Kurt Cobain: Why I've Never Bought Montage Of Heck
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All these years of watching and reading anything that has to do with Kurt Cobain and I've never watched Montage Of Heck. In this video, allow me to explain why. I want people to be aware that this "documentary" was commissioned by Courtney Love, that those who actually grew up with him say it is taken out of context, and some even say stories are completely fabricated to follow along with the Kurt Cobain Suicide myth more for art and drama than anything based in reality. - Розваги
Kurt Cobain: He's the first person in history to have killed himself twice. Once with a needle and once with a shotgun... that Dylan bought for him.
No doubt. There's never been another case in Seattle of someone shooting up a lethal dose of heroine and then shooting themselves.
@@AmericanSpyFox yeah because you cant pull the trigger after that much heroin
@@shmegol1140 I'm so into this and this has deeply resonated with me my entire life. April 7 1994 is my first memory.
I personally think it was Kurt's april 4, you know, I've always been upset w the 5
However I feel whoever came and fucked him up did so before he would have slept
I'm so about helping...
@@okayspacewitch I honestly can't believe that most people think that he killed himself there is overwhelming evidence that he couldn't have killed himself
Like the shotgun shell was on the wrong side, he did a amount of heroin that would make it impossible to pull the trigger, and courtney love has lied and contradicted herself many times
I was pretty much obsessed with Kurt when I was a teenager and all through my 20's. I read and watched everything I could. So much so, that now when I hear his voice, it reminds me of my childhood and is more like hearing an old friend, makes me sad and nastalgic! (Hope that make sense and doesn't sound strange, lol). I agree with the majority on here about MOH. The interviews were all bullshit, but it was awesome to see his art and hear stories from him. From what I remember, there are a few videos of him seeming very happy, joking around and being what he was, a 27 YEAR OLD KID! Towards the end is super sad cause you see the H take over and he gets so skinny and is noding out more often. When I was 13, I thought 27 was so much older. But now that I'm more or less in my late 30's, I realize the "27 Club" was just a bunch of kids trying to figure life and themselves out! They were all so extremely talented and way too young to die 🖤
Well said.
I definitely feel the same way. 💙
same here im 43 now about 16 years older than 27 , i still feel the same way when i hear a nirvana song , he never really lived to be honest . it was wham bam then over , he should never have done what he did . he had money and could be doing art and whatever in peace.
It's crazy ain't it I was so young back then at that age
I feel like this as well , it makes me smile to hear him cracking jokes but also makes me sad cuz you get a sense of how young he really was I'm 39 almost 40 I remember the phenomena that was Nirvana it was like something so familiar yet so brand new fkn timeless and I feel the same way I did then it's like the big brother that's been gone forever but his voice and vision live on
I've only seen Montage of Heck a couple of times, but I still think it's worth a watch at least once to see his artwork and recordings.
@@dewilew2137 thank you 😊
King Buzzo and Dale are really good dudes.
Im honestly abusing my guitar in these times of corona
The crazy thing is, Black Flag was a very popular band in 1984, so I guarantee there was a photographer at the show Buzz took Kurt to. Wouldn't it be crazy if some old photographer has a photo of Kurt and Buzz in the crowd and does not even realize it!!
Why would a photo of them make a difference?
@@LordKreiden apparently you don't know I've been a Nirvana fan since Bleach. And I'm asking in the context of his post. Please take your negative energy elsewhere
I’ve been a fan since Bleach too. I was 11 when the album came out. I saw them twice live and met Cobain on the In Utero tour.
@@dylangajdosik964 Well that's great. I think Kurt's death and he himself is stuck in a time warp. He will always be 27 and he will always live in that decade. This to me is an inconsolable truth. All we can do is keep the man's dignity. We cannot control what Courtney and Francis does. As said, Dave and Krist did legally battle Courtney for years. They are the more reliable narratives
@@carriebalberg5478 it wouldnt . would be cool to see thou
I think Buzz takes hard stances for his disapproval of how Kurt is portrayed. But he doesn't hold back personal criticism of Kurt. That to me is a reliable narrative.
The stuff he is claiming is BS is stuff that came from Kurt's own mouth. Not once is the spoken word story presented as fact, even CL and Brett said they thought it was just a story. I don't get why people fixate on this one small animated part of the movie. Kurt even wrote it down in his journals. I don't think Buzz is lying, I just think he's looking at it the wrong way.
I agree 1,000%.
@@90sArchive Because the Charles Cross book presents at as literal and accurate.
@@wvu05 We're discussing Montage of Heck. What has Charles Cross got to do with this?
@@90sArchive He appears in _Montage of Heck,_ and he had planted the seed 15 years earlier that the story was real. Most people who watch the movie had probably already read the book.
Courtney did her best to really make Kurt look bad in MOH.
