? Visuals, item management and being turn based? Every point you made is deeply flawed, AND you completely miss the bigger picture. This is why gaming comunity celebrates every BG3 win. How do you think community would react if Wartales would win game of the year? It would be an obvious disaster. Well, at least the clickbate is good. P.S. sorry if my English was broken.
The video was somewhat of an ironic take. I mean, I thought that was fairly obvious with bringing Dave the Diver into the argument. I wasn't arguing that Wartales should be game of the year, even though I enjoy it far more than BG3. And I'm not saying that BG3 is a bad game, subjectively for myself it is, but objectively it's not. Certainly what Larian has achieved is impressive. However, in what way has Larian innovated? Yes, they've revived a genre with a game that is ambitious in scope and detail. Yet, there is nothing new, nothing innovative. What new features or gameplay has Larian brought into gaming with BG3?
@@OttoResolve I'd agree that Wartales is a more unique game, but I absolutely think BG3 had more to offer as GOY. I love a lot of unique games with interesting gameplay like Wartales - Mount and Blade, Wildermyth, etc. It also has a lot of traits similar to those games, though it's more innovative in gameplay concept than BG3. Where I really feel BG3 'innovated' is in the following traits: - Character Depth. The companions, the random people in the world, and the PC almost all have depth, and it's very relatable. Is it entirely original? No, but they also explored much more than similar games, like DA or ME, where characters could be 3 dimensional, but not necessarily as sympathetic, especially when they weren't good. It's honestly closer to the PF games in that respect, but I personally abhor the gameplay in those, even as a big Pathfinder TTRPG fan. - Choice and Consequence. I will never forget playing BG3 in EA, letting a child get murdered, and later, sitting by and watching as the parents got revenge on the killer. Most playthroughs won't even have the kid die. You can interject in the murder attempt, or you cannot. These are notable scenes, but the characters themselves aren't technically important - these are not your companions, and this aftereffect is of no importance. But it really makes your intervention (or lack thereof) in the earlier scene matter, to an extent I believe most would agree has never been done. - Gameplay. Okay, so this section is hard. Obviously, it's based on D&D 5e. Not only is that an existing system, but games have worked off of it (Solasta) or off of similar systems (the Pathfinder games for example). However, something I love about BG3 is that it didn't stick to any of those. It was willing to make changes for the different medium, but also willing to against the grain for existing games in the franchise (turn based mode). It's similar to their prior Divinity OS games, but it's still far closer to D&D 5e than those. While no aspect of the game is necessarily unique, the combination of the choices was. -Lastly, Amount of Content. I love RPGs, CRPGs, TTRPGs, etc. I've played many in this realm. BG3 is easily the most ambitious when it comes to player choice and the sheer amount of content packed in it. Even ignoring the different branches any player can take, and the different outcomes for the choices, you spend little time wandering without reward. In some games, like any Bethesda game, you can spend a lot of time travelling and 'exploring' but not doing anything or finding anything new. BG3 is absolutely full, and it's with unique content. You aren't doing a fetch or escort quest of the same kind over and over again (looking at you, DA:I) but a constantly evolving story. Not every piece matters on a broad scale, and you can skip a lot of the content with no effect on the main ending outcome, but seeing the people you've saved later or in the epilogue is very fulfilling.
Spent a lot of time looking at the sales and metrics without actually paying attention to the game. A higher quality game is more appreciated no matter how you it cut it.
When this whole video comes across as the guy who didn’t read “to kill a mockingbird” trying his hardest to convince everyone that the book is a book on bird gang violence… My dude, if you’ve done 20% of your required reading, you don’t know what the book is about, if you only played act one, you don’t know what the game is about, quit griping about a game that didn’t just blow the genre out of whack, it blew the industry so far out of the water other developers had to pay people to put it down to keep their games from getting thrown into the muck.
If a game makes you want to quit gaming altogether should you keep playing it? I couldn't avoid the empty feeling BG3 kept giving me. But the point of the video, was to attempt an objective viewpoint, based on the people who have played and have reviewed it among a handful of other games.
Fine if you didn't like it but Baldur's Gate 3 didn't just win because of sales. It was barely even advertised and still got those sales from people talking about how good is is. It absolutely earned game of the year and is easily one of the best games ever made period. Going by the things the game accomplished and the way the devs stayed on producing fixes and patches to not only ensure everything works well but also add lots of extra free content... It's not even subjective to say it's at least a strong contender for game of the year whether you liked it or not.
Dropped the ball? Forget the sales numbers, the game is amazing. Definitely, BG3 is game of the year. It’s in the top 5 for me with best games I’ve ever played. And this is after hating it for the first few attempts of playing it. I gave it a final attempt after hearing how amazing it was. I am so glad I did. It’s funny that you look at sales numbers as the big reason why it won. It’s almost like you’re clueless about the actual game. Put some time in the game. Give it a shot.
Oh I've tried it. My friends have also forced me into a coop playthrough. BG3 almost made me quit gaming to be honest. But I understand I am in the minority. If you love the game, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just not for me at all. As I said, I have a long list of gripes with the game that I could get into but I'd rather not go down that rabbit hole. This was meant to be more of an ironic take, and I wanted to highlight some of the objective reasons why I believe there were better games out this year. In any case, I appreciate the comment Joebeezy.