Bullshit that was reality
@@ariaacheson201 Exactly, these people are in denial hard. I think some things she lied about like their sex, her not cheating on him but him somehow knowing she thought about it ect. But I think she had to take care of him a lot and he wasnt the ideal partner at all and people only focus on her flaws and what she did when he did the same if not worse in my opinion (Like threating suicide a lot ect.) These people criticize MOH but like and watch soaked in bleach which is ironic since that was a fiction movie made to make money
It was shocking and fucked up to show him nodding out holding Frances, that should have remained private
Courtney has no part in the making of that movie
@@kl0udykl0ud55 i disagree. Kurt has been used to romanticize and mythologize heroin. It shows the reality of heroin addiction which is not a cool adventure it’s sad and pathetic. Plus there’s a myth of Kurt and the reality of Kurt. I think the movie is great in demythologizing him.
Think Buzz is mostly angry and sad with what happened to Kurt rather than jealous.
yes he does.
Really? I get a strong vibe of envy and bitterness from him
100% right I'm a big Melvins fan but buzz does come off like a little bitch though, that's why the internet sucks too much info
Watched it and it felt very intrusive and as a long time Nirvana/Kurt fan, I felt like I was betraying Kurt by watching this... haven't been able to watch it since.
True !
Yes it was like watching a lie!
Courtney painted herself as a good person when she isn’t
Unfortunately Kurt and his family are living off his fame. It's just how it went. I don't know what Kurt would have done if was still alive. We don't know what his inner circle was like. We can only rely on a series of characters who all have different motives about Kurt, his life and how his fame and money is being milked every day.
Sadly true😢
We know that Kristen Pfaff, Hole's bassist and part of Kurt's inner circle, wasn't interested in his money. She was actually anxious to get away from Seattle, back to her hometown in Minneapolis to rejoin with her underground band Janitor Joe, because she was unhappy and couldn't fit into the Seattle crowd. In fact, she didn't care about money and fame so much that she cancelled her contract with Hole/Geffen after Kurt died so she wouldn't have to tour with them. A lot of people think that Kurt would have ended up with Kristen if he had lived because she was a genuine person who cared about music and would spend 4-5 hours a day talking on the phone with him about their common interests. I can't think of anyone more trustworthy around him at that time. She died two months after him, with all the same people involved as with Kurt, down to the doctor who did the autopsy.
Are you saying his wife and daughter shouldn’t have gotten any money or control over music rights?
I liked the Kurt Cobain drawings and art come alive in the montage of heck thing.
Storywise, there might be a lot of things you won't like about it.
Kurt's mother made me mad in Montage Of Heck. I did enjoy the movie for the animations and a lot of Kurt's audio recordings I hadn't heard before, but it felt a little all over the place and too flashy in some bits. Courtney will certainly piss you off in this for sure, but I was more prepared for Courtney than I was for Wendy.
The interviews with Krist were nice 😊 it is still worth a watch, at least once.
“i never cheated on kurt” then you see that look in her eye smh
Uh yeah I agree.. Wendy pissed me off too.. like when she’s talking about how she hears kurts album and cries from because she “knows he isn’t ready for this” like lady shut up you wouldn’t even take in your own son
You wanna know about something ? Then take EVERY sides of the story in consideration ! WATCH IT !
John Michael Patrick exactly.
I agree
Nah he's closed minded. He wants Kurt to have been murdered. Sad really
@Gisselle ST The BS story is the conspiracy theory. Just a cashgrab
........🤦♂️I really don’t get why no one on UA-cam can spell, or use correct grammar.
I believe deep down Buzz means well. I also believe MOH is a bunch of bull. It was cool to see Kurt's artwork and hear the narration, but I think Courtney came out with that for retaliation for Soaked in Bleach.
I watched it as I can tune out Courtney's bullshit. I loved seeing Kurt, aged 2 sitting on a toy bike 1) waving to the camera 2) blowing a kiss to the camera 3) offering his biscuit to the cameraman. Told me what a sweet soul he was. I believe he was murdered 100%
You can't tune out Courtney's BS. She was very, very much part of it all. She couldn't be tune out when he needed her to be so we need to endure it as well. Something like that. Hope this is understood.
@@jjb2323 No. Do your research
@@jjb2323 ok
Too many things in the mix to believe it was suicide , look Kristen pfaff the police man that was killed, C L was a informer with S PD and many many more things that can’t be over looked,
@@jjb2323 you're entitled to your opinion. I think it was murder.
The common phrase from about all of the justice system is:
If you want to get away with murder, kill a junkie.
Also this film (Montage Of Heck) is made, when C. Love and people around her came aware, that T. Grant might release his investigation diary in the form of a film publication. Montage Of Heck got released nearly in the same moment, with big money and promotion, in order to corner off a publication by T. Grant.
It was in the works for over 4 years (maybe more im not sure) and Courtney had no control over the film. The director talks about it.
@@micnik3573 ' Courtney Love has not control' sure, that is what you have to say when you do a job in favor of Courtney Love. Hello hello. We're on planet earth. It's 2020.
Also Donald Trump has not dodged anything in his life. I mean, listen to him. He talks about it.
@@southwestbleach...and the Easter Bunny & Santa are coming for dinner Friday night. Stock up on the red & white wine's!!!
Buzz and Dale are great. If anybody has the right to share there feelings about Kurt
(good or bad) it would be them.
Great friends and went though alot together. I'm sure they hold alot of anger with Kurt when he got deep into dope. It had to be heart breaking to watch your good friend lose himself into hard drugs.
Its a well known fact when kurt got deep into drugs he cut the people that didn't do them or judged him for doing them out of his life.
"people want him to be suuicidal. How about that? They actually wanted him to be suicidal!" And guess what? A conspiracy is 2 or more people who conspire by coming up with a plan for good or bad to be implimented toward one or many people. We didnt plan for any of this that happened!. But if we "conspiracy theorists" go by your definition, and your opinion that there is no other possible scenario but suicide, you could also be considered a 'conspiracy theorist' yourself.
I believe that some of you just can't accept the fact that there is alot of evil, hatred, jealousy and greed out there in our world! Putting labels on people is stupid, simplistic and most often used incorrectly just to make a person's opinion seem more valid and reasonable when it is anything but. What is more reasonable is to open up your mind and stop labeling Kurt and others who do not agree with your opinion. Grow up please!
Your talking like Kurt had a lot of time to judge people!
Correction: Buzz took Kurt to a show during their "Slip It In Tour."
Got slip it in and my war, both killer 80s punk records
You misunderstood what Buzz says at the end of the interview at 4:01. He says: "I'm just SORRY that all those stories came about him first and not us." instead what you say at 6:53 (...that he is glad) - OMG please be careful when working with information. Didn't you hear the sarcasm?
Also the fact that Buzz was paid for the review rather indicates that he wanted to do a meaningful job not the otherwise and wraped it like he did. Melvins just really defend their dead friend there.
RIP Kurt Cobain
Karel Kočner
Agree. Melvins and nirvana are on the same team. Fans and inspiration for each other. Speculative stuff about it is not something even possible. Everyone should know that they each influenced the other. Melvins are possibly more of an influence on nirvana than the other way around.
@@HGZMO I know and totally agree. That's why I commented in the first place. Cheers :)
Great intro - good encouragement! Appreciate it. Also, Sir, you have SUCH a grunge energy like I'm right back in the 90s at school
ASF some notes for you. 1. Have not seen MOH myself, basically for the same reasons as yours. 2. Cobain was extremely gifted in building his own myth. You can read about that in a lot of interviews, especially in the era up to In Utero. 3. Many peers from the Seattle scene testfied this myth making quality. 4. Do not take Azerad's book as a reflection of the truth. 5. Once you know Cobain's tactics, question everything he ever said publicly. Literally Everything. 6. I do believe in the sincerity of him as a performer.
yesss, all of this. especially on Azerads book- when it came out and i read it, it was holy bible- even in the (near) years rereading it. Now, 35 years later,,, not nearly so much.
I love your videos thank you for all the hard work you put it to them.
I watched an Interview with the Director and Courtney as well as Frances. According to the Director, Courtney kept everything of Kurt's locked away in a "vault". The Director stated Courtney gave him the key and didn't try to take over the narrative. In the interview Courtney also stated some of the stories in Montage of Heck were indeed darker fiction Kurt would write in journals he kept. Courtney also stated the story about Kurt sleeping with the girl who was constantly made fun of was also fiction.
AmericanSpyFox. What really grabbed me in that interview with the Melvins is when he said ‘Whatever it was it was better than the truth’... that right there just grabs me, i mean what can actually be the truth... Was he murdered?.. Was he driven to kill himself because of Courtney Love... what? I honestly believe what he said, I think that’s why you never really hear from Krist Noviselic or Dave Grohl.. i think the real truth actually makes them really sick.
addiction isn't pretty or interesting honestly after a while. I think the whole thing became dark and chaotic and it must have been extremely bitter sweet too. It's a shame Kurt died. He was a huge influence on so many people.
yes I agree
Oregone definitely
i think the issue of a constantly misinterpreted Kurt Cobain and the issue of his actual death are two different fields. While about the interpretation side we all can have long and ideally constructive and fruitful exchange - the issue of his actual death is very short and physical: the official version of his death is false by evidence and proof. After all, the facts are in sum that it is scientifically impossible that he died by his own hand. And that changes also the interpretation of his as a mental health issued, weak person. // The problem is for once that the departments legally in charge, benefit from keeping the official version, and for twice that everybody who hears ''suicide'' first, it is hard to let lose of interpreting suicide into everything Kurt Cobain. // That is why it makes it such a controversial and ridiculously difficult case.
I think Kurt wasn’t a heroin addict. Articles right after his suicide quoting Courtney and Krist both state he wasn’t an addict and Krist said heroin was just a part of Kurt’s life. And in the Everett True bio Cali is quoted as saying Kurt was doing nearly as much heroin as people say he was.
I think Kurt thought Courtney was cheating and she heavily manipulated him, and he realized his life was a sham.