Saying BG3 "almost made me quit gaming" is the most ironic thing ever. Seriously? You would quit playing games entirely because of one game you didn't like? If it isn't obvious how biased your take is already that seals the deal. It's the game of the year for the majority, that's the point. I personally didn't play it, and I prefer spider-man and TOTK, but action and adventure games aren't the only thing people love, and Baldur's Gate 3 did things for the genre that revolutionized it.@@OttoResolve
You’ve fallaciously made a qualitative argument/claim and called it “objective.” What a joke. Quality is always subjective, in fact any value claim is subjective, and by deciding to value the metrics you chose the way you did, you subjectively put it together. Cope harder. And actually learn what objectivity means.
Well, I mean, if you want to be philosophical about it, the notion of any objective perspective is impossible. But, I attempted as best I was able. I mean, what's not objective about pointing out that the majority of the people who bought the game didn't play it one third of the way through?
>quality is always subjective if something has an objective goal, function or aim and quality is the degree to which it achieves that purpose, then there's an objective nature to it if you build a car with square wheels and advertise it as a means of transportation, it's a bad car but if you build a car with square wheels and present it as art then yeah maybe some people will consider it high quality, depending on what your goal is as an artist not really defending this otto guy here though because bg3 is a beauty, but I feel you're unnecessarily salty we sometimes need controversial opinions in this world. people praised the hell out the witcher 3, and while its world and story are 10/10 its gameplay is shit and that deserves to be said. same with bg3s flaws
I just want to point out that the sales figures for bg3 come to about 21 million on Steam alone which I feel is actually more impressive than tears of the kingdom on switch given the wide availability of switch consoles versus pc users
BG3 had MANY studios saying they COULD NOT match the quality that larian provided, and to not expect it to be the new standard in the future. tears of the kingdom just added a battlebot simulator and a funny button that lets you combine 2 things. maybe go play baldurs before trying to trash it..?
Its the only game this year I liked so for me it was goty. Dont really care about award shows though, I decide what is and what is not good for me, not others.
If you begin your video with “popularity doesn’t make a game good” you shouldn’t then proceed to argue entirely on the basis of popularity. I would have genuinely be interested in criticism of the actual game, rather than achievement stats.
Just want to throw it out there - ignoring everything else, I would consider Zelda being a single platform game a weakness, even if it sold well for it's limited platform. Personally, I've never been big into Zelda, and probably wouldn't have gotten TotK or BotW, but I also don't have a switch and am not tempted enough by those games to get one. Since it's not on other platforms, it limits who can play, even if it makes sense as a marketing tactic. People who do have a switch are also probably more likely to enjoy certain genres or game series that would draw them to the platform. It's like saying did FFXVI did really well comparatively even though it was only available on Playstation, a platform where Final Fantasy fans (like myself) may be more inclined to join. Also, 10% of players not finishing the tutorial is actually a really good metric on steam, similar for the 4 long rests at about a 40% fallout rate! You can't just say a stat and act like it's really meaningful without significant context. Let's compare to Wartales for a moment, completing a contract (a pretty basic action in the gameplay) has been completed by about 85% of players. If you want a more equivalent player, like Dragon Age Inquisition, only 65% of players have finished the prologue on steam, or Fallout 4 where 83% of players have entered the wasteland. 90% is really good stat. The 4-5 long rests is also very, very subjective. It probably took me about 50 hours to get to my 5th long rest in my first playthrough because I used them as sparingly as possible. I think I was level 4 before Astarion bit me even.
bro i don't think you're looking at this objectively. sales #'s are not the only metric. i agree that Zelda's sales with the more limited audience are more impressive technically but IT'S FREAKING ZELDA!! a legendary IP and a sequel to one of the most popular games of all time the fact that it's even close is a huge for BG3. the fact a sequel of a 20 year old game in a niche genre is competing in the same ballpark speaks volumes to the quality of the game. I get the game is not for you maybe you don't love turn based combat, maybe you prefer more open world or a faster paced game maybe you prefer a more arcadey gameplay loop that's less focused on story and more focused on quick easy and more immediately measurable progression, and that is fine. But this game impacted the industry on a level no other game this year managed. You can say you don't like it, that it's not for you but to say it's not a quality game that made a huge impact is disingenuous. Everyone who bought Tears of the Kingdom knew exactly what it was going to be and so the only people who bought it were people who knew they were going to love it. BG3 came out of nowhere and a lot of people were experiencing this genre for the first time and some realized the genre is not for them, but for the people that this genre is for, most would consider this to be the best game in that genre to be released. As far as the drop off in the achievements you can see that across almost all major RPG games. Witcher 3 is one of the most popular games of all time and has a 25% completion rate and only 62% of players made it past the prologue. Last years GOTY Elden Ring only 67% of steam players made it past the first major boss Godrick. Most people do not finish these kinds of massive 100+ hour RPG's. Heck i havn't even got to the third act myself yet in BG3 and it's still my favorite game of the year, the fact that people havn't finished it doesn't speak to the games quality. I'm sure a lot of people heard the hype bought it and realized it's just not for them after doing the prologue so dropped it, that happening is not an indictment of the games quality in fact I'd say almost the opposite, it shows how far outside of what would normally be it's core audience it reached. The fact it didn't end up converting every one of them into long term players doesn't mean it's bad it just means some people who decided to give it a shot despite being a genre they don't like didn't end up being convinced... Many many people were convinced though. Don't get me wrong I loved Dave the Diver and Tears of the Kingdom both. In fact i think i might have more hours in Dave the Diver than BG3 but that's because it requires so little commitment and is the kind of game i can turn my brain off and just chill while i watch UA-cam or focus on other things. Everybody played Dave the Diver and they said "damn this game does a great job at being a fun chill game with a simple gameplay loop that i can repeat for hours" it did a phenomenal job of being what it set out to be and since what it set out to be was so simple there is not much criticism you can levy at it. nobody played Dave the Diver and had there minds blown at just how expansive and dynamic and epic a journey videogames could provide because it wasn't tryin to make people feel that. Metrics are not the only thing that matters, impact matters and i don't think anyone can reasonably deny that BG3 had the biggest impact on the industry this year. TLDR: Tears of the Kingdom was a solid game everyone saw coming for years and that performed about as well as it was expected to, Dave the diver came out of nowhere Was a game that performed excellently in the metrics because it was very straightforward about what it was and it did a great job at being what it said it was going to be but was never gonna be a game that blew peoples minds. BG3 is a game that came out of nowhere blew even the wildest expectations and projections out of the water and will likely have a lasting impact on the industry moving forward. That is why it won.