It was obviously made for money, they make him look suicidal the whole documentary and showed off his art and his most popular songs too much, and you know that kurt hated smells like teen spirit because of how much fame it got?well guess what song they played at the end of the credits?it shows how they didn't care much about kurt. Badass video btw, i always wanted to see u talk about this topic, keep up your good work.
The narrated animated part is really neat. He is extremely open and forward in these scenes. I enjoyed seeing that side of him and as you said, his type of humor!! 🙂 however, I also agree that this could just be a story he was writing or a project....we'll never know as long as CL is involved.😥
I really would like to see the case reopened but likely never will be. Fortunately, through mediums like this channel, we are getting closer to the truth. This channel makes it easier to form comprehensive and informed opinions and especially to those who are “on the fence”.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Noooo
I don't want the series to end!
I'm so addicted to your videos. You have to stay on this. At least, at least every once in awhile a Cobain update.
I haven’t watched Montage of Heck either. probably one of the very few things left that I haven’t watched or read about Kurt. Like you I’m put off by Courtney loves involvement. Great inspiring words about staying active in lockdown! I hope to see the video You made!
Thanks Spyfox! I've put off writing for years. Been thinking about it a lot lately but never make the time. Think I'm gonna break out the old notebooks and finish the many "books," I've started
New subscriber here. Really enjoying this channel bro!! Alot of work put in. I've been a fan of Nirvana ever since i was a kid. I still remember the first time seeing smells like teen spirit. I would of been 10 years old. I had never heard anything like that before. Im 39 now and still a big fan.
Also, have you read Kurt's diaries ? A great read, with all the insights you need to understand him !
I saw it when it premiered on HBO. I haaaaaaated it. Not only was all the illustration and art direction cheesy/irritating, but it definitely cast Kurt in a horrible light. I never could understand why Frances would throw her father under the bus like that. Years later I finally understood. Have you read Hank Harrison’s book, Love Kills? Of all the books I’ve read that one has the most in depth and revealing material. I mean he’s Courtney’s father for Pete’s sake. He does not hold back, and delves deep into understanding why Courtney is the way she is. Presents a different perspective on what went down. It’s so so so good. I think you can still get it on amazon. Please read it!!
there are so many remarkable details worth mentioning in the film Montage Of Heck and it's context, script and production, that it is hard to chose with which to start. // Watch the interviews in full lenght, which are on youtube and probably in the bonus titles of any copy of the film: the people interviewed all answer in a similar way, like they all have been asked the same questions, and been given the same inspirational suggestion on what to answer. For example: ''Tell us your memory of Kurt. And also try and remember one detail that pictures him as a fully normal human being.'' Now if you'd be interviewed and you hear such as this, it sounds alright and positive, i guess. We want to portrait this human as a human with faults and weaknesses, not as a god. Fully cool. Unfortunately not cool in this case, but shady and sneaky manipulative. The whole film tries to erase the outstanding, hard working, sane artist he was. And if you had been interviewed, and followed the inspirational, suggestive advice to remember something ''very human'' instead of something ''very god'' - you had done what happened here over the whole creation of the film: Kurt Cobain ends being pictured as a psycho. And this obviously fully conceptual, after the intention this film production was put on it's way - which was the aiming to ''talk about Kut Cobain'' , but actually to polish Courtney Love's legacy and state, to make sure world would believe she had a load to carry with this psycho - the poor hassled and caring wife - and thank her she was so caring, but she could ''not save him''. // ..Jesus Christ - anybody ever worked somewhere near the business of promotion, marketing and image psychology in big business - knows exactly what we are talking about here without even reading to the end. or otherwise: believe in Unicorns and the flat earth. // Courtney Love's most professional business was always to create an image of her's that she like the world to see - at any price. And here she uses Cobain estate money to do another big image creative, manipulative, professional move in the size of big business to the benefit of her major focus throughout her whole life. Successful. In this example, the product is Montage Of Heck. // Don't expect the film tells us anything about a human Kurt Cobain. And maybe quit believing in Unicorns, if you ever did. Even if they are beautiful to look at - in fiction books. When it comes to reality on planet earth, do yourself the favor and remain smart, and stay in reality. // P.S. If you'd want to know something about Kurt Cobain, you might want to leave the consumable, big money made, chocolate bar production, fiction character, family entertainment ''masterpiece'' Montage Of Heck to the side before you even start, and look at all other biographies and film documentaries with pre-caution too. Kurt Cobain was and is of the most misunderstood and misinterpreted artists of all time. Checking out material about him probably requires to view most of it, only to notice that they all create imagery in one or another way, and that they all have one or another scent of misinterpretation to them. Maybe use your own clear mind in an unstressed moment, and mind that this human has worked from a birthday gift of a musical instrument at teenage, for ten years in non-fame on about no-budget, through all odds including poverty to homelessness and an odyssey through rootlessness in terms of personal backgrounds, to create communicative art after a determined vision, with outstanding self-discipline and remarkable humane balance that everybody along the way remembers him for - to finally change our cultural landscapes. Next, go through some mathematics, statistics in numbers, such as the uncounted stage performances in the comparatively short time of only just over 2 years in fame, and maybe conclude that all this together is not achieved by just anybody, and surely not by mental health issues dominated character - as which over-challenged world loves to hold him pictured as - because it is so much easier and self-fulfilling to look down on such person than maybe to admit that at times we might as well need to look up.