The biggest factor that won it game of the year isnt sales, its the cultural impact and splash it left on the gaming community. In that respect its similar to Elden Ring Tears of the kingdom is a glorified breath of the wild expansion. Wartales is an ok indie game i guess but i couldnt stay with it long enough to finish it so will refrain from a definitive stand on it.
That's like saying Zelda Majora's Mask was dlc to OoT. Which it definitely was not. TotK is way more than a dlc bro. Either way though. The game awards are lame af anyways. Only internet vultures care really.
@stasiatheo sex scenes having an impact. 🤦♂️ Nobody else did a bear sex scene because why the F would they do that? Look sex scenes is no different than when game tease a dog mechanic. It means they fell off. Lost ideas. No more creativity. So they resort to some of the 7 deadly sins. Which would be lust. Its easy to make and easy to make money off. Facts. Lol BG3 is just lust. Steam has better hentai games. Just saying. Haha
@@momsspaghetti4064 I'm confused, I never said anything about bear sex scenes or sex scenes at all. The impact is the general enthusiasm and love for the game in the wider gaming community.
Who and where said that the game of the year becomes the most sold game? (if there is some credible source that I might have missed please coment me one) And please give me the source of these sales numbers that you were talking about. (I can't see any official info about that also). Don't wanna be harsh or anything I just want the sources that you used for this video
Apologies @Rayoks. The BG3 sales numbers were reported by SteamSpy stats acquired by Steamdb.info and also by GamEFaqs. And Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom was reported by Statista. It's hard to find official numbers but I had hoped the numbers I used would at least be in the ballpark. Game of the year being equal to the most sold copies is what's called a strawman argument. Lol. This video was more of an ironic take and not really intended to be taken 100% serious. I thought that was fairly obvious with the thumbnail and the fact that I declared DAVE the DIVER (a game barely anyone has ever heard of) as game of the year. However, the butt hurt and fragile reaction of many of the BG3 fans indicates to me that there may actually be some veracity to my claim. In any case, thank you for the comment.
Dude you are assuming that they gave him game of the years for the copies sold? It sold because the love and quality they put on the game 😂. If you want to be "unique " for the sake of being unique but be objective dude. For example I personally hate RDR2 that game is boring AF but I recognize the quality and level of detail of the game and wouldn't be against any recognition against it. The community has spoken, that the point of democracy. Zelda is a re-work of the previous one.
ok Rag.....let's get to understanding why you formed your opinion. I'll probably disagree with you....and you do you man. You got some strong feelings on the matter and it aint your thing. But the game took on a beloved legendary franchise, exposed wrongs in the Gaming industry and is a legendary game for a CRPG. Your metrics don't measure players feelings about the game's innovative choices, great narrative and improves on DOS2 already stellar system. Heck it improved 5e itself! Hope my comment improves your algorithm rag....
I'll follow up on this video at some point. This obviously wasn't meant to be super serious. Honestly I made this video for Flint. Lol. Especially the thumbnail. There was a lot of cherry picking involved here. But if you want an idea about how I formed my opinion, the genesis of my thoughts on the topic are in my initial impressions video of BG3: ua-cam.com/video/20KpKpvyMD4/v-deo.html As to Larian "exposing the wrongs in the Gaming industry", I would pause there for a moment. Yes, Larian has done some good, no micro transactions and what not. But, make no mistake, they're part of the same club. They're clearly using data collection to manipulate their audience, they released a game that was incomplete in order to get ahead of their competition, this game had a massive shill campaign, they shamelessly promote the premium edition of the game or whatever it was, and, there is a not so subtle political world view present in BG3 that one might even go as far to say is propaganda. Leaving all of that aside, especially the political leanings (which, for me, break the immersion and make it impossible for me to get any enjoyment out of the game), it's really hard to go from a game like Wartales to BG3. One is game of the year, the other game of the century. Wartales is superior in every way except cinematics. When you play a game with endless depth you start to realize how shallow the experience is in BG3. In any case, like I said, I'll follow up on this at some point. I appreciate the comment @Sesimie.
you were very much in the minority of people who didn't like it. Just because you have bad taste doesn't mean they "dropped the ball" also comparing Baldurs Gate to the barbie movie is a really stupid comparison imo, Baldurs gate did mroe than just sell well.