Well said 👍
Try paragraphs.
the documentary is worth it for the animations of kurts drawings, the rare home video footage (especially the haircut scene) and for the "and i love her" cover. its also interesting to see kurts father being interviewed for the first time, even though his contributions are somewhat disappointing (suprise suprise).
Take montage of heck with a grain of salt. Basically it was Courtney's way of selling the suicide as opposed to the fact that Kurt Cobain live The Rock and roll lifestyle by destroying everything and having a blast while doing it!
What a stupid thing to say. Courtney didn’t even get to see the movie until it was finished. Plus every friend and family member says it was a suicide. Only people that didn’t know Kurt think it’s a murder
@@tylurmackinnon6217 False, in fact ALL of Kurt's closest friends (including his band) were really surprised at first when they found out it was a suicide. They never saw Kurt extremely depressed or suicidal. Also, his best friend Dylan Carlson (one of the last people that saw Kurt alive) told that before his death Kurt was totally fine and he even seemed happy.
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Did you ever get around to seeing "About a Son?" It's really interesting and intimate. Pretty much overshadowed entirely by Montage.
Ironically that mainly consists of Kurt talking. Which is the part of MOH that Buzz is criticising, the spoken word story from Kurt's own mouth.
@@90sArchive There is no irony in that, it was taken from interviews. I thought it was great. I don't know what his fat girl story was all about, he told a lot of stories.
@@krisfrederick5001 The ironic part is the fact that both are directly from Kurt's mouth yet people call MOH bullshit for some reason.
@@90sArchive I know, I heard it too. People call Montage bullshit because of the narrative. Presumption of suicide.. Now the story about the girl being bullshit is from buzz, who the hell knows what reasons he has to say that. He knew Kurt better than either of us.
@@krisfrederick5001 Yeah but obviously any legitimate documentary about Kurt is going to go with the suicide verdict.
The weirdest statement in Montage of Heck that didn't fit the story was Courtney saying that Kurt took a lot of pills because he loved her so much and she was just thinking of cheating on him, didn't even tell him... It's a narcissistic statement and it just doesn't sound true. I am sure the reason was something else.
i think it was hard for buzz to have worked so hard at making it just to watch the kids who used to carry his gear sell millions of records. the melvins have written some amazing songs but you have to search them out, they never made it to the radio like nirvana and sound garden and alice in chains did. they wer all mentored by bands that never saw the success that the kids they mentored did. who knows maby he thought it was unfair and unjust to get glossed over and outshined by the kids who started out carrying in his gear?idk i was never a big melvins fan until i saw them live and they had two drummers and 2 bass players and it was amazing and ive ben a fan ever since! unlike nirvana witch i was a fan of as soon as i heard teen spirit at age 12 in 1992..almost 20 yrs later i discover the melvins..
I like it how you add strange little facts and information to your videos.
We have Dave and Krist who sued Courtney for years about Kurt's likeness, and putting him on various platforms. The guitar video game, the box set.
Everyone handles things differently. My first girlfriend was killed in a car accident years ago. When I found out, I was crushed. Others in our group of longtime friends and family, all but one, didn't even want to talk about it. Another friend/co-worker was killed by a semi while walking home. I cussed her up one side and down the other, still do, but that doesn't mean I didn't care about her as a friend.
I suspect Buzz isn't really that pissed at Curt, but may be pissed at everything surrounding it all. He's probably just as in the dark about some things as anyone else. Maybe even feels a little guilt in some strange way. Conjecture on my part, but like I said, everyone handles situations like this differently. I don't think Buzz is lying, just handling it his way.
we love that Buzz comes clear at the most central point: such as Montage Of Heck is another big bully-down-Kurt-Cobain campaign item, and > ''Kurt is not here anymore to defend himself'' ** < - (( so world seems to feel free and great ongoing - to keep bullying Cobain down by inventing one after the other new drama fiction on him, deleting the legacy and achievements of one of the most outstanding artist of our time)) !! That** comment by Buzz says all to us, and we love him for it.
I've watched it. Its 100% Courtney's movie. Parts will make you mad, but there are some cool parts.
Courtney had no part in making the movie
It’ll make you mad. The “documentary” is just a Courtney-approved version of reality. Wendy’s interviews are bogus, I can’t believe his own mother doesn’t tell the truth. The Kurt recording could be true, but I could easily see it being a made-up story that Kurt recorded. I think Buzz defends Kurt against all the BS that’s out there about him, but that doesn’t mean that Buzz doesn’t have his personal criticisms about his friend Kurt.