I don't think it's likely that you played Baldur's Gate 3 based on this video but it doesn't really matter to me. If war tales was your game of the year, then good for you. I have a feeling this video is likely going to drive a bunch of people bananas. Trying to measure the game of the year objectively is definitely a choice. Just remember that Baldur's Gate 3 being a fantastic game that won game of the year does not make any qualitative statements about any other games. You're allowed to have contrarian opinions but I think it's probably best to have the self awareness to realize those opinions are contrarian. The public sentiment was that this game of the year was inevitable.
Why did the algorithm feed me this mindless drivel? Is this an intentionally clickbaity hot take? I think there were a lot of great nominees this year but it was pretty clear to me who the winner should and would be right away. Even if you don’t enjoy the style of gameplay, it’s hard not to like the care and attention put into making the game and supporting the community.
Baldur's Gate 3 has (atm) 22m copies sold and 450,000 Overwhelmingly positive reviews. Come on man what are you really making a video about. comparing a few percentage points of negative and positive reviews, looking at steam achievements to try and make a correlation to people not liking the game. not everyone who buys games can play them non stop, most can't actually. and given that BG3 is co-op many people (MYSELF included) only play when their co-op friends are able to play as well. Only 24% of players have beaten the campaign for gta 5 does that mean its a bad game? Come on man, you don't like the game. that's fine statistically most people did, and from a sales perspective BG3 sold more copies than Wartales made in dollars.
This is the most wack, dense, smooth brained take. I hope i clicked off fast enough to not count as a view. BG3 was a crowning achievement in a genre of game that you dont like...
this just comes across as the person who wants to be edgy by disliking popular things because they're too cool to bandwagon popular things. when a game comes out that forces other AAA games to tell their audience "don't ever expect a game like that from us, larian studios is an anomaly," that game deserves a reward from the stupid ass game awards show. i do agree on your point that game awards in general is just a front for adsense and it's nothing but ads now (cutting off your award winners speeches to literally 15-20 seconds so you can fit in as much time for ads as possible is so fucking stupid) even if you dont like RPGs, DnD, narrative games, etc. the fact that they even continue to release giant 50gb-80gb updates of content for free instead of charging audiences $40 DLCs is, in itself, deserving of a reward. also i aint gonna trust anyone saying they loved starfield's opinion cuz they just make up the audience of idiot casual gamers that let game companies get away with shovelware
Statistics be damned, AW2 was my GOTY. All the other games mentioned here are great (except Starfield; I like starfield, but I would be lying if I said it lived up to even half of its hype), but none of them come close to AW2. But then again, I'm biased AF. As most of us are.
Imo. Without breasts, dongs and sex scenes. This game wouldn't have gotten GOTY. Nope. I've been playing for years and was young once. Lol. I promise they sold ya'll nothing more than lust. All these excuses. Blah blah. As I said. I remember being young once. 😅
I think the game including things like ‘breasts, songs and sex scenes’ just adds to the immersion. With how much freedom the game gives you do to whatever you want, it only makes sense that the game gives you the option to run around naked or share intimate moments with other characters. You don’t HAVE to do these things and I personally knew nothing about these options before purchasing the game.
@@stasiatheo BG3 imo is the most boring game I have played this year my dude. Turn based is seriously outdated and boring. Square Enix stopped turn based for a reason. It's boring. But if you toss in boobs and dicks in. GOTY right. 🤦♂️ Larian makes literally the same shit over and over. Reskinned bs but this time. Their game had sex. Wow. Impressive not.
This is some hard Copium.
Haha. Don't mind me @Evocatio. I'm just a bitter old man.
The reason BG3 is game of the year is becouse it is a monumental industry achievement. Also, being a full no microtransaction nonsence compleated game helps. Sure, it cannot be everyones cup of tea, yet so many people who hated turn based combat loved the game. BG3 revived a genre, that was essentially dead.
BG3 is by far the most influential game of the year. It will be remembered as a milestone 20 years from now. Wartales influenced nothing, Tears of the Kingdom is a sequel.
BG3 is at its core a niche game, and yet one so well made it earned universal success. Getting 90% like ratio for a niche game is remarcable. Doing that with all the new audience even more so.
Tears of the kingdom and it's 95% is a different story. Why would someone, who didn't like Breath of the wild buy it? It had no new audience to win over, so this does not compares.
Now for Zelda being only for Switch. 19 mil. is not a bigger achievement. What else are you going to buy for Switch? BG3 had way more competition.
Bashing BG3 for achievement numbers, and then showing numbers for other games that was comparable or worse was just a "Bruh" moment.
Finnaly, about Divinity 3 arguement... BG3 is as big as it is, not for combat, but for gameplay and completely innovative storytelling. It has so much new compared to DOS 2 and still the combat is a different system! So what is alike? Visuals, item management and being turn based?
Every point you made is deeply flawed, AND you completely miss the bigger picture. This is why gaming comunity celebrates every BG3 win. How do you think community would react if Wartales would win game of the year? It would be an obvious disaster.
Well, at least the clickbate is good.
P.S. sorry if my English was broken.