Must admit hearing his mother it is so painfully obvious that there was not much of a relationship there. She totally doesn't know him and just relied on Courtney Love's, info on him just to make that interview. To me it's just sad beyond words
Jacky Young it makes me disgusted. That’s her son. Her child. Like WTF. No one is standing up for him at all. He can’t rely on his own mother. It’s sad, but gross.
Are you saying you were friends with Kurt and were there? Because clearly you know him better than his wife... based on what? Conjecture? Conspiracy theories!
Talk to dylan to make a movie. He knew him the most. I really think Cali and Jessica are the ones who helped carry out his murder. Courtney convinced them that miners won't do bad prison time if caught...
I've avoided Montage like the plague. Not sure if I ever want to see it.
It's worth watching, make the judgement yourself and at least then you can say you've seen it and liked it or didn't like it or didn't see was the fuss was about etc 👍👍
Nirvana is my all time favorite band. Melvins are one of my favorites as well. IMO Buzz and Dale didn't envy Kurt's success at all. Buzz is very cut and dry and very straight forward with everything. Dale played on numerous Nirvana tracks, played live when they needed a fill in. He played on the Fecal Matter tape. Nirvana and the Melvins played shows together (obvious). The Melvins were even on some of the final dates of the last tour Nirvana did. What I think Buzz is trying to get across is that no matter what they say, no one will take their word for it. Melvins are underground still to this day. Nirvana is a cultural phenomenon. Also, as a close friends, Buzz and Dale have every right with their options. When they were recording their major label album "Houdini" Kurt was the co producer. his drug addiction was interfering with the recording so they told him to get lost (which I feel any person would do when it came to their career, etc.) And as for "Montage of Heck" for any fan of Nirvana or Kurt it's something to watch, but it is definitely a film that isn't reliable with it's sources or stories. The director is a dickhead and you can tell any little detail that would stir up any type of controversy he was all about throwing in. Watch it for sure, but there is not much to gain from it whatsoever. Looking forward to the final video in the Nirvana series! keep doing what you do man!
What happened to your original video about people being jealous of Kurt (especially Buzz)?! I really would like to see it again. Thanks for all the great videos. Best wishes to you and your family. 😊
I liked the content in montage of heck, the home videos, demos and other things we’ve never seen before but a lot of the story is wrong as Courtney was involved, About a son is probably the closet we will get to a true biography story I think, as it’s recorded calls of Kurt telling his life,not Courtney.
And the spoken word story that Buzz calls BS is from Kurt's mouth. Kinda hypocritical
I’m watching this again. I think if your a fan of Cobain you would love to see his childhood footage/art! Who wouldn’t right!
Great piece Fox I have a feeling your a drummer 😉 me too,! Stay safe
Isaac Newton invents Calculus while isolated.
Shakespeare writes Romeo and Juliet.
ASF makes a video about Little Peep.
frances said she was too drugged at the time they made montage of heck to have a hand on it. She just put the money and gave the authorizations.. most probably
What animosity ,man ? Buzz was (perhaps ) the last person Kurt shared a serious conversation with about his personal life (circa his last shows: Munich - Germany ) when they had Melvins as the opening band .
Buzz told him to " run" literally , to "leave her everything and run , play a few solo shows " ( This is a direct Buzz quote from that conversation in Munich btw - google it if necessary ) .
Buzz was very aware of the dangerous predicament his friend was in. Buzz is withholding a LOT of personal information concerning Kurt ,to this day , if anything .
Plz watch it it's goood interviews with his family too xx
Newton didn't have a family, he was a lifelong bachelor.
Buzz says it how he sees it and was the main influence for Kurt to become a rock star and Kurt wanted to be in a band like the Melvin's and why he struggled with his fame but buzz is happy to be in a band that is the kind you find from someone who has one of their records or you find it on line looking for cool bands.
For a woman who is always out of it, it’s surprising no one has gotten her to confess. The practice handwriting sheet alone should get at least a civil trial.
yeah honestly surprised too, i for sure think Courtney had something to do with his death. she may not have pulled the trigger, but why would she be practicing his handwriting?
Watch it! It’s an absolute must watch for any Kurt Cobain fan...then u come up with your own conclusion. Some great stuff in it
You make a great point.
About a son I think is the name is all narrated by Kurt.
my favorite
If i see Dale Crover in anything about Nirvana i believe it.
Can you feel my love, Buzz? Can you feel my love Buzz!!!!?
we think Buzz hates that Kurt had connected to heroin - we think Buzz wishes Kurt had not left this world dead untimely, but had WON against all odds and against the pricks of the industry and mainstream too
I liked montage of heck if you can withstand it’s artistic style it’s really good. I didn’t take what the film says literally. In fact I don’t think it said much that hasn’t been said already, it’s just interesting found footage and animation. Ps the stuff in Kurt and Courtney’s flat is super weird. Especially considering Courtney’s ex. boyfriend filmed their sexy tape which the film shows the start of. Besides that it’s a good watch for nirvana fans but I wish they hadn’t cut Dave from the film.
he really did?