The video was somewhat of an ironic take. I mean, I thought that was fairly obvious with bringing Dave the Diver into the argument. I wasn't arguing that Wartales should be game of the year, even though I enjoy it far more than BG3. And I'm not saying that BG3 is a bad game, subjectively for myself it is, but objectively it's not. Certainly what Larian has achieved is impressive. However, in what way has Larian innovated? Yes, they've revived a genre with a game that is ambitious in scope and detail. Yet, there is nothing new, nothing innovative. What new features or gameplay has Larian brought into gaming with BG3?
Also it isn't a ubisoft like open world like spiderman 2.
@@OttoResolve I'd agree that Wartales is a more unique game, but I absolutely think BG3 had more to offer as GOY.
I love a lot of unique games with interesting gameplay like Wartales - Mount and Blade, Wildermyth, etc. It also has a lot of traits similar to those games, though it's more innovative in gameplay concept than BG3.
Where I really feel BG3 'innovated' is in the following traits:
- Character Depth. The companions, the random people in the world, and the PC almost all have depth, and it's very relatable. Is it entirely original? No, but they also explored much more than similar games, like DA or ME, where characters could be 3 dimensional, but not necessarily as sympathetic, especially when they weren't good. It's honestly closer to the PF games in that respect, but I personally abhor the gameplay in those, even as a big Pathfinder TTRPG fan.
- Choice and Consequence. I will never forget playing BG3 in EA, letting a child get murdered, and later, sitting by and watching as the parents got revenge on the killer. Most playthroughs won't even have the kid die. You can interject in the murder attempt, or you cannot. These are notable scenes, but the characters themselves aren't technically important - these are not your companions, and this aftereffect is of no importance. But it really makes your intervention (or lack thereof) in the earlier scene matter, to an extent I believe most would agree has never been done.
- Gameplay. Okay, so this section is hard. Obviously, it's based on D&D 5e. Not only is that an existing system, but games have worked off of it (Solasta) or off of similar systems (the Pathfinder games for example). However, something I love about BG3 is that it didn't stick to any of those. It was willing to make changes for the different medium, but also willing to against the grain for existing games in the franchise (turn based mode). It's similar to their prior Divinity OS games, but it's still far closer to D&D 5e than those. While no aspect of the game is necessarily unique, the combination of the choices was.
-Lastly, Amount of Content. I love RPGs, CRPGs, TTRPGs, etc. I've played many in this realm. BG3 is easily the most ambitious when it comes to player choice and the sheer amount of content packed in it. Even ignoring the different branches any player can take, and the different outcomes for the choices, you spend little time wandering without reward. In some games, like any Bethesda game, you can spend a lot of time travelling and 'exploring' but not doing anything or finding anything new. BG3 is absolutely full, and it's with unique content. You aren't doing a fetch or escort quest of the same kind over and over again (looking at you, DA:I) but a constantly evolving story. Not every piece matters on a broad scale, and you can skip a lot of the content with no effect on the main ending outcome, but seeing the people you've saved later or in the epilogue is very fulfilling.
@@genevievec.8002I completely agree with everything you’ve said. Well put.
Spent a lot of time looking at the sales and metrics without actually paying attention to the game. A higher quality game is more appreciated no matter how you it cut it.
When this whole video comes across as the guy who didn’t read “to kill a mockingbird” trying his hardest to convince everyone that the book is a book on bird gang violence…
My dude, if you’ve done 20% of your required reading, you don’t know what the book is about, if you only played act one, you don’t know what the game is about, quit griping about a game that didn’t just blow the genre out of whack, it blew the industry so far out of the water other developers had to pay people to put it down to keep their games from getting thrown into the muck.
If a game makes you want to quit gaming altogether should you keep playing it? I couldn't avoid the empty feeling BG3 kept giving me. But the point of the video, was to attempt an objective viewpoint, based on the people who have played and have reviewed it among a handful of other games.
Fine if you didn't like it but Baldur's Gate 3 didn't just win because of sales. It was barely even advertised and still got those sales from people talking about how good is is. It absolutely earned game of the year and is easily one of the best games ever made period. Going by the things the game accomplished and the way the devs stayed on producing fixes and patches to not only ensure everything works well but also add lots of extra free content... It's not even subjective to say it's at least a strong contender for game of the year whether you liked it or not.
Anyone notice when he compared the reviews he neglected to show how many people actually gave a review for wartales compared to baldurs gate?
Dropped the ball? Forget the sales numbers, the game is amazing. Definitely, BG3 is game of the year. It’s in the top 5 for me with best games I’ve ever played. And this is after hating it for the first few attempts of playing it. I gave it a final attempt after hearing how amazing it was. I am so glad I did.
It’s funny that you look at sales numbers as the big reason why it won. It’s almost like you’re clueless about the actual game. Put some time in the game. Give it a shot.
Oh I've tried it. My friends have also forced me into a coop playthrough. BG3 almost made me quit gaming to be honest. But I understand I am in the minority. If you love the game, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just not for me at all. As I said, I have a long list of gripes with the game that I could get into but I'd rather not go down that rabbit hole. This was meant to be more of an ironic take, and I wanted to highlight some of the objective reasons why I believe there were better games out this year. In any case, I appreciate the comment Joebeezy.
Saying BG3 "almost made me quit gaming" is the most ironic thing ever. Seriously? You would quit playing games entirely because of one game you didn't like? If it isn't obvious how biased your take is already that seals the deal. It's the game of the year for the majority, that's the point. I personally didn't play it, and I prefer spider-man and TOTK, but action and adventure games aren't the only thing people love, and Baldur's Gate 3 did things for the genre that revolutionized it.@@OttoResolve
The whole internet is against you bruh give it up
So the crowd speaks for you dude?
@@Old.RedFox I speak for me. It just so happens that other people agree because they played more than 1 game this year
for sure one of the yaps of all year
You’ve fallaciously made a qualitative argument/claim and called it “objective.”
What a joke.
Quality is always subjective, in fact any value claim is subjective, and by deciding to value the metrics you chose the way you did, you subjectively put it together.
Cope harder.
And actually learn what objectivity means.
Well, I mean, if you want to be philosophical about it, the notion of any objective perspective is impossible. But, I attempted as best I was able. I mean, what's not objective about pointing out that the majority of the people who bought the game didn't play it one third of the way through?
>quality is always subjective
if something has an objective goal, function or aim and quality is the degree to which it achieves that purpose, then there's an objective nature to it
if you build a car with square wheels and advertise it as a means of transportation, it's a bad car
but if you build a car with square wheels and present it as art then yeah maybe some people will consider it high quality, depending on what your goal is as an artist
not really defending this otto guy here though because bg3 is a beauty, but I feel you're unnecessarily salty
we sometimes need controversial opinions in this world.
people praised the hell out the witcher 3, and while its world and story are 10/10 its gameplay is shit and that deserves to be said. same with bg3s flaws
this is the most cringe take ive ever heard.
Poor guy... His starfield did not get the game of year award!
I just want to point out that the sales figures for bg3 come to about 21 million on Steam alone which I feel is actually more impressive than tears of the kingdom on switch given the wide availability of switch consoles versus pc users
BG3 had MANY studios saying they COULD NOT match the quality that larian provided, and to not expect it to be the new standard in the future. tears of the kingdom just added a battlebot simulator and a funny button that lets you combine 2 things. maybe go play baldurs before trying to trash it..?
/equips pitchfork and torch.
Lol! Keep your pitchfork and torch to yourself Wyvern you crazy lizard!
Its the only game this year I liked so for me it was goty. Dont really care about award shows though, I decide what is and what is not good for me, not others.
To be fair most games that came out this year were not finished. So... Yeah... It had like 1 maybe 2 real competitors.
If you begin your video with “popularity doesn’t make a game good” you shouldn’t then proceed to argue entirely on the basis of popularity. I would have genuinely be interested in criticism of the actual game, rather than achievement stats.
Yall actually giving this dude interactions for this dumb take is crazy lmao . Like why are y’all tryna convince him ? Just let him dumb.
Just want to throw it out there - ignoring everything else, I would consider Zelda being a single platform game a weakness, even if it sold well for it's limited platform. Personally, I've never been big into Zelda, and probably wouldn't have gotten TotK or BotW, but I also don't have a switch and am not tempted enough by those games to get one. Since it's not on other platforms, it limits who can play, even if it makes sense as a marketing tactic. People who do have a switch are also probably more likely to enjoy certain genres or game series that would draw them to the platform. It's like saying did FFXVI did really well comparatively even though it was only available on Playstation, a platform where Final Fantasy fans (like myself) may be more inclined to join.
Also, 10% of players not finishing the tutorial is actually a really good metric on steam, similar for the 4 long rests at about a 40% fallout rate! You can't just say a stat and act like it's really meaningful without significant context. Let's compare to Wartales for a moment, completing a contract (a pretty basic action in the gameplay) has been completed by about 85% of players. If you want a more equivalent player, like Dragon Age Inquisition, only 65% of players have finished the prologue on steam, or Fallout 4 where 83% of players have entered the wasteland. 90% is really good stat. The 4-5 long rests is also very, very subjective. It probably took me about 50 hours to get to my 5th long rest in my first playthrough because I used them as sparingly as possible. I think I was level 4 before Astarion bit me even.