- and a mother who says ''You are not prepared for this'' is a mother who is nerved she even has kids at all. A real Mother - always!! - says: YOU CAN DO THIS. (!!!).
I just got this album for Christmas today
A bit off topic but the play Shakespear wrote whilst in isolation was King Lear.
Gained a lot of respect for this Channel. Thanks for the great content.
Yeah I think you got it right about Buzz towards the end.
yes we think Buzz even loves to be the full-on awkward weirdo, that's his balance weight to keep him some feel-ok, living in this ill world we live in, Fat Mike of Nofx has a similar drive keeping the world in a distance to himself by just being awkward as a guaranteed standard
Is the last episode going to mention anything with Kristen Pfaff
When I was a kid I was always being punished and locked in my room so that was when I learned to play guitar and let me tell you I didn't mind getting punished all that much
I got a skeletonwitch shirt compliment while in the parking lot of the Viper Room in L.A.
Definitely check the doc out, it's not the most fantastic thing but it works
Write your Wills
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I was there, I saw Nirvana live in all their stages, as a child, but yes you called them jealous, and I don't believe Buzz was sober and that he didn't try to OD him, for his self promotion.
Like I said, I was there, and so was my dad. We saw Paul McCartney for $250, but we saw Nirvana for $14, for the last time at UNO Lakefront, the happiest day of my life, until the birth of my son, in 96.
I love conspiracies, but at the same time, I'd rather believe Kurt had enough, and took control.
I love you spyfox, but I bought all the magazines. I heard Kurt say he was going to kill himself. I remember, before cell phones, I walked off the school bus, to dozens of messages from friends, but especially my girlfriend who was crying for me, just after the Rome OD, April 8th, Kurt Loder in tears, while I said "We all saw it coming, just a matter of when". I love conspiracy theories, I've lived with this for 25 years, but In the end, I just want to believe that all these jealous nobodies, hurt him, and took matters into his own hands, love you Spyfox but we all saw it coming..
sadly, yea, this was a when, not if. if you came up during this timeframe most ppl saw it coming.
Amen. I think Montage of Heck was true and full of facts. Kurt absolutely killed himself, it's in his lyrics, it's in his journals. People that didn't grow up at that time may not realize that. These "new fans" grew up in the internet age and they've always heard the conspiracy theories about Kurt being killed. I don't believe one word of it. And love or hate his wife, Courtney was his wife, she is the mother of his child, and they were deeply in love, you can tell when you watch the movie. I'm like you. I grew up watching Kurt on MTV, Alice in Chains, and all these other mega-depressed bands. Their music was basically a soundtrack to a slow death, and I loved it anyway. Nothing wrong with that. But, yes...it is absolutely clear what happened to Kurt, and the last people to see him (Duff Mckagan included) have always said that Kurt was at the end of his rope.
i like that knitted look polo shirt you rocking
There’s a lot of cover up behind Kurt’s death someone was present when it happened he definitely was silenced and it’s sad over bs but things I believe will surface and there’s going to be a lot of answering to do !
Nope nothing will surface.
Just FYI, in Montage of Heck, the infamous "retard fucker" story was narrated by cobain himself. It was obviously a recording of a story he wrote. My first impression was that it was fictional and meant to be edgy. He sounds young in the recording. Despite anything else, you should still take a look at "Montage". I especially enjoyed seeing the old home videos and recordings of kurt as a little kid, and seeing all his drawings going all the way back to age 7. Once courtney enters the story it does become a lot harder to watch, I'll say that. I think it was well done all in all though.
A version of Old Age I came across sounded like Kurt had knew exactly how his last moments would pan out. Scary. Totally sounds like it was the last recording 1 hour before his death but no it was a work in progress "1 more hour I'll meet my servants" he was not missing. I totally had my mind mk ultraed. April 4th 1994 me and 2 friends who were into the high school age music scene guitar player friend Brian and his girl in the we spent April 4th tripped balls In a small cabin on the Ocean near Newport RI Like you said about the title of The Greateful Deads name an anagram about acid that was used in the name of mind expansion had been used threw out history. It just was not a cool thing to do until gen Xstarted going bananas with it. All that lifestyle comes with a big consequences WALK THE WALK. I became an addict after kurt died Heroine was everywhere and I fell for the trap hook line and sinker.. It took 13 serious rehab experience before I really got tired and quit. Sad but true.. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK
Okay, I may get hate for this but oh well.
I personally liked Montage of Heck. Didn’t exactly like Courtney at the end of the documentary because you can tell she’s lying and stretching the truth, BUT I also liked how it showed Kurt’s other side that a lot people didn’t know.
In my personal opinion, I think that we all glorify our idols and forget that they’re people too.
Lauren Padilla I agree, it didn’t totally “defame” him. At least to me, it opened my eyes to another perspective of Kurt that isn’t the “depressed” image the media makes him to be.