bro i don't think you're looking at this objectively. sales #'s are not the only metric. i agree that Zelda's sales with the more limited audience are more impressive technically but IT'S FREAKING ZELDA!! a legendary IP and a sequel to one of the most popular games of all time the fact that it's even close is a huge for BG3. the fact a sequel of a 20 year old game in a niche genre is competing in the same ballpark speaks volumes to the quality of the game. I get the game is not for you maybe you don't love turn based combat, maybe you prefer more open world or a faster paced game maybe you prefer a more arcadey gameplay loop that's less focused on story and more focused on quick easy and more immediately measurable progression, and that is fine. But this game impacted the industry on a level no other game this year managed. You can say you don't like it, that it's not for you but to say it's not a quality game that made a huge impact is disingenuous. Everyone who bought Tears of the Kingdom knew exactly what it was going to be and so the only people who bought it were people who knew they were going to love it. BG3 came out of nowhere and a lot of people were experiencing this genre for the first time and some realized the genre is not for them, but for the people that this genre is for, most would consider this to be the best game in that genre to be released. As far as the drop off in the achievements you can see that across almost all major RPG games. Witcher 3 is one of the most popular games of all time and has a 25% completion rate and only 62% of players made it past the prologue. Last years GOTY Elden Ring only 67% of steam players made it past the first major boss Godrick. Most people do not finish these kinds of massive 100+ hour RPG's. Heck i havn't even got to the third act myself yet in BG3 and it's still my favorite game of the year, the fact that people havn't finished it doesn't speak to the games quality. I'm sure a lot of people heard the hype bought it and realized it's just not for them after doing the prologue so dropped it, that happening is not an indictment of the games quality in fact I'd say almost the opposite, it shows how far outside of what would normally be it's core audience it reached. The fact it didn't end up converting every one of them into long term players doesn't mean it's bad it just means some people who decided to give it a shot despite being a genre they don't like didn't end up being convinced... Many many people were convinced though. Don't get me wrong I loved Dave the Diver and Tears of the Kingdom both. In fact i think i might have more hours in Dave the Diver than BG3 but that's because it requires so little commitment and is the kind of game i can turn my brain off and just chill while i watch UA-cam or focus on other things. Everybody played Dave the Diver and they said "damn this game does a great job at being a fun chill game with a simple gameplay loop that i can repeat for hours" it did a phenomenal job of being what it set out to be and since what it set out to be was so simple there is not much criticism you can levy at it. nobody played Dave the Diver and had there minds blown at just how expansive and dynamic and epic a journey videogames could provide because it wasn't tryin to make people feel that. Metrics are not the only thing that matters, impact matters and i don't think anyone can reasonably deny that BG3 had the biggest impact on the industry this year.
TLDR: Tears of the Kingdom was a solid game everyone saw coming for years and that performed about as well as it was expected to, Dave the diver came out of nowhere Was a game that performed excellently in the metrics because it was very straightforward about what it was and it did a great job at being what it said it was going to be but was never gonna be a game that blew peoples minds. BG3 is a game that came out of nowhere blew even the wildest expectations and projections out of the water and will likely have a lasting impact on the industry moving forward. That is why it won.
You sound fun at parties 😂
The biggest factor that won it game of the year isnt sales, its the cultural impact and splash it left on the gaming community. In that respect its similar to Elden Ring Tears of the kingdom is a glorified breath of the wild expansion. Wartales is an ok indie game i guess but i couldnt stay with it long enough to finish it so will refrain from a definitive stand on it.
That's like saying Zelda Majora's Mask was dlc to OoT. Which it definitely was not. TotK is way more than a dlc bro. Either way though. The game awards are lame af anyways. Only internet vultures care really.
I don’t think TOTK feels like glorified dlc personally, but either way BG3 is still way more impactful.
@stasiatheo sex scenes having an impact. 🤦♂️
Nobody else did a bear sex scene because why the F would they do that? Look sex scenes is no different than when game tease a dog mechanic. It means they fell off. Lost ideas. No more creativity. So they resort to some of the 7 deadly sins. Which would be lust. Its easy to make and easy to make money off. Facts. Lol
BG3 is just lust. Steam has better hentai games. Just saying. Haha
@@momsspaghetti4064 I'm confused, I never said anything about bear sex scenes or sex scenes at all. The impact is the general enthusiasm and love for the game in the wider gaming community.
@grazak I didn't tag you mate. 😅
Just coming back to enjoy the riot that is this video and comment section lol
Lol. It is pretty wild.
Who and where said that the game of the year becomes the most sold game? (if there is some credible source that I might have missed please coment me one) And please give me the source of these sales numbers that you were talking about. (I can't see any official info about that also). Don't wanna be harsh or anything I just want the sources that you used for this video
Apologies @Rayoks. The BG3 sales numbers were reported by SteamSpy stats acquired by Steamdb.info and also by GamEFaqs. And Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom was reported by Statista. It's hard to find official numbers but I had hoped the numbers I used would at least be in the ballpark. Game of the year being equal to the most sold copies is what's called a strawman argument. Lol. This video was more of an ironic take and not really intended to be taken 100% serious. I thought that was fairly obvious with the thumbnail and the fact that I declared DAVE the DIVER (a game barely anyone has ever heard of) as game of the year. However, the butt hurt and fragile reaction of many of the BG3 fans indicates to me that there may actually be some veracity to my claim. In any case, thank you for the comment.
Looking at achiements on steam is also useless since using any mods disables them.
Dude you are assuming that they gave him game of the years for the copies sold? It sold because the love and quality they put on the game 😂. If you want to be "unique " for the sake of being unique but be objective dude. For example I personally hate RDR2 that game is boring AF but I recognize the quality and level of detail of the game and wouldn't be against any recognition against it. The community has spoken, that the point of democracy. Zelda is a re-work of the previous one.
This has to be a troll post.
ok Rag.....let's get to understanding why you formed your opinion. I'll probably disagree with you....and you do you man. You got some strong feelings on the matter and it aint your thing. But the game took on a beloved legendary franchise, exposed wrongs in the Gaming industry and is a legendary game for a CRPG. Your metrics don't measure players feelings about the game's innovative choices, great narrative and improves on DOS2 already stellar system. Heck it improved 5e itself! Hope my comment improves your algorithm rag....
I'll follow up on this video at some point. This obviously wasn't meant to be super serious. Honestly I made this video for Flint. Lol. Especially the thumbnail. There was a lot of cherry picking involved here. But if you want an idea about how I formed my opinion, the genesis of my thoughts on the topic are in my initial impressions video of BG3: ua-cam.com/video/20KpKpvyMD4/v-deo.html
As to Larian "exposing the wrongs in the Gaming industry", I would pause there for a moment. Yes, Larian has done some good, no micro transactions and what not. But, make no mistake, they're part of the same club. They're clearly using data collection to manipulate their audience, they released a game that was incomplete in order to get ahead of their competition, this game had a massive shill campaign, they shamelessly promote the premium edition of the game or whatever it was, and, there is a not so subtle political world view present in BG3 that one might even go as far to say is propaganda.
Leaving all of that aside, especially the political leanings (which, for me, break the immersion and make it impossible for me to get any enjoyment out of the game), it's really hard to go from a game like Wartales to BG3. One is game of the year, the other game of the century. Wartales is superior in every way except cinematics. When you play a game with endless depth you start to realize how shallow the experience is in BG3.
In any case, like I said, I'll follow up on this at some point. I appreciate the comment @Sesimie.
you were very much in the minority of people who didn't like it. Just because you have bad taste doesn't mean they "dropped the ball" also comparing Baldurs Gate to the barbie movie is a really stupid comparison imo, Baldurs gate did mroe than just sell well.
I don't think it's likely that you played Baldur's Gate 3 based on this video but it doesn't really matter to me. If war tales was your game of the year, then good for you. I have a feeling this video is likely going to drive a bunch of people bananas. Trying to measure the game of the year objectively is definitely a choice. Just remember that Baldur's Gate 3 being a fantastic game that won game of the year does not make any qualitative statements about any other games. You're allowed to have contrarian opinions but I think it's probably best to have the self awareness to realize those opinions are contrarian. The public sentiment was that this game of the year was inevitable.
who the eff liked this video?
Why did the algorithm feed me this mindless drivel? Is this an intentionally clickbaity hot take? I think there were a lot of great nominees this year but it was pretty clear to me who the winner should and would be right away. Even if you don’t enjoy the style of gameplay, it’s hard not to like the care and attention put into making the game and supporting the community.
Baldur's Gate 3 has (atm) 22m copies sold and 450,000 Overwhelmingly positive reviews. Come on man what are you really making a video about. comparing a few percentage points of negative and positive reviews, looking at steam achievements to try and make a correlation to people not liking the game. not everyone who buys games can play them non stop, most can't actually. and given that BG3 is co-op many people (MYSELF included) only play when their co-op friends are able to play as well. Only 24% of players have beaten the campaign for gta 5 does that mean its a bad game? Come on man, you don't like the game. that's fine statistically most people did, and from a sales perspective BG3 sold more copies than Wartales made in dollars.
This is the most wack, dense, smooth brained take. I hope i clicked off fast enough to not count as a view. BG3 was a crowning achievement in a genre of game that you dont like...
Well done with the clickbait title. (I didn’t believe anyone was dumb enough to argue truthfully because it’s real stupid)
You dropped the ball man, get real.
this just comes across as the person who wants to be edgy by disliking popular things because they're too cool to bandwagon popular things. when a game comes out that forces other AAA games to tell their audience "don't ever expect a game like that from us, larian studios is an anomaly," that game deserves a reward from the stupid ass game awards show. i do agree on your point that game awards in general is just a front for adsense and it's nothing but ads now (cutting off your award winners speeches to literally 15-20 seconds so you can fit in as much time for ads as possible is so fucking stupid) even if you dont like RPGs, DnD, narrative games, etc. the fact that they even continue to release giant 50gb-80gb updates of content for free instead of charging audiences $40 DLCs is, in itself, deserving of a reward.
also i aint gonna trust anyone saying they loved starfield's opinion cuz they just make up the audience of idiot casual gamers that let game companies get away with shovelware
Statistics be damned, AW2 was my GOTY. All the other games mentioned here are great (except Starfield; I like starfield, but I would be lying if I said it lived up to even half of its hype), but none of them come close to AW2.
But then again, I'm biased AF. As most of us are.
L take, contrarian to be unique and quirky
Baldurs Gate 3 won and should have won. Nuff said.
*Doesnt play the game through*
*Has an 18minute opinion on how the game doesn't deserve goty*
Makes sense.
Oh look. Here we have our fist hater.
Your wrong. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
You wasted all yourtime creating this.
Imo. Without breasts, dongs and sex scenes. This game wouldn't have gotten GOTY. Nope. I've been playing for years and was young once. Lol. I promise they sold ya'll nothing more than lust. All these excuses. Blah blah. As I said. I remember being young once. 😅
I think the game including things like ‘breasts, songs and sex scenes’ just adds to the immersion. With how much freedom the game gives you do to whatever you want, it only makes sense that the game gives you the option to run around naked or share intimate moments with other characters. You don’t HAVE to do these things and I personally knew nothing about these options before purchasing the game.
@@stasiatheo keep telling yourself that buddy. 🤣
@@stasiatheo BG3 imo is the most boring game I have played this year my dude. Turn based is seriously outdated and boring. Square Enix stopped turn based for a reason. It's boring. But if you toss in boobs and dicks in. GOTY right. 🤦♂️
Larian makes literally the same shit over and over. Reskinned bs but this time. Their game had sex. Wow. Impressive not.
Just a question : si scemo o mangi i sassi
He probably sucked and couldn't beat act 1 so now he's crying about it winning game of the year
go play fortnite
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Wartales😂 what's the second game genshin impact?? 😂