Of course, still taking that same documentary with a grain of salt just like all documentaries/biopics about celebrities without the celebrity being their to direct it.
There*
I don’t trust his parents’ narration of him either, though.
Free_spirit Jordan Lindsay Burman Even after Kurt’s passing he’s not owning up to his part in the relationship. Sad, honestly.
Lauren Padilla agreed 100%
I was lucky enough to have seen this premiere at SXSW. Huge theater. BLARING. Even if you don't buy the narrative, it's a must see for a fan of Kurt's music and art.
I got maybe 10 or 15 mins in because of curiosity; and I couldn’t finish. I felt dirty. I remember this, it’s literally my earliest memory of the tv and my mom on the couch.
Everything I have read since has just confirmed I made the right choice by not soiling him what so ever. I know he didn’t kill himself, hopefully someday we really find out.
Montage of heck? What do you mean your earliest memory? That movie came out only 7 years ago
I watched a video on Amazon about the drummer from Hole. It's a must see and will change your mind about Courtney Love(If it hasn't been turned yet)
Yes Agree, it shows events from a very interesting angle. I recommended it to A.S.F I hope he will watch it one day soon
how do you think it will change his mind about C. L ? Most likely it will reinforce what he's already thinking
@@auroraborealis6398 yes, that's true. I guess I was over hyping the movie a little. But, for the subject matter, it doesn't put CL in a good position. At least as a human being.
@Diana Moore I really wish I knew that part. I watched it while i was doing laundry. It's a documentary if that helps with this rabbit hole.
I dig the beard
The voice is taken from an interview w Kurt. It also has some good home footage of him and Courtney. Don’t know how much is true tho. Some weird childhood stuff is brought up and I don’t know how true they were.
Sort of funny that Krist N. is basically calling Buzz an idiot "oh there goes Buzz again.....But we love him even though he's got these wacky ideas."
just curious...does anyone here know where in the film Dale's parents appear?
He’s not wrong that Kurt’s beauty helped him to become famous: we all respond to how handsome he was, it’s part of how we perceive people.
my shortest comment on Montage Of Heck is: the teams working for Courtney Love advised to steer against the expectable Documentation Soaked In Bleach. ''We need to do some work now: let's create a film that will corner Soaked In Bleach, will be accepted and adopted by the mainstream audience and media alike, and will picture Kurt Cobain in the way it let's look Courtney Love as good as it only can. The result of this concept is Montage Of Heck. It does not tell about Kurt Cobain. It tells about what you just read.
I saw Montage of Heck a few years ago, it's worth it only because his parents and sister are interviewed and you see how they behave, and hear their answers. I don't remember seeing or hearing about them before that. The rest made him seem like a dark, sick person. After watching this, I saw a live interview with Courtney and the director or producer or whatever he was, and the interviewer called his mom narcissistic. Courtney pretty much agreed without saying, but I saw nothing narcissistic of her in the interview. She keeps up her looks for her age, but not sure if that's narcissistic of her? Anyway it just seemed that she probably prompted that guy to call her narcissistic.
Watch buzz Osbourne tries to buy a house with street cred. Hilarious. Buzz took kurt to see black flag which changed Kurt's life. I would never say buzz is jealous. I think the anger is at seeing someone he cared about be exploited. I forget the name of the video where buzz says he told kurt to give the nirvana rights to courtney and hide out in Europe. Montage of heck is good. Worth the watch
I like Buzz. He's caustic for sure, but generally honest. I think his feelings are real about a friend that goes way back before even Olympia and definitely before the fame.
We seem to need a certain narrative on Kurt as this haunted artist.
Also it needs to be said that some people need the narrative...of some kind..and that includes both Buzz AND Krist. I've noticed a tendency for all involved to reflect the Kurt they wanted him to be. He was a complex guy. I do think Buzz sticks to facts as much as anyone and doesnt go with the hype. He might have seen through the BS while Kurt was still alive....the marketing and the image.
Jealousy? I don't know. Buzz says in essence on interviews..."who would want THAT? To end up being dead?" And I believe him.
To me it strikes as genuine feelings over a lost friend.
listen to the album Ozma by melvins it's great loud and off the walls
Hell yeah
It’s a good watch it you take it for what it is. Sections with his mum, sister and Krist are good and interesting. Courtney’s section is more her revealing how much of a heroin addict he became and paints her in a “good” light (shock horror) the animated and narrated sections are writings taken from his journals - so make of them what you will - but it’s cool.
Like I said. It’s a cool watch for a real nirvana fan....because a real nirvana fan can decipher what’s credible and what’s fabricated for entertainment value.
Enjoy!
I don’t think the negative things buzz has said about Kurt are as serious as you think. They were boys from their teens. Buzz also knows very well that the melvins aren’t a commercially viable band. They’ve had enormous success and have a very big fan base. 1000% buzz said the same things to Kurt when he was alive. Great friends can bust each other’s chops.
How ur glasses change. Magick!!!